This should have been one of those scenarios where the cops "never found him" and save the taxpayers some money. Cops should have washed his mouth out with buckshot and made him disappear. Shoot your own son...what a piece of crap.

I agree. They should have just shot him It would save a lot of time and money with the trial. He doesn't even deserve a trial. A moron like that doesn't deserve to live. Killing your own son over a video game?

I can just see his statement at sentencing, "Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time."

I can't believe that a father could murder his own son. Its absolutely sick

Think about this same situation if the dad and his friends had been smoking weed... Really think about it.
That's one of the many reasons it should be legalized..

You are all missing the big picture... Did they find the video game?

alcohol is one helluva drug

the bud lights had nothing to do with it!!!

jak - you are an idiot. This guy was obviously drunk and deserves to rot in hell for killing his own son.

Legalize marijuana. How many people die from alcohol each year compared to marijuana. What a joke. People running this country ignorant.

Um, how does one get drunk on light beer? Am I missing some "in joke"? Sorry I am not from the USA, so I'm guessing Bud Light might be a euphamism in this case.

Anyway, obviously it is a heinous crime,and he deserves to be punished appropriately. Appropriately in your country means trial by jury and then appropriate sentencing upon being found guilty.

Please don't encourage police brutality. In doing so, you bring yourselves down to the level of the perpetrator.

I don't get why everybody sees alcohol as the main cause. Think about gun legislation, not drug legislation!

Real Men of Genius...

fatching, nobody here is sinking down to the level of the perpetrator. We all want the moron killed because he is a murderer not because he can't find our video game. See the difference? Save our country money and eliminate idiots like this ASAP!!!

@run, if you take all guns away then the only ones with guns are the ones who intend to do harm. its already happened in Australia,

@rue: You're an idiot!

They say if you "outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns", but I honestly feel rather them than the *idiots*.

This is yet another reason why alcohol and weapons do not mix. adolescent egocentrisim, which is a state of mind in a developing young person that makes you feel invincible was most likely also a part of this tragedy. The father is at fault no matter the case, but the son is also guilty of antagonizing the father further by knocking the gun away. The murder is unjust and the man who killed his own son should be locked up.

lol he was joking about the bud lite because he likes it and it shouldn't be blamed because of the picture up there.

learn to read sarcasm guys...jesus

N?a: And gun violence here is remarkably low. I live in the largest city in Australia, and if somebody is murdered with a handgun, it makes the evening news. Would the news in New York or Atlanta even have time to list all the gun deaths in a day?

Kill the murderer and we become no better than god who killed his own son
Rehabilitation is the the way

Inciting cops to "do justice with their own hands" is fine... untill they think your son/father/mother IS guilty of something on a crime scene.
Oh, but he isn't guilty?
Too late. "Justice" has been done, cannot be undone.

And why the same people that are blaming beer for the crime is blaming the father for the crime? "Beer is the devil! Kill that father!". I never shot or even got into a fight, and trust me, I drunk a lot already. Laws can't be created to condemn the majority of the people. They tried once, and failed miserably.

When you don't know what you're talking about, try to think about it a little bit, before spilling it out.

It's not the shotgun's fault. It's not the beer's fault. If this person was normal to begin with, the alcohol would not have been a factor. You have to have a head and heart that is psychologically unfit to begin with - the beer just adds to it. I wonder how many years this poor kid was abused in the first place. You just don't get drunk and rage over a videogame one day. It means you have raged over minuscule stuff in the past and threatened bodily harm or caused it while drunk before.

And to the guy not from this country arguing over police brutality - come take a look at the scum our taxes pay for on an hourly basis, and look at the guys in jail over misdemeanor pot charges and tell me that the system is not the most moronic you have ever seen. The punishment should fit the crime and a guy with a dime bag in his pocket should not be jailed. I don't smoke pot, never have, but I know ignorance of the law when I see it.

This guy should not be allowed to languish in prison and we should not have to pay for it either. Just get it over with.

N?a... Are you serious?
Do you honestly believe that a person like that has a 'right' to have a gun?
Guns should be illegal, but it's the mentality of the populous that needs an overhaul.
I'm from Ireland, guns are illegal, people are shot by criminals on very rare occasions, but there are next to no 'accidental' deaths because it's very difficult to get your hands on a gun. It's not impossible but it stops most of the complete idiots getting their hands on a deadly weapon.
Surely the statistics speak for themselves. As for Australia, how many high-school massacres have there been? How many deaths per head of capita relate to gun crime?
Compare it to The good ol' U.S. of A. Per head of capita your death rate by guns is ridiculous.

