Jamar Pinkney Sr. Executes 15-Year-Old Son Accused of Molestation

By Pete Kotz in Child Abuse, Sex crimes, bizarre, homicide

Thursday, November 19, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Jamar Jr. was forced to strip naked at gunpoint, then marched to a vacant lot and executed

When Lazette Cherry learned that her 15-year-old son may have improperly touched his 3-year-old sister, she called ex-husband Jamar Pinkney Sr. to let him know. But dad went ballistic.

He arrived at Lazette's Highland Park, Michigan home and forced 15-year-old Jamar Jr. to strip naked. Then he marched the boy to a vacant lot and forced him to kneel. Mom and Jr. pleaded for him not to shoot. "He got on his knees and begged, `No, Daddy, No,' and he pulled the trigger," Lazette says. Jamar Jr. was dead, shot in the head.

Lazette apparently didn't know her ex would react so violently when she called to let him know about the apparent molestation. Though there's no details on what Jamar Jr. was accused of doing, Lazette seems to imply that it was improper touching, not rape. But she felt a duty to let dad know. "This isn't something you sweep under the rug," she says...

She's now distraught over the incident. "There wasn't nothing that my son wouldn't do for his father. He loved his father so much. There's no justification for what he did, you know, downright shoot your child. He didn't rape her or anything. So why did you have to come and take matters into your hands? We said we were going to get him help."

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A lifetime of abuse? Do you know what "projection" means? You sound like somebody who was sexually abused and didn't seek treatment. You need therapy so that you can come to terms with whatever happened to you, instead of celebrating the killing of a child.
His son confessed so he had a guilty conscience for what he done n God can change anyone! Admitting& confessing was da first step to recovery! #can't nobody judge but God! If u ain't got a heaven or hell to put me n f'u.
Real talk! Preach!
Stephany Ann is a true idiot. Oh yeh I forgot, the kid will be scared for life because she was touched and at age 3 too ! Oh and lets add to the Hysteria that perves are everywhere !!! The sky is falling to Stephany !!! Morons on here. GEEZ.
A child is not an adult. And yes a child molester can be rehabed.
No, I wouldn't shoot my own 15 year old kid, for any reason. 99.9% of other people wouldn't either, because they're sane. That's why they make prisons for lunatics like this kids' father. He's exactly where he belongs. Unfrotunately, they will let him out someday. Normal thinking people would feel a lot more scared with a callous freak who shoots his his son walking the streets than a 15 year old who may or may not have touched his sister. You're a wacko with no common sense.
Don't bother confusing her with logic. It doesn't matter anyhow. Dead or being helped by Michigan State DHS is a toss up. Prob. better of dead. Her av looks like she's a mental patient on a all the meds they make. Anyone who advocates the killing of a 15 year old child as he begs his father for his life is obviously a lost cause.
Again, stop acting like you know who was molested and who wasn't or that you speak for anyone else who's been through this.
Uh... no one said they wanted anyone else put through that. I was molested the first time when I was four, barely out of toddlerhood. And I can't support your idea that murdering children with no trial is any form of justice. Don't act like you speak for all the people who've been molested.
The kid was still a kid, and believe it or not, still capable of being helped - if there was ever any proof he actually molested this little girl. This is something that can never be settled now - the kid is dead. And you're an idiot to think justice was done by the father when there was no trial, no chance to defend himself in court for the kid he murdered.
Skip that let the little moster burn in hell. His father is the hero.
I will say it til the day I day the Father is a HERO and should not be in prision but raising and protecting his daughter....
That's such b.s. you'll are just coming up with thoughts not facts...
preditors can't be helped what's wrong with all these sympathetic posts for a CHILD MOLESTOR!!!!
that's such a b.s. excuse, if you had been molested you would never want to put another person through that
take it you weren't molested by a family member in your home as a child or you'd think a lot differently...What makes me sick is that he's not being considered a HERO! He protected his daughter from a lifetime of abuse and if you don't see that you are blind. Now who will protect her from another perv??? Cause Michigan has em everwhere n they don't lock em up for 20 yrs
I feel sorry for the baby girl growing up without a protective father. I myself was a victim and didn't speak out because I feared my father would do the same thing. We let sex offenders of the hook because you can't see the bruises and internal true pain. Had he molested the kids he'd be free but protecting his daughter got him prision. Can any one of you truly say you wouldn't do the same thing for your child? If you wouldn't then your no real parent.
u guys are all assholes to each other......jamar jr. was just a kid....he doesnt deserve to be killed, he made a mistake......the father obviously doesnt care about his son, or his wife.....the father deserves to die
To the people talking about crime stats, you have to admit it's delicious Karma isn't it? Years of eugenics, executing slaves that showed signs of intelligence, and going as far to make it illegal to even educate a slave? Well it not that that wasn't going to come bite you in the arse... Sure if you force poor people to become middle class their children will probably be middle class but lets face it, you're talking generational plans here, and you buggers have only been really trying for like twenty years. It's going to be like another fifty before it really bares fruit. As for touching the kid, that's bad. When you're a teenager you're curious, but hell you should be cuddling three year old children not molesting them.
@NellyMae OmG U must be the most ignorant SOB in the world...havent u ever played doctor WOW...Im shocked!!! Since it is crystal clear that no one actually followed the case on in session, allow me to set the record straight!! That sicc ass little boy not only molested his sister...HE RAPED HER!!! Thats what made the dad snap! And what can I say the sick son of a bit*h deserved it...after all if he would still be alive that would be one more sicc child molester plotting on innocent children. For the rest of that little gurls life she will think all men want from her is sex, after all thats what her own brother wanted. He plotted on her and he is sick!!! ALL CHILD MOLESTERS SHOULD BE SHOT EXECUTION STYLE SICC BASTARDS
I will tolerate other people's opinions only as long as those opinions do not negatively affect me. I won't attack someone for quietly believing in some religion, no matter what that religion is. But I will attack someone's religion when it becomes a stated goal of their to make me a part of that religion and to kill me if I refuse. I won't attack someone for believing that black people are unjustly treated in society. But I will attack them if they think the proper response is to steal my money for reparations and install affirmative action policies that negatively affect me. I won't attack someone for thinking guns are unnecessary. But I will attack them when they decide that their view overrides my view that guns ARE necessary and that the best course of action is to stop me from buying and owning such things. In the reverse situation, I don't believe in gay marriage. You know what my solution is? I'm not gonna get a gay marriage. You want one? Go get one. Just leave me out of it. I won't encroach on you and you don't encroach on me. That's how my version of tolerance works. And that's why I fully believe in small government. It is the most agreeable system to allow as many people as possible to live exactly as they please.
