I heartily agree. Dad's over the top repetition of his alibi; " I wuz at work, I'm sorry, I had to make a livin to support my babies all by myself cuz I WUZ AT WORK!" sounded contrived to me. No way is this guy a kind and compassionate father. He probably doesn't fully understand Haliegh's medical situation either. JMO

Susan

According to Police Report, Haleigh has Turner Syndrome. I cannot comprehend this (uneducated)Father and a 17 year old girlfriend dealing well with a condition such as this. I am also having a problem with the conflicting stories from Misty and Ronald. Crystal Sheffield is 19 which means she was 14 and Ronald was 20 when their daughter was born. This man has a history of statutory rape. Something is not right here. I am just not comfortable with this case at all.

Sounds plausible - but how about the statements that the Father has passed a polly? And the police seem to be leaving Misty's polly status undefined. She supposedly took two polly's & no one says if she passed or not. So she (IMHO) is just as likely to have done something to the child.

Hadn't heard about the Turner's Syndrome - is that just speculation or has it been announced somewhere?

Gary Ridgway (of Green River infamy) passed at least one polygraph. Different circumstance, of course; but there's a good reason the test is not immediately exculpatory.
The circumstances: a very young person + child with physical/emotional challenges not their own + responsibilities that mature blood relations would find difficult: these are tragically familiar. Add in exes, criminal offenses, straitened finances, etc. and this is a toxic recipe for borderline children.
I pray I'm wrong, and believe I'm right.

Personally, I think the girlfrien's tears are fake. She finally got some up, but those could be for her - and being scared not for Haleigh. I think Haleigh was the apple of Daddy's eye, and girlfriend no more than a mere child herself was jealous of the little girl.

I concur with arm chair sleuth. There is way too much 'playacting' on the TV coverage..Misty really reminds me of Susan Smith..who drowned her two kids, as far as her tears go...and one minute sounds like she is sobbing and 2 seconds later, totally coherent. The father sure likes them young, is that legal? Poor little girl...my heart breaks for another violent end for a baby who deserves so much more...

Interesting theory. I'm at a complete loss with this one - I really can't call it either way. However, whether she was snatched by an intruder or harmed by dad/girlfriend, both scenarios are horrific :(

The police have just confirmed that the "items of interest" found the other day are unrelated to the case.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,493106,00.html

there is something really creepy going on with this sad, sad situation....i also feel that the dad and girlfriend have done something sinister and deadly.....

I'll eat crow if I have to later, but I don't think it's the dad. I think people are too eager to leap to that conclusion because these people appear low-class and have some dysfunctions. The man we heard on that 911 call was not trying to make himself look good -- he was venting uncontrolled frustration and rage. Plus, to the police he blamed "my dumb bitch girlfriend" for leaving the door open, and I'd think if they were in on it together they'd support each other a bit better. In two different pleas to the kidnapper, he's stressed that he doesn't want revenge. That makes me think he really believes someone out there has Haleigh and he is trying to affect how that person thinks and acts.

As for the girlfriend, well ... Maureen makes some good points about her stressors and potential motive.

What "curiosity" puts forth could not have happened according to the GF family and some AC guy that all say were at the home the afternoon before the disappearance from like 5pm to 5:30pm. After the Dad went to work and work says he was there the whole time.
What I think is weird is that the GF just happened to wake up 5 minutes before the Dad came home from work and find Haleigh missing. I think it is possible that the GF went to a neighbors house or outside to meet someone for some reason. (Don't want to sound harsh but knowing the general area, the age of the GF and the general circumstances of the living arrangements) the GF may have gone out to smoke pot without the Dad. She probably would have left the door open so she wouldn't get caught coming in or so she could hear the kids if they needed her. She came back in before the Dad came home only to find Haleigh gone. How would you explain that? She is trying to cover her tracks because she wasn't even in the house when she should have been.
This may sound off the wall to some of you but just give it some thought. I know not everyone in rural north central Florida gets high but she fits with what I know (and probably what the police know) and if you factor this in then you see why some things look hinky and then some things that seem weird to most people make more sense.
Also, why couldn't they just ask the 4 year old? He would be able to tell police what the routine was when Dad was gone. Kids that age know and see more than most people give them credit for.

Has anyone else wondered if the two recent abuctions of Haleigh and Dominic may be related? If you do a mapquest search there is just enough time to get from one location to the other between the time the children went missing. Also adding that they both went missing from mobile homes, also being almost the same size. Anyone else notice this?

Also forgot to include that the locations where they went missing were by bodies of water.

I don't know what happened on my last post.I find it hard to believe that (someone unknown to Haliegh)could sneek in and take her without waking anyone.I know the Hermit Cove area real well and it is atleast a mile or further off the main road.The person that took her if that is what happened has been to that house or visited that area.It is very secluded.More people see this area by boat than by car.Being a parent that has faced public scutiny recently I feel for all of the family and the girlfriend until all the facts are inand charges are filed.I read blogs and had people tell me of blogs about my family and it caused us more grief when people threw rumors around and have nothing to back it up with.Just remember before you post something it could be you oneday in a similar situation please think before you post

I googled turner syndrome and learned that 30% of girls with turner syndrome have urinary tract issues, couldnt this be a reason for the bedwetting?Also,I havnt heard anything about dads record.Where did u hear about this?Because id like to know more.I saw an interview with bio mom and she said herself that the court gave dad the children because they thought they would be better off with him.Why if your saying he has a child abuse charge would he win in court?...

Question: Why does bio father (Ronald Cummings) have custody of both children? Anyone know why this is?

I agree that something is "off" with the girlfriend's behavior and the Dad's combative and hostile responses to the 911 dispatcher seemed odd also...the police have not said that both he and Misty passed the poly's. The police seem to be keeping everything close to the vest and may know more than they are telling the public.

poor little girl, my goodness, these people are too young to be parents, and certainly not ed. Enough! Seventeen, is that legal?

Well, not to sound elitist, but the adults involved are probably the most accurate poster people for white trash I have ever seen. Outside bad jokes, you don't actually expect people like that to exist. No, Dad/underaged girlfriend are not very bright, but Dad did pass the polygraph,so I don't know. There was a custody fight, which I saw bio Mom discuss on Nancy Grace's show, so I'm sure that is possible motive in a case like this. However, the little boy wasn't touched, so that's something that does make me wonder about Haleigh's relationship with step mom/dad. Did step mom dislike her for some reason? People have mentioned bed wetting as part of Haleigh's history.

I agree with the poster who talked about chronic bed wetting, missing school etc being signs of abuse in a child her age, so of course I wonder.

Does being an abusive parent mean that one of them killed her though? Not so sure. Because Dad did pass the polygraph (and it's not like he outsmarted it because..come on, you've seen the guy) I don't feel he stayed at work knowing she was missing. Then too, I don't know what the polygraph examiner asked him. If he was simply asked "Did you harm or kill her?" Then, he could have truthfully said no, he did not.

Was he asked if he had prior knowledge before arriving home from work?

Has step teenybopper mom been polygraphed?

There may very well be history that makes child abuse/unintentional killing of Haleigh seem plausible or even likely, but I feel there are too many unanswered questions for them to rule out stranger abduction or even accident.

They say she was afraid of the dark, but what if something happened to upset or frighten her and she walked out? What if she's lost, or fell down a hole? You just don't know when a child is missing, so you have to look at every possible angle, even the ones that don't seem obvious or likely.

The fact that 55 convicted sex offenders live in and around her area does not help matters, and I know the police were dedicating some of the focus to that possibility.

I know it's never likely in these cases, but I hope they find that little girl alive.

I still don't think the girlfriend or the girl's father have anything to do with it, honestly. I don't think the biological mother does either. I really feel that this is a random abduction.

I understand the stats, and that children are usually hurt by someone close (Trenton, Caylee, Baby Grace in Texas etc)... but that's not always the case. I'll keep referencing the Jessie Lunsford case only because the parallels are so eerie. Umm I guess I'll say Homosassa (where Jessie was from) and Satsuma are just incredibly similar, downtrodden, rural FL places.

I think there are a lot of theories being thrown around because, yes, these people are trailer trash. Just like we all "thought" Mark Lunsford was. And just like we all "thought" the Groene children were taken because their mother was a meth head.

We'll see the outcome. I hope she's found alive and well and not completely traumatized... but, with every day that passes, chances of that grow dim.

None of them really have too much emotion, for instance the aunt. Does that mean they had something to do with it? I still think it could be an intruder. Did the girlfriend entertain someone while Ronald was at work? Did this guy sneak over and unlock the screen door for easy access later that night? There was also a workman at the house during the day. Same scenario, unlock the door, come back later that night. Dad locked the door when he left, but did girlfriend check it again? There's also the possiblity of a hider in the house, like the one who kidnapped the little girl from her bed in CA. Can't think of her name. Of course, I always come up with these ideas and it turns out to be family. I still think Patsy Ramsey killed Jonbenet. Just remembered, Danielle Van Dam in CA was kidnapped by the neighbor who hid in the house.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT ON IT WITH ALL THE ISSUES THIS FAMILY HAS.ALSO WHY HALEIGH HAS NOT BEEN GOING TO SCHOOL. THIS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND IS SCARED TO DEATH. SHE AND RONALD SHUD HAVE BEEN HELPING LOOK FOR HALEIGH INSTEAD OF WALKING THE YARD SMOKING.

I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN TWO POLY'S ON HER--
WHY? DOES ANYONE KNOW. IT WON'T TAKE MUCH TO BREAK HER.
ALSO CRYSTAL NEEDS TO REMIND HER THAT HALEIGH IS HER CHILD
NOT HER BABY. SHE HAS ONLY BEEN IN THE PICTURE FOR 4 MONTHS.
ACCORDING TO HIS SISTER.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT ON IT WITH ALL THE ISSUES THIS FAMILY HAS.ALSO WHY HALEIGH HAS NOT BEEN GOING TO SCHOOL. THIS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND IS SCARED TO DEATH. SHE AND RONALD SHUD HAVE BEEN HELPING LOOK FOR HALEIGH INSTEAD OF WALKING THE YARD SMOKING.

I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN TWO POLY'S ON HER--
WHY? DOES ANYONE KNOW. IT WON'T TAKE MUCH TO BREAK HER.
ALSO CRYSTAL NEEDS TO REMIND HER THAT HALEIGH IS HER CHILD
NOT HER BABY. SHE HAS ONLY BEEN IN THE PICTURE FOR 4 MONTHS.
ACCORDING TO HIS SISTER.

I think it is all wrong. I think Ronald and Misty had nothing to do with it. I think an abductor came into the home and carried Haleigh out the back door and circled around the wooded area to a parked car and drove off.

BACK DOOR: The abductor was stalking the family, probably for some time. Ronald locked the back door, but Misty or one of the visitors might have opened it for air or to take out the trash and forgot to lock it.

Or intruder could have come in front door if that was unlocked. Intruder could have come in front door hours earlier and hid in house and then left through rear door. Sound creepy? It has happened in other cases.

MISSING SCHOOL: I read elsewhere that this district makes a big deal of kids missing small amounts of school. Ronald could have had a hard time getting her to school because he was a single parent, worked nights, was probably exhausted and wanted to sleep, and he also had a toddler to care for. Haleigh probably also wanted to spend time with her dad. None of this could be easy.

Seems like he was lucky to find Misty to help him take care of the kids. Looks like she was happy to be part of a family. Nothing wrong with that.

There has been no mention of child abuse. Just that Haleigh was absent from kindergarten sometimes.

CONTEMPT OF COURT- Sounds like that was entered the day Haleigh was missing because school thought she was absent, not missing.

CHANGING STORIES: Misty's story has not really changed, she is just not very clear or bright. ALSO, on TV, they want a really short answer, not a 10 minute explanation of who was where when. Then they act like you are lying because they did not get the whole answer.

Sounds like the two kids were in bed together and Misty laid down with them for a bit and a while later Haleigh got up and went to the other bed and Misty did some cleaning and when she went to bed she went in with Junior. When she got up at 3 am, kitchen light was on, door was open, and Haleigh was gone. She tried to call Ronald but he was in driveway anyway. She called 911 and he was panicking in the background. Apparently, when he panics, he starts talking tough.

Also, trauma causes confusion and memory loss. REMEMBER, it took Elizabeth Smart's sister many MONTHS to remember that she recognized the man she saw taking Elizabeth out of their bedroom. MONTHS! I would not be surprised if months from now, Misty remembers that she DID see the abductor that night. Things work like this, especially if you are sleeping while it happens. It can come up from your unconscious or subconscious later.

Read that Duncan case to see how that guy stalked that family for days using night vision goggles, waiting for the right time to go in and kill the adults and older son and kidnap the two younger kids. Someone could have been stalking Ronald and Misty, too.

If Haleigh had been injured or killed in the home, the police would already know that. There would be evidence of that in the home. Also, the 4 year old would talk about it.

Anyone check this guy out? He lives only .10 a mile away from the cummings trailer. I did a search of the florida sex offenders registry online a few days ago and checked again today, this guy just lives too close not to be a suspect.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

amputated toe? might explain needing the door to be cinder-blocked open.
Another thing is the street they live on is fairly secluded. Anyone living nearby would be able to determine the family's routine schedule and case the trailer.

Wow, I do think that this is reaching, listing 5 points as to why Ronald or his girlfriend should be looked at as the people responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

I've got two words for ya. Jessica Lunsford.

She was abducted in the middle of the night, without making a sound.

1. Contradictory statements could be given due to stress of situation and haziness due to sleepiness and the fact that Haleigh was missing. The girlfriend might not truly have known who was where. The 911 call also indicates that the girlfriend was not particularly bright. It would have been hard for her to say what day it was. She could also have been somewhat afraid of the dad, given his temper. She didn't want to be "blamed" for not making sure that both kids weren't safe and sound upon the dad's return and might have tried to make it seem that all was kosher with the sleeping arrangements when maybe they weren't. That doesn't mean that she did something to Haleigh.

2. I heard the bulk of the 911 call and the dad wasn't faking anything. He was pissed that his daughter was missing and he was pissed that the cops weren't coming. He actually thought that the 911 operator was holding things up by talking to him and his girlfriend so much. He wanted somebody there immediately and if he had done something to Haleigh, he wouldn't have wanted anybody there anytime soon.

3. I guess we can refer to #2. I haven't read any reports that he was an abuser.

4. The only thing I agree with is that the girlfriend is young and not real bright (like Ronald.) Again, I've not seen any reports that either was abusive or that Haleigh was missing school due to injuries.

5. I have only seen the first sentence verified. The mom was on Nancy Grace and said this: That Haleigh could not miss any more school because if she did, the dad might get arrested. There was nothing beyond that as far as I know...and the dad sounds like he's not afraid to fight things like this out in court.

I too will eat my words if either of those numbskulls are involved. I just feel deeply that someone came into the house, maybe through the FRONT door, stealthily moved through the house, propped open the back door, grabbed Haleigh, and then exited out the back. Nobody thinks that he couldn't have come through that FRONT door??

This guy lives .10 mile (like 400 feet away) from the trailer, his landlord is the same landlord as Cummings, he's a sex offender:

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

I do think the perp knew the family, this is a small community (rural) and it isn't too difficult for people to know neighbor's routines (leaving for work, school, etc.) and it wouldn't take much to make a stealthy casing of the trailer (it's on a very secluded shady street) and make a note of entry and exit access...

Also if someone did break in, that person would have to be big enough to ably manhandle a teenage girl. This guy fits that profile.

Kyle Shannon Johns.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989

In the Florida Sex Offender registry there are a number of sex offenders who are nearby that could be a usual suspect but this guy, it's so close to the home and the age is not far off to think that maybe he and cummings knew each other.

Also, the father states he will shoot out the back window of the police car and kill the person, making me think the person he had in mind is nearby. Only people back there that are obvious suspects would be his girlfriend and the sex offender neighbor...

Crystal is 23 not 19. Amber is 19.

I personally think it is a random act (someone watching) or past tenant or landlord that set of keys. I'm sure the locks were never changed.
My sister wet the bed into the 5th grade because she had urinary problems and was a heavy sleeper...so did my younger male cousin.
As far as the age difference...I do have a problem with that...however look at Miley Cyrus, her paerents let her date a 20 yr old and she is 16???? I would never have allowed that with one of my daughters or my son for that matter.
I heard the he passed a poly and she passed 2 poly's (sec because of different questions) That is more then I can say about any of the Anthonys.

I don't think either the dad or the girlfriend was involved.
I think it could have been someone they came in recent contact with, maybe since their move.
God speed in the recovery of that little angel!!!!!!

I hope Haleigh is found soon.

Please George Anthony leave the Cummings alone...you are not well enough to deal with this right now.

I have always thought that the "tears" from both of these individuals have been WEIRD, to say the least. I have felt that they were just false and put on and not real. I hope that they find out SOON who took this child. It is very sad.

Crystal is 23 not 19. Amber is 19.

Please,let's just pray for these young people and give them the benefit of the doubt.I am raising my youngest daughter who is 13 now and the possibilities of all the things that can happen to children of all ages is very scary. Can't we just stay positive and let the police do their work and keep Haighley uppermost in our prayers. It could very well be one of ours next.God bless

Everyone keeps saying the father passed the poly test, but the police never said that. the fater said that, not the police. they don't tell the person if they passed. So no one other then the police dept knows if this guy passed the test or not.

I refuse to cast stones at people who may potentially be going through the most horrific thing imaginable until there is something other than appearance. I like facts. I like evidence. I don't like hearsay and presumptions. To often a victim is dragged through the mud and ends up being nothing but a victim. If the dad or/and girlfriend did anything, I trust that LE will do their job and pursue it. Otherwise, there is a missing child and the possiblities of what could have happened are endless. I see a 17 year old girl alone with 2 kids in a home with no alarm and no dogs as a prime target for a sick pedophile.

Tony - you may be right, but my understanding is that they have spoken to each and every one of those 44-55 registered sex offenders.

That aspect of this case gives me the chills. They had a map on Nancy Grace that had Haleigh's house...and then 44 or so "dots" that indicated where all of those sex offenders were. And it was scary.

I wonder how they "clear" these guys. I am guessing that a simple "So, did you take Haleigh?" won't do.

Yeah, having a child molester living next door (and several down the road) makes the father & his GF considerably less likely suspects. This reminds me of the Westerfield & Duncan cases.

This is what adds up to me:

Whoever took Haleigh knew her! They knew she was afraid of the dark and that is why the kitchen light was on.

I think they planned to take the boy too, but he was in bed with the 17y/o, so that ruined that plan.

I think they knew the screen door was squeaky, so they propped it with a cinder block.

I think the Mom and her family are vindictive and would go to a desperate act to get those kids from the Dad and the 17 y/o.

I think the Mom is beyond crazy over the fact that the kids loved the 17 y/o and called her mom. This pushed her over the edge.

I think it's odd how the Mom's mother said with a 'straight face' "I just know she is ok and that we will get her back". I bet she is in on this...trying to help her daughter and all, looking out for her grandkids.

I don't think the 17 y/o had any ill feelings towards the girl, she talked about washing the blankets like it was a regular thing they had to do and it was no big deal. I recall being 17 and in a similar situation.

I hope the prints or DNA on the cinder block show something soon.

The father had nothing to do with his daughter's disappearance. The girlfriend - I doubt it, she's too stupid (er- uneducated) not to have been caught in a bald-faced lie already. Bottom line: these two should never have been responsible for anything other than a pet turtle as far as I'm concerned.

I had a thought also that the biological mom may have been behind this. At this point, it could have been almost anyone. What surprised me was that in her interview on Nancy Grace, she knew exactly what kind of lock was on that back door yet she didn't even live there. She also made a point of emphasizing that the father was being threatened with jail time because Haleigh had missed too much school.
I just wish something would happen soon so that the speculation will end, and we can get some real clues as to what happened to this precious child.

Does anyone know if the biological mother has taken a polygraph? Ok, this case is waking me up in the middle of the night.
I think abduction by biological mother (even if someone else helped) is the most plausible scenario.
The reason for the door being propped open? They were planning to take BOTH kids, they just hadn't planned on the son not being in the other room. The mother was the only one familiar with the work routine, where those cinder blocks were, could have had access to a key. Remember how she said on Nancy Grace that the back door had a bolt lock? She was thoroughly familiar with the whole scenario. Haleigh did not scream or try to fight or run away, so could she have known her abductor?
The mother was obviously furious with the father for a number of reasons, not being notified of the court hearing regarding custody, Haleigh missing so much school, a 17 year old being put in charge of her children. It's enough to make any parent make a desperate move. But she did not have custody so that makes it a kidnapping.
Just a theory, but it seems the most plausible on to me.

If bio mom did it, who is taking care of Haleigh while her and her mother are in the town Haleigh was taken from?

I think Misty (girlfriend) had something to do with it. Probably an accident, but things just don't seem 'right' with her. Although if she did, why haven't they found her yet? She didn't have a car so she couldn't have taken her far, unless her brother/nephews that were visiting helped. It just is mind boggling. I would think they could get some info from the brother. Even at 4 he could tell them if bad things were happening. I really hope and pray for a happy ending, but I have a bad feeling about it.

We all know in the end, it will all come down to how well the police do their job. Just looking at this blog, you can see how many different opinions are circulating of what could of happened. You can take any one of these theories and make a case around it..Look how many cases have been flubbed because the police were so busy looking at the parents that all the forensic evidence took the back seat. The Jon Bonet Ramsey is a perfect example. Just hope that the police are knowledgeable, and can build a credible case to find the truth. The truth is what we seek, not a theory.

Investigators are back to re-interviewing family members. For a reason, IMO.

There are so many indications that these two are not being straight with us. I don't trust either of them.

Was Haleigh in school last Monday? Who was the last person to see her other than the girlfriend or the father? I read that Misty said her brother had come over last Monday afternoon, so did he see Haleigh? Sorry is this has already been reported.

Oh, my heart just sank when I read Eyes for Lies's comment. She "reads" people very, very well and I had wondered over the weekend if she had watched any footage of this case and had any insights.

Eyes - if you see this question - is there any question of the dad and girlfriend being deceptive in a way that leads you to believe that they have done something with Haleigh?? Or are they appearing deceptive because they have produced conflicting statements (reporting who was sleeping where, for instance)??

I'm just saying that they could have the appearance of not being straight with us due to the girlfriend having done something earlier that evening that she doesn't want anybody to know about that is totally unrelated to Haleigh's disappearance (being high, for instance) and the dad is just...wack. Period.

And I don't feel that the mother is involved, only because why would she kidnap her daughter, only to not be able to be with her?? This would be counter productive. And there isn't a reason to fake a kidnapping because there is no good way now to produce Haleigh. The mother was going to have her kids over that next weekend anyways, and if she wanted to, she could have kept them with her and tell Ronald that she'd see him back in court. She also doesn't seem smart enough or have enough resources to pull something like that off, for this long.

But, do you have any specific insights??

Geez - Eyes - I'm sorry - I didn't look at your website before asking you for your insights!!

I highly recommend that everybody check out Eyes for Lies - she does have some very interesting thoughts on this.

Hi Darby,

To answer your question, their behavior, demeanor and hot spots are indicative that these two know more than what they are telling us about what ultimately happened to Haleigh. That's about all I can say.

Just speculation, I think Cummings did something and Croslin knows about what happened and is just covering for him, but I can't be 100% certain.

What I want to know is why people are talking as if this child is mentally defective because she has Turner's Syndrome? TS has more to do with stature, heart defects and infertility than mental retardation. It's not like she has Down's Syndrome. Unless she had genetic testing, it's difficult to diagnose a child this young as having TS.

Compass, I've asked that question several times, and have yet to get an answer. I too would like to know when the last INDEPENDENT siting of Haleigh was, and by whom.

Nancy Collins - I agree with your assessment of children with Turner's Syndrome. In fact, I know of a young adult with it, and she's "normal" by all accounts.

Thanks, Soobs.

Thanks, Soobs.

I know this much about last sightings of Haleigh, the school absolutely cannot comment on whether or not she was there last Monday due to privacy laws. Best we can hope for is maybe another student or parent may have seen her at school, it is not against the law for them to comment but school officials cannot give out that information. Even if she was at school that would still leave from around 4 til 10, nearly 6 hours unaccounted for as to where she was or who she was with, and we really only have the girlfriend's word that the child was in that house and in bed at 10 pm that night. What is the age of the other child, it keeps changing in the news reports. If it is 4, then he is definitely old enough to communicate to adults what happened in the house that night.

I think that Misty had something to do with Haleigh's death or disappearance. I think Misty either set a kidnapping or accidentally killed her. I don't feel that the truth is being told at all. I hope she is found.

THIS WHOLE ORDEAL SCREAMS CUSTODY & CHILD SUPPORT TO ME!!!!

From Crystal's house to Ronald's house is 88 miles away, take aprox. 1hr 45 min, Less time at night.

At 3:49am Marie Sheffield, Haleigh’s maternal grandmother received call from Ronald

At 3:50ish Marie calls her daughter, Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield who lives in Glen Saint Mary Florida.

At 5:00ish Marie calls Crystal’s father who lives in Satsuma or close—he drives over to Cummings house, then call’s his ex-wife back and verifies that Haleigh is missing, that police and search dogs are at the scene.

THEN Marie and Crystal head for Satsuma.

What did Bio-mom & Grandma wait for? (I WOULD HAVE BEE OUT THE DOOR THAT VERY SECOND!!)

1hr 10 mins+ time, before they left?
( You got to be kidding me!!) I want Bio-mom Crystal & Chad Griffis cell phone records checked.

Chad made some snippy comments about Crystal's "Other Children" on his MySpace Page.

There seems to be great strain between Ronald & Crystal, and Crystal is ordered to pay Child Support.

Crystal was held in CONTEMPT on the VERY DAY that Haliegh went missing. ( I assume it is for NON-PAYMENT of CHILD SUPPORT )

I think that LE need to look into Chad Griffis & Bio-mom Crystal a little further. Crystal has NO JOB and Chad Griffis will have to pay that Child Support to Ronald after they get married. (( Money can be the root of all evil!))

There could have been plenty of time for Crystal & Chad to drive back to Glen Saint Mary from Ronald's house, before the Grandma even got the FIRST phone call about Haleigh being missing.

Mom Crystal doesn't look too upset with it all. Just wants to keep making Ronald look bad. ( which is not that hard )

Crystal will now probably get Custody of Ronald Jr. and not have to pay anymore Child Support! Ronald will have to pay HER!!!

BTW... NOW Grandma thinks Haleigh is NOT EVEN IN FLORIDA!! Hummmmm?? Interesting!!!!

JMO

The story of who woke up went first / for drink/went to bathroom /door open /light on so many varied time frames and lies /have heard a dozen different versions and then why would GF wait a half hour to call 911? Something smells.
That guy sounds like red neck violent loaded nut case.
Gf shuts her eyes "sign of not telling the truth telling what is the best story she can come up with and acts drugged out probley reason for changing storys you know a liar never can remember what they told last.Re: all these tales.
What was on that blanket was that used to remover her or blood/ semen ? and why was it being cleaned late at night said Haliegh never had a blanket to use at bed time and on top of that why was the gf even mentioning this blanket was it bothering her drugged up hallow mind thinking the truth may lie in this she probley never needed a blanket
as not even present then .
How could a guy live there and be in back yard even once and not see those cement blocks ?

Would there not b e urine on other items besides a blanket in bed?
Why was that relative molester allowed to be there even the air head GF had been molested by him including other cousins God knows who else he has attacked.
That little girl never had a chance in hell living in such a place so people remove the little boy NOW neither are fit parents they are druggers .
Nuts don't fall far from the tree it will all end up ending there . Thats my opinion .
why is the word "Trailer Trash" thrown around continually is living in an apt. so much better going through entrys ,halls alone at night and can even have druggers in the next apt. above you or below you /I have lived several years in a mobile home ,friends t\hat lived in Sr mobile homes at least the kids may have a yard to play in this name calliong makes no senc e youlive where you can afford t would you rather be on the street?

Thanks, Native Texan. I thought maybe the school information had been revealed through a news report. I did see Haleigh's school had tried to do their part supporting the family.

What relative molester are you referring to? The girlfriends brother? or Ronald Cummings the dad? or the air conditioner guy?
Thanks

The father & the girlfriend chain smoke like chimneys. Imagine living with them in a trailer with poor ventilation. Poor Haleigh, whatever happened to her, her lungs never had a chance.

mom sure pushed the blame on ron back then

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

Man, some of the comments on this board are enlightening as to how close minded folks are in this country. Y'know, just because someone is poorly educated, chain smokes and lives in a trailer and has a crappy job and bad taste in hair, music and life partners doesn't mean they'd kill/molest their kid. It just means they're a redneck. The fact the father was awarded custody of his children (even in this day and age) speaks louder than his redneck appearance. And think twice before throwing phrases like "white trash" around. For Southerners, that's the equivalent of the N-Word.

per a breaking news report on news4jax.com:

They just found out that the child was NOT wearing a pink shirt when she went missing. Now they "aren't sure" what she was wearing.

More holes in the story of the girlfriend.

Nancy is absolutely right. We shouldn't judge. We can speculate and form theories based on the info we have but domestic violence and child abuse comes in all socio-economic and education levels.
I will say this though, and yes, I have a college degree and also lived in a double wide trailer so there. But one thing I noticed about living in mobile homes is that every step you take, especially if you are a grown person can just about be heard all over the house. When the dryer hits the spin cycle the whole house shakes.
So based on that it just seems so hard to believe that anyone could just sneak in and out and grab a child without being heard.

The mom said she sent the kids to visit dad after their break up and he never sent them back to her. Then he filed for custody and gave the courts a bogus address for the mom so she was not aware of his plans.The courts awarded him custody because the mom never appeared for the court date.
I'm looking squarely at the 17 year old.. she was there (or not) at the time little Haleigh disappeared..she was in charge of those kids while the dad was at work and her story just does not add up. I wonder how boring and hard grown up life really was for her? You know, a 17 year old leaves her parents home to get away from all the soul crushing rules and responsibilities of school and chores.. so going away to live with a "real man" who has his own place and a job must have been a wonderful dream. Parties every night..no school..no one nagging you to get "stuff" done..ahhhh..the good life!
But wait! He has kids!.. AND an ex wife (she MUST be a bitch because HE says so).... the dishes need doing and the kids need clean clothes and someone has to cook their meals and get them to school and he's tired from work when he gets home so let's just eat and watch some tv and go to bed..after you bathe and dress the kids for bed, because he's too tired to do it himself because he just spent the day WORKING.. Man..I'm sure she loved her new glamorous life. There can be NO possible chance that she'd deak out of the house while the kids are sleeping and seek companionship elsewhere for a "few" moments.. none at all. I agree with the person who said she's more afraid of retribution from her "boyfriend" than the law. She cannot admit any transgression because it will mean punishment from him and probably losing him.
Does anyone know if the baby boy is living in the tent with dad and girlfriend while the police investigate the home? If I were the mother I'd be taking him home and circling my friends family and lawyer around him.
That's just my opinion on this case.

girlfriend guilty. She needs to be held as a suspect. Last one to see baby, her communication language both physical and verbal, are those of someone either telling a lie, or not telling the whole truth, which is nothing more then a lie. Everything that has come out of her mouth from the 911 calls to this day, have been contradicted, by another statement. Lock her up, she'll crack. Obstruction to the investigation, and this little girls justice, should be plenty to get the job done.

Several people mentioned the sexual offender w/ the last name of Johns. Another webpage said both Ronald's mother AND Crystal's mother have the maiden name of Johns. Are the 2 grandmothers related? Are Ronald and Crystal therefore related? Are they related somehow to the Johns offender?

I don't think it is the father. I think the girlfriend has done something. I remember when Susan Smith used to give interviews and would talk about what had happened she would always close her eyes. This girl closes her eyes when she talks about it. When I first saw her do talk with her eyes closed all I could think about was Susan Smith with her eyes closed saying, "Alex and Michael, yo mama luvs you". I am also suspicious of the girlfriends story about one of her family members, a registered sex offender, who had molested her, visiting recently. Why would you have a family member visiting you that sexually abused you as a child?

It seems pretty obvious based on some of the late breaking news reports, that girlfriend is in deep doo doo. Probably cell phone records don't add up and the police may have had someone come forward to state that she was with them that night and not at home. Even if she had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance she will be charged with something. If Haleigh is deceased it will be negligent homicide which will put her away for a long time. If the real mom had been casing the place and found her kids alone I believe she would have taken both of them, not just one. I also don't believe she would have left a door propped open and a light on, a dead giveaway that someone was there.
I am even beginning to wonder if it wasn't the father who came home and found Haleigh missing and girlfriend gone. Remember his comment that was on the 911 tape.

Regardless, don't get so wrapped up in the soap opera that you lose sight of what the important thing is here, Haleigh!! Pray for her safe return and then worry about the issues of the family... Finding her should be the only thing that is important right now!!

The very first thing I noticed when all this first broke, is when they interviewed Misty (the dad's 17 year old girlfriend) if you watch her face, all she is doing is fake whining and not a tear in her eye....does this remind anyone of anything???? The first thing I saw was, Susan Smith. She did exactly the same thing, couldn't look into the camera, and plead for the return of her children, her eyes were closed, and she didn't cry, and she just whined like she was forcing herself to appear to be crying. This girl is the same, she does not look genuinely upset. If I was watching my boyfriends child and she disappeared, I would be unconsolable. And what is up with this father getting custody of any child, if this parent was the better of the two real parents, I cannot imagine what strikes the mother has against her. Is there anyone looking after the other child for his best interests? I sure hope so.

I feel bad for the real mom. I think she is scared to death of her ex and is taking a verbal slam from that live-in because she cant speak whats in her heart out of fear or retaliation..oh I totally believe the live-in isnt telling the whole story because she's probably scared of psycho ron too...imagine how the poor kids had to feel...he's a bully and a control freak, you can see that...lets just pray haleigh isnt being abused in anyway.

i would love to know the definition of trailer trash since people keep calling this family "trailer trash". is it because they live in a trailer? is it because they do not make as much money as others. is it because they live in the town they live in. with the recession going on. i hope that none of you lose your jobs and fall into trouble with money and god forbid have to rent an apartment or anything in that manner. then you would be "trailer trash" too. pdm pays good money for this county (i live here too). there are many people out there that do not even have jobs or keep jobs. atleast the father is working to take care of his family. there are many "rich" people out there who i would definitely consider "trailer trash", and this family is not one of them.

also saying that they probably know who did it because its such a small town, ive lived here since i was three, 18 years, two of my real good friends live down that road along with quite a few others, and i have NO IDEA who these people are.

also the comment about people who live in this town, all they do is do drugs.. do you live here? is that what you do? because me and my friends live here and we dont.

if you dont know the people or live here, stop making assumptions, your not detectives and you should have better things to do in life then blame him or her or whoever. your just hurting people.

the truth will come out eventually, lets hope. then you can make your judgements.

also, the comment about all the sexual offenders. do your research. someone is labeled a sexual offender if they are a senior in hschool dating a sophmore. the law its pretty ridiculous and a lot of people dont get caught. i also moved to mandarin in jacksonville and there were just as many sexual offenders in the best of areas there, than down here.

i would love your comments.

I would like to comment about the back door being propped open with a brick and the kitchen light on.
A few years back my home was robbed and the robbers left the front door slightly open with a light on. When I pulled into the driveway I noticed a ray of light and called the police before I went into my home. The police said robbers do that because they have the intention coming back and finishing up the robbery if they see the door is not disturbed.
I can't help but wonder if whomever took Haleigh propped the door open with the light on intentionally and was going to come back for the brother or God only knows what else.
I'm not going to pass judgment on the family. A beautiful child is missing and I think we all should all hope and pray that she is found safe and sound.

I think this whole "scenario" is completely wrong. Yes the family is very disfunctional and the "babysitter/girlfriend" seems to be the one giving conflicting reports but she IS only 17 and could have left the home and RETURNED to find Haleigh missing. The father's alibi of being at work has been checked and rechecked. He WAS at work and could, in no way, have been involved. The father is lost without his daughter and that is apparent everytime you see him. The 911 call says it all......if my husband was watching MY kids while I was at work and when I got home one of my kids were missing, I would be namecalling him as well and even blaming him as Haleigh's father blamed Misty during the conversation with 911.

I believe the father and underage girlfriend are responsible for this missing child. Rarely are children abducted by those who are strangers, and even more rarely when they are asleep in the middle of the night when an elder is present in a tiny space.

The criminal and drug abuse histories of these cretins are well-known, making them suspects from the getgo. The police have never issued a statement to the effect that either have passed polygraph tests, and that is curious as if they had, the authorities would have announced the result by now. The police know something and are drawing those they feel are responsible into confessions.

One wonders where social services have been all of this time. Surely the school reported the child's extensive truancy. The children were not unknown to child protective services, and given the family circumstances and health issues surrounding this child, why were no steps taken to place these unsupervised tots in foster care?

Keep in mind, a lie detector test is simply an investigative tool. They could both have failed certain aspect of the test and police may still tell them they passed so that they would continue to talk to police as well as reporter and trip themselves up. Had the police said they failed then they would discontinue interviews with the press as well as the police and they would lawyer up. Since it is not admissible in court there is no reason to be straightforward about the results.

Hey everyone! This is such a sad and discusting case. What really bothers me is the fact that a sexual "preditor", not just offender, but PREDITOR is allowed to be out of prison. The fat pig lived less than a mile from this little girl. The fact is, he may not be connected to this case, but, come on people, he's a dangerous animal who loves little girls and would like nothing better than to do horrific things for his own pleasure. Why is this PIG out in society? I can't believe that the father of the little girl he wanted to have sex with (who was 10) by the way, didn't shoot him. But, no this slob has all the rights in the world. Too bad for him he doesn't live in Vermont, they'd let him walk. He wouldn't even have to register. Discusting, unfair, THE CHILDREN ARE VICTIMS. ALL CHILDREN. UNTIL ALL THESE ANIMALS ARE OFF THE STREETS, OR CASTRATED.

Good points, Ken.

The police have no reason to divulge anything to these people as they remain the prime suspects. Repeated questioning is a sign that the police suspect someone close to the event. I doubt the father is the culprit here as he has an alibi that is air-tight. Did the mother have anything to do with it? She seems barely able to handle herself, and when the father was granted custody because the mother wasn't present at the hearing, regardless of misdirection, she didn't appeal, and hasn't sought custody since.

All of these people are not too bright and have histories of drug abuse. They even appear now to exhibit behavior reminscent of the disconnection from reality and human emotion such a situation would dictate.

Pertinent here is that all search efforts have been suspended. This is quite telling in that suthroties must believe their perpetators are not "out there," but are within the circle of those closest to the child.

why is it that every-time you see the mom and dad on the news , they can never look at the camera, they always keep there head down maybe they do really know where the little girl is and if looking into the camera that people will see they are lying. and why don't we see the girlfriend anymore, are they just keeping her out of the pic. to make peple think she had more to do with it than she is tellng, was she home or did she leave the door open so she could hear them if they called out for her? Maybe she wasn't there when Haleigh got up and she went to look for Misty ? who is i Tennessee

When I was 17 I might want to BABY SIT a 5 year old, but as far as help raise a 5 year old? NO thank you. Seventeen is way too young to have to bring up a 4 and 5 year old. Why didn't the LOVING grandmothers take custody or at least be at that home every day keeping an eye on those children. The two grandmothers are now on Nancy Grace acting like MOTHER OF THE YEAR. If my daughter's kids were taken away and had to live in a trailer with their dad's 17 year old girlfriend, I'd be fighting it. Everyone has 20/20 vision after the fact; why don't people start to be pro-active instead of re-active. This little girl deserves better and so does the brother.