Thyago don't be so naive, anyone with drinking experience should know alcohol often leads to violence, sexual assaults and various other acts when normally a person wouldn't act that way. You are one person who doesn't fight drunk for the 20 others who do; as far as vigilante justice goes you again are being narrow minded. Everyone says to exact it on this one person, not everyone - this is an open and closed case not a debate. So before you start spouting off I think you should open your eyes a little and think.

Try living with a drunk...anything is possible when they are drinking! And the "orrys" do not matter!

and they should have just taken him out front of the place and executed the guy.

there were plenty of witnesses... people saw the crime happen...

just execute him and save the cell

Also I don't think alcohol was the leading factor in this case like others have said this guy was already unstable, alcohol causes you to act more irrationally though; that is a given fact. This guy was obviously a headcase before the booze but it does allow you to act free of consequence till you sober up. Also in my above post I am not blaming alcohol for the persons actions , but it does inebriate a person into irrational thinking.

I'm sure that will learn him and everyone else to touch his video games!

I'm a Canadian so keep my perspective in mind. We have pretty strict gun laws here in canada. Chances are (up here) anyone capable of killing their son in this capacity wouldn't have access to a firearm. Blame the buds, blame the man, but you've got to understand: YOUR GUN LAWS DON"T MAKE ANY SENSE!!

Gun related deaths per 100,000 people:

U.S.A. 14.24
Brazil 12.95
Mexico 12.69
Estonia 12.26
Argentina 8.93

Seriously you are above Brazil and Mexico. Seems to me that there can be no argument to say that gun legalisation is a good thing or anyone's 'right'. What about the thousands who are killed each year by accident, never mind the 100s of thousands of injuries caused by guns each year.
You need to grow up.

@N?a

Private ownership of firearms legislation differs massively in USA compared to any other 'developed nation'.

Where is the highest proportion of gun-deaths in the developed world? USA.

Surely one must consider that the level of gun ownership is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire?

Regards

I'm sorry, but most of you are complete idiots. There is a common saying "If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns". Making firearms illegal will NOT keep them off the streets and out of the hands of criminals. Drugs are illegal, how easy is it to get those?

Secondly, cops should not have shot this guy. EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial, no matter how horrible the crime. You guys need to read up on the Bill of Rights.

Hmmm, it seems that 5 different sites reporting this all tell a different story.
One that he turned himself in
One that there was a standoff at his HOUSE and THEN turned himself in
the fight was with the mother and the kid tried to stop it
No birthday party involved
and this one

Who here has never killed a few nachos over a video game?

I'm personally guilty.

@Tetsujin: I implore you to crawl back under the rock whence you crawled you little, sorry excuse for a human being. A 17-year old is killed for no real reason and you're making racial slurs. Nice, dude, real nice. I bet you wouldn't repeat that joke at the wake you slimy POS. C'mon, I dare ya.

@Kublai Khan
Will there be drinking at said wake?

Perhaps that part should be canceled.

btw, if you think I'm a terrible human being then I want your blinders when I go out.

oh ALSO: I'm not certain what was racist about what I said considering that "Nacho" is a VERY COMMON nickname for Ignacio.

Lot's of passion and zero intelligence.

Oh minorities, you make news interesting and life depressing.

@ John Brown

I'm afraid I will have to refer you to this website http://www.guninformation.org/ as your view on gun ownership is certainly skewed in the wrong direction... See below...

MYTH: If you outlaw guns only the outlaws will have guns.
TRUTH: If you outlaw guns, very few criminals will have guns. In America guns start out legal. Then they enter the black market one way or the other (source). So if you have less legal guns then there will less guns entering the black market and consequently less outlaws owning guns. Think about it. Nations with very strict gun control laws such as the UK, Australia, and Japan have much lower gun crime rates than the US. The most probable explanation for this is that criminals in the US have much greater access to guns due to less gun control. Saying "If you outlaw guns only the outlaws will have guns" is very misleading and completely absurd. If you outlaw guns, less outlaws will have guns. Would you rather have more or less outlaws owning guns? The answer is obvious.

