Steve,

I have to be honest here -- this mom and Casey Anthony scream my own sister -- in fact my parents went in for psych eval to get my sister tested. The shrink mentioned that my sister sounds completely sociopathic -- she also lives in pretend la la land like Casey Anthony -- my parents are currently raising my niece. I am telling you these girls need help.

I would be happy to try and explain from my viewpoint about these types of girls if anyone is interested.

Steve,

I have to be honest here -- this mom and Casey Anthony scream my own sister -- in fact my parents went in for psych eval to get my sister tested. The shrink mentioned that my sister sounds completely sociopathic -- she also lives in pretend la la land like Casey Anthony -- my parents are currently raising my niece. I am telling you these girls need help.

I would be happy to try and explain from my viewpoint about these types of girls if anyone is interested.

Grandma is saying it was a "drunken accident" whatever that means.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=126842664&blogID=436931273

Yeah. For all we know, there's some truth in that. But didja notice that grandma also wrote that Karrae "is in jail and will probably be there for a very long time"?

Accidents don't always net you lots of jail time.

As an aside -- Karrae's mom is MY age. Damn. Forty is indeed old enough to be a grandparent. Just got spooked by that.

Actually, Steve, while 40 is old enough to be a grandparent, the really spooky thing is that it usually means there is someone out there who is too young or too immature to be a parent raising a child. Naturally, I don't mean that only young parents abuse or off their children.

It is too easy to blame the media, for its glorification of celebrity teen mothers, or some of our politicians, whose total inflexibility on sex (abstinence only, anti-abortion, against financial aid for single mothers) encourages girls to have babies when they are too young to handle the responsibility, but geeze Louise it is sure tempting.

Ill i have to say to all of u. Is that u dont know Karrae or Bianca so u have no right to say anything about either one of them. I loved Bianca and Karrae. Karrae was my foster sister. She would have never done anything like that drinking or not. I was just over there the night before that and everything was normal. Bianca was a happy bouncy three year old like normal. Askin for money's cause i didnt go to her birthday party. Telling my friend to get outs of her house and goes home. That kid was my life and i love her and her mother to death. And i dont like it much when people that dont even know them say shit like that thats just pisses me off. Bianca nicole Starr will be missed so very much. But i do know in my heart that karrae did not do this.

I have known karrae since like the 5th grade.
We hung out all the time.. She found out she was pregnant with bianca in the 8th grade and she was so completly happy.
I had never seen her so happy. I agree with the lady above me.
YOU DO NOT KNOW KARRAE. Shes not that type of person.
B was her world.

yeah i agree i am karraes brother and if any of u people have a problem with my sister then take it up with her loved ones because u reatards who like to talk about people who u dont even are gettin on my nerves because u did not even kno her and there is kno way karrae could have killed my niece that girl was her whole world and im stickin by my sister till the end

Don't be an idiot and try and post two comments in a row while acting as though you're two different people. That's pretty obvious to anyone running the blog and it gets your comments deleted in nothing flat. Talking shit at people because you're mad is fine within certain boundaries, but trying to post different messages while pretending to be different people is called trolling and won't be allowed.

Steve,
Karrae is my daughter and I do not appreciate you calling her a monster. You have NO idea what that girl has been through in her life. Our family know her and we know that in her right mind Karrae would have never done this.
Also who ever Soobs is needs to identify herself and talk to me directly if she wants to know more.
I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.
Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual...are you jealous that she wouldn't give a guy like you the time of day?
People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn't mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.
Sincerely,
Karrae's MOM

Steve was not judging her sexuality, I happen to know that he is very open minded about such things. I also know that he is married to a woman he is very happy with. I understand you are making those comments because you are upset.
Readers of this blog come here to try to understand why murders and other crimes happen-- we try to understand the type of people who do these things. If she didn't do it we would be happy to hear that.
Deirdre, are you saying that it is the state's fault that Bianca is dead because they did not take her away from Karrae? It sounds like Karrae was in foster care too as a child, which makes me question why you think you would be a better parent than she was. This is very tragic and I am sorry for your loss, however pointing fingers at everyone else is not going to help anyone.

I too have followed Steve's writings and I have to say, he calls 'em as he sees 'em.

For Karrae's "family" to lash out at anybody OTHER than Karrae is ludicrous.

Karrae was old enough to make choices, be it to drink or not, do drugs or not, or take care of Bianca...or not.

We teach our children early on to flush the potty, tie their shoes, clean their plates, and so on. There is nobody to blame for Bianca's death but Karrae, if she did something that caused her death.

Blaming others is exactly what mothers like Cindy Anthony are doing, and now what Karrae's mother is trying to do.

Mangement said this was the same person posting twice. Wrong one was myself and the other was my boyfriend tim. Karrae IS NOT A MONSTER. Don't judge people unless you know them. Karrae loved and adored Bianca. I don't feel anyone is lashing out at anybody all you seem to care about is yourselves. Get your story straight and check your facts. You don't know what Karrae's life was like or what she was thinking at the time she posted her blogs or her headline. I'm sure that if you look at all the teenage girls myspace pages they would be very similar to Karraes. Management check the email addresses you would have seen one was me and one was my boyfriend. So there was and is no trolling. I'm not blaming anyone for Bianca's death I do not know all the facts. All I want is for people to stop for one moment in their self-absorbed lives and think about what the family is going through and what her friends and those who knew bianca are going through and honor and remember Bianca. She was a beautiful, sweet, intelligent, and energetic little girl. When you post your comments think about what does to those who knew Bianca and Karrae. Think about what it does to the family.