In most abduction cases I have seen televised, the police and search parties stay with the search for weeks looking for a body. In Haleigh's case, very little is mentioned about looking for her body. Do the police suspect that the child is probably still alive and abducted by relatives, or probably hidden away by the abducter, God forbid. But there are many cases of child abduction inprisoned in basements and secret dwellings. Are they looking for these tips?

why on earth would you have someone in your home that sexually abused you as a child knowing he or she could do that to your child,or (step-child) sexually abused children try to live a happy, normal life but, it haunts them everyday of there lives, why do this to another child?????

The authorities are quite silent on this entire case which leads me to believe that they have a pretty good handle on who their suspects are. In every missing person case I've ever seen, the alerts and seaches last for weeks or even months before they are suspended.

I think the interviews conducted with the many predators in the area convinced the authroties quite early in the invstigation that this was an inside job.

First, listen to the 911 call where Misty says to Ronald...
"I just woke up". You can hear the whine, desperation, confusion and fear in her voice. That desperation was clear and an honest expression from a teenager who is half asleep and scared. Misty's expression was as authentic as Ronald saying he was going to kill the person who took his daughter.

Someone stalked Haleigh. I don't know the position of the home's entrance and exits, but using the backdoor could have been part of the perp's plan. Maybe there was no lighting on that side or end? Maybe the backdoor was not as visible to other homes where neighbor's could see anything? Not only was Misty & the kids and Ronald stalked, but so were the neighbors and neighborhood. The scenario is too methodical for this crime to be an impulse crime where you might suspect the a/c guy who was at the home the day prior to Haleigh missing. How would the a/c guy know where the children sleep or that Misty was caring for the children alone every night while Ronald worked? Also, it doesn't make sense that Misty's cousins were involved. They had access to Haleigh already. People close to them knew Ronald had a gun and a temper. (I am still suspicious of Misty's cousin who supposedly stole the gun days before Haleigh's disappearance. It's not because of the gun. It's because he fashions himself out to be a rock star/musician/gangbanger.
I think he likes himself a little too much and could be jealous of Haleigh's beauty and innocence. Or maybe he mistook her affection as sexual? Still I'm feeling he wasn't the perp because the crime seems methodical.)

Between the hours of 10pm and 3am, someone abducted Haleigh from her bed. I kind of feel like Misty woke up around the time 'something was not right'. She may have heard non-familiar noise in her sleep. Of course, I don't get why there has been no mention of nightlights for Haleigh since she is afraid of the dark and she has a urinary condition and would wake up wet sometimes. Was the kitchen light on for Haleigh not to be scared? Did the perp know she was afraid of the dark? Lots of people wonder why Misty waited until Ronald got home to call 911. I wonder why Ronald did not grab the phone and call 911 himself? He is the parent not Misty.

If I were close to the family
and knew them, I'd advise them to recall anyone who may have visited their home as a friend of a friend. This is who I think the identity of the perpetrator is.

The news reported that one of Ron & Misty's neighbors was hanging out clothes and Haleigh hugged her. That sort of shows that Haleigh wanted adult attention and her stranger fear may have been low.

I think the perp intentionally had Haleigh make a footprint in the dirt for K9 dogs to scent and he purposely walked her to the railroad tracks and then picked her up and carried her in a circle or back tracking path and that's why the dogs lost the scent. The news reports are inconsistent.

Did Haleigh fall into the water or did someone jump on a train with her? Did the perp want everyone to think a HOBO jumped off a train and abducted Haleigh? I'd like to know if the train track by Ron & Misty's house is active and if so, what was the train schedules that night? I'm sure the perp knew.

The perp is skilled at stalking. The perp focused on Haleigh. She fit his criteria. There is no ransom note.
Nothing else was taken from the home. A cinder block propped the back screen door open. The kitchen light was on.
Haleigh did not just vanish into thin air. A person picked her up and carried her out of the house.

A visitor to Satsuma, a friend of a friend of Ron & Misty's
is my suspect. I think Haleigh is alive, but being primed.
She is in shock. The perp graduated past molesting and actually abducted a little girl. I want to say and believe she is alive and the perp has given her a babydoll to play with while figuring out what to do next. The fantasy has come true and now the reality kicks in...what happens next?

All I can hope for is that Haleigh will wander off and lose the perp in a crowded public place.

Cindy - I sgree with you.

To take it one step further, I would be very interested in that cousin of Misty's that "messed with her sexually" when she was younger.

Keep in mind that she is only 17. So to say that she was messed with when she was "younger" gives me chills.

It's very interesting that a gun turned up missing.

Ronald accused the cousin of taking the gun and asked him to leave.

Next thing you know, Haleigh is missing.

Much too coincidental for my liking.

As far as the poster who mentioned that being labeled a "sex offender" is hardly a big deal, I disagree.

I would bet that most of those 44 sex offenders in this 5-mile-radius have done a little more than just "dated" a sophomore while they were seniors.

If the bio mom was 14 when she had this little girl, why wasn't daddy put in jail for statutory rape? It's a law that when a girl under 16 gives birth the police have to be notified. SO????????????????????
I'm from Florida guys and there a lot of very poor areas in this state, but the laws apply to the poor also. I'm still disgusted with the fact that the PREDITOR who lives less than a mile from this little girl is not in prison. PREDITOR is just that, he has been labeled as a constant danger to those around him. Where is the justice here?

Has anyone besides me heard of the possible sighting in west Knoxville, TN yesterday? The cousin who "messed with" the girlfriend is from TN. Does anyone know what part of TN he is from?

After seeing the dads latest plea it sounds af if he's talking to someone he knows. I think they have figured out who has her and are closing in. For some reason I believe she is alive and as an earlier poster said abductor doesn't know what to do now. Dad isn't crying anymore and it seems he's been told who has her. I also think law enforcement is telling them not to talk so they will not jeopardize finding her. At first I blamed Misty, but now I think a family member or friend has her. I just pray for her safe return.

I'd also ask Ronald if he noticed anything out of the ordinary on his drive home and through the Hermit's Cove area at 3 am.

Did he notice any cars leaving the vicinity of his street
or parked anywhere unusual?

Really diabolical and calculating perps love to flaunt their crimes under other people's noses to prove how much smarter and intelligent they are. Maybe, it's a powerful thrill?

>>I've noticed on this board that people seem to be mixing
up Haleigh and Caylee cases. We were told the story that the 'nanny kidnapped Caylee'.
Give Ronald & Misty the benefit of the doubt. They are not even similar to Casey Anthony. Casey Anthony was the perp.

So what if Ron & Misty smoke. If they are pacing around in the yard it's because the cops will not let them go out and search for Haleigh. And crying or tears?
How do you know that Misty does not bust out crying randomly or cry herself to sleep when the cameras aren't trained on her? She must feel a tremendous amount of GUILT for this crime happening on her watch.

My ex-husband's 6 year old neice was kidnapped off a babysitter's front porch. She was last seen wearing roller skates and eating an apple after school. The perp killed her within 30 minutes by bashing her head in with a rock
at a remote location on the outskirts of town. He'd sexually assaulted her, too.

He was my next door neighbor. He had 2 children himself and
a pregnant wife. He was unemployed. His last known employment was as a mental health counselor. My sister-in-law, the child's mother was having an affair with him. I watched him casually act as if he had nothing whatsoever to do with the crime. He became a suspect and the cops babysat him at his house next door to me.
After they arrested him officially and promised not to give him the death penalty if he would tell where her body was, the cops found our little 6 year old niece. She was covered up with leaves in a wooded area.

We spent 10 days with our lives on hold, searching everywhere and we handed out flyers and held candlelight vigils and prayer groups and there were all kinds of rumors flying around and theories being talked about. Newspaper reporters and helicopters became a familiar part of life.
You get a sick feeling in your stomach and the nervousness makes you want to throw up.

You can't go backwards or forward.
Time stands still until you know where the child is.

The FBI surrounded our house and the house next door about a month later. A woman's body was encased in the concrete floor of the basement. I lived next door to an axe murderer.

Crime can happen to anyone. It doesn't matter if you live in a mobile home or a mansion.

TRW:
The cops have the parents make their pleas on camera to "humanize" and "personalize" the communication so that if the perp is watching he feels some remorse or regret and returns or lets the child go. That's why it seems like Ronald is talking to someone he may know.

Do not agree, you are sick.

The person who who abducted Haleigh is sick.

Methinks the girl and her cousin from Tennesee partied, leaving the kids in the house. When she returned, she passed out either drunk or high in the bed, and he left out the back door, leaving the block there so he could come in later and retrieve Haleigh.

I think this same guess card was pulled when Josie Bennett was murdered. The child wet the bed, so mom gets frustrated and accidently murders her child when she punished her for it. The media is the only thing screwing up Misty's statements. If you've watched Misty's interview you will see she has the same story each time, and nothing changes. Father does seem controlling, but those were real tears of loss, and not guilt. It's easier to point the finger at the family, because it is too difficult to believe someone could take your child away. This family has been too cooperative with the police for me to think for one second that they had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. I do think the cousin is a suspect. Misty said he "sexually molested" her when she was younger. They need to investigate him some more.

I just would like to know more about the possiable siteing in Tenn!

I kinda though that Croslin may have stepped outside for a smoke or to visit w/someone, Just because, the light was on, door proped open, Thought maybe, Haleigh woke and went looking for Croslin; thats would explain the light,door proped (weight of cinder block: I wonder if Haleigh could move it) She may have? (my 4 yr old would copy me if he saw me do something like that) Re: prop door to go smoke etc.... he would work hard to do it too.. I understand the dogs tracked a scent to the river then to a shed and then on to a circle rd , back close to the trailer then on to road for the RR crossing; then the foot print. Sounds like she went looking for Croslin....(my 4 yr old is afraid of the dark but, he would still look for me! dark of not) She more than likely was in the wrong place @ the wrong time, someone saw he and prented to know where Croslin was or just took her... maybe who knows.. Dear God, I hope I am wrong about Haleigh's safety.. Please bring her home safe and sound...Bless these families!

I don't want to be really harsh on Croslin cause, I know what it feels like to have a family member steal children and what it feels like to have to tell the other parent involed and have to take the blame and suffer the reprocussions of the stealing parent and the innocent parent and police. I was the person caring for the children, taken @ the time. I was in total shock and scared to death for everyone. So, scared I couldn't cry; I had to hold it together in order to give all the info I could..

BTW what is Dominic's last name/ when was he taken or how close did he live to Haleigh.. 2 children missing close together in towns and time.. sounds kind strange to me. Guess I didn't hear about Dominic till reading these post.
I do know about the little boy in Immok,Fl last month...Think his name is something other than Dominic...?

Oh yeah, my 2 cousins were returned safe and sound after a trip from IA to FL. re: my previous post.

My niece has Turner Syndrome. It is usually detected as a young child (under 3 or 4) or when they reach puberty. My niece is 17. She is in all honors classes. I was wondering how old is Haleigh's dad?

Eyes ... I have to wonder if the father, and girlfriend are sending mixed signals .... or seem like they are to you because of the fact that they are so uneducated. I'm sure the addition of drugs doesn't help either. I've read that a persons social, and emotional growth is stunted at the age they were when they started doing drugs .... those two are behaving like young children. They may both have been abused themselves at one time or another hence the fathers odd childlike emotional reactions. I am not saying they are innocent, but suggesting that they are not capable of being accurately read.
BTW ... I enjoyed your website ... very cool.

No name calling, but I think the two oldest living humans in that trailer home are responsible. I hate Nancy Grace's voice.

Forget the father, although plausible. The girlfriend did it, possibly with the assistance of the father. So give the girlfriend and the father life behind bars.

In light of the latest news about a criminal Uncle of the teenage girlfriend being in the Florida area at the time...sort of changes things. Quite a coincidence. I´m shocked to read that there are 44 pedophiles in the area....are there that many creepy people??? Strange and awful case with alot of very culturally deprived people involved..My vibes go towards the young girlfriend and her surroundings. Why would the courts leave 2 children with 2 grown up children who cant even get them to school....what a mess. Girlfriends Uncle maybe??????

In light of the latest news about a criminal Uncle of the teenage girlfriend being in the Florida area at the time...sort of changes things. Quite a coincidence. I´m shocked to read that there are 44 pedophiles in the area....are there that many creepy people??? Strange and awful case with alot of very culturally deprived people involved..My vibes go towards the young girlfriend and her surroundings. Why would the courts leave 2 children with 2 grown up children who cant even get them to school....what a mess. Girlfriends Uncle maybe??????

In light of the latest news about a criminal Uncle of the teenage girlfriend being in the Florida area at the time...sort of changes things. Quite a coincidence. I´m shocked to read that there are 44 pedophiles in the area....are there that many creepy people??? Strange and awful case with alot of very culturally deprived people involved..My vibes go towards the young girlfriend and her surroundings. Why would the courts leave 2 children with 2 grown up children who cant even get them to school....what a mess. Girlfriends Uncle maybe??????

In light of the latest news about a criminal Uncle of the teenage girlfriend being in the Florida area at the time...sort of changes things. Quite a coincidence. I´m shocked to read that there are 44 pedophiles in the area....are there that many creepy people??? Strange and awful case with alot of very culturally deprived people involved..My vibes go towards the young girlfriend and her surroundings. Why would the courts leave 2 children with 2 grown up children who cant even get them to school....what a mess. Girlfriends Uncle maybe??????

I completely disagree with the ArmChairSlueth and thank god she's not the investigaotr.

The bedwetting theory is ridiculous in this case and I feel Ronald Cummings is innocent. He may have his faults but he didn't kill her. Whoever took her had supplies (tape, rope, duffle bag, etc) already placed across the street, near the lake. He could not risk his car being spotted. The abductor immediately ran across the street into the woods with her, he most likely threatened her to be silent and she would comply, being fearful.

In the woods, he then subdued her and did not kill her. Possibly even used chloroform, sedatives, etc. He put Haleigh in a duffle bag or something similiar to hide her in. He then walked out to the edge of the woods/street line and past her mobile where he put her in the car, out of neighbors view. The bloodhound also proved this.

I cannot help feeling it was someone who was in the mobile with Croslin. There is no way the lock was picked. The police said there was no forced entry. Who is the landlord and who had access to that deadbolt?

The answer is with Croslin. Any 17 year old needs companionship and friends to talk to. She was either gone, set Haleigh up to be taken, or flat out lying. She knows something.

One more thing, I heard Crystal (bio Mom)talking last night on TV. She said, "I hope Misty didn't have anything to do with it (disppearance), my kids loved her". Well, I hope Haleigh is alive, to hell with Croslin. The kids know her that long! Kids play well with other kids and have no judgement on people who are plain bad people, even family members. With the lack of their mothers care, they probably loved the neighbors, the mailman and whoever spent a minute with them.

WAKE UP Crystal...for ONCE - stick up for your daughter. She was the last person to see Haleigh, possibly alive. When are you going to get mad????

We need to concentrate on getting this child home. Birth control comes to mind. Love you, Haleigh

I could not find an Amber Alert for Haleigh in TN. The current alert says nothing about a TN sighting either.

Anyone who can't believe courts would let these people raise kids has never worked in a school.I was a truant officer in a poor rural area once upon a time and I saw things you would not believe....makes these people look like leave it to beaver.

Hey did anyone notice that the father's sister was on the nancy grace show tonight with a new hairdo? If my niece was missing i dont think I'd be going and getting my hair done as she obviously has from when I seen her last week and I would not forget this madussa hair style...I guess her priorites are too look good for the camera or so she thinks she does...

All i can say is both the father and girlfriend look
to me like drug users..and what type of people are
mostly likely to do these things to children most of the
time druggies and the people they hang around..very sad..

I just heard from Geraldo on a interview that the dad
has a history of domestic violence that the child would
miss lots of school..Geraldo suspects it could be the
father now i am starting to wonder..if more is behind
this case..

I agree with amazesme. what kind of person gets their hair done while their niece is missing?

Where is the biological mother

I do not know where to start!!I have a 7 year old-never have left him with anyone other than my mom or grandma, while I work-I am a social worker "DO NOT TRUST ANYONE WITH MY BABY", I am an older mom, became pregnant in my late thirties. I have step kids that are teenagers, I would never leave my child in their care. Babysitters need to be responsible and have CPR certification(just in case), especially in the care of a child with a disability. And with the things I have seen, the truth can be far worse than a fiction novel.I think that the dad should have left the children with his mother(the children's grandma) if possible, that would have been the best option. Of course being the parent's were young, the grandparents may have been working as well..usually it is someone close to family!

And as far as perps go, I have a friend(we'll call her MS. B) that was molested as a child, she said she thought she could pick out predators..Her 4 year old went next door to play with the next door neighbors 5 year old inside the home, the 5 yr old parents were present. He was only there for 30 minutes at that time. Later (ms B's child) started acting out, I will not elaborate..Apparently the 5 year old's 15 yr old brother pinned him down..even with the parents there..this had happened 2 times previously..then other kids in neighborhood started talking! And it was speculated that he also done the same to his brother & sis! His record is sealed because he (the predtor)is under-age, and at 18 he will be free to do this to other children! It is up to us(as parents) to protect our own! Even dogs protect their pups better than some humans protect their kids, it is very sad! Lack of supervison & irresponsible parents! I do hope the child is found alive & well!

and to clarify what i said"usually it someone close to the family"! It has to be someone familar with the area, and knows that the father works at night, and the GF is there alone. It is someone that has been there before and is comfortable, apparently knowing where the children sleep..I am suspecting that GF may have had company or be involved or uninvolved..at 17 yrs of age, may have had friends over at the house partying since her man was working! Put the kids to bed and was enjoying having a place to invite friends..she could have been impaired and passed out, woke up child was gone!! who knows!!

Wow, where do I start??? ok here goes.."According to Police Report, Haleigh has Turner Syndrome. I cannot comprehend this (uneducated)Father and a 17 year old girlfriend dealing well with a condition such as this." how do you know he is uneducated? Did you read this somewhere or are you just assuming this due to the fact that he lives in a trailer out in the country?? And maybe you all should stop judging this girl on her age. Just a thought. My mother had my older brother at the age of 17 and guess what? He graduated from the Naval Academy! That is right he is a huge success. She was 17 and he did not turn out hurt , harmed, or damaged from it! Not that I wod have choosen that life but who are you to judge? Have you been called to serve on a jury? Last I heard she was spotted in Tennessee, and let me ask this did that caller know someone that might be in Tennessee could have her because I live in jacksonville and I heard nothing on the local news about it until after the sighting! Not to mention I live in St. Johns county and see many of the cops from my area and the have not mentioned one word about Tennessee until after the sighting. Also "THIS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND IS SCARED TO DEATH. SHE AND RONALD SHUD HAVE BEEN HELPING LOOK FOR HALEIGH INSTEAD OF WALKING THE YARD SMOKING. " I am a smoker and when I am stressed that is when I smoke so maybe they were simply smoking and there is nothing more to read into it! "WAKE UP Crystal...for ONCE - stick up for your daughter. She was the last person to see Haleigh, possibly alive. When are you going to get mad????" what the hell is wrong with you people???!!! She is mad look at her eyes! what good is getting mad going to do anyhow?? Will that bring Haleigh back? NO! ok .."Why would the courts leave 2 children with 2 grown up children who cant even get them to school...." well really in the stae of florida a child is not required by law to attend school until the age of 6 THIS I know because my child was sick at the age of 5 and missed 4 months of school during her medical care.
I THINK WE ALL SHOULD PRAY FOR HALEIGH AND STOP MAKING JUDGEMENTS , OH AND ONE LAST THING JOBS ARE BEING LOST EVERYDAY IN THIS COPOUNTRY SO I HOPE NONE OF YOU HAS TO LIVE IN A TRAILER GOD FORBID I EVER CALL YOU NAME SLINGING PEOPLE "TRAILER TRASH"
He is a hard working Dad and at least he is not living off the system! I think he deserves something for that! And when everything comes out I think we will all be suprised a bit! I also think that this world is cuel unfair and we all need to think before we speak (aka type)!

Wow, where do I start??? ok here goes.."According to Police Report, Haleigh has Turner Syndrome. I cannot comprehend this (uneducated)Father and a 17 year old girlfriend dealing well with a condition such as this." how do you know he is uneducated? Did you read this somewhere or are you just assuming this due to the fact that he lives in a trailer out in the country?? And maybe you all should stop judging this girl on her age. Just a thought. My mother had my older brother at the age of 17 and guess what? He graduated from the Naval Academy! That is right he is a huge success. She was 17 and he did not turn out hurt , harmed, or damaged from it! Not that I wod have choosen that life but who are you to judge? Have you been called to serve on a jury? Last I heard she was spotted in Tennessee, and let me ask this did that caller know someone that might be in Tennessee could have her because I live in jacksonville and I heard nothing on the local news about it until after the sighting! Not to mention I live in St. Johns county and see many of the cops from my area and the have not mentioned one word about Tennessee until after the sighting. Also "THIS YOUNG GIRLFRIEND IS SCARED TO DEATH. SHE AND RONALD SHUD HAVE BEEN HELPING LOOK FOR HALEIGH INSTEAD OF WALKING THE YARD SMOKING. " I am a smoker and when I am stressed that is when I smoke so maybe they were simply smoking and there is nothing more to read into it! "WAKE UP Crystal...for ONCE - stick up for your daughter. She was the last person to see Haleigh, possibly alive. When are you going to get mad????" what the hell is wrong with you people???!!! She is mad look at her eyes! what good is getting mad going to do anyhow?? Will that bring Haleigh back? NO! ok .."Why would the courts leave 2 children with 2 grown up children who cant even get them to school...." well really in the stae of florida a child is not required by law to attend school until the age of 6 THIS I know because my child was sick at the age of 5 and missed 4 months of school during her medical care.
I THINK WE ALL SHOULD PRAY FOR HALEIGH AND STOP MAKING JUDGEMENTS , OH AND ONE LAST THING JOBS ARE BEING LOST EVERYDAY IN THIS COPOUNTRY SO I HOPE NONE OF YOU HAS TO LIVE IN A TRAILER GOD FORBID I EVER CALL YOU NAME SLINGING PEOPLE "TRAILER TRASH"
He is a hard working Dad and at least he is not living off the system! I think he deserves something for that! And when everything comes out I think we will all be suprised a bit! I also think that this world is cuel unfair and we all need to think before we speak (aka type)!

just a side point, for those of you who do not know. I am educated in both the Montessori, as well as the Waldorf methods of educating. As a result, I have pulled my 4 and six year old child out of school, for I believe that I can do a better job than a public school. This is not truancy, it is my right as a parent who cares about a good foundation.

Haleigh was age 5, which, technically, is "pre" school. School does not count until first grade.

So the truancy thing does not fly.

That said, I hope these two were not attempting a homeschooling endeavor.

ok i had a few typos ..Iguess my anger got the best of me! Let me tell you that my Dad lives in a trailer. He is uneducated. He did not raise me I was raosed by my mother and step-father. But having met him as an adult I wish I had grown up knowing him. I would have been proud to be his daughter for he is far kinder than anyone I have ever known. And I think Ronald Cummings loved his daughter, I believe they all love her why ele would they sleep in tents when family lives right up the road??

The last article the 'girlfriend' reported Haleigh wearing was 'street clothes'. She mentioned a shirt she was wearing. But if she put the child to bed for the night it would seem to me that the little girl would have been wearing her pajamas. And if I lost one of my children, I would not be waiting around for help on a search, I would be down at that river and out in those woods every second of the day. No tent house or trailer for me, I would be out looking non-stop!

Lets wait that someone in the family that loves this little child tell police what could have happened. Haleigh we pray for you everyday.

did anyone else pick up on how the bio mom first said on nancy grace about the dead bolt on the back door and then a few days later she said on nancy grace that she had never been in the house. Also why does she always say she doesn't know things about her daughter. How could you not know why your child misses school.

I think we must not forget first and foremost to keep Haliegh in our thoughts and prayers. Her safety is my number one concern.
I truly hope that if since LE has cut back on some of the searches then they have some suspects in mind closer to home.
My gut feeling from day one has been that Misty is not telling the whole truth of what really happen that night. I hope, I am wrong. I feel she is afraid of Ronald, it seems obvious when they are together in interviews,to me at least.
I just pray LE can get to the bottom of all the stories,untruths real soon,and find this precious little girl.I hope then she is placed with whoever is found to be the best most stable family situation for her and Jr.

Totally believe that "armchair sleuth Curiosityhasme" and Geraldo are onto something. Due to the history of bio dad and molested girlfriend - believe they conspired to cover-up the accidental murder of Haleigh over bedwetting. Believe after he murdered, they threw the body in the river and went over their story several times. He went to work as usual as an aliby, and they spoke via cell phone before he arrived home after 3:00. From there, wer are watching acting out, with inconsistencies from the get-go. The father has slipped several times and overstated "I'm going to kell..." "I'd give my life to have my daughter's LIFE back" HE KNOWS SHE'S DEAD BECAUSE HE KILLED HER. According to Geraldo, he has a picture (from LE or family member who thinks perp is bio dad?)which FOX news is holding from being presented so that LE can proced with case. However, bedwetting IS indeed the single most cause of child beatings/death as known by experts. And yes, with her truancy, proof of child abuse(Geraldo's picture), girlfirend's ever-changing account of events as they occurred and no signs of forced entry....they are most likely framing her visiting cousin who has an even worse record than bio Dad. Two-week old gun incident has bio dad mentioning "retaliation" to throw investigators off him and onto other scum. May be logical to the families and outside observers to contemplate this possibility along with "a sighting" - but I would want to question the party who did the sighting and check out their credibility as well. Believe if Ronald Cummings mother didn't work for the sheriff's department, he would not have obtained custody of childrren, he would have been arrested many, many more times for assault/abuse and this accidental murder of his daughter would never have occurred. The law enforcement is trying to cover their own behinds as they sek to charge the father...and that's why more delays than usual IMHO. Drew Peterson had law enforcement look the other way too...and two women were murdered. Welcome to Boss Hog Country.....Small-town law enforcement should hire dispatchers with no crimeridden family members. Welcome to Boss Hog Country...Yee Haw.

there is no question in my mind that the cousin "joe" took
Haleigh. He was in the trailer that night, probably unlocked the back door knowing he was coming back later. He has a history of abuse. He has not contacted Misty since the abduction. He lives in Tennessee. A man and child resembling Haleigh were seen in Tennessee. The man was driving a car with Florida tags. He probably rented or stole the car before going back to Tennessee. If I were the father I would be driving to Tennessee to find this "joe".

in regards to the Tennessee sighting, I live here in Knoxville and it was reported on the news that a little girl matching Haleigh's description was sighted in West Knoxville with a white man and woman driving a red Toyota Rav4 and it appeared they were trying to shield the little girls face from view, thats all tht has been reported here so far, the police have also questioned the cousin but no details on that either

I highly doubt that this cousin, if in fact he took the child, would risk being seen at a popular local restaurant with a child that he knows has an Amber alert out for her and authorities everywhere are looking for. Pedophiles don't usually work that way. They hide their victims out, usually lock them up in a room somewhere. Just doesn't seem logical to me at all. The whole abduction while girlfriend is sleeping scenario doesn't ring true either. Unfortunately in this case, there are just too many "suspects" further complicating an already complicated case. I just pray that this child is found soon-----alive.

Hi Native Texan - I think that it is very possible that pedophiles would take their victim to a restaurant.

Remember the Dylan and Shasta Groene case??

Thank God Joseph Duncan took Shasta to Denny's for a bite to eat...otherwise, she would never have been seen alive again.

The cousin, to me, is the best bet here.

He was there a day or two before Haleigh turned up missing. He likes to mess with little girls. He is no longer there. And neither is the little girl.

If he is anything like his cousin Misty as far as brains go, he is certainly not apt to do what "most" pedophiles do. And I would doubt that he's following coverage of this.

not to be stereotypical here but the cousin doesn't fit in with the norm that is West Knoxville, neither do I but that's neither here nor there, the Carraba's eatery where the "sighting" took place is right off the interstate but a bit confusing to get to if you're not a local anyway might point is why would the cousin choose the Italian restaurant that is difficult to get to over the quick and easy drive thrus of the fast food joints on the other side of the freeway and FYI you see just as many Florida and Texas license plates here as you do Tennessee ones so a Florida plate isn't that uncommon

Darby, you bring up a valid point about the cousin and as far as coverage goes here in Knoxville if it doesn't involve the Vols it's nothing more than a 30 second spot

i cant believe how mean people are these days! this family needs prayers and support right now . i hope none of you are ever in the publics eye . whatever may have happen we will find out in time . none of you have any idea .please lets send positive thoughts out there . lets pray they find this baby alive . cummings family i am praying for haleigh every night .i hope she is home soon!

I also live in East TN and have seen little coverage of this case on broadcast tv. If the cousin does indeed have her, and was here in town, he'd probably feel comfortable going out in West Knox to eat. West Knox is pretty populated, very easy to blend in.

Kat you make a good point about the Carraba's. If they were just passing through on the 1-40, somewhere like I-HOP would be a much more likely place to get a bite to eat. Could have been meeting someone? Most times when you are unfamiliar with an area you stick to the restaurants that are listed on the exit signs so you can get right back on the road without getting lost.

Then again, it could have been someone else altogether.

My only point in doubting the "sighting" of Haleigh I suppose is just to not get hopes up. It seems like every time there are "sightings" of these precious missing children, they don't pan out. Like Maddie McCann, all the sightings of Caylee Anthony. All just bogus. They just get people's hopes up. The odds are usually against it. I know it is entirely possible it could be her, but I just doubt it. I know people will mention Elizabeth Smart, but if you ask me, that one was just blind luck. What are the odds? I know about the 2 teens too that were recovered, one after years of captivity. But sometimes these sightings are "planted" by those trying to take the heat off of themselves. Every time there was a sighting of Caylee it seemed like the information was coming from the Anthony's themselves and not from a legitimate law enforcement tip.
The longer this goes without recovering Haleigh the more I look back to that household for answers. Father, girlfriend, bio mom, someone within the family.

I don't think dad had anything to do with it. I don't like the term Trailer Trash. Come on folks just because they are less fortunate than some of us does not make them bad people. The man holds a full time job. OK, child abuse child neglect are two very different things. If social services is involved and thought the children in danger they would have removed them.

I think that the girlfriend does have something to do with it. All the stuff about the cousin coming out now. And um, he visited her the evening Haleigh went missing. If she didn't trust him because he had tried sex with her than why let him around her step children.

Yes Ronald sounded bizzare in the 911 call but he is a hyper lower educated man and they are known to talk that way. Sorry. But that is the way it is.

Misty, yes I think it will turn out that Misty or her associates had something to do with it. She is young and immature and that is a lot of responsibility for her.

I truelly hope they find Haleigh alive.

Oh and the missing so much school. Dad probably sleeps in in the morning because he works so late at night. Misty is a immature teenager that just doesn't get up and get her off to school in the morning is what I think. My opinion of course and I know lots of teenage girls and some are moms and they don't like to get up in the morning with their kids. No it is not right and I think they need to get their butts up and take some responsibility but this is the way they are.

Hey, I agree with the person who noticed the HAIR DO on the little girls niece. As if that's really important now when a kid is missing. I have to say, though I think it was a wig. But, priorities for some are not what they would be for most. It still bothers me that a PREDETOR lives less than a mile away. A guy I work with, his bosses little girl was molested by his FRIEND/ neighbor, the father of the little girl is a cop in Florida. He found the registry for all sex offenders, drove his children around the neighborhoods and pointed out each home to these kids. He told them to NEVER go near those homes. Also, another guy went around and actually sprayed orange paint on a tree near the homes of each offeder/predetor in his area. We all have to band together and help keep kids safe. I don't agree with Hilary Clinton's IT TAKES A VILLAGE too much, but in this case it will take a village to take control over these animals.. Why would anyone have a sexual interest in a child? It makes me sick.

I also noticed the new hairdo last night. I think it was her own hair but there was so much hairspray on it. It was a bizarre hairdo more suited for a prom than the search of your lost neice. wth was she thinking anyway.

I do want to say Thank you to the person whom stepped up and donated a camper for them to use. Obviously they can't go in their trailer and they can't afford to go anywhere else, not that I think they would leave the scene anyway. But I wondered why noone stepped up and did that and It brought tears to my eyes when I saw the kindness of the person that brought them that camper.

I also was thinking Misty reminds me of Susan Smith the way she acts but I just think some people have flat affect whether guilty or innocent. Still think she knows or suspects something more though.

I would think there would be epithelial cells on the cinder block that was placed in the door. They could be tested for DNA. I think it would be difficult to pick up a rough-surfaced cinder block and not leave those cells behind.

Margaret... you watch too many CSI !

When is the police next press conference ??

Most likely they know (the police)who did it but are waiting for more evidence to make their case airtight. Remember Casey Anthony. Every fingers were pointing at her long before she was charged. She was also charged before the body was found.

my gut feeling is that haleighs mother had something to do with this. if ronalds mother would not help with the children, he found someone that would, she happen to be a child herself. ronald and gf appeared to be on drugs. if the gf was on drugs the night haleigh was abducted, maybe thats why she didnt wake up. the investigators should have drug tested those two on the spot. ronald looks as if he has cleaned his act up since this first happened. if haleighs mom did have her kidnapped, she needs to step up and set the record straight. the money the county is spending on searchs and investigation. i am praying for little haleigh and her family. i hope she will be found safe. god loves us all, the weak, the strong, poor and rich.

Here's the deal- both parents have drug problems, but somehow the mom gets court ordered rehab. When they split up, the dad is able to use that against her to get custody. As she likely has no income, she can't afford to fight it. He moves in this 17 year old - no one in this circle is shocked by this (not even the 17 yr old's mom). The 17 yr old enjoys playing house with this guy, he probably makes more money than she's ever known, and they party all the time. The reason the bio mom knows the house so well is because he is probably fooling around with her again. She probably hopes they'll get back together and she'll be able to raise her kids again.

No one involved is really saying all they know because they are all deep into a drug culture and saying too much might implicate too many people. The "investigative" reporting going on here kills me. Most everyone they've interviewed has been on some type of drug - probably oxycontin and soma... God only knows who all comes and goes in that house.

I just wanted to say that after reading most of the postings here, I didn't see where anyone said they thought these families were uneducated because they live in a mobile home. I think the reason we think they are not highly educated is due to their grammar. I also think they are getting less media coverage in comparison to Caylee Anthony because of this. That is sad to say, but (IMHO) I think it is true. I just hope this changes and they increase their coverage until Haleigh is found. I also wish Nancy Grace would spend more air time on missing children instead of focusing on the Casey Anthony drama. We know where Caylee is, so who cares what Casey's diary says. Let's find other missing children. I just felt like ranting I guess, so thanks.

I just watched the Geraldo episode. I used to like him. It is so obvious that because bio mom is willing to run her mouth and put ronald down Geraldo is eating it up. It was so on her side and beleiving everything she was saying. I am not saying Ronald is the perfect person here but just because he isn't standing around badmouthing bio mom like that does not make him guilty. Bio mom hasn't shed a tear yet that I have seen yet she is going on and on about how bio dad has fake tears. I have never seen so many people in one place that all have that flat affect as if nothing is going on. Well actually dad is the only one showing emotion and quite honestly the way Geraldo was talking to him and in his face I am surprised that as "abusive" as some want to claim he is, he didn't haul off and hit Geraldo. He was more upset that people were badmouthing him rather than look for his daughter. And if he is a drug informant than that Crystal just put him and his children's lives in more danger by blabbing that. I think bio mom is just very bitter that he got the children and she did not.

The dad had just enough sense not to haul off and hit Geraldo--that would have been enough to have gotten him arrested for assault and he would have been hauled off to jail---he probably then would have set the stage for himself to have been questioned for hours on end--he might have eventually broke down and at least told some of the truth...I think there is a very dark past in the family that is being with held from public view.

I wonder if the RV provided to the family is actually a way for the authorities to get more information? Could it have been bugged before being delivered to the family?

I really want to believe Ron Cummings didn't make Haleigh disappear. It's hard to though. All things point back to him. His interview with Geraldo was very revealing, if you know what to look for.

To Haleigh's Dad, you POS: Gone, baby, gone. Ring a bell? Go and rent the movie. Maybe someone saw how you were treating your daughter and decided to step in, or, it could have been some of the scum you keep company with. I'm sure you're guilty of all the abuse that's been alleged by the ex, I've been in her shoes and I know you, pal. You're a liar through and through at best, at worst you're to blame for what's happened, directly or indirectly because of how you live your life.

Family Services-approved spankings? Are you kidding ?!?!?!?! Well, that proves they've been breathing down your neck, if you now know the "correct" way to beat your children.

I'm not surprised, as others seem to be, that you haven't shown your true colors on camera; it takes a real man to face down another man, and only sociopaths and narcissists will take their frustrations out on helpless women and children, whenever they can get away with it - been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. Kudos to Geraldo for getting in your face. Those who know can see who you really are.

Your GF is a real piece of work, too. Another fake-a-roo. Personally, I think she's to blame here, but you share a lot of the responsibility because you let her near your kids.

I really hope that poor little Haleigh is safe, and will eventually have a better life (read: away from you) out of all this.

I have visited alot of other websites on this subject, trying to take in all other points of view without prejudice, assumptions, and judgement. I have not even watched one episode of Geraldo. But I just keep coming back to this family, Haleigh's immediate family that was around her when this happened.
The impending court date the next morning, Feb. 10, in which her father was supposed to appear to answer for why she had missed so much school. This seems to speak the loudest to me. The timing is just too coincidental. I also took a look at the father's rap sheet and it is very disturbing. This man was arrested for possessing the date rape drug. Date rape drug? A father of two with a date rape drug? Seems almost impossible to believe but it was there in black and white. I tried very hard not to let education, economic status or anything else influence my thinking. But this man definitely has a dark side and I am afraid Haleigh may have been a victim of that. I pray that I am wrong, but there is so much that points to that. That coupled with the ever changing stories of who did what when and who was where when. Too too many changes in the story.
I just hope for all concerned this will be resolved soon.

Does anyone know if there was an explanation given for the bandage on the back of Ron Cummings neck in early video?

Gee, Miss Trust. Hostile much?

Regarding the bandaid on the back of his neck, I am sure LE was all over that. At first I thought maybe he had a not so nice tattoo he was covering for the cameras, or maybe someone nicked his neck shaving his hair for the cameras, or, you know the other possibility.

Why are so many people so ignorant? There is no need to call people trailor trash, I have dear friends who live in one and they are not that. People say he is on drugs, are they with him when he's doing them? He is the only one who has real tears, his ex is almost as cold as Casey Anthony. He has the kids because the ex missed court, she's only had 3 years to fight to get them back. I,m not sure of the gf, that's iffy, we will see about her. I truly believe the dad is not involved. I bet half of the people writing blogs are not the perfect people, they act like, everyone has skeletons in their closets.Anyone who doesn't know the dad should keep conments to theirselves, there are reasons he has the kids and not mom, and not because she missed court!!! There are alot of uneducated people in the world, god don't be so mean to people going through hell!!! Geraldo is a a..hole, always has been, he has been caught in alot of lies, just to get a juicy story started. The focus should be on Haleigh and finding her, not playing he said, she said in the media, until we learn the FACTS. If you read about turner s. it causes bed wetting in a high percentage of cases. Haleigh sure looks happy in her pictures for being abused, she definetly isn't withdrawn looking, get the facts from police before saying she's abused. Lets hope and pray for her safe return!! Thank You for letting me vent.

I have been following case since day 1 and keep going back and forth on this. First, I don't think Ron hurt her and IF he did it wasn't in the home with her little brother there. I do think Misty was not home and a family member/friend took this little girl. I think this family needs an attorney to step in and keep them from talking to the media. I dislike attorneys but feel one is needed here in order to help these poor people. I also like Geraldo but think it was wrong of him to stir up trouble. I'm glad him and his brother are investigating but find it unnecessary to make parents turn on each other. Also if I remember correctly Ron was arrested in 2005...4 years ago!! If there are no recent arrests and that was the most recent shouldn't we give him the benefit of the doubt that he has changed? I hope and pray that this little girl is found alive and brought back home. I also hope someone steps in to help this family and keep them informed on the investigation and keep them from talking to the media.