Regards

How could a father do that to his son, no matter how much hrs after drinking!

How easy is it to get a gun in the states? Especially for a nutcase like this!

@Jon Stout
First of all, let me say, you are comparing gun related deaths, which include suicides, not just homicides by firearm, so yes, since guns are more prevelant, if someone is going to commit suicide, that is much easier with a gun, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have just hung themself or used some other means to commit the act. When you only look at gun related homicides, we are much lower than Brazil and Mexico (and even lower than Northern Ireland). Secondly, the reason why guns are a right in America is because when this country was founded, the leaders saw the imbalance in weapons between the ruling class and the populus as a possible threat to liberty. In America, the power of the government comes from the people. If the people feel the government is not following the wishes of the people, it is our duty to correct that. This is done through elections and the political process. Now, what happens when the political process fails us? If a tyrant decides that he doesn't care about the people? What happens when the people have nothing left to lose in fighting an oppressive government? In a country where the people have no rights to guns, like Saudi Arabia, they can protest, and they can be easily killed by the government who has guns. Now if the people have guns, it is going to come down to who is willing to die for what they believe in. If the people have nothing to lose, they will win. Personal liberty is never about one small example (as in the story above), it is about the overall good. Yes, you can say, well there will be less gun violence, and that is probably true, but what if we got rid of cars? there would be less road rage and car accidents, right? what if we decided that we should all have cameras on ourselves and in all areas of our homes? That would certainly make it easier to track down criminals. But, by sacraficing personal liberties, what we gain in security, we lose in our quality of life. To paraphrase H.L Menken, the problem with fighting oppression is one must spend a majority of ones time defending scounderals. For scounderals are at whom oppression is first aimed, and if one is to stop oppression, it must be stopped at the beginning. People tend to take out of a story like this what they want to. Some might say this is proof guns should be illegal, some that alcohol should be illegal, some that video games should be illegal, some even that certain people having children should be illegal. But it is always much easier to outlaw something than to legalize that same thing, so tread carefully, such calls can have very far-reaching effects.

Actually, the US tops every gun-related death category except in Congo, Rwanda, and a few other war-torn areas. The article is a little dated but any newer article has similar, if not identical, statistics. The US loves its guns enough to pay for them with its own blood.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166

wow thats insane i dont even know how to get drunk off of budlight that guy must have had problems i hope he gets the chair

@Mickey

You do realize that those numbers are from 2002, right? And the wikipedia link you posted shows 4 other countries ahead of the US for gun deaths per capita as well.

If guns were taken out of the picture, he still would have used some kind of weapon to attack him, so alcohol and a person unfit to live are to blame for this.

Are you guys really arguing that easier access to firearms for everyone is safer than making them illegal? Haha, that is just completely inane. I can see no situation where flared tempers are helped with the introduction of lethal firearms. You guys give us Americans a bad name. Guns, politics and standard of living were just slightly (note: sarcasm) different when the constitution was written.

Oh, and living your life through 'age old sayings' is also silly.

Sometimes you have to stop short of blind faith and really filter the filth you type.

Society as a whole is pathetic, just like most of you liberals on this website. It's so much easier for you to just take the simple path and ban everything, taking away people's rights rather than to focus on the root cause of everything. I know it's pointless to expect people to change, unless it's them getting worse than they use to be. Family structure and morals have degraded to almost the point of non-existance in this nation and yet we feel the proper course of action is to take away rights and freedoms from, normal law abiding citizens, punishing them along with the criminals like a bunch of kids. How would you feel if the government started "protecting" citizens from having gambling problems by enforcing a budget on each person, denying them the ability to spend their own money on whatever they wanted? Would you like them to have total control of your income, not just the taxes you pay? Would you not agree that with a nation wide budget the US population as a whole would become more wealthy and better prepared for retirement, whilest reducing the cost for welfare??

When does the "doing what's best for the country at the cost of your freedom" end? Would we be a more efficient society if we changed to Neo-Nazism? Socialism?

It was just a goof.

The slippery slope argument is such a pathetic attempt at generalizing arguments like these as detrimental to ALL of our freedom. It's almost impossible for, and I personally hate to generalize, conservatives to look at a specific issue like gun control and not jump straight to 'controlling everything'. Guns are designed to kill. They're instruments specifically designed for violence. It's significantly different than the design of automobiles and ...gambling? really?