Tolerance for other's opinions is the enduring struggle of mankind. Refusing to tolerate the intolerable is actually more difficult. There are too many among us who think we must tolerate everything to avoid being considered a hypocrite or intolerant. No human alive over the age of two can hope to escape life free of hypocrisy. It is not the end of the world, nor the end of your credibility. Humans are nothing if not a study in paradox. So what. Fighting the intolerable is much more difficult for there are those who belong to the camps that engage in the intolerable and simply to do not see themselves as violating any standard. They may in fact revel in flouting the current standards of modesty, sensibilities, morality or even the extremely loose standard of what constitutes criminal behaviour. And so, the struggle is real and large to keep our society as a whole from degenerating to such low standards that nearly not even anarchy can attempt to govern it. While a return to Puritanism is hardly desirable, this direction of travel, downwards to the loss of all standards, is not either.
And before they catch me it was *unsend.
@ Diamondgirl and Mousepovna. First of all mousepovna I happen to have enjoyed your insight on quite a few of these threads, so I truly hope you stick around. Also to both of you I have thought on a couple different occasions that I didn't know if I wanted to come back to TCR. Though I have been coming and keep returning for quite some time. Its mainly because of Pete and also because of a few posters like saint who really have something to say and do so with a great deal of dignity and respect even in the face of disrespect. I have also lost my cool here before. But you can't unsent whats been posted. I like reading different opinions, ideas, aspects on the threads but I am sick of the same old on and on "look at me and how much BS I can type in one post to show you how nanny nanny boo boo smart I am." And they turn on you at the drop of a dime if you try to show them another point they take it as a threat to their all knowing facade. Unless another poster addressed me or was WAY out of line, I try to have tolerance for another view. We all learn something new everyday.So for another day I am hanging in ;) @ Dylan. Sorta along the same lines we have to allow humans to error. I really liked your post. I do realize that all I can control is myself and MY beliefs, so point taken.
It still blows my mind how obviously ignorant some people can be as far as race is concerned. Both sides tend to be overprotective and tend to stupidly justify whatever actions they may take to defend or attack based on such presumptions. However, it is wrong to "baby" this idea of racism and wrong to protect so fervantly against it. Your child, biracial or no, should never be distinguished between either, it should never be glorified nor downplayed on WHAT a child is, just that each child is different. In focusing on defending culture we attack it and glorify said attacks, we perpetuate the wheel of "self-victimization" if a child or another is attacked based on race the person who attacked should be counted as the ignorant person they are but should not in turn be attacked because of their belief system. To truly combat ignorance we must ACCEPT that ignorance and allow it to flower however it will. The Majority do not think in the strictest thoughts of "color" and thus it is only the "minority" who believe that "race" is a factor in whatever ideal or action or belief is upheld. It is not that it needs to be ignored but rather accepted, and, even acknowledged, people will believe as they will no matter how stupid any belief is and to truly fight it is to continue to pursue that race doesn't matter. I guess it sounds like a big circle, let me sum it up: Its' not the fact that that person was "wrong" and you are "right" but that yours is to make more sense, no? We've fought this battle on "well he/she is wrong and I am right." instead of "well, he/she is allowed their own opinion but I'm not going to interpret it into my own basis of truth". Focus not in forcing others to listen but upon introspection, only when we accept the ignorance within can we combat the ignorance without. Or so I have been taught.
@mousepovna I understand how you feel- I have felt the same way. The hatred directed towards people who simply disagree with their point of view is amazing. You and I have disagreed on some occassions but that doesn't bother me,and I'm sure it doesn't bother you. I guess that's what happens when you have no power and importance in your real life-you have to jump bad behind the safety of your computer screen. It's pathetic really. I'm glad you popped in too. Well,I'm going to visit my sisters and grill a few hamburgers-hope to see you soon on the board.
@Illusions and diamondgirl9, watching this thread evolve had convinced me to be done with this site and its hatefulness. I am so glad I popped on this morning anyway. You two have just restored a bit of my faith in us all. Thanks
I'M SO HURT ABOUT WHAT THE FATHER DONE TO HIS SON .I WISH THE MOTHER WOULD HAVE CALLED THE POLICE SOONER MAYBE HE WOULD BE A LIVE TODAY BUT IT SEEM LIKE SHE COULD HAVE RAN WITH HER SON SOMEWHERE AND GOT SOME HELP I FEEL LIKE THE MOTHER IS GUILT AS THE FATHER BECAUSE SHE STOOD THEIR AND LET THAT HAPPEN TO HER SON.I BEEN CRYING EVERDAY BECAUSE I'M A GRANDMOTHER MYSELF.THE CHILD DID NOT RAPE HIS SISTER A LOT OF TIME PARENT MAKE THERE BOYS BABYSIT FOR THEM SO THEY CAN GO OUT WITH THEIR MAN. LET BOYS GO TO THE BOYS CLUB MEET OTHER CHILDREN THEIR AGE SPEND WITH YOUR CHILDREN I KNOW HE IS IN A BETTER PLACE WITH GOD!!!!!!!!HE TRIED TO TELL HIS HE WAS SORRY AND WANTED HELP AND WANTED HER LOVED AND FORGIVNESS SO HE COULD BE HAPPY MOST CHILDREN WOULD HAVE TOLD THEIR PARENT ANYTHING.I KNOW IT WRONG BUT I HATE HE TOLD HIS MOTHER SHE TOOK IT THE WRONG WAYS .IF YOU HAD GOD IN YOUR LIFE YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THIS PROBLEM IN A BETTER WAY.MAY GOD FORGIVE YOU THE HARM YOU CAUSED YOUR SON!I HOPE HIS FATHER ROTTEN IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Illusions We are a lot alike Illusions,and you are dead right about the cliques. A group of cyber bullies who get off on hurting and humiliating people who deviate from their narrow and intolerate agenda. I'm not sure if all these keyboard cowards are real posters. It's funny how magically they appear to add their childish input when the main bully has chased someone all over the thread name calling and insulting them. And they all sound the same.LOL! Illusions you do not have to explain yourself to anyone. I'm sure your daughter will grow up to be a kind and intelligent woman just like you.
Diamondgirl I think you are alot like me. There is so many "cliques" that like to get out here and gang up on someone, even if their opinion has been completley misconstrued throughout this whole thread. I am not part of any clique on here. I agree with some sometime and not others. But once you disagree and have your own opinion people tend to want to single you out or go for things unrelated to any subject matter at hand. I too think it is a huge reality that pot will be legalized. Its not if but when. Maybe not another ten years down the road, but I digress. If I did drink beer I wouldn't offer my daughter any nor expose her to an alcohol party, or any other of the things one may try to imply out here.I would never encourage my daughter to smoke cigarettes let alone pot.When she hits teen years no doubt questions and curiousity will arise, but I like to think I will maintain a healthy enouph relationship with her that if she needs to talk or ask questions of me she will. Lumping pot into a catagory with things like Meth, cocaine, or herion is just the result of not knowing.
@Illusions I read your post above-thank you. I think you are cool too.I think your daughter is lucky to have such a kind thoughtful mother. I agree with you about alcohol versus pot. There are countless stories about people getting drunk and murdering people,drinking drunk and killing people,and domestic violence from mean drunks. Countless families have been destroyed because of alcohol. If anything alcohol should be illegal. I believe it's only a matter of time before pot is legalized.
