Man kills serial pedophile
UPDATE: Another 18-year-old has been arrested in the case. See update after the jump...![]()
Manual Ortega is among the arrested in a gang rape that lasted two hours
The 15-year-old student left the Richmond High School homecoming dance at about 9:30 Saturday evening, apparently waiting for her father to pick her up in this San Francisco suburb. Before dad arrived, she saw a friend from school who invited her to hang out with some boys who were drinking in a secluded part of the campus.
The girl joined the group and began drinking heavily, police say. After she became extremely intoxicated, the boys decided to rape her...Police believe as many as five boys joined in the gang rape, which lasted more than two hours. As word spread of the attack, other kids arrived to watch. As many as 12-15 others stood around as the girl was being assaulted. No one called police.
Police only arrived around midnight after getting a call from someone who'd overheard other people "reminiscing about the incident," Lt. Mark Gagan told CNN.The girl was found unconscious and "brutally assaulted" under a bench. She was flown to a hospital in critical condition, but has since stabilized. ![]()
Richmond High sits in a gang-infested suburb with one of California's highest murder rates
"She ended up with those guys under her own will because she knew one of the boys who had gone to the high school before," Gagan says. "Right now, we're looking at toxicology reports to determine her blood-alcohol content and to determine if she was drugged."
Former student Manuel Ortega, 19, has been arrested in the case. He's charged with rape, robbery and kidnapping. Another 15-year-old boy has been charged with felony sexual assault. Police are now searching for more kids who may have taken part or witnessed the gang rape.
"Based on witness statements and suspect statements, and also physical evidence, we know that she was raped by at least four suspects committing multiple sex acts," Gagan says. "As people announced over time that this was going on, more people came to see, and some actually participated." There's a good chance those who watched will also be charged.
Richmond High School does have security cameras, but none were working at the time of the attack. "This just gets worse and worse the more you dig into it," Gagan says. "It was like a horror movie after looking at the evidence. I can't believe not one person felt compelled to help her."
UPDATE I: Five people have now been arrested, but as many as 10 may have joined in the gang rape.
Here's an updated version of how the incident went down: The 15-year-old girl was leaving the dance and was about to call her dad for a ride when she ran into a friend, who invited her to party in a secluded spot on campus. Dad tried to call her later, but didn't get an answer.
The girl quickly pounded a large amount of brandy and became semi-conscious. That's when her supposed friends decided to rape her. Police now believe that as many as 10 males -- ages 15 to mid-20s -- took part in the assault. They stripped the girl naked and took turns over more than two hours. As word spread, as many as a dozen others arrived to jeer, laugh, rob and punch her, and take cell phone pictures.
As Raul Rubio told the San Jose Mercury News, "Some dudes walked up and were like, 'There's a drunk girl back there.' They said she was naked, and if you want to get fucked, go back there."
All told, five people have now been arrested in the case -- with more to come. Police are now even employing the SWAT team to serve warrants. The arrested include Manuel Ortega, a 19-year-old high school dropout, 21-year-old Salvadore Rodriguez, and three juveniles ages 15-17.
The girl, it seems, was the kind of kid they made fun of in this rundown city of 120,000 near San Francisco, which tends to have California's highest murder rate, and is rife with gangbangers and dope dealers. Though it's just speculation, she may have been doing her best to be cool and fit in when it all went very bad.
"They used to make fun of her because she had a crush on a boy in class," student Susan Meas told KTVU-TV. "And they used to make fun of her because of the jeans she wore and stuff. She had to barge out of class crying one day."
Authorities are also figuring out whether they can charge those who watched but didn't join the assault. Under California law, it's only a crime to not report a crime if the victim's under 14. But they may be able to charge them with aiding and abetting if they can prove the onlookers facilitated or goaded the creeps who actually raped her.
UPDATE II: At least some of the boys apparently raped the girl with objects, according to new charges.
Three boys ages 15, 16, and 17 have each been charged with felony rape with a foreign object, meaning they used something to penetrate the 15-year-old girl. They've been identified as 15-year-old Cody Ray Smith, 16-year-old Ari Morales and 17-year-old Marcelles Peter. All have been charged as adults due to the viciousness of the crime, and could get life if convicted.
But it seems people in Richmond aren't happy with the national attention they're getting. Yesterday, teachers at Richmond High School protested outside with large signs saying "What about the good things?" and "Richmond cares!" It's as if they believe the media isn't supposed to report on the gang rape of a 15-year-old girl while as many as 20 people watched and took part -- and no one called the cops over a two-hour period. And these are teachers?
"We are not criminals," student Norma Bautista told the San Jose Mercury News. "We are the future leaders. We are going to make a change. Everything they say about us -- that we're animals, that we're not a community -- we are a community. Why are they focusing on the negativity?"
Sorry, little girl, but in times like this, no one's really thinking about how good your band program is.
UPDATE III: Another 18 year old has been arrested in the case.
Jose Carlos Montano, 18, was arrested Thursday evening outside his San Pablo home. He's being held on a $1.3 million bond on suspicion of rape and other charges.







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Posted 10/27/2009 at 01:46:08 PMTelevision, movies, computer games, they reflect violence and lack of respect for human dignity. and their homes. Our children being snatched from the streetsbars replace churches, achohol and drugs every where, guns are the communication tool of a generation, but as long as someone is making money it seems to be okay. There are many great things in this country, but the idea that we can close our eyes to the terrible things going on around us is ridiculous. Our government can't seem to think of anything but taxing people to poverty and still accomplishing nothing. Time for a change, a real change.
Posted 10/27/2009 at 01:50:48 PMEmail and call your legislators and tell them you've had enough
"bars replace churches"
Email and call your legislators and tell them you've had enough"
Posted 10/27/2009 at 02:23:00 PMYou're right, we need to get the word out.... We've had enough of organized religion, the true scourge of the earth, and it should finally be done away with in a time where logic and science reign supreme. I agree with you totally.
It said she was "apparently waiting for her father to pick her up". What happened to dad? Someone called who overheard around midnight - No parents were looking for this 15year old before midnight?
Posted 10/27/2009 at 02:48:33 PM"Donald Ross" please stop blaming the symptoms...this country was founded on injustice and is sustained on it, we cant even face the facts of that, yet you expected a utopia to be built on that by the same guys who write the laws patch working a broken system?
Posted 10/27/2009 at 05:50:08 PMchurches can do nothing, parental attention and PARENTAL EDUCATION is fundamental...this is a horrible, horrible story
Posted 10/27/2009 at 06:49:30 PMI have watched my kids with MUCH diligence, but our laws are NOT tough enough on certain crimes. So there is no deterrence and NO fear. I'm scared to death whenever my kids are just out in the neighborhood with other kids - in the daylight hours. ANYTHING can happen, and often does! A 9 yr old murdered by a 15 yr old - drugs and alchohol play a big part in the commission of certain crimes. THE TRUTH PEOPLE! Let's put TAX Money into something that is needed - and has been, rather than a kazillion dollar health care system that cannot be proven to have any working functionality!!
Posted 10/27/2009 at 08:20:23 PMThis makes me SICK. WTF is wrong with people these days. Who in their right mind could possibly stand there and watch a 15 year old girl getting raped and do nothing. If I came across a scene like that there would be no need to call the police! I hope when these sick perverts wind up in the pen bubba and the boys have a nice gang bang waiting for THEM.
