My heart goes out to Elizabeth's family. Her death was senseless and should never have happened. The Olten family will be in my prayers.

I couldnt believe it when I read a 15 year old GIRL was taken into custoday...rough enough to think of adult men doing such horrid abductions and murders to young girls..but now we have to consider young teenage girl murderers too???

I am so very sorry for the family of Elizabeth and have them in my prayers.

WELL SORRY TO SAY THAT. NOW IS A TIME FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT LET THEIR CHILDREN GO WITHOTHERS TO THEIR HOME. HAVE SLEEP OVERS.BUT I DONT BLAME THE PARENTS FOR THEIR DUAGHTER'S DEATH. I AM HEART BROKEN. I COUNT IMAGINE MY LIFE WITH OUT MY CHILD.

I AM A MOTHER OF FOUR AND CAN'T IMAGINE LIFE WITHOUT MY CHILDREN.WORDS CAN'T EXPRESS THE SORROW I FEEL FOR ELIZABETHS FAMILY.THERE IS NO WAY TO GET THROUGH THIS WITHOUT THE LORD.I CAN ONLY PRAY FOR HER FAMILY AND EACH AND EVERY ONE THAT THIS HAS TOUCHED.PLEASE PARENTS TAKE YOUR CHILDREN AND TELL THEM HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THEM AND HOW MUCH THEY MEAN TO YOU AND WHAT A GIFT THEY ARE AND THEN PRAY THAT THIS NEVER HAPPENS TO ANOTHER ONE OF OUR CHILDREN.I'VE ALWAYS KEPT MY CHILDREN CLOSE BUT NOW WILL KEEP THEM EVEN CLOSER KNOWING HOW EVIL THIS WORLD HAS BECOME!

hope she gets the death penalty

Why in the world would one child kill another? Some blogger said there were disturbing Twitter posts by the suspect. Wonder what that was about?

Such a tragic case. The twitter is very dark

This just makes me sick. No excuses for this type of crimes. I hope she's tried as an adult and gets the maximum punishment. How very sad.

i'm an aunt to elizabeth and her dad would like every one to know he thanks them for all for there help ans surport

A child under the age of 16 can't receive the death penalty. The max is life in prison. Still, I think she should be tried as an adult. My prayers go out to the family.

I can't help but feel that poor Elizabeth had a rotten life with a dad and brother in prison. If dad had been a better parent, she might have had a better life.

Some people breed with no more thought than cats and dogs. The resulting offspring-like so many kittens and puppies, don't always grow up to be someone's beloved companions.

Trash like these people should be spayed and neutered.

Robin, STFU, YOUR POST WAS AS NON-SENSICAL AS THE CRIME.

IM THE COUSIN OF THE 15YR OLD GIRL SHE HAS A LOT OF MENTAL ISSUES &HAS BEEN THREW ALOT AS A YOUNG CHILD HER SELF I DO NOT WANT THE DEATH PENALTY 4MY COUSIN I DO THINK SHE DOES NEED 2B N A MENTAL WARD PLACE ON MEDICATION... I AM PRAYING 4THE ELIZBETH FAMILY &THEIR IS NO EXCUSE WHY THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPEND 2HER..

I can't help but read the "I hope they try her as an adult" comments and wonder... She's 15 years old. I know, I know. She knew what she was doing, right? A crime like that, she obviously plotted to kill and understood the dire consequences. But, while everyone's still pandering to the family's sympathy, how about we go all go read this little nugget: http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2009/10/scary_numbers_man_30_poses_as_teen_17_to_sodomize_girl_14_christopher_elders.php

When you get done, ask yourself something: what's the difference between a 14 year old girl have (apparently) consensual (even if she was misled about his age) and a 15 year old girl committing murder? Does a year in age really separate one girl's "innocence" from another's guilt? If, in this country, we claim a 15 year old can stand trial for murder as an adult, fully aware of the repercussions of her deeds must we not make a similar case for the 14 year old who engages in consensual sex with an adult?

I don't advocate 14 year old children having sex with adults but, I also do not condone 15 year old children being charged as adults either.

I'm so ticked off when people are SHOCKED that it's a teen age girl. Does anyone remember junior high and high school girls??? They can be ABSOLUTELY EVIL. They will hound a fat girl; an unpopular girl; someone who is dating a boy that they like; etc. TO INFINITY. They boys will get into fights and then it's over, but girls HOLD GRUDGES FOR LIFE. It's been said the the evilness in some men, is a result of their feminine side. I'm beginning to believe it. Check out any divorce hearing (CHRISTY BRINKLEY....) and you can see how evil SOME females can be. GIVE HER THE DEATH PENALTY. Could someone post the girls last name--I'm interested to see if she is a LATINO / HISPANIC and whether she is an anchor baby.

Sociopaths come in ALL AGES, GENDERS AND COLORS. Anyone who is capable of murder at age 15 needs to be locked up for good.
We should all look around and realize that there is pure evil in our world - sometimes right next to us, at home, at work or the mall -anywhere and everywhere we go.
Pure evil is defined by a lack or absence of human conscience - otherwise known as a Sociopath. This is not a sickness, but most possibly a genetic condition. It is NOT CURABLE - not a 'sickness' or 'illness' but a human trait, like blue eyes or brown hair. We should stop being so SHOCKED at existence of these people and identify them, for the safety of the rest of us.
Tragic story ! But by the law of averages, it is predictable. Once a convict is identifed as a sociopath, the jail house door should be locked forever.

It's horrible that people can be so evil. This is true. Hate is also evil Dex. Dex are you evil? Why are you so anxious to place the blame on a LATINO / HISPANIC minority? YOU should also get the death penalty for even attempting to spread HATRED in this world that is so full of hate right now. YOU are an ass DEX! I bet you are an undereducated trailer trash beer drinking/pot smoking ass, regardless of your racial background! GO TO HELL DEX!!!

Where is the Twitter post that the 15 year old subject allegedly posted?

This case is absolutely horrendous!!! My heart goes out to the family and friends of the victim.
T-VIX...you are actually comparing a 14 yr old having sex with an adult and a 15 yr old committing a brutal murder?? Believe me if it was your 9 yr old daughter that was brutally murdered you would be screaming for life in prison. How many more children have to lose their lives needlessly before the courts start taking charge of things.As far as I'm concerned take a life, give a life.

I hope they give her the death penalty. make an example of that monster.

I hate mexicans

I think this entire tragedy is heartbreaking for all involved, all the families......however, I don't believe there is any rehabilitation that exists today that can *cure" a 15 year old brutal murderer. Unfortunately, some crimes just cry out for the death penalty. And, some murderers have to just be "put down" like rabid dogs.

I am not here to judge the kind of family Elizabeth came from, although I don't understand how an aunt in mourning can sit and read blogs about the death of her beautiful niece that she supposedly loved. I just wanted to say that the girl that did this is obviously mentally unstable or just plain evil. I hope she is haunted by what she did every day of the rest of her miserable life (hopefully behind bars).

there is no indication that the 15 year old is any other ethnicity other than caucasian. if that's true (and i'm from the st. martins area...odds are that it is) does that mean that dex and twinkie are going to hate whites? you must be miserable, ignorant people to find a way to turn this tragedy into a racial issue as opposed to seeing it for the horrible loss that it is.

As far as her family is concerned...her mother had the presence of mind and knowledge of her daughter's behavior to call 911 within 15 to 20 minutes of elizabeth not arriving home on time. if i'm to make any assumptions, i would feel confident that she was not only concerned with her daughter's safety but knew that she wouldn't just wonder off or break curfew. that's more than can be said for thousands of other parents.

NevadaStorm-

What I'm observing is the lack of consistency we have as a nation for both laws and moral value. It's ok to to treat a 14 year old girl as an innocent child without question when it comes to sex but, apparently committing murder is, at the very least questionable about "innocence" of childhood. Ask yourself, if this 15 year old girl was having consensual sex with a 30, 40 or 50 year old man, would you be so quick to say she's an adult and knew what she was getting into? Or would you be like most of those people on the aforementioned link who call that 30 year old a sick bastard. Either a 15 year old is old enough to understand their actions as an adult would or they are do not.

Again, I do not condone sex between children and adults but I do not condone charging children as adults either.

I understand where you're coming from T-Vix but the thought of this 15 year old getting tried as a juvenile and being free in 6 years is terrifying. I don't know what the solution is...but I have to believe there should be some sort of middle ground. I can't imagine a way to EVER repair a mind so broken that it would be safe to allow her among us ever again.

Well this is very sad. I'm praying for the family. My neighbor was murdered in 2008 and it was a very sad time. I don't think the girl should get the death penalty and even though she did kill someone I don't think she should get LIFE because people change from the time they are 15 until they are adults. She won't be the same person she is now. Altough I hope the murderer of my neighbor gets life because he knew exactly what he was doing, this girl may not have. Thats no excuse however its possible. I hope she gets help and the family of the young girl gets support. I know what its like to lose someone you love because of someone else's stupidity.

My prays are for both family to help them Thur this

"cousin of the 15yr old said:
IM THE COUSIN OF THE 15YR OLD GIRL SHE HAS A LOT OF MENTAL ISSUES &HAS BEEN THREW ALOT AS A YOUNG CHILD HER SELF I DO NOT WANT THE DEATH PENALTY 4MY COUSIN I DO THINK SHE DOES NEED 2B N A MENTAL WARD PLACE ON MEDICATION..."

Your cousin AB is not eligible for the death penalty, but I wonder with such a history why she wasn't already on medication?

Could you tell us whether it's true that her grandparents were running a daycare out of the home where she and her siblings are staying?

T-Vex, I understand your viewpoint and all - but did you know that this murder was planned? I believe this girl knew what she was getting into since he wrote about it in her diary, "twittered" about it, and not to mention the fact that she was able to hide the body so well that she fooled the police, police dogs, and perhaps even investigators.
In my mind, I think this girl should be held responsible for her actions. And I have to disagree with the majority of these writers about her getting the death penalty though. Why do we have to kill people to teach people that killing is wrong? I'm sorry, but it just seems really hypocritical to me. Just because shes guilty doesn't mean shes human. Anyway just thought I'd share my thoughts.
My condolences to the family.

Do you people realize that the 15 year-old might not have done it? Just because someone is charged does not necessary mean that the accused actually did that? Especially in a "high-profile" case like this one? Maybe the police just needed to find someone to charge. I do feel sorry for the family though...

'Friend' I agree that everyone is making alot of assumptions regarding the circumstances of the loss of this little girl. I've read that Elizabeth was found deep in the woods. Isn't it possible that at the least the 15 year old had help?

Just goes to show you how mean little girls can be these days. I have a 10 year old and have already experienced minor things from other girls toward my daughter. This is horrible and my heart goes out to her family.

Has anyone heard what the 15 yr olds name is? I know police havent released it but Has anyone heard what her name is?

I agree that we should not give anyone the death penalty. I believe if a person commits a horrendous crime they should sit the rest of their lives in prison, and they should have to be tortured with what they have done to another human being. I believe convicted criminals should have to face everyday the crimes they committed (for example making ordering them to have group therapy discussing what they have done and the reasoning for the crime committed, secondly I feel that they should have to face the family members of the victim or the victims themselves if still alive.) When I was 12 years old a 16 year old boy murdered my 27 year old brother with 2 gun shots to the head, then left my brothers body in a brush area to decompose. My brothers body was located 4 days later in the month of July which in Georgia is one of the hottest months. We could not have an open casket funeral due to the decomposition, due to this closure for my family members especially my mother was hard to gain. The 16 year old boy was tried as an adult, and took a plea bargain 2 life sentences with the possibility of parole. August of 2010 will be 20 years and my brothers murderer is still in prison. I wrote him in 2006 just to let him know that many people were affected by his actions, and as long as I have breath in my body I will dispute his parole. The point I am getting at is why do we protect juveniles identities?? I want to know who was protecting Elizabeth Olten, or my brother? And to the person claiming to be the 15 year old murderer's cousin, I feel for you and your family along with the victims family. You stated her life hasn't been that great, FRANKLY MY DEAR I DON'T GIVE A DAMN. Most of everybody in the world have bad experiences, I myself have had to be treated for mental conditions, and to which my therapists blame on me at the age of 12 having to deal with the murder and court proceedings of my brother murder, and guess what I have never murdered a person nor have I ever tried to use my mental condition or my brothers murder as an excuse for anything I have or havn't done in my life. Basically this 15 year old girl took somebody's daughter, sister, friend, among other things. Let me just ask to the cousin of the MURDERER..........What if it were your cousin that were the one right now your family was having to plan the funeral for how would you feel about the teenager that took her from you? WTF is up with this hearing in the morning to decide if this thing everyone wants to consider a child will be detained or not. I don't believe a judge would send her home if the evidence that they have led them to arrest and charge her. I believe everyone deserves their day in court, but we have to protect this society of these alleged indivduals until that day comes. My prayers and concerns go out to every victim's family but also to the accused and convicted's families also.

'xela', her name is out there because I've seen comments stating as much but I haven't run across it. There is also mention of several twitter posts she made that those who have read them say are pretty terrible.

I pray for the family of Elizabeth Olten and the family of the 15 year old that they find strength in the Lord. Evil is present all over but it can be defeated because it is a driven spirit. The Devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy, BUT he can not make anyone do anything. He puts thoughts into our minds, but we can rebuke those thoughts with the WORD OF GOD! If we dont not know his word, spend time with him in pray, and built a relationship with him, we are subject to do anything that is evil. We MUST BRING OUR CHILDREN UP IN GODS WORDS

It's really, really stupid to argue about the death penalty on here. The insane, sick, twisted, disgusting 15 year old girl who has done this to Elizabeth CAN'T get the death penalty. In the state of MO, we don't execute anyone under the age of 16. HOWEVER; she should definately be tried as an adult, serving life with no parole. It makes me sick that my tax dollars have to even support her ass in prison or a juvenile center; but if there is no execution possible, she shouldn't EVER be forgiven for what she has done, much less see outside of a cell for the rest of her pathetic life. She planned it, acted on it, and is hopefully going to regret it for the rest of her life. You get what you deserve.. and she can't even get that.

People like that don't change- that's a fact. Someone so young.. ughhhh it's horrible to me. What is our world, even our hometown coming to? I helped search for her for the two days, and was a neighbor to her and her family. It all hits too close to home.

Rest in peace, angel. We're still praying for your family... and will continue to.

Will someone please let me know where I can read the suspects twitter posts that were very dark and scary... Have searched enture internet and not able to find ANYTHING???? Not even anything confirming the name Xela? Someone please give me any info you have... My prayers go out to all that are involved

I keep seeing people talking about these twitter posts and her FB account, and everyone keeps saying her name is "AB."
Anyone know her actual name?????????????????????????

It should be noted that no one under the age of 18 can be sentenced to death in the U.S. The max sentence she can get is LWOP, and she should get it. Six years isn't enough to protect society.

I knew a 15 year old boy who committed a murder in Missouri 14 years ago. He was tried as an adult, found guilty, and entered an adult maximum security prison at the age of 16. It was harsh but so was the crime. I am conflicted on what should happen to a 15 year old who commits murder. In California, if a crime is committed by anyone under 18, they enter a juvenile facility until they turn the age of 18. Missouri is very strict on crime. This is such a sad story...

please dear Lord help this family survive this the best they can , why should this shock us on that it is a girl its like our children don't matter at all my son is also 9 and he still doesn't get it that i can't let him out of my site how could we? there have been so many kids killed for no reason
now she the killer will get help what help did she give elizabeth please God help me to my heart is also broken

Robin better just try and say nothing then the stupidity that came out of your mouth

DEX - what do you mean by '...I'm interested to see if she is a LATINO / HISPANIC and whether she is an anchor baby.' What if she isn't 'LATINO / HISPANIC'? Does that make any difference to the seriousness of the crime?

What's wrong with you folks talking about death penalty, life in prison, trying as an adult?? In case you didn't know, in the U.S. there is a presumption of innocence...the state has to prove the case. You're talking about convicting the child before ANY details have been released. Sadly, people are wrongfully arrested and convicted everyday in this country. This is an incredibly tragic situation and my heart goes out to Elizabeth's family and that community. Let's not get too carried away before details are released. Arrest does not always mean Guilt.

Why did the media give this so little attention? All I saw last week was one littel line about this little girl. Everything was about the girl in Florida who was missing and found murdered at the same time. It is so heartbreaking for both families. I read CNN.com and Foxnews.com every day and there was very little mentioned about Elizabeth.

It is irrelevant the ethnicity of the 15 yr old girl. Murderers come in all ages, races, genders, etc. The girl is a murderer, enough said. She had mental issues? Suffered from depression? Had a tough home life? So what!!! I had a horrible childhood, suffer from bouts of deep, deep depression and have never murdered anyone. It's time our society STOPPED MAKING EXCUSES for everyone and everything. If people took responsibility for their actions and were FINALLY HELD RESPONSIBLE, crime in this country would all but cease. How many more children will it take?

KIKI T said:

"I understand where you're coming from T-Vix but the thought of this 15 year old getting tried as a juvenile and being free in 6 years is terrifying. I don't know what the solution is...but I have to believe there should be some sort of middle ground. I can't imagine a way to EVER repair a mind so broken that it would be safe to allow her among us ever again."

KIKI T-

Yes, there has to be some "middle ground". Unfortunately, in order to get to that point we have to have some serious discussion on childhood responsibility. We can't get to that discussion if, every time some young teenager has consensual sex with an adult, the automatic response is to throw the adult in jail. We must set equal standards for both.

As far as her mind being "broken" is concerned, there you are discussing a care and treatment issue, not an incarceration issue. I've known felons that go back into prison almost the day they've come out. I've also known ones that have stayed out, held good jobs and raised families. The amount of time in prison doesn't seem to make a difference.

This whole story is tragic, for all involved. I knew immediately when reports came out about Elizabeth's body being located that it was going to be an older child and that it would most likely be a girl that was responsible. Mark my words, it will come out that this 15 year old is from an unstable home situation, that she has been exposed to violent behavior on a regular basis, that she has social and behavioral issues, etc.

Sadly, too many kids are out there who are not loved, taught right from wrong or even given the basic emotional necessities with which to grow and thrive and become a decent world citizen. And now it is too late, a beautiful nine year old little girl is gone, before she ever had a chance to become whoever she would have been.

Watch and see. The "motive" for this senseless murder will end up being something absolutely ridiculous. Some little perceived slight, some petty jealousy, some stupid little comment that set this angry little 15 year old half formed woman child off.

As the mother of a nine year old daughter my heart is broken for Elizabeth's family and frozen in fear. How do I protect my own precious baby girl in a world such as this?

Matt said:

"T-Vex, I understand your viewpoint and all - but did you know that this murder was planned? I believe this girl knew what she was getting into since he wrote about it in her diary, "twittered" about it, and not to mention the fact that she was able to hide the body so well that she fooled the police, police dogs, and perhaps even investigators.
In my mind, I think this girl should be held responsible for her actions."

Yes, as I understand things, she did plan this but, what's the difference between her planning a murder and if she'd had planned to have sex with her best friends father or uncle after Homecoming? Is she not committing a premeditated act? Would she not apply the same logic and forethought, however flawed.

Again, I do not condone children having sex nor do I condone children being tried as adults.

Sorry, a bit late to this...but what comments did this individual twitter about? Just curious.

UniqueMommie
I agree with you 100%. I too had my little brother murdered over 20 years ago, and I NEVER got over it. And I would NEVER murder or hurt anyone just because I have gone through it. No matter what she was going through, taking a life is not an answer. The little girl did not deserve to be murdered. My prayers go out to her family, and the family of the 15 year old, BUT NOT to the 15 year old herself. She should rot in Jail.

I am shocked to see the rush to condemnation of every aspect of the life and soul of the 15-year old girl, along with the assumed failures of the victim's family. There isn't a shred of regard for our American principles of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, or the compassion of Jesus for others most importantly for the weakest among us--whether innocent youth or the mentally troubled. Throw in some racism and a lack of basic language & writing skills from the bloggers and I'm left to wonder what kind of town this place is? It sounds like a sordid little hamlet saturated with hate. I pity the children there.

I found out a lot of information by reading through scaredmonkeys.net and websleuths.com.
Information about her tweets, her myspace, and if you do a little bit of searching with their clues, even her name.
I won't be posting any of that here because she is a minor... however, many people already know her name so it will probably be out in the media soon.

I understand most of the comments; they seem to center around the question of whether a 15 year old should be charged as an adult for a crime usually committed by adults.
The rest are condolences for the family.
One set of comments seem to stand out and have no bearing on this discussion; those of T-vix regarding underage children having sex with adults. After reading these, I have a queasy feeling that T-vix is too close to that topic. Methinks he protests too much, even though he states that he doesn't condone adult/child sex. The example of a girl having planned sex with a best friend's father or uncle after Homecoming seems to ring of an actual event being described. There's a word for a man or woman who would do this: predator. Much more than sex is involved. There's betrayal; of the best friend, her family, the girl's family...power of an older, more sophisticated person over a weaker, younger, less sophisticated one. No matter that she agreed. The young, naive, unsophisticated, uneducated can be persuaded into venturing into a territory that someone more experienced can see is dangerous and unwise. I'm sure Roman Polanski's victim found this out, to her horror.

miranda,

I understand your sentiments and your frustration with the rush to judgment that seems to be occurring here. My only question is are you not doing the same thing?

For one who is "shocked to see the rush to condemnation of every aspect of the life and soul of the 15-year old girl, along with the assumed failures of the victim's family." are you not doing the same within the very same paragraph?

"Throw in some racism and a lack of basic language & writing skills from the bloggers and I'm left to wonder what kind of town this place is? It sounds like a sordid little hamlet saturated with hate. I pity the children there."

FYI most of the folks commenting here are not from the area where this occurred. This story has gripped the nation.

Like I said in my earlier post - this is a tragedy for all involved. Nobody wins in a situation such as this. Nobody.

Why does everyone keep saying why would a child kill another one? There have ALWAYS been bullies out there brutally beating other children. I used to run for my life (trying to get safely home from school) often when growing up, having to outrun bullies who threatened my life and when I got home feeling as though my heart would burst, only to be told there was nothing the teacher, principal, and whole neighborhood could do to protect me. People need to get involved and watch their kids and prevent the bullies from terrorizing everyone else...

Okay, I think that I have read enough. It is time that people stop believing that a 14 or 15 year is in some way innocent of heart just because of his or her age. This type of thought is so stupid and completely irrelevant. This girl knew what she was doing, and so do girls that are 13,14,15,16, and 17 when they choose to have sex with a peer or an adult...( T-VEX you are stupid!) It is like you people forget what you knew when you were that age!!! Joan, the comment you made was so disrespectful when saying it is hard enough to imagine adult men doing something like this.... LIKE WE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT COULD DO THINGS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! The thinking on this stuff is so conditioned... women commit these crimes as well as men, and apparently so do young people!!! It is like you forget Columbine and even Arkansas, with even younger perpetrators, who committed premeditated murders. She should be tried as an adult. She knew what she was doing, and made a conscious decision. Stop making excuses! And another thing, who wants to talk about how the media was crucifying all the registered sex offenders for a WEEK, almost resulting in false accusations and gross injustice?!!!! Our country is so condition through the media, start thinking for yourselves, and come work for the ACLU. As far as forgiveness, she should be forgiven, yet not for her sake, but for the sake of the victim's family. Bitterness will only make life unbearable for them and the lives of the people closely involved. Personally, I am a big believer in mercy, because I like to receive it. I encourage all of us to be in prayer not only for the victims but also for this girl and her family. In life bad things happen, unfortunately, but how we respond makes us either greater or worse as a people.

flourchild said:

"I understand most of the comments; they seem to center around the question of whether a 15 year old should be charged as an adult for a crime usually committed by adults.
The rest are condolences for the family.
One set of comments seem to stand out and have no bearing on this discussion; those of T-vix regarding underage children having sex with adults. After reading these, I have a queasy feeling that T-vix is too close to that topic. Methinks he protests too much, even though he states that he doesn't condone adult/child sex. The example of a girl having planned sex with a best friend's father or uncle after Homecoming seems to ring of an actual event being described. There's a word for a man or woman who would do this: predator. Much more than sex is involved. There's betrayal; of the best friend, her family, the girl's family...power of an older, more sophisticated person over a weaker, younger, less sophisticated one. No matter that she agreed. The young, naive, unsophisticated, uneducated can be persuaded into venturing into a territory that someone more experienced can see is dangerous and unwise. I'm sure Roman Polanski's victim found this out, to her horror."

flourchild-

You are partially right, though your comments about my intentions toward children completely miss the mark. Yes, the topic of children being treated unequally and unfairly does hit close to home for me. I won't bother you or the rest of this group with my private life experiences but I will say this: the core of my comment is, was, and will remain with the idea that we, as both a society and a nation, apply an unfair and unequal standard toward the young.

The fact, unfortunately, is that extremism is what typically gets attention. I did not need to use sex as a method of example but, that's what get attention. I could have said, for example, that at age 18 a person can legal (in most states) enter into contractual agreements, own property, vote and even join the military to fight (and sometimes die) for our country. But, they cannot buy or possess alcohol.

Or, I could have said that a 16 year old can be trusted with a 1 ton 15 passenger van to travel on highways and interstates at speeds of up to 65-75 mph, sharing a roadway with sometimes as much as 100 people. Yet that same 16 year old cannot vote, legally own property (including the vehicle they are driving in some states) or even see an "R" rated movie without a parent or guardian.

I could go on: curfews, legal status, even one of the founding cornerstones of our country: taxation with representation. I could spend hours explaining to all here how we have separate rules and standards for varying age groups. I won't but, I could. And that's my point. There are so very many contradictions in play with regards to children that, we obviously do not seem to know exactly what to do about them. How can we justify life in prison for a 15 year old and then say that 15 year olds are not capable of understanding voting procedures (as if certain counties in Florida have any understanding either)? How can we tell one person that they are old enough to kill or die for an ideal but not old enough to handle the unpredictable nature of alcohol?

I used the example of sex because, in our society, it is the most glaring example of bias available. In 2004, during Superbowl 38, a woman showed a breast for less than five seconds and that became a controversy. Never mind the fact that this nation was involved in two wars and continued to show the bodies of bombing victims on national news. The fact is we treat sex differently in this country than we do most other issues. So, it is not much of a jump to show how that inconsistency plays out against our already unequal bias toward children.

I'll ignore your implications that I'm some sort of sexual predator, not because I am not offended but because I can only assume you were trying to draw a logical line. To be clear, my comment was aimed at rebuffing that exact claim before it was made. I've posted on enough forums and boards to know that there is always someone willing to make abserd accusations and there's always fools to follow. I thought it best, given the nature of my comments, to place a sort of disclaimer out before things got carried away.

Very discouraging news. My heart goes out to Elizabeth and her family.

flourchild-

You are partially right, though your comments about my intentions toward children completely miss the mark. Yes, the topic of children being treated unequally and unfairly does hit close to home for me. I won't bother you or the rest of this group with my private life experiences but I will say this: the core of my comment is, was, and will remain with the idea that we, as both a society and a nation, apply an unfair and unequal standard toward the young.

The fact, unfortunately, is that extremism is what typically gets attention. I did not need to use sex as a method of example but, that's what get attention. I could have said, for example, that at age 18 a person can legal (in most states) enter into contractual agreements, own property, vote and even join the military to fight (and sometimes die) for our country. But, they cannot buy or possess alcohol.

flourchild-
Or, I could have said that a 16 year old can be trusted with a 1 ton 15 passenger van to travel on highways and interstates at speeds of up to 65-75 mph, sharing a roadway with sometimes as much as 100 people. Yet that same 16 year old cannot vote, legally own property (including the vehicle they are driving in some states) or even see an "R" rated movie without a parent or guardian.

I could go on: curfews, legal status, even one of the founding cornerstones of our country: taxation with representation. I could spend hours explaining to all here how we have separate rules and standards for varying age groups. I won't but, I could. And that's my point. There are so very many contradictions in play with regards to children that, we obviously do not seem to know exactly what to do about them. How can we justify life in prison for a 15 year old and then say that 15 year olds are not capable of understanding voting procedures (as if certain counties in Florida have any understanding either)? How can we tell one person that they are old enough to kill or die for an ideal but not old enough to handle the unpredictable nature of alcohol?

flourchild-

I used the example of sex because, in our society, it is the most glaring example of bias available. In 2004, during Superbowl 38, a woman showed a breast for less than five seconds and that became a controversy. Never mind the fact that this nation was involved in two wars and continued to show the bodies of bombing victims on national news. The fact is we treat sex differently in this country than we do most other issues. So, it is not much of a jump to show how that inconsistency plays out against our already unequal bias toward children.