I respectfully have but one thing to say regarding the suggestion by "Someone who knew them both" to "get the story straight and check the facts."

Karrae is being charged with 1st Degree Murder for smothering her daughter by putting her hand over little Bianca's nose and mouth...

As a typical member of our society, an average citizen, I certainly am not self-absorbed, but heartbroken.

Absolutely heartbroken for Bianca, the little girl and victim in this case. Not Karrae.

It also needs to be pointed out what Bianca's own grandmother (Karrae's mom) said, in her own words, on her Myspace blog. Soobs posted the link upthread, but I copied and pasted:

Monday, September 29, 2008

Bianca grandma loves you
Current mood: crushed

My world came crashing down yesterday. My beautiful Grandbaby was killedaccidentally by my daughter who made a very stupid drunken decision. Now not only have I lost her but Karrae too because she is in jail and will probably be there for a very long time.

God how could this have happened? All she had to do was call and someone would have been there to get Bianca. Instead of planning for a visit with her i am planning her funeral. Is God punishing me because I loved her above all else in my life...she was my world. I will miss her so much.

10:43 AM - 2 Comments - 0 Kudos - Add Comment

Wow, all the low life relatives trying to justfiy the murder of a child. You were at fault not the state, for not taking care of your basic responsibilities as parents. Your daughter gets pregant in the 8th grade??? How sick is that. Bad parents usually turn out dysfunctional kids.
Any books in your home? Did you encourage her to do well in school and go in for extracurricular activities and join the PTA? I didn't think so.

If she was such a great mother, why was Bianca taken away the first time and why did "grandma" think she would be a better parent than Karrae? Obviously something was going on. The system isn't to blame. If Karrae killed Bianca she is to blame and she should be punished to the max. Little Bianca paid with her life and so should Karrae.

I do not think the state will be on trial for suffocation of a baby.

Thanks Steve for saying it like it is (as usual.) And a big hello to Soobers!

Lord, they certainly come out of the woodwork, don't they? First, "the system" didn't kill that baby - apparently her mother did. Take SOME freaking responsibility. I understand that you may be in a lot of pain - who wouldn't be in pain when a 3 yr old darling child such as Biana is murdered? But stop trash talking on blogs (it's juvenile and ridiculous, given the fact that you aren't going to "beat" anyone up over it.

Monster - what would you call someone who smothered a baby? YOUR family baby? If it had been anyone else who did this, you'd all (hopefully) be screaming for their head. Yeah, raising a child is difficult - which is why it's better to wait until you are more mature, to enable yourself to handle it better. And there's always adoption, if you find yourself in a situation that you can't handle. But....people think it's their RIGHT to have kids...and fu*ck their RESPONSIBILTY to the actual child.

Your daughter/sister/friend IS a monster in this instance, for taking the life of her child. Don't like it? Take it up with her.

Nurse!!!!!!!!! (((Smooch))))

I am beginning to understand why Karrae was so screwed up that she would actually murder her own daughter. Judging from the families statements Karrae grew up without having to take responsibility for anything because whenever something bad happens it is always someone elses fault.
Keep in mind that Karrae was put into foster care as a child so obviously her mother was not equipped to properly take care of her and Karrae was taken away. Her idea of family values and parental responsibility was no doubt shaped by her own expeirences.
And judging from the grandmother's statements Karrae's mother didn't have much of a chance either - just the cycle repeating itself.

If you people want to pretend like Karrae who held her hand over Bianca's little mouth and nose while Bianca struggled, kicked, squirmed trying to get air because the one person she trusted was murdering her and held her like that long enough for little Bianca's lungs to blow out spewing her own blood and tissue all over her murderous mother then blame yourselves. You enstilled values, morals and responsibility into Karrae as her family members and obviously did not do a very good job.
Karrae is being charged with 1st degree murder for a reason. The reason being she murdered her daughter. Your neice, nephew, grandaughter, great-daughter died a horrible agonizing death because her mother sat there for 2-4 minutes with her hands over Bianca's airways. THAT is not an accident.

From grandma's myspace this morning...
Thursday, October 02, 2008

Biancas Funeral

Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace

8:46 AM

I'm sorry folks, but this looks like a start to their murder defense, blaming the dr's and the system for Karrae's "bi-polar disorder and bad meds". Regardless of her issues, no one ever has the right to smother an innocent child to death.

Bipolars are impulsive - doesn't "suddenly" make them murderers, unless they are predisposed. They will drink to self-medicate - but if the grandma knew that, why wasn't SHE looking out for the baby?