Posted 10/27/2009 at 08:40:06 PMJust look at the person arrested, typical mestizo behavior. If it wasn't mexcrement, it would have been negros.I say give the father and any other male relatives of this victim 2 hours to have their way with this animal.THAT would be justice.
Posted 10/27/2009 at 08:55:39 PMyou are a racist, this kind of horrible things happens worldwide...
Posted 10/27/2009 at 09:07:54 PMmestizo behavior ? negros?
i agree with you on the fact i would like to spend 2 hours with that criminal to take justice with my hands...shit... but this is insane
Amrica re-elected a sex pervert, they have kicked God out of their homes. We are just reaping what we have sown! We have a leader who says America is not a Christian natio.
Posted 10/27/2009 at 09:37:32 PMHe is right on that point,however, this country was established on New Testament principles and we must go back to those principles or we will continue to reap the same thing.
I'm physically nautious by the time I finished reading this. What in the hell can we do to protect our kids from tragedies like this. I am a single mother of two young girls. I'm scared. My prayers go out to the victim and her family. I'm a little curious as to why her father hadn't arrived. For all I know he could of been looking for her, or was told she had already gotten a ride. Anyways, my words to the attacker and his family. AN EYE FOR AN EYE. I hope some young girl in his family doesn't go through this. I'm excited about him going to prison. Guarantee you, the inmates will handle him.
Posted 10/27/2009 at 09:43:11 PMIt's sick when morons like Kat try to insert their ridiculous politics into a story about a poor young girl who was brutalized by her classmates:
"Let's put TAX Money into something that is needed - and has been, rather than a kazillion dollar health care system that cannot be proven to have any working functionality!!
No Kat, I guess we shouldn't expect people like you to understand this, but poverty breeds violence. When you tell children that they aren't valuable enough to society to have healthcare, you get exactly what you expect -- a generation who doesn't care about laws or people. A generation living by the laws of the jungle. This is what people like you, Kat, have wrought. As long as you're safe in your suburbs with your SUVs and your super-sized meals, you don't care about what happens to the rest of the country. You all claim to love America so much -- but you won't lift a finger to help the half of the population that is struggling to survive. Gangs, drugs, violence...these are all symptoms of poverty that can be greatly alleviated by treating people like human beings and caring about them not when they are just fetuses -- but throughout their formative years. America is getting what she deserves.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 01:37:24 AMIam so sorry yhis happened to this child i have a 12 year
Posted 10/28/2009 at 09:15:58 AMold and i dont know what i might do if this was my 15 year
old and if i was there i would of jumped in the middle
and cursed every one who was watching. what kind of people
sit there and watch a 15 year uld girl get gang raped
everyone and i mean everyone who was watching need to be charged and all of them need to go to jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone who is involved needs to be charged
Posted 10/28/2009 at 09:24:20 AMincluding the people who was watching the parent
of these kids needs to teach them better. And yo respect
others. Because if this was my 15 yesr old everone better
start running because if i catch them it will be on for real!!!!!!!!!!
Is anyone surprised at the nationality of the trash that committed this horrible act?
Too bad our ICE are 'terrorizing' the illegal immigrants in our country, according to our great leader Obama...
Posted 10/28/2009 at 01:17:47 PMLook at the state it was in scum of the earth live there. I hate to say it but look at the race it is true mexicans are perverts always hotting and hollaring at women when they ust walk by like a sterotypical construction worker. they are disgusting and need to leave this country.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 02:16:03 PMIf it is true that California law only holds liable someone who witnesses a crime against a child under 14, then that law needs to be changed. If for no other reason than for this case. What kind of animals is this country producing? Inconceivable, incomprehensible and unforgivable. When a "child" commits an "adult" crime, they should be tried as an adult. Anyone who witnesses a crime and does nothing should be charged as an accomplice no matter what the age of the victim.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 02:52:49 PMThis is yet another disgusting display of violence again women. It is the number one Human Rights issue facing the world today...and it shows up everywhere...in everyone's backyard. This poor child will never be the same after what was done to her. Violent movies, games..whatever...there is no excuse for what was done to this child and I hope each rapist and witness gets the book thown at them. They deserve nothing better.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 04:19:27 PMThis whole event did not happen in a San Francisco suburb. Get the facts straight!!!!!
Posted 10/28/2009 at 04:29:26 PMIt happened in Richmond, California that is why its Richmond High School
Give your audience the truth not faulty information and lies that makes this school look bad
hey mexicans are not perverts... even though this accident happend..it effected the whole school. these reporters are just trying mak ethe school look bad the truth is that even though you think the school looks bad its reaally not we actually learn more and stick together as a school.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 04:34:11 PMWhy do people have to inject race into everything? Who the hell cares if the rapist is Mexican, White, Asian, Black, etc? HE'S A GODDAMN RAPIST who victimized a poor 15 year old!!
Posted 10/28/2009 at 04:45:20 PMAlso, what was up with the people who stood there and did absolutely NOTHING?! What the hell is the world coming to?!
Posted 10/28/2009 at 04:47:09 PMThe lowlife trash who participated in this DEPLORABLE crime and the onlookers who laughed while taking pictures deserve to have the book thrown at them in court. Only soulless monsters could do such a thing! Psychologically, that girl won't ever be right again. The maggots who violated her deserve life in prison without parole; hopefully they'll be raped daily by a big cellmate named Bubba.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 05:30:41 PMThis is quite possibly the most disgusting crime ever committed against a female. How in God's name could people just stand by and watch it happen?
Posted 10/28/2009 at 06:50:26 PMI'm so sorry for this family and the girl, I too got sick at the thought of this. But throwing them in a system where they get to meet more criminals and learn nothing from their time spent there, does not seem like the answer to me.
I will pray for them. Both the attackers and the victim. I guess we'll have to do a better job setting examples for young boys to follow.
Also some of you are completely right how much do I help my own community? I could be mentoring boys that are just as likely to commit these crimes, and I am not. Let's not take away the responsibility of this from the attackers, but let this also be a jostling to your soul to wake up (mine as well) and help our brothers and sisters.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 07:16:14 PMi'm astonished at all the racist remarks... i don't know how long it will take for people to wake the f--- up and realize that the real differentiator is socio-economic class. race is not real. it is, however, the made-up belief system that has kept entire cultures in poverty, with no rights, no chances. When society has nothing to offer these poor forgotten people, they retaliate because they have no sense of home. We need to give everyone a home: a place to belong and have worth. then our kids will have respect for their communities and other people. basic human psych.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 07:41:36 PMThis is horrible! What kind of a school does not monitor the students? Today my view of man kind has truley been changed, this was yet another failure in society
Posted 10/28/2009 at 07:46:28 PMThe same people that waste time to make remarks about race/ethnicity is the same people that are at fault for what has happened. Apparently, this is what you teach your children.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 08:25:40 PMNo matter the race, we are all human beings and should be treated equally. Did you forget what nationality BTK killer is, or the Green River killer, or Charles Manson...need I say more?
Let's not lose focus on what the real problem is!
