Initial reports incorrectly named the passenger as Jennifer Feitz. She has been properly identified as Jennifer Seitz, 36, hometown unknown.The Coast Guard is coordinating the search and rescue mission with the Mexican navy. Coast Guard aircrews from Miami and Clearwater, Fla., have searched more than 2,500 square miles for Seitz.Seitz's husband reported her missing to cruise ship security personnel around 3:50 a.m. Friday. Cruise ship personnel conducted a comprehensive search of the ship with negative results and contacted the Coast Guard for assistance.
It's about time the reporting agencies got her name corrected. The woman is not from texas as previously mentioned. She is from Florida.
NOTE FROM STEVE: Watching, is she from Ft. Lauderdale?
Posted 12/28/2008 at 07:36:31 AMThe ship was due in at 8 this morning eastern time. Does anyone know if it is back. I went on the ship tracking website last night and it looked like it was on schedule.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 10:36:49 AMI look for the cruise line to try to dodge publicity on this, but it is probably too late.
Just checked the live webcam which is now working. The ship is back in the port of Miami.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 10:47:07 AMIs she from St Petersburg?? I know a Jennifer Seitz from St Pete.. same age.. etc. I don't think she's married though.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 11:14:23 AMFox just reported (on TV) they have video of someone in a white robe going overboard. Suicide?? They also claimed the missing Jennifer is from Houston. So who knows...
Posted 12/28/2008 at 11:22:38 AMIs there any reliable report on the identity of the husband? I haven't seen him referred to by name.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 11:25:05 AM103 individuals have gone overboard since the year 2000. Many of the deaths were never investigated thoroughly and were never solved. Foul play should be considered for all incidents until they are fully investigated. The Cruise Lines continue to tell the media that this is a rare occurence. Nothing has improved since our ctuise in 2005 when a beloved and respected couple fell overboard and died and the ship did not return to where they fell for over 12 hours and then there was no investigation of their murder. In the most recent case, the captain was not even notified of the death until 8 hours later. If somone died or was injured in a bar or a restaurant could they get away with waiting 8 hours before reporting it. Negligence by the cruise line and perhaps Congress? There have been recent congressional hearings but no effective legislation.
Then again why would any of the cruise lines be concerned about the death of one customer?
http://safecruise.blogspot.com/2006/04/did-royal-caribbean-and-celebrity.html
"How & Why Did Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines Help Liberian Dictator, Charles Taylor Brutally Kill over 300,000 Individuals in Africa in the 1990's?"
http://safecruise.blogspot.com/2008/03/98-indvidiuals-have-gone-overbaord.html
"98 Indvidiuals Have Gone Overbaord Since 2000 Yet Cruise Lines Profit Again from Murders at Sea but Offer No Protection from Rape or Death"
Cruise lines were still offering "Murder Mystery" cruises a year after the well-publicized Death of Geroge Smith on Royal Caribbean.
"Does the family of the latest person to die on a cruise ship have John McCain to blame since he deregulated the cruise industry?"
Posted 12/28/2008 at 11:52:31 AMhttp://safecruise.blogspot.com/2007/03/still-sleeping-with-enemy-cruise-line.html
I also see that there was a third person in their cabin. They were in cabin 11122, husband Raymond, and someone else named Donna Ellis, born in 1940, maybe it is her mother.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 12:16:47 PMNot sure if this has been mentioned but having traveled on the NCL Pearl this past March I can state a few things with some certainty. 1) You cannot get on or off the ship without a passport. That was stated over and over by the cruise line and they check it repeatedly. 2) You are issued a cruise card when you initially check in. This card is required to board and leave the ship. The card is tied in to the main computer and should show definitively whether or not the woman boarded after leaving Cancun. 3) The Pearl's decks that are directly above the ocean (meaning ones that you could theoretically jump off or be pushed off into the ocean) have very high railings and safety mesh. It would be next to impossible to take a dive accidentally. 4) Those decks are almost always crowded and are completely covered with CCTV. There is no reason why the ship's crew shouldn't be able to tell when and if the woman in question went overboard.