One other thing....One of the tv stations (can't remember which one) actually found and interviewed the cousin "Joe". He told them that he was questioned a WEEK ago. He said this on Thirsday or Friday. So obviously LE knew about him from the beginning. I think there is so much here we do not know about and LE is keeping tight lipped on this case for a reason. "joe" might be new news to us but not to LE.

Hey all;

I don't think the police trust what the girl friend is telling them. I don't think she had a direct connection with this little girl going missing, but I don't think she was at home at the time of the abduction. She's clearly petrified of the little girl's daddy, remember on the 911 call he said "how you let my daughter go missing bitch" which I can understand, but, I think this is regular speak for him toward her.

I am now nearing 50 and I remember my teen years. IMO, Ron is only slightly more mature than 17 yr old Misty. When a person starts chronic abuse of drugs, they stop developing emotionally at that age. I know plenty of 40 and 50 somethings that still do coke/pot/etc.
That isn't to excuse it, cause I don't like many of the changes in our culture today either. But each new generation usually tries hard to "out-do" the previous generations in their departure from the norm. JMO
I am sorry but I do not find Misty or Ron credible at all. Ron was working the 3pm to 3am shift. Misty had just been picked up by Ron after going off on a several day binge.
When people use drugs and alcohol together, they often experience blackouts. IMOO, Misty is in this category.
I once was myself. I did things in my teens and early 20's that I never recalled doing. I have seen Ron's records for possession of drugs several years ago. What scared me the most was the MDMA (ecstacy) and the methamphetamine (causes delusions with repeated use) and then for an opiate.
My first thought was, this all seemed to relate to one arrest with him being in possession of a plethora of drugs. Then I realized that opiates could indicate many things related to heroin.
Being of that certain generation, I have seen my share of people go on methadone to beat opiate addiction, either to heroin or the synthetic forms found in pills. IMO, these people, who often remain on methadone for years or for life, exhibit some of the troubling aspects seen in Ron and Misty's demeanors. Especially the dilated eyes and slow response time of Misty.
Methadone is a very abused drug today. It can be found everywhere, since the govt. oversees the clinics that give it out.
I think methadone is playing a part in many of the family members in this case and that LE is very aware of this.
JMOO

One last thing about my line of thinking. If Ron and/or Misty were clients at a methadone clinic, this could not be disclosed due to Hippa privacy regulations.
Notice how Ron and Misty repeatedly said "THAT door is always kept locked". Emphatically.
You can't get your methadone for carry-outs unless you have your own private mini lockbox with you. And that is one LOCK that they would be sure to keep locked. A small amount of methadone can kill a young child.
Lastly if either/or are on methadone, as has been suggested elsewhere, then they could both honestly say that they do not do drugs. Because methadone (opiate) is legal at the clinics. Around $11 per day for a patient. It causes dilated eyes, memory loss, exhaustion and confusion. However, Ron or anyone on methadone with a legal right cannot be excluded from employment based on testing positive for methadone. IMOO, Ron was not aware that Misty had left his lockbox (not his door) unlocked when sneaking a wafer of methadone. Explains her confusion and guilt.
JMO and based on experience and a few local tips.
Haleigh needs the truth today.

I'm sure I'll get tarred and feathered for this, but I don't think Misty or Ron had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. I'm reading lots of things about how key players keep changing their story, and how suspect it is that the shirt Misty thought Haleigh was wearing when she went missing was later found in the laundry, and that it doesn't make sense that the kitchen light was on. I see lots of fingers pointed at Misty for being involved. Then, RJ's story of the "Man in black" taking his sister really throws a wrench in things. But the next breath is that RJ was told to say that.

Misty says that she woke up and saw the light on as she was on her way to use the bathroom. She realized something was wrong and found Haleigh missing. Many are speculating that Misty possibly hurt Haleigh for wetting the bed. Isn't it perfectly possible that a 5 year old girl could get up because she had to go to the bathroom, and have an accident on the way? Isn't it possible that she changed her shirt on her own? Maybe Haleigh was thirsty and went to get herself a drink and spilled on herself?
Isn’t it entirely possible that someone had snuck into the house for unknown reasons, possibly to steal possessions, and when Haleigh turned on the light, the perp panicked and hurt her? The perp could have snuck in the front door (maybe that was unintentionally left unlocked, or maybe it was easier to pick) and the back door was unlocked from the inside because it was closer to a vehicle, or because there was a ramp that they could carry her down instead of trying to carry her down the stairs for fear of dropping her. Maybe RJ woke up to someone unlocking the back door, thinking it was daddy, and saw someone carrying his sister away. I have no clue about the block, because I don't know if it's from their yard or from elsewhere. If it's from their yard or a nearby yard, then I'd say it was not planned.

I see people writing “Wouldn't Misty have heard something, wouldn't she hear the floor squeaking?” Honestly, if you're accustomed to someone getting home or moving around in bed, or a myriad of other things, you learn to sleep through those things. When you're asleep, you have no concept of time. You can't tell if a noise is happening at 10 pm or 1 am. My husband wakes up 1 hour before I do and I sleep through his alarm. I’m in my late twenties and I can sleep through a train for gods sake, because I’m used to it. If it were my daughter crying, however, I’d be up in a heartbeat.

I feel sorry for Ron and Misty. They are uneducated, poor, and they are in a lower class community. Speaking from experience, people with that background, really don't have the skills to articulate well. I don't think their stories are changing, I think because they lack education, they lack confidence in a lot of areas - including their recollection of events. Maybe Misty doesn't think she's remembering right. Maybe she's beating herself up about this. Not to mention that Misty, Ron and everyone else has had time to talk to each other, to dream about it, to be interviewed lots of times. It would only make sense for stories to change after all that input. Not intentionally - not in a way to confuse law enforcement or hide something. It's just what happens as a person tries to make sense of a terrible tragedy…especially when they’re young and naive. I think we need to give Haleigh’s family a break and focus on finding Haleigh instead of finding someone to blame.

Misty and Ronald are hiding something. They both knows what happen to Haleigh. If the media accused Misty - the girlfriend of either not home watching over the stepdaughter or anything, now something happened to the daughter, don't anyone noticed Ronald is not upset with Misty. If my child went missing on my watch, my husband will divorce me and it is my fault for not taking care of our daughter. It is sad that it happened to Haleigh. I hope is she is alive and will be found soon. I also hope she will be with a better "PARENT". Look at Casey Anthony's case. After her killing her daughter, she still denies what she has done wrong. I strongly feel, that Ronald and Misty are the criminal in this case.

Your assumptions could be pretty spot on! I never had a good feeling about these two from the beginning.

Does no one else here remember the way Anna Nicole Smith appeared on the "clown face" video while pregnant and on methadone?
Look at Ron and Misty's facial expressions and unidentifiable speech patterns once again.
See it?
The dilated eyes and the marshmallow affects (esp of Misty).
IMEO (in my unfortunately educated opinion), these two are abusers of methadone.
There is talk of this in the community, and I would like to see them both tell the truth about the trips to the clinic. It's legal and it can help one keep custody (and Ron had a couple of arrests involving opiates). It also is cheaper than buying lortabs or oxycontin. Crystal (who admitted to using drugs) said that Ron also liked "phenpops". Those are lollipops of opiates for cancer and other patients.
He got caught. He needed to work. He took the route of going legal, declaring himself an addict, easily testing positive for opiates, and got on the clinic program.
Sad sad sad.
JMHO

Another thing that pist me off, everyone is saying to back of from Misty and Ronald and end the accusation. If Ronald wanted to find his daughter, then let the police and all the volunteers to do their job. Everyone is trying so hard to look for this girl, but they need a link to locate this girl. If Misty and Ronald is afraid something might come out, then Haleigh will be the one to suffer. If they both are willing to tell the police yeah maybe they did argue with the cousin about the gun and then he threatened to kill Haleigh, that is what the police need to know to find her quickly. I really think Misty and Ronald need to come out clean.

DOES ANYONE THINK ABOUT MAYBE INVESTIGATING THE MOTHER.. ON HER MYSPACE SHE REFERS TO HALEIGH AS A BRAT.. AND ON HER SISTERS COMMENTS CRYSTAL THE MOTHER OF HALEIGH SAYS SHE IS GOING THROUGH WITHDRAWS SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS THE ONE WHO HAD THE DRUG PROBLEM..

AND THE FATHER MAY HAVE ISSUES HIM SELF BUT HE WAS OBVIOUSLY WORKING TO SUPPORT HIS CHILDREN AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS SAID ABOUT HIM THE MOTHER ALWAYS SAYS i heard this and that BUT WHEN ASKED SO WHY OR WHAT DID U DO SHE SAYS NOTHING BC SHE DOESNT GET INVOLVED HER SELF SHE JUST GOES OFF OF JIBBER JABBER SHE HEARS FROM WHOM EVER. ALSO ITS NOT HARD IF U GO TO DRUG TREATMENT TO TAKE THE TIME TO ASK THE COURT FOR JOINT CUSTODY IF U CAN PROVE TO HAVE CLEANED UP UR LIFE. SHE IS ALWAYS SNIFFLING AND SOUNDING CONGESTED SHE IS THE ONE WHO LACKS TEARS NOT RONALD I SEE TEARS EVERYTIME AND ANGER AS ANYONE WOULD BE IF THERE CHILD WAS MISSING http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=395122639

I think there should be a law if any parents who have a drug related records, the child should be taken away, although they should have special rights to see their child, not having the child living with them. Anyone who have drugs in their system are considered to be brain damage or sociopath. They might be okay today but they can be crazy tomorrow. So I wonder, the mother is/was drug user probably that is why she doesn't have customer over both children, now what makes the dad gets both children. He is also a drug user as well. Look at Misty picture taken last week smoking - is that marijuana? My point is all of these young parents are so young and stupid. They can't take care of themselves and their kids are the ones to suffer. Look at Casey Anthony, pictured with her daughter so happy and beautiful together. Then one day she is known to be a sociopath and turn crazy on her daughter. I was happy when I saw those pictures, but when I hear all these horrific things she did to Caylee makes me puke.

Ok, the "man in black". Here is what makes no sense. The little boy was sleeping in another room, how did he see who took Haleigh if he was in another room?

nycestgirlevr said:
What the hell is wrong with you people???!!! She is mad look at her eyes! what good is getting mad going to do anyhow?? Will that bring Haleigh back? NO!

WOW - I am on the MOMS side. VERBATUM - Getting mad WON'T bring Haleigh home - quite obvious to the most illiterate.
However, I wouldn't be huddling & cuddling the man who punched me in the back of my head - nor the girl who was responsible for my daughters care. She was the last person who saw Haleigh. It was her watch. She ALSO allowed a man into the home who sexual abused her! Would you be crying in her arms?

nycestgirlevr said:
I also think that this world is cuel unfair and we all need to think before we speak (aka type)!

AND WHILE YOUR RUNNING OFF YOUR HIGH LIST OF MORALS
Did you read what you wrote? Since when is cruel, spelled cuel? Don't worry about what other people are judging - you just judged everyone here. LOL

i personally think the mother is using this sad situation to make up shit.. i mean she is the one who said the little boy said the man in black..and why did the mother wait for something like this to happen to "lay out the truth of whats been going on" and i dont think the girlfriend could have possibly been home for all we know she went out that night and propped the backdoor open her self to stage that someone had come in she probably doesnt even have a key to the house so had to leave the door unlocked and was using the back door being propped open to follow her story in my opinion had i woke up to find my boyfriends child missing he would be coming home from work to a house full of cops not sit there patiently waiting for him to get off work so he could call the cops its all abunch of bs and none of it is helping find the missing haleigh

although ronald may be very illiterate as well as many people in that town appear to be as none of them speak correct english. Ronald has not been arrested since 2006 and for all we know the dcf could have been involved in the case because he had a child girlfriend babysitting his children who knows.here is the link to his last arrest record http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930
i believe the girlfriend knows more and knows who may have taken the little girl. I know all too well about the bitterness of being with a man who has children with another woman. my x husband was with a young girl who hated my daughter just because she was not his and her child. so i believe the girlfriend may be a jealous little slut who used the night shift to go out and get high her pupils were so dilated and u could tell it was not from crying

Personally I don't think that the dad or girlfriend have anything to do with this.

I remember being a VERY heavy sleeper at 17, however if we are accustomed to waking up at the same time every day, we very often just do that. If Misty is used to Ronald coming home at 3 am she could have just woken up (maybe she does every night) we don't know.

As for the back door. How do we know the kidnapper did not come in the front door (if it were unlocked), propped the back door open so that it would be easier and quieter for him to exit while carrying a child? OR could this kidnapper had intentions to come back and get the little boy so he propped the door open for easier access and was scared off when Misty woke up? Seems to be a possibility to me.

I also think that whoever has done this really did his/her homework. Reports today say that the little boy was reported saying a man in black came and took his sissy. In black at night...sounds planned to me. What better family to target than the one that has three "kids" home in the middle of the night alone. Easy target unfortunately.

The bio mother is really raising questions for me. First off why doesn't she have custody or at least joint custody of her children. If she suspected that Ron was abusing Haleigh in the past why didn't she report it or petition court for emergency custody? Why does it seem like every time I see her on television she is spending a lot of time bashing Ron? I'm wondering where her priorities are and what her intentions are? I do not think that she has done anything wrong to Haleigh BUT is she just looking for an opportunity to make herself look good because she has something to hide? As for the bed wetting, I was a bedwetter until the third grade, had a urinary problem...never was abused sorry.

I hope that they find this poor little girl safe and sound. I also hope that the family has nothing to do with it. After little Caylee Anthony I think we are all getting very suspicious of the family by nature. The major difference in this case is that the family, including both sets of parents and their significant others are in full cooperation so far. All have taken polygraphs and there has been no release of information stating that any of them have failed one.

Have either the father or girlfriend been blood tested for drugs before the polygraphs? Just because you pass a polygraph, Don't mean you are telling the truth, been many people that have passed polygraph tests because they were high/stoned.

There is something about bio mom that I can't put my finger on. She appears to be lying when questioned, shown as covering her face, averting her eyes, not fully answering questions, and burying her face into her mother's chest at one point to avoid talking. What if she was the one stalking her ex and kids? I don't know if something doesn't seem right with bio mom because she is not mentally sound, or if it is because she has something to hide. I agree that the person who took Haleigh had to know the area, because I believe that they would have been noticed. I'll throw this out there, what if the girlfriend and bio mom were in on it? Maybe. I'm kind of thinking that the girlfriend left the home for a long time and stalker mom saw an opportunity to take the daughter to "safety." She may have not taken Junior because she didn't have time to or maybe because he didn't have an illness or wasn't having problems with school attendance or something and didn't need to be "saved" as immediately as Haleigh. I don't think the girlfriend intentionally did something, but I do think that she did something that created a chain of events that lead to he disappearance. I also agree that the police are being very, very smart about this disappearance and are keeping information very close to the vest. I pray that Haleigh is safe and will be found healthy and alive very soon.

There is something weird about both girlfriend and real mother..
Why have I not seen her bust out and cry like a real mother thats scared for her childs life would?

Something about the girlfriend and her whinning/fake cry
To me it seems, shes hiding something.
Can't really tell if the dad has something to hide or not, It is hard when both are most likely on drugs by how they are acting.

If I were the law I'd have all 3 (Father, Mother and girlfriends) blood taken and tested for drugs + polygraphs taken (If and only if the blood test comes back negative )

Miss Trust: I love your post! And I agree with you 100%. Ron and Misty have been WAY hinky from day one.

I believe bio-mom Crystal is telling the truth about Ron's abusive nature. Crystal is no angel herself, but, according to public court records, she tried to file an order of protection for herself AND the children in 2006, but the court dismissed it for "lack of evidence" (no fresh bruises that day, I guess). However, she did not ever "lose custody" of the children, as has been reported by some, nor was she ever deemed an unfit mother. She and Ron have SHARED custody, with residential custody going to Ron. And the story about him having a job and being able to provide insurance for the kids, which was even reported in a Florida newspaper, contradicts the court record, which states that the children have Medicaid insurance and both parents are to continue to provide Medicaid for the children.

I think Crystal has finally found the courage to speak up because she feels Ron and Misty are not telling the truth--and kudos to Geraldo for trying hard to shake something loose there.

The very first thought to cross my mind when I heard the bio Mom talking about wanting her baby back, sobbing with no tears was SUSAN SMITH. She sounded and looked exactly like Susan Smith did when she had drowned her little boys. I smell a skunk here.

I disagree with this senario. If this was anything like the Caylee Anthony case, then Ronald wouldnt be oit searching for his daughter. Geraldo rivera the other day asked all these question to the bio mom and confronted ronald. What he shouldve done was ask him the same questions and then asked Bio mom what her answers were.

As far as child abuse goes. Ever wonder why the father has custody and not mom? Florida DCF would never give full custody of both kids to the father If there was any indication that he has ever hit her or the mom.

As far as the ather's eyes being red and possibly drug use. Ever thinbk he's Tired and exhausted from searching for his girl? If my nephew ever disappeared i would not sleep till I knew he was ok.

So think really hard before you make accusations which may or may not be true. this family has gone through alot.

From day one two things have bothered me most. The fake sounding whining the dad does on the phone with the 911 operator when she is asking him to give the phone to his wife. She has to ask more than once which seems like he is trying to show her how upset he is. I have been around psychopaths in my lifetime and saw them fake stuff like this. And the girlfriend and her "tears" is the other thing. Notice how tight she squeezes her eyes to try to get what little bit of tear out of her eye that she finally mustered up. Trying to show the world she is crying because either she is guilty of something and trying to hide it by seeming like a normal person who would be freely crying or is it she doesn't care what happened to Haleigh but wants the sympathy from others. Seems awfully odd to me. I have seen people fake crying before and it looks just like this. If they are truly innocent of wrongdoing i will apologize now but man oh man it sure doesn't look like it.

I remember way back in the beginning it was brought up about junior seeing men in black. They said maybe he was confused with officers at the scene wearing black. May have seen it on NG.

After reading some more comments i have to post in response to what i am reading here. The aunt getting her Medusa style hairdo as it was called was really in poor taste at this time, and I'm sorry, but i thought of Medusa myself when i saw it and wondered why on earth she cared how she looked for the camera when her niece is missing! I don't get it.

Both the dad and girlfriend say Haleigh was in school that Monday. They can ask neighbor kids if they saw her come home.So that shouldn't be a huge issue to prove or disprove.

The cinder block could have been placed there if this was a stranger abduction for the purpose of keeping the door open so it would be easier to carry her out of the house as she may have been expected to kick and try to get free. Ever try to carry a kicking child around while horse playing with them? Could have had a hand over her mouth to keep her quiet but it would be hard to do that AND keep her from kicking and flailing at the same time.

The pink top could have been discarded at any point in time. Maybe she got up to go potty and took it off for whatever reason and dropped it there in the hall where the dirty clothes were.

As far as judging these people. That is not my intent, nor most anyone else's either. My intent is to do the same thing the police are doing...speculating on theories and pointing out obvious trouble spots in behavior of any and all parties. Some of the discrepancies could be due to education , sleepiness , being overwhelmed , exhaustion , stress etc. But at the end of the day there are things that just dont add up and look really really bad for the dad and girl friend. I hope and pray they are NOT guilty of anything. But most of all i pray that Haleigh will be found soon and found alive like Shasta Groene was rather than the way Caylee Anthony was...Shasta was gone for 6 weeks. So there is still hope. Those who pray please do so.

To answer someone who asked for the definition of trailer trash...Anyone calling all people who live in mobile homes / trailers / manufactured homes obviously has never priced the newer ones nor seen the 2 story ones. Most these days look a lot like a regular house and are made with good materials and start at about 90 thousand dollars for a 3 bedroom. That being said...trailer trash typically means undereducated , alcoholic/drug users , with little to no income because of laziness and no desire to better themselves , who's kids are typically unwashed and left to their own devices , with the 1.2 dogs chained in the yard and a leaking roof in an old falling down trailer house with junk cars around etc. You get the picture. Not everyone living in a mobile home qualifies as trash. Trash is as trash does.

honeslty; i think the mother has her.
becuase she said during her visitation her son told her a person in black clothing came in and took her. 1. haleigh woudve screamed if she didnt know the person. meaning shed have to know them otherwise they wouldve heard something. 2. the mom probably doesnt like the fact that she has to have visitation and not custody. 3. how else could the person have gotten in wihtout the girlfriend noticing?

and if she wants haleigh back so badly, why isnt she going to question her son?

crystal sheffield (bio mom) is 23! not 19 as someone posted earlier! please get facts straight! you people are quick to judge! i highly doubt ronald blew up and murdered his daughter...please people have some compassion...

I have looked at the bio-mom's myspace page and there is one thing that really disturbs me is the fact that she has a ton of pictures of her new baby and a few of butterbean, but all together she has about 5 of Haleigh. She has more pictures of her boyfriend and friends than of her missing daughter. I have 3 kids. on my page I have hundreds of my kids. and if my daughter was missing i would absolutely lose my mind. And if me and my daughters dad were not together and she came up missing while in his care or his girlfriends care i would have gutted their throats. I would be all over them. And as for the father well there is way too much to say about him and not enough room. I would say it was a drug problem that caused all this mess. Does any one remember Danielle Van Dam? Her parents were into swinging and swapping sex partners and having sex parties in their home and then the daughter disappears out of her bed in the middle of the night, later to be revealed she was taken by a man who knew of this lifestyle and wanted a piece of the action but the mother turned him down so he did it as retaliation. He too left the door open. Parents need to be held accountable for their decisions that they make because sometimes bad things can happen to the ones you love because of those choices. And of course in both cases innocent little girls were the punished. When this is finally over I think that 3 people need to re-evaluate their lives.

i BELIEVE HER DAD IS GUILTY BECAUSE HE DOESN'T APPERA CONVINCING THAT SOMEONE ABDUCTED THIS CHILD.

I don't think that Haleigh's mom has her.

What would be the point?? It would be counter-productive to steal your daughter only to have to hide her...

The mom lives full time several hours away from where Haleigh was abducted, and it's not like she's gone back home. She's staying right down the street from Ronald and Misty, in the trailer park, waiting for Haleigh to be found, so if she took her, that means that she's hiding her out with somebody else, which wouldn't make any sense.

She has also has stated that she has taken and passed a lie detector test.

So I hear that when law asked for bio moms DNA disappeared ?

Sorry typo, She disappeared ^

I THINK THE BIO MOM MAY KNOW SOMETHING AND WHY IS SHE ALWAYS SNIFFLING AND NOT JUST SNIFFLING ITS ALWAYS ONE SIDED SNIFFLING HINT COKE HEAD SNIFFLING .. I KNOW MY MOTHER IS AN ADDICT AND THAT IS SO LIKE HER. BUT YEA WHY WOULD SHE NOT WANT TO GIVE DNA ONE OF TWO REASON BC SHE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT OR BC IT WILL SHOW HER LONG LIST OF DRUG USE..

A worried mother without anything to hide in the case of missing Haleigh would provide a DNA sample to Law enforcement regardless of drugs being found in her system.

I really don't think the father could have anything to do with Haleigh. Yes, he has temper, but that doens't mean he would kill her. His statement to the 911 op that he will kill whoever did take her, well I know as a parent that would be my feeling exactly. I think neither he nor Misty is well educated, but that doesn't mean that their child abusers. Take a good long look at the bio mother. She has done nothing but try to make the father look bad, but then why is she letting Haleigh live with him. I was married to an abuser and fought hiim in ccourt for 2 years so my children wouldn't have to be with him. Come on can't anyone see that she is doing this intentionally. Then to top it off she takes off to an appt when they need her DNA? We have seen to many times these wacked out mothers who kill their children. Also, didn't she owe child support? Has anyone bothered to ask why little Haleigh isn't in her custody? All I have heard is reasons the father is so bad, but what's the mothers history? At least he tring to provide her with some kind of normal life. About the drugs, didn't the police report NO DRUGS WERE FOUND IN THEIR HOME?
Maybe he did drugs before, but he's working, thaking care of his family the best he can. He can't be a worthless drug addict and still hold down a job. I think they need to just focus on finding the little girl dead or alive so these people can start the healing process,. Aring all the dirty laundry on each other is only going to complicate the situation.

Parent makes an excellent point about bio mom. Why would she continuously bash Ron yet continue to let Haleigh live with him? I do not know if this version is true or not but someone asked why she let him have custody and it was because she "felt sorry for Ron". What?
I did at one time think she might have been involved, but she is no more suspect than any of the others. Unfortunately for Haleigh, there were no real adults looking out for her. That is why she is missing. I don't care whether Dad has a job or not, it does not make him a responsible parent. It takes more than just a job to responsibly parent children.

I understand that the father was "outraged" on the phone with 911 but as a father, I'd still be outraged, I would find out one way or another if someone has failed the polygraph tests and would not stop till I got answers..

Just because law enforcement did not find drugs in the house don't mean they did not get rid of it before law enforcement showed up..

As I said before though, The bio mom is not acting like a mom who lost her child would be, They need to keep an eye on her and get that DNA sample

No more of a suspect? Come on, lets be real, In stead of giving the DNA sample to law enforcement, She went to a "doctors appointment" instead..

I think Misty left the trailer for awhile to go party. She knew she had a window of opportunity from the time the children fell asleep, until Ron got home from work. I think Haleigh awoke to find herself alone, with no one there but brother. She went to the back door, which had been left open(unlocked) so that Misty could sneak back in. She opened that door and went into the yard. An alligator was in the area (they are very plentiful there). They are more active in the dark. He drug her to the water. Read about them. I hope I am wrong, but this is as likely as any theory.

only because my daughter went through similar circumstance do I understand why Ron had the children. Crystal left a controlling husband with her children, she let Ron have visitation and he didn't bring them back. My daughter's x would go to their school and take them while she was working over and over again and tell her she wouldn't see them again unless she came back. Her attorney advised her to take the children where he wouldn't find them.That was before she went to court. His mother works for the sherriff's dept. and court papers went to the wrong address(imagine that)he was granted custody and now people wonder why Crystal is mad!!! I would be too, he got custody, suppose to be living with his mother, he moves out, lives with 17 year old girlfriend who may or may not have been home that night and her child is gone.I know none of this matters but I understand her. I thought at first maybe she did take them, I know we thought of doing the same thing.possible scenario:Crystal has someone go in to get kids, takes Haleigh, props door open to run back in to get Jr. Jr wakes up and turns on light, person gets spooked and leaves with only Haleigh, the shirt bothers me only a mother would worry about changing her child's dirty shirt not a SO. But she passed the poly so now I am back to square one. I hope and pray this child is still alive and safe.

Maybe, just maybe, this was a game of "Hide & Seek" gone horribly wrong. We don't know. We weren't there. Let's wait until all the facts are in.

Lets all pray for Haleigh. I wish the FBI , Police or who ever can find this little girl soon.If she is alive is she afraid ? With someone she knows? It's so sad. My Heart goes out to Little Haleigh.

The contempt of court charge was laid by the State against Crystal for non-payment of child support, not against Ron. Just a F.Y.I. for the poster who stated that this is one of the reasons he/she believes Ron to be guilty.

first the bio mom said she had been in the house and could describe the lock on the back door, then a few days later she said she had never been in the house. Then in regards to custody she first said it was because a fake address had been given, but then a few days later on a different program she said it was because Ron had a job and she didn't. So which reason is it. Also a work in a family court and I have never seen a judge deny custody for either of those reasons.

sorry typo I meant to type "I work in a family court" LOL

After reading a few of these comments I am amazed at how many people can be so high and mighty. So many of you are quick to call this family "white trash". I only ask that before you hit the post button, look at yourself in the mirror and ask what image do I give other people. I would also ask that before posting please check your spelling.

Let's face it. Ron and Misty and Crystal all have used drugs and drank. They appear to have intertwined relationships throughout the whole extended family.
Ron and Crystal's marriage didn't last. Crystal did use drugs. She probably did want her kids with her, because that is what mom's are supposed to do.
Surprisingly, she does not show for court dates.
Then,if Ron gets the kids, she doesn't have to actually care for them, just blame Ron and his mom working for the sheriff department. This from Crystal's my space page.

Ron probably did hit Crystal. Maybe while on drugs or just because he seems to get mad easily.
Ron used drugs, maybe even sold drugs, per his arrest record. Maybe he even was a police informant, in trade off for no jail time. Maybe he cleaned up his act enough that he could get a good job. I read he has only had this job for 3 or 4 months.
Ron did want the kids. Maybe he thought Crystal would not be a good mom. Maybe he just wanted to tick Crystal off.
But, Ron chose a 17 yr old girl friend, Misty. Misty was to take care of the kids, laundry, cooking, cleaning, getting Haleigh ready for school. I read that Haleigh had required dr visits monthly for shots, related to her Turner Syndrome.
Misty just has that slowed down look of someone who has been abused and drinks and does drugs.
I think that Children's Services does have a family plan for Ron and kids. Halieigh doesn't make it to school on time or is allowed to stay home one too many times. So, Ron has to appear in court and explain all that. He even tells Crystal that he could be put in jail because of Haleigh's school absences.
I think Ron still uses drugs on occasion. I think he drinks sometimes. Probably smokes dope. I think Misty does too. When this happened, Ron had just brought her home after she was gone on a 3 day drinking binge.
And yes, I think Crystal does drugs also. Crystal is not working. Her mom says she just can't find work with the economy the way it is. Well, the economy is bad. But, I know she could get on at a fast food place or as a telemarketer.
My personal opinion: Someone came in and abducted little Haleigh. I think Haleigh is no longer with us.
I think Ron may have an idea who it could be. I think Misty is afraid she does know. Maybe her cousin or someone around that area. Maybe Misty knows she left the door open or unlocked while she went out to see friends and drink.
Her looks of guilt could come from that.

As for them being 'trailer trash', I do not like that term.
These people became involved in sex and drugs early on, and did not get a lot of education. It does not mean they don't care for their children. They love them. Sometimes they like the drugs a litte more.
We are just getting a microspcic view of their lives.
How many of us could stand up to 2 1/2 weeks of everyone in the nation judging us and our past and all our relatives?
For myself, I had a baby when I was 18, just out of high school. I was a single parent. But I went to work as a motel maid, then to college, then worked as a secretary and then as a case manager. I never smoked or did drugs.
We are all different.

Crystal didn't leave a controlling husband. She has never had a husband. Ron & Crystal didn't have a marriage so it couldn't have lasted one day.

Ron and Crystal never lived together. Read the custody hearing transcripts. Crystal tells the judge that Haleigh lived with her some and Ron some but that Jr has only lived with her.

There is a lot of misinformation posted here.

Absolute rubbish. Curiousityhasme is jumping to all sorts of conclusions that are not at all based upon fact but pure conjecture. Everyone wants the dad or the dad's girlfriend to have "done it". Why?? Dad was at work! Let me tell you MY personal opinion. Dad went to work, girlfriend got bored & either she called someone or someone called her or stopped by but however, it happened, girlfriend left the trailer for a period of time (putting the cinder block in the door so she could get back in - she admitted she doesn't have a key to the trailer) & when she got back just before the dad came home from work, Haleigh was gone. That is why her stories contradict themselves. Not because she had anything to do with her disappearance but because she doesn't want anyone to know that she wasn't even there. As for "father hothead" he does NOT have a "lengthy criminal history" and "domestic violence" the police stated that they had never been called to his home on any type of violence issue. NEVER. He is under DHS's watch only because Haleigh didn't attend Kindergarten as she should have. That can be explained as a tired dad who doesn't get up in time to take the kid to kindergarten & doesn't see what the big deal is about missing kindergarten anyway. Jumping to these types of conclusions is exactly why David Dowaliby was WRONGFULLY convicted of murdering his daughter. PLEASE before you spew such venom, google David Dowaliby and see where this type of witch hunt can lead. Sure, it's always fun to be an armchair detective but you have to remember we are talking about REAL people & their REAL lives here.

I am in agreement with Ernie about the scenario that Cristel was not at home when Haleigh disappeared. The going to the bathroom in the middle of the night story I believe was made up. The problem here is........who took Haleigh? Would she have walked out of the house by herself? Father and Mother both say she was afraid of the dark. It doesn't make sense that bio Mom would take only one of the children. I think we have to look at Cristel's or Ron's circle of "friends", someone who knew the children were home alone, perhaps that friend was even with Cristel & Co, then left and went to the house and abducted Haleigh. When a child says they saw something like " the man dressed in black", they usually mean it unless they were coached.

I wonder what you think NOW that

1) authorities are chasing the bio mom down for DNA
2) it's been released that bio mom is over $4,000 behind on child support payments and a court date had been set just days before the childs disappearance.

One thing, People forget what this is about, HALEIGH, Nothing else, We don't care if Crystal and Ron were married or not, If they did drugs before and what they had for lunch three years ago, we are talking about a little 5 year old girl that is missing NOW.. What you should be watching is how they are acting now that she is missing. Have some common sense people.

Oh my God, no!!! I just heard that some misguided people are leaving stuffed animals near the home of this girl. This is so sick!! Hasn't there been enough death? Why did these poor defenseless animals have to die? Just to satisfy some twisted idea of a memorial? Wake up America!! Animals have rights, too

wow n/c, that was dumb if I read that correctly.

#1 TO THOSE OF YOU WHO NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CASE, SUCH AS, "HAS THE GIRLFRIEND TAKEN A POLY," SHOULD NOT BE COMMENTING OR SPECULATING ON WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE SCENARIO. ANYONE TRULY FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY, KNOWS THAT SHE WAS POLYGRAPHED NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE, AS WELL AS TAKEN DOWN FOR QUESTIONING AT LEAST 3 TIMES. I HAVE WATCHED AND READ VERY CLOSELY SINCE DAY 1. NO WAY IN HELL HIS EITHER ONE OF THESE HILLBILLIES RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CHILD BEING MISSING. THE FATHER WAS AT WORK FOR CERTAIN. THIS HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED FULLY. THE 17 YR. OLD GF HAS BEEN CARING FOR THESE CHILDREN FOR MNTHS AND LOVES THEM. WITH THE DAD HAVING AN ANGER PROBLEM, DO YOU THINK THIS LITTLE TEEN-AGE GIRLFRIEND WOULD CROSS HIM IN ANYWAY IN TERMS OF HIS KIDS. EVEN TRAILER TRASH LOVE THEIR KIDS AND CAN BE PROTECTIVE PARENTS. THEIR ANXIETY AND FEAR ARE VERY REAL. SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THEM AND THE AREA AND THE TRAILER...SNUCK IN AND LURED THAT BABY OUT......A SICKO, AN ENEMY, A PSYCHO NEIGHBOR, WHOEVER. SPEND YOUR TIME AND ENERGY PRAYING THAT HE/SHE DOES NOT KILL THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRL, BUT EVENTUALLY LET'S HER GO SOMEWHERE TO BE RESCUED.

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REMINDER: No one has been cleared from the polygraphs.

To Paula, Wonder when the dad is going to show his "Outrage" you say he has?

Also, ALOT of us have been watching and reading since day one, do you know what I saw since day one? NO EMOTION FROM BIO MOM, VERY LITTLE FROM FATHER AND FAKE TEARS/WHIN FROM THE GIRLFRIEND, I'm not saying The bio mom, father or girlfriend has anything to do with the disappearance, I'm saying, I myself at this point is showing more outrage then the family.. Why?
Also, I would try to sleep at night and bust my butt to get answers in the day instead of hiding in the tent.

I just wanted to say that someone's grammer doesn't necessarily speak for their education, especially when you live in small southern towns. My children's pediatrician speaks as if he has never seen the inside of an english classroom.
Also, what the mother might be referring to about court if Haleigh misses any more school is that from the time you miss 4 days for a semester, you start getting letters threatening you because of excessive absenses. Four days could be one bought of flu, a funeral, anything really..
The fact that some have said it was probably too much for a 17 year old to handle and the comment that Misty was probably too lazy to get up in the morning and get her to school, can't co- exist. If it was too much responsibility, Haleigh would never miss a day of school... that would be like turning down free daycare for Misty!
Also, those of you saying "How could you not know where everyone was sleeping," and what's up with the conflicting stories about sleeping arrangements... must not have kids! I have three and wake up at least once a week with one of them in bed with me wondering why they are there. Which they usually are quick to tell me they had a bad dream and I said they could "crawl in." My son, also 5, has frequent accidents that I don't remember cleaning until a few cups of coffee and some time to "wake up."
I would also like to say that my little half sister who is 17 is having a baby and has a four year old stepson, and while I don't agree with her choices or my dad's choice to allow this, I also see a matureness in her that I myself didn't have until at least age 20.
I also wanted to put out there that 8 or 9 years ago a highschool diploma could equal a decent job, now I have returned to school for my bachelor's because my associate's barely gets me more than minimum wage. The standards of "uneducated" have changed. Does that really matter anyway?? Since when are education, wealth, or age factors for being a good parent or step parent? Is it easier with these things... maybe...maybe not... but from my point of view loving your child and making decisions on what is best for them is what makes a good parent.
Also, living in a trailer does not make you trailer trash...
your behavior, attitude, and chosen lifestyle makes one trailer trash...
Just some food for thought... and I pray that Haleigh is
found safe and sound... and pray her family had nothing to
do with it... I can think of nothing more fearful for a child than to realize someone you love and trust is not only
not going to save you, but is the one, or ones, who are going to harm you...

why doesn't haleigh's biological mother have custody of the 2 children?

the mother of haleigh and her realtives are all bashing the father and his side of the family. quit feuding and hold it together for the sake of the precious haleigh to come back safe. i think the girlfriend knows more than she is telling and i don't trust the biological mother either. why didn't she have custody of the children? and where was her boyfriend at the time of the child disappearance? have they searched the sex offenders homes and had dogs sniff their homes? i think the father is innocent.

To Jean from Kentucky, It has been confirmed that father was at work.
Law enforcement did visit all 44 sex offenders within the 5 mile radius from what I understand, As for the dogs sniffing the sex offender houses, Not sure But they did have dogs sniff around the outside bottom of the trailers in the area.

Something about this whole situation dosen't sit well with me.The girlfriend seem's to be hiding something.

Agreed.

I have 2 grandchildren, if they were missing I would be searching & calling their names at the break of every dawn til I could no longer see at night, the skirting would have been removed from my trailor and every trash can I walked by would be looked into, they would not be able to stop me from looking myself, how anyone can just hang out at that central tent is beyond me. I pray I never get the chance to know what a horrible thing this is to go through. God be with them all esp. Haleigh. Why does it seem this is becoming an epidemic with our precious babies?

Does anyone think its possible the bio mom and her 'fiance' took Haleigh off to some safe house out of the state in an effort to have the father lose custody of both kids? Seems everything was status quo until she got 'engaged'. Now the daughter disappears as we learn she is behind on child support. This might explain the mother's lack of tears - possibly she knows the girl is fine? The brother said he saw a man 'dressed in black' take his sister. If Misty was in the bed with the boy, did he wake her and tell her? Why is this just now coming out? How did the 'man dressed in black' wake up the boy, but not Misty?

Yikes. I just read on another site the bio mom had taken out a whole life insurance policy on both kids. WHO DOES THAT? Especially if you are strapped for cash and behind on payments. I have one on myself FOR my kids, but not ON my kids. That could be a biggie here. Crystal's mom also made a comment at one point she didn't think Haleigh was still in the state. That struck me as odd. Perhaps this whole thing is an insurance scam. In these economic times, there are plenty of those going on. I definitely think the little girl's disappearance is going to be linked back to a blood relative. I also think the mentality of the entire bunch does not lend itself to much empathy on the child's behalf. And I would also like to know who was babysitting the kids before Misty came into the picture. I understand she and Ronald have only been together less than six months. Does the previous babysitter still have access to the house? I doubt they change the locks everytime a caregiver comes in and out of their life.