You are exactly right. Violence, drugs, other crimes -- they are symptoms of poverty. As long as half the people in this country only care about children when they are fetuses, and not when they are actually children -- this will only get worse. It seems like half the people in this country want to progress and create a better, modern society and the other half wants to wallow in racism, ignorance, and denial. To every person who made a comment about how bad Mexicans are after reading this article -- I'm a white guy and I would rather be alone in a dark alley with a dozen Mexicans rather than with a group of your ignorant cracker asses. Read. Try it. It's not going to hurt you. All you really have to lose is your cretinous, self-indulgent, primitive way of looking at the world.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 08:35:21 PMFIRST TO :neyeli molina said:
Posted 10/28/2009 at 09:15:10 PMhey mexicans are not perverts... even though this accident happend..it effected the whole school. these reporters are just trying mak ethe school look bad the truth is that even though you think the school looks bad its reaally not we actually learn more and stick together as a school.
ITS OBVIOUS YOU STICK TOGETHER, THATS WHY NO ONE DID ANYTHING TO HELP THE POOR GIRL.....
SECOND: WE NEED CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY, IMPEACH OBAMA GET A REAL PRESIDENT IN THERE, SOMEONE WHO IS MEAN AND WONT TAKE CRAP, EVEN FROM THIS COUNTRY. SHUT DOWN OUR BORDERS SEND ALL ILLEGALS BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. START CLEANING UP OUR OWN PROBLEMS, LIKE PUNISH HEINOUS CRIMES LIKE THIS WITH CASTRATION, CUT A HAND OFF WHEN SOMEONE STEALS, PUT A CRIMINAL TO DEATH WHEN THEY KILL. I GUARANTEE A CRIMINAL WILL THINK TWICE BEFORE THEY DO IT.
FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THIS IS WRONG WELL YOU CAN PACK YOUR CRAP TOO AND GO. ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THIRD:THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OUR COUNTRY NEEDS IS
****GOD****
IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR GOD, THEN GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY AND WORSHIP YOURS THERE.
MAY GOD BRING SOMETHING GOOD TO THIS LITTLE GIRL.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON THE CRIMINALS.
PEACE.
They should just realese the names, mug shots, and addresses of the guilty parties and let them go free. Then let vigilante law work its magic. These douche bags will serve six years each and then they will just be free to do this type of shit again.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 09:36:00 PM99.9% of you idiots rambling on in this trad are the same worthless souls that WOULD GOD WILLING stand by and watch. You think it's wrong if the media says so, and only when they say so. STFU AND GTFO.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 09:36:58 PMAre you for real, I agreed with you at first. Then I read that shit about gods mercy. You are an idiot. If there is a hell these assholes should burn there for ever.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 09:38:55 PMmike v PEACE
Posted 10/28/2009 at 10:09:01 PMIt is nonsense to blame this horrific crime on poverty, lack of opportunity, and the like. My father stood in line for day-old bread during the depression, grew up in poverty, fought in WWII, and died a good man; never did he do anything like this. It is a total lack of morality, personal responsibility and compassion in those who perpetrated this foul misdeed; probably in large part fostered by lack of any proper upbringing whatsoever. And, incidentally, my father was raised by a single parent who truly struggled, but raised her son right. I hope that they try all of the perpetrators as adults and throw them in jail until we are all driving rocket-cars.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 10:17:40 PMWell said Warren!! I couldn't agree with you more. When I was a young teen, I lived with my uncle and we were the only ones in the neighborhood with no running water. We were on food stamps and welfare for a long time due to my uncle's poor health. But I didn't go out and commit violent acts because I was poor. That is because I was taught about God's principles, even though I was embarrassed by our living conditions.
It's time for people to take personal responsibility for their actions. Too many people are waiting for the government to solve these problems. But, most of the time the government just throws money at a problem and hopes for the best. All the money in the world can't solve the problems of the human nature. Only God can change the human heart and these kids need to be taught this, instead of being taught what secular humanism teaches in the public schools. Anyway, I pray this young girl will be able to recover emotionally from this terrible crime.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 11:01:06 PMFor goodness sake, Pete! Delete the troll comments!!!!
People, when someone posts outrageous and incendiary comments, don't endulge them with exclamatory banter. That is precisely why they make those statments is to get you to take the bait.
Posted 10/28/2009 at 11:17:20 PMCharles Conrad and Warren, I couldn't agree with you more. I also pray for this young girl. I don't know how she will recover.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Raising your children with values and morals. My father grew up poor, but in a loving household. My grandparents taught hard work, thrift, compassion, treat others as you would be treated. Poverty does not equal violence. The fact that these kids may not have health care did not cause this violence. An absolute moral bankruptcy and inability to empathize with another person caused this terrible crime. I can't fathom witnessing this atrocity and not reporting it to 911. I would be shocked, horrified, sickened. My heart hurts for this young woman by just reading this article-if I actually WITNESSED the atrocity my heart would break in two.
I know it is not just me. I wonder what is happening to our country. There are so many sick individuals out there. Do people not realize that when you have children you are responsible for building their character, helping them to become responsible adults? Do you think it is enough to feed them and buy them a playstation and let them do whatever they want?
Posted 10/28/2009 at 11:25:56 PMtim
Posted 10/29/2009 at 12:31:31 AMafter reading these posts all i can say is i'm glad i'm a Canadian
Welcome to Richmond, home of rape murder and drug trafficking. This shit makes me physically ill. I hope she was really really really loaded so she doesnt remember everything, poor baby. They better find all of them.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 12:54:05 AMAll the bigots are coming out of the woods on this one. Awful crime yes, and I hope the people who committed it are put under the jail, but my God, by reading the remarks here, you'd think that white men have never raped and/or gang raped anyone. Hmm, is that the case? I kinda think not.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 01:32:54 AMActually, all you guys saying that this is because they're mexican or black people or whatever could be easily proven wrong.. In one of the footages shown on TV you can see one of the freshmans getting arrested.. He seemed to be white..
Either way it doesn't matter, worse crimes have been commited by people of every race, the only things that's changed here is the bystanders. Usually when you see a murder it one person and you decide he is the problem, but the fact that people stood and watched makes this much worse.
And it's true, poverty doesn't lead to violence, a lot of people that have it all also go insane and do unimaginable things. That should never be an excuse for anything like that, even if my house burned down tomorrow and I would be forced to live on the street by myself I would still have the morals I've been taught by my parents and self-realization of what's wrong and right. Though I can't lie I've sometimes pondered on how drug trafficking could make me a "rich man" but you soon realize that you're just being stubborn and it shouldn't be the answer. And I'm the same age as some of the younger assaulters.
PS: I bet so many of the people questioned will use the excuse that they were scared to call in case the mob would've turned on them, but if people were running in and out of the dance and telling friends "if you want to get laid tonight go here and there" then I'm sure that if you were to take a couple steps back or go to a better spot you could've easily reported it.
I really hope the girl is able to move on from this, though it's not one of those things that you could say made you stronger, there's no bright side to this story.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 01:53:28 AMThose guys who did it are dead when they hit San Quentin. WOooo, young fresh rapist will be raped by men then murdered
Posted 10/29/2009 at 03:52:33 AMIt's called trickle down evil. Right from the top from a bunch of psychopaths that are nothing more than greedy
Posted 10/29/2009 at 06:36:31 AMcorrupt rapists. What do we expect when the leaders of our country break the law with no conscience.Washington and Wall Street have raped and pillaged this country in the same way. They use the poor for votes with promises that
they will get this or that but in reality they ALL are only looking out for their own welfare. The whole system is rotten and until there is a revolution nothing will
happen. This poor girl will never get any real justice
because our corrupt country is devoid of the concept due to the evil politicians.
whats a girl to do? I went to a high school like this.constant torment for the white kids especially girls. and its our parents paying for the school!! you think maria the illegal housekeeper pays taxes? thus girl's tragic error was thinking you can make friends with these animals, white kids can't go to prom, or homecoming. we know this, they let any body in. and all the dj plays us salsa an hip hop really why bother?