I don't have to justify it but I am not ashamed by it if thats what you hoped. I am far from these so called women you read about on here and there idea (or lack of) parenting. I don't have to justify myself to you.Anyone who has smoked it knows the effects are less than that of alcohol. Legalities are simply that the "goverments" opinion or control of something. Once we thought the earth was flat too.
Actually, there is a difference. It's legal to go out on the town and have a beer. It's not legal to smoke pot, no matter where you smoke it. You're breaking the law. Stop trying to justify it.
Pat THIS is true. But were I to have said I smoke drugs in FRONT of or even with my child that would be another thing. I didn't ommit the fact because it is a fact.I just wanted to fit it in before MY grammar was attacked. BUT, my child has no knowledge or idea of this. Parents do have a right to things private. A life seperate from what is within plain sight. Does it make me a monster no. I didn't say I was a crackhead. Nor do I like alcohol. We won't argue which is worse because it is a mute point. I would never encourage or expose my young child to this circumstance, nor do I drive high, or walk around all day everyday high. It is no different than if you are a father who occasionally goes out on the town and has a beer.
Hiring a Black President means not, the fight, is over.
I won't make any assumptions about you or your daughter based on race. Not at all. But I will make assumptions about you based on the fact that you're a mother who admittedly uses drugs. Lead by example...NOT!
I just have to add my humblest opinion on this thread. Usually I am full of sarcasm and a S.F.W. attitude but in this case I am not siding or agreeing with anyone particular poster. I am in agreement with a little bit of all of you. First of all diamondgirl I think you are cool as hell because I as well as you was not offended by Janice's thread (posts).I see something in them a little more sincere than she is getting credit for. I can also see how some of it can be misinterpreted. As well as the fact Janice seems to be admitting to making an assumption about every white person she meets based on some deep rooted suspicion about white people.But accusing of the same. It has gone on forever. Between simple miscommunication in this thread and a few attempts to degrade things are not being resolved. Mud is just bieng slung. This saddens me becauseI am white but my child is bi-racial. Black and white. Her step dad is white but her biological father was black. I have always been and still am middle class, average income. I don't live in a double wide, I don't get welfare. I am educated but a pothead THAT is the reasons for my poor (long forgotten grammar skills).Before my daughter (who is 10) was born I was told that she wouldn't know where to fit in growing up in school. Where the blacks nor whites would "accept" her.I had doomed her future, I heard this from blacks AND whites. In some ways I bought into that. Later. But when she started school there were just as many biracial children (though still a minority) far more than when I was in school.I was told a white man would never date me after she was born and all kindsof crap.Truth is It hasn't been as bad as I feared. But obviously the issue has come up. She told me once when she was four she wished she were "white like you mama". I will NEVER forget that. I told her she was beautiful BECAUSE of who she was not in spite of it. As she has more understanding what that means now more than then. Still. I hate having to protect her from those who would make assumptions about her or me because of race. It is true that the past holds us down. Though slavery DID happen it is but one thing,history. Angry grandma said it best in pointing out black men and women have died for this country as well.Matter of fact when 9/11 happened our unity was stronger for a while. But as with most things old habits die hard. I agree class plays its own role in the grand scheme of things too. But it always depends who you are up against.Race or not people are also individuals. I want to be able to tell my daughter that it is a perfect world and no one can hate her for how she was born after all, it isn't her fault. But there will sadly always be someone somewhere that will.
Officer Pat, well done and bravo. Goodnight dear soldier, sleep well.
Janice, I know I've already beaten your ass senseless in this thread, but I feel like adding to the pain with this article I just found. From one Tom Adkins: "Look at my fellow conservatives! There they go, glumly shuffling along, depressed by the election aftermath. Not me. I'm virtually euphoric. Don't get me wrong. I'm not thrilled with America 's flirtation with neo socialism. But there's a massive silver lining in those magical clouds that lofted Barak Obama to the Presidency. For today, without a shred of intellectually legitimate opposition, I can loudly proclaim to America : The Era of White Guilt is over. This seemingly impossible event occurred because the vast majority of white Americans didn't give a fluff about skin color, and enthusiastically pulled the voting lever for a black man. Not just any black man. A very liberal black man who spent his early career race-hustling banks, praying in a racist church for 20 years, and actively worked with America-hating domestic terrorists. Wow! Some resume! Yet they made Barak Obama their leader. Therefore, as of Nov 4th, 2008, white guilt is dead. For over a century, the millstone of white guilt hung around our necks, retribution for slave-owning predecessors. In the 60s, American liberals began yanking that millstone while sticking a fork in the eye of black Americans, exacerbating the racial divide to extort a socialist solution. But if a black man can become President, exactly what significant barrier is left? The election of Barak Obama absolutely destroys the entire validation of liberal white guilt. The dragon is hereby slain. So today, I'm feeling a little "uppity," if you will. From this day forward, my tolerance level for having my skin color hustled is now exactly ZERO. It's time to clean house. No more Reverend Wright's "God Damn America ," Al Sharpton's Church of Perpetual Victimization , or Jesse Jackson's rainbow racism. Cornell West? You're a fraud. Go home. All those "black studies" programs that taught kids to hate whitey? You must now thank Whitey. And I want that on the final. Congressional Black Caucus? Irrelevant. Maxine Waters? Shut up. ACORN? Outlawed. Black Panthers? Go home and pet your kitty. Black separatists? Find another nation that offers better dreams. Go ahead. I'm waiting. Gangsta rappers? Start praising America . Begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. Please, no more ebonics. Speak English, & who knows where you might end up? Oh, yeah…pull up your pants. Your underwear is showing. You look stupid. To those Eurosnots who forged entire careers hating America ? I'm still waiting for the first black French President. Let me offer an equal opportunity whupping. I've always despised lazy white people. Now, I can talk smack about lazy black people. You're poor because you quit school, did drugs, had 3 kids with 3 different fathers, & refuse to work. So when you plop your Colt 45-swilling, Oprah watchin' butt on the couch & complain "Da Man is keepin' me down," allow me to inform you: Da Man is now black. You have no excuses. No more quotas. No more handouts. No more stealing my money because someone's great-great-great-great grandparents suffered actual pain and misery at the hands of people I have no relation to, and personally revile. It's time to toss that massive, obsolete race-hustle machine upon the heap of the other stupid 60s ideas. Drag it over there, by wife swapping, next to dope-smoking. Plenty of room right between free love and cop-killing. Careful…don't trip on streaking. There ya go, don't be gentle. Just dump it. Wash your hands. It's filthy. In fact, Obama's ascension created a gargantuan irony. How can you sell class envy & American unfairness when you & your black wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and got elected President? How unfair is that??? Now, Like a delicious O'Henry tale, Obama's spread-the-wealth campaign rendered itself moot by it's own victory! America is officially a meritocracy. Obama's election has validated American conservatism! So, listen carefully…Wham!!! That's the sound of my foot kicking the door shut on the era of white guilt. The rites have been muttered, the carcass lowered, dirt shoveled, and tombstone erected. White guilt is dead and buried. However, despite my glee, there's apparently one small, rabid bastion of American racism remaining. Black Americans voted 96% for Barak Obama. Hmmm. In a color-blind world, shouldn't that be 50-50? Tonight, every black person should ask forgiveness for their apparent racism and prejudice towards white people. Maybe it's time to start spreading the guilt around."