I'll ignore your implications that I'm some sort of sexual predator, not because I am not offended but because I can only assume you were trying to draw a logical line. To be clear, my comment was aimed at rebuffing that exact claim before it was made. I've posted on enough forums and boards to know that there is always someone willing to make absurd accusations and there's always fools to follow. I thought it best, given the nature of my comments, to place a sort of disclaimer out before things got carried away.

Sorry for the multiple replies but, it seems putting all of that in one post exceeded some sort of spam filter.

When I was 4 years old, two 8 year old boys had trapped my fingers on the other side of a chain link fence. They proceeded to try to cut them off.

It was a middle class neighborhood. As they got older, there was no serious trouble they didn't get into, though coming from "normal" families. I don't doubt they are now either dead or in jail.

These boys, for whatever reason, were fundamentally evil. It just happens that way sometimes. Life in prison is not unreasonable for a teen murderer... because you can guarantee if they are not there, more bad will happen.

do you still have your fingers? how do you blog?

my heart goes out to the family of Elizabeth, but lets wake up and put ourself in their position. If it were your daughter, what would you say? I say they send her to trial as an adult on 1st degree murder charges...and call me to inject the formula, or bring her to florida so we can put her in our chair that we have to reignite a few times to make sure shes dead....

My heart goes out to the family for their loss. It is never easy to go thru something like this. I also lost a sister in NYC that was murdered back in 1989. But in our case, they still till this day found the person that did it. I am happy to know that they have found the person in this case.

And please people, racial comments gets you no where. It does not matter the color of your skin, murder is murder, and they have to pay the price regardless.

I do feel we as parents we need to keep a closer look at our children. Stay involved and help them because they need us. As for our young, please, please, don't leave them unattended, alone to fend for themselves.

I think by know we all know that this world is full of evil.....no care in the world.

If anyone is interested, I've posted (most of) the 15-year-old suspect's "Tweets" below. As you can see, after a couple lighthearted posts, they take a dark turn pretty fast.....

"drinking generic dew and chillin at mah house:)" (Jul 27)

"ahh! we just got kittens! they're adorable

"holy shit, i almost died last night xD" (Aug 4)

"addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction." (Aug 27)

"encompass'd with a thousand dangers; weary, faint, tremblinng with a thousand terrors; i in a fleshly tomb, am buried above grounnd." (Sept 9)

"the world goes by my cage and never sees me." (Sep 13)

"bad decisions make great stories.." (Sep 17)

"this is all i want in life; a reason for all this pain." (Sep 28)

"drivin in a car bitches." (Sep 30)

.....She doesn't "tweet" again until the morning of Elizabeth's murder:

"sittin in classss. bored as f**k. i miss my cell phone :,["
(Oct 21, 6:45 am)

It's pretty disturbing. (I added the ** to "f**k," BTW.) ... OH, and for our resident RACISTS: Based on her photo, the suspect appears to be a slim, fair-skinned, light-haired WHITE girl.

All I can say is who the hell lets their child at 9yrs old walk home alone. Also who lets their child hang out with a teenager. At some level we have to put the blame back onto the parents for both the victim and the suspect. I do believe at 15 you have learned about right and wrong and knows about life and death. So I do believe in giving her a life sentence.

My heart goes out to the little girl who will never know what it is to go to her prom or to wear a cap and gown and graduate from high school. To walk down the isle and say I do and to have children of her own someday.

Rest in Peace Elizabeth

I am sorry for the families loss. I can not imagine it. You can keep your children close but we can not keep them from everything. They need to have friends and a life. You cant keep them in your house and never let them out. These parents did nothing wrong. Elizabeth was in her own neighborhood, with a cell phone. Now our justice system needs to step up to the plate and give the 15 year old the sentence she deserves. But remember if she doesn't get the sentence the public thinks she desereves, the good Lord will see to it she gets the sentence she deserves.

It's not true that Fox didn't cover this story..it's been thoroughly covered and continues to be on Nancy Grace..she's like a dog with a bone on cases involving children.

Previous news articles said Elizabeth would sometimes cut through neighbors' yards. Maybe this 15 year old girl decided she was going to teach Elizabeth a lesson for trespassing and things got out of control. Not defending one bit: Just trying to suss out a motive in what seems a pretty random, if tragic, event.

I CANNOT BEGIN TO PUT INTO WORDS OF HOW I FEEL. MY HEART JUST BREAKS AT THINKING OF IT. AN EVIL, SOCIOPATHIC 15-YR. OLD "GIRL" KILLER TOOK AN INNOCENT LITTLE GIRL'S LIFE!! TEENAGE GIRLS ARE SO MERCILESS. BUT THIS ONE IS CLEARLY MORE THAN EVIL. DID YOU SEE THE MESSAGES THE AMORAL KILLER BITCH PUT ON TWITTER?? AND SHE'S NOT LIVING W/PARENTS(WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED)? CLEARLY THIS DESERVES THE DEATH PENALTY; I DON'T CARE HOW OLD ANYONE IS. YOU KNOW, KILLERS ARE NOT ALL MALE - THIS PROVES IT. THIS AMORAL FOUL-MOUTHED BITCH COMMITTED WHAT IS SAID TO BE A "GRISLY" MURDER. I AM HORRIFIED; THERE ARE NO MORE MORALS OR RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS IN THIS COUNTRY. OH, THAT POOR LITTLE GIRL. SHE IS SO PRETTY, SO INNOCENT. I THINK SHE PLANNED TO KILL ELIZABETH; THAT'S HOW DEPRAVED

Whoever wrote that there is a presumption of innocence is absolutely correct. This type of crime creates many victims. The one thing I wish for this girl is a FAIR trail. It is discussions like this one that whittles the jury pool to nil. It is obvious that there are few objective opinions. Be careful not allow any past sorrows you may have been subjected to allow you to lose perspective and become jaded. If this child is found guilty you will know more than you care to about her. However, if she is found innocent it would certainly be in this individuals best interest to NOT have her name posted everywhere. She is not an adult and should not be treated as such until she has been found guilty of an adult crime.

interesting to read the tweets.thank you cassie. i tried to find it but, i'm not great on the internet. the cousin says she's sick . i'd assume the family and neighbors knew this. what did they know that they did not see? i guess it will all come out soon. patti

I know one thing, if someone murdered my child, my life would be over, and so would the life of the person who murdered him! End of story!

One more thing, I would never, and I mean never let my child go anywhere unattended, not in today's society, not in yesterday's society. I am 56 years old and a man tried to abduct me from my bedroom when I was 3, he climbed up the ladder to my room and couldn't unlock it. Then when I was 4, another man tried to abduct me in front of my house, and again at age 13 while walking home from horseback riding. I know the dangers in this world, I wish other parents would realize them as well. Some parents are too trusting, and it is so sad that it takes something like this for them to realize the immense danger in this world. I would have to say that if it wasn't for my wanna be captors attempts to abduct me, I may have been not so well versed in the dangers in this world, but I was lucky to have lived them and survived and to realize that I needed to protect my children and could never trust them to walk anywhere by themselves. I have heard people tell me over the years that I am paranoid, WTF, paranoid?

xixxi wow! now that you mention these childhood experiences it brings to mind something. i found a postcard in the road. after i picked it up a guy in a car drove up,said he lost it and that that was his sister. i was like 8 . uuuuuuummmmm she was half nude! not your sister, but i didn't know that ...he was a grown up and i believed him. funny i found porn in front of my home too when i was older. maybe he wasn't a murderer but a perv just as well. i used to fish at a lake by my home in the woods all alone for hours. never had an issue. i could NEVER LET MY DAUGHTERS DO THAT. PARANOID YES! but , i dont want to be the statistic in the newspaper. patti

Dex: you're a RACIST and I thought that ridiculous people like you didn't exist anymore, you know what, you make me laugh, you are just a LOSER with no life. R.I.P Elizabeth, and if the 15 yr. old is found guilty, then she is an animal, may justcie be served.

My heart goes out to the families of Elizabeth and Somer and they are in my prayers everyday. I am from the Caribbean and the Island on which I live does have crime but certainly not to this level. As far as I am concerned that 15 year old knew exactly what she was doing - children as young as 10 these days know exactly what they are about (I have two girls now in their 20's and from as young as 9/10 years they were very aware of what they were about) That 15 year old should be tried as an adult and if the death penalty does not exist in Missouri she should get life without any possibility of parole. I am sure if she gets out early she will once again be a danger to society.
Regarding the case in Florida I sincerely hope that the police soon find the person who murdered sweet, innocent and beautiful Somer because with each passing day it will become more difficult in finding the culprit.

First of all my prayers are with the families of Elizabeth and Somer and may the Lord give these families the strength and courage that they need at this time. I cannot imagine what they are going through. I have 2 daughters and to lose one of them would be like losing part of me. I do not know how I would survive a loss of this kind. I am from the Caribbean and we do have crime but certainly not to this level on the Island where I live. This 15 year old knew exactly what she was doing - any child today from the time they are around 8/9 they know exactly what they are about and can be very articulate. My two daughters knew exactly what they were about from the time they were 8 going 9 and they are now in their 20's. I praise God for them daily.
This 15 year old had better be tried as an adult and if the death penalty does not exist in Missouri I sincerely hope she gets life in prison without the possibility of parole. Because, I am sure that should she be released early she will certainly be a danger to society. At 15 years old to murder an innocent child 6 years her junior - this can only be described as positively evil!!

I am a friend of the girl who killed Elizabeth Olten. Before anything, I would like to say that i don't agree with what happened. Of course, what happened was absolutely horrible. No child should ever die, no matter the case; especially murder. But, I must also say in knowing the killer, that she was not as Nunyabidniss described, "trash". She was a very kind girl, and dear to me. She never did me wrong, not any of her friends. She was the girl everyone wanted to be around. She had a brilliant sense of humor and a charming smile. I find it funny, all of you who can so easily judge her. This girl, I believe, has suffered a mental breakdown. Even as a friend, I find this hard to believe. She was, none-the-less, different, but never psychotic. She was also NOT MEXICAN. God, you people are pathetic. What is the REAL crime here? Is it the death of Elizabeth Olten, or is how ugly, and ignorant the human race is? And how we can so easily judge? Some people are born into the wrong families. Those children suffer because of that. We should both pray for the Olten family, and the killer, and her family. We should pray that everyone finds peace. As Christians, we must forgive, NO MATTER THE SIN. I truely belive, she is unstable; obviously very mental. Like i said, some people are born with damanged brains. Yes, they can contain themselves from violence, but do it despite their awareness of it's awfulness. Death, for any misguided child is not the answer. She needed help. I pray God sees her in this way and helps her to find peace. She now, has to live with this for the rest of her life. As she should. But, I hope in doing so, she will learn. But, I also hope, alone, she finds the help that no one ever gave her. I love her dearly. I do not love what happened. But, once again, we must be proper Chrisitans. And i pray for all of you, as well, and your ignorant remarks.

This is mainly to Chris said: Are you a family member to Elizabeth? Or have you ever had a member of your immediate family murdered? If not then I don't believe you could have the same mind frame as you do about your so called friend. Because I would bet if Elizabeth was your daughter, sister, niece or ever dear friend you would not be defending this MONSTER!! She premeditated this crime!! As far as you praying for me you can save that prayer and send mine up for your friend the MURDERER because I am certain she will need it. I do not believe a psyco-path can be given medication and be cured. Prisons are are full of folks just as A.D.B. that are psyco but not mental insane. With the premeditation she new exactly what she was doing. Digging a grave the Friday before the Wednesday you kill someone isn't justifiable in a person that just snapped. This is your MURDERING friends mind frame leading up to what I am sure you consider a laps in judgement.

sittin in classss. bored as f**k. i miss my cell phone :,[
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I just tried to post again and I guess my posts are under review now for some reason.........HUH!!

If this girl had mental problems and everyone knew it why in the hell didn't someone get her some help before now.
I firmly agree with the death penalty, and she should get it.
This girl knew what she was doing and now elizabeth will never have a life.

Alyssa Bustamante was the killers name btw. I don't think murderers should be given protection from the law.

http://twitter.com/alyssadailene was her twitter, she has a myspace too but it's set to private though for some of you that know how to get around that it shouldn't be a problem.

T-Vix: What is wrong with you? First of all, public outrage at a murderer does NOT equal "pandering" to the victim's family. Second, you obviously lack logical thinking skills. You can't compare a juvenile's sexual decisions with violent criminal decisions. Sigh. I need patience to deal with idi*ts like you.

I am shocked that anyone 15 yrs old, 50 yrs old, boy, girl, man, woman could murder any, child especially. But hate has been around since the beginning of time. BUT we should be shocked that our "society" seems to be way behind in decency, compassion, concern for other human beings, or even animals. Violence is the trademark of our society and its disgusting that we can't seem to get out of this pit! I am shocked, but if you read the posts here and other places or hear comments, we shouldn't be. Hate is everywhere. Not just in the heart of this 15 yr old. I am appauled at the racism that is so prevalent. Why would anyone assume that a crime is committed by black or hispanic? I don't care what race she is, she has committed an evil act and apparently drugs are connected. Drugs are far from any excuse. They are the cause of so much crime and we need stricter laws. People should be punished before a crime of this magnitude happens. Chris, I don't believe she had a "mental breakdown." She had an moral breakdown. I don't care what kind of home she come from. That's no excuse. I pray for all involved including her.

What? Is there a group of people going to every comment section to stories about this crime posing the same question about 15 year old having sex vs 15 year olds murdering? What is this some kind of sick NAMBLA group out for their own agenda whilst a baby girl of 9 looses her life? Take your sex with children agenda elsewhere. It is not appropriate for any site, let alone one that deals with crimes where friends and family may read.

Thank you for the perps name. No, she needs no protection. How utterly ridiculous to protect someone that has absolutely no value regarding another's life.

To Chris, I'm sorry for the innocence of a love of a friend who turns out to be something maybe you never saw. Maybe your Christian outlook on things only let you see the good in this girl. I feel badly for you. On the other hand, I feel absolutley nothing for AB other than disgust that she values life so little as to end the life of another for apparently no reason.

Our hearts go out to the family of Elizabeth,words cant express how much you guys are prayed for all over the world abou this sitition.I think the 15yr should be tried as a adult if she cant and kill a innocent child the she desirfes the lif sentence may God Bless you and your family our church is praying for you.

I cannot believe we live in a world where young girls are killing babies. I feel for both families because both have to learn to live through this tragedy. Both were young girls who have a full life a head of them. What could have been going through this 15 year-old’s life that she had to take someone’s life. Were is your conscious?

And for those idiotic racist remarks… I’m Mexican, a mother, a professional and a College Graduate! Killers and people who break the law come in all COLORS! And obviously, with your remarks, so does STUPIDITY!

I have heard many people say it costs more to execute someone than to provide incarceration. That's because, although they have committed the most heinous crimes, we must treat them with humanity (something they have denied their victims). I say, forget about lethal injection, etc. Get a gallos and a rope. That's a low-cost alternative.

My heart goes out to both families.I just dont know if I believe that the age of a teenager is what we need to look at.I feel like at that age they should not get the death penalty but then I think about what if that was my child.I myself would be going to trial for murder.I am not sure just what she should get but I would say life w/o parole.BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!

Chris...
Your post is rediculous. You tell us how kind and wonderful this murderer was and that she had some kind of a breakdown. If someone has a "breakdown", they commit a crime like this spontaneously. They don't sit and plan and premeditate. You obviously don't know the real person as well as you thought you did.

I like turtles.

EYE FOR A EYE, end of story....But we all need to let the poor baby rest in peace !

My bad she's not white.
She's Italian.

Samantha Crane -
Public outrage can be a form of pandering:

pan⋅der: –noun Also, pan⋅der⋅er

2. a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others.

In this case, mass sympathies to an unknown family and outrage against an equally unknown child. The phase, "throwing another log on the fire" comes to mind. Many of the racial and mean spirited comments here are exactly the definition of pandering.

I can't compare what? Go back and reread my posts... go ahead, I'll wait.... What I'm comparing is the inequality of telling children that when it comes to murder, they are (or at least can be considered) adults but, in virtually every other aspect they are children incapable of forming and adhering to independent thoughts and rationale.

If my logic is so flawed, it shouldn't require nearly as much patience to rebut. Seeing an obvious lack of one however, tells me that you did not actually stop to think of any.

jadensmokes-
Agenda? Hmmm, my only agenda here was to create discussion as to why one person is treated differently to another when youth is part of the equation. Now, I think I may have to change that to educate people, not unlike yourself, whom would rather assume and pick pieces of information rather than READ an entire statement.

Either your ability to understand and comprehend written languages is faulty or you simply are too lazy to do so. Please pick one.

Let her rot in prison for the rest of her life if the death penalty isn't possible. Prayers to all of Elizabeth's family....and for the parents of this 15 yr old girl. I can only imagine how they're feeling. As for the cousin.....if it were your little sister or brother who was slaughtered, and some one responded with...."oh...not really bad enough to deserve the death penalty cause she's got mental issues" would not fly with you. I don't care how crazy she is, how many mood swings she had, or how "horrible" of a life she had. There is NO excuse good enough for what she did. Why shouldn't she die? Elizabeth was never given the chance to live, and you seem to think so little of that, that you would dare say her murderer deserves to live when Elizabeth's life was taken from her? Please.

It is true that the brain of a teenager is not as mature as that of an adult, but this needs to be looked at in perspective.
It doesn't mean that teenagers don't have the maturity to know whether murder is ok or not. It has to do with much more subtle types of decision, such as, should I skip school today or not, should I dye my hair green or not.

"Chris"-spare us the sermon. Say, you don't "agree with what happened"? That's might big of you. How about something a bit more compassionate for the victim of what is about as heinous as anything a human being can endure. The fact that this PERP was a friend or yours has absolutely nothing to do with the horrific taking of a child's life in such a painful way. Sorry, but I won't disagree with whoever termed that perp trash-because whatever that ANIMAL was is no more; she's now as low a piece of human trash as can exist. Don't preach to us, for the one who warrants our prayers is Elizabeth-not the human waste that I for one hope is tried as an adult and is meted with the maximum ultimate punishment. Don't preach to us, please-your friend did the unspeakable in an unspeakable fashion; so if you have a problem with any label associated with that pondscum so be it.

Would it have been worse or at least the same crime if Alyssa had slit the throat of a 5 yr old???

T-Vic, Did I address you personally, or call your name in my post? Perhaps it is you that needs to work on your reading comprehension. These same questions that you asked here have been inquired on other commenting sections of stories that relate to this crime. I don't mind you stating your opinion or opining about why it is we treat teens differently in different circumstances. What I do mind is if this is sexually related and if the comments on several (over 5) stories are related as they are all asking the same question with slight differences.

I am totally against adults having sex with children. Why, you ask? Because it's illegal. And because teens are easily influenced as they have not had the life experiences of an adult. I speak in generalities because I can not comment on each individual teen. Some have been through adult situations that they have had to deal with (rape, raising siblings, death of a parent or sibling...as several examples) which may give them a more adult outlook on things. I think that teens are in a transitional stage of their life and some are more adult than others. I think this is the reason we treat them differently.

People with mental disorders are treated differently than others. People with speech impediments are treated differently than others. People that have had strokes are treated differently than others. We treat people with the level of intelligence we expect them to understand. It is a natural way of dealing with our fellow humans. And, I think we need to treat a 15 year old who plans and plots a premeditated murder and then carries it out to the letter as a cold-blooded murderer. I don't think all 15 year olds have the fortitude at that age to carry something like this out (and I don't think all adults have that fortitude either).

Now, I could end this post with calling you lazy or stupid and to pick one, but I will be the adult here. I'll treat you differently as I don't think you are on an even par with my level of understanding of human nature and how we tend to judge others.

What if Alyssa had slit the throat of a 5 yr old girl?
Would that have been the same crime?

Chris,
I hope your friend hangs from a tall oak and finds peace by blowing in the breeze for a bit.
I have a daughter the same age.A 7 year old relative of mine was raped and murdered in a very high-profile case.I firmly believe in no sympathy for the accused.The accused showed none to the victim.
You say you are a Christian and you say it several times.If so then you know the saying'"An eye for an eye."
And here is another one of my own I'll throw in-maybe you should choose better friends.
Rot in hell-you earned it.

Whover "Truth" is above, what a pathetic question to put into print. Nine years old is a CHILD, just as five years old is a CHILD. Are you disturbed enough to even ponder what an absolute horror that any CHILD would go through under those circumstances? Cmon. Put your energies on justice, please.

Could Alyssa kill a 4 yr old girl?
Is that worse?

I agree. A child should not be allowed to be sliced up at any age.
But how about an infant?

Would it be ok if Alyssa slit the throat of her own infant?
Are you all horrified by that idea?
What if she were a newborn baby and Alyssa slit her throat and left her body to rot
in the woods?

If it's ok to cut apart a baby a minute before birth......

a human is a human.

9 weeks, 9 years?

The size or shape of a human does not determine our worth
or whether it's ok for another human to kill us.

Truth, Is there a point to your rambling, incessant, idiotic line of questions? Murder is murder. Doesn't matter age of victim or crim, it's still murder.

some people have to inject their personal views on abortion into every damn topic. it gets old.

I agree.
Murder is murder at any age.
Just because a 5 yr old is... half the size... of Elizabeth,
the crime is not... half as bad... to take the life of someone smaller.
Just because a child is unborn does not give us the right to kill her.

Um yea 'What is truth', it would be the same crime. I don't get what you are getting at. Are you saying that's how Alyssa killed Elizabeth? Slitting her throat? I agree with most of you here. I have a niece that resembles Elizabeth sooooo much and is 9, as well. She has a friend with a sister who is 14. If this 14 year old killed my beloved niece, I would have no problem saying good bye to the rest of my 'free life' and ripping her body apart from limb to limb. Truth be told, I don't give a sht about the 14 yr old, just like I don't care about Alyssa, or whether they had a hard life or anything like that. I just don't care. True, I would feel bad for them and try to comfort them. But if they took it out on my niece, my sweet, beautiful niece who would never even kill a spider because they have a 'family'....I would just make the teen realize how much they don't matter in this world, hoping to crush all of their spirit and hope to make the trial and jail time nothing but miserable, perhaps ending in the worthless teens suicide. Fine by me. Let's comfort out babies. I don't know Alyssa's story, but it sounds like she wasn't wanted. To her parents, whatever the story, see what happens when you throw them out for someone else to keep? If Alyssa had been aborted, Elizabeth would be smiling and thinking of Halloween costumes and decorations right now. Damn you Alyssa. all the way to hell...

So sad all of you anti-abortion protesters are like snarling creatures waiting to lash your tongue out and lick our sins. Abortion is a choice, and I am PRO CHOICE. I believe that for everything, there is a season, for everything there is a reason. How can you sit there and be against abortion 'NO MATTER WHAT' but I bet if your doctor said to you "We must abort the fetus, as it is killing you, and will not survive itself" you would say "OK!" Get something else to preach on. If I went around blowing up places and people for torturing animals and children, which I BADLY would love to do, the way you guys blow up clinics and the people going in them, then what would that make you say, truth? Here is some truth for you: You are full of hate and hypocrisy and evil. If you were against abortion for the right reasons, being that God says every life is the same, then you would keep your mouth shut and pray for us. Not antagonize and instigate. You must have no life and intend to go off on a 'clever tangent' (though it is not at all clever) on something you THINK God wants you to do.

Let's not drag abortion into this. It is a non-issue regarding this case.

8 is the age of reasoning! Whoever this Chris is needs to re-examine her statements. A friend? A sweet girl? What sort of "sweet" girl murders a child? She sounds like a demon to me. Anyone who has seen "Alice, Sweet Alice" knows what evil can exist in the mind of 15-year old girl. It takes a sociopath to be capable of such things, to which there is no cure. This person needs to be sentenced to a mental institution for the criminally insane (in isolation so she doesn't hurt anyone else), with no chance of getting out.

all her tweets have *poof* disappeared! Valentine's been busy.

What is wrong with society these days... wow. People, think about this: Elizabeth was NINE YEARS OLD. she WAS a baby. What Alyssa did was so far beyond wrong, there aren't even words. Anyone that age, or twice her age should be tried as an adult. Doesn't matter. She committed an adult crime- she should suffer. She's sick.. sure. BUT if she was going to cut someone up, she should have taken her own life rather than taking another child's, along with ruining the lives of the whole family, her friends, and so many people I GUARANTEE she never thought that this would effect.

She can't be executed due to Missouri Law not being able to do that to anyone under the age of 16. HOWEVER!!!; she should lose her life to prison. She took an innocent child's life, who never had a chance against what happened to her... therefore.. let her rot in that padded cell. There is NO justification. And i hate to tell you all this-- but they're cutting back on the whole "temporary insanity," "mental breakdown" bullshit.

It was a premeditated kill. She knew what she was doing.. she even called her BACK over to the house that day after she started walking home- she didn't have to go through with it, but she did. She had plenty of time to back out, think twice, but no- she did what she did, and it's UNFORGIVABLE.

Sorry to be harsh.. but I am close to this whole situation and family, and it hurts me along with sooo many other people. No one deserves that. She needs to pay for what she did. Nothing will ever bring her back. But she should pay maximum penalty for what she did- no questions about it.

with any luck the police are reading this site and will lock up truth beside Alyssa. Whoever that person is has a sick mind and needs a life time of psychiatric help

Truth,
This is not an abortion arguement and you are clearly not all there. Go somewhere and play with your imaginary friend.

Donna Bush...
Innocent until proven guilty? Are you kidding me? And if someone leads authorities to a very well concealed body in the woods, isn't that proof enough for you? When all of the proof comes out, I am sure you will be satisfied that this evil witch deserves to rot in jail for the rest of her life.

The REAL Truth is: Abortion is legal in this country, so says the LAW via the Supreme Court of the United States, and the holy rollers need to get the freaking hell over it. Pro-choice is NOT anti-life, and most normal people "get it." This "Truth" person is unable to grasp the "truth" and needs to hush and get over it.

This forum is to discuss the murder of Elizabeth, not abortion.

Truth needs to locate a life.

And for goodness sake, people, stop praying to your imaginary gods for these little girls and their families when they go missing... After all, where were these gods when Elizabeth needed his protection from this murderer? Hmm? Prayer is the biggest waste of time there is. Spend your time with your families protecting your children and maybe they won't turn out murdering other children or walking home alone...

I am sure by now that most of everyone searching for the murderer of Elizabeth Olten, have found the name of this little MONSTER. I have ran across a link to her Youtube videos that I thought everyone may be interested in watching. They give me chills just hearing and seeing her mind frame. I think she is another spoiled brat just as Casey Anthony.

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage#p/u

uniquemommie wow! how did you find that? iwanted to cut and paste it to save for my husband to see,before it dissapears like the twitters. so whats up with these kids and the skull shirts anyway? what ia m understanding is....the 15 yr old called the unknowing 9yr olf back to her house or to talk to 15 yr old? then cut her throat and buried her in a grave she dug a week or so before??? is this the correct information that i have gleaned? bravo to all who know your way around a computer-thank you.patti

Her name is Alyssa Bustamante. She is EVIL. I wish that she would die a slow death full of torture and pain for what she did.

Alyssa Bustamante needs to get the death penalty for what she did. If she gets life in prison though im sure she wont last long. Those people in there dont take kindly to child murderers. Go to hell Alyssa Bustamante.

I just want to cry. Where is the value of life?

How can she take someone's life or even WATCH someone die and be ok with it? She is 6years OLDER than this girl, what on earth was she doing near her?

HOW DID SHE GET SO DE-SENSITIZED? De-sensitized to death, suffering, blood, loss of life, murder?

How can she take someone's CHILD away from them???

I just want to cry.

Alleged murderer had a You Tube page where she created a video of herself and brothers playing with an electric fence. Quite disturbing. Also horrifying to see she listed :killing people: as her hobby. And she wrote this over a year ago!

T-Vic, thank you for bringing the issue up. I do share your views of the inequal treatment of teenager in different situation, and I think sex is a valid example.