The concept of gun control hasn't turned other democratic nations into *GASP* socialist beings. You seem to overlook regulations on things that already exist, such as drugs and monopolies. I view guns as being far more harmful than many of the outlawed drugs.

@Darkray16:

No, using a gun for you is too easy. He didn't want really to kill his child, I guess. He was drunk. He never had taken a knife.
These things do not happen so often here in italy, where is not so easy to own a gun.
When these things happen here, its because someone used a gun without having the right to use it, or stole it. And it's -rare-.

This is the saddest and most disturbing thing I've read in awhile. I'm an 18 year old guy and this is why me and all my friends smoke weed. So stuff like this doesnt happen.

Legalize the jane, everyone stays sane

This man was obviously a huge screw up, I never met an alcoholic who wasn't. Alcoholics hate themselves have no patience and are quick to temper. He probably hated his son was getting all this attention because he hates himself, decided to pick on him for one little thing where he had no patience on waiting to find the game, then the next logical step is violence, in most cases the kid would have just gotten a beating but since this maniac had gun near by he decide to shoot is son.

By criminalizing marijuana, we drive people to drink. We see super bowl ads and internet ads etc. that say drinking is great. Obviously, it's not for everyone and we need to give people who deal with anger issues the choice of smoking marijuana.
Marijuana is non-addictive, non-toxic, and non-carcinogenic, makes you more calm rather than more aggressive and rash. It makes no sense to ban weed when tobacco and alcohol are both much worse.

Can you pot smoking losers stop whining? Guess what, the rest of us don't care if it's legalized or not, just stop whining. You guys are pathetic.

Original story:
Why do these people reproduce?

Hector:

One more thing: Give me a break. People aren't going to stop drinking if they can smoke pot. They're going to do BOTH.

Another drunk acting ignorant and nothing will be said of alcohol because too many politicians are making money off it. If this was all about a dad that was high on marijuana it would be the biggest story ever for anti-marijuana people. You can get drunk on any kind of alcohol even mouthwash, so for all the idiot frat boy wanna be's saying "how did he get drunk on Bud Light" you are those idiots who brag about how much beer you can slam and how "fucked up" you were, losers. Guns are part of U.S. citizens freedom and rights. What if we were invaded or all hell broke loose, wouldn't you want a means to protect yourself against an enemy who surely would have a gun? They are meant for protection, not for idiots like this who probably think they are "hard" or something to that effect. The people committing the most crimes with guns are criminals and thugs who would be committing the crimes with some other form of weapon if guns weren't available. If the U.S banned guns it would just be an open door for every 3rd world gun producing/selling nation to start their black market business in the US and make tons of money doing so. And let me touch on the racism. Its a fact that black and hispanic people tend to like to get stupidly drunk and also angry while also carrying or having access to a gun and many times don't think twice about using it. Look at all the most prominent gangs in the US.. who is it? Young hispanics and blacks killing each other. This "Dad" was probably some wanna-be gang banger or just thought he was a bad ass, add that with some alcohol and you have a very typical situation really.

No I wont stop "whining" because my rights are being violated.
I would be punished, thrown in jail, for consuming something that is LESS HARMFUL AND LESS ADDICTIVE than alcohol. The constitution guarantees equal protection to all its citizens, but not if you smoke something that is LESS HARMFUL AND LESS ADDICTIVE than tobacco.
And I for one would stop drinking if I could smoke weed at the football tailgate instead.
Sorry, but if you want me to stop whining, you better vote for legalizing it. Writing your congressman would help too.

Hector,

That's ok -- there are far more important things that I would write to my congressman about before marijuana e.g., health care reforming, stopping illegal immigration.

C'mon whether gun laws are right or wrong you cannot say this "would not have happended if he didn't have a gun." How do you know he wouldn't of beat his son to death with a baseball bat or strangle him. The man was mentally unstable, tried to show his "machoism" by threating his son. Especially when drunk, anything could have set him off and he could have used any means to harm his son or anyone else. It just so happens that this time the man had a gun, but there are hundreds of other cases of domestic violence/homicides using many other weapons or bare hands.

@Dan

"whenever gun ownership rights are debated, anti-gun activists like to point out that about 30,000 people are killed by guns in America every year -- although they seldom note that about 60 percent of those deaths are suicides, or that the firearm murder rate has dropped by 40 percent in the past 15 years, or that far more people are killed by motor vehicles or medical malpractice every year than are killed by guns.