OK, i know good and well if this was ur guy's family or friends u would be doing the same thing we are by sticking up for someone we love. Before u talk about people being monesters and deserve to die ur Judging. Judgment is a sin. I know Karrae didnt do it. Everyone that knows Karrae knows she didnt do it. All i have to say is wait till the court date she WILL BE PROVEN INNOCENT. and even if she isnt proven innocent. I KNOW THAT SHE IS. Bianca was a buitfull little girl. But for u people who dont even know her or her mother or anyone else. U can go to hell for calling karrae a monster u people are the monsters. saying stuff like this.

About Karrae’s mother, who is so quick to come to her defense—obviously she is doing so to abate her own responsiblity in this……to ease her own conscious, Karrae herself was failed, and now up rises the mother of the year….thinking;

“here is my chance to prove I am a good mother….look at me, look at me….look at what I am doing"…….Karrae herself was in and out of foster care, pregnant at 14, and I would venture to guess her “mother” still doesn’t have her own act together.

2. AGAIN if this situation turns out, as described above, I would take on any adult….that said, my anger is tempered here. Karrae’s own rocky upbringing, in foster homes and obviously dysfunctional family provides the temperature control on my emotions.

As we grow, we learn…we receive “tools” from parents, family, the world around us….these tools help us to cope, provide the right answers, make decisions, give self control……obviously Karrae’s tool box was empty….as was her childhood world.

I am not saying she holds NO responsibility here….simply, that if she isn’t given the proper tools, and the coping skills, self control, and need for right answers, she isn’t equipped….not that she didn’t know right from wrong….just that in that moment….the empty toolbox…failed her…..

If she was drinking that hampers it further (although I bet she started drinking after the incident)….however and whatever Karrae’s mental state at the time, she obviously didn’t have the tools needed……That responsibility glares hatefully at Karrae’s mother…..

I would suggest and believe that Karrae loved that baby,Bianca, probably more then she thought possible…..she was doing the “right” things…finish school, further education….however, in this case….it seems to me that without a solid base by which to pattern herself, it was only a matter of time……she needed the basic tools of life, and when she reached for them, they weren't there.....

Lot’s of “I”s in Karrae's mother's statement, it is all about HER…(she how she capitalizes MOM at the end)..and damn if the rest of the world has just ALWAYS been against her….she is justifying everything, blaming everyone, never once holding up the mirror to her own failings…….then when all else fails, come out swinging….

”Poor me….poor self sacraficing me….I will single-handedly save my daughter (you know the one I didn’t raise, who had such a hard life)…..I am a hero, you all thought I was a POS, no look I really DO care……..the state…it’s their fault….what???………not working, okay…….Steve….now you really pissed me off……look….I must love my daughter so much…..look how mad I get….(same mentality of those defenders who come to this site…..)…that proves I love my daughter……BTW…I am not insane, and none of this is MY fault……none of it at all….what a horrible world this is….always beating me up…..I try and I try…….blah…blah….blah…blah” (end quote)

Komak I love it. You have it the nail on the head.

Sorry Bianca suffered at the hands of her mother. Family how can you expect us to think of Karrae as a loving Mom. You (Mom) should have kept reporting Karrae, eventually you would have been able to raise her. I don't care who you are, if you are wrong you are WRONG. Let's stop taking for our kids when they are WRONG. Tell us something different that what we are reading. She had a record of being very unstable.

Sorry Bianca suffered at the hands of her mother. Family how can you expect us to think of Karrae as a loving Mom. You (Mom) should have kept reporting Karrae, eventually you would have been able to raise her. I don't care who you are, if you are wrong you are WRONG. Let's stop taking for our kids when they are WRONG. Tell us something different that what we are reading. She had a record of being very unstable.

It is tragic that little Bianca died. She was an adorable innocent little girl. I have no doubt that Karrae is the one who killed her.
In spite of that, though, I am not going to call Karrae a monster.
She was ignorant, not evil.
It sounds like Karrae had a troubled childhood, from the stories of foster care and her sister being a teen mom too.
I also don't see anything about where the babydaddy was - so I am guessing he wasn't exactly providing much help at all to Karrae in raising a child when she's still very much a kid herself. In that environment, how would someone ever have the chance to learn how to be a good parent? How can you be surprised that it would end badly?

Immature youngsters are easily overwhelmed and frustrated. I'm guessing that is what happened here - she probably lashed out at Bianca in frustration, not malice. Unlike most other older, more mature moms, she had not yet learned how to control her angry and avoid acting on her feelings.

What she did was horrible, and I hope she does have to face the consequences of it, but there's no point in getting angry at Karrae for a situation created by ignorance and poverty.
It sounds like Karrae did love her child and didn't mean to hurt her - except perhaps in a moment of immature anger. It also sounds like she was trying, in the best way she could, to improve her life by going to school.
It's really quite sad that now she has destroyed both her own life and little Bianca's life over one bad decision.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again....for those who have had something terrible happen in their lives, the net is NOT the place to be. Who the hell goes trolling the internet, looking for information about their friend/daughter, whatever, after a crime? And if you DO troll the internet, don't get pissed off when those of us who read about crime, comment on how horrible it is.