Jadensmokes: regarding the "sex with adults" issue. In my country, you are considered an adult with 18. Now kindly imagine the following situation: two high-school sweetheart. They met when they were 15 (she) and 17 (he). Now, they can have sex legally (for this example, try to image they know about sex, contraception and know how to protect themselves from STDs). They can have sex legally, as long as both are under 18. It gets illegal when he becomes 18 - then they have to wait until she is 18 as well, or anybody might call the police on them, making him go to jail and maybe even listed as a sex offender.

Is that ridiculous? I do think so. Esp. if the same people would be treated as adults if they did commit a crime (and having sex doesn't really hurt anybody).

jadensmokes-

No. What you did instead is make a broad statement generalization about my (and apparently others' comments) on this and other forums with reference to (apparently) all of us being homosexual pedophiles (NAMBLA). That, essentially is no different than if I were to say that everyone posting here is a moron (which I'm not). That broad generalization, by definition, would include you, just as yours included me. As for "other" posts, I have not read them. If you would kindly post a link or two, I will promptly educate myself on your view but, as I haven't read any comments of this nature yet, I remain at a significant loss to what you mean.

I have stated (several times) that I am against children having sex with adults. I agree with much of your reasoning as far as why it should not be allowed. And while, yes, teenagers are in transition, we (as nation) bind them with differing laws and rules. As stated in both of my previous comments (see above) 16 year olds can't see rated "R" movies but can drive large multi-passenger vehicles at speed in all weather conditions and with other drivers on the roadway. I'm thinking the driving bit is much more dangerous.

Just because we *do* treat people differently does not actually make such treatment right or fair. It is the *way* in which we treat them differently that justifies a right action. For example, denying a wheelchair bound person simply because they are wheelchair bound is wrong (I believe you'd agree here) but, denying that person because he would be required to climb to the top of a radio tower would (arguably) be an acceptable reason. The problem with both of those instances is that the logic is clearly defined, one is pure discrimination and the other is practical aspects pertaining to the job function. Problem is, we fail to utilize that same kind of logic where it applies to children. For a few examples, please read above.

Eric M-

I cannot comment on your country's laws regarding minors since I do not know which country you live and I have only lived in the United States.

I do know that, in several instances I have witnessed here in the U.S., the parents themselves are often the reporters of any sexual relationship between children. I have also seen some parents turn a blind eye toward their child having sex with his/her boyfriend/girlfriend. Typically the attitude is along the vain of as long as the parent isn't actively aware (regardless of how much they may believe) they stay out of it.

"someone said:". She cannot get the death penalty per Supreme Court as she was under 16 at the time of the crime.

Meant 18 is minimum---mistyped

mom of 2 - I agree. 1 in 25 ordinary Americans is a sociopath. If you want to know more, pick up the book "The Sociopath Next Door"

Her name is Alyssa Bustamante. I don't care if she is a minor. At 15 one knows right from wrong. My 7 yr old does.Why are we protecting her. There have been plenty of other cases with younger people killing and there names were realesed. So there it is for all to see.

Not to mention if you find her youtube page which if asked I will post the link. Her hobbies that she listed are killing people and cutting. If you do some researching on the web there are some details ou there of how this precious little girl was killed and it is sick. So I have no sympathy for Alyssa. I think most of us know by the time we are 15 that cutting a 9yr old throat is wrong(and thats just one thing she did). She should not be tried as a juvenile. Try her as an adult. That what anyone of would want if it were our kid, grandkid, etc.

i sit here and read a lot of blogs about elizabeth,and now,,that i made it to the bottom,,alyssa bustamante.. i think simaler to the way clint eastwood put it on "unforgivin",funny thing about killin a man,,( a child in this case) ya take away everything he has,and everything he ever will have,,anybody ever think about what all this girl,(if she in fact really did the crime,,) and it looks pretty bad for her,,and i kinda think she did,,she took,,,from elizabeth,from the young girls family,,from her own family,from the town they were neighbors in,,the state,and the whole world.. this girl is not even grown,yet she took it on herself to TAKE a life that hasnt even hit double digits. a child of god. it makes me sick to think what this world is coming to.also,,if she gets life without parole,we have to feed her for how ever long she lives,,which being only 15,,that could be a quite long time.i think i heard it costs $100,000.00 per year to feed and house an inmate. if she lives to be 60,,well,,the math speaks for itself.just think how much money it'd save to just put'er down..i'm a christian man,but i can't help to feel,,this murderer doesnt need to be executed,,she needs to be murdered,,just like elizabeth was,,i'm sorry if i offended anybody,,i know a lot of you dont believe in the death sentence.i can only say i greive for the family of both girls, and hope they do not become enimies because one of this one killed one of the other.i pray for all concerned,and hope they can deal with this in a positive way.. god bless all out there,and lets all pray this never happens to any other child out there, ever.

This is DIRECTLY from Alyssa's YouTube page, under her description:

Hobbies:killing people, cutting

The above was written in 2006, I'm sure the authorities will find this. It's so horrific.

RandyOSU....I agree this is horrific, but what I wonder is, if she posted that in 2006 along with the video of the electric fence, I think in 2008, it's quite clear she had mental problems then. Why would her family not have had her get help or had her committed to receive the help she needed. When she says cutting I wonder if that meant she also cut herself? No doubt her lawyer will have this site go poof just like her twitter site.

Not so quick to Judge,
You are correct that it would have been nice to have a less "faulty" father but the truth is Elizabeth had a wonderfull Mother, siblings, Aunts, Uncles and cousins who loved and supported her, She DID have a wonderfull beautiful life a nice home, toys, friends and a great school. Her life was in no way less enjoyable or fulfilled than anyone else's and I wish so many wouldn't Judge that just because of one event by one person of her life that her life was horriable, it simply isn't true.

Robin said:
I can't help but feel that poor Elizabeth had a rotten life with a dad and brother in prison. If dad had been a better parent, she might have had a better life.

Posted 10/26/2009 at 11:47:46 PM

Family member of Elizabeth,
I understand your feelings, your couisin isn't eligible for death penalty. I pray for you to have strength although I am not sure any of us will ever understand what has happened.

cousin of the 15yr old said:
IM THE COUSIN OF THE 15YR OLD GIRL SHE HAS A LOT OF MENTAL ISSUES &HAS BEEN THREW ALOT AS A YOUNG CHILD HER SELF I DO NOT WANT THE DEATH PENALTY 4MY COUSIN I DO THINK SHE DOES NEED 2B N A MENTAL WARD PLACE ON MEDICATION... I AM PRAYING 4THE ELIZBETH FAMILY &THEIR IS NO EXCUSE WHY THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPEND 2HER..

Posted 10/27/2009 at 05:08:12 PM

MY HEART GOES TO FAMILY LOTS OF PRAYER. SAD HER LIFE WAS CUT TO SHORT SHES IN HEAVEN WITH THE LORD

You know, this is only the second time i ever put a comment on any blog. I been around awhile, and all over this great country of ours,,although I sometimes wonder if its all that "wonderful" anymore, I've seen crimes like this on the news numerous times,and not one of them kept my attention like this one has. Maybe it's because it's nearly in MY own neighborhood, I can't say why. But something about this crime, keeps me thinking.. It's in my head and I can't get it out. It might be that there are so many strange aspects about the whole deal,,I'm not sure if anybody else knows,but I heard on the news,that Elizabeths dad was the last person seen with another girl that dissappeared in 2007 I believe. That girls mother is the woman that started the organization called Missouri Missing. This lady was at the olten home during the search. Do i see karma?

Also,,I heard on the news,,they mentioned a ritual killing,,but only in a few words, like they didnt want it to LOOK like that's maybe what it was...ALSO..elizabeth was 5' tall,which is quite tall for 9 years old. How could another girl,,(albeit she was 6 years older), get a girl of this size, into the woods, several if not hundreds of yards from either house, by herself,do whatever she did to her,and kill her, without even one person seeing them go across a field? without some help? perhaps she was a member of a gang,or a cult,or just a "club", or she wanted to join such. Perhaps Elizabeth wanted to join her "club". Perhaps she coaxed Elizabeth to the woods, under cover of night, which at 6;30 pm,it would be getting atleast a little dark this time of year. Whatever the case is, she obviously crafted quite a smart plan to get Elizabeth to them woods without being noticed,,or if so, not letting it look like an abduction. Sounds pretty "adult" to me.

ALSO. I failed in my last blog to mention one thing,,I said some things about what alyssa TOOK,,I didnt however, mention what she DIDN'T take. there is only 1 thing this killer did not take,,,forgiveness from God.

We may ask ourselves,, how can he forgive this? Well my brothers and sisters in God,,he forgives all, as the bible tells us,,but can we? I think not,,But then, I think back to the bracelets people wear that say,WWJD,, WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?, I'm sure you all agree with me when I say,,we know,but we just cant be quite like him, no matter how hard we try. And for this part of my comments, I ask YOU to forgive me, for I know someone will definately take some offence to the thaught pattern in this last parragraph.

Please forgive me if I sound like a kooky old man. I meant no offence to anybody,nor did I sugjest anybody forgive this girl. I do ask however, that you all pray for both families,as I'm sure you do.

I would also like to remind you of the child this is probably going to effect the most in this mess. Alyssas little sister. Elizabeths friend. This girl is going to have to go to the same school with the same faces looking at her,wanderin when they're going to say,,either to her face,or behind her back," her sister killed elizabeth olten" How is this little girl to cope with this? I cannot tell you because I cannot even tell you how I would cope if I was her, or even if I could.

I would also like to say one thing to the family of both girls involved. People,cry for what happened to this little girl,as the whole world crys with you. Grieve for your loss, because although her life here is over,she's in a much better place than any of us left behind. And remember, Elizabeths tears are over. Yours are just beginning.I hope God is with you every step in every day. I pray for you like so many others do, and I hope all goes well for you in the future. God bless each and every one of you.

lawyer,,,the law in the country might be 18,,,but in missouri,,it is 16.atleast thats what they said on the news.

MY HEART GOES TO FAMILY LOTS OF PRAYER. SAD HER LIFE WAS CUT TO SHORT SHES IN HEAVEN WITH THE LORD

the craigslist website was removed?????????????? what was the name of the wild blonde haired guys newspaper? anyone catch that? thanks patti

Mark, very well put, my sentiments exactly.
My heart goes out to both families, I cannot imagine being
on either side of that fence.

Well, as far as I undertand it, there is a hell and there will be a population in hell when this world is over. I hope Alyssa is one of those burning in hell.

Cassie,
FYI
The name Bustamante is not Italian...it is of Spanish origin.

Her father's name is Ceasar Bustamante. Once again, of hispanic origin.

BTW Cassie...
Since when is Italian not white??? Italians are caucasions. They don't get special treatment in hiring like hispanics do...THEY ARE CONSIDERED WHITE. They are not a minority...THEY ARE CONSIDERED WHITE. Happy to clear that up for you.

Well said, Lana!!

Mark said: "I'm not sure if anybody else knows,but I heard on the news,that Elizabeths dad was the last person seen with another girl that dissappeared in 2007 I believe. That girls mother is the woman that started the organization called Missouri Missing. This lady was at the olten home during the search. Do i see karma?"

Nope. Karma doesn't work that way. Elizabeth was an innocent child who had nothing to do with that young woman's disappearance.

I've been reading all comments concerning the murder of
elizabeth for days now. It is a case that has bothered me for days and I have lost considerable sleep over this horrible ordeal. I do not know the family of Elizabeth or
Allysa nor live in there surrounding area. I have read the assumptions of others as to why this was done to this little 9yr.old. Now I will tell you what my assumption is. Alyssa is possibly a sociopath, which makes her totally capable of murdering Elizabeth with no reason. She would need no help doing it, she is quite capable of planning,plotting and following thru with no assitance at all. One of the most common traits of a sociopath is "charm" which gives her the ability to manipulate others. She was able to lure Elizabeth because she trusted Alyssa. Elizabeth was totally unaware of the danger. I believe Alyssa did this on her own. Sociopaths feel no guilt or remorse for their actions. They do not care and they are repeat offenders. They cannot be cured, there is no cure. Research has not even been able to come up with the true cause of a sociopath. It should not be blamed on family or her upbringing. Sociopaths are born that way and remain that way til the day they die. They can be treated with medications but it does not cure them. Their thought patterns are totally different from a normal person. Their brain has no filter, but they are usually very intelligent and "appear" to be normal and quite charming. The sad thing is that no one, family or close friends, will know this til usually a serious crime is committed. Sociopaths are experts at hiding their true feelings. Thank God Alyysa got caught at 15yrs.old! If not there would be more murders, she would do it again and again. My deep condolences to both families involved.

Ve;ouria..I agree..Elizabeth was an innocent child,but if you look at it from her dads perspective,,,(i'm not by any means trying to uphold any rights, rong doings, religions, or especialy murder,) but if I were her dad,,I believe I'd much rather be the one murdered than have my daughter murdered. Who can say how this man feels about this happening to his child. I can't because i have never lost a child. but just to think of it makes me wonder. What a terrable thing to lose. nothing I can think of in this world would be a worse price to payu for "anything" I could have done in my own life could even compair with what has happened here.

I was just wondering what other peole thaught, and I thank you for your opinion.

T-vix i tried to find you some links yesterday and looked for several hours. i didn't bookmark any of the stories when i read them. these comments were in the comment sections of those stories. it is what made me ask my questions initially. i'm sorry i can offer no proof for you at this time.

as to the question of different laws for different ages and how they contradict each other... perhaps if a child would like to have sex or go so far as to kill someone, then they should emancipate themselves from their parents. if you are "mature" enough to make the decision to have sex, and you are prepared to face consequences from the same, i.e., pregnancy, std's, emotional trauma, then by all means emancipate yourself and do it like bunnies.

but!, as long as you are relying on an adult for the roof over your head, clothes on your back, food in your mouth, then you are a dependent child and should abide by the rules they mete. this may or may not include sex before 18, depends on the parents. as for driving a two ton SUV at high speeds with little to no experience, this too is the responsibility of a parent. they must feel their child is responsible enough to handle it and insure for accidents, and live with the consequences of their decision to let the child drive.

If I were Alyssa's parent i would emancipate her in 2 seconds in light of this terrible crime. she's adult enough to do it, she's adult enough to take the responsibility for her actions and the subsequent punishment. i don't and can't blame alyssa's parents for these actions. certainly she carried this out unbeknownst to them.

i'll keep looking for those links as time allows. there are a ton of comments on every story you read about this. again, i spent at least 3 hours looking, so can't expect you to find them either. if i come across them, i'll provide you links.

Blaire
So sad all of you anti-abortion protesters are like snarling creatures waiting to lash your tongue out and lick our sins. Abortion is a choice, and I am PRO CHOICE. I believe that for everything, there is a season, for everything there is a reason. How can you sit there and be against abortion 'NO MATTER WHAT' but I bet if your doctor said to you "We must abort the fetus, as it is killing you, and will not survive itself" you would say "OK!"
I am pro life and in the situation you described I chose to attempt to give my child life whether or not mine was at stake. I wanted to give him that chance, even though they said he would die. Guess what? I'm glad I didnt listen to those doctors because I had faith and delivered a healty 8lb 4oz baby boy who is my world. And to think, the way you see all of us against abortion, I would have killed my beautiful gift from God.
Thats all i have to say on that.
May Elizabeth rest in peace and hopefully her family will find peace as well.

I posted a note 10 hours ago (give or take) with the thaught that it "might" raise some controversy. Well, it didnt. In the thaught that,,well,its been 10 hours since my last comment,,and 1 hour since the last one,,It just looks to me that the remembnrance of Elizabeth olten has somehow deminished to a certain extent.. Why people? Do we forget so soon that a child has been murdered? Do we just go on with our lives as if nothing ever happened? I SAY NO!!! We can't let this die as Elizabeth did. we must KEEP this in our minds from now on. If we stop talkin about it now, things will all go back to normalcy. I for one don't want myself, or anybody else to forget this heiness crime. I for one want it imbedded in ALL our minds and hearts. I cant stop thinking about this poor little girl getting brutally murdered for 1 minute. Please don't ask me why, because i cannot answer that question. It's as if it's imbedded in my mind, and i cannot get it out..For some (strange as it may sound,) reason,i just cannot let it die..It won't let me rest.

As for getting a response, here's one that I'm sure will raise a fuss.
According to "Sylvia Brown" we all make plans for our lives before we are even born..If this is true, what can we imagin Elizabeth was thinking when she planned her life before she was born? And (according to Sylvia,) she planned it with accordance with Alyssa..Aint that a twist. People, please dont get me wrong.. I do not condone what Alyssa did,nor do I think Elizabeth planned what happened to herself. But then again,,I do not really know what even I planned for myself,if in fact Sylvia is right.

My point of view? If Sylvia is right,,I can only imagin how terrable my life will end..To be totally honost, the dying don't bother me at all, (because I have been ready for years,) It' how.

jadensmokes-

As far as parents' rules regarding children that would be a yes and no. True, a parent has the final say on whether or not a 16 year old can take the family car for a spin but, every state that I've ever lived in (15 of them to be exact) requires a state operators license which cannot be issued (unconditionally) until the age of 16. So, even if John and Jane Doe want to let little Timmy borrow the SUV to cruise with his friends, by law he must be 16 and possess a state driver's license. Much of my examples dealt with laws regarding various ages rather than parenting. As parenting differs so greatly from one set of parents to another, aside from core rules, there's little point in comparing why a child is treated differently by age by the parents themselves.

Emancipation is all well and good but, even that requires a minimum specific age that varies by state. In the 80's in Texas, for example, the earliest a minor could be emancipated was 17. Since 18 was the legal age of adulthood, it really didn't make much since to emancipate one's self. Not to mention that still would not address inconsistencies in the laws prior to the age of 17.

what did allyssa do with her bloody clothing ? was she bloody? did she just get up the next day and have cheerios? i thought she was homeless, beaten bad life. looked like she lived on a horse farm and had a pool, and a big house. what does anyone know about the whole situation? did they find the killer of the 7 yr old twin girl?

I also am a mother of a 9 year old... and am wondering why no one has a problem with this young girl walking home by herself. This is the 2nd case this month of a young girl walking home without adult supervision (somer thompson was only 7 and abducted while walking home from school with siblings). a beautiful child left in a dumpster. I do believe the teen should receive the maximum penalty (especially if this was planned) but i also wish parents would show some responsibility and watch over their children. My daughters (7 and 9) do not walk anywhere alone. They are my responsibility. Too many parents are lax and then say "why me?" If she was picked up as she should have been.. she would be here today. I will grieve for the 9 year old. But not for the parents... or any parents who let young children fend for themselves. It is a sad sad world we live in.

Annie: it is a sad world we live in I agree but you can't keep a thumbs down on your kids forever, and walking home from school with other kids is not a crime or a misjudgement of the parent. There are lots of parents that have to work to keep food on the table. Obviously you are fortunate enough to have the finances to allow you to be with your kids 24/7. Do you not ever allow your kids to go to a friends place? Do they have older siblings? Have you ever in your wildest dreams thought that it was possible for your child to be murdered by one of them? I'm quite sure Elizabeths parents didn't think that.
According to what I have read Alyssa had this planned. Was it planned against Elizabeth Olsen only or was it just a plan to commit a murder? Did Elizabeth innocently do something that upset the deranged mind of the killer? Who knows, and will we ever understand what drives a human being to kill another no matter what the age of the offender. It sure won't happen in my lifetime.

I think the responsibility for this tragedy should be shared among the irresponsible adults in both the families.
First, on the Olten side the parents should have taken better care of their daughter. You simply do not let a 9-year old walk by herself on the streets when it's dark. You should not leave children under the age of 14-15 walk unsupervised at any time of the day, period.
On the murderer's family the parents have failed to raise a mentally-sound person. From what has been exposed the 15-year old has psychiatric problems, for which medications, treatments, counseling, and clinics or rehabilitation places exist. If the teenager would be mentally healthy or under medications or treatment that would make her a safe element in society, this would have not happened.
Of course all of the above only apply if Elizabeth was purposely killed by the teenager. As of now we don't know the details. There could be many possibilities, including that Elizabeth assaulted the teenager and she defended herself with a tragic end. It could also be possible that Elizabeth provoked the teenager. It could also be that the two girls were fighting and things ended this way.
These two families had a lot of problems with the law before the murder of Elizabeth Olten. Her father and brother are criminals who have been jailed for possessing narcotics at large scales and first and second degree burglary. They are serving 4 and 7 years respectively in addition to prior convictions.
The alleged murderer's father is also imprisoned. He serves a 10 year sentence for assault, and had already spent years in jail in the past.
I believe there is a huge lack of education in both families. The parents are absolutely unfit to raise a child; they are unfit to raise a dog. Unfortunately, the children didn't chose their parents. The teenager should not be treated as an adult. She needs to be educated appropriately under "normal conditions" and get treatment. She didn't know the consequences of her actions. She probably thought that pain, violence and jail are normal aspects of life, because she has seen it happening constantly in her surroundings. Elizabeth's mother should get her other children, if any, taken away from her, for being negligent and endangering the children's life, is just the way it is. The teenager's parents should also loose the custody of their children, for negligence, and for endangerment to society.

Mark said: "As for getting a response, here's one that I'm sure will raise a fuss.
According to "Sylvia Brown" we all make plans for our lives before we are even born..If this is true, what can we imagin Elizabeth was thinking when she planned her life before she was born? And (according to Sylvia,) she planned it with accordance with Alyssa..Aint that a twist. People, please dont get me wrong.. I do not condone what Alyssa did,nor do I think Elizabeth planned what happened to herself. But then again,,I do not really know what even I planned for myself,if in fact Sylvia is right."

Mark, might I respectfully suggest that you would live a much happier, fuller life by dismissing pretty much anything Sylvia Browne has to say? The woman is a new-age con artist with a bad dye job.

I am the mother of a great 16 year old who has like minded friends. Last evening we talked about Elizabeth's senseless murder and I asked my son and his friends if they ever have encountered someone who was this dark in their thinking amongst their High School. Of couse I got the lecture from them regarding the "Emo" kids and "goth" kids but while outwardly those kids dressed a bit unusual, none that they knew had a dark twisted desire to see what it was like to kill someone.....except for 1. This kid still gives the boys the creeps and they debated whether he would end up in the news as a murder suspect too. The fact is there are a small percentage of indiduals that fit into a sociopath profile... and folks, like it or not some are just born that way and some(very rare) are made that way by their environment. After viewing AB's twitter & comments and Video, she just fits as a natural born sociopath. They know Right from Wrong, and that killing is bad, They just don't care! The consenus last night from 3 sixteen year old boys were that they felt she should be tried as an adult and face Life in Prison with no Parole. Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated, it is what it is...

Has the mid-west come unglued? First the Chris Coleman story, then the Chicago high school beating story, now this.

I am going to bet that when all is said and done we will find out that the 15-year-old has a drug addled parent or two who abused her in some fashion. It is unfortunate that the 15-year-old was not aborted. She would not have had to suffer and then inflict even greater suffering on others.

If someone can support killing the 15-year-old now for not having been able to rise above the awful circumstances someone claiming to be her cousin has outlined, why oppose aborting a child who will be born into abuse of all kinds and then spread that horror to others who are innocent?

There is a totally disturbing youtube video done by a young woman from Missouri who shares the name of the juvenile who apparently dug a grave a week ahead of time, and then murdered Elizabeth Olten.

In it, the young woman gets two younger brothers to touch an electrified fence. I am guessing that Elizabeth Olten was electrocuted and then buried as it appears that AB in the run up to this murder did research and preparation.

I hope she stays in prison for life. While it is possible she could change, it is unlikely, and there is no guarantee it would be for the better.

If the young woman featured at the youtube video is not the accused, then this country is in a bad way because we have a huge number of very disturbed young women. After seeing this video, I stand by my earlier analysis: The world would be a better place if this young woman had never been born.

I also wonder at Cole County Child Protective Services as the young woman featured in the video is clearly putting her brothers in danger. She should have been arrested for what she did there, and her parents should have been charged and convicted of neglect.

hopefully someone in the jail finds out who she is what shw did and do something to her our courts are not doing anything about crimes like this.this world is way out of control hope she gets the chair.but she wont get nothing but probation.and we the people let this happen.u get more time for a joint than u get 4 murder.

The adolescent girl should not be tried as an adult!! This case is about how fit/unfit parents are to raise and care for their children. There should be a strong number of shrinks, social workers, and others to support and educate the families in addition to find the appropriate way of curing the 15-year old girl and perhaps reinsert her into society someday.
Has the Virginia Tech girl appeared?

Twinkie and Dex are racist pigs. There is no racial issue in this case. But they bring up a racial issue, hoping Elizabeth's killer was Hispanic. If so, then, and only then, do they care what happened to Elizabeth. Then they can exploit her case to spread their hatred around.

White killer? Oooopps. We can't use this case to spread our hatred, so let's just forget it. Sorry Elizabeth, these two racist turds don't care about you. They have other priorities, dear.

And Chris: I admire your Christian love. But did you know that psychopaths can be very charming? They have no conscensious. These are NOT the nerdish ADHD and Learning Disabled types who bumble into social situations, because they can't read the social cues. Psychopaths read the social cues perfectly, and have very good social skills. That's how they manipulate and lure people. They are also very good at acting. They can pretend to be kind and caring, and get you to believe it. But they have no conscensious and could kill you as easliy as look at you.
Elizabeth found out how kind and caring Alyssa really wasn't. For you, it is a good thing that Alyssa is going to prison, because if she wasn't, she would probably betray you some day. You would get very disillusioned.

I'm not quite sure I can agree that Elizabeth's mother is to blame at all here. It wasn't yet dark, and the girl was walking 1,000 feet home from what was supposed to be a friends house. Please allow her mother to grieve the death of this beautiful girl without the extra added guilt you're thrusting upon her!

Everyone keeps saying "parents", but E lived with only her mother as her father and brother are incarcerated in jail. Alyssa lives with her grandparents, because her father is in jail. Not sure about her mother. But, we can hardly blame a father in jail for not keeping better tabs on his kid!

You can't scream try her as an adult, and hold the parents accountable too. Here it is in a nutshell, you have to have a license to drive, but any ass hole can procreate without knowlege of how to raise a kid and love and protect a child. It's just how our society operates.

After seeing the you tube videos where she always involves her little brothers, I wonder if she did so this time.

Valouria,,I appolagize my comment about Sylvia Brown,I didnt mean to offend you in any way,,how ever,I do need to point out to you,I said (IF) Sylvia is right,I didnt in any way say I believed anything she said. By the way, my life is pretty full,pretty good,pretty satisfied.. I'm by no means rich,but then again,i simply don
t need to be rich to be happy.

And Justice,I like your comment,It seem true that a person gets more time for a joint than murder,I think it might be because there are many more (excuses) to murder somebody than there are for getting high,,( which I also think is much more enjoyable).

As for blaming the parents,I cannot agree with that. A parent can only go so far in watching their kids, at any age. from what I hear also, Elizabeth was walking home from a friends house, a little more than 1000 yards. How in this green world could her mother ever imagined that this girl could do such a horrible thing to her daughter. This community came out in groves to look for her, I'm sure even Alyssa'a folks were there. There were so many people the search party was turning them away. This is a close friend type neighborhood were talking about,small town,not a " hood".. Now,,just to clearify myself,,I don't want this to look like i'm (racist) about anybody from a big city,or anybody of any other race,religion,color,or belief. But if anybody is offended by my statements,or pissed at me for anything I said,,well,First off, I cant control your opinions anymore than you can control mine, and second,I don't give a rats ass, because you are a nerrowminded dumb-ass to take offence about something that had no offencable content in the first place,,have a good day.

Patti. Good question.I was also woindering,didn't her folks think it strange that she can home dirty,if not very bloody,,seems to me a person would get pretty bloody killing another with a knife. I also wonder,how long would it take to carry out a crime like this. Certainly it took some time,,she had to get elizabeth to where ever it was she did her horrible crime,if it was not where they found Elizabeth,,which I heard it was not,or atleast they're sceptical as to where she was actually killed. If in fact the mother of Elizabeth called 911 within 15-20 minutes after she was to be home,there is little window in which Alyssa had to commit such a crime as this,and like you asked,where are her clothes? Did she carry the knife with her? Or did she have it stashed at the scene? There are a million questions we'll probably never get the answers to..
All we can do is know that Elizabeth is happy now,she hates no one,and she will never ever go through this again. God bless her soul, and keep her in the much better place she is now.