Janice, I generally have a nasty attitude towards all people as stupid and delusional as yourself. Show some basic intelligence, and I'll stop being a prick. Deal? And shut the fuck up about the Tea Party already. You don't know jack shit about them; you're just the type of racist bitch who likes to make baseless accusations of racism in order to keep the Tea Party away from the actual argument. And you do this because you know they'll fuck you up.
You go Sandi! perfectly worded!!! Colors are for crayons!!! thank you. Finally see something worth commenting on on this thread.
I was raised that the only "Colors" are the ones in the box on the shelf in the den. My dad is black, my mom asian. I married a white man, my sister married a hispanic, my brother married a greek, and the baby is engaged to an irishman. We were also taught before placing blame to look hard in the mirror.
They were doing maintenance last night, Alexa, and that sometimes causes the comments thing to turn weird. Hopefully that's fixed now, but let me know if the weirdness emerges again.
The Industrial Revolution built this country, the Civil War had NOTHING to do with slavery, in fact both South AND North wanted to end Slavery and the South knew well enough to know that an Industrial Society wasn't the best move(and has it been, honestly) so as far as Slavery ending because of white people, I disagree, I hold Heros' like Martin Luther King and Malcom X(Whom I personally do not like given his policies towards violece) in the highest esteem. Now, before you get pissy remember this, Martin Luther King wasn't talking about Blacks per se, it was about racial equality, as a whole, not just for any one race but for the impoverished and for those whom have been victims of oppression, it was Oppression he was against, not necessarily racism as a whole. There is a sense of imbalance however and to blame it on either whites or blacks is inherently ignorant in nature, it is both sides coming to an impasse and rather than seeking the answer together bumping heads and knuckles. It is that stubborn unwillingness to "let go" and that further disbelief in "not accepting responsibility" that drives both sides to so much madness and lunacy. No "white" wants to admit to slavery and it is that acting of "annoyance" that causes such an appearance. And it is just as well no black wants to "let go" as in doing so leaves so much to be vulnerable, there is still so much wrong with 12% of our population, so many more hurdles to overcome not just against the "system" but against their own self-interests, the whole of "rising up" is all apolitical bs, it doesn't mean anything in the face of poverty. And thus it is not race but poverty and yes, while statistics show that minorities(note, not blacks) are more prone to poverish living this applies more(now a days) to those of Mexican(I.E. from Mexico) origin, whether legal or illegal. This is no doubt a social quagmire as it stands to say that those in poverty are more prone to more violent behaviors, however, if you watch the economy and the crime rates therein it is even further proven, no money =more violence. You can dispute that fact(I.E. Socioeconomical Truth) all you want but there have been studies after studies proving that in poorer economic straits the crime rates(especially domestic/violent/sexual) increase exponentially, it could be said that since it is not the "rich" or "Upper Middle Class" who get hit the hardest but the Lower Middle to Poor class that DO get hit hard that there are rising rates of such crimes in such areas. Moving on, it is easy to quote statistics, easy to speak of the discrepency and easy to blame it is not so easy to provide solutions. I do not believe in equality in the way in which it is presented, I do not believe in "holding hands" and coming together, such tactics do not do to better the racial/economical discrepencies, it furthers them in the delusion that "well "I" feel like we're equal so "I'M" ok", it does nothing to 'fight the man' and it cheapens the fight all the same. I am a firm believer that there will always be those with power and those without but the nature of that power can change so easily and so rapidly that it is no wonder such things as "greed" so easily come into play. If you speak to any truly educated revolutionist(I.E. not the racists who spur out slavery and ignorance) they will tell you that the "fight" is not a front to any particular race but to inequality as a whole, one that has rung true in every era, the idea of racism is a wholly new thing in nature but only just a different name for the same problem that no one wants to face. So, what IS the solution? Think, look, see, understand and be willing to accept the truth when you face it. As for Maliks' comments, did not Nigerians own slaves? In Fact do not South African Estates have slaves(of ANY race), or to be more historical, did not Egyptians(who many black cultures ARE in fact descended from) own MANY slaves, barring Jewish religious beliefs' there has been proof in the pudding, to say that "Blacks" do not commit such atrocities is to say they are somehow "different" than white people and defeats your economy. Look, Listen and don't turn away in disgust just because you don't want to "associate". We humans, as a whole, should bear responsibility for ALL crimes and atrocities committed, we can not put blame on "race" or "gender" but on "humanity" and how we have treated crime. What has happened to this boy was not just sad, it was an atrocity, the boy sought refuge in his family, to say the Mother had no idea how badly the Father would behave is a lie, she is her EX for a reason and I would be willing to bet that part of that reason is domestic abuse(whether filed or not) to assume she somehow believed he wouldn't be drastic(mayhap believing he would only "beat" his child senseless) is naive, at best, such is a crime in and of itself, she knew his reactions would be drastic, period. A little boy is dead, whatever you believe about race or gender or a specific type of crime a life has been taken, this boy was given no chance to redeem himself which is so heart-breaking considering how lax the police try for sexual offenders, how lax our own Police Officers(as in Policy Officers) treat criminals of Sexual Behaviors and how harshly the justice system treats certain impoverished behaviors. And yet, it is still not a question of race(though during Jim Crow I would DEFINITELY agree with you) but of what criminal behavior the public is currently detesting(drugs are usually the status quo) if you don't believe me, watch, when Rape is put in the limelight those who committ it get harsher sentences THEN than at other times, same with murder. And, further, this is even more prominent with those in lower middle-poor class(see above) due to the fact that the Judicial system likely sees' that it costs less(for the government/state/police force) to simply lock repeat offenders(of these class systems) than allow them to continue on State/Federal aid. But I digress, a little boy is dead, a boy who could have been given help(though unlikely given I doubt his parents would know about the state aid available for trouble youths') at any given YMCA area(of which there are enough that there HAD to be a center nearby) or some kind of Youth program, and yes, despite what so many think these programs DO work and splendidly well(as opposed to simply locking and throwing away the key). As for Obama, I didn't vote though I commend his hard work and his dedication to the cause, even if I feel its' more of too little too late. God help us all.