"Darcy" says s/he KNOWS Karrae didn't do it. And even if it IS PROVEN that she did it, Darcy still won't believe it. You have to know how irrational that is. I understand the disbelief...I really do. No one wants to think their friend or family is capable of something like this. But the prisons are FULL of people whose friends didn't believe they were capable.

Random passerby - I disagree with you in one area....this wasn't a "moment of immature anger." It takes quite a few minutes to smother a child, especially one who was probably fighting for her life. Babies, and toddlers have AMAZING strength...ever try to hold one down to give them a vaccination? It's inbred in them, to fight for life.

A moment of immature anger would be to strike a child (and I can see a teen doing it - even adults), not smother them.

I have not a comment but more of a reflection for everyone. First of all you may all crash heads for days but none of us know what happened saturday night so stop the blame game. Karrae was my foster sister but I will always consider her a sister. Karrae is also my friend. No one knows each of us better than our friends but there would be no point in me wasting my time typing all the wonderful things Karrae has done or telling you the type of person Karrae is because each of you have already labeled her the baby killer.

Bianca Nicole's death was tragic and I will have to cope with her loss for the rest of my life as well as many other people who loved Bianca. I could blame the media but I wont because they have to do what is required of them to keep their ratings up. Yes they interview people and they show their "interviews" surely everyone can see that they only show the interviews that they feel meet their story. If it doesn't give the same view point as them they dont show it.
Anyone who's ever had a course in media can tell you that a top story is every reporters dream. Now what is it that makes a top story. Something that keeps viewers on the edge of their seat.

Anytime a child dies it is tragic and unexpected. However trying to make it a top story doesn't make all the facts true.

Second of all is there a law that says only uneducated morons may reply to the slanderous things being said. Karrae's mother is a mental case and if I were Karrae's attorney I'd toss her out of my office for lack of credibility. The state doesn't chose which parents get to nurture their children. Parents who cant raise their children dont raise their children. Except in cases where the mother of the child is a ward of the state and the wards foster parent refuses to take care of the child then the ward will temporarily lose custody until they can be placed in a home where the foster parents are willing to help. Its not far to the ward but thats life.

Maybe before everyone jumps to conclusions they should look back on their own lives and their own relationships. Check any myspace of a teenage girl, you will find blogs that make them appear "crazy". Karrae was a mother and her daughter came first, but she was also a teenager who liked to post blogs on myspace. Most teenagers do. Its not a crime to write about yourself on a myspace page its called adoloescense a.k.a. being a teenager. How many of you out there qith teenage daughters have ever looked at what they've wrote about themselves on their page I would assume if you did you would find that what your babies say doesn't sound like the person you know. Myspace what on earth does myspace prove other than that she could type and surf the internet my friend according to his myspace is 101 and if you meet him he's 17 the truth is that Karrae loved her daughter and you dont need some page on the internet to prove that, you just had to see them together. You cant judge a book by its cover and you cant assume that because someone calls themself crazy on myspace that its true.

I love Bianca and I love Karrae but you dont need to read about it on my myspace or my facebook I know I love them and if I said I didnt then that would be a lie. Putting words in a police officers mouth doesnt make your story true it makes you a reporter. You cant expect people to read "the police think that Starr was the only danger in her daughter's life".
Thats what you think no officer would say that because legally they couldn't educate yourselves before you believe what you read and you just might be surprised in how much you find that isn't true. Freedom of speech only gets you so far.

This is what I do wish though. I wish that people could have seen Karrae and Bianca together, I wish that they could have seen both Karrae and Bianca when Karrae was at school getting her certificate and Bianca stayed with me Karrae called every time she had a break to check on her baby. Bianca would talk about her mommy all day, about how mommy was taking her to the park or we'd make a picture and she'd make one for mommy. None of you got to see that. You only believe what you want you say whatever you want with little or no respect to the rest of us who know Karrae and Bianca and love them. You are all people with no lives wanting something to keep you entertained this is not entertainment this isn't a soap opera this is a real life tragedy. A little girl my niece is dead and I will never see her again I will never hold her again and the worst of all is no matter how much we the family miss Bianca no one has stopped to think about how much Karrae, Bianca's mommy misses her. The fact is that when Bianca died she took a piece of everyone who knew her with her and we each were left with just a little piece of Bianca to get us through until we die and can be together again. We each have to make that piece last and with all the publicity her death has gotten none of it benefits anyone who loved Bianca. Why when we have been through so much cant everyone just leave us alone. Bite your tongues and pray that you never have to experience the sorrow of losing someone you love who is so young.

Please just let her rest in peace.

If anyone wants to further comment on this I would prefer you talked to me than on some web page forum thing. The truth might shock you.

~Chasity

sassy_1761@hotmail.com

I have not a comment but more of a reflection for everyone. First of all you may all crash heads for days but none of us know what happened saturday night so stop the blame game. Karrae was my foster sister but I will always consider her a sister. Karrae is also my friend. No one knows each of us better than our friends but there would be no point in me wasting my time typing all the wonderful things Karrae has done or telling you the type of person Karrae is because each of you have already labeled her the baby killer.