Alyssa. Bustemante is the suspect in custody

Elizabeth left the home of AB at approximately 6-6:15pm. EO's mother called 911 at 7:00pm. Authorities arrived at approximately 7:15pm and the search began at 7:30pm. 1hr.30min time span for AB to carry out a premeditated murder. Strangulation of a child only takes 7-14 seconds to render them unconscious, takes only seconds to slit an unconscious pesons throat. Inless than 5 minutes EO was dead. Since the grave was pre-dug it would not take long for AB to bury her and change her clothes and dispose of them possibly in the pre-dug grave. I'm sure AB had plenty of time to do what she did. My assumption is that AB did this in approximately 30minutes and was back at her home like nothing had happened. AB is a very sick minded person, more than likely a sociopath. I feel sad for both families involved. One family has to deal with the loss of their young daughter and the other family has to deal with having a daughter that is a murderer at the age of 15yrs old. AB should be charged as an adult for the crime she committed. At 15yrs of age you are not considered a child, but a young adult.

Does anyone posting no what a sociopath is? My sister has worked in this field for years...these people are born with this disposition and quite frankly..will be this way their whole life. Not saying that it makes it right, but sad to think about it. Perfect movie to watch with a child sociopath "The Good Son".... I never really understood, but when you have a sister that deals with these people everyday for 20 years as a therapist..you learn to understand a little more....sad, sad, sad. and the loss of this beautiful child..

Onewhocares, good answer,however, that seems to be a more or less "humane" way of murdering somebody. I would think a sociopath, or psycopath,(which ever way it's spelled,and quite frankly I don't realy care),would want the victom to "hurt"and "screem" what ever the reason, to get their "kicks" dare I say? If a psycopath or even any estranged person was going to kill someone,they wouldn't worry about making it humane. however, If you are right,and she did it in that time frame,she would be at the very least extremely excited,or nervous,and would have an extreme case of the jitters at the very least. If she did this in that amount of time,she not only had to have it planned,,but she did a very good job of planning it,carrying it out,and made a good job of "not letting her folks notice anything was wrong" she must be a genious in that aspect. I would think that definately makes her "grown up". And I agree, she should be tried as an adult, and punished as such.

And Liz. thank you for the explination about sociopaths. is it sociopath? or psycopath,,I'm just curious on which it is. Ive heard both.

Has anyone wondered about Elizabeth's friend? Did she have anything to do with this? Did she invite Elizabeth to the home knowing that her older sister planned to hurt Eliz?
Is this 9 yr old back in school? What is her life like now?
I still say if Eliz. father had been at home instead of in prison, her life might have been different, maybe she wouldn't have been so naive, maybe he would have been able to protect her with a fatherly influence.
Murder like this is usually jealousy, what did the 15 yr old feel jealous of? Who won the cookie sales that the two 9 yr olds were involved with in the week before? How did the body get to the woods? Did the 15 yr old have help?

Robin. All good questions,,I wondered what the friend of elizabeth is going through right now myself. If she didnt have anything to do with this,(and myself, I believe she did not) she has to look kids in the eyes at school every day wondering what they are thinking,or saying behind her back. I don't know about any cookie sales the week prior to this crime, but I honostly don't think that has anything to do with this. I think like everybody else seems to think,the girl is a psycopath/sociopath, which ever it is,and did this on her own,or possibly with help.. There's millions of questions that we will probably never get answers to. However. I have to disagree with you about the "dad" thing. In my opinion,if a kid grows up in a household with a parent that lives the lifestyle elizabeths dad does, or atleast did, will usualy be more "intune with life" lets say,,Like the other girl obviously is,,which by the way,her dad is also in prison I have heard.Also. Both girls lived in a nice neighborhood,with nice houses,and neighbors. They were both known in the small town they lived in,so I don't really think the mother, or grandmopther of either girl had any incling of what was going to happen,nor did the girl/friend of elizabeth..As for gettin the body in the woods,I think she loured her there,and did her dirtywork where she left her in the ditch she had dug a week in advance.

Eliz.'s dad not being around may be my own problem as my dad wasn't around and I was lured and raped at age 12.
Back to Eliz.
My theory THEORY is based on that the 15 yr old is normal.
She was beyond angry at Eliz for something that happened that upset her baby sister (Eliz, 9 yr old friend). I saw a photo of Eliz where it appeared she's won some sort of award at school, SOMETHING happened to put Eliz in the limelight.
That hurt the 9 yr old and pissed off the older sister/\that's what I wonder, as a grandmom to 6 kids, I know that jeolousy can run deep.

I just found a website called marinadedaves
he copied some of alyssas tweets and it says there that her boyfriend helped her bury Elizabeth! Anyone know about this?

IF in fact what is written in marinadedaves is correct she committed the murder for fun to see if she could get away with it? WOW!!!! Talk about a sick individual. This whole thing is getting nastier as time goes on. If it is true she did it for fun then they should give her the death penalty (I know she's under the legal age for that) and just before they do it they should tell her they are just doing it for fun. What scares me more than anything is she will get relatively no punishment with an insanity plea.

jks said:
Not to mention if you find her youtube page which if asked I will post the link.

Do you have the link to this?

Robin, Elizabeth's friend was the SIX year-old half-sister of AB (the perp). Not sure what you're talking about with the school award since they obviously weren't in the same class. As to the motive, it's rumored that AB had been planning the murder for some time, had dug a grave in advance, and had spoken of wanting to kill someone just to know what it felt like.

this might be it

http://www.youtube.com/user/OkamiKage

The difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is minimal and is dependent on the discipline that identifies them. For example, a sociopath has no seeming conscience or accountability to societal norms, rendering himself or herself a dangerous individual to the rest of us. The use of the term psychopath, conjures up a vision of a "crazy" person whose reasoning abilities are more impaired, such as a mentally ill person... a person with schizophrenia for example. But this is not the case. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be very cunning, normal seeming, manipulative and decisive in their crimes- lacking a sense of "normal" guilt. The use of the term sociopath, is probably more politically correct right now because it does not lend the stigma of "psycho" to the analysis of the cause of a person's actions. Sociology, anthropology and psychology all address the same behaviors with differing theoretical constructs so you get different terminologies for similar behaviors. You can lump both terms under deviant behaviors.

Ky....AB's youtube account has been suspended so the addy I gave you won't work anymore

possible myspace profile with pic?
http://www.myspace.com/ramen_noodles_w00t

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/

Here's the link where I read that her boyfriend helped her bury Elizabeth

Sick or not, she and whomever helped her needs to be put to death....an eye for an eye, and I though the friend she visited was 9, not 6? That doesn't matter either, a little life is gone and it's too sad to even think about anymore. I'll hope the trial gives some justice and doesn't turn into another fiasco of bleeding hearts begging for mercy

Just a note on bleeding hearts who want to cry about AB and her hard life
MANY people had a hard life, I was ghetto raised, one parent, raped at 12, bi-polar, etc, etc, etc, and I'm near 60 and have never hurt anyone or ever even thought about it.
No excuses

People, let us wait to know the details of how Elizabeth was murdered, and buried. We do not know what really happened. Perhaps there was an argument, perhaps Elizabeth assaulted the teenager, perhaps there was a third person or more people involved. Let us see the details in the media and then judge.
I do not support a 15-year old with mental problems to be judged as an adult. It is the parents fault for negligence and not being able to raise children healthy an in a safe environment 24/7, on both families.

http://www.myspace.com/totallyavalleygirl

the site I just posted is a friend of AB's. I found the poem written to her interesting

to the poster from HRM

my heart bleeds (gag)

young people today don't know what real life is all about

HRM

Thanks for that. Just wow!

I was able to see her youtube account before it was suspended so thank you to the people that posted the link so quickly.

Robin..every generation has their own trials and tribulations and we can't make any one less important than the other. I in no way condone what she did, in fact I believe in the death penalty no mater what age the offender is. I simply said I found the poem interesting. It sounded to me like she had discussed the issue with her friends as the poem keeps quoting there is nothing left to gain. It was just an observation on my part that made me wonder.

HRM.,I just checked out the "myspace" site you posted,but I, not being her friend,nor do I think I want to be,looking at her picture,and the statement below, I couldnt find the poem. If you could, could you send it to me,either here or at my e-mail? I'll give it to you,if you prefer. Thank you.

Mark...I'm sorry but I cannot get in anymore either. She must have set it to private last night.

HRM,,Thanks for trying,,Dang my luck anyway..

I was just wondering,,Has anybody set up a fund in Elizabeths name? Or is there a webtise dedicated to her memory? that people can send either momey to,for the help of the family, or just notes of their thaughts and hopefully incouragements, and condolances?

That was s'posed to be money,,Sorry folks,,I can't type very well.

Mark I'm sorry that you did not get to view it. That little lady has alot of talent when it comes to writing. Unfortunately I found her mood to be noted as depressed most of the time. She also stated about her depression which is really scary for someone so young. She has also changed her picture. The previous one showed her in deep thought and it gave you a better insight into the lady sitting there. I don't think Alyssa told them what she had done but I feel she had posted that she was at the end and there was no gain to be made in her life. If I'm correct it's sad somebody didn't catch it before she took the steps she took. Just my opinion though

HRM..Sounds like you got a good head for opinions..I agree 100%. It realy is sad it went as far as it did. makes me wonder how many other kids out there think on the same lines.

you can offer your condolences at millardfamilychapels.com also as of now there are no other suspects or "person of interest" in this case.

teenagers love depression, it's "cool", they aren't really depressed, they just write about it, gee don't you guys remember the hippie days?

AB is just using it now as an excuse
She's not depressed, or at least she wasn't until she went to jail, she killed for fun, remember....fun...you don't have fun when you're depressed

Robin,,I dont think the "hippies" worried much about "depression" as much as "feelin fine" or "flower power" or "gettin small". Maybe if this young lady thot more in thir lines elizabeth would still be with her family. Today it seems to be more in the line of who can do the bloodiest kill, or who can look ugliest to authority. Or just simply who can be the nastiest, ugliest, meanest person in the "gang".

And thank you Lady, for the website.

Chris,I liked what you said about forgiving people.What you said is true.There will be times in your own life where this will be very hard to hold on to,because someone will hurt you sometime in your life.With Gods help you can hold on.Don't listen to what people say against you in your faith.Be strong

Do we forget that it is not up to us to forgive?

It is up to us to meter justice. It is up to God to issue eternity. There is no need to forgive in a case such as this, AB did nothing to us, the only one who needs to forgive is gone. It is up to us to see to it that AB never harms another, it is up to us to protect the rest of the living innocent by keeping her in jail or death penalty, either one, forgiveness is not an issue except to make ourselves feel good

Think about forgiveness
When Christ hung on the cross He said "Father, forgive them,..."
Why didn't He say, "I forgive them?"

Because only GOD, the Father, has the power to forgive.

We as mortals like to feel good about ourselves so we "forgive", but we really can't

This is so sad, I just cant figure out what is going on with these young kids. The cousin is saying this girl has problems, was she on medication? Were her parents seeing to it that she was getting the medical attention she obviously needed? I have a 13 year old daughter, and yes I agree girls can be very cruel, but no way would I allow my daughter to go on with these thoughts and feelings without getting some kind of help for her. I lost a child at the age of four and that is the worst thing in the world to go through. My heart goes out to both families, for they have both lost their children.

Sociopaths go out of their way to hurt people to feel power. They are extremely territorial. This girl could have killed Elizabeth for simply playing with "her" sister or being at "her" house. She needs to imprisoned or institutionalized for life.

Mark....can you give me you email addy???

"addiction takes over your whole life. it's not something easily overcome, therefor i embrace me addiction." (Aug 27)

*this is one of the tweets the accused posted.

this statement was the start of an odd month for this girl. what this girl is saying is that she is addicted. over the next month, u can see through her tweets that she was in a complete different mind state, either caused by drugs (which she is referring to addiction) or she has a sever case of multipersonalities. the tweets she made while in school or from the car, she seems like any other 15 yr old. through sept, she had alot more thought in her words. then when i saw this post --

"encompass'd with a thousand dangers; weary, faint, tremblinng with a thousand terrors; i in a fleshly tomb, am buried above grounnd." (Sept 9)

i clearly see she is thinking about something along the lines of murder. re read it a few times... doesnt that sound like exactly what she did?
i believe so. now this plays into parents/guardians keeping track of their childrens social sites, i personally think that is up to parent; ANYWAYS, my point is that if anyone with any kind of love for the accused would have saw that and may have did or said that ONE thing to change that girls mind.
i pray for the victims family and loved ones. i believe in "An Eye For An Eye". its very unfortunate that a 15 yr old could have committed such a crime. BUT i DO remember high school and know first hand how cruel girls can be. let me make myself clear on this issue; there is no reason that a child was killed by a child. lets all remember too, we do not know all of the fact in this case yet. of course i have my opinions as well as you, i just think if this girl wasnt treated/raised the way she was, this may not have happened. saving that poor little 9 yr old and her own life. now if guilty shell have to either live or DIE with her choice.

Chris, I agree with you.
I am also a close friend with her.
She was so kind and dear to me. I loved her and still do.
She is my best friend and my emotional twin.
I remember the nights we spent together, laying side by side. I laid there and watched her sleep, with all her waking innocence.
I can say she was not well. She has struggled with depression and has strange family issues that many don't face, but she, unfortunately, had to.
Place yourself in her shoes, at that mere breaking point she met, and see what you could've done to stop your impulse.
Hate, if your heart desires the dark things in life, but I will be standing at her side. I don't believe it's her fault. It was the pressure and the agitation that was a damaging mixture in her.
Notice, anyone can be a murderer.

AB will be treated as a juvenile. She will spend the next 3-6 years in a high-security place for juveniles or mentally unhealthy people. She will be able to continue getting education at that place. At age 18 she'll be able to take her SATs and get a GED. Then, she'll go to Harvard, Stanford, Yale or Columbia on a scholarship. By that time Elizabeth's father and brother will still be in jail.

mark...I should have said go to hotmail or google and make up an email addy you can post in here.....I sure don't want you posting anything but...just never thought to say that in the other post.....sorry

Amanda said:
"Place yourself in her shoes, at that mere breaking point she met, and see what you could've done to stop your impulse.
Hate, if your heart desires the dark things in life, but I will be standing at her side.

Sorry Amanda, but it's your dear, sweet "emotional twin" whose heart desired the dark things in life. And no, not just anyone is capable of premeditating the brutal murder of a child. Your friend really has you snowed.

I think it's sad that so many comments are about the self-centered monster who murdered because she wanted attention brought to herself instead of our remembering the precious little angel who was slaughtered.
We have lost our focus and been brought into AB's desire for attention.
Please remember Elizabeth in your prayers tonight and all the babies who have been slaughtered at the hands of maniacs like AB, let's not feel sorry for people like AB, Casey, and others

This case has been on my mind since I caught it on tv, and I have to say that I am sad for everyone involved. Not just for the young life that was taken and the lives that were shattered, but for the troubled one the suspect and her family have lived. From what I can see, she is basically Every Girl. Her comments and "tweets" and such actually sound very familiar as nearly half of the people in high school wrote the same types of rants and poetry. I remember screwing up a lot back then, and acting so Gloomy Doomy... and because of that, I can feel sympathy for her, in a way, because our generation is one that is chronically frustrated and angry. I'm not excusing behavior and actions with extreme consequences, just trying to understand the human nature and condition.

I don't agree that a 15-year old should be put away for life. The human brain is not simple to understand, and so much changes over just a few years. I believe that she should have to take responsibility for her actions, yes, but not die in prison without ever getting a chance to make amends for what she did through good deeds and contributing to society. And even then, that is only if she can prove that it is possible. I don't know her, so I can't say whether she has the strength of character to do that, but I think everyone should be given at least a chance to repent for their sins. If we want people to really learn the weight of their actions, we have to give them some glimmer of hope to improve themselves in the future.

Probably sounds hippy, but that's this Love And Peace girl's opinions. I truly feel for the families and friends of all involved in this sad time, and hope everyone can find peace.

I agree to what Hippy says, Of course AB will have to be put away for a while, because she currently is a threat to the community. But, we still need to get the picture clear from the court and the judge in order to see what and how it really happened and the charges pressed against AB.
If AB killed her for pleasure or just to get away with murder, I'm 99.9% sure there is someone else involved in this case who aided AB in some manner, maybe giving her tips on how to kill quickly, how to bury a body or perhaps remaining quiet knowing about the crime, maybe physically helping her with the murder, or the burying. Whoever it is, that person should do time or mental institution. It could be that it's the person who sent the anonymous note, it could perfectly be an adult.
What if an adult is an accomplice? What if an adult persuaded AB to commit the crime? What if AB was under pressure to commit the crime? What if EO asked AB to kill her because her life was so miserable having two long-term inmates in her direct family and being so poor that she didn't want to live anymore? What if EO's mother is a child abuser and now EO is better than when alive? What if it wasn't Ab who killed and it was your momma?

Robin. Very true. God is the one,and the only one who has the "power" or authority to forgive this child who did this crime,(if in fact she did it, and in my ""opinion"" I think she did,) but if you know the bible,and it certainly looks like you do,you know,God has already forgivin her,if she has asked. I don't know if it was trying to make myself feel better about things but I even tried to "forgive " her on this,but I just could'nt do it.

Let me correct myself a bit,Elizabeth could forgive her too, and where she is now,I think maybe she will, or even has. I hope that don't make too many people mad at me,but it might.

HRM. my addy is this. droptoplesabre2002@yahoo.com

I am outraged that this killer is being protected! Every forum I have gone to has to tiptoed around her name and her giant internet presence. I think its unfair! Elizabeth was killed by sick sadist and she is getting the cloak of anonymity. She did a horrible ADULT crime! She should be charged as an adult! I found a forum where you can say whatever you want (finally!). I will be sure to sign up there and tell people exactly what I think of this monster.
http://mixedmartialartscentral.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5959&page=15

You self-righteous assholes are all so full of shit.

First of all, in my book, pressure,agitation, family issues,etc...does not condone premeditated murder. We all deal with pressure and depression these days and most of us deal with family issues everyday of our lives. A healthy mind can deal and work thru it. AB did not, from my understanding, just suddenly snap and act out on "impulse". I feel sorry for you, Amanda. Her so called "charm" sucked you right in. AB deliberately killed a 9yr. old child and her having a "bad" day is not a reason/excuse to cold-heartedly kill anyone. AB is definitely damaged. She, in my oppinion, will always be a threat/danger to society. I will keep Elizabeth in my prayers forever. I also pray that AB will be institutionalized for the rest of her life. Plus, Amanda, if you truely think AB's actions are "OK", maybe you need some guidance and professional help also.

Blaire, sounds like you are also full of hate, hypocrisy and evil; the diatribe you just spewed sounds psychotic and you ramble on about how you would like to kill. Killing someone regardless of whether or not they are a murderer, torturer, etc just puts you down on their level. Ever heard of two wrongs don't make a right? Please up your meds.

Chris, should have preached your bible a bit more to your murdering friend and maybe you could have stopped this from happening... oh wait, nevermind, your fairytale story book is as worthless as the rolling paper its printed on! Those suffering mental breakdowns don't premeditate and dig graves days before their act. Good thing the scum bucket won't be able to make an insanity defense to hold up in court!

So called Truth, why do you religious zealots turn everything into an abortion issue. This has to do with killing a child who was actually living, not an unwanted blob of cells. Don't you have something better to do, maybe a clinic to shoot-up?

To the dummy that sparked a slew of defensive comments for making the anchor baby remark, though I agree with you that illegals shouldn't be allowed to just pop out a kid 1 mile over the border & reap the benefits of the welfare system; that wasn't the case here and it really doesn't matter what race you are if you are a child killer: you are scum to 99.9% of the nation. To the dummies that posted those whiteknighting comments in response to him, how many of you would have jumped to defend a racial slur about Middle Eastern folks or Muslims? You know, the people who are openly discriminated against and acceptedly hated in this country now? I bet a lot of you think its ok to be insensitive to them, but gawd forbid somebody talk about the Mexicans who are in this country illegally!

This board is full of wonderful, remarkably insightful comments that really shows how peace-loving us Americans are! *sarcasm*

We condemn someone for murder, and then rant about how we would like to kill them for killing someone else, and wonder why the violence continues and why our children are so desensitized to cruelty and brutality. The murderer in question shouldn't die for her crimes, instead be sentenced to life without parole. A tortured existance of being reminded every day of her crime-- more than likely having to spend all that time in solitary so the other inmates don't beat or shank her out of her misery, in a tiny prison cell is a much more fitting punishment than a painless death provided by lethal injection. I hope that whatever faith we have left in the American justice system won't be further shaken by letting a child killer off with a 6 year sentence.

RIP Elizabeth Olten, an innocent child who should have never been taken from her family or had her life cut short prematurely - lets all just hope justice will be done for you.

Is it true that AB is LDS (mormon)?. I feel so sad reading all this, I just hope Elizabeth didn't suffer much.

Nice comment Freddie. Judging by the content of your statement, (not that i'm here to judge mind ya), but I'd say you more than likely are about 15,maybe gothic? And probably an outstanding member of a sleazy little gang of boys trying desperately to look like men.

Julia. I haven't heard anything about her being morman. I've never heard of any mormans doing anything like what she did.

Amanda - you are just as delusional as Chris. Waking innocence, huh? This girl snuffed that innocence out of a young child. You're damn straight she wasn't well, but that is NO excuse! Gee only 15 million Americans suffer from depression, probably a great number of them face even worse issues that she never had to deal with, and we don't take out our anger by harming little kids. I have been in some pretty crappy situations in life like EVERYONE else in the world and in those times I sought help. In her case it should have been professional psychiatric help (no excuse on this one either, every state has free mental health clinics) as she clearly needed it if this is what her life was coming to. Don't even try to make excuses for a child killer - that little girl was not the cause of her problems and didn't deserve to die. What could a nine year old possibly do to push her to a breaking point that culminates in murder? I'm the oldest of six siblings, who would annoy me out of my ever-lovin mind at times, but no way would I ever imagine even hitting them let alone commiting murder. I don't buy this BS for one second. She was more than likely, an angsty teen who acted out premeditated murder on a little girl who couldn't even defend herself.

When you grow out of your own indignant teen years where depression, inanity, and quoting dismal poetry or "emo" song lyrics on your myspace page is so trendy and cool, I hope you realize your friend was a criminal. Not just a petty criminal, but a criminal that commited a most reprehensible, heinous, senseless act of violence. You will probably look back and feel disgusted with yourself that you defended a child killer. She's the one who will have "dark things" in her life - a dark 6x6 room in D block.

Alyssa Bustamante is the alleged killer. It has been leaked that the throat and wrists were slit.

I trust this will satisfy the morbid curiosity of most here.

As a family, we used to enjoy watching Nancy Grace ever evening for what appeared to be compelling crime stories. Now, we are shocked, saddened and sickened by an endless series of horrific acts night after night.

I am beginning to fear that we are living in a horribly "godless" time. I hope and pray that we can begin to move in a positive direction in this country.

For those of you wondering how these horrible things can happen. It's simple. Remove God and Goodness from the home, classrooms, government, etc... And evil remains and thrives.

Kevin said: "I am beginning to fear that we are living in a horribly "godless" time. I hope and pray that we can begin to move in a positive direction in this country.

For those of you wondering how these horrible things can happen. It's simple. Remove God and Goodness from the home, classrooms, government, etc... And evil remains and thrives."

Er, Kevin? Are you aware that AB supposedly attended church on a daily basis? Her grandparents by all accounts were decent "God-fearing" people, trying to do right by their grandchildren.

When you're dealing with antisocial personalities, God has very little to do with it, I'm afraid.

Freddy said:
You self-righteous assholes are all so full of shit.

Nice statement there Freddie. if I was to judge you,(and ofcorse I am not,that's Gods job,not mine,) but I'd say you are probably about 15, maybe even a friend of the "accused" and most likely an outstanding member of a sleazy little gang of boys despirately trying to look like mean men. Well youngster, cussing everybody didn't get the job done. Atleast you spelled shit right :)

Julia. I haven't heard anything about the girl being morman, I have never even heard of any of them doing anything like she has been accused of, or even thinking like they might.

People.I've been reading comments for several days. I've seen lots of different things about this case that weigh heavy on my mind. I am by no means trying to come up with excuses,or condone what happened,or even am I trying to defend the girl accused. But think here. She is 15, true. 6 years older than elizabeth. But I also heard she won an equestrian award.. that's horse stuff for those who don't know. To win something like that,a person has to be (let's just say) small built,makes it easier on the horse. Elizabeth,she was only 9, but she was also 5'2" tall,and looking at her picture,she's a healthy girl. Not fat by any account,but big boned, healthy.

Can a girl even tho she's 15, hold a nine year old girl down,cut her wrists and throat,,while that 9 year old girl is as big as she is? think of adrenalin. No doubt Elizabeth was scared to the max. I've seen with my own eyes a woman "pick up a car" because fear adrinalin. Elizabeth surely had THAT going on. Aside from her being possibly the same size as AB,or maybe even bigger + she had adrinalin going on. I also heard ABs boyfriend helped her bury the body???

How many people actually think a 15 year old girl is capable of digging a grave big enough to bury a body in,and "in the rain" do allllll these things to another "adrinalin rushed girl" by herself???

Not me. I'll tell you what I think happened,(and again, this is purely speculation) I don't think she did it. Atleast,I don't think she did it "by herself". I could very well be wrong. there is no telling what else is going to come out in this case. I do grieve with all of you for the loss of Elizabeth, her family,and ABs family as well..Because the families had nothing to do with the murder. From what I gather, they were both god fearing families, devoted to their children, and or grandchildren.

I hope that the authorities in Washington will begin to look seriously at Alyssa's freakish myspace friends from that region of the country.

Investigators might begin to look at the disapperance of 10 year old Lindsey Baum from Washington in an entirely different light. Who would of thought of 15 to 17 year old girls as potential culprits in this disappearance?

http://lindseybaum.com/

Alyssa's "dark" and "emo" freaks live in Forks, WA and Lacey, WA. Is this a mere coincidence?

I do have hate seeping from me. Hate for people who won't get on the bandwagon. Come on, people. I think we need to all be nice and sweet to one another. I don't mean we need to be sweet to Alyssa but to her family. We need to be sweet and nice to other people and always be understanding and let others have their own opinion. However, people think that this is ridiculous. That we should be stern and mean in the eyes of the Lord. This is why I am full of hate. The hypocrisy! We are to be understanding and forgiving for this little murderer but be hateful and mean to Elizabeth's family because some members are in jail? This is ridiculous! Her father and brother being in jail did NOT kill her, this little mean murderous bitch did! And for all of you continue to protect this 'innocent lady' (you disgust me for calling her a lady!!!), God will punish you. Stop getting in God's way! If you support her and help her, it will only make her final punishment that much worse. Quit giving her a reason to do this. The little boy (14 yo) who sodomized and killed poor little Alex in California is being charged as an adult!!! And what he did was not as nearly as bad as what Alyssa did! She slashed with the intent to kill and buried her! The 14 yo satisfied his sexual pleasure and drowned him to keep his from telling on him, then left him in the dryer. Both horrible, but everyone seems to be protecting Alyssa. Besides, my philosophy is "To each his own" but these ignorants who leave comments on here are making it difficult. If you are anti abortion and I am pro choice, then fine, to each his own. If you think its wrong to indict a kid as an adult and I feel that the kid should be tried as an adult, then fine, to each his own. If you say ignorant hateful comments and I respond with some equally as hateful, fine, to each his own. But that this little murderer is tricking people into believing she was truly depressed and then you begin to defend her, that's where I get pissed and throw my beliefs out the window. Besides, I can vent and vent and vent all I want. God knows what I would do and what I would never do. God knows our minds and what we really mean behind each comment. Don't get it twisted, you can't fool him. So say what you will. "God bless Elizabeth's family, God bless Alyssa's family, God bless the system to do unto Alyssa what will prevent harm to others"

Kevin...Whoooaaaa you definitely crossed a line that should not be touched. Just because someone chatted on the internet with Alyssa does not mean they should automatically be murder suspects?? Where is that coming from?? I read the site of the girl from forks washington before it was set to private. I read her posts with her friends and other than the ramblings of typical teenagers, there was nothing out of the ordinary posted by any of them. She happens to have amazing talent when it comes to writing poetry and verses. Just because a 17 yr old is having a hard time accepting what has potentially happened with her online friend does not make her a suspect or a murderer. I say potentially because a person is innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW not by chatters on the internet.