Feel free to email me if you have questions about the Pearl. I took a ton of pictures on board.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 02:26:37 PMMy husband and I just disembarked from the "Norwegian Pearl" today; the same cruise that this woman was on.
While watching the evening news in our state room a couple of nights ago, we were shocked to learn of the possibility that a woman had fallen overboard.
It is odd that no announcement of the incident was made by the cruise staff. It seems as though they would have made it public, posted a photo of the woman, and asked guests for any infomration they may have had regarding the passenger on the evening and early morning of her disaapearance.
The whole ship just went about its activities oblivious to the tradegy. Word spread among some guests during our last day. Everyone we spoke with shared the same suprise that no announcement was made and at the lack of any attempt on the part of NCL to gather information regarding the incident.
My heart goes out to the her family. I hope they find her.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 03:10:30 PMGood Morning America on ABCNews.com has a story posted earlier today that the ship has video of a woman in a bathrobe going overboard at 8:08pm on December 25th.
On SunSentinel.Com there is also a report the the FBI met and boarded the ship upon return today.
Still no information on where she lives.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 03:23:53 PMThe cruise industry needs better regulation. Nearly every time someone goes overboard, the captain and crew of the ship in question try to cover up the tragedy, and actually will destroy evidence that might lead to a conclusion of homicide. There is absolutely no reason to leave the reporting of persons overboard up to the whims of the cruise line. We need to enact laws to compel the timely and accurate reporting of persons overboard, and to specify how any evidence in the case must be handled.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 04:50:08 PMI also just got off the Norwiegan Pearl early this morning. The way the ship handled the situation was absolutely dispicable. We were not notified of the situation to see if we could have helped. After asking around to a number of people, I found a family from Louisiana who said that they were directly one floor under the alleged room and heard loud screaming around 8:00pm on Christmas Day, the day we left Cozumel on track to the private cruise island in the Bahamas. The family told us that they called security because they distinctly heard the words "stop hitting me" but that security did nothing in response to their inquiry. Why would it take the husband 6 hours to report his wife missing??? The cruise also should have sent some security personnel over to the room immediately after they were notified. There were many other problems with the Norweigan Pearl that would make me never want to go back but I think this one clinches it...imagine if it had been my mother or sister being thrown over? Are they to take no responsibility? Also another thing you might not have heard was that a woman broke her arm in Belize City during our same cruise because Norweigan Cruise Line staff did not help her off the tender boat towards the dock. She fell between the small tender boat and the dock and broke her arm. How many chances to they get?
Posted 12/28/2008 at 06:00:01 PMAny relation to former ambassador Raymond Seitz? How common a name can that be?
Posted 12/28/2008 at 06:51:08 PMI can't believe there is not anymore information posted anywhere on this incident. Even the news sites have nothing to say. You would think that people who knew her might be adding comments somewhere.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 07:14:58 PMi was on the ship and there was NO COMPREHENSIVE SEARCH!. we weren't even told she was missing. we found out through cnn. when i asked security about it they said "no comment". wft? cover up....
Posted 12/28/2008 at 07:32:34 PMMy husband and I were among the last eight passengers off the ship today; what can I say, he was lazy? Anyhow in the hallway oblivious to the fact that he was being overheard an FBI Agent was giving report to his superiors and it was startlingly lacking in any as previously mentioned by another "poster" real intensive investigative drive. The Agent stated that they were debriefing the two cabins beside the incident and the one above and below. He also stated that he was debriefing the mother...and a "person of interest" - no mention of the male party present. The only reason I am repeating this is because I work for the DOD in a high security related field and I too am appalled by the way the entire incident was handled to include the last part - giving report in an unsecure area - how sloppy... It'd be real easy to commit suicide aboard - you'd be caught on camera as mentioned...homicide, well that's just a bit harder, but not impossible. Oh, yeah I agree about the comprehensive search - there was NONE!!! Deregulation of the cruise industry...hmmmmm, what a phenomenal idea...