I'm glad to see Debbie from Iowa and Kim commenting, I agree 100%, Good to see that some people have common sense :)

Was father a convicted felon? Felons can not own firearms...and federal laws say no one convicted of spouse abuse can. He boasted of having a 9mm gun to shoot the abducter with. Is this the same gun he was fighting over with a relative of Misty same day Haleigh disappered? Handguns usually cost several hundered dollars..if he was scraping by where'd he get the money for it? Was it cause enough for Misty's relative to seek vengence?

I read the documents. Was it Reina who said she worked in family law, and never heard of a judge awarding custody because a party didn't show up? That's totally wrong. If only one party shows, they automatically win - it's a default judgment. Chrystal got another hearing, but she was in a worse position than the husband because he had the kids. Not fair, not actually "the law," but judges are human, and probably the judge didn't want to upset the childrens' arrangement once it was in place. The father lied at the hearing, so I, at least, know the man is a liar. He told the judge he was going to live with his mother, who would be with the children when he was at work, and that he had aunts who also would pitch in. Instead, he has some 17 year old watching them. This was NOT the story he told that got him custody!

I can't believe anybody is buying into the "I passed a polygraph" nonsense. Of course they would say that! The police didn't tell them, or anyone else that!

People, stop calling the mother the "bio mom." She is their mother. I hear the geniuses on HLN are saying that. She is their MOTHER. Period. It's so sexist. No one ever calls a divorced, non-custodial father the "bio-dad." And it's harsh. She lost custody. She wasn't declared unfit, her parental rights weren't terminated, and there is no other type of mother in the picture. Misty? That girl isn't even an adequate baby sitter, never mind their mother; she has absolutely no legal relationship to those kids.

I am stunned at what people are willing to accept, just because someone says it. Dad doesn't have "an airtight alibi" by any stretch of the imagination. We have only their word as to when Haleigh "went missing." He could have killed her before work and to establish an alibi, they waited to call 911 when he got home. I don't know what happened, but so many of you are accepting their own allegations as FACT, and that is at best naive.

I am also surprised at how many are influenced by Ronald's histrionics. All that tough talk during the 911 call. Totally self-serving. A GOOD PARENT would realize he had to pull it together, and give 911 the information necessary to issue an Amber alert, and suck it up. Use his ears, and realize the person on the phone was telling him the police had already been dispatched. The tent is another act. Nobody does that. Man up, and go in the house. He's not thinking of his son's welfare at all. I am really interested to see what he does tonight. That huge weather system is affecting Florida. I live on the Gulf coast, south of where they are, and we have freeze and wind chill warnings tonight - I am sure it's colder there. Let's see if he can still not bear to go in the house.

One last thing. People who are complaining that you can't judge him. Well, yes, you can. We are responsible for how we are perceived. If you speak as if you are uneducated, it is your own fault if people perceive you as uneducated.

Suspicion seems to surround almost everyone in this case – father, mother, girlfriend, finace’ of mother, bio-mom’s mom. It seems no-one has hands clean enough to appear credible and cleared.

Theories are a dime a dozen. One thing seems clear, however. The scenario of events provided to the police by the chain-smoking teenage queen is a very unlikely one when held up to common sense.

NOT LIKELY-
-A complete stranger got into the house and Chain-smoker didn’t hear a single thing.
-A complete stranger comes into the bedroom and takes a 5 year-old child while a near-adult is sleeping right there. The consequences of someone waking up right then are far more serious than what most anyone in the world would be willing to risk. Can one even begin to imagine the un-godly holy hell that could suddenly break loose if you try to steal a cub from a mamma (biological or not.) No way; no way!
-A complete stranger knew where the light switches were in the dark, and turned them on – not worried about waking anybody up. No way; no way!

POTTY-MOUTH RON-

- Seemed to be playing to the tape (he actually mentioned that he knew he was being recorded) during the 911 call. Wow, he’s on the ball. He said he didn’t care if he was being taped and wasn’t scared to go to prison for the rest of his life.
- Was far too concerned with his own ego – he seemed to know who took the child and was really, really pissed. His death-threats were out of place for a person who had just had their child kidnapped, if it was actually a stranger abduction.
- This man has serious problems. He uses the word “bitch” to describe women as a regular course of his language. This man is dangerous and anyone who says that is judgmental is trying to be way too politically correct. He is a violent man with dark thoughts, no morals, and zero self-respect.
- Potty-mouth has been lying about known facts. He says he has no enemies. He says he has never, ever hit his child. He says he has never, ever hit a female. He says he has never taken drugs. Why is lying about obvious things. Next thing he’ll swear he has never, ever, ever said the F-word.
- Seems to enjoy situations where he is dominant. Only a perverted adult wants to have sex with little teenage girls. He is a creep no matter how you slice or dice it. If I were to find out he has a van with curtains it wouldn’t surprise me.
- Denied any argument with a cousin about a gun, even though it was his jail-bait chains smokin teenage queen girlfriend who told the police that the argument took place.
- Was un-cooperative and belligerent with the 911 operator. He was acting like he was in this great big panic, but was he exhibiting the personal activity of someone who was in a panic?

CHAIN SMOKIN TEENAGE QUEEN-

- Cannot get her story straight. Contrary to what some say, it is important that the last person to see the child is giving different versions of the same event. The truth does not change – it just doesn’t. With her, it does. The police keep taking her in and each time they probably get a slightly different story.
- (I believe) she came up with a “suspect” in the “Tennessee Pervert” who is the cousin she said hit on her once. I don’t think she told the police about the Tennessee Pervert the first time she was interviewed. It does appear however that she decided to suddenly mention him later. I almost felt like the police were getting close to her and she needed to create a red herring.

DRY EYED BIO MOM-

- Never seems to cry real tears. I saw her once where she was asked to make a public appeal for her daughter while on camera. She started, did it a little, and then started to “cry.” She laid her face on her mom’s chest that was standing beside her. They kept the camera on her (which at first I thought was tacky) and she kept whimpering and whimpering, but to tears ever came out of her eyes.
- Is acting weird about giving a DNA sample.

BIO-MOM’S MOM-

- Making weird statements about states that she thinks the little girl is in. She says “something” keeps telling her that. Oh, really? I wonder that “something” is?
- Makes heart-warming statements on behalf of her daughter to the media that her daughter had never made on her own. She told the media that her daughter had to go to the doctor because she was sick over the whole thing. She quoted her daughter as saying, “She said mamma, I can’t eat not knowing if my baby has eaten – I don’t know if they’re feeding her.” Really? That’s a little flowery since she does not even have custody of her own daughter and misses court hearings. It has to take some real effort to lose custody to the likes of Potty-mouth Ron. Now she’s Little Ms. Personal Sacrifice? Oh, really?

THE MYSTERIOUS FIANCE-

- Seems absent from the entire matter.

Navigator... thank you so much. Just reading what you wrote - the sense you make, and I have also commented it may be an insurance scheme. Perhaps they didn't think it would grow into such a media monster and now it's too late to turn back. I would be pissed if that were the case because they'd have been stealing precious air time away from other families who have recently abducted children, but I would be relieved to know Haleigh is alive. I have been so upset thinking of the fate of that poor little girl. After reading what you wrote, I will at least be able to sleep tonight, because I will cling to the possibility she is safe and just playing a role in a silly money-making scheme by some inbreds.

Why does it seem to be such a mystery about who was sleeping where? Do YOU ever wake up in the morning and not have a 100% accurate answer on this question? Or how difficult is it for someone to ask Misty,"were you home all night?" I have never heard that anyone has asked her that question, thats the first thing I would ask her if I were Ron. So many unanswered questions, anyway for the public, maybe the police have these answers.I just hope she is alive, but it is not looking very good, bless her little heart.

The following post is a bit long, but that is partly because it was originally posted in a forum I belong to and addressed to a specific person. I am posting a slightly edited version here. Also, it was written on 2/21/09 and since then some facts, statements etc. have changed. I am currently trying to find out the last name of the nephew, if he is a registered sex offender I would be interested in the pathology of his crime(s).

Just a reminder that the following is just one person's humble opinion and everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.
Even though the authorities are looking in many directions, they continue to reiterate at every press conference that NO ONE has been ruled out and EVERYONE remains a suspect. I may be way off base but I'll tell you what my theory is: The GF and the Father have only been together for about 5 mos. and yet within that time there have been investigations by CPS (records sealed-details unknown). The GF is only 17 yrs old and probably immature and not prepared to "settle-down" and be a homemaker & step-mom. Her immaturity would make her less able to cope with the daily stresses and less patient with the children. Taking care of a 4 & 5 yr old is difficult enough even if you are 30-something and the natural mother. She is still of the age where she would rather be out partying with her boyfriend/friends as opposed to being home alone at night taking care of the kids while her BF works the night shift. (I want to be clear that this is not an indictment of all teenage Moms, my opinions are specific to this particular girl based on her statements and TV interviews)
Some specifics that lead to my theory are: her various and conflicting statements/stories. Specifically the changing time-line, the gap (1/2 hr+-) between when she "discovered" the girl missing and when she called the police--which wasn't until she saw her BF pull up to the trailer. Also various other "odd bits" to that evening according to the GF: the possible bed-wetting (laundry done?), who got up first (the girl or the GF), the odd propped open door where the deadbolt shows no signs of tampering, there are other bits--too many to list them all.
Another issue I have w/ the GF is based on seeing her interviews and hearing the 911 call. She has a dull, flat affect and tone of voice when discussing the situation. What emotion she has shown seems a bit forced. When answering direct questions she looks down or off to the side as opposed to looking at the reporter or even into the camera. The contrast in emotions and answers between her statements on the 911 tape vs. the fathers. (With the father you can hear the panic and frustration in his answers to the 911 operator's questions)
Another issue I have with the GF is the "new" development of this mysterious "cousin" named Joe who was allegedly there that day. Who has a cousin that they know well enough to have them visit but they don't know the person's last name???? And yet while they don't know his last name they know him well enough to say that he is an alleged pedophile??? I just don't buy that! Another more recent development is the allegation that the GF wasn't even home for part of that evening. The slant on that seems to be that she was out for "social" reasons, but I think if she was gone it is for an entirely different reason all together.
So here is my opinion/theory on what may have transpired that evening. As far as the information coming from the GF, I have often agreed with the theory that when someone concocts a story/alibi etc. that they usually include a bit of the truth with their lies.

I think she did fall asleep in the same room or bed as Haleigh. I also believe she is telling the truth about the little girl wetting the bed. I think it is possible that at that point the GF lost her temper with little Haleigh for wetting the bed and lashed out at the little girl, fatally injuring her. I also think there is some truth to the allegation that the GF was not at home at some point in the evening (before 3a.m.). It is my opinion that she was gone from the home for the purpose of disposing of the little girl's body. I also think that her doing laundry and the odd business of the door being propped open were her panicked and poorly thought out attempts at covering up and also staging a "crime scene".
I think she is at or near the top of the authorities suspect list also but they are being careful not to "spook her" so that she will continue to talk and come in for further interviews. That is a tactic used by the primary investigator in the Susan Smith case many years ago and it worked perfectly. (She was the woman who drowned her children by pushing her car into a lake in an effort to "win back" a BF who didn't like kids) In fact one of the reasons that the Susan Smith case came to mind is it has another possible similarity to this case. That is the invention of a "mysterious stranger" of vague description upon whom the crime was attributed to in Susan's initial statements. In the Smith case she attempted to blame it on an "unknown" black, male "carjacker" whom she claimed came upon her that night at a deserted intersection. The story that the GF is telling in this case about the "mysterious" cousin named Joe (no last name)
who was visiting that day and just happens to be a pedophile just doesn't ring true to me. It seems like a last minute addition to her story in an attempt to deflect attention/blame away from her.

OK--so that is my theory--just some of the stuff that has been churning around in my brain. I am somewhat reassured that there are other people who are thinking some of the same thoughts regarding the GF Misty. Sorry if this is a bit long-winded, but its been nagging at me from the beginning and it helps to set it down in writing. I'd be interested in other people's opinions on the case and what they think about the GF's actions/behavior.

I have to say that all of these latest theories are possibilities, but, my faith in the law enforcement personnel that are "investigating" this case is zero to none.

Zip.

They have absolutely no ideas of what happened.

They have not only ruled everybody out, but they have ruled everybody in.

They say that they have "interviewed" each and every sex offender living in that 5-mile radius, but then they say that they are "rechecking" because they "missed" some.

They just recently "rechecked" a dumpster because they really didn't take all of the garbage out of it the first time.

They have interviewed Ronald and Misty and Crystal numerous times, but, well, nope, nothing there either.

That pedophile cousin? Well, law enforcement spoke with him. Nothing to worry about there, either.

I dread that this case will never be solved. I would love to believe that Haleigh is out there somewhere, but, if Crystal has her hidden, can somebody please tell me how on earth she is to produce her now??

If there were, in fact, confirmed phone calls between Misty and the bio dad early in the morning of Haleigh's disappearance, doesn't that blow a hole in the Misty's story that she was sound asleep and woke up at 3 am to use bathroom? The one thing about lying is that you have to start lying more to cover up your lies... and with the IQ of the players here, it won't take police much effort to figure out who is actually telling the truth. And drug users would probably have a harder time checking all the angles of their stories. Just a matter of time and we will see handcuffs being pulled out and used. Enough is enough. Misty knows what happened. So does Ron. God bless Haleigh. I hope she is in a better place. I wouldn't wish a childhood in that trailer park on anyone.

It may very well be the police are not arresting anyone because they are monitoring phone calls, behaviors, and vehicle movements.

They could probably legally charge Potty-mouth Ron or the Chain-Smokin’ Teenage Queen with a variety of crimes by now, but then they would lawyer-up. The police probably really want to find this little girl, even if it is just her body. So far, Chain-smoker keeps coming with them when they want to talk.

I believe I picked up off one of the talking head shows that there seems to be some friction now between Chain-smoker and Potty-mouth (imagine that.) The grandma said the relationship is strained but they are still a couple. That strikes me as sort of strange. One almost gets the feeling that they may have a mutual secret they know they must keep.

I wonder if it is possible that Chain-smoker and Potty-mouth each have crap on the other one, even if it is un-related to the child. It would seem to me that Chain-smoker probably knows stuff about Potty-mouth’s drug activity and other things. Chain-smoker knew about a gun. My guess is he is not suppose to have a gun, or, the gun was stolen and in his possession. Everyday people in Anywhere America do not have fights over guns that are later found in a ditch or something. That is just a snap-shot of what is going on in that home.

I believe eventually Potty-mouth and Chain-smoker will go after each other and that is when real facts will start to emerge.

A few questions that linger with me if anyone knows:

1. Did Chain-smoker have access to a vehicle?
2. Is it confirmed that the police found a footprint of the little girl (in a way that it shows she was upright and walking?)
3. Does anyone know the path of the child found by the dogs?

If there was a footprint of the little girl, that makes a sudden and violent bed-wetting beating rather unlikely. A footprint really does lend itself to abduction. It would be interesting to know too if the footprints were continuous or suddenly appeared. If a footprint suddenly appeared it might indicate the child had been carried for a ways before set down to walk (because she was sleeping.)

It would also be interesting to know if the police had a dog trace just (exclusively) the scent of Chain-smoker or Potty-mouth. It would be interesting if the dogs showed the two scents (child and adult) went along the same path.

Ron and Misty are covering for each other. They are both guilty of different things, it is just for the detectives to figure out what. Neither is in a position to rat the other one out probably due to the fact of Misty being "out" that night, Ron's drug use, violent past, etc.
To the person that posted Crystal took out life insurance policies on both kids? If that is true, HIGLY suspicious!! How do you know this? I have not seen this info anywhere.

To Native Texan, this is the website forum that mentioned it, but it has been in a few...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3316746

The person wrote:

"I didn't watch, however I can almost bet that LE or someone has let bio mom know that because Ron has custody that he is also next of kin. If this child turns up dead (god forbid), the only way mom will get money off that life insurance policy that she took out on her after Haleigh almost drowned is to provide a death certificate. From my understanding, only the next of kin can get those death certificates.. I know when my grandmother's boyfriend passed in Florida, he did not have a next of kin, and because my grandmother wasn't listed (although they were together for 40 years), his life insurance sits unable to be claimed because she could not get the death certificate."

I have not heard anywhere about an insurance policy, either. I would think something like that would be a headline.

Potty-mouth’s lies on certain issues seem to draw a picture of a man who is attempting to distance himself from something. He says he is not involved in drugs; but he is. He says there was no incident involving an argument about a gun; but there was. The obvious question is, did the little girl disappear as result of these activities that consisted of drugs and guns? If she did, Potty-mouth may believe/know that the little girl is still alive.

Maybe Potty-mouth owes somebody something; money; drugs; whatever. He would not need a ransom demand to know it; he’d just know it. It may also be that he is a paid informant for law enforcement – Geraldo asked him if he was.

What was the argument about the gun about? I know I have not had argument with anyone lately about a damn gun. Most people do not have bitter fights about a gun as a regular course of life’s business. Potty-mouth then denied it. Why deny it?

When Potty-mouth makes his pleas on television he almost seems like he is talking to someone who he knows has his daughter. He sounds humbled. He sounds like he is saying, “Hey, man, c’mon, bring her back, I get it – you’re in control – bring her back.”

Let’s look at some things Potty-mouth has said that make it appear that he is covering for someone who has his daughter (some quotes are paraphrases), indicating that he does not want to offend the kidnapper:

- “I don’t have any enemies.”
- “I don’t know anything about a gun.”
- “I’m not involved in drugs.”
- “I don’t know anyone who would do this.”
- “I don’t want revenge.”

It sounds like he trying to say, “Hey, dude, I’m not going to rat you out. I’m telling the police and media I don’t know about you – I’m playing dumb. I’m denying all my connections to you. You don’t exist man. Just let her go.”

What if…just what if…

Potty-mouth is a paid informant for law enforcement. Geraldo asked Potty-mouth that very question. Like Geraldo, or hate him, he has connections, and he knows what he is doing. He asked that specific question to Potty-mouth. Geraldo thought he knew something, and he might have, too.

So, what if…just what if…

A drug dealer guy came over and took the little girl. He said, “Tell the police who has her and she is dead. You don not testify against me, got it.” Something like that. Heck, he wouldn’t even have to say anything, really. He would just have to take her. Potty-mouth would automatically put 2 and 2 together – he would know.

It could be this little girl is alive, and is just being held as an insurance policy of sorts.

Navigator I think that's an awesome theory. You're right. His comments DO seem directed at someone. If he is a paid informant, wouldn't the police be onto that? Surely they would be looking at everyone he'd helped put behind bars. There are four degrees of separation between everyone (except Kevin Bacon - that's six). If they take everyone he ever ratted out, they would probably connect to a friend of Misty's.

Here are some further thoughts I have in addition to my previous post regarding the little girl possibly being kidnapped by members of a drug dealing community.

It could very well be that both Potty-mouth and Chain-smoker are lying to keep the little girl alive. When they say they don’t who has her, they keep her alive. When they say they are not involved in drugs, guns, and have no enemies, they keep her alive. When they deny those connections it means they are not telling the police anything.

Here are a few more interesting aspects that support the kidnapping theory:

-The little girl went to bed in a pink night-shirt. However, that shirt was found in the dirty clothes bin. Someone dressed her (probably to keep her warm.) Do you re-dress someone to kill them? She may have taken on a little trip.

-Footprints were found, indicating someone walked away with her.

-The police reported today they have “no idea whatsoever” what happed to the little girl. I don’t buy that. That sounds like a cover story being put out so the kidnapper will (1) relax, and (2) not kill the child, and (3) let the child go.

-Potty-mouth told some guys in the family that he was 75 percent sure he knew who took the child and said he had his gun ready. When Geraldo asked him about it he denied it. That is kind of a pattern with Potty-mouth. He is torn between his colossal punk ego and the reality that he is not in control of daughter’s very life.

-The little boy says he saw a man dressed in black with squeaky shoes take his sister.

-When Potty-mouth makes his pleas to the TV cameras he always addresses the little girl. He says, “Baby, if you’re watching…” It’s like he really believes she might be watching. And hey, who knows, she might be.

-The police keep doing this like questioning Chain-smoker and asking for DNA from bio-mom – stuff like that – that may be to make it appear like Potty-mouth has not spoken to them. Everything we watch on TV could be pure theatre while the police/FBI try to figure out where the little girl is being held alive.

Wow. Great thoughts! You really see into what they say and how they say it. Do you have a background in law enforcement?

If it doesn't turn out to be that scenario, let's make it a movie. I can write the script.

Kim - thank you.

My background is in newspaper reporting and investigative journalism.

I can't help but follow these cases sometimes. I watch a news clip or something and I sit forward in my chair and say, "Hey, did you hear what he just said. Last week he said ..."

I have watched Potty-mouth Ron dance up and down on this invisible emotional yo-yo he seems to exist on.

Potty-mouth has a colossal ego - he bullies fragile woman and helpless kids - he is used to pushing people around and getting what he wants by intimidation and his beloved F-word.

He does not want to lose that credibility (behind the scenes.) Behind the scenes he told someone he is 75 percent sure who has his daughter and he has his gun ready. He says they are trash and he will eventually “take out the trash.”

However, someone has his daughter. That is the great equalizer. He has to signal to the bad guys that he has stayed true to the code of the street. If the kidnapper believes he is chirping like a canary to the cops they may kill the little girl just because they are so pissed – not to mention to get rid of the evidence she constitutes. But he is signaling to them that he is not talking to the police. However, he has been running his punk mouth and it makes it to the media air-waves.

I really think the police may be helping Potty-mouth (or, moreover, the little girl) by keeping a steady stream of news going out about how they don't know what the heck happened. That’s bull. They know.

Even the cadaver dogs thing got me thinking. The dogs "hit" on a dumpster, but didn't find anything. C’mon. Are they really trying to say that they never checked that dumpster on Day 1? Bologna. Checking dumpsters is in missing persons 101. They would have done that right away, not way later-give me a break.

Those cadaver dogs find death; period. On the news they said it must have been some anomaly that the dogs hit on the dumpster. What?? No way. Those dogs sniff out human decomposition. However, if there are some bad guys out there who are holding this little girl, they may be further comforted by the fact that the police are looking for a dead body. That would mean the police think the little girl is dead.

I can hear Potty-mouth saying to the police, “You need to make these F-in guys believe that I have not said shit to you. You need to act like you have no F-in idea where my daughter is. You need to act like you think my girlfriend might have done it. If you act like you think my daughter’s dead. They will relax if you appear stumped because they’ll think you’re not looking for her out there anymore – you’re looking in local dumpsters.”

Have you ever noticed that Potty-mouth has been charged with drug crimes in the past but has never been convicted? Eh…eh? That’s the deal on his criminal background. Arrests, but no convictions.

Did Potty-mouth wear a wire for the cops?

Navigator, do you think that is why the grandmother (I think dad's) made the comment about thinking she was already out of the state (or in another state is maybe what she said)? Do you think the entire worthless lot is just going along with dad's plan and following his orders to keep Haleigh alive? Do you think somehow they are waiting for the reward money to increase to an acceptable amount and then they will stage some sort 'discovery' of the girl somewhere and the awarded money will be paid as a ransom?

I have never really believed that any of these people would be disciplined or sophisticated enough to pull off something that involved a reward or insurance money. They are far too temperamental and impulsive.

I do believe that the one grandma seems to know something. She named a couple of states by name (where she thinks the little girl might be.) It is one thing to keep faith that someone is alive, but it is another thing altogether to name the place where you think the child is located. That would require actual information.

Potty-mouth Ron's family ran Geraldo off their property when he started asking questions about drugs, paid informants, and violence. Why? I think the reason is because that line of conversation could actually get the little girl killed and disposed of and they know it. I think Potty-mouth might have worn a wire for the cops and the dealers he screwed found out about it.

I don't think they took the little girl as revenge (to kill her.) It would make more sense to keep her alive - that is how you make people do what you want. It would be interesting to know who is presently under investigation or indictment for drugs around there. There might be some hoodlums who are sitting back somewhere right now thinking; “drop the charges – drop the charges.”

I have begun to watch the news releases with a set of cynical glasses. I am paying attention to the over-arching message each new day. The cadaver dogs sent the message that the police think the little girl is dead and was killed locally. I don't believe the police think that at all. One has to hope that while the news shows keep showing everyone scratching their heads at this great big mystery, the FBI is figuring out where the little girl is at.

For instance, why would the police suddenly ask for bio-moms DNA. Cripe-all-Friday she’s been around forever – they could have taken that anytime.

Did you notice how fast they cleared the Tennessee Pervert? What they probably did was talked to the Tennessee pervert, told him he was not really a suspect, that they just needed to eliminate him, said “good day” and left. Then, they tapped his phone line and put a GPS unit on his car.

Can you imagine how many stake-outs, tails, phone-taps and GPS units are in play right now?

After reading the above comment, it makes sense that Ron's dad now appears and says"all this talk about Ron needs to just be dropped and the focus needs to be on Haleigh" Like they ALL know something we don't, and are saying stop digging!!

Yes, that is essentially how it appears to me.

If one thinks about it, there are only two reasons to abduct a child. (1) Molest/Murder, or (2) Ransom.

In this case, ransom would transalte to "Don't testify" or "Get the police to drop the charges."

This scenario explains the way Potty-mouth reacted when he learned she was taken. He was super pissed, but, at the same time, he didn't seem to believe anyone was necessarily hurting the little girl.

In one of his TV interviews he said,"She's not yours - bring her back." In another he said, "This wasn't something like a bike, this was my child."

I don't think this is revenge, either. If it was revenge, he would just tell on and sick the cops on whoever he thinks abducted the child. There must be some pending issue going on, and the bad guys took the little girl as an insurance policy.

Navigator, do you believe the part about a man in black taking the child? Do you think Misty was home?

I had a problem with the "Man in Black" story the first time I heard it. The first picture that came to my mind was Chain-smoker looking down at the little boy, saying, "Did you see a man all dressed in black? Is that who you saw?" And then naturally, the child says, "yes."

When I heard that I believed we had the new Zanny the Nanny.

The question then becomes, who is she Chain-smoker covering for? Herself, or, again, is she trying to keep the little girl alive by clearly NOT fingering the person who has her. Her description is probably nowhere near the appearnce of the kidnapper that night - that is how she sends the message; "Hey, look, bad guy, we are not describing you. We are not telling on you. We have no good description of you. Please just let her go now."

I almost wonder if Chain-smoker was lured/invited out of the trailer by someone she knew, to talk. They may have told her that Potty-mouth is a snitch and he made a big mistake. Then, when she gets back to the trailer, the little girl is gone (and she knows exactly why.)

She doesn't call the police - she knows she has to talk to Potty-mouth. She may have been warned not to call the police, or moreover, not to tell them who has the little girl.

The whole thing seems rather simple if you look at it as a kidnapping wherein some drug-dealers need a baragining chip. And believe me, they have one. If the police need to drop charges agasint some creep to get this little girl back, they will.

I pray you are right. I wish I could say there is a lesson to be learned here, but unfortunately I do not see Haleigh's outcome, whether good or bad, as being a deterent to the next family whose illegal actions put their children in harm's way.

People who get involved in drugs and alcohol choose to live in their own little sub-culture - their own little society.

Live by the sword.

I think it looks like, somewhere along the way Potty-mouth copped a deal with the police when he was charged with drug crimes - he wore a wire, or, is going to testify against someone who is in deep trouble.

If a man is looking at 10-20 years in prison, you better believe he will kidnap a little girl to shut the case against himself down.

I pray too, that as logic dictates, the child is only valuable ALIVE. Perhaps Potty-mouth has been contacted and knows that she is. If he ever found out they killed the child, he would probably go out and start gunning people down - anyone involved.

It's a very frustrating case. Debbie in Iowa, I think his dad is frustrated because there's too much talk about their faults and not enough about where Haleigh could be. But that reminds me of Casey Anthony's mom getting mad at NG for asking about Casey. She kept saying the focus needs to be off Casey and on Caylee. I think the focus did need to be on Casey, then you will find the answers about Caylee. Same thing here. Investigators (and those of us who are not) can't help but look at the parents because that's what we have to begin with. I hope, and don't believe he had anything to do with it. But I don't believe he has no enemies. Name calling and out of control temper doesn't make friends. He has enemies and like so many people have said, I think he knows. I don't think he did it but this story goes much deeper than a girl disappearing.

I agree with tesst. Parents of abducted children who are innocent have no problem being suspected. They rush to give fingerprints and take the lie detector so things can move forward. They don't lie to the police or give them misleading information that wastes valuable time. They cry genuine tears of loss and their bodies deteriorate from lack of food and sleep. Case in point: the mother of the girl killed in Aruba. Innocent parents don't lawyer up within 24 hours (like Jon Benet's) or avoid giving DNA. When we as a society see these red flags, we can't help but be suspicious of why a parent wouldn't fully cooperate.

Another good example of cooperation from the onset is Mark Klass.

This case is unique wherein the parents and particpants willingly submitted to polygraph tests and spoke to the police without lawyering up. However, each indiviudal manages to draw suspicion to themself somehow.

Potty-mouth Ron seems to know, or believes he knows, that his daughter is ok. He never appears to be suffering extreme dismay at the fact that his daughter was taken in the first place. He said, "How could you let my kid get stoled, bitch?" It is almost as if he is not necassarily surprised or shocked, but rather, really pissed. It almost seems like it was Chain-smoker's "job" to make sure the "kid" didn't get "stoled."

Kim's observations are all accurate. Parents who are completly clean don't Mickey-Mouse-around with the police and waste time - they have had to question the little chain-smoker about four times. That is nonsense when a life is hanging in the balance.

On the other hand, if the child was taken because Potty-mouth is an informant, their behavior might actually make good sense.

Navigator,
There is one third reason for child abduction and that is parental/non-custodial/child support avoidance/revenge against custodial parent. Don't know if that is the scenario here but I am sure that law enforcement has considered it.

Native Texan - you are absoultely right.

That has crossed my mind along the way. The bio-mom never appears to actually cry real tears. She seems distant in a strange way but I think she is an addict so it makes sense.

The bio-mom's mom also made weird statements about believing the child was in one of two states (I don't remember which ones but she was specific.) What is up with that?

I still kind of feel that a scheme such as that would be too sophiscated for these people. They are so un-disciplined and impulsive - the cops would probably have the child back by now.

One never knows, though. Bio-mom runs when she is asked to give a DNA test. Again; what the hell? Just do it.

Navigator,
Did you check out her myspace? They were right about her calling her other kids "brats", saw it myself. Disturbing.
Didn't know she had another child until I saw the pic.
It is still possible she could be involved. How sad for Haleigh that BOTH parents behavior is suspect. If she was involved she would probably purposely have her taken out of state, probably by someone unknown to her, then have her released and "found" somewhere. She then would be able to claim father's home is an unsafe environment thereby granting her full custody.
I am still wanting to know more about a previous post stating that bio mom took out life insurance policies on both kids? Any truth to this?

When one looks for the perpetrator of a crime they always seeks out "motive." Bio-mom certainly does have a motive.

The proximity between the last court hearing held between Potty-mouth Ron and the Dry-Eyed Bio-Mom cannot be ignored. It was only a few days I believe.

I saw Dry-Eyes on TV again tonight, and again, she does not cry. Also, she did this small, subtle thing, that I caught. She said something to the effect "and I hope to see you soon [paraphrase].) It had a weird feel to it. It was the way she said it. She had this little bubbly tone. It might have been just a distraught person trying to remain upbeat, but she has never come off as super distraught. It seemed like she was acting. Or, maybe, she really is going to see her soon.

I'm sure that the police are monitoring phones and travels and contacts on all suspects.

The reason I don't lean in the direction of Dry Eyes being the culprit is Chain-Smoker's bull-crap story from the onset. If Dry-Eyes orchestrated this, the Chain-Smokin Teenage Queen and Potty-Mouth Ron would not be involved in it.

I have been mildly suspicious of the fiance of Dry Eyes. He has remained very quiet and low profile. Dry-Eyes comes on TV, saying this and that, but the Mysterious Man of Mystery is not seen anywhere - C'mon man - your bride-to-be just had her little girl kidnapped - stand by her and put your arm around her - you are supposed to be the one she leans over and cries on (not her mom.) He is always gone. Why? It would be "natural" if here were there. His abscence seems "un-natural." Perhaps she doesn't need him there - perhaps she is not in pain or hurting so why fake it to that extent.

Tonight on Nancy Grace the Bio-Mom’s mom was a telephone guest. Nancy Grace asked her about the band-aid on Potty-Mouth Ron’s neck. Bio-Grandma said that Dry Eyes said that Potty-Mouth often gets cysts on his neck in that area. Fair enough.

Then she said something that caught my attention. She added that cysts in that area (of the body) are often associated with drug use.

Why in the world did she say that?

She just got on my radar for real. It was an oddly placed statement. Who gives a crap during this short TV segment whether or not Potty-Mouth does drugs? Everybody already knows he does anyway. This time I got the distinct feeling she was trying to “make a case” against him as physical custodian of the child. Maybe he does suck as a parent, but why is this TV segment, while the child is long gone, the place to make that case. Why was she even thinking about that?

Bio-Grandma has come on TV in the past making statements that placed Dry-Eyes in a great light. I’ll explain. She said her daughter (Dry-Eyes) was at the doctor because she had not eaten etc. She then quoted her daughter as saying, “I can’t eat mamma, I don’t know if my baby has eaten…” Has anyone ever seen any behaviors from Dry-Eyes that would lend themselves to such heart-sickness? I haven’t. Bio-Grandma is saying all these things on behalf of Dry-Eyes – Dry-Eyes does not reflect these statements in her presence, but Bio-Grandma is throwing it out there - it falls a little flat and it is curious.

You know I’d like to see from Dry-Eyes. I’d like to see her cry so hard she shakes and her jaw quivers until it screws up her ability to form words. Her tummy should jump up and down and she should have a hard time breathing. And her face should be soaking wet.

Then I’ll believe she can’t eat if her baby doesn’t eat.

Bio-Grandma seems to have a lot to say. She also, remember, believes the little girls is alive and is in one of two southern states,

She just gets a feeling, she says.

Hi Navigator - I also thought that was odd for the grandmother to point out those type of cysts are associated with drug use. Yuck. Does anything tonight fit in with your theory? I do think Bio Mom is very stoic. Do you think it's shock? And I've also wondered about the fiance. He's been A.W.O.L. since this started. In the picture they've shown of him and Cristal he seems like a nice enough guy, but paying child support for two 'brats' can take it's toll (I imagine). I wouldn't think he and Cristal would 'off' the kids, but staging a kidnapping so Dad loses custody would be beneficial, if they could come up with some way to have her 'turned in' to a safe place. I would like to know if Cristal has any plans to ask for custody of Junior in light of everything that has happened and is going on. That would be very telling to me.

Kim

I have not seen the My Space page but it sounds like it must be disturbing.

I have considered the exact scenario you propose about getting custody.

Ya' know, it occurs to me right now.

What if Dry-Eyes knew for a fact that the Chain-Smokin Teenage Queen would put the kids to bed, and then go out running around, smoking doobie, and not really watching them.

You probably already see where I am going with this.

So, she or her International Man of Mystery Finace just walk right in and take the little girl. I mean hell, think about it, its her kid. If she just waltzs in and does it because she knows Smokey isn't home watching them, she is not really risking much.

Example: One time at a newspaper I worked at, one of the department managers kept leaving at night woithout locking his office door. He would leave the company's expensive lap-top in there. To teach him a lesson one day, the publisher took the lap-top and hid it - it really freaked the Advertsing Director out bad - taught him a lesson.

Bio-mom could have done that, and just kind of kept going.

Smokey would have to lie or else admit she was running with the trailer rats or whatever when she was suppose to be caring for these two small children. Just because Smokey left the kids, would not mean she had to have gone real far, you know? She could have just been outside somewhere, thinking the kids were sleeping and fine.

If someone couldn’t get anywhere with a court, and wanted to prove a point about a shitty parent, one has to admit, this type of thing would be the way to do it. That would also make the judge on the case look like crap, too. I’ll bet that judge is sweating it right now. There are a lot of people wondering why and the hell Potty-Mouth had custody of those kids when he is daily raping a 17 year-old who is then doing a crappy job of caring for his kids..

Still, Dry-Eyes appears to be no better, really. She isn’t winning any awards.

If this bizarre scenario turned out to be what has happened, that grandma is in this up top her eye-balls.

Navigator I think, with all things considered, this may have been what happened. At least on some level I am praying that is what happened because it is a better than the horrible alternative of a stranger abduction. When I heard the little girl may have been 'changed' into different clothes, that's what I thought. Would someone who was going to kill her, change her clothes? Maybe not. But a caretaker would. As for the little boy seeing a man in black, that's kind of a monkey wrench, but who knows where that came from. And leaving the light on... well it's my understanding the laundry area is right where the light was turned on, or nearby. Maybe the person turned on the light to sort through the laundry sitting there and grab a few things. I doubt Misty would really know if any of the girl's clothes were missing. There are so many possibilities in this case because of all the odd players. I just pray Haleigh ends up found and placed in an environment she can be healthy and happy in with her brother, whomever's home it turns out to be. Such nonsense - not to mention the poor little brother who is too young to understand the horrible situation.

Kim

That really could happen. If someone was leaving my children un-attended I'd do it.

But who did they get to keep the child during this huge investigation?

I actually see something like that has half way spontaneous - not completley planned.

Well if the authorities suspect that, wouldn't they compile a list of relatives living in other states and possibly contact those jurisdictions and have them checked out or under surveillance? We seem to be picking apart all these comments, like Grandma saying she is probably in another state. Do you think law enforcement is doing the same? And at what point does the insurance company (if there is actually a policy on the girl) get involved?

My guess is they would try to get names fromPotty-mouth about Dry-Eyes' side of the family.

I have wondered if Dry-Eyes took the child as an act of "Child Protection" - real or imagined. If so, she might have found a activist group to help her.

The police are probably far, far ahead of us.

Potty-Mouth cries hard about this. Potty-Mouth's mom relly cries hard. Even Smokey cried. Bio-Mom can't even fake it well, and her nother doesn't cry either.

One has to admit, Potty-Mouth and Smokey don't look too good right now. Dry-Eyes may be a piece of crap, but if Potty-Mouth was leaving their little girl with an incapable juvenile, he looks real bad. He also looks like a selfish pervert. He keeps a little juvenile around to have sex with for his own quasi-pedophile pleasure and then entrusts his kids over to her. He is kind of all about himself.

Have you noticed that Potty-Mouth sure seems to break a lot of laws but never goes down hard. Charged with drug offenses; never goes down. Sex with minors; never goes down. Then I am back to my other theory.

Navigator, I thought about that, too. Why isn't anything happening with the whole "sex with a minor" situation. Is it that he has parental permission from her family? What is the law, do you know? And what's the deal with his supposedly fathering ANOTHER child somewhere with ANOTHER 17 year old? That would make her 16 (+ change) when she got pregnant. Are statutory rape ages the same all over, or are they lowered in areas of lower IQ? You are so right about his not getting charges with things. We heard briefly about the 'gun' found in a ditch and we've heard him say he has a gun. Have the police checked to see if the 'gun' is registered? So let me get this straight. He can get busted for drugs - no time. He can have sex with and impregnate minors - no time. He can own an unregistered gun - no time. You may be onto something. He seems to do whatever he wants down there. Like some white trash king 'o the hill.

I hope you guys are right and the police are WAY AHEAD on this. I found it strange that they blacked out certain info from the police report. Also I wonder what the phone records show. That would be a huge piece of the puzzle knowing who they spoke to that evening.

Yes TRW, I have wondered too about the phonecalls between Misty and Ron that night. Have heard there were calls in the wee hours from Misty to Ron, but then heard she was soooo sound asleep she didn't hear the child being taken. So which is it? Was she up doing laundry after a bedwetting incident or was she passed out asleep until five minutes before Ron got home? Huge inconsistencies.