I agree with HRM. No one is guilty until proven guilty in court. Kevin, you would be a hero if what you said turns out to be the truth, but I doubt it. God bless your momma and you for now, Kevin. I hope someone sneaks a camera in to the court or somewhere, because we haven't heard any new info. about the girls or their families.

Its ridiculous her identity has to be hidden because she is a minor, she didn't think like a child in the moment she killed that little girl. If Alyssa Bustamante didn't have mercy for Elizabeth Olten, why should anyone feel sorry for her? Her name and image should be revealed, just like the press does with any other criminal.
http://www.myspace.com/ramen_noodles_w00t

It is so sad that Elizabeth was taken away at such a early age and how she was taken from her family and friends.
It is also sad how everyone can show so much hate.
Reading some of these comments posted by a few under educated people lacking a IQ seems like some like a few more morals should be handed out with bibles I would hate but what good comes out of hate. Hate is a burden to carry. Why not ask yourself why ?? How can we avoid this from happening again to some innocent victim. What signs should you be on the watch out for when a friend needs help who is going to stand up and say enough is enough and make them seek help. from reading her twitters and listening to her songs she did have signs / then you have to ask yourself what went on in this girls head Did something happen in her life? / was she doing drugs? Maybe they was drugs prescribed for her? I Don't Know and neither do you so stop judging. Breeding like animals? was one comment No matter what a mother or father does doesn't mean they don't love their children any less give me a break. Judge Not One day you may find yourself in the Judgement seat Sorry I know I will get hate comments from this but I have sadness in my heart for both families

I think all of you who are so concerned with this girl getting the death penalty are just as mentally twisted as she is. You are all sitting there wishing death on a child just as she did. Don't think you or your families are above having a "bad apple" close to you who may do something horrific in their life. Would you be so quick to yell "Death Penalty" if it were your child,neice, nephew or the child of someone you were close to. Maybe we should all be praying for our children and other children that what ever evil that is consuming them will be destroyed, NOT THE CHILDREN. Also to you people who want to yell "An eye for an eye" may God help you, because apparently you never took the time to finish reading the bible!I hope you people find something more productive to do with your time than passing judgement people you do not even know.

Blaire - Your comments are by far some of the most ignorant I have read here. I believe you are a paragon of a hypocritical Christian. At least you admit you are, since you say you'll gladly throw your beliefs out the window. Of course, hypocrisy is the entire basis of your fairy tale book judging by how many scripture contradicts another. If your farcical God will surely punish those who "get in his way" (how that is even possible by posting opinions on a public forum I have no idea) what makes you think he won't punish you for harboring such hate in your heart? Check out Col. 3:8 - you must rid yourself of anger, rage, malice, slander, filthy language. Why do you all pick and choose what verses you should follow and which are obsolete? In Matthew 5:21-28, Jesus equates committing murder with having hate in your heart; that sin is still sin even if you only want to commit them but don't act. All sins are equal in severity of punishment according to the Bible. Besides, if you really believe in it, she would be forgiven as Jesus died to pay the penalty, per John 2:2.

Who are you to say that what happened to the little boy Alex is less heinous than what happened to Elizabeth? Judge, jury and executioner? It's a good thing the unmedicated mentally ill (you seem to be a prime example of that) are unfit to serve as any of the above. Can you explain how is sodomy then murder of a young boy any less detestable than the killing of a young girl in your all-knowing "good Christian" eyes? They are both horrifying, inexcusable, and both should be tried as adults & if convicted, given life imprisonment with no parole. Suffering through prison for all of their remaining days is more fit than a swift and painless death by lethal injection, or sitting on death row for 20 years where they're given the best medical care, their preferred religious rites and a meal fit for the Queen of England before they're humanely killed. That is much more consideration than either of these poor kids got.

Doesn't seem you even read the comments here, I only see a few of her friends defending her actions. The majority of us are shocked and morally outraged like the rest of the country is at such inhumanity. Only a bonehead would ever akin depression with murder. Even if it were true that she was depressed, on drugs, unchecked mental illness, it is no excuse. There are ways and means to deal with every one of those problems. What was the family doing in this situation when their teen was soooo depressed or allegedly doing drugs? Ignoring the signs? If that were the case then they are just as responsible for this; yet another parent too busy to pay attention to what their teenager is doing or in some instances, who they are hanging around with. We cannot say for certain, only speculate. Finding the facts of what happened will be up to the police, and punishment by the real judge & jury.

lita said:
Of course, hypocrisy is the entire basis of your fairy tale book judging by how many scripture contradicts another. If your farcical God will surely punish those who "get in his way" (how that is even possible by posting opinions on a public forum I have no idea) what makes you think he won't punish you for harboring such hate in your heart? Check out Col. 3:8 - you must rid yourself of anger, rage, malice, slander, filthy language. Why do you all pick and choose what verses you should follow and which are obsolete? In Matthew 5:21-28, Jesus equates committing murder with having hate in your heart; that sin is still sin even if you only want to commit them but don't act. All sins are equal in severity of punishment according to the Bible. Besides, if you really believe in it, she would be forgiven as Jesus died to pay the penalty, per John 2:2.

Lita,do I take it you do not believe in God? If so,how is it you know so much about the bible,or "fairy tail book" as you put it?

I'm just asking, because I don't know you,and would enjoy learning,as I do about pretty much anything. I don't mean to offend you about your beliefs,or anything, in any manner. So please forgive me if I did., other than that,I pretty much agree with everything else you said.

I usually just read and leave no comments but i felt compelled to do so because i saw the comments, wondering if the asailant is minority. That's sad to automatically assume this. It is people like this, with such hate in their hearts that we read about in these articles. Race has nothing to do with the severity of this crime. I do not feel that age does not either. From birth we are taught and know that killing is wrong. 15-year-olds do adult things, such as having babies. If they do the crime- no doubt- they should be held accountable. A child has lost her life- thats far beyond stealing something from the store. She deserves to be tried as an adult. Race plays no part in this- even if she were of minority culture. Would it make it easier for the 9 year-olds family to know that the killer is white? No matter the color- im sure it hurts the same. The issue here is that a baby lost her life- not what color the asailant is. People- get a life! My prayers go out to both families.

None taken, really, I don't consider myself having any beliefs as far as religion goes (I do believe in karma, if that maybe counts for anything.) I grew up Mormon (more like forced into) reading the Bible practically every night until I gained some sense to see all of the contradictions and things just don't add up. Science on the other hand, did have explanations for things rather than just "You've gotta have faith!" My main reason was I just got sick of every Christian picking & choosing what they want to follow-- and they ALL do this. So much judging every one else but you aren't supposed to judge believers. Just look at some of what you read here coming from so called Christians. I'm not defending this girl who killed Elizabeth but I think the death penalty is wrong in this case or any other, plus she does have the right to a fair trial before people start screaming for her blood. If she is guilty I believe life imprisonment, institutionalization (though I personally don't think she was "crazy" like they will try to pass it off as) is better. Life of misery is a more suitable punishment than swift death.

Also, wouldn't surprise me much if AB turns out to be an LDS church member. Speaking from personal experience, a lot of those kids aren't so goody-two-shoes as they might seem while they hide behind that warped religion.

You are intitled to your beliefs and I respect you for that,and dont hold anything against you,as you might be a very good person,,,A man,or woman,don't have to be "religious" to be a good person..Thank you by the way for not getting mad at me,,I didn't think,,or if I did,,I didn't mean to judge you. As for the girl,,I did "hear" she is "or was" in church on a regular basis. And as they say,,the preachers daughter,,well,we all know,,but anyway. I agree, they shouldn't give her death. It would be too easy,,but think how much money it would save the state in food and housing,,That's what things usually come down to be all about when it comes to the courts ya no.Justice seems to be a word of the past now days..Just my opinion of corse.

I also agree, they will probably try the insanity gig. Which I think is pretty much always a cheap excuse for stupid people.

I commented prematurely yesterday when I stated “You self-righteous assholes are all so full of shit.” After reading your subsequent posts, I can earnestly state that you self-absorbed assholes are completely full of shit.

Lita. I see where you're coming from,I think. You have every right to your own opinion,beleifs,or religion,and I respect you,and your choice,along with your honosty. I didn't,or if I did,I didn't mean to jusge you,and I appologize if I did,,I also agree with you about the death sentance. It would be too easy for someone who did such a horrible thing as this.let alone,,she didnt think "easy" when she klilled this girl (if infact she did) and as far as the insanity gig,,I think that's a bunch of crap. A cheap excuse for stupid people,but you're probably right,that's what they'll probably use, for her defence.. But think how much money it would save the state to just kill the girl,just in food and housing,,After all,isn't that what it's all about in the court system? Money? In my experiance,it has been.
Also,,I did "hear"that the girl is, or was, in church on a regular basis. And as they say,,the preachers daughter,,,Well,,I won't even go there,,It'll probably cause more ruckus than it's worth.

My heart goes out to the family of Elizabeth, but also to the 15 year old girl and her family as well. I take into consideration the tragedy that has happened, but she is a juvenile and I know she must be scared out of her mind at the trouble she has caused both families. In the end others might not understand but this a 15 year old child that we are talking about should get the death penalty. I hope the criminal justice system has a heart because this is a hard one to take to trial. I put myself in the shoes of both the victim and the suspect and I just could not look a 15 year old in the face and give her life in prison.She should be punished for what she has done but the mental capacity of a 15 year old is no where near the decision to be tried as an adult.

Noah, are you serious? Your heart goes out to this girl that killed? This girl that dug a grave? This girl that knew exactly what she was doing when she did what she did? Who gives a crap if she is scared out of her mind. I am sure poor little Elizabeth was scared out of her mind also. You hope the criminal justice system has a heart? Did she have a heart when she took the life out of this poor child? No. How can you possibly try to put yourself in the shoes of a killer. There was no reason at all for what she did. I do not care if she is 15 or 50, she killed another human being, and should be charged as such. She did an adult crime, she needs to do adult time, whether life in prison or death. You are saying she should get neither. Therefor putting out the message that if you are 15 years of age, you can kill with no consequences. Eye for an eye. And for all of the people saying innocent until proven guilty, this 15 year old killer lead police to the body that they could not even find on their own. I think that makes her guilty as sin.

She will get out in no time. I hope I am wrong. The names Jon Venables, Robert Thompson, and Mary Bell come to mind. There will be no justice for Elizabeth, just like there wasn't for James Bulger or any of Mary Bell's victims. They all served a little bit of time compared to what they should have and were released with full anonymity to start new lives. I know the killers I mentioned were younger, but we need to set an example. Not let them get away with murder...

Alyssa was a mormon.
She attended seminary every morning, church every sunday, and events of the stake.

Those who claim she is a monster, I give you a line from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints hymnal, "Who am I to judge another when I walk imperfectly?"

Assume this to your own lives, and call Alyssa a monster.

God doesn't want his children hating eachother...

Sorry Amanda, it doesn't work that way. In order to have a civilized society judgment is required. People who commit the type of act that Alyssa allegedly committed, need to be judged and if deemed guilty need to be separated from the rest of society, for the rest of their lives. Sick or not, when you purposely take an innocent 9 year old girls life, you should never be let free on society again.

And yes, monster would be a term that would fit somebody who committed a crime like this. Just like the 14 year old monster in California that raped and killed the 4 year old boy.

Sorry, Amanda. I do not believe in God, therefor your bible thumping will not work on me. As far as "God not wanting his children hating each other," maybe this God you speak of does not want them killing each other, either. I would say that is more important, wouldn't you? As far as your line, "Who am I to judge another when I walk imperfectly?" I may walk imperfectly, but I have never killed another. Okay, for amusement sake, I assume this is my own life... Yep, Alyssa is still a MONSTER (among other things I would rather not say). Not only in my eyes, but in the eyes of a lot of others, also. The only sympathy I have, is for the family of this poor child that was taken into the woods and killed by an EVIL MONSTER! All of the bible quoting and church you speak of will never change my mind.

Amanda babbled:
"Alyssa was a mormon.
She attended seminary every morning, church every sunday, and events of the stake."

Sounds like a real poster girl for the Mormon church, alright. All those Sundays in church have REALLY paid off.

"Those who claim she is a monster, I give you a line from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints hymnal, "Who am I to judge another when I walk imperfectly?"

Assume this to your own lives, and call Alyssa a monster."

There's "walking impefectly", and then there's butchering innocent 9 year-olds...

Frankly you should give a damn, because not giving a damn is the reason we have kids raping kids, kids killing kids. we don't have parent supervision and we let children run wild. proper punishments are now child abuse. we have doctors giving out medical conditions to children because children aren't allowed to be children, and it upsets parents. we are letting our children act like animals, and guess what animals kill animals. also i am very upset that unique mommie doesn't give a damn to anyone other than herself. her hatred for the child that killed her brother is blinding her to the fact that not everyone involved is a guilty party. the cousin of the murderer/child is apparently trying to come to some kind of closure for his/herself. he/she is trying to cope in her/his own way. she obviously cares so much she/he apologized for her/his cousins crime. and a childs way of dealing with tragedy is making excuses or trying to bring into light the mental conditions only because he/she is just as confused by this senseless act as anyone else.

hey everyone i'm glad that everyone finds this crime as unbelievable i do. in reading other blogs it said she was in a mental hospital. it also said she'd gained a lot of weight. i thought they were having a hearing soon. but ,maybe not untill the 18th. anybodt have any new info ? i've read true crime since i was a kid. this situation really makes you think. anyone hear about her teacher commiting suicide? also anyone notice all of her stuff dissapeared off the internet? patti oooohhh one more thing .has anyone read about the affects or effects of plastics:ie children and aggression?

I dont know how TURE this really is but some people are saying that it wasnt even this 15 year old girl, it was the teacher that killed him self at jefferson city mo high school. and that the court knows it wasnt her just keeping here in jail for her own protection.?

Patti. What I heard about the teacher is this.. "Suposadly," the alledged killer told him of her plans,or atleast something about them,and he couldn't live with himself because he didn't stop it from happening,so he offed himself. How true it is,I do not know.

Secret. I never heard that one yet,but if it's true she definately needs and deserves protection. However,I realy don't think that's the case. I do believe tho,,she had help. thats JUST my opinion.

Pete, Nice statement,I like that,,Very well put. It's very true,nobody has one tiny right to hate the cousin of this girl. She had nothing to do with it,and like you said,she has to figure out how to deal with this in any way she can..or he,,whichever it may be. we should keep her in our prayers as well as the little sister of alyssa..I can only imagin what she's going through after this happened to her best friend,,by her very own sister??

Patti. From what I heard about the teacher killing himself is this,,Alyssa "suposedly" told him of her plans,or something about them,and he couldn't live with himself because he did nothing to stop it, so he offed himself.

Secret.. I never heard that one yet,but if it's true,she definately needs and deserves total protection,because this city is up in arms with this,and there are alot of people that "want her dead".(I'm not one of them by the way). However,I realy don't think that's the case here.

Pete. Nice statement,well put,,I like it,,and you're absolutely right. We should have no hate toward the cousin. He/she had nothing to do with this crime,and he/she has to learn how to deal with it the only way they know how. We have to understand also,they are family. They have every right to stand by their cousin,no matter what the case is. They call that love. And the one I feel for most in this is Alyssa little sister. I can only imagin how she feels, and what she has to go through now that her best friend was murdered,,,by her own sister?? It's gotta be extremely tuff on this little girl.

P.S. Sorry about the doubletake there,,The first one didn't come up,so I tried it again,and well,,,woops

Amanda - If Alyssa was such a good Mormon, did she never read Alma 42:19 or 2 Nephi 9:35?

Alma 42:19 "Now, if there was no law given, if a man murdered he should die - would he be afraid he would die if he should murder?"
2 Ne. 9:35 "Wo unto the murderer who deliberately killeth, for he shall die."

I'm sure you probably know nothing of this religion, so I'll elaborate for you. It's called Blood Atonement. They are very much in favor of Capital Punishment. Another example could be Gideon, who was said to come upon Alma for vengeance against the murderer Nehor. There are many instances in the Book of Mormon, where murder is a sin for which blood spilled is the only way to atone. Now, as the LDS church has stricken many things from the Doctrine & Covenants to cover their butts for that would be deemed illegal in modern society; it's still Joseph Smith's essential teachings. Even though the modern LDS church says they don't practice the blood atonement, they still believe that murder is sin and condemnable to hell, by the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I know all of this because as I said before, I'm an ex-Mormon (now atheist) who was in the LDS church from birth to 17 years old.

So don't play that religion crap here. Those of us who really know the Bible and the Book of Mormon know that what you are trying to quote has nothing to do with murder. As far as I know, and I have studied both books closely, there is nothing I can remember that could excuse such an act. If she were a good follower, she would have known that too. You can pull out the "judge not or you too will be judged" all you want, but its completely out of context, for verse 3-5 of that chapter calls on us to make judgements.

Very well spoken, Lita.

Mark, I heard, also, that the teacher had them write an assignment and hers had something to do with what happened (not exactly sure what), but because he did not report it, he felt very guilty and blamed himself for not stopping what happened to Elizabeth. Not being able to deal with his guilt, he killed himself. Just like you said, I do not know how much is true. It is what I read. I do not think the teacher has anything to do with the killing. They said that they found evidence that she planned this in writing, which is why they believe it was a paper that she turned in to this teacher.

Pete, who said they didn't give a damn? And about what are you referring to?

Mary. Thanks for somewhat clearing that up for me. That sounds about like what I read also. I also haeard Elizabeth was killed elsewhere,and moved to the grave. I can only believe Alyssa had to have help in this, or maybe even she "was" the helper..I don't know, that's just a guess on my part. The girl just aint big enough to kill,and transport a body,and bury her, in the time span givin. Which would be from what I gather,about 1 hour between the time Elizabeth left her house,and time the search started. they Didn't fool around in this. They got right out there.

By the way,,She also had to get home "undetected" and get cleaned up in this time span..It just looks too hard to be done by somebody of her size. If in fact she did kill Elizabeth,surely she had blood all over her clothes,and in her hair, even if she had help. Correct me if i'm wrong,but it just sticks in my gut,,and I'm sure somebody will correct me,,even if I'm right.

I haven't posted in a bit...but I happen to be LDS, (Mormon) if it is true that AB went to an LDS church, that doesn't mean she was a member, nor does it mean that the gospel was in her heart (obviously) and since she was taught right from wrong, her eternal, final punishment will be JUST.
In NO WAY are LDS members taught to commit crimes such as this and the LDS church, nor its members has nothing to do with this horrible crime. As a member, and a person, I am sickened to my soul at AB and her thoughts, her deeds, her very life.

Thanks for talkkin back: MARK,
i dont know how ture that is either, thats jus wat people say, people say alota shiit. and like u said i dont think that she did it by her self either..
& be able to hid her that good. to were they walk over that poor lil girls body two times.
i am wondering how 15 year old girls familyy is thinking.
any one willing to talk to a reporter ?

Going to church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going to McDonald's makes you a hamburger.........

Ha. yeah that is very TURE {Robin} so is it ture that they are jus holding her to protect her, that she really didnt do, i heard she was getting out on the 18th but also seen that was her court date.?

That was a good one Robin. I doubt it's true that they're holding her for her protection only secret. I truely think she was in on it,I just don't think she did it by herself. too many things about the whole deal that dont "jive up" ya know? come to think about it,,maybe she didn't have anything to do with it at all. Maybe somebody else did do it,and she seen them,and they made her stay quiet,(like the teacher that kilt himself maybe?). Maybe threatened her.Ya never know. The 18th is when they let the public in the court room,and that's when they decide whether she's tried as an adult. This I know. And since they ALWAYS say try her as a child or adult,that pretty much tells me she was guilty,atleast of something in this crime,whether alone or not,which I "personally think" it was "not alone".

oh yea robin,,i quit going to church long ago..maybe i better quit going to mcdonalds too? he he he

I've never heard of anyone being charged with first degree murder for their own protection, or have I missed something?
I think the cops are smart enough to catch a helper if there is one.

This realy sux,,Not sure why it didn't go on last time,but here goes again!!
Robin,,that was a good one,,I quit going to church years ago,mainly because my "sister" was and is the worlds biggest hypocrit, and ofcorse she's in the church "every day the doors are open" gimme a break. Not that I aint still christain,because I am,,or atleast I try to be. By thew way,maybe I should quit going to mcdonalds too,before I turn into a burger,(snicker snicker) just kiddin.

And Secret..The 18th is the date they decide if she'll be tried as an adult,or a child killer. It's also open to the public. "but" what if she didnt do it? "What if" somebody else did it,and she just knew about it,,(which also makes her guilty) and threatened her..(like maybe the teacher who kilt himself). Personally,I think she did it,,whether alone,or not,,I just can't help to think she had help,or maybe she was the "helper". Too many things just don't add up,,this thing just eats my guts up!,,it's in my head,and wont go away. I hope Elizabeth is resting better than I am. and i'm sure "where she is" she is.God bless you Elizabeth.

Mark, you need to learn to be more patient lol And yes, I must say that was a great one, Robin. I find it hard to laugh or even crack a smile these last few days. With all the news coming out. That did make me smile though. :)

Yeah, i dont think she did it alone. and i hope that they do find the person that helped, she couldnt of. but yeah i didnt think that it was that ture when someone told me that they were just holding her to protect her, but i just hate not knowing and i think that her court date is open to the public and i will be going!! i am from jefferson city mo, i dont kno about you guys.. but the person who told me also said that the teacher was going to try and frame her and she turned the body in and that the police kno that she didnt do it.
im not sure, ur right mark: no one really knows. but if it really is "this gurl" then she is going to get off by being "Mental" and get out. they wont give her life LIKE SHE NEEDS.
i went to Elizabeths funural and it was SO BEATUFULL. i didnt kno this girl butt cyed tears for her
RIP: ELIZABETH OLTEN.

Kevin-

Forks, WA is the town in the Twilight books... I don't think that's where they are really from... they are just putting in the town cuz it's trendy or w/e. Lots of teenage girls read the series. I've read all 4 books because my lil 15 year old sis is into them and she got me into it... it's just very "trendy" at the moment...

For those of us who think deep thoughts about this event....did it occur to anyone that along with "killing people" under "hobbies" AB also wrote "cutting"
Would she have known how, where to cut to cause death rather than something else? I mean, maybe there wouldn't have been instant lots of blood for her to worry about...this is disgusting (poor Elizabeth), I hate to think about it, but from a COLD medical stand point, maybe, AB didn't have bloody clothes to dispose of, I just noticed you guys talking about it and I've been holding that in.
I don't know much about the hobby of "cutting", I just wondered.

Secret, I didn't go to the funeral,but I can imagin the turnout,and the streeets were surely lined up with respect for the girl. I'm up in New Bloomfield myself,and work nights or I would have gone. I missed it,but my thaughts were with her,and they will be from now on it seems. Theres just something about this that bothers me to no end, and it'll be with me forever. I think everybody cried for elizabeth during the funeral and before and after. Wish I could havemade it, to show her how I feel. Every time I turn on this page and see her picture it still brings a tear to me,like stickin me in the chest or something. Ya know the feeling?

Robin. I've been around for a long time,and I've done some cutting myself,,(not people), and I've seen alot more,,and trust me,,there's no way a 15 year old girl could cut a girls throat and there not be blood all over her..there's just no way. I don't even think a doctor could do it,,especialy in the cercomstances that we have here. Corse,I could be wrong,but I realy dont think so.

What if the person was behind Elizabeth? Would they get blood on themselves? Or what if she was already unconcious?

Wow. Some peoples' posts are ridiculous (Dex). The death of that poor girl probably has absolutely nothing to do with race. Regardless of race, a murderer is a murderer. Even if the girl is Latina, you can't blame this on the Latino population. That's one person out of an entire race of people. Whites and blacks murder just as much and we can't blame all whites or all blacks for the bad apples in the group. And no, not all girls are evil, Dex. It sounds like you were abused by a female as a child or have been harassed or made fun of by girls. People do insane things in their teen years, male or female. It has nothing to do with if you're a girl or a boy. As a member of the current generation, I have to agree that my generation is out of control. I was raised in a small town in Texas so the Bible was a very important part of my upbringing. To be honest, I think that by taking God away and by handing us more freedom than we can handle, our nation has spoiled us to the point that we have no morals and we dehumanize one another. We don't look at other humans as having families, friends, jobs, and school anymore. They're just a walking lump of flesh. My mother is an amazing woman and she has always meant well by everything she does but when she handed me the reigns to my own life when I was 13 or 14, my life went downhill. She thought by giving me the control, it would make us friends. Holding kids in captivity until they're adults is NOT the answer, but allowing kids to act as adults even though they're still in the parents' care has led to a nation of out of control, unpredictable , drug-headed, sex-crazed, murdering teenagers. Parents, you cannot throw parenting out of the window and become your child's friend. It's a careful balancing act and in order to maintain your control, you have to be the bad guy sometimes. Being a friends is okay when it comes to shopping or comforting but teens need a firm hand more than anything in those years. I'm only 18 and when someone my age says that we're out of control, we need help.

Lita - I guess I do sound full of hate and hypocritical. But honestly, I never quoted any scripture nor did I intend on it. I believe in God and I hope and pray that God has a plan for her. I know she will pay for it and we all pay for our sins. You are hypocritical, as well. You mostly bash my opinion and then you proceed to blame, blame, blame the parents, etc. I am not religious, but I do have beliefs. I am at the point where all of the hate and sht in the world seeps into my veins and I really want to do something about it. True, I would never kill. But I guess I am glad that it got you worked up. Have a spectacular night.

I keep hearing comments of a Teacher
Also the teacher committed sucided
Whom is the teacher and how does he or she fit into this
crime

Not hate. The teacher that committed suicide was one of the accused girls teachers. The story is he knew about her plan,through a paper she wrote or something like that,and did nothing to stop it. He couldn't live with himself,so he ended his life. Now,there are "rumers" goin around that he might have killed Elizabeth,and was going to try to "frame" this girl. How true that is,I do not know. I do think however,she either had help,or was only a helper in this crime. Or could be even, she just knew about it,who done it,and was scared into telling the cops where Elizabeth was buried. Again,I don't know.

HRM. Even uf she was unconcious,she would still bleed profushly.(however thats spelled) Blood would have squirted all over. Ya have to remember one thing..Adrinalin..Elizabeth had only one thing on her mind while this was happening to her,,"GET AWAY". Sorry to sound rude, but have you ever pissed your pants,being so scared? That's adrinalin. Surely Elizabeth had it going on to the max.Struggling to get away,,Nobody could cut wrists and throat, while trying to hold doqwn a scared child,(even at 9) while they try to get away without getting blood all over them,. Again,,I'm sorry if I sounded rude,,but sometimes it's just nessisary.

Mark YES I have been that scared. I was kidnapped and raped and the kidnapper tried to cut my throat because I refused to perform oral sex. I was 8 at the time. So DON'T tell me about adrenalin as a full grown man was unable to hold me down. Fortuanately for me he only got a shallow cut, not enough to kill me but enough to scar me. YOU are assuming she was conscious when she was murdered. Nowhere have I read anything to that affect. Have you ever seen anybody cut their wrists? I have and blood does NOT necessarily squirt all over. We are all assuming that these cuts were extremely deep. What if they weren't? What if something else killed her? Who is to say she wasn't drugged prior to being murdered? Think about what you just said in your post. She would have adrenalin going to the max so HOW would a person the size of AB hold her down to cut her throat and wrists while she is fighting for her life??? You saw the picture of AB that was taken a few months before the murder and her arms made her look anorexic. We are all just giving our opinions here as not one of us have facts just assumptions and gossip.

Ok, here's one for you, don't jump on me, its hard for me to share this. Many times in the past I have had times where I get "feelings" or "sense things" I once had a vision where I saw a missing child in our local town and when I went to the cops with it, I was so right on in her death and where she was and all that they began to question me and I never went public again. It terrified me to be thought of as a suspect.
The night Elizabeth went missing, I was in TORMENT. I knew she was buried under brush. It felt to me as if she were still alive and I wanted them to keep searching for her, I knew they were just missing her. She was RIGHT THERE, but couldn't move, I could feel the stuff on her. BUT there is such a fine line between life and death that I honestly don't know at that point if she was alive or dead. (It's hard to explain.) But, at that time...anyway, I wanted to call so bad to tell them she was buried, I live 1,500 miles away, but I was too scared, and I couldn't tell if she was still alive. I'm still in torment. Does anyone know if she lived through that first night? At least until about the early morning hours?
I saw Haley Cummings too, but I'm too scared to call, why do I have this if I can't use it? What purpose does it have? Why is it only sometimes?