Bianca Nicole's death was tragic and I will have to cope with her loss for the rest of my life as well as many other people who loved Bianca. I could blame the media but I wont because they have to do what is required of them to keep their ratings up. Yes they interview people and they show their "interviews" surely everyone can see that they only show the interviews that they feel meet their story. If it doesn't give the same view point as them they dont show it.
Anyone who's ever had a course in media can tell you that a top story is every reporters dream. Now what is it that makes a top story. Something that keeps viewers on the edge of their seat.

Anytime a child dies it is tragic and unexpected. However trying to make it a top story doesn't make all the facts true.

Second of all is there a law that says only uneducated morons may reply to the slanderous things being said. Karrae's mother is a mental case and if I were Karrae's attorney I'd toss her out of my office for lack of credibility. The state doesn't chose which parents get to nurture their children. Parents who cant raise their children dont raise their children. Except in cases where the mother of the child is a ward of the state and the wards foster parent refuses to take care of the child then the ward will temporarily lose custody until they can be placed in a home where the foster parents are willing to help. Its not far to the ward but thats life.

Maybe before everyone jumps to conclusions they should look back on their own lives and their own relationships. Check any myspace of a teenage girl, you will find blogs that make them appear "crazy". Karrae was a mother and her daughter came first, but she was also a teenager who liked to post blogs on myspace. Most teenagers do. Its not a crime to write about yourself on a myspace page its called adoloescense a.k.a. being a teenager. How many of you out there qith teenage daughters have ever looked at what they've wrote about themselves on their page I would assume if you did you would find that what your babies say doesn't sound like the person you know. Myspace what on earth does myspace prove other than that she could type and surf the internet my friend according to his myspace is 101 and if you meet him he's 17 the truth is that Karrae loved her daughter and you dont need some page on the internet to prove that, you just had to see them together. You cant judge a book by its cover and you cant assume that because someone calls themself crazy on myspace that its true.

I love Bianca and I love Karrae but you dont need to read about it on my myspace or my facebook I know I love them and if I said I didnt then that would be a lie. Putting words in a police officers mouth doesnt make your story true it makes you a reporter. You cant expect people to read "the police think that Starr was the only danger in her daughter's life".
Thats what you think no officer would say that because legally they couldn't educate yourselves before you believe what you read and you just might be surprised in how much you find that isn't true. Freedom of speech only gets you so far.

This is what I do wish though. I wish that people could have seen Karrae and Bianca together, I wish that they could have seen both Karrae and Bianca when Karrae was at school getting her certificate and Bianca stayed with me Karrae called every time she had a break to check on her baby. Bianca would talk about her mommy all day, about how mommy was taking her to the park or we'd make a picture and she'd make one for mommy. None of you got to see that. You only believe what you want you say whatever you want with little or no respect to the rest of us who know Karrae and Bianca and love them. You are all people with no lives wanting something to keep you entertained this is not entertainment this isn't a soap opera this is a real life tragedy. A little girl my niece is dead and I will never see her again I will never hold her again and the worst of all is no matter how much we the family miss Bianca no one has stopped to think about how much Karrae, Bianca's mommy misses her. The fact is that when Bianca died she took a piece of everyone who knew her with her and we each were left with just a little piece of Bianca to get us through until we die and can be together again. We each have to make that piece last and with all the publicity her death has gotten none of it benefits anyone who loved Bianca. Why when we have been through so much cant everyone just leave us alone. Bite your tongues and pray that you never have to experience the sorrow of losing someone you love who is so young.

Please just let her rest in peace.

If anyone wants to further comment on this I would prefer you talked to me than on some web page forum thing. The truth might shock you.

~Chasity

sassy_1761@hotmail.com

I'm reserving judgement on what happened to this poor, poor little girl - I mean, the autopsy results aren't even out yet. But I do see a real difference between Karrae Starr and, say, what little I've read about Casey Anthony, or whatshername who claimed that a BHS had stopped her car and killed her son. From what I can tell, Karrae seems to be someone who, even though she'd never been given any kind of template, was working hard towards a productive, healthy life.

Also, all her mentions of her daughter are about how much she loves the child. I've seen other alleged child-killers who never mentioned their kids online at all - who were intent on creating a child-free alternative identity - or who made repeated comments about how much their kids annoyed them. Karrae's 'default' attitude towards Bianca seems to have been one of love and protectiveness.

I guess what I'm saying is I think there's a distinct possibility that, even if Karrae Starr did something truly monstrous, she's not necessarily a monster. This doesn't in ANY way excuse or lessen a monstrous act - I'm just pointing out that there is a difference.

Also, 'an unstable sense of identity' pretty much describes any 18-year-old. I wouldn't say it's evidence of anything other than adolescence.

SO family to Karrae if she did not do it who did? Childrens lungs just do not explode on their own. You all have admitted it was her and that darling little angel there by themselves. Are you saying she commited her own death. What is wrong with you. You need to admit that Karrae may not be the person you think she is.

SO family to Karrae if she did not do it who did? Childrens lungs just do not explode on their own. You all have admitted it was her and that darling little angel there by themselves. Are you saying she commited her own death. What is wrong with you. You need to admit that Karrae may not be the person you think she is.