Navigator, I found this video clip of the fiance. His last name is Griffis, same as the supposed maternal grandmother. What the hell is going on down there? Anyway, would be interested in your observations of this guy.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3

I too caught the mother's comment about the "drug caused cyst". Crazy. I am confused about a lot of statements from Ron and his minor live in, but the mother's is clear. She has one goal: discredit, demean, villinize her ex-husband. I think if drugs were the cause of cysts, (I have no clue if that's true, but doubt it) she'd have some of her own! Drug addicts should not be raising children, but that would leave a lot of children orphaned! I noticed Nancy Grace didn't want to hear that either. But they are estranged, obviously not friends. NG shouldn't have asked her.

I also read on one of these sites the bio mom, after receiving a phonecall her daughter was missing, sent her father there because she thought it was a prank from her ex. How ODD is that?!!! That's one helluva prank to play on your ex at 3:30 in the morning. Other reports have the bio mom waiting over two hours before she even left her house. One theory was she was en route BACK home, possibly from taking the girl to a safe house after kidnapping her. Lots of theories, but now, strangely enough, the bio mom is coming under scrutiny in place of Misty. Did they ever get the DNA sample from her? I hate when the news makes a big deal about something (she fled the scene before she could give dna...) and then they never mention it again. Pisses me off.

Kim

I watched the video clip. His body language actually lent itself to a person who was telling the truth. He looked down and to the right quite often. The eyes go down and to the right when a person is experiencing strong emotions.

Of course, we only saw an edited clip of the footage. I work in the news/media. You see what the producer wants you to see - they typically use the dramtic parts. Still, it seemed to me like he was legitimate. He also had a good reason for not chasing all over the place; he has kids of his own to watch and get to school.

He appeared to really cry.

Dry-Eyes never does that.

I am a few comments behind, but if the bio mom went in there and took Haleigh who was left alone, she then would have been walking out of that trailor leaving the yet smaller child completely alone, I think a mother would have taken them both if thats the case! any comments on that thought?

to Debbie - I think IF she took Haleigh, its because of the girl's medical condition and the fact that there are supposed pictures of her with bruises etc. Maybe bio mom thought Jr. was safe as he isn't a bedwetter and doesn't have a medical condition. Besides, taking both would have been more obvious as that is very rare in non-custodial cases, I think. And maybe by taking Haleigh she thought she could win custody back of Jr. shortly after. Who knows.

debbie from Iowa - That crossed my mind too. I have often wondered if bio-mom (or someone helping her)took her because she thought the little girl was being abused. The whole bio-family was on TV the other night with Geraldo showing a photo of the little girl with her face horribly swullen. However, school records say it happened in school.

Perhaps leaving the little one alone and asleep was just a chance/risk that had to be taken.

Kim's thoughts on that reflect my own, pretty much.

Wasn't it cold that night? I have wondered if mother took her also because for some reason it seems whoever took her put clothes on her. The back door next to dirty clothes...she removes pink shirt and throws in dirty pile..she then puts on new clothes and shoes. That's why her shoes were still there. At the same time I recall Ron saying her shoes were still there, but I don't believe she only had one pair. I have a 5 yr old and she has lots of pairs of shoes. I'm sure Crystal has friends that have told her about Misty leaving kids alone and thats when she swooped in. She took the oldest first because she's heavier to carry and she couldn't take junior first in fear Haleigh would talk incase Ron or Misty showed up. Getting Haleigh out took longer than expected and she was too late to take Junior. Maybe she was going to take them both and go to police and judge to fight for them and the whole thing went south when Ron called 911. Crystal is too calm about the entire situation. This is another one of my many theories. This case is so confusing with each passing day.

TRW

The 'it took longer than expected' thing crossed my mind too.

What you said that was very intersting to me was "maybe she was going to take them both to the police..." Logic does flow with that. I don't feel (if it happned this way) that it was well planned.

A pissed off mother could easily show up to a place where a little teenager is supposed to be watching her kids; custody or not. Hell, I would. Go over and catch her right in the act of being un-fit. When she got there she may have found them utterly alone (maybe she was originally just going to try to catch her smokin some hootch or something) and seized her opportunity.

Hell, it may have been insane and genius at the same time.

Also, if you think about it, Dry-Eyes better be careful to not stack it on too thick on TV or it will come back to haunt her. Perhaps she is just saying the usual crap "pleasse bring her back, blah blah blah" but not putting on too big of a show or she'll look really sick later.

Maybe bio mom is pouring it on thick about what an a-hole Ron is to solicit sympathy should it turn out she had something to do with all this. People do tend to lean toward helpless mothers whose ex's are abusive. And to Navigator, do you think if there was some sort of womens 'group' helping her, they would have to inform authorities? Not that money should ever be an issue when it comes to a lost child, but if Haleigh is fine and being kept by some underground womens right advocacy group, I would like to think they would avoid or curtail the money and effort being spent on the search with so many other youngsters missing.

You know something just crossed my mind. Cristal's fiance was saying how the kids didn't want to go back home to Ron's house after their visitation. I think he said that a couple of times. If Haleigh said something to her mom along the lines of "Misty just leaves us there and goes out anyway...", who knows, maybe the wheels started turning. Perhaps Cristal was told something and drove down to observe for herself. But let's just say that was the case, then why would the fiance's tears be true? Wouldn't he be in on it? Or could it be the stress from a relatively simple plan getting blown so out of proportion and the possible retribution that made him break down and cry. He seemed more attached to the kids than their own mother. Unless he's just a really good actor, but I don't think so. If the kids wanted to stay at bio mom's house, perhaps its because it's a more 'normal' environment. Mom, daddy figure all present all the time. Sure would like to know why Cristal didn't get custody. I don't buy that shit about a false address being given to the court. If your are in a battle for your kids, you stay on top of that information. And Navigator - did you come up with anything as to why Cristal's biological mother would have the same last name as her fiance? Surely they can't be THAT inbred down there?!!

Kim - I really don't know why they have the same last name - it can happen sometimes but that is a unique name.

A guy almost gets the feeling that the teary fiancé may be stuck in the middle and is just trying to stay out of it.

I think there are some advocacy groups that get out of control. They think they know more than they do and believe everything they hear, as long as it is bad and about a man. Legitimate groups also suffer when rogue elements go on their own and pull stupid crap. I think sometimes they want to be heroes and warriors but really, are just lifeless trash who are causing trouble and making what is already bad, worse.

The whole thing about the kids not wanting to go back really has to be taken with a grain of salt. Kids say that all the time. Now, if she said, "I don't want to go back, daddy hits me with a belt," then it makes senses. But "I don't want to go back" is pretty common. Kids will actually say that to both parents. They say what they know the parent wants to hear, period.

Yeah, Bio-Mom's little false address thing is stupid. If that happened the Court would re-schedule. She was probably hungover or something.

Keep any eye on Bio-Grandma - she is in this up to her eyeballs if the Custody Theory is the circumstances. Pay attention to her. She doesn't plead for the child to be brought back - she rips on Potty-Mouth every chance she gets. You know, here, look at this picture of the little girl with a black eye; oh, yeah, he gets those cysts from drug use; he's not crying its fake. To the Bio-Family it is all about besmirching Potty-Mouth (like they even have to - he does it to himself.)

I really have to ask this of those that feel that Bio-Mom aka Dry Eyes took little Haleigh:

WHERE IS SHE THEN?!

I mean, it's one thing to have a theory that Crystal took Haleigh for the sole purpose of sticking it to Ron and Misty or for the purpose of making it seem that Ron and Misty couldn't keep her safe at night, but, it's been three weeks.

Why on earth wouldn't Crystal produce her now? Or a week ago? Do you really think that she took Haleigh only to not be able to be with her?

I have watched just about everything available on this situation, and Crystal is down there in Florida hanging around waiting for word of Haleigh's fate just the same as Ron and Misty are.

She obviously hasn't eaten because if you saw her the day after Haleigh disappeared, she was wearing about 20 more pounds of flesh than she is today. I believe that she hasn't eaten.

I'd rip on Potty Mouth, too, if he insisted on having custody of the children and then proceeds to lose one of them.

Darby-

Persoanlly, I have an individual theory for each parent.

You are referring to the Custody Theory and posing the obvious question; where is Dry Eyes keeping the little girl if she has her?

That is something we have discussed continuously - that really is (I believe) one of the biggest problems with this theory. Somebody would have to keep and care for the child, and they would be guilty of a very serious felony by now.

However, in rare cases, there are safe-houses that are used when someone beleives their child is in imminent danger.

The Bio-Family was on TV showing photos of the little girl with a real swullen face. Okay, that means they are suggesting to the world that Potty-Mouth really beat the crap out of a small child. Done deal. They stuck it on TV and suggested it. They shit-bagged him no matter how you slice it.

Here is the problem I have with that. The school said it happended in school. I believe it was actually witnessed as an accident. So here is my problem. Why does the Bio-Family have to scrape the bottom to try to find evidence of abuse, and WHY would they WANT to right now?

That photo was their best evidence.

It has an icky feel to it when a group of people are getting together on camera and showing their best evidence against a child's father as an abuser, and the evidence is just a photo that every family has in their album from the time their child wiped out on their bike or whatever.

It would be very compelling if they were showing photos of strap welts, or strangely placed bruises, or cigarette burns, or whatever. But no, they have one photo of a big swullen face because the school said she fell flat on her face. It happens.

Why are they trying so hard right now to show physical abuse? And WHY do they HAVE to try so HARD? Why don't they have just a hell of a grocery list of crap that Potty-Mouth did to the little girl if it is true.

I have a whole bunch of photos of my kids when they have fallen from their bike or smacked their head because they were playing Three Little Monkeys or whatever.

It makes me feel like the Bio-Family knows the photo depcits an accident, but they don't care. So, why are they trying to push a square peg into a round hole while this child is missing. What do they believe they will benefit?

Airtime is precious on TV and they are talking trash.

Potty-Mouth Ron is a wothless father in my personal opinion, but what is motivating the Bio-Family to keep trying to influence the public that Potty-Mouth is into drugs and is violent with his child, if they really don't have any decent evidence that he is. What is MOTIVATING the little abuse campaign?

Do they think he beat her to death? He was at work (as far as I know.)If they do, they have not gone so far as to say that. They are just making him look mean (which he is, everyone knows that already.)

It just seems like a strange little agenda that the Bio-Family has.

I believe Potty-Mouth is a rotten person, and I also believe he proably has abused the little girl on ocassion. He is not Ward Cleaver.

I'll come out and answer my own rhetorical questions. It seems like the Bio-Family is trying to justify an illegal removal of the child from the home, after the fact. If someone impulsively took that little girl (because they found her un-attended,) it may be starting to sink in just how serious that act really was, and now, they are going backwards trying to find excuses to justify it.

Darby,

Is it really that hard to believe that the bio-mom might not care if she see' Haleigh now knowing she will have her in the end (Least she thinks so) That's of course, If the bio-mom is part of the disappearance which would not surprise me after showing no emotions.

Also... If you were the bio-mom that took Haleigh, You would not eat either just to make law enforcement think you were not part of it. Its just an act.

They are all one big white trash acting troupe... and although you wouldn't think it, all oscar worthy!

Navigator, you crack me up with your names for the cast of characters in this case!
It wouldn't surprise me if the police had already planted gps devices on all of their cars, even the grandmas. Remember Scott Peterson? Had they not done that he would be living in Mexico now with no extradition treaty after brutally murdering his wife and unborn child. He had bleached his hair, had a couple thousand dollars on hand and was in far Southern California when they caught up with him. Had he not had an annoying habit called "playing golf" they might never have gotten him, he stopped to play golf, they arrested him right on the golf course.
I keep hoping that it will be the bio mom and we will find Haleigh alive.
I still think that if it was parental abduction, mom never dreamed it would get this much publicity probably because the public was still so obsessed with the Caylee Anthony case. Surprise Surprise. Never understimate the public's desire to solve a mystery involving a small adorable child.

Well...again, I would say that Crystal is trashing Ron and Misty because they had Haleigh, and now they don't.

I truly believe that all three of them partook in drugs from time to time. I watch Intervention enough to recognize the signs of being high, and all three of these boneheads fit the profile.

I think that also explains Dry Eyes's dry eyes. She is too high to cry, if you will.

But, do you remember that Crystal was to have Haleigh for her regularly scheduled visitation just a few days after the Tuesday that Haleigh disappeared??

That upcoming weekend was the weekend that Crystal would have had both Haleigh and Junior as per the visitation agreement that they have had in place for several months, with no issues or problems.

My point is that if Crystal were intent on "taking" Haleigh, then all she would have had to do is wait for her visitation, and then not return both Haleigh and Junior. Her home is several hours away, into the next state, and she could have done the whole "safehouse" thing then.

That's why I don't buy that Crystal is behind this.

To Darby, I kind of agree, but if she just 'kept' them on visitation, wouldn't that put her in contempt of court and up on charges? If Haleigh disappears during Dad's time, then he looks like the negligent one - which is what she's trying to do with all her trash talk. Hard to say. I guess I also want to believe Haleigh is alive.

Darby,
You make an excellent point. It seems that would have been the smartest move to make. But we are not dealing with smart people here. In fact we are dealing with people who are obviously recreational drug users hell bent on revenge against the other. People who do drugs do not think things through with rationale or reason. They act impulsively, at times manic, and with the level of immaturity we are dealing with here, they obviously act with vindictiveness. I have seen this situation with a scenario close to my family where mother lost custody, tried to get custody back not by simply keeping her child after a visitation, but by kidnapping the child in broad daylight from his home, resulting in child running away scared out of his mind, having to be tackled and practically hogtied and drug to the car, a stepbrother brandishing a shotgun, stepmom duking it out in a fistfight with noncustodial mom, other innocent children in the vehicle that could have been hurt. Believe it or not, no one was on drugs or lived in a trailer.
I'll never understand why people behave the way they do when it involves children. They think of only themselves and their selfish needs, never even thinking of the long term traumatic effects this kind of stuff has on their kids.
For little Haleigh, if she is alive and I pray she is, she will have a long road ahead trying to recover from this. She is old enough that she will remember the details and the trauma.

If Haleigh's Mother did indeed take or arrange to have her taken, she may not be crying when interviewed, but she is a mere shadow of the women she was twenty some days ago, I can hardly believe it is the same woman. She IS going thru some kind of hell.

I never saw such an emotionless mother in my life! If my child was missing I know that I would be a lunatic, crying would be a small part of my emotion. Mom's mother is a real question mark to me. From the beginning with her remark about this child being in Ga. or Alabama, where did that come from? That remark in and of itself makes no sense to me. She too is void of any emotion other that hatred for the father, at least his mother shows real emotion and concern for this little one. I certainly hope the cops are on to something or someone here and just keeping it close to the vest.

Well, here is something else to confuse everybody else and not only myself.

If it was Bio-Mom, Why wasn't the boy taken too? If the girlfriend was out and about like a lot of people think, You'd think the boy would have been taken.
Why would the Bio-mom go in and actually pick Haleigh up and take her knowing that her little boy is left behind sleeping with girlfriend, You'd also think she go hmm, Maybe I'll wait till another time when I can grab both of them or Perhaps someone else went in for Bio-mom and grabbed whoever he/she could and that tells us why she is still around and not with Haleigh (Can't leave her son behind)

Lets just hope that's the case, To think anything else Is very sad.

lorraine-

I hear you.

It killed me when I saw Dry Eyes during that one TV interview where she was given the chance to make a plea for her daughter's safe return. She said a sentence or two, and then she laid her head on her mom and 'cried.' They kept the camera on her. She made the crying sounds (whimpers) but no tears came out. I'm not kidding, I think she might have peeked out of the corner of her eye to see if the camera was still on her. Fifty/fifty she was faking it.

To be honest, I feel sorry for Dry Eyes. She is drugged up and doesn't know how to be a person. It's sad (I'm not kidding - I'm serious - I feel sorry for her) when a mother has to try to cry for her missing daughter, or pretend to cry for her missing daughter. To quote a song lyric by Robert Earl Keen - "The beauty of sadness is, feeling the pain..."

I have always belived that the definition of the word "love" is the willingness and desire to help another person grow spiritually. None of these people can do that for each other. Their souls are in chaos.

I try not to make jokes about their intellectual capacity - they are slow, but they are human beings. And you know, that little girl is absoluetly beautiful and adorable, she is the product of Potty-Mouth and Dry-Eyes.

What I don't like is their lack of morals and self-respect - it's a disgrace.

Smokey is so chalk full of THC, Tar, and Nicotine that she can't remeber where she lay herself down to sleep.

Potty-Mouth Ron is an obnoxious King Turd who actually thinks he's got something going in this world when he has a teenager to rape, coke to snort, a gun to brandish, and his two favorite words in the world; bitch and fuck.

Dry-Eyes sounds like a medicated robot when she talks about her flesh and blood daugher; recently abducted. She proabably has empty tear-ducts from crank and crack (that's what's sad - in her heart she might actually be sobbing but her eyes won't tear.)

Bio-Grandma is a slightly more intelligent version of Dry-Eyes and seems to find some investigative value in taking pot-shots at Potty-Mouth Ron on national TV - like doing that will advance the seacrh effort somehow. It's suspicious to me.

Three people in this case have cried for real that I have seen. Dry-Eyes' fiance, Potty-Mouth's mom, and Potty-Mouth. I'm not counting Smokey - she had tears but all of her infomration has been self-serving so her tears were probably for herself, too.

By the way, did anyone see the tattoo that Potty-Mouth had put on his calf. I understand he went and got drunk at a tattoo parlor. One day he is hanging out with the pastor and the next day he's drunk at the tattoo parlor getting a tramp-stamp of his daughter on his leg.

Nice.

I WONDER IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONED PEOPLE ASSOCIATED TO THE TRAILER PARK, LIKE DELIVERY PEOPLE,ICE CREAM TRUCK DRIVERS OR VENDORS AND ESPECIALLY THE GARBAGE PICK UP GUYS. THE BLOCKS USED TO PROP THE DOOR OPEN CAME FROM BESIDE A DUMPSTER BEHIND THE MOBILE HOME. THEN THE POLICE DOGS HIT ON A DUMPSTER JUST A FEW YARDS FROM THE HOME. THE PERP SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN VERY FAMILIAR WIH THE TRAILER PARK AND WHERE THE DUMPSTERS WERE LOCATED. THE FACT THAT THERE WERE SIMILAR BLOCKS NEXY TO THAT DUMPSTER BEHIND THE HOME TELLS ME SOMEONE KNEW THAT THEY WERE THERE. NO ONE GOES STUMBLING AROUND IN THE DARK LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO PROP THE DOOR OPEN WITH. SOMEONE WAS FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THAT TRAILER PARK AND THAT DUMPSTER TO KNOW THE BLOCKS WERE THERE. I DONT THINK THEY WERE PUT THERE EARLIER FOR EASY ACCESS LATER BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL. THE PERP ONLY NEEDED ONE TO PROP THE DOOR. ALSO, I THINK WHOMEVER TOOK THE LITTLE GIRL LACKED PHYSICAL STRENGTH, AND COULDV'E POSSIBLY BEEN A WOMAN. THE REASON I SUGGEST THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN MY LITTLE BOY HAS FALLEN ASLEEP IN THE CAR AND I WANTED TO GET HIM INTO BED WITHOUT WAKING HIM, I HAVE WENT AND OPENED THE FRONT DOOR,AND PROPPED OPEN THE STORM DOOR BECAUSE I AM NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO CARRY HIM WITH ONE ARM AND USE THE OTHER TO OPEN THE DOOR OR TURN THE HANDLE. WHICH I HATE TO SAY THAT I HOPE THAT IS THE CASE, RATHER THAN SOME SEXUAL DEVIANT ABDUCTING HER, I HOPE IT WAS SOME WOMAN DESPERATE FOR A LITTLE GIRL AND THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE DIDN'T DESREVE TO HAVE HER. IF THAT WAS THE CASE, MAYBE SHE WOULD FEEL GUILTY AND RETURN HER UNHARMED. BUT I DO THINK THE DUMPSTER, AND THE DOOR BIENG PROPPED OPEN DO GIVE US SOME CLUES.

I've sometimes wondered if the door was propped open by Smokey to create the appearance of a break-in.

I sometimes feel/believe there was no break-in. I sometimes think Smokey knows who took the child, whether she witnessed it flat out, or, just knew who was in the house while she was out for a bit or whatever.

She and Potty-Mouth may absolutely know who took her but cannot say.

If one thinks about it, the ONLY indication that the child was abducted is the propped open door. Everything else would point to someone in the home doing it. ONLY the propped open door creates a "crime scene" so to speak. Other than the child being gone, the only other weird thing is the door being propped open.

Smokey could have done that, easy.

As I was writing this a scenario flashed through my mind; here goes.

We have learned that the cinder block that held oopen the door came from some dumpster (or by a dumpster.) We have also learned that cadaver dogs are "hitting" on a dumpster, yet, there is no body in it.

If someone just killed somebody (by accident - whatever) what is the first thing they would do? I think they would try to throw it away, perhaps, in the closest dumpster. Then the person needs to stage a crime-scene so they want to prop the door open, and they remember a cinder block being by the dumpster they were just at.

If dogs are hitting on that dumpster, that means there was a body in it at one time. Could someone have gone back and moved the body?

Or, you can begin the scenario at the dumpster, an intruder, carrying a cinder block to the house he is preparing to enter. After killing the child, he disposes of the child in the dumpster he is familiar with.

Just food for thought...

NAVIGATOR... I JUST READ YOUR POST AND YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE BLOCK BY THE DOOR BIENG STAGED AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT..I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE HARD TO THROW A 50 POUND BODY INTO A DUMPSTER IF YOU HAD TO LIFT IT UP HIGH AND TOSS IT OVER..MAYBE THE PERP. FIRST USED THE BLOCKS TO STAND ON, INORDER TO REACH THE TOP OF THE DUMPSTER, THEN AS YOU SUGGESTED STAGED THE SCENE WITH ONE OF THEM. I HESITATE TO BLAME THE DAD AND GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE IF THEY ARE INNOCENT THIS MUST BE A LIVING NIGHTMARE!! BUT I DO THINK THEY HAVE BEEN HIDING SOMETHING AND I ALSO BELIEVE IF ONE IS INVOLVED, THEY BOTH ARE. I DID FIND THE PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF AFFECTION VERY STRANGE IN THE FIRST HOURS OF THE LITTLE GIRLS DISAPPEARANCE. I CAN SEE TRYING TO COMFORT EACH OTHER, BUT HOLDING HANDS, SMOKING, RUBBING AND KISSING? I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE REAL CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING THE "HOME FIRES BURNING" AT SUCH A TRAGIC TIME. I AM PRAYING FOR GOD TO GIVE THE DETECTIVES INVOLVED THE KNOWLEDGE TO FIGURE THIS OUT. AND I AM PRAYING FOR THE FAMILY TO FIND PIECE, BUT IF IT COMES OUT ONE OF THEM IS INVOLVED I WILL PRAY FOR GOD TO HAVE MERCY ON THIER SOULS.

Well, all good theories, but, why not that cousin of Misty's??

I would believe that scenario before all others, if not for the fact that at the same time he left the area, so did Haleigh.

The cinder block to me is evidence of a break in and not of a cover up, because, if I am Misty and I want to make people believe that Haleigh was abducted, I am just going to leave a door open. Not propped open, but, just open.

In one of the news reports, it was stated that hits on the dumpster could have been hits due to anything from menstrual blood to bandaids...and that the hits were not "cadaverous" if that makes sense.

I just think that somebody outside of Ronald, Misty, or Crystal were involved.

I will pray they bur in hell.

Yeah, Either Friends/family or the "Drug dealers"

Just to clear something up, The ones to believe that its not weird and/or alright with the emotions the three are showing, You are very sick and I hope to god you don't have children.

jessica-

I saw the arm and arm cigarette walks. I didn't see the kissing and rubbing (but I believe you.)

I have children - their reaction is si disturbing it makes me sick - parents would be despondent and in freakin shock.

Do you remember the Elizabeth Smart case. They said when the dad (Ed Smart) saw his daughter for the first time after they found her, he was wailing and screaming and moaning like an animal. That is how parents act - not like Smokey and the gang.

If Smokey and Potty-Mouth were kissing on the mouth something is wrong. Humans react certain ways to certain things. If someone has just had their child abdcuted by a stranger, they have to live in the perpetual nightmare that at the moment they are in, somone may be raping or murdering their child. It is un-thinkable that a parent who believes their child has been abdiuted like that would be engaging is physical acts of eroticism; small as they may be. The lips are erotic - often a prelude to sex if circumstnace permits.

It seems like they know who took her, but they can't tell.

Can you raise a finger print from a cinder block I wonder?

debbie from Iowa

It's probably difficult.

One would believe they may have gotten some DNA off it, though. Those cinder blocks scrape your hands, you know?

Remember, they asked Dry-Eyes for some DNA and she seemed to dodge them.

I have a comment about the dumpster. It is my understanding cadaver dogs DO NOT hit on bandaids and the such. They are specifically trained to hit on decomposing bodies. I also heard the dumpster had not been emptied since Haleigh went missing. Do we know this for a fact? Possibly the little angel was killed and her body was thrown in there and then the dumpster was emptied. That would explain the scent being there, but not the body. As for the cinder block, it was my understanding they COULD get a DNA sample from it. I thought of that when they were asking for Bio Mom's DNA. I thought of what they might possibly be wanting to match that to. My heart would be lifted if the bio mom's dna was on the cinder block. Then we would know what really happened. Has anyone else heard if the bio mom ever gave the DNA requested?

KIM..I HAVEN'T HEARD IF SHE EVER COMPLIED WITH THE DNA SAMPLE OR NOT. BUT IT WOULD MAKE ALOT OF SINCE IF THE BIO MOM WAS THE ONE WHO TOOK THE LITTLE GIRL. IF SHE DID I THINK THE LITTLE GIRL IS STILL ALIVE. I SAID IN AN EARIER COMMENT THAT THOUGHT IT WAS LIKELY A WOMAN OR SOMEONE WHO WASN'T VERY STRONG PROPPED THE DOOR OPEN SO THEY COULD CARRY HER WITHOUT WAKING HER AND BECAUSE I'VE PERSONALY PROPPED MY FRONT DOOR OPEN INORDER TO CARRY MY 5YR. OLD INTO THE HOUSE WHEN HE'S ASLEEP BECAUSE I'M NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD HIM IN ONE ARM WHILE I USE THE OTHER. IT WOULD EXPLAIN ALOT.

I realize I am a grandma,and not young like the mother is, but arn't those cinder blocks awful heavy for a female to carry any great distance? Are we talking those blocks with 2 big holes in it,? those are heavy & not the first thing I would grab for sure. What about some of you other women out there? or am I just a whimp?

To Debbie, you are right. They weigh a friggin ton! Enter the fiance? Could have helped her, or another male friend, not the fiance. To Jessica, I agree with the whole being a woman and propping the door. Have two of my own and remember propping the door when my ten year old was around four or five and would fall asleep in the car. I think door propping is definitely a female thing, not a man, unless he is tiny and fraile. Like I said earlier, I hate when the news reports something as if it's the end of the world and then doesn't follow up. Why can't they just tell us if the bio mom gave the dna?!! It's like watching 'reality' tv, which is the most staged, contrived television programming out there. And were all the family members, including the fiance, fingerprinted? They took polygraphs, but do they also give fingerprints? All this lying and secrecy...

The Mysterious Finace did a short interview for a TV crew down there and he cried in a way one would expect. He cried as if he did not know where the little girl is at. He really sounded real.

It's weird - Dry-Eyes sounds like a robot and seems like she knows the child is ok - Bio-Grandma REALLY acts like she knows something, but then the finance appears genuinely heart-broken.

Has anyone ever wondered if Bio-Grandma did it? What if she got pissed when Dry-Eyes missed the court hearing and all that, and the child stayed with Potty-Mouth. It actually doesn't sound too far out of the realm of possibility.

Where was Bio-Grandma that night? I still imagine a parent (or grandma) going over to catch Smokey in the act of not caring for the kids, and finding them all alone. She walks right in (essentially, that would be legal if the kids were un-attended so she is not a nervous intruder - she could even take the kids, really) and carries the little girl out. Stops, puts some clothes on her, and leaves.

I realize she didn't take the boy, but we know she belives or claims the little girl is abused. Perhaps she knew Smokey would be back in a few minutes - maybe she sat in a vechile and watched until Smokey got home - I don't know - I would not tip over from shock if I found out Bio-Grandma did it - she seems to think she knows where the little girl is and is always using her air-time to scandalize Potty-Mouth.

Navigator I agree with you (I always do because you make such good points). Once again, hoping that is the case because at least sweet Haleigh would be alive. My understanding was bio grandma was called because they couldn't reach bio mom right away. Wonder if bio mom showed up with Haleigh and then left to drive down to dad's and then bio grandma took Haleigh somewhere. Did grandma and bio mom show up together? I distinctly remember hearing bio mom didn't leave for hours after getting the phonecall, which seemed odd. Maybe bio grandma had some pre-arranged meeting at a drop off? God I hope it turns out to be as simple as that. Noticed Nancy Grace hasn't had anything on this case in a couple of days. Too busy covering Selfish Party Slut Anthony.

Kim-

It makes so much sense that a family member took her, if one considers how easily it was pulled off.

At first I just kind of sat back and gave Dry-Eyes the benfit of the doubt. She took a polygraph and gave interviews - fair enough. My first impression of her was, wow, she sure is holding it together.

I was really affected when I saw Dry-Eyes given the opportunity to make a plea for her daughter on live TV. When they said go ahead and make your plea, she looked a little surprised. Then, she closed her eyes and took a breath. I felt sad and sick when she did that because I thought, O my, this mother is trying to collect herself to get through this plea for daughter; I felt (for a split second) so sorry for her. Then, she started her plea. She said a few things and then stopped mid-sentence AS IF she could no longer speak because she was crying; thing is, she wasn't crying. Then they kept the camera on her. She had laid her head on the Dry-Eyed Grandma as if she was falling apart and could not talk anymore. She whimpered a bunch of times but no tears came out of her eyes. I'm not kidding; I think she may have looked at the camera through the corner of her eye.

I would be positive she is involved if I wasn't aware of her drug use - drug use can affect tear-ducts and emotions etc.

But the grandma is not a drug addict (I don't think.)

I can say this. If I knew my child's mother was endangering my child by leaving her alone, doing drugs in front of her, whatever, I would go over there and try to film it through the window, or catch her in the act, or, if she was leaving my child alone, I'd go in and take her. There is nothing strange about the scenario.

If this scenario is what happened...

My guess is it just got taken too far. They should have taken the child out for safety purposes (both children) and then called 911 and told the police they took the children out of the home as an act of child protection because they were alone. The Human Services would have been called. Smokey and the Bandit would have been in deep doo-doo and it would have all been documented. Smokey would have been found high as a kite, drugs in the house, a gun; whatever.

It would now just appear that they got dumb-ass idea to pretend they didn't know where the little girl was and it started snowballing big-time.

Now they are continuously trying to expose Potty-Mouth for being abusive, drug addicted whatever. It seems like it may have dawned on them that you can't kidnap a child and hide it forever. Now they are trying to rally public support because eventually that little girl is going to have to turn up.

Just a theory, but it makes sense.

Keep an eye on Bio-Grandma.

Navigator I pray you are right. I hope if the police think of this, they will offer them immunity in return for the girl's safe recovery. I think it's weird we haven't heard anything in two days. I was hoping no news was good news and maybe some discovery was going to happen yesterday. I think Jessica's theory about the door propping makes a lot of sense. What are your feelings on that? Would a man prop the door open? Would a man change the child before he left with her? What about the 'man in black' sighting by the brother? Where do you think that fits in here?

Kim-

No doubt, the door propping really seems like a woman thing. A man doesn't worry about that.

That is good. Statistically, women don't kidnap and murder. Men do.

The clothes thing was real maternal too. In fact, it was something a grandma would do (as opposed to her irresponsible druggy kid.)

NAVIGATOR/KIM..THAT DOES SEEM LIKE THE THEORY, I HOPE THE DETECTIVES ARE CONSIDERING THIS AS A STRONG POSSIBILITY. ALSO I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHY THE BIO.MOM OR BIO.MOM'S MOTHER HAD NOT FILED FOR AN EMERGENCY CUSTODY HEARING TO RESTORE CUSTODY OF THE CHILDREN BACK TO THE MOTHER OR HER PARENTS..IF MY LITTLE BOY'S DAD LEFT MY SON IN THE CARE OF A TEENAGER, AND AS A RESULT MY DAUGHTER HAD BEEN ABDUCTED. THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS SAY "GIVE ME MY OTHER CHILD NOW!!" I WOULD ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THEY FOUND THE MISSING CHILD THAT IT WAS RETURNED TO ME. I WOULD ALSO BE PRETTY DANG UPSET WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR REMOVING MY CHILD FROM MY CUSTODY AND GIVING HER TO AN IDIOT. I WOULD BE TELLING THEM "YOU BETTER FIND MY CHILD, AND YOU BETTER HOPE SHE'S O.K.,OR THIS STATE IS GOING TO FACE THE BIGGEST LAW SUIT YOU'VE EVER SEEN!" ESPECIALLY IF CHILDRENS SERVICES HAD BEEN CALLED OUT AND DROPPED THE BALL, NOT CHECKING UP TO MAKE SURE HIS MOTHER WAS THE ONE BABYSITTING AS HE CLAIMED. BUT NO ONE ON THE MOTHERS SIDE HAS EXPRESSED ANY FEELINGS OF ANGER TOWARDS THE STATE. I HOPE THEY ARE HIDING HER SOMEWHERE AND SHE IS SAFE. MAYBE THEY DIDN'T THINK THE MEDIA WOULD BE ALL OVER THIS, AND LIKE YOU SAID NOW THEY ARE SCARED TO ADMIT THEY TOOK HER.

ALSO..I BELIEVE THE LITTLE BOY WAS WITH BIO.MOM FOR VISITATION WHEN THE "MAN IN BLACK" STORY EMERGED. NOW, I HAVE TO WONDER IF THIS WAS AN IDEA PUT IN THE CHILDS MIND TO DISTRACT INVESTIGATORS. I REMEMBER SEEING HER ON NANCY GRACE AND SHE REPEATED THE STORY WITH SUCH A FLAT TONE.(WHICH SHE ALWAYS DOES)THEN SHE ADDED "I DIDN'T QUESTION HIM" SHE SAYS SHE JUST CALLED INVESTIGATORS AND LEFT IT UP TO THE EXPERTS. I HAVE A VERY HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT ANY MOTHER WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SO SHAKEN BY THIS STATEMENT, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TRIED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PERSON. IF ANYONE MAY HAVE SEEN THE MAN WHO TOOK MY CHILD, I WOULD PLEAD FOR ANY TINY DETAIL. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD HAVE THE FRAME OF MIND TO NOT ASK..WAS HE FAT? WAS HE SKINNY,SHORT OR TALL? WHITE,BLACK,HISPANIIC? MAYBE IT IS JUST WISHFUL THINKING, BUT I HOPE NAVIGATOR IS RIGHT.

Good point Jessica about the bio mom NOT pushing for emergency custody. You may be right. She may not be going after the state for fear they will turn and focus on her. I think there are some questions about why it took her so long to get down there. Like I wrote before, I saw somewhere she thought the phonecall about Haleigh's disappearance was a prank by her ex at first. VERY STRANGE REACTION!!! I would have been in my car before he could finish the word '...gone'.

Jessica-

Man, you hit some home runs in those two posts!

Yeah, no kidding. Why isn't Dry-Eyes and Bio-Grandma going flippin nuts on the state? As all they should be saying is "I told you so - I told you so - I told you so!!! We tried to tell you - we tried to tell you!!!"

You are right. I have not heard of any court actions to protect the little boy. Why not?

The "Man in Black" thing was weird. I had gotten the same feeling you describe. She said, I didn't question him." Oh, BS!!! Anyone would. All of a sudden she is little miss cool calm and collected anout a stranger who took her daughter dressed in balck. Yeah right. It wouldn't sprise me if she put that in the child's head to mae the abductor a "MAN."

Remember folks, in all situations of life, when we are trying to fgure something out, the SIMPLEST solution is almost ALWAYS the correct one.

For instnace, if your TV doesn't turn on [child missing], does that mean the picture tube is shot (abducted by murderous stranger]. Probably not - check and see if it's plugged in [Family Member].

Keep watching Bio-Grandma.

Anything that is dawning on us, the police have already been onto for a long time. They have hours and hours and hours of interviews and other evidence that we don't even know about.

This case is so strange. You can't figure any of these people out. Who's sincere, who knows anything, or doesn't. I'm just confused. I hope the mother was forced to give DNA. Don't understand that unless she is afraid a DNA test will reveal that she uses drugs (as if they don't know that already). I also noticed NG hasn't talked about this case lately. Stuck on the evil woman I don't want to see or hear about ever again, until she's convicted and sentenced. Yes, Navigator, I saw the tattoo. Stupid. $400 worth of a tattoo that does nothing. Would that $400 (plus alcohol, cigarette, drug costs) been used more wisely if they had given to the search efforts or to up the reward? Did anyone think of that? No. It's not about Haleigh, it's about him. I hate when people do such self-indulgent things instead of giving to a cause. If he accepted a gift to get a tattoo he should have said "give to the search" "give to the reward" "help find haleigh." Selfish and tacky (tacky is the nicest word I can think of), it's worse than that. I want to believe this family but they are making it difficult.

Did anyone hear anymore about the missing sex offender from her area? (Chad?) That hasn't been mentioned since the beginning. I did see on another blog, apparently a family member, friend or someone he knew chimed in and said that he is a loved, real person, that is missing also. Response to that person from several were basically, he's not a real person, he's a sex offender. He may have taken her. He doesn't deserve people to be searching for him as a missing person, unless they are serching as a suspect. I believe that the situation in the home and around the home (I still can't believe there is 44 sex offenders within 5 miles of where those children live) made a tragedy likely. Haleigh and all children deserve to be protected from family, and neighbors, but they are not safe with family from family or neighbors. I am ashamed of the society that lives below what humanity is supposed to be. I pray we are forgiven for ignoring the signs of iniquity and for allowing it to continue.

Heads up on the large amount of sex offenders concentrated on one area. My undertsanding is that very few of them were of a level that would "abduct." They were just your average, run of the mill, perverts. I guess there is some talk that this case may bring some legislation that will help in situtins like this because so much valuable time got wasted checking on non-violent offenders who wouldn't do this (you know, pervs who get teenage girls drunk and get it on them - kind of like Potty-Mouth.)I guess most of them were not even considered capable of this and it was a huge waste of resources.

tesst said it all. Potty-Mouth goes and wastes a bunch of money on a tramp-stamp and booze - the man has no class and barely any brains.

Have you ever thought: If Dry-Eyes knows where the little girl is, she is torturing Potty-Mouth in the worst possible way. She may be sitting back and enjoying how bad he has to suffer for his sins.

He has called her names, punched her while she was pregnant, and who knows what else. If she is involved, she is proably getting revenge for the years of his King Turdishness - evry day he dies a little.

On the other hand, she will have to suffer for making him suffer (if she's behind this.)

If Potty-Mouth led a clean life his daughter would still be with him.

agree. They live a life that puts children (not to mention themselves) in danger, in jeapardy. This is an unsafe and scary world if you do the best you can, but to do the worst you're begging for tragedy in you life. People can say "don't judge them" but their lives are lives of self-indulgent waste. Wasted lives. A child's life in danger or gone. Yes, that's the focus, but if we can look at the reason, we can prevent it. It happens every single day. We need to find out what we need to do to protect children. If he had been put in jail for drugs/abuse/crimes we haven't even heard about, that probably have been committed this probably wouldn't have happened. It drives me crazy that those working on this case, don't seem to know, I hope they do, but I can't see if it was one of these people, why there hasn't been an arrest, a plea for them to get an attorney because they will need one. Haleigh needs justice, and if she ever returns, she needs to be placed in a home that puts children, not themselves first. I think anyone would agree, (as Navigator's last comment says more frankly, the Cleavers or Nelsons never had to worry about this happening. Yes, they are not real, but their "were" families that could be compared to them.