Robin,

I think that you shhould call the authorities. Your gift is between a blessing and a curse. I understand your ambivilance.
Contact me on Facebook if you'd like.
Judy Winfree

Robin if you see Haley Cummings also where is it you see her Is she alive

Robin:
i think that Elizabeth had to have died right then, her family said she wouldnt be one to jus "go in the woods she was scared of the dark". what i think is the grandpas house of [AB], that elizabeth was at had too help her..a family meber of elizabeth whitch is my friend said that the grandpa told the litle girl elizabeth was playing with not to say anything to the cops and to get back in the house. and he wasnt saying anything either and lied to the mother of Elizabeth, thats y i think AB had helpp she had to of. being 15 couldnt barry a body that good to were they walk over her twice.
and i understand why u didnt call or say anything they prolly would have thought you had something to do with and took you in. who is Haley Cummings ??

Mark: yeah i know that fealing. And your right everyone cryed tears for Elizabeth, this shouldnt have happend to her!! only 9 years old still had a WHOLE LIFE TO LIVE !! she prolly had big dreams. well, you know for sure that the court date is open to the public? and do u kno were it will b?

is it ture that AB's parents are both in jaiil and that she did live her grandpa in st.martins
which is the house that Elizabeth was playing at?

she should be jailed for life,so she can never have the chance to kill other child,i think now it would be starting to dawn on her what she has done,her whole life in jail,was it worth it,

Robin:

If you have this gift, then you need to talk to someone. You have something special that can help police solve crimes. If you have been right before, and you have seen Haylee, then you owe it to her to help find her and put away the people who have done this to her. The worst thing that anyone can do is hurt an innocent child. Those people need to be put away so that they can think of what they have done to a poor innocent chld.

What I saw with Haylee is old news now, I saw it the day she went missing. I saw the following:

Someone she knew took her, she was not awake, I don't know if she was dead or alive, but she was not awake, the person carried her.

The person was driving a truck.

I CLEARLY had the word (not a color) GREEN.

Later I learned that they lived on a street named Green. I feel like perhaps the person who took her also lives on the street or lane named Green.

I didn't "see" this, but I sort of felt that her body or she would have been found in the late summer (I had thought this past summer, and I had thought it was going to be in a lake, but that didn't happen, so Idon't know if she was moved or if I was wrong....I'm not usually wrong, so that is confusing to me.
But I only really saw what I just said about a person she knew, a truck, and the word Green....I didn't think it was enough info to bother with. I think the cops already know that now anyway.
I have managed to save three people in my lifetime and I'm grateful for that, but it's not easy to work with this because sometimes things aren't always real clear. Like, sometimes I can't tell if the person is dead or alive. I only know that when I actually see the murder, I've had that happen a few times. One time the murderer was in jail and pleading innocent and it was a tuff case. i wrote him and told him what I'd seen and I threatened to tell, it scared him so bad that he confessed, he's in a certain state pen now. :-) That made me feel good, I gave him all the details. That was 25 yrs ago. He'd killed a 7 yr old

off subject:, if you're interested in how one was found:
a kidnapped child from a neighbor state.
I knew where she was, she was a 5 yr old girl taken by a "mental" and extremely dangerous father from the custodial mother.
I went to the police who said they couldn't get a search warrant on a tip like mine.
SO, I got a friend who lived in an apt where Jehovah's Witnesses had left Watchtowers in the laundry room. we dressed up like Jeh. Wit. and knocked on the front door of the suspect house and talked away until we spotted the little girl in the living room.
Once we saw the girl, we told the cops who got their warrant and then got the girl. :-)
This same friend helped me on two other cases, she loved being freaked by my hunches. She lives in another city now.
Sorry for drifting, I thought you might like hearing about it.

Robin. Sounds like you have a gift. I hope ya use it Wisely. I can't say I know how it feels to have these things like what you have happen,because only you can know that. It make me proud to even talk to someone who has saved even one life using a gift like what you have.

Secret..What I heard was ABs father is in prison,and her mother is a drug addict. But I never heard if she's in jail,or prison,or anything like that.. And yes,the court is going to be open to the public,but I don't know where it is yet,,Soon as I find out,I'll let ya know tho, if ya havent found out already.

HRM..you confuse me..you said you was raped when you was 8..I'm truely sorry to hear that. However,he was a full grown man,and he wasn't able to hold you down? Was you a "big kid" for 8? Elizabeth was a pretty good size girl,and her "suposed" attacker was a small framed 15 year old girl..Try tellin me "she" was able to do this by herself,and not get bloody..True,she may been drugged,or knocked out,whatever,,But blood still shoots when a main vain is cut..I said in my laast comment I was sorry if I sounded rude,but you had to go and take it personall,,that was not needed, neither is anger on either of our parts..We neither know what happened. Nothing was said about bloody clothes. That don't mean there wasnt any that we know of. There are alot of "details" that were never told. Partialy because the "aledged killer" is a child,and partially because the evidence will be "tainted" if braught out before court. Have a good day. I don't hate you,and don't want you hating me. We just dissagree on some things,(which is only human),and we obviously clashed. And for that, I appoligize.

Mark....no apology required. At 8 I would have been roughly 4'10-11 and 80 lbs. There are always extenuating circumstances that cause each case to be different. My particular case I was in a car and he could not hold me in one place. That is until I exhausted myself and couldn't fight anymore. But enough of that. As I told you I have the feeling she was mutilated after she was murdered and her grandparents may have had something to do with it. Just a feeling and jmo. have a great day

My Prayers R with the Olten's in their time of grief...To All of you who say oh They Paren't shoulden't let their children have sleep overs or to those of you who have suspicions that this was done by more than one person.....WHO CARES! This Family will never see their daughter again,never got to say good bye and for for what it's worth I'm almost possitve had the parent's of this little girl even suspected that something like this would happen ,they would have not allowed her to go. I am convinced however that Every parent should know if your child has a mental illness way before 15 years old and Get the child treated... I live in a very small town population mabey 300, but you can bet your ass that I watch my nine year old daughter and get to know her friends and parents.
Even if I do know where she is I call just to check,you never know, a crazy phycotic anything- PEDOPHILE, MURDERER, Could live right next door...Next time your son or daughter sais I'm going to a friends make damb sure You know who the friends r and the parents, This is a family's worste nightmare...This is to the Olten's My deepest sympathy goes out to you and your family,Your daughter is in my heart. God Bless You!

HRM. You might be right. She might have been mutilated after she was dead,,Which in my opinion,makes who ever did this even a worse person than if it wasn't done afterwords, somehow. Sicker I think is what im trying to say..Anyway,the cops know what the deal is,and just what did happen to her,,,We'll just have to wait untill everything is released to the public..Another thing,,I read on here,,(which could very well be only rumer) that the grandfather of AB told the littler girl,(Elizabeths friend,) to git in the house and don't say anything to the cops..Now if I read right,,it looks kinda like "he" might be in on "something" whether he's covering for the girl, or maybe,,(and its only an opinion mind ya). But maybe he's the one who did it,and what if he did? Is the girl takin the fall for somebody else in her family? What if he's been forcin "her" to have sex all this time she's been living with them. Now don't get me wrong,,I aint sayin he was,,but ya see? There's millions of "ideas" and "theories" that are gonna go through everybodys heads. This is just one. So I think maybe we should all step back and look at every possability. Maybe this girl is caught up in something much more than just this. Maybe she's a scapegoat. Maybe,Lots and lots of maybies in this deal.

there would actually be no blood or possibly very little blood if strangulation is cause of death and took place before cutting of throat/wrist. Carotid sinus reflex due to strangulation can render a child unconscious within a short period of 7-14 seconds, death can occur within 1 minute. There is no bleeding after death due to no heartbeat and no pumping of the blood. My own thoughts are that a young adult of 15yrs does have the physical ability to strangle 9yr. old since I am basing that idea on the victim knew the accused murderer and therefore did not fear her. "Possibilty" accused murderer strangled her from behind which gave victim the "inability" to fight back and 15yr. old only had to hold this victim for a few seconds and any struggling would have ceased. Chances are, only struggling this 9yr.old victim did was in first 14 seconds was trying to get that scarf from around her neck. Fact is that the 15yr old was arrested for 1st degree murder. We all know that means premeditated. You think the only thing 15yr old did in advance was dig the grave? I don't!

INCASE:
Thank you, I didn't think there was blood, you've given me reasons why, I'm afraid I'm naive in the gore areas, or I really just don't want to know. But yes, this was premeditated, where else is the thrill but for the days of thinking about it?
This girl is really in need of the death penalty in order to save future lives, even those in prison, she is one of the most dangerous serial killers ever to be on this planet, and I say this in all seriousness.

I never thought of this as a gift, it just "happens", I mean I can channel a thought toward a person and pick up events, but I don't think it is something that I can do that everyone else cannot do also. You just clear your thoughts and concentrate for a moment, sometimes two moments. :-)
But sometimes I won't be thinking of the person at all and suddenly I see something that a person is about to do, like once our family was at a red light that changed green, my son was driving, I told him to wait a second before he went forward. A second later a tractor with a gasoline loaded fueltanker ran the red at full speed.
We would have been killed on our way to Disney World.
People just need to "listen." I guess I should change my previous saved number three, Ive thought about it, it's more. :-)

Robin:

I love reading your stories and I would love to hear more about them.

Robin: not sure if I would refer to this as a gift. I also have abilities that are upsetting and can torment the heck out of me. The night EO went missing, the first broadcast, I was overwhelmed by a horrible anxiety. I looked at my spouse and the first words out of my mouth was "EO is already dead, SHE killed her, EO knew HER!" I could not sleep at all that night. I felt horrible knowing there was nothing I could do. I also knew EO body was so close to home. I also knew the initials "AB" and it would not let my mind rest. At that time thought maybe Abby, Abigail, etc..I really don't like this ability at all. It can be very disturbing. RIP "EO"

I think I need a shrink

Ok, a favorite brother in law was murdered in Phoenix Labor day 30 years ago. He passed a guy without signaling at when they met at a red light, the irrate (illegal alien) got out of his truck and sliced my brother in laws throat. My b-in-l hand wife had just had a baby 6 weeks earlier.
I never saw it coming.

20 years ago, his younger brother, who I hadn't seen in over 10 years was about to board a plane the next day in Texas. i saw a crash. I phoned my mother in law and got my brother in laws phone no in Texas. i called him, told him I liked his beard (no one in the family new he was wearing a beard) and I told him of the crash...he stayed home, the plane crashed.

WHY, WHY, WHY did I not see my favorite, but I saw the one I had no contact with? Oh of course my mother in law is forever grateful, she says she could never bear to have lost two sons, but do you see my TORMENT?
This is no gift. This is hell
And what of those who did die on the crash, what good did it do them? So what?

Incase,,I read the newspaper yesterday,and in it was something I found interesting. They dont "charge" juviniles..They haven't charged this girl with anything,,They're "detaining" her..Some say it's for her own protection. Some say,it's because she killed a girl. Nobody really knows except the police..Also,just becauase they never said anything about blood,,that don't mean there was none..they haven't said alot of things pertaining to this case,because they simply don't want us, (the public) to know,for their own reasonas,and I'm sure they have plenty. But, You might be right. Maybe she was a professional killer,and knew exactly how to hold a girl and kill her without any struggle at all.With-in 7-14 seconds. Maybe there was no blood. Like I said before there are lots and lots of Maybies in this. And Maybe,,Just Maybe ,,,she didn't do it at all? Who knows,but her,and whoever really did kill the girl, if it "was" somebody else that is.

to gift
You got it
it is mostly torment

Mark:

In Texas they do charge juveniles as adults but do not give death penalites to juveniles. Their option is life in prison. I think AB needs to be put away for a long time. I haven't heard anything new about her, does anyone know if her name was leaked to the public.

It's my understanding, Mark, which I personally saw and so did thousands of others the update on the arrest of AB. "15yr.old arrested on charges of 1st degree murder." Juvenile being held to see if she would be charged as adult or juvenile. She is charged, but not convicted yet. Who knows, she may never be convicted and charges dropped. Time will tell. Too many stories going on. I never said there was no blood, I personally have no idea. Just a scenario. Never insinuated that AB is "professional" killer either. You seem to turn things a bit. I mean nothing personal in my comments. They are strickly "just" comments like everyones else's.

Robin.....one potential murder not not make a serial killer.

she either IS or wants to be, perhaps more wants to be, a serial killer, she said so herself on her own page, I didn't make it up, she said it

I've never heard of anyone being put in jail for their own protection, outside of Agatha Christie. I don't think I'm THAT naive. Perhaps her charge is not yet official because her standing is not yet official, but that does not mean that she is not in CUSTODY for SUSPICION of FIRST DEGREE MURDER, perhaps after the 18th she will name her accomplice if there is one, but I think she may want the glory for herself. (just a personal theory)

Robin.....I saw a twitter page of her with a picture taken about 1 yr ago....she had sparkly eyes...was smiling and had a friendly look to her....I then saw a picture of her taken just a few months prior to this incident.....she has the goth look with black makeup...her eyes looked dead... her arms look like she's anorexic. I really wonder what happened to her in those few months to cause such a drastic change. I'm in no way defending her. If she committed the crime then she needs to pay big time for it....but it sure makes you wonder how anybody can go through such a drastic change. It really is quite strange. Unfortunately there wasn't enough of her arm showing to see if she was cutting herself but that's the impression I got from her home page

A lot of things can make a person change like that I guess.
They can change because the want to.
Because of drugs
Because of depression
Group pressure (wanna be like a group)
Maybe she was dressed for a Halloween party (sorry) that was uncalled for
It's a sad situation all the way around, any way you look at it. There's no turning back. It doesn't matter what changed her, it won't fix what happened to Elizabeth.

Tvix I understand what you are saying but think a little wider
most children are innocent - he ones that commit crimes like these are deviants and the adults who predate on children are also deviants - this is what society is trying to protect itself from

Incase..If ya look at the "news trabune" in jefferson city mo. you can find it on-line at www.newstribune.com and look up date 11/08/08. That'll be this last Sunday's paper,,it has a "rundown" on juvinile charges. It says in there,,(I read it all) about how they don't "charge" juvies like that,and why. I'm not trying to start anything here,,but where did ya read the "update" if not on here..The peper had the words of the prosicuter,,and I'm just thinking he might be right when it comes to the laws. Maybe on this site they did say she was "cherged". I just want to make myself clear,,I only said what I saw in the local paper here, in Jeff City.

Maria,,Her name has been leaked out ofcorse,being a fairly small town,,but I'd rather not say it again on here.(sorry)And your're all right,,If she really did the crime she's accused of,she should pay dearly. But there's always that tiny chance,,maybe she didn't..We need to not "jump the gun" and convict a girl,,(or anybody else for that matter) before all the evinence is in,and the person is convicted "in a court of law" as somebody put it. Like I said numorous times,,I am NOT trying to protect her or say she didn't do it,,because like you all,,I simply don't know. And,I appologize if I "twisted" or "turned" anything, because it was not my intention to do so.

Mark:

I know her name because it was all over the place and I had seen her pictures. She looked like a normal little girl. I was just wondering what the media was going to do. I knew she was going to appear in court, but nothing has been heard and was just wondering if anyone had any updates. I would assume she is still being held without bond.

Gift:

You remind me of the movie The 6th Sense. I see the little boy scared of seeing all of these people all over the place, and while it is a movie, I can still see your point. It’s a gift in that you might be able to help or have a few insights to a case that is on-going or unsolved. A curse because it torments you. The only good thing about this sad case is that the family had a little girl to bury and some closure. I see the case of Haleigh Cummings. A beautiful missing little girl and no one knows where she is or what happened to her. I can only think that she is no longer with us. I feel for the family because I would die if my 7 year old was missing and months went on and still no word from her.

In this case of Elizabeth. I too feel bad for both families. One because Elizabeth was taken away so young and for a senseless motive and secondly, for Alyssa’s family, for having to live with the guilt and shame for what Alyssa did. I cannot imagine being a friend of hers and notice that there is something not right with her and not comment about it or address someone about it. I could not be friends with a person who had thoughts of killing someone or hurting them. To me, if Alyssa had so many problems, then take your life before taking some one else’s. And, I am not supporting taking one’s life, but, come one… why hurt another human being just because…..

Ok, so I have strayed a little.

Maria...I have heard that on the 18th she will be appearing in court via video cam....I would imagine any charges are still pending waiting for the results of the next court case. From what I understand charges will be different depending on if she's tried as an adult or a juvenile. I'm not positive of anything I have just posted...it's only what I have heard.

The teacher that died(suicide) had a terminal illness and prognosis was very bad. He was already missing work, and very sick when he could be at work(teaching).

Pete Kotz said:

You're right, HRM. There will be a hearing on the 18th when prosecutors petition to try her in adult court. Given the nature of the crime, I don't think there's any doubt she'll be tried as an adult -- but you never know.

Mark: I also have seen articles in Jefferson City Mo "Tribune". Hopefully on No.18 we will all find out that she is charged as adult. It's the authorities that are seeking charges of murder, not me. She is being held in juvenile custody until that time. Charges against juveniles are determined by the crime committed and the mental status of the juvenile.

HRM..Hopefully they find her able to be charged as an adult,if she is actually guilty of the crime she's accused of

Poor Elizabeth. I hope that she gets justice. Punish all involved. I too, think she did not do this alone.

Off subject, FREE THE WEST MEMPHIS 3. Learn the case, and sign the petition. Get these innocent men out of jail, before it is too late. They are not child killers. The real killer(s) of these three children are still out there. Get involved and change an injustice done to these men. Thank you.

People who commit adult crimes need to be tried as adults. Teenagers are able to tell right from wrong. Knowing that killing people is wrong is absolutely trivial and can be expected at a much earlier age.
Besides, people who are dangerous should not have the chance to harm others. Criminals aren't born at the age of 25, but start their criminal careers much earlier than that. We need to stop them before they're pulling a giant blood trace after themselves.
This type of crime is unacceptable. Also other criminals need to know that there are limits and violence is not tolerated, wether someone is stupid or not 18 yet. This act of violence has crossed the line of endurability.

Glimmer:

I agree with you 100 percent... also, you have to wonder what is going on at home for these teens to do these kinds of acts. Is there no adult supervision? Are parents not involved in the up-brining of their children? I would think that if my daughet shuts down, I would notice that there is something wrong with her and try to get help for her before she breaksdown and does some type of horrible crime.

Maria it seems you've missed most of the story on AB. Her father is in prison and her mother is a drug addict that is also in and out of jail. She and her brothers were turned over to the grandparents and then her younger half sister was also turned over to them. I am in no way defending her but when you see the contrast in pictures that were taken just a few months apart everybody that knew her should have seen something bad was coming.

HRM:

I knew about AB's parents not being around, but if she is with her Grandmother, then, shouldn't she have noticed something, or friends at school, shouldn't they go and talk to a teacher about this or their own parents. I am a parent, and my daughter does not have her father around, but, it is my job to be both parents to my daughter and I also have the responsibility to try to raise her to have morals, values and self-worth. I would think that others think as me, but then again.... I've been wrong before.

my heart goes out for the family of elizabeth olten her death was un called for the killer waas having a mental brake down my heart goes out to you

Lots of info on AB on websleuths.com. Click on missing/found,then click on EO's name. Locals of St.Martin,Mo are talking, go read their comments. AB is the only suspect in the murder of EO, no other person of interest.

responding to chris: If you loved your friend alyssa the murderer so much, why didnt you reach out and help her before she killed that adorable, sweet Elizabeth child? If alyssa murdered someone in your family, would you still see her as this 'great person'. Sadly and sorry to say, this girl alyssa deserves the DEATH PENALTY!

Sometimes "demons" take human form and society needs and deserves to be protected from them.

If she had a mental illness, perhaps she did get help but with reduced state funding, maybe she was given only minimal assistance through the mental health system. This is a prime example of why we need health care reform in our country. Soon, people who need mental health treatment will be turned away. It's sad to think we use the word "demon" when this girl probably experienced trauma and abuse in her life that caused her anger and rage. It's very sad to think what might have been going on in her life to cause her to act out in such a horrible manner.

does anyone remember death of a cheerleader. Teens kill people her name was bernadette protti and she got out after 4 years and changed her name moved away and never told her new family what she did at that age. I think she should have never gotten out. I believe this girl needs to be put in jail after be psycho analyzed to see if mental capacity is an issue.

to Ms dennis, i thought about that cheerleader just the other day......
I'm waiting for the 18th
trials seem to take a LONG time....no swift justice for the dead....I feel for the families...
btw, some one posted a weird post above in my name, something about deviats, that wasn't mine

Kids murdering kids, these days, it's bad enough that adults do it... What is this world coming to???

Oh, don't worry. Since it's a female, people will come out of the woodwork to come up with an excuse for her crime. I read of an 11 year old boy recently being charged as an adult for murder. I think that's going too far, but since it was a male, of course he will be treated more harshly. Females almost always get a pass in some way. I don;t expect this case to be any different. Expect her to be out on the streets in less than 20 years.

Sonja. Nobody knows what this world is coming to,but you can bet,it aint good,. It seems to be gettin worse by the year,,parcially because there is so many more people,and also,we see more of it because we can see so much more than we use to...Internet,TV,,so-forth,,
Atleast tomorrow we'll know if they try AB as an adult. I myself think they will. No tellin how long she'll spend in jail,if in fact she did it. I personaly think she did,but I also think she either had help,or "was" the help..Then again,what if she was "caught up" in some other ill fortuned plan,of somebody else..Did she lead the cops to EOs body out of fear for herself? Or because she actually killed the girl. I would think she would lead them more out of fear before she would if she killed someone..thinkin about it,I wouldn't lead them if I killed someone,,I wouldn't send a text the the deciests parents,,(I heard EOs parent got a text, telling them to "check out a certain address") That's only a rumer as far as I know,,but what if it's true? Ya see how many "what ifs " there are just in this short statement? There are sure to be many more before we find out any real truths in this case. We have to keep an open mind as to AB in this..Just incase one of them "what ifs are right". Because she's in jail right now,that don't mean she definately killed Elizabeth. Although,,I'm afraid it don't look good for her.

Its official. AB will be tried on a second degree murder as a juvenile. She will spend the next 2-3 years in a juvenile center, being treated and getting an education. At age 18, she will head towards higher education and be re-inserted to society. Elizabeth's relatives will still be in jail at that time.

Is there any update on anyone else being arrested in this case? (such as the boyfriend)

She will be tried as an adult.Not sure where ABS got there info.

She is being tried as an adult. YES!

I don't know where you got your info ABS. She is standing trial as an ADULT, not a juvenile. They even have her photo in the paper.

From The Columbia Tribune Weds. 11/18/09

Teen certified as adult in Olten case

Published November 18, 2009 at 9:54 a.m.
Updated November 18, 2009 at 10 a.m.

Fifteen-year-old Alyssa Bustamante has been certified to stand trial as an adult in Cole County as a suspect in the killing of 9-year-old Elizabeth Olten.

Alyssa Bustamante
Bustamante is expected to appear in court this afternoon.

Olten's disappearance last month set off a two-day search in the area near her home in St. Martins before her body was found Oct. 23.

She has been certified to stand trial as an adult, arraignment for 1 pm today.

They're charging her with 1st degree murder,as an adult. The highway patrol that found Elizabeth,(with Alyssa's help) said she told him "she wanted to see what it felt like" and he also said she did dig 2 graves the friday before,and one was for Elizabeth,but the judge cut him off before he said who the sacond one was for.

I made that comment yesterday to see the reactions of people today, especially those who want her to die or be in prison for the rest of her life, without knowing her past or how the crime was committed.
Well, it's being said that she will be tried as an adult. However, I'm sure her lawyer will try to appeal that certification and seek the juvenile system. This girl cannot be put in a regular prison now or never. She will kill herself or perhaps learn more about criminal life and keep on behaving delinquently for another 80 years, as a career criminal in prison.
That being said, I think the court system needs to help her, rather than send her to jail and meet hardcore criminals, and believe her crime and crimes are a normal thing, just by seeing the number of inhabitants among the corrections system.
I hope the case takes a 180 degree turn, and see her as a mentally ill adolescent, rather than a criminal adult.
Peace and love,
ABS

ABS. good thinkin..I just wonder tho,,too many "what if's" in this deal,,I'm curious to see the outcome of the trial,,if there is one..but I heard to day on the news,I believe it was,,the judges desision today cannot be appealed.

Why are you worried about her killing herself?

Killing herself would be an easy way out of this. By her living and serving a life sentence, we can learn a bit more about what makes kids like this do what they do--kill. Maybe that knowledge can be put to good use in prevention? I know it costs tax payers money when life sentences are served, but it may be worth the cost if we can prevent others from repeating the same crime. Something went terribly wrong with this teen. We need to learn as much as we can from what made her do this in order to stop other teens from doign the same.

é triste o que acontece no mundo!

ABS-I get what you're saying. However, I have to go back to the victim in this case, a 9 year old girl who had her life cut short at this girls hands. I don't believe in the death penalty, so seeing the 15 yr old die, never entered my mind, but I do think she needs to be punished. Many of us have come from terrible circumstance. That does not excuse her actions. Even if she is found guilty, she's not going to be 15 when she goes to prison. It will be more like 17 or 18. Until then, she'll sit in a cushy juvenile facility, where she WILL get mental health treatment, three squares a day, and an education.

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Which is a lot more than Elizabeth got.

Su,good point in her being found guilty at a later date...
also, I read that her attorney said that by sending her to an adult prison, we'll be throwing away a child. I honestly don't even know how he could say that considering she "threw away" Elizabeth.

Someone dropped the ball here. But pointing the finger doesn't
help anybody. We must find solutions insted. Both families, including alyssa will be in my prayer.

Marmee: I read that her attorney said that by sending her to an adult prison, we'll be throwing away a child. I honestly don't even know how he could say that considering she "threw away" Elizabeth.

To Marmee: if your son raped another boy, would you like your son to be raped by an adult gay male in prison?

ABS- With all due respect, she IS a hardcore criminal, she murdered a little girl, stabbing, strangling, and slicing her....how much more "hard core" would you like it to get?

Abs get real and go eat some cookies. I would never raise a rapist but, if I did such a bad job as a parent, I guess my child would deserve what they get, as I would.

ABS, what is your relationship to the accused? The only people that I can see defending her in any way are family members or close friends. Or a nutcase. Which are you?

She is not 18 so there is a chance she will not be tried as an adult. If she does get tried as an adult. She will be out of prison by the time she is 21. She will go under psychiatric evaluations. By the time she is 18, she will plead to the Judge that she was 15 and didn't know what she was doing. Her psychiatric evaluations will be enough to have her out by the time she is 21. A fifteen year old should know that murder is wrong. If this was just a "senseless act" she IS the definition of a murderer. If she is released when she is 21 because of a "mental disorder" then you might as well release everyother murderer.

She murdered a girl because she wanted too. Keep her in prison or some kind of confinement hopefully she wont get any sympathy from the courts....ever.

-andrea(22) dallas, Ga.

WELL MY HEART GOES OUT TO ELIZABETH AND HER FAMILY, AS FAR AS ALYSSA, I DONT CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR, AS LONG AS SHE IS OFF THE STREET'S AND AWAY FROM SOCIETY, SHE IS A DANGER TO THIS SOCIETY, NOW I HAVE HEARD THAT SHE NEEDS MED'S AND SHE HAD A TOUGH CHILD HOOD, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE IS NOT EXCUSE WHY SHE DID WHAT SHE DID, THERE ARE ALOT OF PPL WHO HAD A TOUCH CHILD HOOD AND ON MEDS OR NEEDS MEDS AND DONT GO DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SHE KNEW RIGHT FROM WRONG, AND IT WAS PREMEDATED, SHE DUG UP 2 GRAVES, AND SHE JUST NEEDED TO BODIES, IF THEY DIDNT CATCH HER, ON THE 1ST MURDER, TRUST ME, SHE WOULD OF COMMITED A SECOND, SHE DONT NEED MEDS, SHE NEEDS TO BE IN PRISON, AND TRIED AS AN ADULT, SO SHE NEVER GETS OUT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THE DEATH PENALTY BUT I KNOW THEY CANT GIVE IT TO HER, BECAUSE OF HER AGE, SHE NEEDS TO BE PUT AWAY FOR LIFE, THERE IS NO EXCUSE'S AS TO WHAT SHE DID, NONE AT ALL, AND I DONT CARE WHAT HER FAMILY SAYS!