And they never mention how many crimes have been prevented by citizens bearing arms.

Once again, that's a hard thing to quantify. One U.S. government survey in the 1990s estimated that more than 80,000 Americans a year used guns in an effort to protect themselves or their property against crime. Other estimates put the number far higher, at more than 2 million crimes prevented each year by the presence of privately-owned firearms."

"Doctors:
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human S er vices.

Now think about this:

Guns:

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's
80 million)

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is
1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI

So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more
dangerous than gun owners

Remember , 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE
DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.

We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

Doctor control! Doctor control!"

When will it be OK to sterilize this kind of person, so that we as a society don't have to deal with their offspring?

Why do you pot smokers want to legalize weed? If you do you would have nothing to talk about anymore. Think about it, you would be an expert in nothing. High Times magizine would go out of business, you wouldn't feel bad in a pipe shop anymore. Your life would be normal. Then you'll probaly take up drinking.

All you guys should bot be so quick to judge, This article is missing many important details...like what game was it?

you guys are obviously missing the FUCKING point. a kid got shot, the dad is on trial. thats bad. beer and weed in this scenario - thats irrelevant. the other dude was right, learn sarcasm, or dont comment.

@DanHebs

Once again, two unrelated situations are being compared.

You and I both know what a doctor's job entails, so I don't really feel the need to go into why deaths related to doctors differ from deaths caused by firearms.

The purpose of a firearm is to kill/injure. While a doctor's intent is to either help or save a patient's life.

I'm not sure at any point did I say "we need to outlaw guns in America." I just find it embarrassing that people believe a country is safer with guns being legal than one with proper authority and regulation/ban on guns.

I'm sick of people who kill each other while intoxicated, be it behind the wheel of a car or just like this, and yet get super pissed when you try and take away their drug of choice.

Seriously, if they use this story to lambaste video games some more, I quit. Why are morons like Jack Thompson busting on video games when they SHOULD be cracking down on alcohol?!?!

Mad Mike for president!!

Mad Mike said:
This should have been one of those scenarios where the cops "never found him" and save the taxpayers some money. Cops should have washed his mouth out with buckshot and made him disappear.

We need a presidential Mafia consultant who can make sure no one ever finds out about stuff like this.

These articles seem to be written for shock value only. I think its all bullshit

dude what the eff DID THEY FIND THE video game? this is really bugging me

He must have lost Borderlands for Xbox 360. That's the only probable explanation.

He should had let him run away.

Never would of happened if he was high on marijuana.

How does anyone know this guy wasn't high on weed, not everyone who smokes weed has the time to comment on threads during work hours. Some potheads shoot their kids, its a fact, the only difference is that pothead child killers have better aim because of all the videogame practice.

Tell me why is marijuana illegal and alcohol is legal???? How many people murder or inflict harm on someone else? Laws need to be changed!

Yeah, I totally agree with all of you. The best way to deal with a murderer is to murder them. Almost 100% positive that you're Christian, given the sheer amount of hypocrisy and total lack of critical thought that could lead you to that conclusion. Do us all a favor and fucking shoot yourselves.

Ken, you're an idiot.

Isn't it funny how alcohol is legal and weed is illegal. Bastards..

I smoked weed for 20 years and am amazed at how the dopeheads STILL think it's harmless! Here's a statistic for you: 80% of weed smokers HAVE tried something harder, 65% have gone on to have a real problem with the harder drug. NO I'm not talking about a "once in high school and twice in college" smoker. But alcohol AND drugs (including weed guys!) do create a snowball effect for a lot of people. Shooting your own son -hell, shooting ANYONE is beyond sick. And YEAH, while we on it - GUNS don't kill people - they are inanimate objects, PEOPLE kill PEOPLE and if you're and idiot you got no business owning a gun. There should be a test before you get a gun called "ARE YOU AN IDIOT"? and if you pass you can't buy a gun.

That's why MMJ should be legal. Get more info at weedhq:com

Oh well at least he is going to prison ... hope he enjoys the showers and beatings, he sure as hell deserves them for the rest of his f***ing life.