NAVIGATOR
HAVE TO TELL YOU FIRST OFF THAT I LOVE THE NICKNAMES YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM. THEY ARE PERFECT. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE ON THIS ONE...WHAT IF BIO.MOM OR BIO.GRANDMOTHER DID TAKE HER,THEN GOT SCARED BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEDIA ATTENTION, NOW THAT THE REWARD FOR THE SAFE RETURN IS GROWING, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY REALIZE IF THEY HIDE HER OUT A FEW MORE WEEKS, WE CAN WAIT TIL THIS THING GETS UP TO ABOUT 100 GRAND AND HAVE SOMEONE WE TRUST JUST HAPPEN TO FIND HER IN A PARKING LOT AND GET ALL THE REWARD MONEY.MAYBE THAT COULD BE THE HOLD UP(FIGURING OUT WHO COULD BE TRUSTED THAT WOULDN'T BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THEM). I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE THAT SMART, AND IT SEEMS FAR FETCHED, BUT SO DOES A CHILD BEING TAKEN FROM THIER OWN BED WITH THE BABYSITTER SLEEPING IN THE SAME ROOM.

hmm. that is a though..that she took him, wants him to suffer, enjoys watching him suffer. I though, surely she wouldn't allow the whole country to spend time, resources, looking for Haleigh. But maybe she really didn't think it would get such coverage, and like you said, now she's afraid to reveal that she is wherever she is. But then, I can't believe she would not be scared to death to do it with Caylee Anthony case getting so much attention. The police, investigators, prosecuters were relentless on the search, and then on Casey with evidence. It's hard to believe the mother took Haleigh. But she's drug damaged you can tell she doesn't think right. She is probably doesn't know reality. Maybe even as close as she is, she didn't know that much about the Anthony case. I remember the first night NG mentioned Haleigh, that "the mother lives too far away to have done it." That was wrong, and was out of character for NG. She is always suspicious of the family. She hasn't shown that with this case at all. She hasn't investigated so much with this one. It's (1) she's too obsessed with "the tot-mom" or (2) Trinton Ducket case has her spooked about questioning, investigating.
I just want them to find this poor child! Like so many, it's consumed so much of my time and emotions. It's hard to believe that we are talking about a real 5 year old that is who knows where.

jessica-

Thanks - I use character names that describe their personality rather than their real names. I don't know them so using their real name seems too intimate for me.

Money is the root of all evil - they could be eyeing the money. It would be stupid though. They are going to get caught; period.

For one thing, people like this do not engage in selfless love. They are selfish and primitive. They live for immediate pleasures and the moment at hand. When they breakup, they savage each other. When it's over foor good between Smokey and the Bandit, look out. Smokey is going to tell the world all about this pig named Ronald Cummings - she'll probably get a book deal (unless she's in prison.) Wait until she and Dry-Eyes start exchanging notes.

People like this are animated by intoxicants and sex-demons. They are gluttons with no real moral code to follow down life's road. When Potty-Mouth calls Smokey a "bitch" one too many times, she is going to use him up and spit him out. "He raped me." "I wanted to leave but I was scared." "He does coke in front of his kids." You name it - the love experienced by these kinds of people is not spiritual, it is only physical and primitive.

One of the biggest problems they are going have now is the "return" (assuming their in one) of the child. How do you orchestrate that and still not get caught?

Agree agree agree! I appreciate your sermon and agree 100%. Oh yeah, I mentioned that it was awful that these children live where 44 sex offenders live (and it was pointed out, and I agree, yes, thanks for the reminder that even though all sex offenders are in their own class, there is a special class that is a small percent that would abduct, or violently attack.) But I said, and every one says 44, I think that is 45. He would be in that class too. Those 44 offenders, I'm sure also include men abusing teenage girls. Just maybe the exposure that this is getting will awaken people to the dangers they put their children in when the live this way. Somewhere deep inside (some) of these addicts there's hope of wanting to do better. I pray this helps. We need to see more of these sad lives to realize what is going on in the sub culture of existence (I can't call it "homes", that's no home,) rats can call their nexts homes, but this is worse than a rats next or a snakes den. I could preach forever on how disgusted I am at people so self-serving and we wonder what happened?

TSST
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NANCY GRACE THING. I BELIEVE NANCY IS SUSPICIOUS OF THE FAMILY BUT DOESN'T WANT TO UPSET THEM TO THE POINT THEY WON'T TALK TO HER ANYMORE. BUT, I HAVE NOTICED THAT SHE WILL ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PANEL TO SLIDE SOME THINGS IN WITHOUT GIVING THEM AVERBAL BEATING THE WAY SHE OFTEN DOES WITH THE UPPOSING OPINION. NANCY IS VERY SMART AND I SOMETIMES WONDER IF SHE ISN'T JUST GIVING THEM ENOUGH ROPE TO HANG THEMSELVES WITH. SHE KNOWS ANY INFO. THEY GIVE HER OR ANY CONFLICTING STATEMENTS THEY MAKE IN THIER VARIOUS INTERVIEWS CAN BE USED AGAINST THEM LATER AS SHE SAYS "ALL CAUGHT ON TAPE". THIS AND THE ANTHONY CASE HAVE CONSUMED ME ALSO. THAT IS ONE REASON WHY I'M SO GLAD WE CAN DISCUSS TOGETHER. I THINK I HAVE DROVE MY HUSBAND AND FRIENDS NUTTS TALKING ABOUT IT SO MUCH. SO I AM HAPPY TO HAVE FOUND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE AS INTERESTED AS ME.

yes, jessica, you're probably right. NG is smart, and maybe she's holding off, but I've watched her for years and I've not seen her wait for someone else to figure it out. She likes to be the one. It puzzles me why she's backed off this case, and you may have the answer. I hope that that is what is happening with all involved with investigating too. They're waiting, knowing someone will slip, and hang themselves, but it's not like Nancy to not hold the rope for them! I just can't believe its been this long if that's the case. Or maybe we're all wrong, these people are all geniuses in disguise! Like you, I get so involved in these cases. It would be a good mystery (or maybe not, I wouldn't want anyone making up such horrible stories) - if it weren't real. It's tragic that we are talking about real people. If my husband hears "tot-mom" or "breaking (old worn out) news" he's going to break the TV! (and I may help him.) Practically every waking hour I am thinking, praying, or checking on these children.

Nancy Grace has continuously stuck up for Smokey and the Bandit in this. It's irritating.

One of her guests (that bald guy) told her there is more to this - he said Potty-Mouth Ron made a strange comment about "Ya'll are playing fucking games" and he said there was something weird going on. Nancy Grace got all pissed off at him - they really got into it - he told her off - he was pissed - he said "I guess I don't have any experience at this - I guess you have all the answers."

Sometimes Nancy get's a little too bleedy heart for the wrong person. She is great attorney but she should listen to trained investigators - she allows her emotions to sway her logic sometimes I think.

Nontheless, she is a victim's advocate, so may God bless her.

Navigator, couldn't agree more. I couldn't believe he told her off or (somewhat) put her in her place. She rarely gives them a chance. I remember that she almost defended Ron's language. That made me mad that she acted like, it's ok, and people talk this way to eachother. The 911 operator handled it very well, and she defended him for getting so furious about asking for Haleigh's BD. I agree that sometimes she gets emotionally compassionate toward the wrong people (rarely) but I almost think she is in this case.
But, like you said with all her faults, and sometimes she makes me crazy how rude she is, she is a victims advocate and keeps cases that the mainstream media couldn't care less about so I wish her Godspeed. But who in the world is reporting on this case? Nothing's happening! Or, hopefully it's all fitting together perfectly for those that know what's going on and we'll understand it all within a few days. Surely this child will not go into the neverending files of cold cases. I still want to know what they know about the missing registered sex offender. I'm not an investigator, in any type of work that would make me remotely knowledgeable, and I know that the worst thing they can do is focus too much on one possibility. But that one seems pretty obvious. I just hope there's (a lot) more progress with this case than we've been made aware of.

I CAN AGREE, BUT I STILL BELIEVE NANCY AS A FORMER PROSECUTER CAN'T BE BUYING EVERYTHING THIS FAMILY IS SAYING. I ALSO STILL THINK THAT NAVIGATOR IS RIGHT AND WE SHOULD KEEP WATCHING BIO.MOM AND HER MOTHER. I ALSO AGREE THAT THERE ARE ALOT OF OTHER POSSIBLE THEORIES. THERE IS THE MISSING SEX OFFENDER, THE FACT THAT DRUG ADDICTS OR DEALERS COULD'VE BEEN INVOLVED,THE WIERDO COUSIN. IT IS REALLY A MESS WITH SO MANY DISFUNCTIONAL PEOPLE INVOLVED. I HOPE INVESTIGATORS ARE NOT UNDERESTIMATING WHAT ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF. IT IS EASY TO DO,BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE SUCH REDNECKS. BUT, LET'S NOT CONFUSE BEING UNEDUCATED WITH BEING SLOW. THEY AREN'T SLOW, THEY HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL IN WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT HOW LONG AND HOW OFTEN RON LEFT THE CHILDREN WITH MISTY, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN VERY CAREFUL NOT TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW LONG RON AND MISTY HAVE BEEN DATING. THEY DON'T WANT TO IMPLICATE HIM IN ANY OTHER CRIMES, REGARDLESS OF HIS INVOLEMENT IN THIS. THEY ALL ACT LIKE THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING. I THINK THIS MAY BE WHY N.G. SEEMS TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM, I THINK SHE BELIEVES THEY ARE TO STUPID TO PLOT A COVER UP. I CAN SEE WHY THE POLICE SAY EVERYONE IS STILL A SUSPECT. I AM NOT PASSING JUDGEMENT ON THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE POOR, OR LIVE IN A MOBILE HOME. MY GRANMOTHER ALWAYS SAID "THE DIFFERNCE IN BEING POOR AND BEING TRASH,IS THAT POOR PEOPLE WANT BETTER." A NORMAL MAN MAY HAVE BEEN IMPATIENT WITH THE POLICE, MAY HAVE CURSED AND MADE THREATS, BUT WOULD ALSO BE THANKFUL TO GOD THAT THIER GIRLFRIEND AND SON WEREN'T RAPED/MURDERED IN THAT BED.NOT BE CALLING HER A DUMB BITCH! IF THEY ARE METH USERS, THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. I HEARD THAT METH ADDICTS STAY AWAKE FOR DAYS, TO THE POINT THEY HALUCINATE AND WHEN THEY CRASH THEY CAN SLEEP FOR DAYS AT A TIME. THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY MISTY DIDN'T WAKE UP. I'M NOT SURE IF A LIE DETECTOR TEST WOULD BE AS EFFECTIVE ON A DRUG USER, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIER BRAIN RESPONDS LIKE A NORMAL PERSON.

I can about guarantee you that if Nancy Grace thought that Ron, Misty, or Crystal had anything to do with this, she'd be all over it.

She has it in for all those "tot moms" etc., thank goodness, and she wouldn't let this lie if she had any inkling that they were behind it.

I watch her every night, and I watched her early on. She questioned Crystal within an inch of her life, trust me.

Wow, there were alot of good comments to catch up on tonight when returning home from work. I am also very glad to have this to read and discuss, because my husband is also sick of the news, between tot mom and this one. I however cannot be in the dark about it. Nancy Grace IS completely different with this one though, I can't figure her out either with this abduction. If the bio grandma wanted to catch them messing up with those kids, I personally would have staked out the home and waited for the girlfriend to leave, then I would have gone inside gathered those children up and drove straight to the police or sherriffs office and said something HAS to be done about these children being left alone, but not steal them or Haleigh and let this go on for weeks on end. thats my only problem with that theory, because if it turns out to be the mom or grandma, they are NOT going to get to keep those kids once the whole story unravels, or have they not thought that far yet?? also, the tattoo is rediculous, come on who has their crap together at a time like this to think about getting a tattoo, I would have to be reminded to breath! ok I am done!

Nancy Grace really disappointed me a few times on this. She refuses to condemn anything - all of a sudden she's all liberal. She's defending Potty-Mouth's foul language. She doesn't condemn Smokey for her stories that keep changing.She talked about Potty-Mouth's name-calling of Smokey (calling Smokey a bitch) as if that's okay to do that. The only problem is, it's not ok to do that.

I don't know, but there is always the possibility that Nancy Grace is playing ball with police. The media does that sometimes whether people like it or not. Nancy Grace keeps scheduling them for the show, they keep appearing, and the cops get statements on the record without having to take them in. I am reserving judgement on Grace right now because she may have had to make a touch decision (a child's life may hang in the balance.)

It ticks me off that she won't push te subject of Lee Anthony be Caylee Anthony's biological father (everything points to it - everything), but I won't get started on that.

I'm CST so she'll be on in about 15 minutes.

I have been following this case from day one. Bio-mom was not trying to avoid giving DNA. I in fact heard her say on TV that she had a doctor's appointment that day and they met her at the doctors office and she gave it to them. Also I'd like to add that there was a "Rainbow Gathering" in the national forest in Ocala about 30 miles away at the time of Hayleighs disappearance. Lots of people who are fugitives or hiding go there. What if someone bio-mom new took Haleigh to the forest to hide her? Only Federal Marshalls can search the national forests.

Awesome forum, great comments. Navigator, you are brilliant. I have also been following this case from day one and stumbled across this forum. I have been reading all of your comments over the last week or so. So many theories, but I'm stumped.
The reason I finally decided to post a comment was in regards to Navigator's comment regarding Lee Anthony being Caylee's father. I had never even thought about that possibility. I know that it is an unrelated topic, but I just wondered, what makes you think that? You have really peaked my curiousity.

Ok, I think this is the first post since Nancy and Co toured the actual house where Haleigh was "abducted" from. It was on tv tonight.
Would somebody please tell me the actual final story as to who was sleeping where? It has changed so many times. Now they are back to "they were all 3 sleeping in the same room." Here's my take----NO WAY SOMEBODY CAME IN AND GOT HALEIGH IF THEY WERE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM!! Did anybody watch tonight? Her bed was nothing but a mattress on the floor. Do you know how difficult it is to bend down that far and lift a child practically from the floor up without making a sound?? No way!!! Her bed was just inches from Misty's. Either Misty's story is a lie or she was just not home when Haleigh was taken.
I also think the "man in black" idea was planted in the child's mind. It's not hard to do.

I watched show and am even more confused than before!!! I now feel that Misty was not home at the time or she has something to do with this. The abductor 100% knew this house. They knew the door slammed shut and where Haleigh slept. The biggest clue that makes me doubt Mistys story is the fact that the wood door(not the screen door that was propped open) also shuts on it's own!!....so how could Misty say that the door was wide open???? Huge red flag!!!! I have defended Ronald but have some doubt after watching NG tonight. Oh and with those of you whose husbands are sick of NG.... Let me join your club. My husband walks aroung saying "bombshell!" just to aggravate me. My kids feel the same way. They are sick of HLN, but I can't get enough of this case. I really do want this little girl to be found.

I agree NG can be "over the top" at times with the melodrama. But here is the way you should look at it, you never know when it might be your next door neighbor that this happens to. These shows keep the case in the limelight and many times bring the case to closure sooner than it would have been.
OK, another Misty mystery, she says she got up to go to the bathroom and saw the kitchen light on----again, no way! The bathroom is right there attached to the master bedroom where she was sleeping, she didnt' even have to leave the room itself to go to the bathroom.
Misty's story just doesn't make sense.

It's funny, on a night full of bombshells she never said "bombshell!" once. I am really surprised she hasn't trashed Misty. She did question Theresa Neves if she REALLY did believe Misty was home. Neves said yes and NG left it there. I discussed this case with my mother over lunch and she thinks Ron did something to Haleigh. Like I said earlier this case gets more confusing every day. The only other thing that was strange was the tattoo. Usually people get tattoos when someone has passed away. I think it is too soon for him to be getting a tattoo.

Oh, and I agree about the bathroom. Makes no sense why she would use other restroom and not the one in master bedroom.

MarnieLynn in Canada - Thank you!

I realize this is not a Casey Anthony forum but I am going to answer MarnieLynn's question. Please forgive me anyone that I might be ticking off by getting off topic, here. I believe Lee Anthony is Caylee's father because:

- They have never named the father of the little girl. It is an accepted mystery. Sneaky Cindy said "they made a decison" long ago to not puruse that (or something like that.)
- They said the father died in a car accident (yet, they won't name him.)
- Lee says weird/creepy stuff to Casey. They call each other sweetheart (even dad George calls Casey "gorgeous")
- Casey told one of her boyfriends that her brother Lee tried something sexual on her.
- Lee's attorney told him not to answer that question when he was asked in a deposition. Why?
- Broke-ass Cssey is stealing from her daughter's piggy-bank. If she knew the daddy and he was dead she would puruse social security and other money so fast it would make your head spin. So would have the parents.
- Broke-ass Casey would have been demanding child-support right off the bat.
- It explains the un-explainable. She had to raise her brother's kid. If there is deep rooted incest in that creepy family, Caseys' being such a mental freak is no longer a mystery - incest is as bad as it gets - everything logical is out the window.
- The little girls name. Cay-Lee
- In her diary she wrote stuff about believing she was doing the best thing. She may have been breaking the cycle of incest she knew would otherwise continue.
- She could not bear the secret anymore. Look how free she felt after she killed the little girl. Casey's nightmare was over, for a short while.

I could go one but I won't; onto Haleigh.

I saw two walk-throughs tonight - Nancy Grace and Greta.

The bathroom Smokey should have used was right in the room with her. There was no reason for her to walk further into the house to use a bathroom when she had a toilet just a few steps away. More that makes no senese. We have to keep suspending reality to believe her.

It appears to me she lies, and says she had to get up and go to the bathroom, because she needs to create a scenario that has her at home, sleeping, at that time. She also has to explain why she was up at three in the morning. It seems to me she wasn’t at home and someone just waltzed right in. She came in right before Potty-Mouth was to get home.

Again, as we have discussed, who re-dresses a child to kill her? Who stops in the entry way under a light? The probability of a stranger walking into a house, knowing where to go, turning on lights, and taking a child from a room where there is a grown-up, is nearly zilch. It is commonly accepted that if you try to steal a woman’s child in front of her she will rip your face off and bite your eyes out – it is not an acceptable risk.

The bed was on the floor. It had to be a strong man. Just a few feet and he will bump a bed with an adult in it. You would have to imagine the abductor would have had to actually step on the mattress just to lift her with his legs. Was there any footprints?

However, something caught my attention. The one grandma said they go to bed watching DVD movies. If a movies was running that might create enough noise to conceal noise. But Smokey has never said the movie was playing.

Now I'm going to get on Dry-Eyes' mom again. I saw her making a statement to a news crew and, again, something about her is wrong. She was stating that the house had been cleared and they had not found anything. She said they did not find any DNA. The thing is, she sounded almost excited. She sounded like she was declaring it. Announcing it. She didn't look disappointed (which she should be.) She sounded almost upbeat. Relived, perhaps?

Potty-Mouth's mom is so heartbroken and sad that she can barely function. She looks like she is struggling just to walk - just to exist. On the other hand, Dry-Eyed Bio-Grandma doesn't shed a tear. Something is wrong about that.

Finally, I noticed something that Potty-Mouth said. He advised whoever has his daughter that she is “not property.” He didn’t ask them to not hurt her or anything like that. He seemed to be communicating with someone who he thought might take his child as if property. It seemed like maybe he owes somebody something, so they took his daughter. He is saying, that is against the rules, man. He also referred to his daughter as “blood.” It almost seemed to me that he is in debt and somebody took her as payment, or insurance until he pays.

I saw on another board someone theorize that Smokey did drugs with the Tennessee Pervert and paid for the drugs with Potty-Mouth’s gun. But Potty-Mouth wouldn’t let him have it.

One final thought. Smokey could have been in the room but was passed out. If she was passed out she would not have woken up. The abdcutor could test shake her first. "Hey, get up. Get up" and she doesn't move. Then, he's free to take the little girl.

NAVIGATOR
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT ABOUT MISTY BEING PASSED OUT AND THE SHAKE TEST. IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE THE STORY OF MISTY TRADING THE GUN FOR DRUGS HAS THE RING OF TRUTH TO IT. THIS MAY BE WHAT MISTY IS HIDING. RON AND COUSIN HAD A BIG FIGHT OVER THE GUN DEAL SO I'M SURE HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE OVER THERE ANYMORE, BUT MISTY PROBABLY LET HIM COME BACK OVER ANYWAY IF SHE THOUGHT THEY COULD PARTY SOME MORE. HE COULD'VE GOT HER REAL MESSED UP ON PURPOSE SO THAT HE COULD TAKE THE LITTLE GIRL. I'M SURE IF THIS WAS TRUE MISTY WOULD NEVER TELL THAT LITTLE TID'BIT. IF POLICE WOULD START DOING SOME BLUFFING AND THREATENING TO MAKE SOME ARRESTS, MAYBE ONE OF THEM WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH WOULD START SPILLING INFO. LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE THIS ISN'T REAL LOVE. IF THEY EVER GET SCARED AT EACH OTHER THEY WILL TURN ON ONE ANOTHER LIKE SNAKES. OR MAYBE SINCE IN MISTY'S ADOLESENT MIND SHE LOVES RON SO MUCH IF SHE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO GET BLAMED SHE WOULD TELL WHAT SHE KNOWS. THEY ARE ALL TOO TIGHT. IF THEY ARE INNOCENT IT IS HORRIBLE WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. BUT MAYBE THE FBI NEEDS TO TRY TO PLAY SOME MIND GAMES AND TURN THEM AGAINST EACHOTHER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I KNOW THIS IS CRUEL IF THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING. BUT THAT LITTLE BABY IS INNOCENT, AND I SAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIFE OF A CHILD,WHO CARES? ADULTS CAN HANDLE THEMSELVES AND THEY NEED TO THROW BIENG SENSITIVE, OR POLITICALY CORRECT OUT THE WINDOW.

Smokey said her pervert cousin "tried something on her." She didn't tell the police that right away either, I don't think.

Did she do something with him. Did she go half-way? Did she leave him extremely frustrated and angry? Did she lead him to believe they were going to "party" and then after she used his drugs not put out?

I thought I heard the police cleared the Tennesee Pervert, though. Of course, they could clear him to his face, then GPS his vehicle.

Or...

Did Potty-Mouth do drugs with the Tennessee Pervert and then screw him on the deal after the drugs were done.

He keeps telling who ever took the little girl "she's not yours" and "she not property" and "she's blood." It's as if he is saying, "Hey man, she is a person, not a gun or money, give her back."

THERE IS JUST SO MUCH ABOUT ALL OF THIS THAT IS ABNORMAL. I GOT THE SAME FEELING ABOUT THE "PROPERTY" AND "SHE'S MY BLOOD". I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE SAYING ANYTHING THAT MY PISS THE KIDNAPPER OFF. IF HE THINKS WHOEVER HAS HER COULD BE AN ENEMY OF HIS, YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN'T REMIND THEM THAT SHE IS PART OF YOU. HE SHOULD SAY THINGS LIKE "PLEASE,DON'T HURT HER."SHE IS JUST A LITTLE GIRL."SHE NEEDS HER DR." OR ASK THEM TO DROP HER OFF SOMEWHERE, OR ASK IF THEY WILL ATLEAST LET SOMEONE KNOW IF SHE IS STILL ALIVE. HE NEEDS TO DROP THE "I'M SUCH A BAD-ASS ROUTINE" SWALLOW HIS PRIDE, AND BEGG. YOU DON'T PUT PRIDE OVER YOUR CHILDS LIFE.

AS FOR THE BIO. MOM SHE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THESE INTERVIEWS WITH SUCH FLAT,EMOTIONLESS, RESPONSES. MY ADVISE..IF THIS WAS MY CHILD, TAKEN FROM ME BY THE STATE AND GIVEN TO AN IDIOT WHO LET HER GET ABDUCTED, I WOULD BE FURIOUS! I WOULD BE DEMANDING THAT THE STATE FIND MY DAUGHTER, AND THAT THEY GIVE ME OR MY MOTHER MY SON BACK NOW!" WE ALL KNOW $$ TALKS. AND I WOULS BE DEMANDING THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA PUT SOME MAJOR BUCKS UP FOR THE SAFE RETURN OF MY DAUGHTER. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THE STATE SHOULD BE OFFERING AT LEAST ONE MILLION DOLLARS. THIS IS THERE MESS. WHETHER OR NOT CRYSTAL IS ANYMORE QUALIFIED,THER WERE OTHER OPTIONS. THE DEPT. OF CHILDREN'S SERVICES FAILED THIS LITTLE GIRL.

I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR RONALD'S MOTHER, I CAN TELL SHE IS HEART BROKEN. SHE SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE HAVING A NORMAL REACTION. I SAW ON N.G. ONE NIGHT HER TALKING ABOUT HALEIGH AND HOW SHE LOVED DOLLS, AND NAIL POLISH. IF A STRANGER DID TAKE HER THAT IS THE SORT OF STUFF THAT SHOULD BE SAID, SO SHE'S SEEN AS A REAL PERSON.

Hi everyone. Well I missed a lot when I was working last night. Came home to some great observations. I caught a little of the Nancy Grace tour of the mobile home. Thing that struck me as quite odd was the way the screen door slams and the wooden door closes softly by itself. Misty said she noticed the door wide open, but as demonstrated, that door doesn't stay wide open. Also, whomever took the child obviously had knowledge of the slamming screen door. That's why it was propped open. I hope the police are all over that stuff and are formulating some theory.

I also saw Nancy Grace making a comment that she thought it was strange that Misty would have left the bedroom to use the bathroom across the living room. On Misty's behalf, I can almost understand that. I, myself, have been known to go out of my way to use a bathroom farthest away from sleeping kids so the flushing doesn't wake them. That didn't strike me as odd that she didn't use the master bathroom. I was, however, kind of saddened by the sleeping arrangements in the home. Poor Haleigh sleeping on a crib mattress on the floor and Misty and the brother sharing a twin mattress also on the floor. Do you mean to tell me they couldn't afford to buy a couple of bed frames and get the beds off the floor? I know dogs that have better beds to sleep on. And in a way I feel sorry for Misty having to sleep on twin bed with the brother. In a three bedroom house, after a day of watching two small kids, she has no private room to call her own. Very sad conditions. But now, having seen the arrangement, I find it strange that the brother was awakened by a 'man in black' and Misty wasn't. She wasn't awakened by the brother being THAT CLOSE to him. He didn't nudge her or anything after his sister was taken out of the room. Very odd. Something definitely doesn't add up here. And how could the dad afford tattoos and drugs and NOT provide a decent bed for his kids and caretaker to sleep on? Selfish, narcissistic behavior. Very obvious the kids were low priority here. Very sad.

Good comment about the bed situation vs having $$$ to have a tattoo. I thought that as I watched the walk thru last night with N.G. there was a large bed next to the crib mattress? But why is Haleigh sleeping on that little mattress, she is older and probably bigger than JR.? Why do they all sleep in the same room if it is a 3 bedroom home? Also I didn't understand that Misty was going to use the other bathroom, I thought that when she woke to use the bathroom, she noticed the kitchen light on and went and investigated, thus finding the door propped open? am I wrong on any of the above or heck maybe all!!? All I know is , time is ticking away for precious little Haleigh.

I'm not sure Misty's reason for 'getting up' (if she was even home), but when I saw the door situation, it immediately ocurred to me there was something wrong with her story. As Nancy Grace's producer pointed out, she wouldn't have 'seen' the back door propped open unless the wooden door was propped open as well, which it wasn't. The producer demonstrated a couple of times how the wooden, interior door closes by itself. So if she did 'awaken' in the middle of the night and saw the kitchen light on, she wouldn't have seen the screen door wide open. Surely if we are picking up on these things, then so are the police. I PRAY the investigators are on the ball here. It's weird, but with the Caylee Anthony case (and I was blown away by the previous comments on the 'weird' relationship between Lee and Casey - yuck! and the Cay-Lee connection and the social security thing....good points Navigator, as always), I had that gut feeling she was not going to be found alive. But with the Haleigh case, I have a feeling, hope its just not wishful thinking, that she IS alive. Anyone else feel that way? I know this sounds ridiculous, but I wish the police could just line up all the players in this case, put a gun to each of their heads, and demand the entire, truthful story. Guess that would be violating civil rights or some other crap like that....but I bet we'd find Haleigh a lot quicker than all this game playing. My personal opinion is we should have one set of laws for 90% of the crimes and a special, elite set used only when a child's life is at stake the other 10%.

I think you are not to bright either. This is hardly the type of 911 call one would make to look good. Why is he calling her f--- b--- and stupid b if they are in on it? The man is beside himself. He knows or feels in his heart some perv has his daughter. I hope that is not the case, that is what is on dads mind. There is another interview where he is in tears and someone mentions the boy was fine, he says ya imagine that. People say moms have instincts, but in this case the dad does. The Bio mom is out to lunch.

Kim, last night on N.G. Ron's Mom said that there was always dirty laundry at that back door on the floor, and Nancy's girl demonstrated that even one little shirt caused the door to stay open.

To Debbie. I didn't see that part. Are you saying a piece of laundry caused the wooden door to swing open and stay open?

To Lisa. Are you saying I'M not very bright? If you are, that's kind of rude. We are all just posting thoughts here. That would be the pot calling the kettle black anyway, as your post is confusing at best.

kim, yes, that girls dropped a small little shirt and the door stayed open, Nancy then asked Ron's Mom if there was usually dirty laundry there in that spot on the floor? Ron's Mom acted embarrased and said Yes Mamm, there is and Nancy fell all over her self and said like in every laundry room across the country!
I am not sure who Lisa is refering to either.

They did say that clothes on the floor would keep the door from closing.

The door was locked when everyone went to bed. First, someone had to get by a dead-bolt.

After they were inside they would have had to have dug through clothes and thrown some on the floor (likely if in a hurry) which prevented the door from closing (that is how Smokey claims she found it.) Clothes on the floor would be conisistent with the pink night-shirt being taken off the child. Again, it looks like she was re-dressed. Who re-dresses a child to take them out of a house? A woman does. Who re-dresses a child to kill the them? No-one. Who props open a pain-in-the-ass door to carry a child out? A woman does.

Where was Dry-Eyes that night. Where was Dry-Eyes' mom that night?

Seems more likely to me that somone came over and Smokey wasn't there so they took the little girl.

However, if Smokey wasn't there, where was she? Someone would have told the police by now. She couldn't have been alone. However, she could have been with the Tennesse Pervert in the vehicle they found abandoned.

I too, Navigator, believe more and more it was an inside job. My problem is that IF the bio mom and grandma snatched the girl, would they leave the little boy? I had written previously maybe they took the girl because she was 'being abused' and has a medical condition. But something stills bothers me. Even if that WERE the case, I find it hard to believe ANY MOTHER or grandmother would leave the younger brother unattended in the house. This all asuming Misty wasn't there. If Misty WAS there and passed out... well I don't think that's a chance bio mom would have taken. Imagine what would have happened if Misty woke up to Cristal leaving with Haleigh...

I agree the outside door had to have been propped open by someone who KNEW if it wasn't, it would make a bang upon leaving. Could have been that person had been at the house before. Cristal said she had never been in the house, but had she been there and knocked on the door and knew it had a loud history? Also hard to say. And if there were two people at the time of the kidnap, why would any door have to be propped. Someone would have been there to hold the door. So I believe the kidnapper acted alone. That's not to say someone wasn't waiting in a running car closeby.

And I don't buy the part about someone 'breaking in' through a door with a deadbolt on it. Who can do that? A simple knob lock, yes - with a credit card or whatever. But a deadbolt is a whole 'nother story. And I don't think you can pick one of those with a hairpin. So that turns me back around and looking at Misty. My gut is she wasn't there. Too many things happened. And like I said earlier. If Misty was right next to the boy and the boy woke up, he SURELY would have nudged her and asked where his sissy is going. I think that whole 'man in black' 'black man in black' is bull. So why would bio mom plant that in her son's head? Then I turn back around to bio mom. There are strong clues to both bio mom and Misty. I think Misty was gone. My GUT feeling is bio mom had something to do with it. Is it possible she sent the fiance in to grab the girl telling him to prop the door because it bangs. Maybe she was in the car and didn't want to be seen helping. Besides he wouldn't need help carrying the girl. Maybe both kids were sleeping and Misty was gone and by the time he went BACK to get the boy, they saw Misty stumbling home. Sure wish we could know for sure when Misty got home, if she were out. Bio mom would know Ron's schedule, right? Misty is the deal breaker here and she's either too dumb, too hungover, or too scared to say anything.

The more people involved in a crime against a child or any kind of crime try to create "boogiemen", the more suspicious they look. The man in black, the pervert cousin, the crazed nanny, the black man who hijacked my car with my kids in it in rural South Carolina, runaway bride's Hispanic man and woman who kidnapped me in a van, Scott Peterson's mysterious brown van that never materialized that his lawyer promised would be found, the drug cartel out to get Nicole Simpson, the cad that Stacy Peterson was text messaging before she left her small children that no one has ever found, and on and on.
I remain convinced now that this was an inside job. The story just doesn't wash now that we have seen the "scene of the crime".
As far as laundry on the floor, well, wouldn't it have been pushed back by the opening of the door from the outside or even the inside? And if it was there on the floor all the more reason the door would have closed on its own.
I have no idea who did this, but I do not believe the story that is being told as to what happened. Just too many holes in it.
The more they bring up these boogiemen, the more it takes the investigation away from WHERE IS HALEIGH?

I CAN'T SAY WHY BIO.MOM WOULD LEAVE THE LITTLE BOY IF MISTY WASN'T THERE. BUT IF MISTY WAS THERE PASSED OUT OR ASLEEP BIO MOM MAY HAVE PLANNED TO CREEP IN AND TAKE THEM BOTH NOT KNOWING THEY WOULD ALL BE IN THE SAME ROOM.MAYBE SHE THOUGHT IT WAS TO RISKY TO GET JR. FROM SAME BED. OR MAYBE HALEIGH HAD TOLD HER BIO.GRANDMOTHER OR MOM THAT THEY WERE MEAN TO HER AND ASKED THEM TO COME GET HER. IF SO MAYBE BIO.MOM TOLD HER WHEN SHE WAS COMING AND THE LITTLE GIRL GOT UP AND WENT TO THE BACK DOOR AS INSTRUCTED.I KNOW IT'S A LONG SHOT.

I wish I had seen the entire Nancy Grace last night. Was there anything of importance I missed? The only part I saw was when Nancy was pissed at the cameraman for filming the ceiling of the room and then the walk by the producer to the back door. I was surprised to even see that much considering her main focus lately has been the kissing skeletons on Casey Anthony's website and how she's not getting the death penalty because 'she looks pretty darn good in a push up bra and mini skirt'...

Native Texan - You got it right - when they start creating boogimen that were not reported at first, something is up.

On the issue of leaving the little boy behind...

I personally do not have a gard time with that; I'll explain why.

The abductor may have had (or rapidly developed on the spot) an agenda to accomplish. Sure, leaving the little boy behind in an un-safe situation seems horrendous, but it may be that the situation is like that day after day after day. The abductor may have known that the little boy will not even wake up until morning. Smokey will be there or dad will be there one way or another.

It would be a neceasary evil in a plan like this - I mean, the little boy would most likey be fine (and he was.)

The agenda may have been to either (1) orotect the little girl, or (2) expose Smokey and the Bandit, (3) get even.

Either way it worked. However, if they would have taken the little girl the cops would have INSTANTLY known who did it. The fact that it was just the little girl clouds evrything and creates all kinds of possibilities.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the little biy thing - they knew he would be fine.

Have you guys heard that song some guy wrote about the little girl that got put on YouTube today?

It's called "Haleigh's Cheek."

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6u0p-WuiE4&feature=channel_page

I'm not the lisa who referred to one of you as not too bright first of all. Does anyone know if Misty has access to a vehicle and don't you all think if she was not home that someone would've saw her and ratted her out by now? I hate to say it but saying that bio-mom or some of her family took Haleigh is just wishful thinking and way too complex of a plan for these simple minded people. Bio mom is not crying because she probably went to the doctor that day and got a prescription for valium or xanax. My sister got killed by a drunk driver and she had 5 kids from 6 months to 7 years old. I went to the doctor in hysterics. He prescribed xanax and I honestly couldn't cry anymore after I took one. Bio mom acts like a zombie to me.
I think someone familiar with the house and living situation took Haleigh, maybe the pedophile cousin, or one of the many others living in the area.
If any of you have a 17 year old girl then you know they have a hard time giving specific details no matter what you ask them especially if they are high or drunk like Misty probably was at the time.
Also if you live in a small mobile home you could in fact wake up and notice a light was on in the kitchen if your bedroom door was open. They didn't say she went to the bathroom on that end of the house, only that she woke up to use the bathroom and noticed the kitchen light was on. She then went to see why and saw the back door was held open with dirty laundry and the storm door propped with a block. I do think maybe she forgot to lock the door but was afraid to tell Ronald because he would've probably killed her.
Misty might've also been mistaken as to what Haleigh was wearing that night, because again teenagers don't pay attention to things like that. Haleigh may have decided to change herself before she went to bed and if Misty was high or drunk she probably wouldn't have noticed.
If a local predator took haleigh he would've had time to molest her, kill her and dispose of her in the 3-4 hours before she was discovered missing. There are tons of gators in the area. Maybe the perp left her clothes there so there would be less to dispose of later on.
As for the poor little boy he probably heard people talking about what happened to Haleigh and just made up the man in black thing. 3 and 4 year olds will say anything.

Does anyone else feel the police department has been super tight lipped about this case? I think that's a good sign because maybe that means they are close to an arrest. I'm just surprised there haven't been many press conferences in light of all the publicity this case is getting. It seems we are hearing a lot of things secondhand: requests for DNA, that they checked out the weird cousin... Has anyone heard anything about the car that was impounded? That just kind of fell by the wayside. I thought it was from Tennessee, but had Florida plates (the cousin's?)... Like I said earlier, the media throws things at us and then we don't hear about them again. Also - I thought Nancy Grace had an expert on her show - during the early days of the kidnapping, who reported they could definitely get dna or fingerprints off the cinder block. Never heard anything about that, either. Anyone have any real facts?

I still don't think Ron had anything to do with it. Not sure about Misty but I think even if she didn't have anything to do with it she did something neglectful that brought this about. Someone had to open that deadbolt from the inside. Yes, I saw the walk thru and I do beleive the laundry was piled up in front of that door and probably kept it open. As for the beds on the floor vs. tattoos. YOu don't know when he got those. He may have had the tattoos before the children. And remember they hadn't been living here long and maybe they were just starting out collecting furniture for the home. Not everyone can run out and buy everything at one time. Him not having complete beds does not make him a bad dad. At least they weren't sleeping on the floor. He was obviously trying, that is more than I can say for bio bimbo. Yes Ron's mom is truelly devistated. I feel for her. I think Misty or someone she had in the home unlocked that door, either because she went out that back way to party or someone she had there unlocked it so they could come back later.

I beleive the part about her going to use the other bathroom because I too will go to another bathroom so as not to wake sleeping children. Also remember that Haleigh is affraid of the dark so maybe that is why they all sleep together. Beleive it or not a lot of people co sleep or sleep in the same room. My children sleep with me more nights than not. It happens.

I have asked the car question before but have not heard anything from any fellow posters. It is significant whether she did or didn't have access to a vehicle.

The "abandoned vehicle" is far, far beyond coincidence, as well. Question is; whose was it, and why did they abandon it?