Posted 10/29/2009 at 08:19:27 AMAll of these things people have mentioned may be contributing factors, but the fact remains; a girl got raped. Stripped of her innocence trying to 'fit in' by other reports. I agree with one of the above posts, mentally she probably never will be 'right' again, however, I don't see how it's possible anyone involved- save the victim- was 'right' to begin with.
The stress to fit into a highschool culture provoked some of this. There is room for blame everywhere in this, but I seriously doubt anything will occur to change it. As soon as these kids leave high school 4 months after they won't ever see these 'forced friends' again. The young victim was trying to fit in with a crowd; to belong. The blame lies with the pressures of being a teenager in an unsure world.
America is a great land. The place where if you put your hard work in, you can do things with your life. The youth of today need guidance more than anything else. The gang rape that occured here had to have been thrown about in the minds of the young men who par-took in this activity. Guidance wasn't giving on how to treat a female, and now this happens. I'm just giving general thoughts and opinions on these occurances, there are always specail cases when to much guidance was given or they were just bad eggs to begin with.
The true evil of a mans heart is the ability to stand idly by while evil occurs. Have we really become so complacent that we can't tell a bad thing happening? I don't care who you are or where you are from, it doesn't matter if you blame it on video games, violence or books - the fact remains if you let one of these 'entertainment' mediums influence you to rape, assault or murder you not only deserve everything you would get (jail, prison bitch time, vidication, etc.) but need to get thrown into a deep dark hole for the truly stupid of this world.
Now, the true question. What to do with these attackers, and what to do about their future, and what to do to prevent this from happening again?
Attackers - should be thrown in a jail with a huge number with a 'life sentence' attached to the front so even if they get good behavior on one, they still have many more life times to go through on it.
Those are my thoughts. That's all they are.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 08:36:33 AMwhen god shook the world all the nuts rolled to california
Posted 10/29/2009 at 10:18:27 AMGaggy says: "As long as you're safe in your suburbs with your SUVs and your super-sized meals, you don't care about what happens to the rest of the country. You all claim to love America so much -- but you won't lift a finger to help the half of the population that is struggling to survive."..... I AM DISGUSTED WITH THIS! What happened to people taking responsibility for themselves!?! Only people who want to blame the world for all their problems would say something like this. People living in the suburbs, driving their SUV's have WORKED for those things. So, from what you are saying, some should have to work to get the things they want and then on top of that they should pay for what others want also? No, I'm afraid not. And before you say I must be one of those "living in the suburbs" let me say, I am not wealthy, my husband and I struggle paycheck to paycheck and we live in a "manufactured home" (fancy word for trailer), we have to share a vehicle and we do not get all the things we want. I am so tired of hearing people blame race, poverty and anything else for what people do. People make their own choices in life. If race was an issue, then how is it we have a black President? If poverty was an issue, then how is it so many that grew up poor are now extremely wealthy? People are responsible for their own actions. People choose to turn to crime because they are too LAZY to do it the hard way like everyone else. How did poverty make these boys and men rape her? How can anyone logicaly connect that? They are sick and disgusting. And people keep saying religion is not the answer... I hate to burst your "Politicaly Correct" bubble, but it IS the answer. Christians believe you should "Do unto Others"... We believe you should always do the right thing, even when its hard... These men will pay for what they have done and unfortunatly so will the girl. She will have to live with what has happened to her for the rest of her life. My prayers go out to her and her family.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 12:33:27 PMI am disgusted at the people who watched more than anything else. I do think they should suffer terrible punishments. How else will they learn? I don't care whose children they are or that they are young or whatever. None of that matters. All that matters was the hideous crime they committed against this young girl. I will pray for justice and peace for her. I will pray that God will treat those accordingly for what they did. I know God won't let them get away with it. A good God would NEVER let them get away with their terrible crime. It is disgusting that these boys were so willing to participate. These stupid boys who should have known better, will never be men. They are cowards and a disgrace to not only their own community, but to this entire country. Just because she wasn't liked they decided to make her life even more of a living hell?? My God! What the hell is wrong with them?? Are their lives that boring? Can they truly not entertain themselves? If they don't get punished, they will only enter society with more arrogance and new found smug take on what they have done. It will create monsters living among the rest of our daughters, sisters, cousins, nieces, granddaughters, etc. I think they each be painfully castrated in front of crowds of millions. I would sit in the crowd with pop corn and laugh and smile, taking pictures with my cell phone and probing their open wounds with a cattle proud with happy tears in my eyes. I want the best for people. The type of joy I would render from that act I just described would be the greatest joy. I would want the victim and all other rape victims to watch front row(s), if they wanted. To say "THESE are the people that the world is turning its back against. THESE are the people who are disgusting and outcasts. THESE are the lowlives that don't deserve another chance. THIS is their punishment. Enjoy the show." Let's just hope I never gain any power in this world. Alot of racists, rapists, stuck up higher than thous as well as many rich folks who are greedy will be very very very disappointed. I would take everything from them and set my army on those lost souls, leaving God to determine whether to send them to burn for all eternity. Then, maybe, peace will settle in this world, no hate, no rape, no cruelty to animals or children, no discrimination for any reason, just love and happiness and peace, like the hippies ring.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 02:27:01 PMOh Blair! It sounds like a real nice place your world that has been cleaned by your so called army. And Although its a long and crazy rant I can kinda see what you're getting at. the thing is Blair, its impossible. Humans are violent. We are animals, and without the benefit of proper rearing, without constant supervision while we grow, this is what we get; a generation of totally desensitized monsters. The people who should have children aren't keeping up with the people who shouldn't have children. The first group is getting killed off by the second. so you see, after your kum-bay-yah moment is over- some idiots have some kids, don't raise them and they kill the good kids and the whole mess is started back up again.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 04:04:52 PMThat's a dam shame,What type of shit is this! I'm actually in school writing this. If I'm not disgusted by the sound of this CRAZYNESS,INSANENESS,SICKNESS,LIFELESS,LOWDOWN LIL BOYS, I don't know what I am. Don't these people have mothers and sisters?, what type of humans will commit such a act. Don't get me wrong, I know they have crazy people in this world and all but DAM, I aint never here no bullshit like this bruh. Even though, it's understood that, that poor chick isn't gonna be in her right mine , I beleive in God so she'll be okay. As far as those stupid heartless lil boys go trust me thier day is surely coming, God will take care of them fools. I'm through with it me, I then heard it all!!!!
Posted 10/29/2009 at 04:05:14 PMI love how commenters want their to be a "bigger problem" to blame. Oh it wasn't the kids, it was society, it was god, it was lack of god, it was booze, it was the girl's dad.
A dozen people did this and when you over contextualize it you know what you do? You remove the guilt from the guilty parties. These kids did this. I don't know if they are crazy, stupid, evil or what. I do know that excusing their behavior as part of a "bigger problem" is a great way to make them less guilty.
Charge them as adults. Make their names known. And never, ever let this girl be bothered by any of this ever again. Protect the victim and protect society by punishing the criminals. Stop making it about TV or video games. Millions of people watch TV don't get up and rape. It isn't about race either.