Thanks for the invite Pete, I don't drink ( I might start after this), but I think I want to see that unity in the south. I want to see the names Mohammad, Jesus, Abdula, Kohen, etc become just as respected and common placed here in the good 'ole south. I've work to do. I want to see the Tea Party gather without sign depicting President Obama as a witch doctor. I want to have a conversation about race that stay on point, that does not contain profanity and name calling, not laced with sarcasm, insults and hurtful remarks. But maybe I will come to visit some time. lol
First: "Justin" and Karen, I pray you two don't breed. With each other, or anyone else. The commenter who said race is not even applicable as molestation happens across the board was right on. CMM, you hit the nail on the head. Oh my god, this story is so tragic on so many counts. I want to weep. Children learn what they are taught. And who knows how the boy's actions (if ANY) were interpreted/misinterpreted? Go to professionals, people -- not exes who may have created the problem in the first place. If there WAS a problem. Signing off to have a good cry now. God/Goddess/Allah/Whomever help us all....
Pete, you might already know this little "prayer": Lord please help me be the person my dog thinks I am. I don't have a dog right now but I wish I did.... [I suspect you are well-aware of the comments function misbehaving for the past 14 hours or so.]
By the way, Alexa, I loved that line about dogs and unconditional love. Beautiful sentiment. If only I had the heart of a dog.
You gotta move to the north, Janice. We have plenty of our own problems up here, but any teacher or principal who said something like that up here would have got his ass whacked within the hour. They speak some 30 languages in the school district my kids attend. (My son thinks Mohammad is the most common name in America.) There are just too many kinds of people for any one group to be dickheads about it. So come to Cleveland, Janice. We have no jobs, but we lead the league in friendliness and merriment. I will buy you your first shot.
has anyone thought about our Soldiers? Over in the middle east. There are no Blacks, whites, puerto ricians, mexicans, orientals. they are all ONE color! RED WHITE AND BLUE. With a few other colors thrown in for good measure. And yes, before it comes to this: yes, we had blacks in the civil wars. Yes we had full black troops in WWI, And also in WW2 ect. Yes in Korea they were being intergrated with the white troops. And in Vietnam, there were major amounts of blacks as well. No one has every claimed that Black people were not used or abused. But again, that was years ago. Centuries ago. And for stupid people to still think that way, is just that Stupid. our children, black white whatever color they are, are products of their raising. products of thier enviroment. if there is race issue swihtin the families, the kids will aclime themselves to act and say the same crap that is being taught. So you teach you kid to have compassion. Have manners. To look at another person for who they are not the color of them. But there will always be someone who "rocks the boat". no matter the color. Blaming each other for the other's faults. Stupid people do stupid things. Grow up and learn to live as a honest human being and stop putting your ill thought out thoughts on to others. and Officer Pat, i have had issues as well when i have taken my grandchildren to the state pool. and i'm talking recently in the pass month! And i refuse to allow anyone, but less a kid, make derogotory statements to or about my babies based on their skin color. example: oh you to white to be in OUR water! or, 3 black boys pull my grandsons suit off in the water, and throw it outside! I almost went to jail! lucky i knew the cops who were there. and the boys were removed. But not before a 11 yr old boy was embarrassed and made to feel like shit! So bring it on. Tired of the crap and i'm not going to back down anymore.
WELL I PUT IT AND GOD HAND KNOW BODY NO BUT HIM AND GOD,HE LOOK LOW AND LOOK HIGHT,HE GOT TO ANSWER TO GOD NOT ANY ONE ELES. MY HEART GO OUT TO THE FAMILY THAT ARE AND MY PRAY, LOOK UP TO THE HILL WERE YOUR HELP COME FROM GOD. GOD LOVE U AND I DO TO.
Pete Thanks for the "history" lesson (no sarcasm) And IMHO..the south will NEVER rise again because we are still ass backwards. Was trying to give benifit of doubt to Janice. Really glad I said " and whilst that might be true". I don't feel like such a big idiot, just a small one bacause I truely wasn't thinking about another race besides black people. going to drink a pint of Guinness and head back to Katherine Olsen pic to see if she got any better looking.
WELL I PUT IT AND GOD HAND KNOW BODY NO BUT HIM AND GOD,HE LOOK LOW AND LOOK HIGHT,HE GOT TO ANSWER TO GOD NOT ANY ONE ELES. MY HEART GO OUT TO THE FAMILY THAT ARE AND MY PRAY, LOOK UP TO THE HILL WERE YOUR HELP COME FROM GOD. GOD LOVE U AND I DO TO.
Janice, you noticed the wrong end of my comment. And, you're a fraud. *hums Phil Collins' "In the Air Tonight"*
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/11/naacp-urges-hallmark-pull-racist-card-shelves/ I just wanted to share this link, since we're talking about race and all. Seriously, what kind of idiots comprise the NAACP these days? That's one group that's seriously overstayed its welcome. Just...go away.
Hey Pete! Great information. But a little off the top: My ancestors hit NC and SC in the 1700's Yours may have had the English and the Potatoe famin. Mine had percutions (sorry folks) for being Hugenots in France. and if anyone knows about Hugenots, we are not a group who had a lot of published shite like irish, jewish ect. Being southern, i have had many questions as to "how does it feel to be cajun"? I'm not!!!!! I'm Parisian French and Scilian! In the south, they ask me how i like being a canuke? See, most French people are canadain up here. so i always tell it this way. if i say i'm Hugenot French, I get stupid looks. Seems not to many people know what that is. Granted most Hugenots came thru New Oleans. hence the Cajun remarks. but my people came thru Switzerland instead. Straight to Orange County NC! Sorry, i got a 500 page family tree on my mom's people. Hobby of mine!!! Same with my northern father's family!!! BTW, I really loved Far And Away. Would love to go to Ireland before i die. But can't see that happening. Just to be able to stand in a large green grass overlooking a loch. Well that is my greatest wish! Besides Peace and no wars. Ok, where 's my tiara and flowers? Oh i didn't win Mrs Granny of America? Sorry.
Glad to see you back Pete, I missed your "calm voice of reasoning on yesterday," Pete that happened in Mobile I no longer live there. So I have moved, but I find that things happen like this no matter where you are. A few nights ago someone said that racism is a condition of life. Maybe that is true I hadn't thought of it like that. I always think things will get better. not just on the surface but truly better. deep down better. Maybe I am a fool at heart. I want people to get along. I don't know about being color-blind, the color of a person's skin is a large part of who that person is. It denotes culture and othe important thigs about people. It is who God made him or her to be. And there is nothing wrong with that. I don't think that a color of a person's skin should be his or her sin. @Alexa Kim, The measure of pain and suffering is oft done by a gauge owned only by the sufferer. Thank you for that, it fit the subject matter very well. It is a phrase that I have often time heard, and maybe I need to apply it now. What I started out tring to say was that maybe others through compassion others could also understand how high the meter on the suffer's gauge measured. But it doesn't seem that this will happen through this thread(I learned that term through "posting" with you all), or perhaps not even in my life time. @Pat, You should really find better words to express youself, it really doesn't take all of that to get your point across to use the c word in bad. But to address your point on class, it is a very strong arguement and it does have some weight. It does apply in some cases. Until the issue becomes between two people of the same calss but perhaps different races. Pat I will have to give that argument a little more thought. My daughter and I have discussed the economic difference between wealthy whites and poor whites and wealty blacks and poor blacks. BTW (did I use that right?) I don't think that every disagreement that I have had or snid remark made to me by a white person was due to my race. I reconize that some people just might not like me. Just like I don't like everyone I meet. However I don't use snid remarks to make that known. Pat I suspect that is what happened to you and the girls on the beach. You have showed a nasty/disrepectful attitude on this site. I can not began to think of what you are like in person.