I think that debating whether or not Karrae is a monster or not, or meant to kill Bianca or not, is moot.

Law enforcement already has enough evidence that shows exactly what happened to Bianca. The media has nothing to do with what Karrae did.

Bianca didn't just "die." This is not just a "tragic death."

Bianca was killed after her mother put her hands over her mouth and nose to hush her up after a tantrum.

I have certainly experienced pain and loss and sorrow in my life. I have lost friends and family members due to tragic accidents...but thank the good lord that I have not lost anybody after their own family member killed them.

It would be good for Karrae's family and friends to direct their anger and grief towards the person responsible, that person being Karrae, NOT towards anonymous posters whose only care and concern is a poor little 3-year-old who died at the hands of her own mom.

Honestly, I have said a prayer for Karrae and those who love her and Bianca to find their way through this. They will certainly need it.

We quite frankly are tired of mom's who kill their children who then have friends and family coming out fighting that no, that's not what happened, that the child just tragically died.

I agree with my sister full heartly. Chasity is very smart and i would have to say this she proved a point and im with her if u wana know anything else the email me or my sister. We will tell u about how loving karrae was. And Sick to my Stomach u need to get ur facts streight. Her lungs did not Explode. and for the people who say why do family look on the internet for stuff about there love ones. WHY DO U LOOK ON THE INTERNET FOR STUFF ABOUT PEOPLE U DONT EVEN KNOW. Cant u all just say im so sorry for ur lose. and leave it at that. I hope to god u people never feel the pain me and my family are feeling right now. Its the most awfullest thing ever. And i also agree with my sister about karrae's mother.

R.I.P Bianca Nicole Starr.
~*~*~*~Darcy~*~*~*~
dadysgirl14@hotmail.com
if u wana know the truth!!!

IF KARRAE DID NOT KILL HER CHILD CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY SHE IS STILL BEING CHARGED WITH MURDER ??? IF INDEED THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE GIRL DID DIE FROM HER HEART PROBLEM...NOBODY WILL HAVE TO "WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT TRIAL" BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO TRIAL. LE OBVIOUSLY HAS SOME SORT OF EVIDENCE TO CHARGE THIS YOUNG MOTHER WITH MURDER....HHMMMM....MAYBE HAND IMPRESSSIONS,ETC ON THE CHILD'S MOUTH OR NOSE ??? COULD EVEN BE THAT KARRAE TOLD LE WHAT SHE HAD DONE....VERY POSSIBLE CONSIDERING HOW HER (AND FAMILY) CANNOT KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT...

Karrae is not a monster. None of you were present none of you know the answer. I have known Karrae most of her life and she was an amazing little girl. She loved to sing, she was a good student, she always had lots of friends, and she had the same hopes and dreams that any little girl has. She was very loving to Bianca and tried to give her everything. Bianca was like sunshine and she was a very happy little girl. Karrae loves her daughter. I suppose everyone will continue speculating because we have to ask ourselves why. I will leave you to it. I always thought that a person was innocent until proven guilty and now I see being on the opposite side of this that Karrae has a very hard road ahead of her. She has the support of everyone that loves her and that is what really counts right now.

I can actually answer someones question why is she being charged with murder 1. The answer is the official autopsy hasn't been released. I know because Karrae was my foster sister and we being the family will know when and what the autopsy says. Whom ever you are saying her lungs had exploded your trully ignorant even if someone is suffocated their lungs would collapse from lack of oxygen if they had exploded that would mean she had to much oxygen. Of course someone who had great lung capacity could who gave someone cpr in a crisis situation might cause someone else's lungs to explode by supplying to much oxygen to lungs that are not functioning of course since the autopsy isn't in yet there is no way for any of you to think you know facts about my niece because the truth is I know more about the autopsy than most of you and all I know is that there is no evidence of abuse. Stop listening to what you hear and wait because your right if the autopsy reveals nothing then there is no need for a trial. However the autopsy isn't compelete yet.

Dear Darby how heart sick can you really be. You wouldn't even know that Bianca ever existed if it were not for the media go ahead and correct me if I am wrong. Your facts are not facts there gossip. You are making assumptions about Bianca's death everyone is. Of course her family believes that Karrae is completely innocent dont be completely ignorant. If this were your daughter or your sister I sincerly doubt that you would be calling her a monster and if you were the rest of your family would hate you.

So again I am going to say that you cant believe everything you read. I remember everytime I used to see it on the news about some mom whose child had died and of course it was being blamed on the mother. I remember I was just like the rest of you full of hate. Looking back on it I was ignorant and of course now I question how much truth I really saw on the news and in the news papers. I now know that you really cant believe everything you read. Please for the sake of everyone stop and think about how much grief there really is for us. I have never been so sick with grief but I feel that it is important to educate every moron I come into contact with. I want to ask you all to just keep thanking God that this isn't your family that you aren't the ones sick with grief and heartache. STOP BEING IGNORANT! BE THANKFUL PRAISE GOD. You will never think of this event ever again once you all hear your precious autopsy report or it goes to trial whatever the out come may be. We the family have to live with September 27 for the rest of our lives you all will have to check old news papers for the names of the people and dates I wont. My family wont we will always know and we will always miss Bianca and love Bianca no matter what happens we wont forget. You will. So shut your mouths and count your blessings and if you cant seem to do that I would love the oppurtunity to talk to you one on one. So e-mail me.

sassy_1761@hotmail.com

~Chasity

Interestingly enough, I read the newspapers and watch the national news every day and when I see yet another ignorant mother who cannot take care of her own child, and takes it one step further by putting her hand over the childs mouth, well, it quite frankly makes me heartsick.