ABS-
You really are a drama queen arent you? You wouldnt happen to love cookies would you?

I agree with XYZ-I have a 5 year old and if she was anything like Alyssa mental illness or not I would hand her over to the authorities my self and let them decide whether she gets JAIL for LIFE or in a mental facility for LIFE. I would not risk another life-who can assure us 100% she will not kill again?? NOBODY.

HRM: Did you really have to bring up the whole "goth" and "emo" thing? It seems like every time there is a murder, or what have you, we have to find something to blame it on. Just like "gamers" are now being labeled as murderers. Its not like all goths, emos, and gamers go around killing people. I just don't see why its relevant.

To Chris and Amanda: I am in disbelief here. Your "best friend" killed someone, not to mention someone who was only 9 years old and was apparently a very sweet and innocent girl, and you're trying to defend her? So she had depression! ALOT of people have depression. So she had a bad life! Not everyone's life is peachy keen, in fact, barely anyone's is. She was a nice girl? Apparently not.

I don't care if she allegedly had mental problems. She planned the murder, and watched her die. Even if she was criminally insane, that wouldn't be okay.

How dare you try to excuse her from something like this! Mental illness or not, SHE MURDERED A NINE YEAR OLD GIRL. Do you not understand that? There is no excuse for an innocent girl's life being taken away from her, for no reason at all. Absolutely none. Even if she grew up in a bad family, she should know right from wrong. From the time we are young, and I mean really young, we know its bad to hurt people. We all have some sort of moral compass.

She was 15. Thats plenty grown in my opinion. I mean, god, even 5 year olds know that murder is sick.

I just don't understand how you can excuse her from her crime just because of her age, or her surroundings. Regardless of her life, she killed a 9 year old girl. There is NO excuse for that.

This is a rage driven fantasy killing. Displaced rage fosters violent fantasies in the immature minds of children who are victims of some type of abuse. This abuse need not be physical, only something that is enough to provoke extreme rage. The young mind is irreparably damaged and a sociopath is born.
The stunning thing about this case is the gender and age of the offender. I can not recall anything quite like it. The offender in a case like this is almost always male. Females are sometimes accomplices. Male offenders fantasize about committing their crimes for years before acting out. There is a sexual aspect to their crimes.
There is no doubt that this was a fantasy killing. The statement that she "wanted to know what it felt like" proves that it was a premeditated killing intended to act out a fantasy. It is also likely she picked out her victims long before she acted out her fantasy. The act of killing did not fulfill her fantasy which is why there was only one victim and not two. Killing is not an easy thing to do. Killing for the sake of self gratification is even harder which is why murders of this type, thankfully, are rare.
While it is well established that fantasy killers remain a threat throughout their lives, the source of this girls rage will evoke sympathy from many. We need to keep aware that the sociopath is incurable.

HLil....nowhere did I say

I cant not belive this happend. she said she wanted to know what is felt like to kill some one. Thats just cazy. Im a mother of 2 and if it was me in there shoe I would go all the way for Alyssa"s death. She took a child form her family for no reason at all. It ws sensless and stupid. My prays are with the Olten family. I also have prays for the Bustamante in hopes they will recover from ther childs actions.

HLil lets try this again....nowhere did I mention goth or emo. I simply stated that the contrast in the pictures should have been a cue that she needed help!!! If you look at the 2 different pictures I'm talking about (the first one is posted above) and the second one showed an extremely thin washed out person with eyes of death. Her eyes in the second picture were totally blank...like looking into a well. THAT ALONE should have been a cue to the grandmother, the school, friends parents or somebody that knew her that something was wrong. Had somebody tried to help her EO would still be alive. As for your ranting and raving it doesn't matter what upbringing you have if you have a screw loose then you have a screw loose. That's not an excuse it's a fact of life. As for feeling hate....I don't have the time. Not only would my hate and rage never reach AB but it would tear my life apart. I prefer to put my emotions toward the victim and the victims family. I can't imagine what the family and friends of EO are going through and my heart goes out to all.

I'm almost at a loss for words when I read how this lovely little 9 year old Elizabeth Olten was murdered so viciously by another girl age 15. I also read that someone posted if this girl goes to prison she'll become a hardcore criminal.....are you kidding? This girl IS a hardcore criminal already. Infact she could teach a few of the inmates a thing or two....For her to have planned this murder of an innocent child, digging 2 count them 2 graves, she planned to kill someone else too. Yes she is being tried as an adult as she should be. She is a person who has no soul, empty and without a care for anyone except the thrill she got from killing Eliabeth. She is a sociopath and can never be cured. All the medical help she gets will do nothing at all for her.
I pray for the Olten family who will need all the strength to get through this horific time that is ahead of them.

Those Mexicans are "hard workers."

This is unbelievable, 15 years old involved in a crime-no appearance of remorse, no crying-wow. Here in florida we had a group of teens who set their x friend on fire-over a stupid situation. This kid has survived the burning-and is currently fighting for his life and has nightmares on a regular basis. How does this happen? Kids have to be taught from an early age the preciousness of life. I taught those simple things to my kids. I remember though, going around and showing my kids birds nest when they were really young, they were so careful to watch, not touch, etc, but that soon stopped when we found out the neighborhood kids were going around looking for baby birds to kill(I'm not talking hunting-pure cruelty-meanness). I tell you what, if they can kill or harm an animal (and believe me, I'm not a tree hugger), I'm sure they will be our next murderer and serial killers. I remember getting onto this kid in the neighborhood-it was all a joke-no big deal, no remorse... Wake up parents! Jeffrey Dahmer killed animals for fun-cruelty. Studies have suggested that most serial killers were animal abusers.

My heart goes out 2 Elizabeth Olten family. She should be tried as a adult. Half the reason why their are so many hate crimes is because ppl know that it is acceptable , they can just say they are insane & walk the streets again . Nobody ever thinks about the victim & their family they have all these opinions that are not based on the fact that what if your child was murdered, everyone has mental issues , but that is no excuse to put this person back on the streets. Grown men rape lil' girls and they get 3 yrs in jail because they had a hard life. In foreign countries you steal they chop off your hands, you think their jails are over crowded please. Yes
Alyssa Bustamante is 15 , but she took a life that could have been your child, if your child was the victim would you say charge her as a child ? NO THE F*** YA WOULDN"T !!!!!

That person who asked about the murderes race is ignorant as fuck , and assumed it was a minority . Hate sees no color and that question is half the reason why this world is so fucked up. These children are raised thinking that racial hate or bias's are acceptable against gender, race age discrimination or whatever . Hate is usually taught in the home whether it is someone making fun of another for being over weight , young , old , disabled . Our schools can help prevent hate from the homes there is on interculteral communications class's, the problem is there are ways to help prevent shit like this. IGNORANCE IS THE REASON FOR A SENSELESS MURDER !!! But guess what this 9 year old girl has no chance at a future because another human being thought it was okay to take away her future. If this 15yr old gets medical help & let out who will the next victim be your child? Cry for help or not ELIZABETH had a name her right to live was taken away. I could understand a second chance & to be charged as a child if she was molested , and killed that person or killed , maybe her parent that beat her. But to murder a CHILD that could have been mine. That does not deserve forgiveness. SHE TOOK AWAY ELIZABETH'S CHANCE TO , GET A KISS FROM HER MOTHER, PLAY WITH HER SISTER , GO TO PROM , GRAD. FROM COLLEGE, HAVE HER OWN BABIES, HER FAMILY NEVER GETS TO SEE ELIZABETH'S BEAUTIFUL SMILE !!!!

Elizabeth is DEAD !!! That is the person that should be considered . it is easy for everyone to think that she should be charged as a child and that is because it is not your child that was murdered , half the reason why ppl take the law into their own hands is because the family of the victim is forgotten.If we were able to murder the ppl that murdered our children a lot less senseless murders would occur. Cause and Effect a child that had a name is dead !!! No one cares about the opinion of a ignorant person that says what about the KILLER, lol she had a CHOICE. If Elizabeth is charged as a child she will most likely be out by the time she is 18. She will get to live as if she didn't kill a CHILD . Closeminded opinions is why ppl offend you have seen dateline NBC , offenders repeat their actions some ppl's minds are not made the same science proves that , a dog repeatedly bites ppl that dog gets put to sleep ! I think this 15 yr old girl is old enough and her family knew she displayed signs of a offender and they ignored them.. EVERYONE HAS HAD A HARD LIFE , HAD MENTAL ISSUES, BUT MURDER'S ARE SMARTER THAN WE THING THEY DO RESEARCH ON CRIMES BEFORE THEY COMMIT THEM ! A CHILD SHE ISN'T SHE IS A , BUT THE VICTIM WAS !!!

To the cousin of the murder, since you obviously knew your cousin had mental issues you should have acted like you cared about this 15 yr old child before she murdered someone. The suicide rate is so high because ppl don't have family they can turn to , you care so much about your 15 yr old cousin. CRY ME A RIVER SHE KILLED A 9 YR OLD CHILD, THAT HAS A FAMILY THAT LOVES HER, THAT NEVER HARMED A SOUL . I YOU & YOUR FAMILY CAN BLAME YOURSELVES SINCE YOU ALL KNOW YOUR COUSIN HAD PROBLEMS AND SAID " OHHHHH IT'S NOTHING " THAT WAS HER CHANCE , BUT WHERE IS ELIZABETH'S . ITS EASY FOR YOU TO SAY OOOOOOH GIVE MY COUSIN ANOTHER CHANCE , WHY SO SHE CAN MURDER SOMEONE YOU LOVE. IF YOUR COUSIN MURDERED YOUR MOM WOULD YOU SAY CHARGE HER AS A CHILD??? JUST CURIOUS? ARE YOU GOING TO THE VICTIMS FUNERAL? HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICTURES OF SOMEONE'S MURDERED CHILD NAME ELIZABETH? WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF YOUR COUSINS NEXT VICTIM WAS YOUR CHILD ? ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR COUSIN? YOU AND YOUR FAMILY KNEW THAT YOUR COUSIN NEEDED HELP , DID YOU ASK YOUR AUNT TO PUT YOUR COUSIN IN A PSYCO WARD BEFORE SHE MURDERED A CHILD SINCE YOU KNEW THERE WERE SIGNS NO !!! sO HOW MUCH DID YOU LOVE YOUR COUSIN? YOUR DIDN'T YOU TURNED THE OTHER CHEEK JUST SO SHE COULD KILL A 9 YR OLD CHILD , THAT IS THE CHILD , YOUR COUSIN IS A MURDER . yOU STIICKING UP FOR YOUR CHILD WHEN IT IS TOO LATE THAT IS YOUR GUILTY CONSIOUS WHO HELPED ENABLE A PERSON YOU KNEW AS YOU SAID NEEDED MEDS. ITS FUNNY HOW PPL COMMIT CRIMES AND THE FAMILY SAYS OOOOH THEY NEED MENTAL HELP!!!!!!!!! AFTER IT IS TOO LATE AND THEY STATE THEY KNEW , DOESN'T THAT MAKE YOU JUST AS GUILTY !!?? IF YOUR COUSIN GETS OUT IN 5YRS AND KILL YOUR MOTHER WOULD YOU STILL THINK THAT YOUR COUSIN SHOULD OF GOT CHARGED AS A CHILD . YOUR COUSIN DOESN'T NEED TO BE ENABLED THAT IS WHY SHE DID THIS !!! SO THANK YOURSELF BECAUSE A MOTHER LOST HER 9 YR OLD BBY GIRL & NOW YOU ARE WORRIED BOUT YOUR COUSIN !!!

yOU CAN TELL YOUR COUSIN THAT IT IS OKAY ALL YOU WANT , " OOOOOOOH ITS OKAY YOU NEED HELP" BUT YOU KNEW THAT , AND WHO IS SUFFERING THE FAMILY THAT IGNORED AND ENABLED A CHILD TO MURDER, AND TAUGHT HATE . oF THE FAMILY OF A 9 YR OLD BBY THAT IS NOW DEAD , BECAUSE OF YOUR COUSIN THAT WILL ROT IN HELL !!!!

Traditionally, teens have been known to have their issues. Sometimes it's part of growing up & sometimes really bad stuff happens to them as a child or recently... such as abuse(sexual/physical/mental,etc.) & have lowself esteem or a very distorted self image or they have to deal w/school(grades, teachers, peers)or family issues that they have a hard time dealing with. Typically, that can lead to anxiety/depression or eratic behavior.
The teenage years are typically filled w/ experimenting for fun or for ways to cope w/ themselves & situations. Some ways teens may experiment or find ways to cope might involve cutting themselves, doing drugs/alcohal, have way too much sex w/ people who don't care about them truly ( not nessarily always the case- i'm not suggesting that teens who have sex arnt in loving relationships. Relationships are hard & sometimes I think teens go from one relationship to another, too fast & sometimes end up hurting themself emotionally before they even realize it.), and/or thoughts of death and suicide.
If they indulge in this behavior to escape from their problems, typically it makes things much worse for them mentally & emotionally whether they realize this or not. I'm not saying this is what every teenager goes through, but many teens do express feelings of despair & not enough proper ways to cope or vent their feelings w/ people who can help them through this time in their life. I'm not defending what AB did, and I feel great sorrow for the loss of EO, but I think we should try to understand why AB felt so curious about the idea of murder that she actually commited it. I'm hoping that the next generation of teens doesnt switch from suicidal thoughts/actions to homicidal thoughts/actions b/c it's just another sign that our youth needs us to hear them loud & clear, NOW MORE THAN EVER!
So if these these thoughts do happen, I hope they stay thoughts, and hopefully go away very soon. If you don't think your qualified to help your child/teen with whatever they're going through, please take the initiative & responsibility to get the the professional help they might desparetly need. I hope this is the last time something like this happens again.
Sadly, I fear it may just be the beginning. I pray to anyone that may be listening that I'm wrong. Again, my consolences to both families-especially to the victims family. It saddens me that things have come to this and I hope they get much better.

CHILD FACILITIES HAVE CABLE AS SUE WOULD SAY 4 SQUARES A DAY AND LEGAL DRUGS !!!! THAT IS NOT A PUNISHMENT THAT IS A PAT ON THE BACK !!!

CHIDLREN THESE DAYS ARE PATTED ON THE BACK ,OOOOOH JOHNNY DIDN'KNOW , JOHNNY IS JUST A CHILD HERE IS A COOKIE. JOHNNY HITS HIS MOM AT 15 CAUSE HE HAS DONE IT SINCE HE WAS 3. HE DOESN'T KNOW BETTER. THAT IS WHAT OUR WORLD IS COMING TO WE SPANK JOHNNY FOR HITTING HIS MOTHER , MOTHER TURNS HER CHEEK AND LETS JOHNNY HIT HER. JOHNNY GROWS UP AND PUNCHES HIS PREGNANT WIFE IN THE STOMACH , OR BEATS HIS GF WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME !! THE FAMILY OF THIS 15 YR OLD CARES SO MUCH , WHY THE HELPED ENABLE A 15 YR OLD. THEY SHOULD BE IN JAIL ALSO . CAN YOU UNGAY SOMEONE, NO !!!!!! CAN YOU FIX A MURDERER NO!!! THAT IS A BRAIN EMBALANCED THAT CAN NOT BE FIXED , HER FAMILY HELPED MAKE A MESSED UP CHILD MORE MESSED UP!!! DID THIS 15 YR OLD RESPECT HERSELF , WAS SHE IN SPORTS , DID SHE RESPECT HER MOM , WE KNOW SHE DIDN'T RESPECT HER BROTHER SHE LET HIM GET ZAPPED BY A FENSE, WHERE WAS HER FAMILY !!! THEY WERE TOO BUSY REPRODUCING OTHER KIDS TO NEGLECT!!!!!! eLIZABETH DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE , NEITHER SHOULD THIS 15 YR OLD A LIFE IN PRISON IS NESCESSARY THE SECOND GRAVE COULD HAVE BEEN FOR HER FAMILY.... WE DON'T KNOW BUT WE DO KNOW SHE MURDERED SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF HER ENABLING FAMILY !! TOO BAD !! ITS NEVER THE MURDER THAT GETS IT IS ALWAYS THE VICTIM , LOOK AT DRUNK DRIVERS . THIS 15 YR OLD DISPLAYED ACTS OF VIOLENCE THAT WAS TOLORATED , AS SEEN ON THE YOU TUBE VIDEOS !!!! SHE WAS COCKY AND SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE TO TAKE A LIFE!!!!! THAT DOES NOT DESERVE A CHANCE OUT OF PRISON !!!!

FOR THOSE WHO AGREE WITH CHARGING THIS PERSON AS A CHILD , READ THE BOOK " A CHILD CALLED IT "" AND TELL ME IF HE KILLED ANYONE WHEN HE WAS BEING ABUSED ???????? THIS 15 YR OLD GIRL IS A MONSTER IF SHE NEEDED HELP SHE SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED HER SCHOOL OR JUST KILLED HERSELF , BUT INSTEAD SHE MURDERED A SMALL CHILD !! THAT SAYS THAT SHE ISN'T A CHILD IN NEED OF HELP , SHE IS A MURDER IF SHE GETS CHARGED AS A CHILD I WON'T BE SHOCKED THAT IS SOCIETY SAYING ...."OOOOH SHE DIDN'T KNOW".

How much you wanna bet that this child is probably spoiled not in the sense of material but she runs her parents and they let her , that is her fault and her parents !!! its too late for the family to justify shit . If my child murdered someone i would have myself to blame that i had no control over my own kid , and my child for destroying someone else's family , i would visit my child in jail but i wouldn't think that ooooh johnny is a child, lets treat him that way. They would have to live w/ what thy did WHICH WAS MURDER! A LIFE IN PRISON NEEDED! THE FAMILY CAN LOVE THEIR CHILD FROM BEHIND BARS, THAT IS MORE THAN ELIZABETH'S FAMILY HAS !!

I wonder if anyone else has noticed yet that some of those weird tweets are actually song lyrics. I figured that they were so I copied one and sure enough it is takes you to some very disturbing guys site called Phillip Best.

Never mind, not really song lyrics just some weird dude posting all this crazy stuff...not sure what he is all about!!! Very strange but he has blogged about all her twitters and the murder

this reminds me of a scene out of the new micheal myers film. the one where it goes into his childhood and shows him killing the kid in the woods. i mean surely movies cant cause someone to do this but if someone is predisposed to emptyness and hate in their hearts this kind of food for the mind could take them to a whole nother place. where are her parents why cant they tell us how she was. i want to meet these people. and i belive dcs should step into their family and do a phych eval on every one of them and i also believe there she didnt kill the whole family while they slept

FIrst I would like to express my sincere prayers and thoughts to the family of Elizabeth. This was such a cruel act, for any one to do, and then you find out that the murderer is fifteen how awful. Her cousin is on here stating the fact that her cousin had mental issues. Well if you knew that it seems to me you really was not concerned until now, when she took this innocent little girl's life, I mean come on!!! What ever they decide to give her in the judicial system she deserves... NO ONE! has the the right to take a life. She was nine once and she made to the age she is now. I think she is a cold blooded murderer she planned this whole thing, that's why I know she can't be all that mental. I pray that Elizabeth rest in peace, because she is truly an angel, taken away too soon.

cynthia...she has been under the care of Pathway for 2 years.(since she tried to commit suicide) It seems to me her grandparents tried to get her some help but maybe the person treating her wasn't qualified to treat the type of mental illness she has.

bridgette....her parents gave up custody of her several years ago. her father is in prison(10 years) and her mother is a drug addict.
I have no way of confirming this...It's what I have seen on news reports.

what a bitch. she needs to get hit. like rihannah.

I can't believe some of these comments on here. This is such a sad case and I can't believe that it's getting turned into a racial issue. There are two families suffering here. Alyssa's and Elizabeth's families are trying to understand what has happened here. I don't condone what Alyssa did and I do think that she should be punished but let's all remember that her family has been affected by this as well.

Its going to be really hard for her attorney to defend the 15-year-old. I can see her lawyer pleading insanity though because the girl said "I did it just to see what it felt like"
CLEARLY from someone who is insane.
I hope shes in jail for quite some time.

I actually hope she gets the death sentence. We dont need someone walking on the streets with a mind like that.

This is a very disturbing situation.
I have had many experiences with people with 'mental issues' but honestly, can we say that this girl is truly insane (considering that this girl literally planned this murder and fooled the police & dogs for a while)?

Maybe this is just me but it seems that when anyone does something outrageously wrong, we try to blame their lack of sanity.

I think that the rule about the death penalty concerning individuals younger than 16 years is that they can't have it; however, I don't think this murderer (murderer, not mentally unstable child) deserves to live. I ESPECIALLY don't believe that if she were to be locked up for life she should ever be able to come out.

That's sad that people can confuse insanity with evil. There is nothing insane or unstable about a child that can almost perfectly plan a murder and almost get away with it, nothing. I know some people may be a little nervous about speaking out about religion but you don't have to be 'religious' to mention that demons are indeed real. Insanity is an excuse that people give too lightly and then try to medicate. Medication doesn't take away 'insanity' , it covers it.

But that's just me..

My prayers go out to the family of this poor victim and the girl who comitted the crime and her family. May she be able to truly understand what she did and find it in her heart to ask forgiveness and be able to forgive herself.

This kid that did this should be locked up for life. Once a murderer always a murderer. Just because she is 15 does not mean we should think "oh she probably doesn't know what she's doing" just because of her age. She made a grown ass decision. I'm 21 and do not have the ballz to do that even if you fucking pissed me off. This kid deserves a beat down.

I also think that the media influences people to kill. (portray it all nonchalant) I'm sure a large percent of murders have to do with T.V., movies, and video games. "oh but it's entertainment" it's fun...

You guys are you listening to urslef.. USES are all fighting ova a 15 year old... Saying how evil she is and how she should get the dealth pently... I mean what happen if it was ur 15 year old neice or nephew think of doing the same thing becos she/ or he is MENTLY ILL....

I mean i cant see any of you guys going nuts about ur family member doing sum thing like.. U would b mad and angry, at people saying mean things about ur child/niece/nephew. Imagine what the Alyssa Grandparnets are going through, do you think they want to hear ppl going on about what the grandaughter should get.... NO....

I do agree with some ppl that she should get life in prison... but if she has already tryed to take her life, dnt that mean prision is the one place where she will take her life. I mean... wat is god and guna be evil by sending her to HELL.........

PPL JUST THINK IF THIS WAS UR CHILD/NEICE/NEPHEW/GRANDAUGHTER/GRANDSON.... WOULD U WANT PPL TO BE SAYIN EVIL THINGS ABOUT HIM/ OR HER?

i DO FEEL SORRY FOR ELIZABETH FAMILY DONT GET ME WRONG, NO CHILD SHOULD BE KILL BY A TEENAGER...

BUT IT GOES TO SHOW THAT ELIZABETH FAMILY NEVER CARED ABOUT HER, IF THEIR LETTING HER WALK HOME ALONE, EVEN IF IT IS ON THE SAME STREET, HER PARENTS SHOULD BE PICKING HER UP AND DROPPING HER OFF...

REST IN PEACE LIL ELIZABETH..

NO MATTER what she did she is still ''15'' you cant try her as an adult its wrong. I REALLY HOPE SHE DOSENT GET THE DEATH PENALTY:(. you people are monsters for wanting that i say she should go to an asylum...a real Micheal Myers would do nice to this boring world; Hey cousin of the 15yr old i am sorry this happened i were there i would give you a hug because you really need it.

First of all, I want to send my prayers, thoughts, and love out to both families. Yes you read that right, I said BOTH families.

Second, I have read pretty much every comment on here and I can tell you one thing for certain, I am sick of most of you people. Theories, speculations, pro-life, pro-choice, Mormons, Christians, so-called psychics, racist, and all around morons. This is not about coming on here and arguing your beliefs or non-beliefs. This is about a child murdered by another child. The ONLY things that should be posted on here are whatever you non-beliefers d in times like this and prayers from us belifers. Whether you agree with someone else, that's not the point. You wanna argue about something, go some where else.

Third, to all you people attacking alyssas "cousin" or "friends" you all know, or at least should know since most of you claim to be adults, that there are some sick people out there who will come to sites like this, post stuff like that just to ruffle peoples feather, just like with the racist stuff. They did that to add fuel to an already horrible out of control fire you people call your comments. And if by some miracle, they are actual CHILDREN, shame on you "adults" for attacking them. We all know that children are inpressionable. Hell, can any of you sit there and say you thought someone was one way and turned out another? They have the right to offer their support just like you have the right to call for her blood and make stupid comments that have no merit to this case whatsoever. Its called our right to free speech.

Now, to Latina. How dare you, or anyone for that matter, sit there and blame either family. If what I gather from your senseless seemingly never ending tirade, you blame alyssas family for not noticing her declining mental state, if she in fact had one. Well let me tell you a little story. I was diagnosed bipolar when I was 12, I am now 25. For 13 years my family has never understood my illness, even though they have tried. In fact for the longest time, they knew nothing about it for this simple reason: even in todays society having a mental illness means your "crazy.". Do you know what its like to be bipolar or depressed or any of the other mental illnesses there are? Until you do, do not sit there and pass judement on someone or on their family for how they cope and deal with it. What you would do is not exactlly what I would have choosen for my family to do with me.

Now, in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM am I condonning what happened to elizabeth, it is indeed horrible and very tragic. But it is also very obvious that with all the theories and speculations flying so wildily here that not all the facts are known.

Once again, our thoughts and prayers need to go out to both families. I agree with the people who said think of alyssas sister. How she must be feelin and going thru. Another child ruined by this horrible event. Yes true, she gets to live, but she gets to live with with stigma of being a murderers little sister.

Rest in peace little elizabeth. You are truely an angel now.

I dont think the girl should get the death penalty, two wrongs dont make a right she should sit behind bars the rest of her life an think about what she did.

thank you marie,,i liked that statement,,very truthfully said, and well put.my prayers also go out to both families,especially Alyssa's little sister and brothers.i hope both families find a way to overcome this very hard time they both have to look at,and find peice among eachother, and i hope all the kids in both families are able to go to school,church,or wherever,and not have to think,"what are they thinking, or saying behind my back".

HRM: I'm sorry if I misunderstood you comment. I assumed that you were saying that a way someone dresses is an adequate way to judge them. Once again, sorry.

SO MAD AT PPL: "I mean what happen if it was ur 15 year old neice or nephew think of doing the same thing becos she/ or he is MENTLY ILL.... "

No one here is angry at her because she's mentally ill. No one here is saying she should go to jail because she's mentally ill.

We're saying that she should go to jail because SHE KILLED SOMEONE.

If I found out a relative of mine murdered someone, with malicious intent and plans to do it again, I would shocked of course. I would feel betrayed. I wouldn't want them to go to jail. But that doesn't excuse their crime. The fact of the matter is that if people thought Alyssa was oh-so-lovely, they were obviously wrong. The Alyssa who killed Elizabeth is a different person, and thats who we want behind bars.

I do hope that both families are coping alright, though I'm sure they aren't. It will take time.

Maria: Well said. I agree.I have been reading these comments and was also getting fed up and tired of reading bull that has no real relation to the case. Bottom line this 15yr old girl committed a horrific crime which more than likely put her whole family in a state of shock. Two families are suffering and trying to deal with this. Alyssa needs to be put away for life. Please ppl...leave out the racist, bad upbringing statements, and all the what ifs out.

Its very hard on both families involved. My brother was murdered by a sociopath 13yrs ago. My brother knew this other person, but had know idea he was capable of murder. I have sympathy for both families involved. I have never gotten over my only brothers death, but have learned to deal with it and move on. I pray for the family of Elizabeth and Alyssa's family, but find it heard to personally pray for Alyssa.

I hope that little 15 year old MURDERER burns in hell!!

She obviously had mental issues and never recieved that pyschiatric care. What a waste of space. Threw away her own life. She's pure evil walking on this Earth. Sicko.

I just wanted to throw my "2 cents" in because I am a forensic psychology grad student and I have been researching psychopaths all semester.

First, she is not "insane." She killed with premeditation (e.g., the grave drug before the murder, her "twitter" about killing people). She was smart enough to hide the body so well that the police did nto find it- she told them where it was.

Saying you want to kill someone because you want to is sadistic antisocial behavior with poor impulse control. A psychopath wants something and that's it- they survive off of instant gratification. The lack of remorse though, is of greatest concern to me because a person without conscience is textbook psychopathy.