These are bad kids who need to be punished for their behavior quickly and forcefully. They need to live with this shame forever after they realize that what they did was so shameful that they should never, ever stop feeling guilty. Because they are.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 04:08:35 PMThese thugs' futures are clear: Jail, prison, more crime, and more prison. Completey and utterly unfit even as teens for any normal lives in and contributions to society.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 04:20:37 PMAKA: Violent losers from the git-go. Put them AWAY.
well this is just b.s this is so true i can't believe a bunch of inmature guys would do that to a girl like and well this school is so messed that they should more security in the school have the whole school ground secured so that these types of things don't happen.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 06:54:38 PMAmazed at all the racial and political comments. This isn't about that. It's a gang rape, very simple. Find the ones involved, try them, if found guilty, throw them in a cell the rest of their lives. They are animals incapable of living in a civilized society.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 09:18:40 PMHey "Are You For Real" -- that was the best comment I have ever read on a board. I can't believe someone so young could write something so funny. How do I know you're young...because only 12 year old versions think CAPS LOCKS is cruise control for cool. Also, the cognitive dissonance in your comment is hilarious -- you talk about how great America is, and how everyone who doesn't agree with you should leave -- then you say we should "cut a hand off when people steal" -- my friend...that's exactly what they do in Muslim countries! Oh my God..."Are You For Real" is a secret jihadi terrorist! And a hilarious one at that.
And then the part where you go from being a vicious bully and saying "we need a president who is mean" (Oh, by the way, nobody who has ever been laid describes someone as "mean") and then go right into -- Everybody needs God! If you don't like God -- Just leave our country! Dude, seriously, it's past your bedtime, little one.
Or wait minute...this couldn't be...but maybe...is this Rush Limbaugh?
Posted 10/29/2009 at 09:30:41 PMRegardless of the offenders race, had their parents raised them right, this would not have happened. These guys will get a slap on the hand. Like Garrido that kidnapped, raped etc Jaycee Duggard, they will be out to re offend in short order.
Posted 10/29/2009 at 11:27:44 PMI hope the girls in our country start to wake up and see what could happen if you drink and loose control of your self.You are your own best friend if you can keep your self safe and respect your body no one has any courage to do any thing to you. GIRLS SHOULD NOT PUT THEMSELVES IN SUCH SITUATIONS WHERE MEN BECOME ANIMALS AND LOOSE ALL SENSE OF MORALITY.KEEP YOUR SELF SAFE. STOP DRINKING STOP THE DRUGS YOU ALL ARE RUINING YOUR PRECIOUS LIVES. GOD HAS GIVEN YOU THIS LIFE AS A GIFT USE IT IN A POSITIVE MANNER INSTEAD OF THROWING YOUR SELVES AT EVERY TOM DICK AND HARRY.
Posted 10/30/2009 at 12:27:51 AMMiriam, classic case of blame the victim. I hope this girl never sees these types of comments. One of the biggest problems with society is the missing of the fathers in these kids lives. I would bet.
The people, or should I say scum who watched and did nothing are just as bad and should be severely punished if not then ridiculed and shamed.
Posted 10/30/2009 at 04:23:08 AMWTF I can't belive this I have no words to express what i feel when I read this article. I want to tell my self that this didn't happend and some reporter made this whole article up. But thats not the reality of the story. I wish that poor girl could move on because some thing like this would scar a person for life. I wounder what the parents of the atackers have to say knowing that they race this people. And how can they even try to defend them.
Posted 10/30/2009 at 01:13:54 PMPETAL. YOU HAVE IT ALL WRONG, THESE GUYS MADE THE CHOICE TO DO EVIL, I GUESS YOU THINK WHEN A CHILD IS TAKING AND RAPED, IT WAS HER FAULT, WAKE UP, LOTS OF EVIL IN THIS WORLD, I HOPE THEY HANG THESE SCUME BAGS, I DONT CARE IF A GIRL IS DRUNK ON HER A__, THAT DOES NOT GIVE ANYONE TO TAKE ADVANDGE OF HER. AND FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID NOTHING, SHAME ON YOU, PREHAPES YOUR PARENTS HAVE NOT TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING.I WOULD ALMOST BET, THERE IS NO FATHER AROUND TO TEACH THESE BOYS RIGHT FROM WRONG, AND OF COURSE WM CONTINE TO POP OUT BABIES WITHOUT A FATHER TO HELP RAISE THEM.
Posted 10/30/2009 at 01:17:18 PMPetal, you had better stay out of this country. In this country, you can be a moral person and still be raped or beaten. People are cruel. There is something in us that reflects out towards others. For instance, I used to care about what others thought of me. It got to the point where others would tell me what people said behind my back, just to see my reaction. They knew exactly how to set me off and hurt me, and it was funny to them. Apparently, people were already mean to this girl and they used her because they thought it was 'funny'. A woman like you is no woman at all. To think that you are so self righteous just because nobody ever invited YOU to a party. I would love to slap the sht out of you, Petal. It would bring me great pleasure. Because it radiates off of you that when people do something immoral (and in your case, only drinking is immoral and the rape part is not a part of that, you are a dumb ass btch) then you feel like you are soooo much better and it is your job to get out there and reveal just how good you are. That is what God wants, right.... He wants us all to brag about how moral we are! Or whatever it is you believe in. Damn, all I am thinking about is how good it would feel to slap your teeth out, granted you have any. The bystanders and participators are the ones who should be punished, not an innocent girl who drank just to fit in. I have been there. Just because you have your life so fkin figured out doesn't give you the right to say "It's so easy! God gave us this gift!" Walk a damn day in her shoes and then I want you to CONTINUE to keep your ugly, high and mighty ass mouth shut.
Posted 10/30/2009 at 01:34:32 PMA lot of the comments on this board are just a microcosm of the problem..... Complete ignorance! No matter how eloquent the words, the ideology of some still lie in the days of Jim Crow. A horrible crime was committed against a young girl and it somehow becomes a platform for racial rhetoric and hate and dusted with just enough talk about God to try to justify it. Very Sad. My heart goes out to the victim and her family.
Be the evidence that will produce conviction in the hearts of your peers, not only by your words but by your intent and your actions. If we all begin to become the good that we want to see in the world, the world will have no choice but to become the good that it sees in us. ~D.M.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 05:25:41 AMIts not a matter of race its a difference between right and wrong. Whos teaching these kids that this kind of shit is ok this society coming up is a bunch disrespectful, lazy,out of control,thugs I hope Im dead and gone when this new society comes up. They need to stick them all on the frontline in Iraq thenwe would see how tough they really are.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 09:18:04 AMto Donald Ross; i watch the same movies, play the same games, yet have not raped, killed or maimed anyone. Dont enable those who do by passing the blame. The blame lies with the person who committed the act. Again, i have to agree with all those who question parenting. Parenting in this country has turned into a farce. Parents expect the school system to raise their children yet they dont want the school system to punish their child. Children are so coddled and catered to, they think they deserve everything they want. They are never punished, so there is no sense of accountability for wrong actions. and dont tell me that a 'time out' is ample punishment for kids these days. the more and more i hear about 'time out' and not spanking, the more i seem to read about out of control kids and teens. does anyone not see the correlation? all the experts claim spanking induces violence, yet the trend seems to be exposing the opposite.