The point here is that Karrae is just another underage mother who, by all accounts EXCEPT her family, was not actually a very good mother at all.

She drank profusely according to neighbors, and neglected her daughter according to neighbors. One neighbor even said that she had suspicions that Karrae was abusing Bianca and had to step in. Another neighbor said that she saw Bianca crouched under a table looking depressed.

Why would a 3-year-old be depressed?

Because their "loving" mother was busy drinking and not taking care of her.

I truly don't want or need to debate anyone. Thankfully my family is not as dysfunctional as Karrae's and I haven't had to deal with murder within my own family.

If it was unintentional, and a situation where Karrae momentarily snapped, well, that will certainly come out in the wash.

I can assure you that a struggling toddler who is deprived of oxygen will choke on her own saliva and vomit, after her lungs do "burst" due to lack of oxygen. Lungs are made of tissue and no, they do not collapse.

Again, I do pray for all of those involved. There seems to be alot of inappropriate anger directed in the wrong direction.

Did we personally know Karrae or Bianca? No. Are we citizens of this country who are tired of situations like this happening? Right on.

Peace to the family. You'll need it.

I also have to say that The Management of this site discourages posters from personally arguing with one another, so I am respectfully going to disengage.

It's much too toxic for all of us.

I know the facts, and the facts are clear. The family will choose not to accept them, and that is their right...but let this be a lesson to all of those "family" members who are jumping on the bandwagon...please take care of one another BEFORE something like this happens.

I admire loyalty. What good would a family be if they weren't loyal to a member in trouble, right? However, that doesn't mean you have to be blind as a freaking bat. Ignoring the facts and claiming it was an accident, or that little Bianca just keeled over and died, or the other 2 or 3 reasons I've heard from the family as to what happened only makes you guys look foolish and wastes whatever sympathy people might have for Karrae. No one likes to called an idiot, and when you put out these nonsense stories that's exactly what you're saying to the rest of us, that we're all fools that will believe anything as long as it's said with enough anger and a good confrontational attitude. Well, I'm not impressed, and it doesn't sound like anyone outside the family is either. I reserved judgment for a while on this one, but the stream of bullplop coming out of Karrae's camp convinced me that where there's smoke there's most definitely fire.

Deirdre,
I am sorry for the loss of your granddaughter and for the loss of your daughter,as you knew her.But the blame for Bianca's death is not the fault of the State,but the fault of her killer.
If Karrae did smother Bianca to death,then the sooner you accept that the sooner you can try to move on.
Karrae was Bianca's mother and was responcible for her welfare.
The fault for this child's death lies on HER shoulders,no other.

Deirdre,
I am sorry for the loss of your granddaughter and for the loss of your daughter,as you knew her.But the blame for Bianca's death is not the fault of the State,but the fault of her killer.
If Karrae did smother Bianca to death,then the sooner you accept that the sooner you can try to move on.
Karrae was Bianca's mother and was responcible for her welfare.
The fault for this child's death lies on HER shoulders,no other.

Dierdre:

You said: There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would

Obviously, there was a REASON the state felt they would be better parents than you were. YOU FAILED YOUR DAUGHTER! She got pregnant at FOURTEEN YEARS OLD! Deirdre, you lost custody of Karrae to the state for a period of time. Karrae lost custody of Bianca to the state for a period of time. See the pattern? IT STARTED WITH YOU!

Quit complaining. You did it yourself. Your hands are just as blood-covered as Karrae's.

Cyber sleuths indeed tend to forget that one IP address does not necessarily mean one individual. Way to go, "Management."

Where's the father? As a pseudo-journalist, you might have mentioned what happened to him.

Karrae's "sisters" are claiming that Karrae was raped when she was 14, however, the obituary says that Bianca is survived her father, Charles Allen.

Just FYI.

I hope they stuff her mouth full of cotton balls...

This may come as a suprise to you but it is possible in fact the most likely case but often rape victims do know who raped them. Heres something even more astonishing but if you are raped or if you are deeply in love the father would still be the man who's sperm created the child. At least biologically speaking. FYI Charles is in jail do your own damn homework ok.

I cannot imagine finding out that my child killed my grandchild. I am sure it spins you into a massive state of denial. Of course best friends and family are not going to see things the way the media portrays them, I think that's assumed. But I think the families time could be better spent seeing Karrae in jail, or visiting Biancas grave site than getting on here trying to defend Karrae. The fact of the matter is, some people snap. Some people have a few wires loose up there. Obviously Karrae was not the most stable person you can tell this just by looking at her myspace. I do not know her personally, but I do know that Karrae was trying to talk my 15 year old sister into being a lesbian. And I am not in denial, my 15 year old sister is not someone that stable kids hang out with.