Pete, slainte!
Actually, Sharon, I think it's really hard to make the argument that the country was built on the backs of slaves. At the time, the south was a very backward, agrarian economy compared to the industrializing north. (One of the reasons they got their ass kicked in the war.) And it would seem to me that slavery only benefited the very few who could afford slaves, which would have been a small percentage of land owners per capita. Though other southern whites may have supported slavery, they were morons to do so, since free labor would suppress the wages of everyone. I guess the argument would be akin to saying that the modern economy is built on the backs of states like Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa, which use cheap Mexican labor. If we used the early 1800s as the threshold for the construction of our economy, we'd probably have to give the credit to poor, ethnic whites from Europe who did all the shit jobs along the northeastern seaboard. So, if you're out tonight, please buy a beer and a shot for an Irishman whose people were here before 1860. His ancestors built the country.
I really hate beating the dead horse with a stick so I am taking Alexa's advice..of course day late and dollar short and walking the F away. * going to go back and sit in my Hoover Vaccuum* Officer Pat...I must say this though... Janice replied that this country was built on the backs of slaves. And whilst that might be true ,it is on the backs of you and the rest of military personal that it is continuosly carried. I thank you profoundly for defending me and my "unearned" privilges. Also..last post was one of the best I have read about class vs race. Well said my friend..well said.
Kudos to pete, officer Pat and Alexia. Tired of reading same thing over and over again. It's over. it's history. if you repeat history. You choose to make your life unlivable. Move on and forget what mean people do. if you lower yourself to their level then you are just as bad or evil as they are. Espirer (this right?) to be a better human being. Do what's right for your world and family and the hell with everyone else who wants to live in the past and make people around them misable. sorry for all typos last night folks. I was pissed (and a little buzzed) and my notebook has a small keyboard! Which pissed me off more! this story has had way to much traffic then it needed. I will not be coming back to this story. Unless Pete has any other updates. I missed out on a lot of fun on other stories because i choose to be a better person and had it slammed back into my face. So on to what i missed yesterday. Sorry if i'm now catching up.
Good morning to you too Janice.. First off I don't live in a vaccuum. You tell me where there is ONE..just one school that doesn't ALLOW white children in its halls. If one white child lives in the projects and lets just say one Elementary School is zoned for that area that is where the kid will go..IF the parent doesn't want to drive the child to a different school themselves. But there are not any "black or white" schools. This is not the 50s-60s. There are school zonings and some schools are built near predominalty Black neighborhoods but that doesn't mean there is segragation involved.. Also..it seems that with all the "issues" you have had with white teachers/priciples/clerks you have become jaded in your way of thinking. Sad but I can see how it happens. you say you want white peole to identify with blacks feelings.. Flip the switch and put yourself in our shoes. White people no longer oppress the blacks.. Black people do that mighty fine on their own. White people also do it to themselves. White people are only racist in the eyes of ignorant blacks (most times). That being said...I am not going to try to beat a dead horse over the head all day long with you. You do play the race card continuosly and it does not suit you. And as far as this country was born on the backs of slaves. Well that might be true, but now it is carried on the backs of people like Pat who fight for your and my freedom and our "unearned" privilges. ps...at least black men are continuing on one part of their heritage. Populating the USA with all the children from "studding". Now if most would just get a job to support their broods and brood mares. diamondgirl, I beleive it was, said it best..."buy the beach"
The measure of pain and suffering is oft done by a gauge owned only by the sufferer. Modern technology... the scratchy, jumpy films, the millions of still photos... the pen and paper journaling the events... and years of historians, humans of contributing politics and personal histories, examining and analyzing what it all means. Years of trying to grasp the farthest threads of the events' impacts so as to fashion a smooth fabric of our time thus far. Wanton greed on a massive level that would demand payment in blood no matter how much. The young and naive, along with the young and afraid, would each pledge to fight the injustices and pay with their lives, whether or not they knew what that really meant at the moment of the hour of the day it would come to pass. And for many, many more still, these tender warriors would come too late. Had they known heroes were on the way, would perhaps a note of hope had kissed their face as their spirit lept to join God? Standing at the edge of Dachau, standing at the edge of the Stalin Russia, standing at the edge of Mao Cultural Revolution, at the edge of the Killing Fields, at the edge of Ethiopia, at the edge of Armenia, the edge of Rwanda, the edge of Wounded Knee, the edge of the Yaqui Indian Sinaloa, of Gallipoli, of Jerusalem, of Halabja, of Tora Bora, of Operation Redwing, of Comintern School, Beslan, Russia, of New York, NY, of Arlington Cty, VA, of Shanksville, PA, and Palmito Ranch, TX.... The only way to send the pain away is to be grateful.
I don't get it. Decades ago, a stranger makes a snide remark and your point is? When I was younger, I was a lifeguard. We had a rule that if you were under 5 years old, you needed immediate supervision from someone 16 or older. I enforced this rule consistently. But one day, there were two 12 year old black girls (both of whom were incredible little cunts) and their 4 year old brother. Upon finding out that he was four, I told his sisters someone of acceptable age was going to have to be there with him. This little brat looked me in the eyes and said, "If it was a little cracka, I bet you'd let him swim!" I won, though. I personally walked them out the front door that day, and then I gathered up evidence to show my boss what little shits they were, and their membership was revoked. No refunds, bitches! What's my point here? Well, I'm not sure. You told a story about a white person making a rude comment to you, so here's one of a black person making one to me. Or, how about the black slut I knew in college who bragged to people that she would be admitted to law school because she was black and possessed a vagina. See? Lots of people make dumbass comments based on race. Now, Janice, I seriously want you to consider something. Class vs race. Along what lines do you believe society is more divided: class lines or race lines? For example, if you were an impoverished black, would you have more in common with rich blacks or impoverished whites? I grew up in a moderately wealthy family. In my upscale neighborhood, there were some blacks families with similar amounts of wealth. Now, just outside my neighborhood, there was a predominantly white neighborhood of cemented-down mobile homes. Just poor white trash. I was friends with the children of those black families in my neighborhood. We had the same interests, we had nice things, we lived in nice houses, our parents were respected professionals in the community. But I had never had a friend in that neighborhood on the other side of the tracks even though most of them shared my race. We simply had no bonds. We lived in separate worlds. Charles Barkley, famous black basketball player and staunch Republican, has often talked about his relationship with his mother. She would scorn him, saying the Republicans were for the rich people. And he would simply respond, "But Mom, I'm rich." Are you seeing the point here? Class is the dividing factor. Not race.