The recidivism rates for psychopathic individuals (and since she is under 18 I am supposed to reffer to her as a "child with psychopathic traits", but let's call a spade a spade) are much higher than other criminals- 2 times higher for crimes and 3x higher for violent and/or sexual crimes. As previously stated, if she is charged as a child she will be released at 21 and thus able to commit crimes against someone YOU love...

I know she is young but there are some wrongs you can't make right. I'm not saying she is 100% a psychopath because I have not interviewed her, nor am I a professional- yet :)- but obviously something is seriously wrong there. Society cannot afford what happened to the innocent Elizabeth to happen to someone else.

that's just my thoughts...

I feel terribly for Elizabeth's parents. I know what it is like to lose someone in your family to murder... Even to being stabbed to death. My brother, US Airman Richard England, was murdered October 29, 2007. I send my thoughts and prayers to the family. And I pray that Alyssa gets what is coming to her. It doesn't matter if she is "mentally incompetent" or not. She said that she killed her because "she wanted to know what it was like". That alone shows that she knew what she was doing. She will get what's coming to her.

I will be praying for both families. I can only imagine what both of you must be going through. My heart goes out to you all. God Bless.

The parents are at fault here not the 15 year old. She is 15.

ALI....you say she is not insane but what about a split personality? From all the interviews I have read from people she was friends with and kids at school they all say she was really sweet, friendly and funny. Then you see the twitter and facebook posts and pictures and she shows being evil. Would a split personality be possible? This is just a question to you as you seem to be able to research this better than I would be able to.

Eye for an eye, 15 year old strangles nine year old to death and burries her in the woods, elizabeth in heaven puts 15 year old to death with a rope and a tree and then burried in the middle of the woods
My prayers are with elizabeth and her family and I pray to God that CAPITAL JUSTICE will be brought to this hell demon

Just because one's family is "screwed up", does not mean you can blame what happened on the parents. That takes away all accountability away from the accused. I do not think that is right. The 15 yr. old, made the choice on her own and no one forced her to commit the murder. A person is not "fated" to be evil or good just based on how she or he was/is raised. In fact, those who are raised normally can still become pyscho-paths, murders,robbers,and so on just as much as those from "screwed up" families can become upstanding citizens. So to blame it on the parents is stupid.
As for mental illness, if she was and everyone knew, then why was she not treated? And yeah, if she is mentally unstable then she should get help but, I also believe she should pay to the full extent for her crime. Using the defense of mentally unstable even if she wasn't, will just be like giving a warning instead of giving the punishment. Thereby, giving the impression she can use the same excuss in the future if she wanted to. Is that something you want to encourage?
Lastly, is that if someone can, without any moral qualms ,take a life JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT, no other conflicting outside reasons(as in they made the choice on his or her own);then they should face the punishment, no matter the age.

unknown.....she has been under treatment since she tried to kill herself back in 2007. The treatment was through pathways as well as the school. I honestly feel she had several screws loose and something snapped, but that does not mean she should get away without any punishment.

The 15 year old was on the anti-depressant Prozac - practically untested on young people - homicidal effects ?

The 15 year old doesn't need to be tried as an adult - she is s a 15 year old - she doesn't need to be tried as anything - what she needs is counselling and time in a mental institution

Who knows what abuse alyssa - the eldest of her three siblings - endured at the hand of her imprisoned biological father and drug addicted mother - before custody was given up to the grandparents

The "grown-ups" down-talking a 15 year old child and referring to her as a evil, et cetera should be ashamed of them selves - The adults here are scum of the earth and I hope they one day learn how to express their opinion appropriately

Also - Advocating what you outlaw - PITIFUL !!!

Prayers for alyssa, alyss'a and Elizabeth's family !!!

First off, I dont see how being clinically depressed could cause one to become homisidal. I had a close friend who is/was mentally depressed and not once did she take it out on anyone but herself, and she was also on anti-depresents, not from a good family, and lots of family issues. This was all through our high school years. which was not long ago for me. almost 2 years ago. Also i am having trouble understanding how wanting to kill oneself could jump to wanting to kill someone else.

I would be happy if someone could explain that connection to me. Because the only reason I think the media would mention it and everyone else, is to better understand the 15 yr. old girl. To maybe understand how this type of thing could happen or a reason why it did.

But i also think people should consider that sometimes people do really horrible stuff and there is no way to justify it in anyones mind.

to blessed: Did you do any research on Prozac? they did do studies on kids, they would have to if they were to have it prescribed to kids,due to regulations. So I did some reseach and asked my friend, who took prozac around the same age, and there is no mention of homisidal thoughts. here is some websites about Prozac so you can see for yourself: http://www.drugs.com/cdi/prozac.html, http://depression.emedtv.com/prozac/prozac-side-effects.html,http://www.rxlist.com/prozac-drug.htm.

Also, Blessed.......you may not like what others have to say but you dont need to be immature about it, it discredits your argument. Then again yours is an opinion too as is mine.

To Vicki Olten: I don't care if your nasty brother rots in prison. Keep his name out of it - he wasn't a father to Elizabeth in any sense of the word. So quit trying to gain sympathy for him - instead ask him where Jasmine is!

>>> unknown Operative word - PRACTICALLY
Yes - PROZAC has been tested - What if the figure for homicidal effects is 0.1% ?
How many times have these drugs been recalled because of their side effects ?
We are talking about mood altering - chemical reactions in the BRAIN here -
Possible that it interfered with ALYSSA'S paticular brain chemistry ?

People,
Here's what's going to happen:
Alyssa will end up going to the juvenile facility in Missouri. They are going to make the appropriate arrangements to keep here there, else they are going to send her to a juvenile center in another state. At age 21 or when she'll recuperate herself, which ever occurs first, she is going to go to court and be freed, or in unsupervised probation for a few years.
This case is a one of a kind case, and there are very prominent lawyers and scholars studying it, to take the defense side. These JDs or law students will take the prosecutors up and down they way the feel like, in addition to the plain vanilla situation: she's an ill early teenage girl, so she will not be sent for life. Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me if they try to revert the decision of trying her as an adult, and try her as a juvenile.
As to the Olten's, I feel sorry for them and for the poor, disgusting life they gave to little Elizabeth, having two career criminals in the family, and letting a 9-year old walk by herself when it's already dark.
Bottom line: Alyssa will be freed before Dale Olten junior and hopefully also before Mr. Universe, Dale Olten, hahah. Peace out

Do some reseach and back up your agrument.

Yes, everyone's brain chemestry reacts differently to different drugs. However, that is why they are under advisement by a Doctor. Your suppose to tell your doctor if something not listed as a side effect occurs.

Still does not justify what Alyassa did.

I'm not saying she does not need help, she does, that is obvious. But I do not condone just sending her to a psychiatric hospital for counseling. Maybe she should get counseling first then do some time in jail or prison. Both sides win and Alyssa get's the help she needs and punishment to think over her actions.

>>>>my last post because i think this topic has been talked about too much...

i think she should die, can you imagine bring someone like that into the world? all my kids are so good, i can't imagine ... did the parents do drugs or abuse her terribly, wtf, what makes people do such horrific things, i think all these murderers of children should be locked up in the same place so they could murder each other off, one at a time

I cant believe a 15 year old can be so cruel. What would posess her to murder a little 9 year old girl, let alone her sisters friend.

My heart goes out to Elizabeths family. I hope full heartedly that justice is served and she is tryed as an adult. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. There is no reason for a life to be taken so soon out of cold blood.

Having a father in jail and a drug addicted mother must have been hard on Alyssa.

btw people saying she should get the death penalty or die, are to me no better than her crime. Teach people that killing is wrong, by killing? Two wrongs don't make a right. It should never be OK to kill anyone (except for in self defense of course) that is a much better message.

"Ke said: btw people saying she should get the death penalty or die, are to me no better than her crime"

Yes, I said she should die. An eye for an eye. No I am NOT like her, I wouldn't due such a horrific crime and I want my children to be safe in this world, the way it is now they can't even play alone outside, nor walk to and from school alone, nor sleep nor play at a friend's house. I have to show my children horrible pictures and show them what people AND CHILDREN are capable of. You like this better? Tell God that two wrongs don't make a right, as the Bible states and eye for an eye.

Oh, and Ke: "hard on Alyssa"????? What was harder - her life - or the little girls struggle as her throat was being slashed, or while the little girl was being stabbed?

As for the slaying and murder of 9 year old Elizabeth Olten...So what!!! I dont care!!! And neither do you pathetic people. Stop taking your weird bs out on poor Alyssa and go find something important to whine about like third world countries.
People die everyday, children die everyday, people kill everyday, thats life, get used to it, shit happens.

I really hope Alyssa gets a couple years in juvi and is freed. There are so many people out here who love you Alyssa, and we hope you get well.

I hope this female rots in prison. It's time to make our justice system worth fearing if you violate the rights of another person.

Alyssa suffered from hardcore depression, attempts of suicide, cutting herself, and mental problems and you people are going to judge her?? I honestly believe this world has turned into one huge fuckhole. God doesnt want the world to be like this but be beautiful and everyone be free and loving towards each other. You must have no reason to believe that she's innocent but remember what God said, "But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Now please let God judge her and stop bitching about this whole scenario. There are nine year old kids in Africa and Ukraine right now dying of starvation, and you're worried about one little girl. I understand if she was REALLY close to you, but lets calm down a bit. If your daughter would have killed a nine-year old girl, you wouldnt be bitching about her would you? You'd probably be trying to comfort her. Do the "christian way" people, and butt out of this girls buisness before she kills herself from all the publicity. damnn.
we love you alyssa.

i put the wrong link D:

Alyssa suffered from hardcore depression, attempts of suicide, cutting herself, and mental problems and you people are going to judge her?? I honestly believe this world has turned into one huge fuckhole. God doesnt want the world to be like this but be beautiful and everyone be free and loving towards each other. You must have no reason to believe that she's innocent but remember what God said, "But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Now please let God judge her and stop bitching about this whole scenario. There are nine year old kids in Africa and Ukraine right now dying of starvation, and you're worried about one little girl. I understand if she was REALLY close to you, but lets calm down a bit. If your daughter would have killed a nine-year old girl, you wouldnt be bitching about her would you? You'd probably be trying to comfort her. Do the "christian way" people, and butt out of this girls buisness before she kills herself from all the publicity. damnn.
we love you alyssa.

A 9 year old child was brutally and senselessly murdered and you want everyone to "calm down a bit" and think of the starving children? Puh-lease. We are doing the "christian way" which is caring about children murdered, regardless of how.

I don't care what Alyssa suffered in her past. Please point me in the direction of a murderer or criminal who has not suffered a terrible childhood. They all have. Yt, still a murderer be. What would you say if it was your family member killed by a murderer who suffered a terrible past? Would you give the same pass? Would it make it all okay? Would you tell us to mind our own business before the murderer killed her/him self? Should we send money to Africa to feed the starving children instead of sending you compassion?

Let's look at what God really said about murder:

God said "Thou should not kill".

God also said:

Exodus 21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

For all these people sticking up for that murderer, maybe you should follow her to prison, if you think it is ok that she did this, then the world would be a better place without you roaming the streets.

"Le" - who are you? Maybe Alyssa dug the second grave for you? WHO THE F cares about Alyssa? Not me, I hope she rots. She should be condemned to a hospital for the criminally insane, and for the rest of her life, believe it or not, she is criminally insane and will always be, for the rest of her life. I could care less abour Alyssa's life, I was abused and raped as a child, I never murdered anyone, instead I make sure nothing like that happens to my children. You are an as_sho_le

This little girl deserves the death penalty. The fact that she KNEW what she was doing... she PLANNED another death... she shouldn't get away with something like that and people trying to back her up saying "oh she shouldn't be charged because it was mental" ANYONE CAN PLEAD INSANITY. I COULD PULL IT OFF EASILY!!! those issues that girl has, i can relate to (severe depression, anger issues... which i have delt with and are handled with care now). Unless she's doing it for pure attention and things she hears and sees on tv WITH ALL THE TRASH ON TV THESE DAYS. All you see and hear on TV and Music are about drugs, sex, nudity, cheating, killing, etc. This world is headed for a god aweful downward spiral, and you see it everyday. She needs charged and these liberal idiots need to stop backing this little girl up wanting her in a hospital. I can go claim insanity ANYTIME. Get real. WAKE UP!! Justice!!

I wish I could just give Alyssa a great big hug and make everything OK. She's a baby, only 15 years old, I don't think any 15 year old should just be given up on, no matter what their crime. She's just a kid, she did not realize the implications of her actions.
She should be given her chance to recover. Alyssa has mental health issues and strange family problems, I truly believe the poor little girl who lost her life in this tragedy, was not her fault.

Yes I would like to hug her too. U are our hero Alyssa; you will be fine and you will head your life towards growing up as a successful adult

I feel no sympathy for Alyssa I think she is a cold heartless killer. There are allot of people that are sick, depressed and all of the above but not all kill. We as a society blame everything to a sickness because they refuse to believe that someone could be so cold and mean. This thing that killed poor little helpless Elizabeth is not human and I really could care less about her rights. What about Elizabeth's rights. She had none that witch took them away, I feel she needs to be put away for life and suffer every day for her actions. How horrible this had to be for Elizabeth, and now for her family. They will never be the same because of what this piece of crap did to their baby girl. I detest this thing and hope she suffers every day that she is allowed the breathe.

im very sorry to the elizabeth parents,, im 15 and i cant see me doing that.. the alyssa chick seriously needs help that is really sad and cold hearted what she did,,she needs help!!! this lil girl did not deserve that no one does,,, and alyssa's reason is "i wanted to feel what it felt like to kills someone" is wrong she justs needs help,, alyssa needs to suffer just like elizabeth had to,,its not fair that little girl lost her life....

Xizziz the second grave was for your mum. And, look, she is not criminally insane or a killer, her killing a little girl was an innocent one time lil experiment, and i'm sure the little brat did something to deserve it. This will teach all the bratty 9 year olds not to mess with the big kids.

Even if Bustamante is found guilty of first-degree murder, it's still possible she will end up in the care of the state Division of Youth Services.

That's because Missouri is one of 22 states to have what is called a "dual jurisdiction" system. Under state law, if AB was found guilty, a judge could consider keeping her under the care of the juvenile system — which is heavy on rehabilitation — until she is 21.

The "Missouri Model" is praised around the nation because its emphasis on community-based rehabilitation has produced very low recidivism rates, even among the violent criminals sentenced through the juvenile system.

Wilson, who last year was part of a review of Missouri's juvenile justice system that earned the prestigious Annie E. Casey Innovations Award, said that programs that focus on rehabilitation for juveniles work because those who make it through the program don't repeat their crimes.

Trey said: It's time to make our justice system worth fearing if you violate the rights of another person."

Two recent large-scale studies show that juveniles who receive harsher penalties in fact, after their release, tend to reoffend sooner and much more often than those treated in the juvenile system.

The researchers also found that the threat of adult criminal sanctions had no effect on the levels of serious juvenile crime and there is evidence, in fact, that they may be backfiring.

Bottomeline,
Treating the kids or adults for that matter like animals doesn't make them better people, which explains the reoffenders. Rehabilitation does. If you treat kids like adult criminals, they will act like adult criminals, it's human psychology.

So, why did Alyssa Bustamante murder Elizabeth Olten? Alyssa told police that she “wanted to see what it felt like”. Today’s generation is appalling. For any human being to think about killing someone is bad enough, but for a 15 year old…its crazy. Not only did she kill an innocent child, but her excuse was foolish! There is no excuse for what Alyssa did. 50 years ago, gum chewing was the worst problem in schools, now we have murderers walking up and down the halls. What has happened to America’s teens? Some people say that we need more discipline, while others say that discipline is the problem.
Discipline is not the problem. The only problem discipline is bringing about is not being used enough. Just think 50 or 60 years ago, murder was scary to even think about or hear about. Today, people can’t even watch the news without seeing about an arrest or murder. Most of theses incidents deal with drugs or alcohol, but most recently these stories concern teen deaths. Teens in this generation have more peer pressure than any generation prior. Girls commit suicide due to bullying, or are killed from alcohol consumption. Today’s generation is going down hill fast.
The Elizabeth Olten case is a prime example of this kind of behavior. Obviously Alyssa Bustamante is very immature and undisciplined. But, that may not be the case. The parents may not be at fault, or they might be unknowingly. Some parents in today’s generation do not discipline their kids. In other cases it is not the parents; it is the child’s peers. No matter how hard the parents try to teach their children good morals, sometimes they cannot help who their friends are.
Alyssa Bustamante should be put in jail until she is 18, and then tried as an adult. Just because she is a juvenile doesn’t mean that she is going to get away with killing an innocent human being. Also, Alyssa should be forced to go to some type of counseling. Judging by her behavior, something is wrong. If Alyssa went to a physiatrist, maybe the mystery as to why she killed Elizabeth could be solved. Although she said she just wanted to see what it felt like, obviously there was an underlying reason. There must be another motive as to why she killed this little girl.
The behavior shown by today’s teens is awful. Alyssa admitted to choking, and stabbing Elizabeth to death. Humans that would act this way and show no emotion at all, are a danger to society.

Forsaken....which side are you on?

"li said: Xizziz the second grave was for your mum. And, look, she is not criminally insane or a killer, her killing a little girl was an innocent one time lil experiment, and i'm sure the little brat did something to deserve it. This will teach all the bratty 9 year olds not to mess with the big kids."
WTF! My mom? First of all she's already dead, second, put a gun to your head and pull the trigger. You are a sick f_uk yourself.

So once again li -- are you saying that if a child is 9 and a brat to you, that you will murder them? "This will teach all the bratty 9 year olds not to mess with the big kids." That's a helluva statement. Who are you, her lesbian lover?

I see people on here defending the murderer, saying she shouldn't get life in prison for what she did. I disagree. Look at her. Look at her pictures she posts online, with fake blood and creepy make-up, and the way she cuts herself and grabs electric fences. Obviously, she thinks that acting/pretending to be dark, or evil, or crazy, is something cool. She quite plainly thinks hurting herself and others is cool.
That, or she really is just nuts.
Either way, she belongs locked up somewhere. Not given the death penalty. That is not a punishment for people her age. But locked up somewhere secure, with her three meals a day, where she will not only be unable to hurt another person, but she won't be able to cut herself anymore either, which she obviously does. Seriously, if you act like that, thinking it's 'cool' to behave that way, and tell the internet that you cut yourself and murder people as your hobbies, you shouldn't be out amongst the public. If you stab and strangle a little girl, or anyone, you deserve to be locked up. The whole point of correctional facilities is to separate people who are obviously dangerous from the rest of society.
She shouldn't get leniency, while adult men get life in prison or the death penalty for the exact same crime, just because she's a teenage girl. She said herself that she did it because she wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. So she's either got some mental issues, or she's just evil. She shouldn't just be let go with a slap on the wrist, just to run off to her little friends and brag, or write a big old blog on her Twitter about what it was like to murder a little girl.

you should go to jail for the rest of your life!!!killing a little girl u sick person!!!

this girl knew what she was doing for one and she should have just not of done it . like keep on cutting its way better than to take a life of a innocent little girl . ill tell you what if someone didt that to my little family i would be real mad and she really wouldnt have gotten away with it. why couldnt she of killed someone her own size and strength or was that to much ? did she really have to pick someone who couldnt really fight back? no she probably would have gotten her ass kicked if she did try someone who could fight back and was her own age she is sick and i hope she gets a death penalty she is luck i didnt know her cuz i would have been more crucial

MARK?

Nice comment Freddie. Judging by the content of your statement, (not that i'm here to judge mind ya), but I'd say you more than likely are about 15,maybe gothic? And probably an outstanding member of a sleazy little gang of boys trying desperately to look like men.

Julia. I haven't heard anything about her being morman. I've never heard of any mormans doing anything like what she did.

Posted 11/04/2009 at 02:15:30 PM
How dare you..EXCUSE ME???? I a Gothic My friends are not once have I ever known Goths to do this. Thusa rape n kill. They listen to rap not Goth music...I know a Goth girl in th UK that was brutaly beaten to DEATH!!!! You dam fucking moron how dare you...

This thing of putting a juvenile on trial as an adult makes a mockery of our justice system. I mean, they had NO adult rights or privileges prior to this point, yet they now have full adult responsibilities? That's hypocritical at best, insane at worst. If she is to be tried as an adult then she should now be considered an adult. That means she should be able to legally smoke, drink, have sex with other adults, drive a car, make all her own decisions, the whole ball of wax. But she still can't do any of those things and she? The legal system does this sort of thing as a form of vengence, not justice. Hypocricy run rampant.

first off for those of you that still continue to talk death penalty, that is NOT even an option. A person her age cannot be given that type of sentence.
Anonymous: just about anybody that's lived on a farm has touched an electric fence. They are not deadly but the jolt can knock you on your butt. I'm not sure why there is such a negative response to that video. to me it's just typical kids in tne country. the picture of her with the fake blood was a halloween picture. As for cutting herself and her attempted suicide in 2007, both are absolute cries for help.
I believe she should be given a long sentence with daily intense therapy. Maybe then they can find out what drives someone so young to commit a crime like hers. I think it's possible she was trying to relate to the parents that weren't in her life. If her father can do jail time is that what it takes for her to get him to notice her?? Who knows. She comes from a totally dysfunctional family.

what? she is definitely a mormon and was quite involved in the mormon church youth activities. I am by no means saying that had anything to do with the crime she committed.

DNTME
Your right about one thing, she should have the rights to do all those things as a FREE adult standing trial. She is being tried as an adult, because of the way she carried out her murder.Sence she is now considered an adult criminal, her adult and juvenile rights are gone. She is a criminal and murderer.She can not be released on bai, so she will never be free as an adult, to have adult rights untl her trial.
A Cole County judge ruled Wednesday that Bustamante, who has been held in Missouri's juvenile justice system, should be tried as an adult. Hours later, the teen was indicted on adult charges of first-degree murder and armed criminal action for allegedly using a knife to kill Elizabeth.
Bustamante was ordered held without bond pending her trial. If convicted of first-degree murder, she would be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

HAHHA im watching this on the news but 15 WTH my word goes out to elizabeths family RIP

Im very sad for the Olten family that they are going through this.I cant believe that she said that she just did it to see what it will feel like. I was wondering who would have been the 2nd victom.Maybe it would have been her younger sister.What is the family of the killer doing and i agree with Sandy she should be in jail for life cause there is no way she couldnt been found inisent,all of the evidence pointed to her.there was 3 3 was of murder and i think she should get the life penilty.I just wish yall will feel better i went trough a death in the family and i couldnt believe that he was gone. RIP ELIZABETH OLTEN

my names cheyenne i am 13 and i dont understand why she would have done this. There are a lot of girls and boys my age and older that wonder what its like to kill someone. But most are my friends and i will always be there for them. It's sad that she would kill someone that was her little sisters friend, but if she was really that mad and had killing on her mind i understand. I have grown up around guns and killing my whole life, my dad thought my sister and I how to shoot. I have hunted scene i was 11, 2 years ago, but i ensest to only kill what i am told. As for deer and other animals, but to tell u the truth im very interested in this story and i feel very sorry for both of the girls. For the 15 year old she had no right in killing her, but almost everyone has those thoughts. Most of my friends belive that there all depressed and want to be emo and be all suisidal and kill. But really i know they are not strong enough. The 15 year old was a cuter and suisidal and as to my friends so am I. But i have learned there are more importent things in life. I still have those days where im sad and want to do things. But than i just go out side and go for a walk or sit in my room and leason to music it helps alot. I send my respects to the 9 year old and hope the 15 year old girl gets to think about what she has dont.

Some fuck just made this shit up. Know one could be this stupid. I think this is pretty bad that some asshole would do this to that little girls memory. Pete editor take this shit off cheyenne

I am so sorry to hear this, I have a 9 year old and couldn't imagine. I hope that girl gets the death penalty. My thoughts and prayers are with the Olten Family, God Bless.

As much as i feel bad for the Olten Family this is just not possible. A 15 year old teenager can kill someone when there angry or depressed and pushed over the limit. But to kill a 9 year old in cold blood for no reason. I just dont buy it. There is no motive there is no proof except for a unsubstantiated hand written note which not even the stupidest of criminals would write.

Jabob,
Don't use stupidest. That makes you sound like a criminal. What are you saying? Alyssa didn't kill Elizabeth. Someone else did it? She did it all right, she confessed to the murder. She is going to be tried as an adult. Life in prison. No possibility of parole.

ok this so called "Child" you guys are talkinq about shld be charged as a freakenn adult...anyone who seriousely belives this bitch couldent have killed an innocent 9 yr. old is in my opinion DUMB. i mean im 15 and i know how wronq it is to kill a person and wat a life is and im not that smart lol..alyssa how dose it feel to kill someone?...i hope it eats yuh alive. i hope yuh cnt go a day without thinkinq about wat u did. hahh a person like you dosent deserve to live ..id diq yurh own grave bitch;)
and if wat ther sayinq is true that u mite not have done it and your just coverinq up for someone thennn damm ur stupid. well my heart goes out to the Olten Family♥

Life is life. You just got to roll with the punches. Get over it. She was murdered for a reason, Maybe 'God' wanted her. Yeah; Sad for the family, but i actually hope that the 15 year old girl doesn't get life in prison. I'm heartless, and i dont give a fuck about their feelings. ;)

Sam-E,
May God help you find peace and love in your heart. Happy New Year.

this girl should be tried as an adult and if were lucky gets death penalty so we wont have to pay for her to live IN jail..REHABILITATION? I DONT THINK SO-

T-Vix.

i feel way late on this post because yours was in october, but SHUT THE FUCK UP with the sex thing, any 30 year old man who wants to have sex with a 14 year old girl is gross and sick in the head, and even IF it is "consensual" its still AGAINST THE LAW for the 30 year old. MURDER is against the law for every age you idiot and i apologize but i CANNOT see the logic behind you comparing sexual intercourse [consensual or NOT] with brutally committing the pre-meditated murder of a 9 year old girl.

the fifteen year old is not crazy she may be emotionl disturbed or just lonely did u see that video when she electicfided herself she wanted to stop but her friend wouldt let her STOP CALLING THAT GIRL CRAZY NOW

Oh please go cry to someone who wants to hear it. Alyssa's CRAZY

ELLIE (15) said: how would you know about anything at 15 get a life or a best live some more. What in hell can you tell adults about life how much a candy bar is going now adays?

Wait...you mean the video where she encouraged her brothers to touch the electric fence? You should pay better attention to the details, autumn. You're interpreting that as you prefer to see it.

I am so sorry.
There are enough sickos in this world and we dont need that by girls who are only 15 year old..
I am very sorry to Elizabeths family.
I hope Elizabeth finds peace were she is going.
And to her family i hope you find peace in all this.

WOW, I can't believe some one would do somthing like this. I have a little sister who is 7 and if she were to be murdered i couldnt imagine life without her. My heart dropped when i heard about this. I wish that Elizabeth's family gets justice!

My heart and prayers go out to both families. It has to be hard to lose a child in any circumstance. I hope that both families can begin healing.

The girl who committed this crime deserves to pay for her actions; however, we must all look at the situation. Is the girl sane, knows what she did is wrong, does she understand what she did? If yes, then she deserves to be tried as an adult and given the maximum penalties permitted by law! Is the girl suffering from any mental issues that may have lead to this senseless crime? Then maybe she needs to be in a mental ward and put on medication. Whatever the case this girl needs to be held responsible. We can in no way let this young woman get away with what she did or play down the fact she killed an innocent child. Do I think she should get the death penalty...no, I do not, but accountability for one's actions is a MUST!

i feel bad for both girls but my heart goes out to alyssa she lived a rough life during that life she took someone elses life she should not get death penalty she deserves help prision wont do anything she may have killed someone but she is a kid also she was on ssri drugs which led to many different homicides,suicides,school shooting, hope she gets help she should get atleast 5-10 years one life was ruined that doesnt mean another one should be ruined rip elizabeth olten good look alyssa bustamante she has many supporters i wish i could go to jail with her and tell her your not alone we still love and miss you shes a really lovely girl without the things shes done

I am glad the the court system has ruled that Alissa is being tried as an adult. She will get the help in prison she needs and the education she doesn't have. Hopefully she will find spiritual guidance for her soul. I don't know why people keep saying she will get the death penalty, she won't. She will have a life time to remember what it felt like to murder someone.