Posted 12/28/2008 at 07:50:13 PMChecking the Motor Vehicle records, there is a 36-year-old woman named Jennifer Seitz from Winter Haven, Florida. Her husband's name is Raymond, age 39. At the same address, there's a woman named Donna Ellis, age 68. (It appears that she owns the house.)
So this appears to jibe with what Landlocked said.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 07:57:24 PMPlease support http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/ in their efforts to get better safety and seurity regulations. There was no investigation when two people died or were murdered on our cruise ship almost four years ago. It is bad enough that 1-3 people have gone overboard since 2000. It is worse that most cases were not investigated. The FBI and Coast guard are cozy with the cruise lines. Royal Caribbean hired Gary Bald, 3rd in command at the FBI,e as their security director. Many employees of the Coast Guard and some from the FBI look forward to getting cushy jobs with the cruise lines when they retire from the government. Ther have been hundreds of rapes on cruise ships and not one conviction in the last forty years. Also see http://www.cruise-bruise.com/index.html and http://www.cruisejunkie.com/ for more cases.
There is no nationwide organized effort by authorities to solve or prevent these crimes. Instead of having one specialized unit to work cruise crimes and disappearances , the FBI has the field office nearest the port do the investigation.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 08:09:21 PMSome of these posters need to get a life.
Why blame the cruise ship for what somebody did. Like blaming the Transportation Department because somebody ran into another car. Or the house builder when a murder takes place in a house.
Stuff happens.
Husband could have been sleeping and not known his wife was missing for all that time. Happens to everyone.
Cover up? Nothing to cover up. Woman either jumped or was pushed or did something stupid and fell. Not much else to say.
FBI agent speaking in unsecure area. This is not national defense here folks. Sloppy, maybe, but no big deal.
As to more news reports? Why. Hundreds of people are murdered nationwide each day. Stuff happens.
Bigger problems are happening in the world than this one sorry soul.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 08:11:41 PMI do feel bad for those that have lost loved ones.
But, if a spouse or related person wants to push somebody over, or the the person wants to jump themselves, why or how is a bunch of regulations going to help?
You can not legislate STUPIDITY. We all know, the U.S. Congress has tried.
In this particular case, if the person jumped, or even if hubby pushed, all the investigation in the world is NOT GOING TO BRING HER BACK. I am sorry if this sounds cold, but life is sometimes cold.
Posted 12/28/2008 at 08:33:28 PMIf you were on the "Pearl" and happened to buy the video "the not-quite-newlywed show" or if you taped it yourself, I'd love to chat with you. Obviously, that tape has some elements which are now highly interesting. Cheers
Posted 12/28/2008 at 09:07:51 PMi WAS ON THAT BOAT!!!!! the night it happend!!! i was there!!! i was on that floor!!!!! wE THINK HER HUSBAND KILLED HER AND THEN PUSHED HER OFF!!!!
Posted 12/28/2008 at 09:41:19 PMThis site has more info than I have seen on ANY press all week. WHY are they withholding the details from the public who COULD be very helpful? We take 2- 3 cruises a year and I am SHOCKED and will NEVER be so trusting...BLIND TRUST...see how vulnerable we ALL are. What unspeakable negligence!!!
Posted 12/28/2008 at 10:53:55 PMMy wife and I were on the Pearl and disembarked today. The cruise ship didn't handle this very well. I noticed that the room they were in had duct tape in all the slots that open the door. Looked weird but once we heard about the incident it made sense. We heard nothing from NCL though. I happen to put on Fox News and they reported that someone from the Pearl had gone over. There isn't much NCL could have done, but they should have told us. Any one of the thousand+ people on the boat could have seen something. Whether it was an argument between the couple, or whether she was completely intoxicated or even if they saw the couple as a very loving husband and wife. Every bit of information would help the authorities focus the investigation.
Its too late now to get most people's input. Up till now, 11 pm EST, we still do not know what the couple looks like.
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Posted 12/28/2008 at 11:13:24 PM