Well, my last words on this thread that has gone on for way to long.... I am white woman raised in deep south during the 60-80's! As a 9 yr old, i picked cotton for .25 cent an hour. At 11, i worked part time as a helper in the Springs Cotton Mill with my mom and other family members. I had a mammy when i was a little younger. I went to a school that had NO BLACKS ALLOWED. People knew who i was related to even if they didn't know my name. and i mean blacks and whites. I got out of the insane area as soon as i could. I go to visit back in 1987, my mom was in hospital there, and a older woman walked up to me in the hospital, (i have NO fricking clue who she was) but she said: "You're Charles R___'s yankee granddaughter. Take your white trash momma and get the hell out of here. We don't need no garbage like your kind here spoiling his good name." Now this was a BLACK woman who said this to me. I was freaked out. My mom didn't know who she was either. But when i told my Aunt, she had an idea who it was. a little later on that week, my cousin gave a fellow employee (black) a ride home from work. That day while she was in her house, the mailperson, drove up onto her lawn and purposily ran over her dog. Not once by 3 times. and then drove to the street and parked. She took my cousin's mail and threw it all over the dead dog. My cousin called the cops and all. You know what happened? NOTHING! she gave a man a ride home, and that was against what our grandfather stood for. Now our grandpa been dead 7-8 yrs by this point. Bottomline.... I am so tired of any race bull shit. I have more then my share up here in MASS. I am tired of black people blaming whites, whites blaming blacks, or mexicans. or hispanics, or arabs, or any other person i might have forgotten to included. And just for the record.... I DIDN'T VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE'S BLACK! I didn't vote for him because i think he is full of shit! Say as everyone else. promises the world, then can't deliver. GLOVES OFF. THE END!
I think you have to move away from wherever you live, Janice. It sounds like you're surrounded by goobers. But there are places in America where everyone pretty much lives and lets live. I would be astounded if these kinds of things happened where I live, and I think black and white would agree.
Good Morning Sharon and Officer Pat, Sharon I have honestly tried to remember the princpal's exact words. I can't. But I was just as dumb founded as Officer Pat so to make sure I understood his meaning I paraphrased his words. I asked the princpal if he meant that "my son is not expected to be a good student in the school because he is BLACK?" the princpal say "It is sad Mrs. --------, but that is the way that it is. Now I don't expect any of you to believe this, I did not either. I think the princpal was just as sad about this as I was. He took no joy in telling me this!!! Don't get it wrong. I did not mean to say that the princpal did not care. I do feel that he was letting me know that the teachers did not care. I felt he may have been powerless to chang things. It took me a long time to get the problem addressed. Notice I did not say solved. Because I am sure that other kids experienced the same things in that school after my son left. Oh and by the way, my daughter has some scary tales to tell about the school system in the black community because she had taught on the high school level. And Sharon please don't live in a vaccum. There are tons of all black schools. Sharon and Officer Pat, I have one more story, I am sure it will only get you all even madder at me. But here goes. When my daughters were small I shopped in a high end little girl's dress boutique. On my lunch hour one day I went in to buy a peach bow (hair ribbon). The bows were displayed behind the counter on the wall. There were two clerks behind the counter. One being the manager. There were several peach color bows there. I pointed to one and asked to see it. The clerk knew which bow I meant, and passed it to me. The manager stopped, and said (exact words) "She does not want that bow, her little girl would not have enough hair. (now I smile as I remember this). This statement mad me angry. I talked about her, her mother and her mother's mother (thank God I am not that same person anymore). I went back to my office and could not work. I went home early. I thought what about that statement hurt and angred me so. and this is what I came away with: First she could not look at me and determine what my daughters looked like!!! She just assumed that little black girls could not have long hair. (translate to me, beauty) Even though I had shoulder length hair!! This as before hair extensions. Secondly, I had shopped in that store many times before, with my children in tow, She could not remember me!!! Thridly, she did not not have the manners to keep her negative thoughts to herself. But then God stepped in, and this is what I came away with, she meant me NO HARM she thought she was giving me good customeer service. I did her a dis-service by leaving her as clueless as I found her. I could have told her that was a hurting thing to say. I could have called her to remember me and my daughters because she had waited on me when I purchased the dresses that I was buying the bows for. Then I went further, I understood it from what I thought must have been her view point. Maybe she had never really been around many little black girls. Sometimes the images we see or not the true images of any one person or any group of people. I realized it was NOT here fault that all of the feeling of inferiority came to the surface. It was NOt her fault that I felt inferior due to a long history of being treated inferior (George Wallace in the school door, etc). But maybe just maybe if she had had some UNDERSTANDING of my past. She would have realized not to say such a thing. Not to mention simply good maners. I wonder how many white mother she had said the same thing to. Now did that scar me for life. Of course not. As a matter of fact it helped me to see things from some one else's point of view. She did not mean to hurt me. As a matter of fact I did more damage to her then she to me. I doubt if she gave it another thought, she was glad to get that psycho black woman out of her store. I responded foolishly in her eyes for no reason at all. I missed a "teachablel moment" A incident that tore me up for hours meant nothing to her. Because of our life experiences. Attack when ready!!!
@ Pat... I seen the light , just couldn't find the freaking switch! Dyed my blonde hair brown today..got me some artificial intelligence..will last 4-6 weeks..
Amen, Sharon!
Again you changed your story...and I quote you... After school, I went to the pricipal's office to complain that my child was not given a chance to partcipate in class. ****The principal told me that it was sad but because my son was Black he was not expected to excel. Now don't get me wrong he did not use those exact words.**** But that is the gest of what he said. I suspect that these attitudes were left over from this country's past. He either used those exact words or he did not..which is it because you say "NOW DON"T GET ME WRONG HE DID NOT USE THOSE EXACT WORDS". Which is it??? I am not the dimwitted blonde I sometimes act like. Lookit Janice, you want everyone to think you are intelligent black woman. And that is all good. But you switching around to make things come out to your point of view makes you look non intelligent. And I am not talking about spelling, grammar...I am talking about you making statements such as " I FEEL THE EFFECTS OF SLAVERY"...When asked how..you bring up example that happens everyday in schools everywhere white black, mexican. And pray tell me when schools were segratated again that you SEE the difference between white schools and black schools? Huh? Did I miss a memo somewhere? AS far as I know..and I live in the deep south....white kids and black kids go to same school....in fact, my son went to predominatley black school because that was his zone. So don't play that card either. THe fact is this and only this.....white and black people do crazy shit....there is no color creed in crime...it is what it is. But again, if you are saying that black people commit these crimes because they were repressed an era ago, you are sadly mistaken.
thats it for me. night all!
Karen, you seem to like saying the word nigger! Did one rock your world and you would like another one but can't get one, and now you're mad!
Janice, with 14 years having past and you being delusional as it is, I have serious doubts about your story. Also considering the way you really read into things, I'd like to know the principal's exact words. Because no professional educator could write off a child based on his race and reasonably expect to keep his job. So please tell me exactly what the guy said, because I think your "gist" is likely bullshit that has been exaggerated even more over the years. And with your linguistic and logical skills, or lack thereof, I have a hard time seeing you as some sort of brilliant presenter/public speaker. Not that you've had difficulty making outrageous boastful comments about your non-existent abilities in the past.