i could go on and on, but seriously, i cant take it when people blame media, video games, and other inanimate objects for the wrongdoing of humans. humans, the only being on the earth with a brain that is able to reason...to reason between right and wrong.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 11:04:11 AMThis is a shame that this happen to this girl, but instead of blaming everyone that wasn't involved lets focus in the ones that were there, it wasn't only the spanish kids but there were whites ect.. and as far as all the others that were watching they need to be put behind bars as well.. they might not had actually laid a hand on this girl but they are just as bad as the ones who did this. Norma B-if this would had been you getting gang raped would you still ask why is everyone focusing on the negativity I don't think so you instead need to thank God that it wasn't you, this girl and her family will have to live with this night mare for the rest of their lives, no one know how a rape and in this case a GANG RAPE can really mess up a person unless you your self have been there. No one held a gun to these kids head and told them to do this they decided them self to do this so lets stop blaming the taxes and the church. Everyone that was there needs to go to jail blame them and Not the girl or her father, maybe the father was looking for her none of us was there so instead lets pray that this family can pull together and get through this they will be in our prayers..and as far as being a COMMUNITY you all need to pull together and let others like these boys know you will not put up with this kind of crime in your community,stand as one, fight as one, be a community don't just say the word mean IT. God Bless this girl and make her strong.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 12:31:48 PMSo, I guess this is the Rape Rape Whoopi Goldberg was talking about when she said charaterized Roman Polanksi sodomy of 13 yr girl as just Rape.? Why didn't someone have some morality in the bystanders to gain distance from the scene and call 911 then contact the adults at the event to come to her aid. This is a terrible atrocity to be witnessed by many. What are the parents of the perpetrators teaching their children and to those that watched. I hope that the parents get sued for the irreprehensible and heinous acts for all they have.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 05:13:38 PMI hope this girl and her friends and all the rest of the whites in the school move away from the area. This did seem racialy motivated, I'm sorry but it did. Would they have done this thing to a Latina girl? There were grown men there too participating in this, NOT just the high school boys that knew her. Therefore, I think this is a hate crime agianst a white girl who was dumb enough to think she could ever fit in with the minorities who run this school. I'm sorry but she and the rest of the whites need to leave before another one gets hurt. Poor people hate white people, hell I grew up as a poor white who didn't like white "yuppies." I still think alot of whites had it easier than me and my family who had to struggle. Imagine what the poor/uneducated minorities think of white people. I live in a somewhat "bad" area now, I'm thinking about leaving to protect my young son. It doesn't matter that I am just as poor as the street thugs, when it comes down to it we are someone to take shit out on. We have a good neighbor realationship with about four people here the rest glare at me and walk up and down the street selling drugs. This girl needs to start over someware peacful, the latina girls are just going to laugth and start shit. I'd take care of it if anything like that happened to my family.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 05:32:26 PMEveryone is blaming tv and video games on this gang rape,Maybe if USA acted like they are USA and quit tring to please all the people coming from other countries and change the USA to make them happy,And if they wanna live in the USA then they should be treated just like us born here and our families family born here,Live by are ways not us change to live by their ways,If you think I am wrong then look what happened to that girl and who did it,If you want to be in the USA then act like it,If you still want your ways and your language and your values then go back to your country,US americans need to take back the USA and bring back are values,our laws and Language and stop letting non americans change us,And then and only then Americans will start to change.IN these other countries they think it right to treat women this way and to act this way.Amaricans stand up and take back our country,And teach are children the american ways,If your families family was born here then you will understand what I am saying,Cause we know the American way!
Posted 10/31/2009 at 08:24:04 PMPeople tend to act in accord with their values.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 08:56:32 PMShe was unwise to enter a darkened area and consume alcohol but what did she expect to happen?
Oh sure you can say the boys were to some extent influenced by alcohol and by group-dynamics but in reality nothing much happened that is all that surprizing.
Carla, all poor people don't hate white people. I'm not here to attack anyone on their opinion, so I only suggest that we take a step or two outside of our bubbles to examine things from more than one point of view. Whether you know it, understand it or accept it, the fact still remains that we are all connected. If we are not actively searching, without injecting blame or hate, for an unbiased solution to humanity's injustices, then we are all a part of the problem and just as guilty as the onlookers of this horrible crime!
Posted 10/31/2009 at 08:58:15 PMIn our house we have been discussing this case, not only should these guys be sent up for life , it should be at the girls discression to have their penises cut , a little at a time to give them cowards some pain that she endured. preferably IN PUBLIC AND WITH A RASOR BLADE , LIKE CARVING A STICK. AND LET EACH ONE WATCH AS IT IS BEING DONE GIVING BACK THEIR OWN MEDICINE, OH YES , GET THEM DRUNK ALSO AND LEAVE THEM UNDER A BENCH ALSO. WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO,
Posted 10/31/2009 at 09:38:40 PMYes this is a violent crime that happened to this young girl,For all you that think this is not about race you are wrong,Cause it will be for this young girl for the rest of her life,I know cause I was violently raped at 13,I am now 41,It will affect her whole life the way she thought and felt about people has now change,Do you think she will not fear people now cause of the race they are,The answer is yes.
Posted 10/31/2009 at 10:11:11 PMThey should take these guys no matter how old they are,Cause they didn't care how old she is and put them in a room with a bunch of sex offenders and rapist that like guys and let them do to them what they did to this girl in public then put them in prison for the rest of their life.
I hate to say it, but the first thing we "Americans" need to do is learn that we are not always right! American, European, African, Mexican..... We are still HUMAN!! God did not make Americans any different than he made any other nationality. We continue to rant about sending people back to their countries, and let's get back to the values that this country was built on.... What do you think Columbus did... Rape and pillage!! The triangle trade, Jamestown, Virginia, 1619, slaves being brought into America . Now don't get me wrong, I love my country dearly, but I am just stating the facts of "what our country was built on" for those who think placing blame on the minority is the solution.
There is no excuse for the brutal crime that these criminals committed, and our Justice system should drop the gavel swift and harsh for their actions. But, it does the world no justice for anyone to judge from their high horses based on race and religion, especially if the only thing that you are doing is judging.
Posted 11/01/2009 at 01:45:35 AMAll I can say is thank god this girl was out cold. As a parent I don't know if I would try to shield her from the truth about what took place. I would be devastated for her.
No matter her parents financial circumstance, I hope she gets a victims rights lawyer, and receives enough money for private schooling far far away. That is the least we can all pitch in and do for her.
I seriously hope her wounds can be healed as well, both body and mind. I guess now we say, thank god she survived. And I for one, will let the legal system do what it can. I'm tempted to find out the hospital and send flowers and a card. To the entire family.
Posted 11/01/2009 at 10:26:12 AMI read that the kids in the school didn't like this girl much. She was having trouble fitting in. This probibly was a set up to humiliate her. The question is WHY DIDN'T THEY LIKE HER? no-one's saying. Did she do something? Did she say something? or was it that they didn't like her cause she was white? We are going to find out soon enough.
Posted 11/01/2009 at 01:07:33 PMIt's amazing how some can say this country needs God and in the same breath send messages of hate. Jesus said the greatest commandment is love. So may be it is you who needs God the most.
Posted 11/01/2009 at 01:56:27 PMI know there's nothing i can do, say, or even give to this young women to erase what she is going through in this part of her humiliated life right now. But my heart n prayers go out to you sweety. Theres noone to blame but themselves. These are young men with no respect for themselves and others. I totally agree with that saying- eye for an eye. I just hope they are ready for whats coming their way!!