If Smokey was with someone that night they would have ratted her out by now. Unless, perhaps, she was with the Tennessee Pervert.

It is not an accident that the police keep calling Smokey in. They are documenting her stories - getting her on the record while she has no attorney, because they know she is lying.

The police may know exactly what happened, per say. But until they recover the child they have to play everything slow and careful. I feel like they know the child is, or very well may be, alive.

I have noticed along the way that various developments occur, make the news, and then kind of fade away. It makes me wonder if law enforcement is just putting this stuff out there in dribbles and drabs, trying to assure the abductor that they are not onto them at all; but really they are.

The cadaver dogs thing just gets to me. They would have checked dumpsters immediately, not way later. Then, they say the dogs hit on the dumpster but didn’t find anything. Those dogs ONLY hit on human decomposition. They do not hit on band-aids as it has been said. They smell out dead and rotting human beings; period. That little spectacle seemed contrived to me, but it was just a big enough deal to make anyone who may have the child believe the police are way, way off - not on their trail at all.

I do not believe taking the little girl is too sophisticated for Dry-Eyes or her Ice-Queen mother. Clearly they are not sophisticated people, but they would not need to be. Getting pissed and taking your kid who is not being cared for is not rocket science – it’s just somewhat natural and quasi impulsive.

They had just had a court hearing wherein Dry-Eyes was held in contempt (and she missed the hearing.) The emotional catalyst now exists - one pissed-off party is on the launching pad. She (whoever “she” is) knows Smokey and the Bandit take crappy care of the kids. She knows about the drugs - she believes violent abuse is taking place. She drives there. Knocks on the door (or whatever, bottom line, no-one is tending the children properly/Smokey is gone or so wasted she cannot be awoken.) She sees her opportunity, goes back, says "Come on honey" and takes her. She stops and dresses her so she is warm.

The big question would be; where did she take her?

It’s just one out of many theories.

I cannot get over the contrast between the Ice-Queen and Heartbroken (Potty-Mouth’s mom.) No comparison. One woman can barely function (natural response to grief) and the other shows no stress and is talking loud and proud about how no DNA was found in the trailer, and announcing to the world tat Potty-Mouth's cysts could be from drug use.

I believe that whoever did this did intend to take the little boy too, but something scared them off, car lights, noise, something. I think two people were involved. A getaway driver and the person who went in for the children. This would have been very hard for one person to accomplish. Someone had to be a "lookout" lest they get caught.

Trips
About the kids' beds. You are right and I will explain why I say that. In the video I saw the toddler bed frame elsewhere in the room. It was the same kind my daughter used when she was real little. They had taken the mattress off the frame for some reason; no big deal. Essentially, she had a bed.

Kids sleep with their parents all the time.

On the matter of the tatoos however, he got them within the last few days. He is grieving and it is his own pathetic way of trying to show love to his daughter.Too bad he didn't show her that by staying off drugs, using clean language, and not referring to members of the little girl's gender as "bitches." Tramp-stamps are a sorry substitution for a spiritual life.

I was actually rather impressed with the appearance of the homes interior. It was fairly nice. It wasn't a shit-hole or anything. One hears the word trailer and they think cockroaches and squaller but that is really stereotypical - some double-wides are actually pretty nice.

I believe the car that was impounded was either owned by or driven by Misty. Seems it had something to do with a blanket. It is odd, however, that investigators haven't been more forthcoming about why it was impounded.
I was surprised at how nice the mobile home is and how clean it is. I think people have jumped to some very ridiculous conclusions in this case and I don't believe either parent or Misty had anything to do with the child's disappearance. As for the mother of the child, didn't the father reach her by phone to notify her that Haleigh was missing? To me, the only plausible person would be someone the father had turned in for drugs or someone he owed money to for drugs or a SO. I don't think there is a set standard for people's behavior during a crisis. Just because they show too much emotion or show no emotion at all doesn't make them a perpetrator. One thing I found very odd was the sheriff's report. It was described that they followed tracks along various roads and then near the last sentence an entire sentence is black marked out. I would have to conclude that something of importance was discovered that they would not want publicized. Anyone have any clues regarding that? As to how the children were treated - I doubt this was an abusive situation. I don't think the Dad's mother would have stood for that. People love to talk and many believe they look best when they are making disparaging statements about others. It certainly doesn't mean that it's truthful. Just because this father isn't educated and speaks like a redneck doesn't necessarily make him a bad person, nor does it mean he is capable of harming that little girl. Given her illness, I doubt that he would physically abuse her. I could probably use some pretty strong language if I became extremely angry and I hardly qualify as uneducated or undereducated. Look at Geraldo as an example of how stupid an educated person can be. I think it's time for people to stop jumping to conclusions about this family.

Does anyone know for how long Ronald has had full custody of these kids? I heard 3 years
If bio-mom wanted the kids back she could have reported Ronald and Misty for negligence or abuse. How dumb would you have to be to steal your own child? Then what? Where would you hide her for a month? All of those people like to run their mouthes and someone would've slipped up by now.
I hope and pray Haleigh is still alive and well but that just doesn't seem to be the case in my opinion.
NG also said that 3 dogs not 1 hit on that dumpster.What about some tampons or sanitary pads? Would that trigger a dog to hit on the dumpster?
Also if bio-mom took Haleigh why not bring a change of clothes instead of risking changing the kid at the back door? Was the kids blanket missing?
Ronald may use drugs and try to be a bad ass but he doesn't know what happened to Haleigh. He is devastated.
And I don't think a drug dealer would take a child just because he owed them money. They would more than likely just do a drive by and shoot up the trailer or jump him in the yard when he got home.
Also I think Misty didn't call the police immediately because maybe she was waiting on Ronald to come home so he could go dump their drugs and the gun first.

I read on another board that Potty-Mouth said the washing machine was running when he got home.

Is that TRUE? Anyone??

I just had terrible vision of Smokey in a rage, holding a urine soaked blanket over the little girls face because she was pissed at her for peeing the bed - and she suffocated her by accident.

I didn't hear about the washing machine running but that would certainly raise some suspicions if that's true. Pullups at night would've been a good idea if that's the case.
If it was a family job, Smokey was the last one to see the child alive so she would be my #1 suspect.
I am ruling out bio-mom and Ronald for sure. Even if Ronald snitched on someone they would probably beat HIM up or kill HIM, not his child. He would've been an easier target for them anyway being out at 3 a.m.
And the door propped open seems weird too. It does kind of make you think Smokey might have acted alone there. She just seems so dumb and if she didn't have a car she would've had to tote the kid somewhere like to the dumpster maybe.
I saw somewhere that the dumpster was checked early on and dogs didn't hit on it the first time. So that's puzzling too.
I know my 17 year old leaves the back door unlocked quite often and never admits to it. But what are the odds that someone outside that house just happened to luck up and find the back door unlocked, even bio-mom couldn't have known the door was unlocked.

Yes, I too heard about Misty saying she was washing the blanket when Ron got home. Strange.

Why in God's name would Smokey be monkeying with a washing machine if she woke up and found a child missing? Oh no, my child has been abducted, should I call 911? No, I think I'll do some laundry in the middle of the night, here.

NO WAY!!!

If this little piece of informatin is true, I almost know she is involved.

Have you ever noticed when someone is murdrered, the person who did it is always involved with a washing machine. It's so common its almost cliche.

I couldn't agree more, I thought at the time of hearing this info, thats a strange thing to be doing at a time like this!
On a personal note, my family always chuckles at our Mom b/c she can size up these different tragedies in a heartbeat and it is uncanny how right on she ALWAYS ends up being, So right off the bat I called Mom and said "well who took that Little Haleigh from her bed?", she didn't even think for a second, she said "the babysitter did it" So we will see.
Also back to another comment I made yesterday on beds vs tattoo's, I got thinking about that last night & thought about the fairytale winnie the pooh room little CAYLEE had that all little children should have, but she still ended up dead and thrown away like trash, so a nice bed IS NOT the end all be all. BUT I still think the tattoo is a crazy thing to do when they don't even know yet where she is, thats strange to me.

debbie from Iowa-

Your mother observes from a position of life experience and wisdom. She does not allowed herself to get too confused by a lot of smoke and mirrors.

The simplest solution is almost always the correct one. Forget boogie-men dressed in black. Forget the endless scenarios (that we all create - its part of the process.) One just needs to look at what is in front of teir face. That's what your mom did.

-Smokey is the last one with the littl girl.
-Smokey can't get her story straight about who slept where.
-Smokey does not call the police right away.
-Smokey does laundry while the child is missing.
-Smokey has ben questioned four times by police.
-Smokey referred to the child in the past-tense.
-Smokey came up with a new suspect (Tennessee Pervert) after time had passed.
-Smokey and the Bandit are not the hot item they once were.
-Smokey is inside a house protected by a dead-bolt lock where no sign of breaking and entering exists.
-Smokey is walking around doing a little smokin' while others search.

But what about...

-Footprints
-Abandoned vehicle
-Cease in ground search

I've always been curious about the footprints. Did the footprints exist in a way that would indicate the child was walking along with someone by her own strenth. This is way out there, but if some held her feet down in some dirt they may believe they are creating the appearnace that someone walked away with her, but it would be obvious she wasn't walking.

Someone said something is blakced out on the police report.

Can anyone tell me where to view a copy of the police report - anyone have a link?

Excellent point Navigator about washing machines. Casey's death smell clothes got washed. OJ's death scene clothes got washed. The blanket covering JonBenet Ramsey had been washed and removed from the dryer to cover her.
About the cadaver dogs, last time, CADAVER DOGS ARE TRAINED TO HIT ON HUMAN DECOMPOSITION ONLY AND NOTHING ELSE! Not bandaids, not blood. Only human decomposition. So there was either a body in that dumpster at one time or something in that dumpster that had touched a dead body. I can't believe they waited that long to investigate the dumpsters. This is what happens when you think you have a kidnapping, hours lost investigating other scenarios (JonBenet, Caylee,now Haleigh).

Someone please direct me to the washing machine info. I'd like to see that for myself. No one would wake up, dicover a child was missing and start doing laundry unless they were covering something up.
It's just hard to believe that a 17 year old would kill a child in anger for wetting the bed.

I think these are all excellent points. It breaks my heart to think Haleigh died because she wet the bed. How horrible for a little child to face such a consequence for something she couldn't control. If Misty killed her in a fit of anger over that, she should spend the rest of her life in prison thinking about it. I pray that is not what happened. My question is this. Would Ron cover for her if that were the case or would he throw her to the wolves. Or do you think she lied to him and he believed her.

Misty could be lying as to whether the door was unlocked or not or she possibly just doesn't know.
I don't think Ron would try to cover for her. No Way. I'm sure he probably wanted to believe her but later on things just didn't add up.
Bottom line is she either did something negligent that caused the childs disappearance or she herself did something to the child and either way is trying to cover up her involvement.
I do however believe she was at home at the time of the incident because if she was out someone by now would've reported seeing her.

I agree Lisa. But didn't someone ALREADY say she was out and had a history of being out after the kids went to bed? That kind of makes me think someone was aware of her habit of leaving. And if she was doing laundry at 3:00am, well I agree that doesn't look good. She hardly strikes me as the type who cleans when they are nervous or upset.

OMG!I JUST READ THAT ABOUT THE WSHING MACHINE RUNNING.DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. IF THAT IS TRUE, THEN I AGREE MISTY WAS INVOLVED. THE GRANDMOTHER ALREADY SAID ON NANCY GRACE THAT THERE WAS ALWAYS LAUNDRY IN THE FLOOR, SO WE KNOW THAT MISTY ISN'T A CLEAN FREAK THAT JUST HAS TO HAVE THE LAUNDRY COMPLETELY CAUGHT UP. IF NOT FOR THAT STATEMENT SHE COULD'VE USED THE EXCUSE THAT RONALD WAS LIKE SOME ABUSIVE O.C.D. GUY (LIKE SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY) BUT AFTER GRANDMA ADMITS THE LAUNDRY WAS ALWAYS BEHIND, THERE IS NO EXCUSE. I HAD A THEORY EARLIER THAT THE DOOR PROPPING THING WAS A WOMAN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TO HARD TO CARRY A 50LB. CHILD IN ONE ARM AND USE THE OTHER TO PUSH THE DOOR OPEN. I STILL BELIEVE THIS PART. MISTY IS A SMALL GIRL, AND MAY HAVE PROPPED THE DOOR FOR 2 REASONS. #1 SO SHE COULD CARRY OUT THE BODY.#2 NOT TO WAKE JR.
*I READ A COMMENT THAT EVERYONE SHOULD STOP PASSING JUDGEMENT ON THESE PEOPLE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT ISN'T MY WISH TO AFFEND ANYONE. THESE ARE JUST THEORIES, I THINK MOST EVERYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS FORUM IS JUST TRYING TO SORT OUT OF THE FACTS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN. I AM IN NO WAY SUGGESTING THAT ANYONE SHOULD HANG FOR THIS YET. I THINK IT IS BEST TO LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES, AND LIKE THE POLICE I AM NOT SURE OF ANYONE'S GUILT OR INNOCENCE EXCEPT RONALD'S MOTHER(I WOULD BE ASTONISHED TO FIND OUT SHE HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OR INVOLVEMENT).

ONE MORE THOUGHT..LET'S JUST SAY MISTY IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND THE DEADBOLT WAS LOCKED, THEN THAT MEANS SOMEONE HAD TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE HOME AND MOST LIKELY HAD A KEY. MOST LANDLORDS CHANGE THE LOCKS BEFORE RENTING TO A NEW TENANT. I WONDER IF THEY USE A PARTICULAR LOCKSMITH? IF SO, I WONDER IF THE POLICE HAVE QUESTIONED HIM. I AM ALSO SURE THE LANDLORDS WOULD HAVE THIER OWN SET, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ACCESS TO THIER KEYS? WHEN I FIRST MOVED OUT OF MY PARENTS HOME I RENTED AN APARTMENT, THE LANDLORD HAD CONTRACTED AN EXTERMINATOR THAT CAME BY AND SPRAYED THE BUILDING BI-MONTHLY. HE HAD A KEY TO EVERY APT. DO THEY USE AN EXTERMINATOR? OR A MAINTANANCE MAN? IF SO, THEY SHOULD BACKGROUND CHECK THESE GUYS, AND CHECK THERE WHEREABOUTS. THEY SHOULD CHECK OUT ANYONE WHO HAS EVER HAD ACCESS TO THAT MOBILE HOME. EVEN IF THEY LET A CLEANING SERVICE USE A KEY TO GO IN AND CLEAN-UP BETWEEN TENANTS, THEY COULD'VE EASILY TAKEN THE KEY ON A LUNCH BREAK TO HAVE A COPY MADE. I HAVE SEEN STORIES WHERE THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN, AND SOME PERVERT COMES IN WHILE THE RENTER IS OUT AND STEALS UNDERWEAR. VOYERISM CAN OFTEN ESCALATE TO MORE DEVIANT BEHAVIOR.

Jessica

I would like to support your statement about "people passing judgement."

If we wern't going to judge actions, behaviors, statements, and lifestyles, we simply would not be visiting this board.

That is why this message board exists.

NOTE FROM STEVE: This is not a message board. These are blog comments. There is a fundamental difference between the two. Blogs aren't even obligated to provide comments, but they do, because people need to feel a part of the story, and they want to have their say. But blog comments are less egalitarian. I can shut these down at any time, and I could delete all of them - and I would, but everyone is discussing the subject in a relatively civil manner, so there is no need for me to shut it down. But please don't refer to this as a message board. Message boards give users a sense of group ownership - and it is a fairly accurate feeling. A blog like this is run by me and published by a newspaper publisher - commenters are akin to guests. I thank you all for being civil guests, but I wanted the difference between this space and a message board like Websleuths.com very clear, and hope no one else makes that mistake. Though I know they will.

Well, please bear with me, but News4 in Jacksonville has reported about the dumpster and the cadaver dogs and I have pasted these paragraphs about dogs hitting on something as benign as a bloody bandage, etc. Please keep in mind that a bloody band-aid would certainly start rotting after time, as would a menstrual pad.

"Late in the afternoon, three different cadaver dogs alerted on a large trash receptacle in the neighborhood and investigators began a painstaking search. After about six hours of scouring through the Dumpster, police said they found nothing that could be linked to the missing girl."

"It could be various items, and may not necessarily be something related to the case," said Brian Selzer, of Canine Search and Rescue as investigators searched through the plastic bags found in the Dumpster."

"Selzer explained that the dogs brought to Satsuma on Thursday have been trained to alert only on the scent of human decomposition, not meat or dead animals. He said the dogs could hit on something as small as a bandage used to cover a person's bloody cut."

"Detectives went through the large Dumpster by hand, and then a backhoe was brought in to go through some excess debris at the bottom of the container."

"After going through every square inch of the Dumpster, they gave up the search."

"There's several anomalies that can cause a K-9 to hit. We don’t know what's in the mind of the dog. The dog did what it's trained to do. We did what we have to do afterward, which is to search. Everything comes done to the human search, and we found nothing of consequence," said Putnam Sheriff's Office Maj. Gary Bowling. "We don’t know why the dog hit, but there's nothing there that indicates that we need to search any further."

"Investigators said they searched around the same Dumpster in the days after Haleigh's disappearance, but found nothing. They said the never went into the Dumpster until Thursday evening."

"According to investigators, all of the garbage in the area in the days following Haleigh's disappearance was taken to a special part of the county's landfill and gone through piece by piece. They said there was no sign of anything relating to the missing girl."

So, we can possibly all agree to disagree on the importance of the cadaver dogs.

I still think that it was an outside job, irregardless of that back door being slammable or openable or not.

We need to be careful about what we say about this because in about 3 comments, I was lead to believe that MISTY WAS DOING WASH WHILE SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CALLING 911 OH MY GOSH THAT MEANS THAT SHE KILLED HALEIGH.

I have read up on this case every day and still haven't seen in print or otherwise where Misty had thrown a load of wash in before calling 911. I often throw a load of clothes in the washer before I go to bed, and then get up the next morning and put them in the dryer. If one of my kids went missing in the night, I'd hope that people wouldn't assume that I threw a load of laundry in BEFORE I called 911. I don't believe that Misty did either.

I also don't believe the Bio-Mom/Dry Eyes and Grandma is behind this, either. This is quite some time to let go by while sitting out in the rain in a tent WITHOUT HALEIGH just to stick it to Ron and Misty. And again, Crystal would have had both children in 3-4 days for her regularly scheduled visitation and could have "taken" them at that time.

Just my thoughts - I've enjoyed reading other's thoughts as well but again, I just thought I'd give my two cents about the dogs and the mom and the laundry.

Law enforcement lost valuable time searching only "around" the dumpster. It puzzles me as to why they would not have considered the possibility of homicide, especially so close on the heels of Caylee Anthony. But then look what happened in that case, her little remains lay there for months before being discovered, after repeated warnings from the man that finally discovered her.
Those dogs are SPOT ON when it comes to scent. There is no "if" to it. There had to have been a body in that dumpster at one time for them to hit on it. They are even trained to detect decomposition scent under water.
I certainly don't want to believe that little Haleigh was done away with by someone in her own family but look at the statistics, they tell you 9 times out of 10 that is what has happened.
Normally when you have a pedophile murderer, they don't go to great lengths to hide the body. In fact sometimes it is just the opposite. If Haleigh is deceased, the body has been too well hidden. That tells a story itself.

I would like to say something about this blog site. I appreciate being able to read what others are thinking. I think there are some very intelligent contributors here and there are a lot of good points made each and every day. As for passing judgement, we, as a society, are naturally prone to do so when someone acts out of the ordinary or in the case of a horrendous crime. It's a type of social checks and balances. Yes - we all offer our opinions on what may or may not have happened. For me it helps with dealing with the pain of knowing a sweet, innocent angel was taken from her bed in the middle of the night. Coming here and contributing and reading what others have to say helps to restore my faith in humanity. Just knowing others are also moved to the point of communicating with strangers makes me believe not everyone out there is selfish and uncaring. If I could have attended a local candle tribute to Haleigh, I would have. But I live in Pennsylvania and this is my small way of being involved on some tiny level. I think when we bounce ideas around, it can only help because maybe someone will write something that will trigger something else in someone's mind. I think everyone who writes on this blog is trying to help solve this horribly sad crime by doing whatever they can. This doesn't mean we are right or wrong - just trying and just thinking about the fate of a small five year-old girl we've never met, but who's situation has moved us.

Well said, Kim!

I have a question for "navigater" @ the dumpster and the dogs, On that day when they were searching the dumpster, N.G. had a lady give a demonstration of how the dogs operate and she hid something and let the dog go find it, when he picked up on the item, he proptly sat down by it and waited for his treat, I wonder why they didn't bring the dogs back once they got all that stuff out of the dumpster and narrow down the search by his reation to the junk all spread out on the ground??
Also the comment about the laundry was from Misty's mouth when she was sitting next to her mom( I believe)when she was crying so hard in one of her interviews, she mentioned washing the blanket.

Steve-

Thank you for pointing out my mis-identification of this sites technical title. I agree with you that the folks on here keep it civil and mature and that's good. I have seen (I actually typed the word "boards" and had to back up and erase it right there - ha ha) forums where there is incessant name-calling and profanity and it cheapens everything.

Thank you for providing this forum.

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Darby-

I am not absolutely certain that Smokey had the washing machine running, but I have come across that statement in other forums. I believe it was Potty-Mouth who said the washer was running.

I don't find starting a load of laundry before one goes to bed suspcious at all; everyone does that. But a load of laundry does not run for five hours. According to the time I believe Smokey says she went to bed (10 p.m.) that's how long a load started before bed would have been running.

If laundry was being done it would have had to been started after Smokey woke up at around 3 a.m. She would be quite a busy young lady, there, I think. She'd see the door "wide open." Notice her 5 year-old missing. NOT call 911. Wait for Potty-Mouth to get home.

Then start a load of laundry? Yeah, right. And donkeys fly.

I'm thinking I would be running all over hell trying to find the little girl. Looking under beds. Walking around with a flashlight; yellig her name; waking up neighbors.

Start a load of laundry?? No way on earth. No way on earth.

I read somewhere that Potty-Mouth said the washing machine was running. If I come across the statement I will post it.

Of course, as all we can ever do is use our own best judgement as we discuss these things.

We won't know the truth until the truth is known.

Thank you..and thanks for your thoughts. They are always intriguing.

In case anyone is interested, here is the youtube interview with Misty. Very interesting. She keeps referring to 'they'. Any thoughts on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

I have read the police report...

Smokey told the responding officer that she got up to "get a drink." Here we go again with Smokey giving various versions of events.

On another site I found the following information - I do not attest to its credibility but it is so specific it appears someone accessed court files.
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Ronald Cummings Criminal History Includes:

-Possession of marijuana
-Possession of cocaine
-Possession of drugs in amounts that exceed personal use
-Shooting a firearm at a deer at night on two occasions.
-Leaving the scene of an accident with injuries on two occasions.
-Domestic violence on Dry-Eyes court documents but perpetrator not named.
-Possession of GHB (Date Rape Drug.)
-He declined treatment for drugs
-Been under 24 hour house arrest
-Been fined
-No record of him ever doing any jail time.

The author of the page I visited provided a very interesting an insightful observation of the Geraldo Interview/Confrontation – I agreed so I will re-word with some of my own thoughts.

When Geraldo asked Potty-Mouth Ron if he ever hit his daughter (or however Geraldo said it) Potty-Mouth emphatically denied he had ever done such a thing. He seemed to then start reciting word-for-word something he had heard from a social worker describing how he disciplines his daughter and that it is perfectly legal. That would indicate that someone had discussed child discipline with him.

His voice became very strained and anyone with human senses could detect Potty-Mouth was extremely angry - but CONTAINING it.

Meanwhile, as Geraldo continued to question him...

Potty-Mouth stood still, handling the questions, while in the background his mother was pacing all over the place. The mother was beginning to bitch at Geraldo. Then, the dad stepped in-between Potty-Mouth and Geraldo and kept telling Geraldo to leave.

Point is this...

It appeared the family knew that Potty-Mouth's fuse had been lit. They are familiar with his fuse and they knew they had to diffuse the situation. Bottom line, Potty-Mouth is a violent man and once he goes off, all hell can break loose - he has no control of himself. His family was getting nervous because they knew what might happen right there on NATIONAL TV.

This creates more thoughts in my head. I almost return to my loose theory that a female who loves the child took her at a moment of opportunity and that's why her night-shirt was found.

If that man was hurting the little girl (and we know for a FACT Dry-Eyes and the gang think he does because they showed a photo of her face all beat up) someone may have snapped and said, "No" - "No more -No more."

The police followed a trail that indicated someone was walking with the little girl (something happened during the police's tracking of the trail because a paragraph is blacked out.)

So what do you have? Someone is walking with a little girl who had been wearing a pink night shirt, but they took it off of her. If a "creep" would have taken her shirt off just to be a perv (which is so doubtful – right there in the house under lights) she would have probably started screaming - kids are taught these basic things. The person then walks with her and she disappears completely. It seems like someone had a car waiting and perhaps a driver.

Dry-Eyes and the Ice Queen Grandma do not appear heartbroken. In fact, sometimes it seems they have to try to fake grief, and other times the Ice Queen seems happy and excited. This is not to mention Ice Queenie telling the world that Potty-Mouth's cyst on his neck is common from drug use – like that mattered a bit – the little girl had been gone like two weeks or something and she points out Potty-Mouth’s drug history – WHY???

Point to ponder. If YOU had a little girl, and you knew her dad was beating her, what would YOU do? Would you be willing to break all the rules?

I would.

I agree, Navigator. If I suspected this and felt the courts (and possibly police department) were on his side (for whatever reason), I would have no choice but to take matters into my own hands. I don't think taking the kids to the police department in the middle of the night would have done bio mom any good. She probably felt they would press charges against her (she's already in arears with her child support payments) and then return the kids to the dad. If she took the girl and has the girl somewhere safe, her best bet at this point would be to file for custody of Jr. so he doesn't "end up like Haleigh". Don't know if she and Grandma are planning this. As for how to produce the child... when the time is right, she could have a friend 'drop off' the girl at a police station or hospital and skedattle out of there. The girl is recovered and if bio mom already now has custody of the boy, she could motion for custody of the daughter. Seeing how Misty can be deemed an unfit babysitter, she just might get it. Then we'll have bio dad paying child support and he can get a taste of his own medicine. What are your thoughts on the blacked out parts of the police report? Why would parts be blacked out? Would those be indications of evidence found? If the police think bio mom has her, surely they can trace HER cellphone records. Does anyone know if they've done that? And I still never read anything about Misty having a cellphone or when or if she tried to call Ron before he got home. I think it's odd how she says in that interview "My blanket was in the van THEY took". Who is 'they'? What van? Vans are suspicious to me anyway. Vans are what druggies drive. Why didn't that stupid reporter ask her who 'they' were? Makes me think 'they' were at the house that night with her. Maybe 'they' drugged her and then took the girl. Maybe one of 'them' was dressed in black. Maybe that's what the boy saw and the reason he didn't say anything was because Misty was with 'them' in the living room. There has GOT to be DNA or fingerprints from 'them' if 'they' were in the house. On the doorknob of the bathroom door, on the refridgerator door, on empty beer bottles in the garbage. I hope these things were looked into. WHO IS 'THEY'?!!! And why would 'they' take Misty's blanket? That is really bothering me.

One full paragraph was blacked out. When the next paragraph started it just picked up where it left off, which was the dog following a scent.

What it tells me is that during the course of the trackig they saw or found something, or someone, that was so significant, they concealed it. Police often keep deatiled information close to their vest - it is wise to not make evrything public knowledge. It would have been something that ONLY the person walking with the little girl would know about.

Cigarette butt?

Just a quick comment about Geraldo. The man has a history of inciting violence for ratings purposes. I am glad Ron didn't take the bait. Anyone remember that guy that threw a chair at Geraldo on his show and broke his nose? That was about 20 years ago, us oldies remember.
Again Ron's rap sheet is stunning, the fact he has had no jail time is even more stunning. They must have an overcrowding problem in the Florida jails or.......he really is an informant, think about it. I have a family member here in Texas who hasn't done anywhere near that many drugs, has no violence of any kind on his record, but got thrown in the slammer for auto theft. Man they take their auto theft here in Texas seriously, steal a car and go directly to jail.

There's no doubt that Geraldo is willing to put himself in dangerouse situations (I saw snipers bullet go right past his head when we bombed Afhanistan - the bullet was slowing down and you could actually see it.) Like him or hate him, he's got a pair. I saw him fist-fight a ruthless and toothless white-nazi once - Gerlado never stopped swinging and the loser nazi was bleeding. To be honest, I like hearing someone ask the real questions and the tough questions - it beats the crap out of having to listen to the Ice Queen announcing on Nancy Grace that cysts can sometimes be associated with drug use.

Anyway...

I thought it was interesting how nervous the family got when Captain Ron got challenged. What happens at home when Potty-Mouth gets mad? He hurts people; that's what happens.

There is a bank fund to help pay for Potty-Mouth's bills because he hasn't worked since the kidnapping. Then, he goes and spends $400 on tattoos and booze.

I noticed as well, that Potty-Mouthed Ron never has to do any jail time no matter what he does. He is proably one of those ultra-losers that keeps getting into trouble with the law, and then making special arrangemnts to snitch on people to avoid tough prosecution. He got Dry-Eyes pregnant when she was in her early teeens I think. Then he beat on her. Now he has another teenager. He is a rapist, and the police don't do anything.

I had a theory about biomom, and also have one for Misty. First if I woke up and the door was wide open I would totally freak out and immediately call 911! I wonder after seeing police report if misty handed her off to someone. She walked her over to pond area and person wasn't there ...she calls them to ask where are you....change of plans...so she walks around and meets them at railroad tracks.....hands Haleigh off to someone else. I found it very interesting on report that misty was asked if she had ever taken Haleigh for walks. Why would they ask this? Maybe the dogs picked up her scent as well. For all we know they had dogs follow both Haleigh and Mistys scent. Where is Misty anyway? I also wonder if they checked train that went by that night. Maybe misty carried Haleighs body to dump in pond...she couldn't do it so she put her in a box car from the train that went by that night. It is noted I. Police report that a train went by that night.

I wanted to hit on a couple of things. First of all Ron may have been charged with a lot of crimes. Charges do not make you guilty. And even if you are guilty a lot of lawyers get them plead down to misdemeaners or they go away and you get probation and what not.

Perhaps state social workers were working with Ron and disapline, they may be because he get custody and because of his past "violent" history. But I find it odd that if he is so violent then why was there only ever one charge against him for that. I mean even a bar fight or what not would show up on there as an assault.

As for bio mom, don't know what to think of her but her flat affect bothers me.

Geraldo, well I remember when he got his nose broke and I also watched this interveiw. I saw him over in bio bimbos camp stroking her ego then go over to ron and not "ask" questions but go over and and basically accuse Ron of all those things and implied that Ron killed his daughter. Had I been Ron I wouldn't have been so nice.

As for the resent tattoo, I missed that. I hadn't realized he got one since Haleigh went missing. But on that I will say, ya know the man is probably pacing around not knowing what to do with himself. Frustrated, anxious, upset at the entire situation and missing his daughter. Maybe, just Maybe getting a new tattoo in her tribute was a way to feel close to her. But that is just my opinion and I beleive that I would be capable of doing that. Plus do we know it was he who paid for it?

I just don't know. From the first I said Casey did Caylee. Maybe it is because I know lower level people like Ron as well as middle class people like the Anthonys but I don't feel Ron had anything to do with this. Really truelly down in my gutt, and soul I just don't feel it.

And even having a wrap sheet as Ron does, that doesn't make him a killer or bad parent. We don't know the truth about what went on between him and bio bimbo so I wont justify her abuse claims. Yes he calls women bitches but hey if Misty was watching my daughter and she disapeared I would be calling her more than a stupid bitch.

So just the opinion of a middle age mom and grandma that has been around the block a few times but that is my take.

And don't get me started on Jon Bonet' who ever mentioned her. That entire situation ticks me off. (total inside job)

KIM
THANK YOU, FOR STATING SO ELIQUENTLY OUR PURPOSE HERE. YOU MADE A VERY VALID POINT. THIS ALONG WITH THE ANTHONY CASE HAS BEEN SOMETHING I CAN'T GET OFF MY MIND, AND I HAVE BORED MY HUSBAND AND FRIENDS SICK WITH IT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT EVEN IF OUR EFFORTS SEEM POINTLESS TO SOME PEOPLE, THEY AREN'T. MY HYSBAND WOULD'VE SEEN THIS ON THE NEWS ONE TIME(THOUGHT "OH THAT'S AWFUL") THEN MOVED ON TO A BALL GAME. BUT, BECAUSE OF ME HE KNOWS WHO HALEIGH CUMMINGS IS. IF HE SAW HER IN A CAR, OR AT A GAS STATION HE WOULD RECOGINZE HER IN HEARTBEAT! I AM SURE THE SAME GOES FOR EVERYONE ELSES FRIENDS AND FAMILY AS WELL. YOU CAN'T KNOW ME AND NOT KNOW WHO HALEIGH IS. EVEN MY CHILDREN WOULD RECOGNIZE HER. THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THE NEWS AND JUST CHANGE THE CHANNEL. TO BUSY TO BE WORRIED ABOUT IT. IT IS PEOPLE WHO CARE THAT WON'T LET THIS LITTLE GIRL BECOME JUST ANOTHER MISSING CHILD. I HOPE HER STORY DOESN'T GET LOST ONCE THE ANTHONY TRIAL STARTS. BUT AS FOR THE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING HERE, I KNOW THAT NONE OF US WILL EVER FORGET. I AM CONFIDENT THAT IF ANY OF US WERE ON VACATION(EVEN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY) 5YRS. FROM NOW WE COULD RECOGNIZE THAT BIRTHMARK A MILE AWAY. THAT IS IMPORTANT.

Here is the link to the sheriff's report with the items I mentioned as being blacked out. Curious!!!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Thanks Cookie! I just read it. There is a part that asks if there is more information on a continuation report and the box is checked 'yes'. Anyone know anything about that?

Who is witness #5? and what is the property section all about?

One more thought for those of us who believe in the LORD.

A poor little girl was taken from a trailer park.
How often do poor kids get taken or come up missing?
How often does it make WORLD news?

GOD is already working here, and we need to have faith that it is for a reason. Logic tells us there isn't much hope. Let's remember to keep asking GOD for a miracle.

Thank you cookie for providing the police report. My son in law is a sheriff's deputy, I really feel for these people that have to go thru this every day, they have my utmost respect even if they don't always get it right.
First off, here we go again with a different sleep story. The report clearly states that Misty says both children were in HER bed. Not the bed that they showed us on tv as Hayley's but HER bed (Misty's). Another different story, Misty claims to have gotten up for a drink of water. I KNOW I heard her say in numerous interviews that she had gotten up to go to the bathroom. So already two conflicting statements.
Ron's statements and behavior both on the phone with 911 and the sheriff's deputy seem a little over the top. I mean he is telling this deputy what gun he has and that he is going to kill the suspect by firing through the back window of the patrol car window when they pick him up. Just too much drama.
The answer to this mystery lies between the two people that Haleigh lives with I believe and no one else.
I know we never know how we would react if something like this happened to one of our children, but the differing stories, and Ron's strange behavior just send up red flags to me.
Those two also kept telling everyone they "passed" the polygraph yet law enforcement has said they have not ruled out anyone yet.

Oh my...maybe this has been mentioned before but...I just read that police report. Crystal is 19, meaning that she was only 14 when she had Haleigh? Ron was 20? I know even when I was 18 I could never even think about dating someone who was 14! What is wrong with these people?! I thought I read somewhere that Ron has had custody of Haleigh for 3 years (I could be mistaken on this), which would mean that Crystal was only 16 when she lost her. I wonder if this had anything to do with the final custody arrangments. Being 16 years old and in an abusive relationship, maybe she was terrified to fight him? She was just a kid herself!
Who knows, I could be way off base here....but that's just crazy!

Wow, as Native Texan stated, so many different stories. In the police report Misty states that she got up to get a drink (not the bathroom break anymore) and immediately noticed that Haleigh was not in MISTY's bed anymore. She then frantically ran aound the house looking for her, THEN noticed that the back door was open. If you see the video posted here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E Misty states that she didn't notice that Haleigh was missing until AFTER she saw the kitchen light on and the door open. No mention of the kitchen light in this police report either. Sooner or later all of these lies are going to catch up with her...

Wheres this police report that you all are reading?

Police Report: http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

never mind, I missed a comment :(

Sorry, Another question, What program do the open the file with?

To Cyrap. Just got back online. I downloaded Adobe Reader in order to open the file. It's kind of a pain, but you can delete it out of your control panel if you want to afterwards.

Yep, got it, thank you.

Alright, What family was within walking distance that Misty would walk Haleigh to, to visit family?

Did anyone see this?
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

How in hell could he even think about proposing marriage at a time like this? It certainly conjures up a whole lot of ideas in my mind. I guess an apology is in order from me for criticizing anyone who thinks there is some guilt right there in the family. For me, this puts a whole other spin on things.I'm beginning to believe that the dad is a huge drama king. Not being able to go into the mobile home is a big crock of bull. "Feel sorry for poor Ron." I for one certainly do not. I did, but as I said this changes things for me. He and his paramour know a whole lot more about this and most of the bloggers here are probably spot on. Initially, I thought Misty changing stories was because of the trauma of finding this poor child missing. Hah! She may not seem too bright, but she can put on a pretty good show. Now he is going marry her to protect her? What a load of bull. He most likely knows that she is indeed the perpetrator and God only knows what else he knows. Now I'm betting those tracks leading to the water were those made by Misty disposing of the body in the river and probably the gators got her. How horrible. I have to add, too, that did cross my mind earlier on. Well, I'll get out of here with my babbling. I'm still in shock!!

If "women" is act like a bitch, I'll call her one too. In case some of you have not noticed this is about a missing 5 year old, NOT rather or not its wrong to call someone a bitch.
I mean, how many times do you think Misty called Ron a asshole? Lets get real here people.

Trips-
I kind of have to disagree that Gerald “accused” Potty-Mouth. He asked him some specific questions in the form of questions.

You are correct that Geraldo was lapping up whatever Dry-Eyes, Ice-Queen and the rest of the gang had to say about Potty-Mouth. I’d like to see Geraldo be as vigorous in his reporting with Dry-Eyes.

I agree that Potty-Mouth got a tattoo in an effort to feel close to his daughter. He is in agony and coming out of his skin. $400 and he is accepting money from strangers to pay his bills – plus it is said he got drunk at the tattoo parlor.

I don’t think he did it either. But his behaviors cause other people to do things. He needs to quit picking women up down at the playground and start acting like a real man.

Jessica-
Indeed, the LORD is at work. Did you hear that song on YouTube about the little girl? That man is clearly a Christian. Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6u0p-WuiE4&feature=channel_page

Native Texan-
I agree with you about Potty-Mouth’s over-the-top drama. Save the drama for your mamma. If he believed a “stranger” had taken his daughter he would not be imagining shooting the person – all of his mental energy would be focused on trying to figure out WHO took her. That is all he would be thinking about. In his mind he would be trying to solve the puzzle. Then, AFTER he figures out who took her, yeah, then he might imagine shooting him. That is SO IMPORTANT for one to understand. I am a man with children. His declaration of vengeance was more important to him than figuring out who had taken her. He KNEW who took her, or, he himself was responsible (which I tend to not believe.)

If he did not know the identity of the person who took her, he was completing playing for the 911 tape and subsequently, to the responding officer. If he was performing, it was to make it look like someone else did it; not him or Smokey.