It's truly a tragedy what happen to Bianca. But Karrae has been in jail for months for a reason. I think it's time the family stop proclaiming her innocence, at least on blogs where people are trying to discuss and mourn.

karrea was not raped her own sister said that and was there. caitlen and karrea are both unstable. caitlen has said that every mother covers there childs mouth to make them shut up and that she does that herself. she also told her own brother(supposedly) that she helped to plan the murder of bianca and that she locked karrea in the room. karreas father was there along with his girlfriend and karreas own ex boyfriend. but everyone left (supposedly) before the cops could get there so that they would not get into trouble for buying the alcohol for karrea. thay say she did it because of drinking and lexapro but that is crap. something was goin on with her i dont know what it was but something wasnt right.the last time i saw karrea she had said she didnt know if she could take it anymore that she didnt want to be a mom anymore. so i think their was some other underlying problem. maybe she was ashamed her own ex mike called her daughter a nigger and karrea wasnt happy about that at all. which she had every right to be bianca was so smart and cute all she wanted was love. but karrea killed her instead and the more im threatened by the family the more the truth comes through because the whole family has problems they dont want to admit. the mother is an alcoholic and takes her own son to a listed child molesters house and makes him sit in the car so she can drink. hell almost all the people in the family drink alot. but thats not the point im making instaed of opening there eyes and realize that karrea killed bianca and that caitlen was probably a part of it the better it will be for them. instead of blaming themselves and calling what happened was an accident the sooner they can fix their own problems. instead caitlen threatens others because they refuse to believe that karrea i s innocent. caitlen said she was in the room on a blog on the internet so she knows what happend. but when we called her the mornig after bianca was killed she siadthat she was not there that she wished tht karrea had called ger so that she could have come to get her she also said that her father was there with girlfriend that supposedly karreas ex boyfriend was knocking on the door to help karrea put bianca to bed and she wouldnt let him in so then her dads girl tried and karrea told her no but she kept trying until yelling stopped and it got quiet her dad came to the door and threatened to break it down. when she opened the door she was alraedy dead and he performed cpr and his girlfriean called the police. and then they left so they wouldnt get into trouble for the alcohol. thats all i know and i want to the world to know what happened from the mouth of caitlen starr

Publicity seems to have died down for all of you did cats get your tongues or did you just get bored from lack of new information. I hope you never get any new information. Some of you and probably a few members of the family have done some pretty stupid things you've lied, twisted facts and argued to just let you mourn. Jumping down my throat to let you mourn.

You deserve a slap to the face and a kick in the ass. None of you knew them. You didnt know any of us and yet you couldnt shut your mouths. The constitiution gives you the right to freedom of speech and you have all took freedom of speech to far in fact the name calling and references to the family actually is not in your rights as an American you only have the right to go Public with facts.

I want to know who runs this page and why it has been allowed to go on like this. What were you thinking you've ruined the case before the trial began. People cant help themselves but to go nuts. Start cussing get mad and make up facts. As the reporter isnt it your responsibility to report the facts. Why dont you release the name of the male who was there the night Bianca died. Or did his mommy and Daddy pay you off. Here's the thing Karrae is my foster sister so maybe I am a little biast BUT and this is a pretty big BUT I know his family. I know they have money. I know he's been in quite a bit of trouble cuz well I know him I wont say his name cuz that would be harrassment and his family sure as hell would file charges against me by sun up. They may cover up some stuff but eventually there gonna get into some trouble with hiding evidence from oh I dont know a jury.

Chasity, are you suggesting 'someone' else killed Bianca? Withholding information from the proper authorities isn't smart. The truth will come out... regardless of who is responsible! Again, single mothers.... get a background check on your 'flavor' of the month..week...day- whatever.

My opinion??? Ultimately it is a parent(s) job to protect their child.

umm yes i know karrae personaly and i know her family i really dont think she did this on puroppse guys come on now who in there right mind would kill there own kid thats crazy and karrae loved her to death i just really dont see her doing it?

I am not suggestioning anything. All I am saying is that there was a male at the appartment that night also. He got "picked up" because of an outstanding warrant or something to that nature. All I am saying is why is it no one else is saying anything about that?? I'm not with-holding any information from the police, because the police picked him up so they know he was there. Yet none of the papers talk about that, nor did anyone talking trash on this page say anything about it.

So what I am suggesting is that maybe things really arent always as they seem.

Being a parent requires one to protect their child. One can't protect their child if they are drunk, right? Bianca was an innocent child who relied on her mothers loving arms to protect her... that didn't happen. Regardless of the love she had for her daughter, she ultimately was also responsible to take care of her and protect her; that beautiful little one is dead. Gone. Can't bring her back. And why? What loving mother allows for something like this to happen? If one loves their child(ren) so much then lay off the bottle and take up water instead. I wouldn't say that drinking is one of the characteristics of a mother of the year. Yes, Karrae made some errors and Bianca's death may not have been intended, but fact is... she could have prevented her daughters death.