Posted 11/01/2009 at 02:49:25 PMD.M. said: What do you think Columbus did... Rape and pillage!! The triangle trade, Jamestown, Virginia, 1619, slaves being brought into America . Now don't get me wrong, I love my country dearly, but I am just stating the facts of "what our country was built on" for those who think placing blame on the minority is the solution.
First of all, the historical analogies are pointless. That's a different discussion altogether. Columbus...Jamestown...seriously? But since you mentioned it, ok...name one country - any country - that was founded on non-violent, peace-and-love principles? Go ahead and tell us where in the world territory was obtained that didn't involve the people living there not getting victimized. Secondly, a lot of groups, including Africans and Moslems as well as Europeans were involved. Native American tribes also owned African slaves. So it's pathetically simplistic of anyone to make the issue of slavery a simple white-black issue. Nor was it a strictly "American" issue.
But let's stick to THIS issue, shall we? Of course the horror of the crime speaks for itself. And yes, the perpetrators are animals and deserve to punished to the maximum. And animals like this come in all colors, too. OK, we got that. BUT...
I think it is totally hypocritical for whites to be told not to get upset over a white victim of bias crime. And yet, nobody bats an eyelash when Al Sharpton takes it upon himself to fly across country on behalf of a black victim of an alleged bias crime. Even when the crime never actually happened (Tawana Brawley, for instance, or the Duke "rape" case).
If this girl had been black or Hispanic and the rapists had been white...what would the response be from the black or Hispanic community? Do you realize the monumental amount of national news coverage there would be? And I suspect you'd be perfectly ok with all that. And yet, you chastise the white folks on here for being upset? And please, don't talk to me about there maybe a white kid among the perpetrators. That doesn't mitigate the racial bias of this attack. First of all, the white kid (if there is one) doesn't have any authority to "validate" this as a non-bias attack. His presence doesn't change anything.
Furthermore, whites are in a DISTINCT MINORITY in this school. So how is this attack on a minority student different from any other attack by a majority group on a minority individual? In this particular case, the victim IS the minority!
Posted 11/01/2009 at 06:44:32 PMWell if the high school and teachers have an attitude like that, it's no wonder these young people did what they did! What are 19 and 21 yr. olds doing hanging around a high school anyway? Do they not have chaperones watching the kids and the parking lot? If I lived there, my kids wouldn't be going to this school.
Posted 11/01/2009 at 07:16:30 PMMoira, I love the use of bold text in an attempt to drive a point home.... priceless.
Now... Moira said: I think it is totally hypocritical for whites to be told not to get upset over a white victim of bias crime. And yet, nobody bats an eyelash when Al Sharpton takes it upon himself to fly across country on behalf of a black victim of an alleged bias crime. Even when the crime never actually happened (Tawana Brawley, for instance, or the Duke "rape" case).
First of all, every white person in the world should be upset over this incident, and so should every black, mexican, asian and any other descent! If you are not upset, then there is something wrong with you as a human being.
As for your comment about me chastising the white folks on here for being upset, you are totally off base!!! I don't care what color you are, but if you are making statements that portray all poor minorities as uneducated animals that hate white people then you need a word or two. I feel that anyone that aids in the disintegration of race relations in this country is a huge part of the social, and economic problems that exist, when we speak of Tawana Brawley and Al Sharpton, and we might as well throw in Bill Oreilly and Rush Limbaugh to name a few, all searching for capital gain at humanity's expense!
Now Moira, you seem far from being an intellectual dwarf, and you are very smooth spoken and passionate about your point of view..... Without finger pointing and counter productive activity, what's the solution to preventing more heinous crimes like this?????
Posted 11/01/2009 at 10:00:06 PMLaws aren't tough enough on rapists. Anyone know how difficult it is to get one convicted after being assaulted? You have to relive all the details, repeat them to a jury (if there is one) or at lease to the very guy(s) that did it and your family. As a victim that went through all of that, its not easy. That poor girl has a long road ahead of her. the guy that assaulted me was 5 years older than me and i was 14 at the time. & it KEPT occurring over a two year period. He got 2 years in prison. So even after this girl jumps through all these hoops to get them convicted, how long will they really have to serve. And them family members of those guys will scream at the girl & everyone else that their brother, son, whatever would never do such a horrible thing. They will all blame her for it.
Posted 11/04/2009 at 11:59:25 AMCalifornia really needs to toughen up the laws. If the cops can't arrest the assholes that stood and WATCHED & get the facts from those kids, there is seriously something wrong. The ones that stood by and did nothing are just as guilty as the ones that physically raped her. It actually would have been better it she had been conscious enough to see the children that were there to help the police out. No one is going to waltz into the police station and just admit they raped her or stood by and watched. Believe me, if she could point the police in the right direction it would help immensely! They need all the help they can get to find the 'people' that did this.
And don't tell me that it would be too much for her to handle. That's a load of bullshit. Her family loves her and will support her. With therapy and time she'll get through this, be a better person and smarter for it.
"Gaggy" you're a true idiot. Just because someone grows up poor, with little or nothing to their name and no health care doesn't give them the right to be a criminal. I grew up living on mac & cheese, PB & J, and little else. My family was on government healthcare for all of my childhood and well into my teens. None of my sisters or my self have become criminals. We don't beat up people, take or sell drugs. We are all ABOVE average students and the three that are old enough all have jobs. Don't try to say that because you or these latinos that grew up with nothing have any excuse to act this way. Life is what you make of it. If they want to be worthless pieces of shit and only do harm, that is their CHOICE. No one is holding a gun to the heads of these damn kids to make them rape, sell drugs or start gangs. They are just too lazy to be a functional part of society.
Posted 11/04/2009 at 12:16:02 PMAND the new healthcare that the government is trying to start is going to fuck everyone. No one (except of course the extremely rich) will get the care they need. A lot of Doctors will have to stop working because there are too many rules and regulations and they can't afford to change everything they have to. Not only that, but for at least 6 months after; hospitals, doctor's offices, ect will be confused and running in circles figuring out the new billing forms, rules and everything else they have to change. I work in healthcare, don't try to lie to anyone and tell them other wise, that is EXACTLY what is going to happen.
I believe this problem started when God was thrown out of the schools. Kids aren't taught anymore the difference between right and wrong. about this being a racial crime, i doubt it. u can't blame crime on a race or economic status. we all have seen cases of white rapes white, white rapes mexican, mexican rapes mexican...etc. that list could go on all day! there's criminals of all races, ages and class. about all illegals leaving this country, that's just ignorance. i'll admit that i'm an illegal 23 year old woman, and there's no way i'm leaving. i have lived here since i was 8, and i know noone, and nothing in my country. all my life is here as of the lives of many other immigrants, so sending us all back, like i said is pure nonsense. blaming poverty and race on this crime only makes it ok for more poor mexicans to commit crimes like this, because the blame isn't falling on these idiots, it's falling on their ethnicity and their economy. i have 3 small children and i will fight with all i have to bring God back into their schools. i think every parent should take that into consideration also. don't worry about the criminals in this case they will pay. regardless of their punishment here on earth, they will pay. my prayers are with this girl and her family. that's what we all should do, instead of sit here and try to find a blame to this horrible crime. sorry if i offended or incommoded anyone.
Posted 11/05/2009 at 12:41:16 AMLET'S BRING GOD BACK TO OUR SCHOOLS!!
DEATH PENALTY
Posted 11/06/2009 at 02:02:50 PMOkay, where do I begin?