I have to agree with rue, not about the alcohol, but about gun legislation. Some people need to be extensively checked before being handed a gun. Also, try not drinking at a CHILD'S BIRTHDAY PARTY, I mean, WTF???

y beer is legal and weed isn't
im pretty sure no one has tried to kill some one wile they were high
lol
but then again, this world is crazy so i might be wrong

I think the alcohol was a factor. But I don't think it's the main reason. I drink helluva lot but I never get violent. Alcohol is an enhancer. If you're a violent person, you get more violent because alcohol takes away your reasonings and good judgments. So he must've been abusive or controlling around the house before the beers. I think the beers enhanced the crazy in him.

Also, I agree with the taking guns away is a bad thing. It happened in Aussie. If you take guns away, only illegal guns are held by criminals. And only the police and government would have it. Without the citizens owning guns, the government can become too powerful. That's the reason it's in the Constitution: TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM A FOREIGN THREAT (let it be a thug or an oppressive government). Don't blame the gun legislation for it. Good law abiding citizens have that right.

I think the idiot was just a very violent guy to start with and alcohol just made it worse. But don't go blaming sweet alcohol or the gun legislation for it. The guy was a dick for killing his son. And I agree that he should've had a fair trial and sentenced; otherwise we'd be promoting police brutality and that's giving the police/ government too much power.

Why does this article hate Bud Light???

@Dan

Well said, i couldn't agree more.
I laughed at the fact you had to state sarcasm. Odd how americans (sorry for generalisation) do not 'get' sarcastic comments.

I blame the (violent) video game.

Only in America! :D:D:D:D:D

Even the arabs dont kill theyre own kind looool...

To all the... individuals... from other nations saying that we need to remove guns from the American population's hands: The wonderful thing about America is that we have this little thing called the Second Amendment that a few of us are VERY protective of. It states that we have the RIGHT to bear arms. A lot of us are damn proud of that right (one that, if I might remind some of the domestic users, that the USSC has UPHELD). Like it or not, America is a nation forged by the firearm. Think of most every chapter of American history (save the civil right movement) and you'll find firearms. They are an embeded part of our history and culture.

With that, as a citizen of the nation in which you chastize for the ownership of said weapons, I find your comments beyond insulting. If you do not like firearms in the hands of your populus, wonderful. I respect that. HOWEVER, this is OUR nation with it's own unique culture and history, not YOUR nation. Our forefathers fought and died for these rights. Our citizenry EARNED those rights. We invite you to come over and partake in those wonderful rights, however, if you have issue with me having a firearm in my home, perhaps you ought to re-consider re-locating here.

Respectfuly,
With great agitation,

Some random dude in San Jose, California.

This is why we should shoot Mexicans and use them as cattle feed. Dirty fucking beaners.

Guns don't kill people..

..(lost) VIDEOGAMES gives people a reason to kill.. er, people.

Kidding aside. That was sick.

@Dan
I agree with chris, it is funny how you had to put (sarcasm) so everyone would understand what you meant...kind of like how you replied to DanHebs' post about how doctors are more dangerous than guns. You're totally right that guns are designed to hurt people and doctors are trying to help people. Obviously DanHebs wasn't being sarcastic, or he would have put (sarcasm) somewhere in there, so Americans would know what he was talking about. Also, thanks for pointing out that luiving life through 'old age sayings' is a waste of time. Now that I think about it, that really is true, because no one who lived before now could possibly have had anything useful to say, or they'd prob still be here, right? I mean winston chuchill, socrates, plato, your grandfather, if they were so smart, why are they dead? What have you done for me lately Einstein? Oh yeah, nothing since you're dead now...suck on that Mr. "theory-of-special-relativity". Yeah, I'll tell you what's so special about it, it's OLD, that's what. They should start calling it the "Theory of old and therefore useless relativity". Anyway, guns are now designed for violence, that is true, and I was going to say that Lao Tzu said that weapons are instruments of violence and no peaceful man should own one, but he's like WAY dead, so who cares what he says anyway. So I'll say this instead: I agree that guns are dangerous and are designed for violence, and it would be totally kick-ass if there were no guns, so I guess I'm totally for uninventing guns. However, unless you can design some kind of uninventing machine, I say let people be on equal footing. I mean really, do you really want China, or Russia or North Korea to be the only ones with nuclear weapons? If they didn't have them, I'd be all for getting rid of them, but the reality is, there are international laws against a country like North Korea from having nuclear weapons, but that isn't stopping them from at least trying, and it is only a matter of time before they are successful. Think about this, guns are designed for violence, but the question is: violence against whom? Violence against an attacker is never considered evil, is it? So if you punch someone on the street for no reason, that is bad, but if you punch someone on the street for trying to punch your children, that isn't bad. now what happens when you punch someone is trying to shoot your child (with an illegal gun)? it doesn't matter much if it is good or bad, it is certainly going to be less effective. Personal liberties are the only case where slippery slope arguments are valid because when you give up a right (or a right to fight for that right), it is far more difficult to get that right back. Prohibition is a prefect example of this, which is why this board seems to have so many pro-legalization commentors, because over 50% of our country believe marijuana should be legal (at least for medicinal purposes) and those laws should be based on what the people believe, and yet, it certainly is NOT legal. Since 'old age sayings' don't seem to float your boat (is that an old age saying, i'm not really sure, cause maybe people used to have more boats, anyway, sorry if it is) I'll leave you with a relatively saying 'Hippies, hippies... they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and play frisbee! ' -Eric Theodore Cartman