Possible Scenario:
Smokey realizes the child is missing. How exactly it occurred; who knows. Why it occurred? Who know? In this scenario only Smokey and the Bandit know that. We know she waited for the Foul-Mouthed Father to get home; therefore:

Imagine This:
Smokey says, “I think [abductor’s name here] took Haleigh.” Potty-Mouth says, “What! That fucker. I’m going kill him. I’m going kill that fucker!!” He then wants to know how it happened and Smokey says, [scenario of events - secret that Smokey and the Bandit are keeping from police goes here.] Smokey then says, “What should we do?” Potty-Mouth replies, “Well, I suppose we have to call 911. Don’t tell them about [abductor’s name here.] Just tell them she’s gone.” Smokey calls 911. Potty-Mouth yells, “How could let my kid get stole bitch!” “Fuck her birthday, we got to find her.”

He is so clearly PISSED. It is not as clear that he is WORRIED. It seems as if he KNOWS or THINKS he knows who has her. He has a mental visual of someone and he is imagining his revenge. Notice he doesn’t say we have to FIGURE OUT WHO TOOK HER, he says, “We have to FIND her.” He already knows. He thinks she's 'findable.'

MarnieLynn in Canada-
No kidding. It’s like this guy is combing junior high schools for girls. He likes booze and drugs and pills and the date rape drug, why doesn’t he go find a partner in a sleezy bar – at least it would be an adult. The reason is because he wants a little girl – not and adult.

The way he talks, the way he treats people, the way he thinks, the way he lives his life is the ultimate reason and catalyst for whatever happened.

I am super suspicious of Dry-Eyes and the Ice-Queen grandma, but only in the investigative sense. Their demeanor is all wrong. However, Dry-Eyes is a rape victim; period. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Potty-Mouth is a rapist. He seeks out little girls and gets them pregnant (or makes them watch his kids.)

Because of his lifestyle, a 5 year-old now may have had to pay the ultimate price. His tattoo is not going to bring her back if she is gone.

Neither will excuses offered up for poor little Potty-Mouth.

THE WHOLE FAMILY PROLLY KNOWS WHO HAS HER BY NOW, THAT DONT MEAN THEY ARE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.

Did anyone see this?
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=133274&catid=3

I posted this earlier. No comments?

FIRST THING that pops into my head...

Spouses cannot be compelled to testify against one another ina court of law in the United States.

This is sick!!

COOKIE
I JUST WATCHED THE GIDDY INTERVIEW WITH MISTY ABOUT HER PROPOSAL! ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN IT NEEDS TO CLICK ON THE LINK! I AM DEEPLY DISTURBED BY THIS!!
THIS SHOULD LAY TO REST ANY IDEA THAT THESE POOR PEOPLE ARE SOMEHOW GETTING RAILROADED BECAUSE THEY ARE "SIMPLE-MINDED"!!
THIS IS CALCULATED,CUNNING AND SMART..GUESS WHAT MISTY!! HE DIDN'T PROPOSE BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH, HE PROPOSED SO THEY CAN'T MAKE YOU TESTIFY AGAINST EACHOTHER!!
OH, THIS TURNED MY STOMACH!! HER BEE-BOPPIN' OUT OF THAT COURTHOUSE LIKE A CELEBRITY.SHE WAS ANNOUNCING HOW IT IS WHAT HALEIGH WANTED(PAST TENSE).SHE TALKS ABOUT HOW HALEIGH LOVED HER AND CALLED HER MOMMY. HOW CAN YOU BE A MOTHE,WHEN YOU AREN'T EVEN A RESPONSIBLE BABY-SITTER?
THEN THE SMUG COMMENT "I WAS THERE,'CAUSE I PASSED MY LIE DETECTOR TEST ABOUT IT." WHY BE SO ENTHUSIASTIC IF YOU KNEW YOU WOULD PASS?
HEY IF SHE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE LITTLE GIRL WHO DISAPPEARED ON HER WATCH "GO TO SCHOOL,BECOME A DETECTIVE OR AN ATTORNEY AND SPEND THE REST OF YOUR LIFE TRYING TO FIND HER, AND TRYING TO HELP OTHER CHILDREN!!"
RONALD IS SO SNEAKY, HE IS ONLY DOING THIS SO HE CAN TRY TO WEASLE OUT OF CHARGES FOR HAVING SEX WITH AN UNDERAGE GIRL, AND THEY CAN'T REALLY EVEN QUESTION HER ABOUT IT. AND THEY WILL BE PROTECTED FROM THE SAME IN ANY OTHER CHARGES THAT MIGHT COME UP LATER.

Puhleeeeez!! So now it is about THEM instead of about Haleigh???!!! No, it's about who you DON'T have to testify against------each other! But wait a minute, I thought she was a "dumb bitch"?? So what does that say about him? This is about the most selfish thing they have done so far. And it is so transparent it's not even funny. I'm telling you the cadaver dogs don't lie, they get it right every time. Look at the Caylee case.
That child was in or around that dumpster at one time. I am now convinced Haleigh is no longer with us.

Seems they are not so smart afterall...
Yes, in Florida spouses CAN be COMPELLED to testify against one another

Florida statute 90.504 Husband-wife privilege.--

(1) A spouse has a privilege during and after the marital relationship to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, communications which were intended to be made in confidence between the spouses while they were husband and wife.

(2) The privilege may be claimed by either spouse or by the guardian or conservator of a spouse. The authority of a spouse, or guardian or conservator of a spouse, to claim the privilege is presumed in the absence of contrary evidence.

(3) THERE IS NO PRIVILEGE under this section:

(a) In a proceeding brought by or on behalf of one spouse against the other spouse.

(b) In a criminal proceeding in WHICH ONE SPOUSE IS CHARGED WITH A CRIME COMMITTED AT ANY TIME AGAINST the person or property of the other spouse, or the person or property of A CHILD OF EITHER.

(c) In a criminal proceeding in which the communication is offered in evidence by a defendant-spouse who is one of the spouses between whom the communication was made.

Clearly, if either Ron or Misty or both are charged in Haleighe's disppearance, spousal privilege DOES NOT APPLY per excepetion (b) above.

Add in fact this crime if it is found that either ron or misty did it...precedes before the up coming marriage too.

OMG! Did you see the film of their behavior outside the courthouse when the reporter was interviewing Misty? Ron's reaction was bizarre. He walks up like he is pissed as hell, doesn't even wait for Misty to get done talking with the lady, walks to his car in a huff, Misty has to run to catch up with him. My God. They have no shame.
And this business about "oh, Haleigh wanted us to get married".. BS!! Haleigh wanted to live in a home where someone cared enough about her to NOT let her disappear! I am just disgusted with these two.

Does anyone get the feeling that Potty-Mouth is trying to shut her up?

I have always had a problem believing he did anything to this little girl (at least as far as on the night inquestion.) But, we don't really know what time he got off work. But the police do.

How did that creep afford a ring? The bank account set up for people to help him pay his bills.

I am beginning to think hard about Potty-Mouth's relentless dramatic threats to kill whoever did it.

Did he protesteth too much?

To Cookie. I just watched that video and I almost 'lost my cookies'. It's as if they are just moving ahead with their lives - even though its only been a month since that angel disappeared. I don't even know how I feel about it, besides sickened. What the hell is going on down there in Florida?!! Now Misty's mother has to agree to let her daughter, who has been in a statutory rape relationship, marry a man who has an abusive past, called her daughter a 'stupid bitch', and has fathered ANOTHER child somewhere with ANOTHER underaged girl. The banjos are playing so loudly I can't hear the cries of a lost child.

I can't believe he would marry her if he knew she did something to his little girl. But, I could believe that a young abuse victim such as her could marry him even if he did something to the child.

What time did he get off work?

Does anyone know the answer to that? What time did he punch out or offically leave his worksite?

I still get a strange feeling the way he said, "How could you let my kid get stole bitch." It seemed like a real convenient and strategically placed statement that he knew would be recorded by 911. Also, when it was Potty-Mouth's turn to be on the phone with 911 he keeps making threats toward the kidnapper and notes the fact that he doesn't care if they have it on tape. He was CONSCIOUS at that moment that what he was saying was being recorded. Then, when the policeman arrived, he continued with his threats and said he was going to shoot the kidnapper through the back window of the cop car.

It seems like MANUFACTURED outrage. His instincts should have been that of a man who was wracking his brain trying to figure out WHO took her and WHERE they took her too. Not what he was going to do to the person who took her if they happened to ever find her.

He kept putting the cart before the horse, over and over and over.

Maybe the theory about her being dead BEFORE he went to work isn't such a theory afterall. I mean, really, the story that we have been told thus far was told by who...the two people that are sooooo concerned about Haleigh being missing that they aren't out there looking for her? I can't wait to hear how Nancy Grace defends this one...

This is pathetic. I'm pretty much convinced that Haleigh is no longer with us and I think Misty knows exactly what happened. The things that are blacked out in the police report and the washer running when Ron got home (which I didn't know about until I read it on this blog)are very suspicious. The tracks being lost at the railroad tracks makes no sense whatsoever. How could that be? Unless Misty created those tracks. Again, I would bet the child ended up in that river. OMG!!

You know, maybe I spoke too soon. We may be thanking these two later on for pulling this stunt because I firmly believe this is going to be a turning point in the case. For those willing to give them the benefit of the doubt up to now, I think there are going to be alot of changed minds. This is just so over the top in a case already full of over the top behavior.

NANCY GRACE IS ON IN A MIN. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IF SHE'S CHANGED HER MIND ABOUT THE LOVE BIRDS!

I THINK THEY HAVE REALLY SHOWN WHERE THERE PRIORITIES ARE. I KNEW IT WAS WEIRD ALL OF THAT P.D.A.

NATIVE TEXAN..I THINK THEY HAD ALOT OF PEOPLE FOOLED TOO.
BUT IT'S LIKE MY GRANDMOTHER(88 YRS.OLD-STRONG SOUTHERN LADY) SAID, " A WOLF CAN HIDE OUT IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT SOONER OR LATER THEY GOTTA EAT! "

BOY WAS SHE RIGHT, THIER TRUE COLORS ARE STARTING TO SHOW

Something very strange about the police report. There was a section where the officer checks on the missing persons report whether foul play is suspected. He checked No.
Yet under property "seized" he wrote cassette recordings, cds(perhaps meaning dvds?)
Now why would an officer who thought there was no foul play suspected in the disappearance of a 5 year old girl in the middle of the night take video recordings fromt the home as evidence? Makes no sense. Was he looking for child pornography? Why videos? And why say no foul play suspected???

I know I asked this before, but does anyone know who Misty is referring to when she says her blanket was in the van 'they' took?

Kim,
The only thing I can figure is that is the vehicle that the police confiscated. Remember they took a vehicle but would not say what vehicle or who it belonged to. Well, now we know. If Misty's blanket was in the van, then the van belonged to them (she and Ronald). Also very telling, tells me that the police still suspect them and think they van may have been used to transport Haleigh.

MarnieLynn in Canada-
I believe there was company over at the house that evening (grandma maybe) who saw the little girl and she was fine.

Cookie-
I’m not sure about the washer running when Potty-Mouth got home. I read that on another forum and mentioned it – I cannot confirm it, though.

I cannot figure out how scent just stops (unless the child went in the water or a vehicle.)

Native Texan-
You are absolutely right. They had the sympathy of some and now it is gone. Kind of like Casey Anthony – some people are just too selfish to make others believe they are real humans for an extended period of time.

Jessica
Nancy Grace didn’t even talk about it.

You should get some comments from your grandma and post them. Old folks are the wise ones – they don’t waste their time, they just say what is.

Native Texan-
If there was a cinder block holding a door open there would have to be foul play. However, they may need more information to classify it as such.

The recordings seized are very interesting to me. What it tells me is the police officer believed these recordings were relevant for some reason. Bear in mind this was a responding officer (I believe) not a detective – so it must have really been obvious in nature. It appears he is talking about audio (otherwise why would he not just say DVD, videocassette, etc.) What could they have been listening to that could have caused a police officer to become suspicious. Or, was something recorded?

Kim-
When and where did Smokey make the comment about the blanket?

Native Texan-
Do Smokey and the Bandit they own a van? If so, was there van stolen (or hidden?) What do they mean by abandoned?

Hey...

Did Potty-Mouth come home, Smokey was gone, Potty-Mouth was hyper-pissed-off, woke the child, said where's Smokey, the child said she didn't know, he thought the child was lying (or whatver) and he harmed her, killing her by accident. He then quick left with her in the vehcile and hid the body.

When he got home, Smokey was back and had found the little girl gone. He then says, how could you let my kid get stoled bitch?

Eh?

Or, maybe Potty-Mouth accidently killed her right in front of Smokey, and she has chosen to pretend she does not know.

As far as the scent and dogs tracking, hell, that could have been from anytime.

Navigator,
Misty mentions "the van they took" in the interview where she is sitting with her mother, I forget which show, there have been so many, I think maybe the Today show. At this time it isn't known who owns the van because police aren't saying, but I am just gathering that if Misty's blanket is in the van, then it is theirs, of course, it could belong to someone else, but the police had to have some reason to believe that van may have been used in this crime. It is my understanding that when she says "they took" she means law enforcement.
I am glad some new light is being shed on all of this because I have gone back on youtube and other sites playing back Misty's "stories" and she has yet to tell the same story twice so we know she is lying because her lips are moving.
The other piece of the puzzle is Ron. Is it real grief or "forced"? I have to say I went back and played everything I could get on him too. I just don't believe either of them.
I think our "perfect couple" thought they were doing damage control with the whole engagement drama. They thought wrong. They are bad liars and even worse cover-uppers.
I think it is only a matter of time before this whole thing blows up. That look on Ron's face today was not that of a man happy to be engaged to someone he loved. He was an angry man, not a grieving man. He blew off Misty and made her walk behind him to the car.
I believe Ron is responsible for whatever happened to Haleigh and Misty is just covering for him out of fear, he has probably already threatened her if she blows his cover.
I do believe Ron told those 2 friends of his who he thought had Haleigh to throw them off. He just didn't think they would rat on him to the press. I believe he did hit Haleigh and hit her mother when she was pregnant. I believe he is responsible for alot of violence in the home. I believe he committed an irreversible crime.
Misty is not violent, she is just a bad liar, but she will go down with him because she lied for him at the expense of the life of a precious child.
I may be completely wrong about all of this but I doubt it. The dots are being connected more and more each day.

I have not seen the video but if he looks pissed that is very telling.

Clealry, this was no time to be doing something like getting engaged.

What is being shown here for sure is that these two "feel" they need to "unite."

Remember how the Anthony's suddenly all pulled together? First the mother said she smelled a dead body in the car. Then she changed it to a rotten pizza. Now Lee Anthony is saying "I believe everything my sister tells me." That is after he smiling admits she has lied to him before. That is insane; but it is happening. Lee said he "has to" believe her. He does. He has to because he has a secret he needs to keep. The baby (Caylee) was his; he had sex with his sister and she got pregnant.

Did you see the way Potty-Mouth Ron's family tried to shut down Geraldo's questions. They know what their son is like when he gets angry and Gerlado was making him angry.

Potty-Mouth Ron keeps doing these stupid token expressions of emotion and feeling. First its that stupid tattoo and now its engagment.

We know the cops keep pulling Smokey in and talking to her. Now, all of sudden, Potty-Mouth has turned into Mr. Romance, declaring he wants to spend the rest of his life with his "dumb bitch girlfriend."

I'll bet the police are working on her to sell him out and he is nervous as hell. However, his deep-seeded problems will continue and she will eventually tell on him, or , he will kill her too (assuming he did the little girl - I hate to think it) to get rid of the last witness.

Oh...it's clear by the police report that they spoke with someone who no-one really knows about because they redacted it. That is why that one witness is blacked out. My guess is that witness told the police something very important.

We need to remember that the police do not need to feel hurried to arrest someone. If they think the little girl is dead they need to find her body - it is her body that is going to provide all the evidence. If Smokey and the Bandit are the culprits here, they are not going anywhere. The stress is eventually going to bring them down - you don't jsut forget something like that and get married and live happily ever after.

I believe the police already know who did it. That's why they keep taking Smokey in for questioning. They believe she can tell them who did it. That would mean they believe she did not do it.

I hate to say it, but people get all down on Geraldo, but his insticts and resources are pretty good. As this proceeds, it may be his tenacity that uncovers more of what is going on. Nancy Grace just asks softball questions and plays a little fiddle for Smokey and the Bandit. Greta could throw some resources into it but who knows. Her big thing is Natalee Holloway.

I'm quite surprised that Nancy Grace didn't mention anything about this tonight. I guess, for whatever reason, she doesn't want to air anything that paints these two in a negative light. Anyone have any insight as to why she's working so hard to defend them? She's usually right on the money and I love her to death...not this case though...

Actually Navigator, I did criticize Geraldo as a ratings hog but then aren't they all. He does have some redeeming qualities, alot more than Ron. He also has a law degree so he is definitely no dummy. Alot of people don't know this but he was the first person in the media to ever air the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination after the government had hidden it away from us for 30 years. The film of course helped expose the "big lies" the Warren Commission had perpetrated on us. He did not win alot of friends by doing that but it was a gutsy move on his part.
Regarding Lee Anthony--I think alot of people figured out the "big secret" a long time ago and I think George Anthony's 5 page suicide note spills the beans on the whole family.
I don't think Misty quite realizes how much fire she is playing with here. Her self esteem is so in the toilet she is actually flattered that this guy "wants to marry her" and I use that phrase very loosely.
I think he will turn on her next, does she even realize her life could be in danger too? Does she realize her family and Ron's are enablers and will be considered accessories to murder after the fact?
I believe Ron's mother knows they are lying and is helping to cover up. I believe Misty's mother's self esteem is even lower than Misty's and it hasn't dawned on her that the man her daughter is engaged to refers to her regularly as "dumb bitch" and that this isn't a normal thing. Probably though in their world it is, sadly.
And then there's Haleigh. Precious, adorable, vulnerable Haleigh who never had a chance just like Caylee. Just like so many kids. I'm a teacher, I wonder if they had her on an "at risk" list at school. These lists are of course confidential but are known to school personnel such as teachers,administrators and school nurses. I think we are going to have to have an at risk rating system which can identify which kids who have actually already experienced domestic violence in the home, sexual abuse, drug use. Our government has all these ridiculous privacy laws to "protect" this information about kids from being known. Well, they certainly didn't protect little Haleigh did they? Perhaps if school personnel had known a little more about her home environment there could have been an intervention.
I have visited several other blogs today and most of them are saying the same things. Today's news sent huge alarm bells off everywhere.

I was checking out Help Find the Missing and In Sessions message boards and looked a little more closely at the photo of Misty with the big smile on her face. I would bet my last dollar she is pregnant. It's the eyes. Ronald has fathered 3 other children out of wedlock and is now deciding to do the honorable thing?? I have to wonder what other reasons there may be. Did he do this for propriety? Maybe Misty's mother threatened to bring charges against him for statutory rape? To prevent her from blowing things wide open? I dunno.

Navigator - Misty made the comment about 'them' taking the van in the interview from youtube. I posted the link on 3/8. If you watch it closely, she seems to be rambling on about the blanket and how 'they' took the van that had Haleigh's blanket so she used another one, I think, that had been hanging on the window (?) It could have been a van the police took, but she seems to be talking about 'them' taking the van BEFORE Haleigh disappeared. That was the impression I got from the interview. That's why it struck me as very odd. And I think either in that video or another video, she says something along the lines of 'I wouldn't have let 'them' take her'. I am leaning now toward the theory perhaps she had company over that night, passed out, and when she woke up, Haleigh was gone and so were 'they'. Let me know if you get a chance to see it. Here is the link again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

Come to think of it Kim, you are right. If she is talking about a blanket she used before Haleigh went missing then she couldn't be talking about law enforcement. Yes, we definitely need to know who "they" are. And also if this is, in fact, the van that was impounded.

Death certificates are public records. They can be purchased from county were death occurred. The beneficiary of the insurance policy gets the insurance.

OK, everyone keeps wondering about the videos and such taken from the house by law enforcement. WEll If you look they took a photo from grandma also. I think those are more for investigative purposes rather than evidence. Man you guys are all wanting to hang Ron. I still do not beleive he was involved, if it is proved that he is than I will eat my words but I think just like him getting a tattoo to feel closer to Haleigh maybe he is feeling so badly right now that he thinks getting married will bring his family back and closer together. I know that is hard for some to beleive but I beleive that some insecure people feel that way. Yes It is not a smart move but at a time like this I am sure some ppl aren't thinking straight.(family members) I wish someone would advise them to get a lawyer even if they are innocent. If not the lynch mob may hang them without evidence.

I still beleive in some round about way Misty did something that night that caused the events to come to where they are now.

OK, I just watched the utube video. When she was talking about doing laundry it seemed to be in response to their question about weather that door was closed earlier. I think she meant that she was doing laundry before going to bed so she would have noticed if that door was open. I really do not think she was doing laundry rather than calling 911. I don't understand who she is talking about taking the van but that was before haleigh went missing because she said she had to take a blanket off the window to cover haleigh because the other blanket was in the van and there was one that haleigh had wet the night before. I will watch again later but that is the way I interpreted it.

Trips,
For me it was not tatoos or lifestyle that turned me around in my suspicions. It was the constantly changing story of the scenario around what went on when Haleigh went missing. I STILL do not know which bed Haleigh was in because every thing that has been said and written has been different. When you have that many changes in a story something is wrong. The police report does not jibe with what was said later by the people involved.
The video tour of the home also did it for me. Lifting a five year old child from the floor up without disturbing anyone else in the room? Not likely. The self closing back door that was supposedly "wide open". It would not stay open even without laundry in the way.
The surprise "engagement".
There are also inconsistent statements about who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop after school on Monday.
Finally, Ron's abusive behavior toward just about everyone and his over the top drama on the phone and when the cops got there after the 911 call.

To Trips - but didn't she say her blanket (Misty's blanket) was in the van 'they' took? I am just wondering who 'they' is.

Left out one other important item that leads me to believe this was a home grown crime-------------the dogs. Three of them hitting on the same dumpster right behind where they live.
Those dogs get it right every time. There was a body there at one time, then it was moved.

I do not want to be right about any of this. I want to be so wrong that little Haleigh comes walking back up to that house any day. That her beautiful smile and spirit have not been extinguished. That she will live to play another day. But it's been over a month.
I believe in hope and faith, but you know what, I believe in dogs most of all.

Kim-
I viewed the video you provided.

This was hard for me to write, it is making me sick and my hands are shaking.

I have studied Neuro-Linguistics. Here is a chart to help you see what I am saying and referring to (scroll down to eye chart.)
http://www.smartdriving.co.uk/Misc_pages/Eye_accessing.htm

Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E

CROSLIN
“Ok, I put her to bed at about, ya’ know 8 O’clock cuz that’s her bedtime - she has school. I put her to bed in her blanket and my blanket – my blanket was in the van that they took – so, we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that and her blanket – her blanket was - she had peed on her blanket the night before I guess and I was going to put it on her but it smelled like pee so I washed the blanket and I gave her a little sheet to cover up with and she fell asleep and I went come in there and put her blanket on her and then I laid down, and it was about, I mean, I’m not positive what time it was like three – ya’ know it was, I seen three – three O’clock in the morning – I got up, and I got up cuz I had to use the bathroom but I didn’t make it to the bathroom I seen the kitchen light on and I walked in the kitchen and the back door was wide open and I mean I didn’t notice about Haleigh until then until I seen the backdoor open then I go in the room and she’s gone – and that’s all I know is when I woke up when I went to sleep she was there and when I woke up she was gone.”

ANALYSIS
“Ok, [EYES UP AND TO THE RIGHT/CREATING] I put her to bed at about, ya’ know 8 O’clock cuz that’s her bedtime - she has school. I put her to bed in her blanket and my blanket – my blanket was in the van that they took – so, we had a blanket hanging on the window and I had to wash that and her blanket – her blanket was - she had peed on her blanket the night before I guess and I was going to put it on her but it smelled like pee so I washed the blanket and I [EYE DOWN AND TO THE RIGHT/EXTREME EMOTION] gave her a little sheet to cover up with and [EYES UP AND TO THE RIGHT/CREATING] she fell asleep and I went come in there and put her blanket on her and then I laid down, and [EYES UP AND TO THE RIGHT/CREATING] it was about, I mean, I’m not positive what time it was like three – ya’ know it was, I seen three – three O’clock in the morning – I got up, and I got up cuz [EYES UP AND TO THE RIGHT/CREATING] I had to use the bathroom but I didn’t make it to the bathroom I seen the kitchen light on and I walked in the kitchen and the back door was wide open and I mean I didn’t notice about Haleigh until then until I seen the backdoor open then I go in the room and she’s gone – and that’s all I know is when I woke up when I went to sleep she was there and when I woke up she was gone.”

SYNOPSIS/OBSERVATIONS/CROSLIN INTERVIEW
Here is my general impression upon first glance.

First of all, I did not see any eye movement up and to the left. UP AND TO THE LEFT is REMEMBERING. She did not appear to be calling upon any actual memories at times when she needed to TRY to remember something. Her eye movement was normal until she needed to “change” something.

Croslin was telling the truth about loving the little girl.

The eye cues show she got very emotional when she talked about putting a “little sheet” on the little girl. I wondered if she had covered the little girl’s dead body, or, a badly beaten little girl. She said she laid down by her. That is very maternal. Did she lay down by a severely beaten child to comfort her – let her know she was still loved?

Croslin appears to be describing a time when she laid down with the little girl, and then, is falsely claiming that that was the time she put the child to bed. She is exchanging one time for another. In a way she did put the child to bed, but it WASN’T THE CHILD’S BEDTIME. The cues indicated she lied about the bedtime. The child could not stand, play, or function. She was dying.

Croslin is playing musical blankets in her mind. This blanket and that blanket and this one had pee and that had pee. One thing stands out, however. She put a SHEET on a child that NEEDED a BLANKET. She did not have a blanket because the blankets were old dirty ones from the window or peed on. She washed laundry as to get some clean blankets to cover the child; meanwhile, the little girl was lying down covered with a sheet. Croslin then LAID DOWN WITH HER for some period of time.

She may have lain down beside the little girl much earlier in the day (not 8 p.m.), after the little girl had been severely beaten – to death.

Did the little girl get beaten for peeing the bed or her pants? Croslin seems to keep talking about pee – it’s in all of her mental images. Everything surrounded pee.

This may be a little girl who died of internal bleeding and it didn’t occur to anyone until she did not wake up.

She simply didn’t wake up.

OMG Navigator... I was BAWLING while I read what you wrote. I am sick and my heart is physically BREAKING for this innocent child. I think you should relay what you just wrote to the police if this is really what you think happened and you have evidence to back up what her eye movements are confessing. I am saddened and sickened.

We know Ron was at work until 3:00am - or so his work says. I also read somewhere a friend or relative saw Haleigh at 7:00pm on the porch eating dinner. So what happened between 7:00pm and 3:00am? Does anyone know for sure what time Ron went to work? Are you saying you think Misty accidentally killed the little girl? Please tell me what you are thinking. If Ron was really at work, then who killed her? Do you think Misty threw her body in the dumpster and then when Ron got home he moved it?

You know when I was a child I believed we all had guardian angels to look over us. I believed the eyes of God were everywhere. What has happened? What kind of world did I bring my own children into? When a child is not safe in her own home, then something is terribly, terribly wrong. I am going to look at the other link you put up right now, but I don't know how much more I can take today.

Actually, I believe it was the father earlier in the day. He beat the little girl for peeing and Croslin tried to comfort her the best she could. She did not realize until later that the child had died.

When she realized it she did not call 911 because she knew why the little girl died.

The 911 call and the antics by the father for the police would have all been staged to create the appearance of an abduction.

The child may have taken a blow to a part of the body that a small child could not sustain.

I'm not an expert on internal bleeding but I would imagine she could have gotten up later and maybe even eaten - all the while dying inside.

I wonder if the child is tied to cinder block and at the bottom of a body of water.

He would have had to get rid of her because her body would have revealed the beating marks.

So the whole sudden marriage thing is nothing more than a sick bond between killer and co-conspirator. Did anyone ever confirm whether or not Misty had phoned Ron earlier in the evening or at any time during his shift? Surely Misty would have called him if she died while he was at work. You are not the first person to feel his phone antics with the 911 operator and his over the top performance in front of responding officers was staged. Do you think the police are onto this? Did they drag the river or just search it? Do you think her little body was moved from the dumpster and disposed of in the river?

I just don't know what to think or write anymore, To see Haleigh in her videos play and have fun like she was, Just kills me to think that she is not or may not ever play or be happy again..

It was years ago a friend was telling me about the eye movement "neuro-linguistic's" I was skeptical until he did a couple tests with me and a couple other people. I believe its true, and I knew I hadn't studied it, but when I saw that interview, I probably wouldn't have noticed her eyes looking up/right. It was so obvious that triggered that memory of what I was told. I never thought more about it until I saw this interview and was really amazed to see Navigator's comment on the subject. There's too much repeating, babbling about the blanket in the window. That's enough to have doubt, but then, add this and it will make hopefully, the people investigating, those that are going to find this child, know. It's frightening. She's 17, immature, and possibly scared to death, IF any of what she says is true, but its such a remote possibility at this point, but I am trying against all logic to believe these people. That interview, for anyone that knows anything about body language (and even those of us who haven't studied it at all) tells what is going on.

I am sure the police know plenty. They have all the phone records now, all the dna, they just don't have Haleigh. They may never have Haleigh, but I believe they can prove what happened. There HAD to be something in that van to give them reason to believe it was involved in a crime. Otherwise, why is it still in impound?
Navigator, I am going to disagree with you on the reason for Ron's anger. Of course just speculation, but many people think that it is the bedwetting that sets the parent off. Many thought this in the JonBenet case but most times it is not for that reason, because frankly, after a while, the parents get used to the "routine" of the constant sheet changing and laundry.
No, I believe he was set off but by something else entirely. Poor little Haleigh just probably got on his last nerve and it ended her life. I remember they said he backhanded her one time because she was disrespectful or argumentative or something. I think something like "challenging his authority" would enrage Ron much worse than a physical condition which Haleigh had no control over.
What angers me even more is here we go again with grandparents helping to "cover up" the crime.
I tell you as much as I love my daughter, if I ever thought she was guilty of doing away with my grandchild, that would be it. I would NEVER participate in a coverup. I would want to believe her innocent until proven guilty but once someone is indicted and charged with murder, they've got a boatload of evidence already.

I watched the pathetically small amount of coverage given to the Haleigh Cummings case tonight on Nancy Grace.

I was waiting for Grace to stand up in a cheerleader’s uniform and pom-poms, kick her legs up in the air and start a cheer for Smokey and the Bandit. “Give me a R…” “What does it spelllllll?” RONALD and MISTY Yayyyyyyyyyy

Pew!

What I found interesting is the police are now making the soon-to-be newly-wed love-birds move their statuary-rape-hut – the authorities are citing codes – something about campgrounds. That tells me the authorities are losing their patience with Smokey and the Bandit.

That is an interesting move on part of the authorities because it follows directly on the heels of this despicable behavior by Smokey and the Bandit. I’m sure the police have not missed the fact that Smokey and the Bandit are exploiting compassionate and generous human beings who have donated money for the monthly expenses of the Cummings household via a special bank account that was set up. That pig went and got drunk like a sailor, got an expensive tramp-stamp, and now he purchased a diamond ring. His little juvenile delinquent rape-wife was smiling for herself about her big moment.

Nancy Grace won’t shut up about Casey Anthony (whose victim has been found and mourned) but she won’t say any negative thing about these two vile tent lizards.

Nancy Grace is beginning to lack the outrage needed to be an influential and credible child-advocate. She is wasting all kinds of air-time talking about some gorgeous starlet who got smacked all to crap by the loser she chose in life – a woman who is loaded with riches and has everything she wants. When Grace is not belly-aching about those non-issues, she’s using up more valuable air-time babbling about the “octo-mom.”

What’s next Nancy, the Loch Ness Monster? “Bomb-shell!!! Tonight! Nessie spotted surfacing along the shores of Loch Ness, all while octo-mom BINGES on greasy onion rings at a local pub, throwing away weeks of dieting and packing on pounds of whale blubber after losing almost ALL of her baby fat! Meanwhile, Casey Anthony FEASTS on potato chips, pork rimes, and moon pies while enjoying all of life’s pleasures in her own private jail cell.” Let’s un-leash the lawyers…yeah, whatever.

Whatever happened to Haleigh Cummings, she did not get a second chance. She will probably never get to kiss a boy, hold a boy’s hand, go to prom, get married, rock a baby, sing a lullaby, be a grandma, and live a life. Haleigh Cummings does not get to put on 27 pounds of sickening baby-doll make-up and prance around in front of cameras while she is admired and adored by thousands.

There might be a little girl out there tied to a rope and cinder block, swaying quietly back and forth in the pitch dark abyss of cold black water, and Nancy Grace is not defending her at all or pursuing her recovery.

I’m not sticking up for Nancy Dis-Grace anymore.

LOL @ Vile tent lizards...Oh Navigator you crack me up.

OMG!! LOL LOL "What’s next Nancy, the Loch Ness Monster? “Bomb-shell!!! Tonight! Nessie spotted surfacing along the shores of Loch Ness, all while octo-mom BINGES on greasy onion rings at a local pub, throwing away weeks of dieting and packing on pounds of whale blubber after losing almost ALL of her baby fat! Meanwhile, Casey Anthony FEASTS on potato chips, pork rimes, and moon pies while enjoying all of life’s pleasures in her own private jail cell.” Let’s un-leash the lawyers…"

I could totally hear her saying that too! LOL

Thanks for the much needed laugh in regards to this case Navigator.

I'm with ya Navigator. It is bizarre that so much newsworthy has happened in the Haleigh case in just 48 hours and barely a whimper out of Nancy. She has dropped this like a hot potato and there has got to be a reason. My guess is she has figured out that she's been had. It's embarrassing to admit that you felt sorry for, interviewed, and gave air time and empathy to people who clearly are scamming you. I really like Jane V's show that comes on earlier but sometimes I don't get home in time to watch it and they don't repeat it later like they do NG. Jane seems to give more equal time to all of the stories and does not favor one over the other. If you ask me, Nancy needs to "let go" of Caylee. It's time to let the courts and the jury system take over, you KNOW the whole thing will be televised. Then, BOMBSHELL! NG will be all over the court proceedings for the next year! My God, enough already.

MarnieLynn in Canada-

Thanks. I was half-kidding and half-pissed.

Nancy Grace has been given a very special opportunity in this world to have her voice heard on TV by thousand upon thousands, if not millions of people. She is selling out for something. Next time I’m going watch closer who is purchasing ads during her show.

Grace babbles on and on obnoxiously about that Rihana and her loser beau who jap-slapped her in the car, while those two are actually together again and recording a duet in the studio like Sonny and Cher in the good old days. Grace is in-directly promoting them – any press is good press – everyone is going to want to hear that damn song about their “love” because he bashed her face in. Way to go Nancy Grace – let’s get all our teenage kids to think the best part of a domestic beating is the steamy make-up sex and kissing with busted up lips. There’s nothing quite as romantic than the sight of a hicky on top of a choke mark. That Rihana looked like Rocky Balboa after 15 rounds with Apollo Creed and now she’s refusing to testify and making the State’s case real hard to prove.

Just because that domestically violent dirt-bag Chris Brown wears expensive clothes instead of sitting around home in a wife-beater with a Schlitz doesn’t mean people give a crap about him. Why does Nancy Grace think just because he has an expensive car that his road-rage is more news worthy than what some Lenny in an El-Camino and Italian tuxedo does to his trailer-family when no one is looking?

Why doesn’t Grace just wait and give that little millionaire queenie the coverage she wants when she becomes the next Nicole Brown-Simpson.

If Grace wants to address domestic violence I would say there is a pretty good story about it down in Satsuma, Florida right now. Some guy down there told the police his “dumb bitch girlfriend” let someone steal his daughter. The Satsuma story guy has a Berreta and likes to remind people of it, including deer that he shoots at night. Weird thing is, his chain-smoking girlfriend can’t tell the same story twice about the last hours and minutes before the man’s five year-old daughter disappeared from the face of the earth. But the story gets better. Apparently cupid showed up and shot the two at a Chili’s restaurant and the juvenile delinquent statutory rape victim is now engaged to be married to Big Daddy who promises to dishonor and beat her until death do them part. Oh, and we don’t want to forget that Romeo slugged his pregnant-ex-child-rape-victim girlfriend while she was pregnant with the now missing kindergartner and kicked her off the bed while he was snorting coke. Now Romeo’s walking dead mother has to make TV appearances on his behalf because he doesn’t think he should to have answer questions like, “Have you ever hit your daughter.”

Way to go Nancy Grace. America couldn’t be prouder.

Native Texan-

But does Grace know she’s being scammed?

Tonight she called the law “asses” for making Smokey and the Bandit take their tent someplace else. I guess these two can bilk compassionate and generous people out of money intended to pay the Cummings’ household bills, which they then take and use to purchase C-grade county jail looking tattoos, booze, and diamond rings. That’s exactly what they did, but no, Nancy Drew gets pissed off at the law and the authorities for picking on them and enforcing laws and codes. She actually insulted Satsuma authorities for making Smokey and the Bandit play the games that lovers play someplace else, and not in the same area where their small beautiful child may have had her spirit removed from her frame because she was little and he was big.

My hat is off to the Florida authorities for showing they got some plums. They’re probably pissed because he refuses to go back into the house he committed murder in. Good for them.

Even if this little girl Haleigh is deceased maybe they could recover her body and still obtain usable forensic evidence. Who gives a rip about Rihana – she gets to choose now – its called being an adult. If she gets turned on by a super-freak doing his Captain Caveman thing it isn’t any of my business. Grace is showing clips of Oprah giving advice to Rihana – who gives a crap? “Ohhhh, Rihana, it might seem really sexy the way he enters the room, his nose flaring and rugged good looks, bringing you an ice-pack for your swollen face, but it won’t last. Just because hair grows back doesn’t mean its ok, honey. The bald spot may grow back in, but the roots of love are forever damaged. Take some time, it may seem like he cares while he is rubbing Icy-Hot on your severed thigh muscles where he kicked your ass across the house. Love doesn’t feel like a Charlie-horse honey.”

There is a five year-old missing and Nancy Grace wants to talk about why Rihana is doing the latest thing Rihana is doing. It might not have has much Hollywood glitz to it but when some Cooder-screwer down south is lying to police about a missing child it is far more important than a millionaire adult getting invaluable press for getting her ass kicked by a guy who has certainly done it to her before. Either way, both of them have to warm all up to a dirty animal when they hear “Come give daddy a kiss.” The rape victim in Florida could probably tell the police where a child’s body is at. Who gives a crap about Rihana’s next song or photo shoot.

How long before Smokey disappears?

I hope the cops find that little girl soon.

Wow--excellent posts, all! I have been following this case closely since the story first broke, and my conclusions are the same as many here.

Ron is the author of whatever happened to Haleigh, and Misty is his co-conspirator. Whatever happened, she knows, and she's covering for him. The only person Misty would lie for for so long--besides herself--is Ron. Some have posted that maybe Misty is afraid of Ron, her abuser. Maybe, but she's an enabler just like the rest of his fmaily, and what she fears far more than Ron is LOSING Ron.

And if Ron even SUSPECTED that Misty really had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance--whether by negligence ("They took her while I slept!" OR "Sorry, I left the kids alone to party and they took her!") or by active participation ("Sorry, I beat her to death because she peed on the blanket AGAIN!"), he would have beat the crap out of her or killed her by now.

But instead, he's marrying her.

And Misty's wearing that cat-that-ate-the-canary smile.

Something is very, VERY wrong here.

Excellent analysis all, especially of the eye movement cues in Misty's interviews.

But very sad.

BTW, Navigator, you are brilliant!

I dont see any evidence here that ron/misty committed this crime. Their behaviour is consistent with people who are innocent. the time line says they are innocent. People always have inconsistencies in their stories in general and when recalling an incident like this. its the people who have the perfect rehearsed s