First of all, matt said: "I will pray for them. Both the attackers and the victim." You are serious? You have got to be kidding me. Pray for these monsters. Pray for boys that savagely raped this girl, not only with their members, but also objects. The world of today is a dog eat dog world, and you, matt, are going to get eaten alive.
On to the next one, neyeli molina said: "hey mexicans are not perverts... even though this accident happend.." You, neyeli, are an idiot. Accident? It's not like they slipped, over and over again, whoops, sorry ma'am. This was no accident, it was a horrendous crime. For you to say otherwise proves how intelligent you are. Let's hope this never happens to you. If it was a mexican girl, raped for 2 hours by a majority of white guys, I am sure you would not be saying it was an accident...
Last, but surely not least, miriam patel said:
Posted 11/06/2009 at 06:05:21 PM"I hope the girls in our country start to wake up and see what could happen if you drink and loose control of your self.You are your own best friend if you can keep your self safe and respect your body no one has any courage to do any thing to you. GIRLS SHOULD NOT PUT THEMSELVES IN SUCH SITUATIONS WHERE MEN BECOME ANIMALS AND LOOSE ALL SENSE OF MORALITY.KEEP YOUR SELF SAFE. STOP DRINKING STOP THE DRUGS YOU ALL ARE RUINING YOUR PRECIOUS LIVES. GOD HAS GIVEN YOU THIS LIFE AS A GIFT USE IT IN A POSITIVE MANNER INSTEAD OF THROWING YOUR SELVES AT EVERY TOM DICK AND HARRY." You are an absolute... I can't even think of anything bad enough to call you. For you to blame the victim just trying to fit in...I am at a loss for words. To blame the girl who went through 2 hours of hell, with no help from anyone. Then in the same sentence give these evil immature bastards an excuse. I just cannot believe what I read from you. Like saying a woman deserves to be raped because of the clothes she wears and it wasn't the mans fault, she made him do it. You, and all people involved in this article except the girl, are what's wrong with the world today. TRASH!!!
Okay... I have a 15 year old girl and this makes me sick... 1st I dont give a Sh*% about what good is at this school, this just out weighed the good by 1000 times!!! And as a parent I would get my kids some serious help if they witnessed this and did nothing! What sort of animals watch this and do nothing? Is this community raising such cold hearted children that they could watch this and do nothing, then walk away and live life. I know my children 18 and 15 would not be able to do that!!! And for that I am proud. My kids want to stop and help stranded motorist if it is cold! Last winter there was a car stalled when it was 10 below zero, and my son made me turn around after driving 10 minutes to make sure that they have help! he was afraid that they were going to freeze, and he questioned my moral for driving by!!! These kids are sick... And parents at this school need to be aware of either their mistakes, or that the enviroment that the kids are in at school is screwing them up! They have to start feeling for others.
Posted 11/09/2009 at 12:46:49 PMRobin,
Congrats on actually raising your kids right, and instilling morals in them. Seems like it's almost a trend to have kids, and not give a damn about them, or what they do, and it's becoming an epidemic.
Posted 11/09/2009 at 01:31:58 PMAs a fifteen year old girl, I was deeply disturbed not only by this story, but by the comments left here.
To understand how a crime like this is possible, look no further than your own biases, your own political and religious agendas, your own lack of empathy, your own carelessness.
Posted 11/11/2009 at 12:00:18 PMThis is not about god or race or tv or poverty. This is about violence towards women and a culture basically built around it. This is gang culture in which young girls are gang raped to be a part of the gang. This poor girl wasn't being initiated into a gang, but these same scumbags who did this to her have probably already gang raped many poor young women. It's just how the culture is. This time, though, they just happened to perform their usual activities on a non-gang girl rather than an initiate. This is why it makes the news.
Believe me, this whole thing sickens me and I feel so much for that poor girl. I also feel for all those other young girls in which this is a way of life and no one cares about them. Not only that, fellow young girls keep the whole thing going. I hope this case brings to light the gang and gang rape culture that destroys so many women's lives. These type of gang rapists usually keep it within the confines of the "girls of the gang."
Posted 11/11/2009 at 12:07:36 PMI agree with you LOLCleveland that this is about a culture based on violence against women...and I'll add sexual violence against children to that. Whether these types of crimes are committed by members of an organized gang or not, there is way too much of it in our society and it's beyond sick.
Posted 11/11/2009 at 05:19:27 PMRape and violence has existed for a long time before tv and video games, Donald Ross. We live in a disgusting world filled with vile horrible people. Something like one in five women have been raped or sexually abused.
Posted 11/12/2009 at 12:58:43 AMI think we should return the Eunich. Chop off all rapists members, with a group watching, jeering and put it on You Tube. That is justice.
First of all, when freaking parents don't care where their 15 year old girl is at midnight what else do they expect. Second, to actually punish these guys, someone should gang rape their sister/girlfriend and then make video of them and sell it. Sick bastards.
Posted 11/12/2009 at 09:01:18 PM"hinsonian said:
i'm astonished at all the racist remarks... i don't know how long it will take for people to wake the f--- up and realize that the real differentiator is socio-economic class. race is not real. it is, however, the made-up belief system that has kept entire cultures in poverty, with no rights, no chances. When society has nothing to offer these poor forgotten people, they retaliate because they have no sense of home. We need to give everyone a home: a place to belong and have worth. then our kids will have respect for their communities and other people. basic human psych."
Posted 11/13/2009 at 06:01:52 PMHmm.. I consider communism. Also religion and race is a key factor for everything wrong in the world. We should stop judging races and stop believing in things that are not real, because religion is the BIGGEST factor of violence today. The world would be a better place with communism and scientology
Hang those SOBs and then send them home in a box
Posted 11/16/2009 at 08:14:11 PMNow you know why I left California. When one believes themselves and others are no more than an animal, then one loses respect for any other person and for the sanctity of life.
Posted 01/08/2010 at 11:04:06 AM"Religion" Are you serious? The absence of belief in God is THE reason these persons stood and watched. Not one Christian would have stood and watched an innocent person being raped. Would you have? Hell, I remember about a decade ago a man in NY raped a child on the sidewalk and not one person even stopped to do anything. Can it be said there is no God in CA and there is no God in NY? Soon, there will be no God in America. There is surely no GOOD in Richmond. Not that night. I think all that the families of everyone who was there has should be taken from them and put in a trust fund for this girl.
Good. Let this be a lesson to would be bullies and the like. Life.
What do you expect from a state where father's sell their 14 year old daughters to guys for cases of meat and beer? And then report it to the police when they don't get paid.
Posted 01/08/2010 at 11:33:04 AMRove,
Posted 01/09/2010 at 08:16:55 AMI agree. It's time we stop being so God-damn politically correct and religiously considerate and get these attitudes wiped out of these people's heads. The government, with it's bullshit affirmative action only creates a bunch of regulations that they visit on businesses that serve to create resentment and confusion and make the average joe pay the consequences. Lets get real. The government needs to stop wasting money on these stupid wars and fork over the money and get these communities up to snuff with the rest of the United States before the whole country turns into a 3rd world country. If you drive down the street in DC or Pittsburg, or Atlantic city in the city, you would have to ask yourself, "who the fuck would want to live there?" The US needs to fork over the funds to clean up these places and make them a place you can walk thru and really get serious on nabbing gangs. We don't need to respect other cultures bullshit, we need to respect other human beings.