Just one less less piece of Mexican trash in the world.

Lol. Isn't it usually the other way around?? Ive seen articles about the sons killing the parents over games. Hilarious!

i cant believe that dumbass shot ignacio uhh i fucking hate him ignaio wus sweet and kind as hell uhh it pisses me off and over a stupid fucking video game (yes i knew ignacio)i know there family they're going through realy tough times rite now it breaks my heart

that is so sad,i hope the murderer get punishment soon

Ok, I may be a bit late to comment here, but I just have to point out one thing. To all of you saying it's the fault of handguns ad that they should be outlawed because "my country has outlawed them and look at how well we're doing" I would like to point out that the Swiss have been arming the bulk of there populous for hundreds of years. They began with bows, stepped up to crossbows, and now most people living there know how to shoot rifles or handguns fairly well. They did this for the same reason that America gives the right to bear arms: so that if the need arises the people can defend their rights from any who would take them, be they invaders or their own government. And it's worked out well for them. We have guns in America for the very same reason. The fact that we have such a large population, all of which has it's own opinions on proper gun laws and everything else. This unfortunate example is simply a price that we deal with for having the freedoms that we enjoy.

Sitting in our homes we sometimes forget that majority of people are low IQ beat-nicks with primate minds.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This amendment does not mean you have the right to have a gun, this amendment enables you to own a firearm if you intend to be part of a militia. I'm not sure exactly when people took it out of text and decided "Oh hey look that says i can keep and bear arms! It must be my birth right let's all collect guns!" but they are wrong.

what game was it?

Hello, my 17 yr.old son,started cussing me out and being very unruly. He is a 200 lb.pure muscle, 6 Ft tall & mean. He just assaulted his Dad in JUne, punching him in his head 3 times. Our son in either in a fight or trying to fight constantly. I had him in anger mgnt for over two years with a counselor. Recently, while cussing at me over his 2-d's and 1-f on report card, his Dad yelled and said knock it off right now. Immediately our son said "What the F... are you gonna do". and on and on. MY hubbie is far from a sissy he is 6ft and 250 pounds, with a broken arm, nerve damage in back from accident and 5 herniated disc's. In the next five minutes, our son attempted to assalt his fathers broken arm, I used my 150 lb to protect my hubbie. In the middle of attacks, hubbie grabbed his UNLOADED shotgun and pointed it towards the boy. jThe boy grabbed the end of barrell, put it to his Adams Apple and dared his dad to blow his f------ brains out. OMG. husband pulled the gun away and three more attempted assaults by son occurred. Finally son went upstairs, we called 911, and son took off out the front door.
Sheriff came and talked to son, 18 year old daughter, myself and hubbie all separately. To end this long story, my son lied and said he personally knew the gun was loaded, and that the only thing he did was to cuss and be unruly to mom, and dad came out of nowhere and put the barrel of a gun at his throat.
Children services removed all six of my children, and arrested my husband for domestic violence. We have attorneys to fight for our children, Hubbie has attorney and our attorney says Self Defense, not a doubt. In the meantime, we have been treated as guilty, and it is the most devastating thing. I would appreciate feedbacks

moral of this story: guns don't kill people; Bud Light kills people.