Ok. Thought i would check in on everyone tonight. It looks like i never left 5 1/2 hrs ago. I dont intend to be here very long. But will comment because i seem to have caused some of this. Sorry everyone Janice, if you are still online... I think maybe you misunderstood my intent with you. I was offering support and someone to talk to. But i see that there is other things you feel you need to force on others. I didn't think i was talking down to you. Nor do i think i was being condencing (sorry people). But now i'm at a different stage of my thought process. I am now getting the feeling, after reading you recent posts (BTW, not blogs, here they are posts or comments), That you are a posier. 1) You are not as stupid as you try to make out to be. 2) Yes, you have been using the race card (yes exactley what Sahron said it meant)all day. 3) For whatever reason or thought, you have came on here not to offer thoughts for the suffering family. But to use this forum as a soap box to preach "BLACKS ARE REPRESSED AND THE WHITES DID THIS TO US" Janice, i;m sorry if you feel that whatever you feel is due to the slavery ( why didnt anyone tell me i was spelling that wrong? Butt holes!!! lol) and repression. But no one did this to you or anyone else. If you are having an issue regarding 300 yrs ago and and say you nneed white people to understand the feelings you are feeling, well im very sorry. These are your issues and maybe, you need to seek some concelling (oh well, you know what i mean) quickly. There is an issue deeply wrong if you are wanting all white people to feel your feelings? What about our feelings. You see things from a blacks view. What about the white views? In my town in Massachusett, i am a minority. I do not qualify for any benefits at all. As a research project, a friend (who's black) and i went to welfare, housing, food stamps ect about 3 yrs ago. this was for a college course she was taking. The results? I dont qualify for welfare (we both put we were unemployed students with health issues) She was offered cash benefits of a couple hundred dollars a month. We both applied for city housing. I was told that there was no single apt's avaible for at least 1 yr. She recieved a offer of a single apt a week later. At Zero dollar a month I recieved $35 in food stamps for emergency food stamps and the $30 a month after that. She recieved $125 for emergency stamps and then $75 a month afterwards. I did not quaify for discount on gas, lights. phone. She did. I actually have disablities which could retire me. I choose not to. As i will need to live on retire soon and i am trying to put as much into it as possible. So who was discrimanated against ? Not her. But because this was a school project, i did turn in the results to the state of mass discrimanation. And i did not accept any crap i was offered. Nor did she. So i still dont understand the the point you are trying to make. So think about that. I am tired and your comments are giving me a headache. Sorry i tried to be understanding. You have an agenda i just dont know what yet.
Sharon, sone one told you your son was not expected to excel because he was black, like they told me. I thought you said your son was white. Again you missed the point. The principal did not say my son was not smart, he did not say that he simply can not excel he said he was not EXPECTED to EXCEL BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK. None other REASON except Black boys/men were not expected to be a success. Something similar might have happened to your son but not because he was BLACK. And another thing he thought that I would simply except that.. He never thought I would take it any further. I guess in his mind Black parents did not care about their children. He had NO PROBLEM in showing the comtept for this child. I can't say anymore than that.
Janice I could care a less if you think my comments don't warrant your return comments. You make comments that make not a bit of sense..like above you said... "The principal told me that it was sad but because my son was Black he was not expected to excel. Now don't get me wrong he did not use those exact words." Just because you THINK that was the jest doesn't mean it WAS. You make things worse for yourself in your "feeling the effect of slavery" by maybe always reading/hearing things the way they fit into your mindset about white people treating black people unfairly. Could really care or less if you comment on my post or not. You can have no arguement with the truth.
Janice ..I feel your pain about your son and school..but in 2007 I had the same prob with my son and he is white. and he was in 3rd grade.. next excuse
@Janice You are handling your business. I know it's hard.and what happened to your son shouldn't happen to anyone's child,but you took care of it. Every time someone tries to push you,tries to turn you around,you push back even harder. Life is hard. For some people your skin is your sin. But what good does it do to worry about them? Black people used to be strong. Be strong again. Buy the beach. That was funny about the hat!
Diamondgirl9 Very well said. I agree with the moral of your Mother's story. As a matter of fact it parelles (I know mispelled) with my life. @Sharon Girl I don't wear hats.
Sharon, I have not responded to your blogs because frankly I thought your comments did not warrant it. (Remember that I an not a great speller), but this blog got my attention. I can finally say that you asked a question that is worth answeing. No I do not feel welts on by back, no my back does not hurt from picking cotton. Mater of fact I do not know what a cotton plant looks like. I have only seen them as I ride by in my car from a distance. But the pain comes when I see the difference in schools in the Black neighborhood vs the white neighborhoods. let me tell you a story, I have said that I hav a son, My son is 27 years old. I suspect that may be the ages of some of you. I have always made it a point to send to children to good schools (code for white schools). My son was in the 7th grade and began to fail. I tried everything I knew to get him to study. So one morning without him knowing I went to his school. Whe he arrived I was sitting in his class. I stayed with him all day long. I went to every class that he had. This child was never called on to partcipate in class, even with me his Mother in the class. I thought that the teachers would call on him to at least show me he was not prepared for class. After school, I went to the pricipal's office to complain that my child was not given a chance to partcipate in class. The principal told me that it was sad but because my son was Black he was not expected to excel. Now don't get me wrong he did not use those exact words. But that is the gest of what he said. I suspect that these attitudes were left over from this country's past. Even now that story bring tears to my eyes. I know that is not the case for all young black kids. But had my son not had me as a Mother, a person who could take time off from work to go to school with him he would have perished. I just happen to have WORKED HARD enough to be in this position. I know that I am not a great speller, but I am no dummie. I had the know how to bring this to the School Boards attention. And because I can present well I was takes seriously. So you do the math. I believe this was in 1996 and I was stunned that white teachers and a princpal had the gall to tell me my son was not worth their time. Now I know that might not sound like a lot to you. But I thought times like that was only meant for me not my children. I have other stories but when I tell them it seems to bring sad memories. This was in the city of Norcross Georgia. Imagine if you will how many other pants on the ground youngest was treat the same way.
@Janet My mother told me a story when I was a little girl I never forgot. I don't remember many of the details but the moral of the story was burned in my brain. She told me there was a beach where Jewish people were not allowed. It seemed no one liked the Jews and thought they were inferior people. Well the Jews worked very hard and saved their money and they bought the beach. I know there is racism in the world and there will always be. Black people are treated more harshly by law enforcement,but so are a lot of minorities. People will put rock blocks in your way. But you brush your shoulders off and keep working,keep learning,keep your eyes on the prize. The best revenge is living well.
Diamondgirl9 That argument is totally valid. Hard work, determination, motivation, education etc. plays a huge roll in a person's success. I totally agree. The lack of these traits plays a huge part in rather or not a person is a failure. I get that I am asking some one to understand something that they have just not experienced. I have already conceded that maybe the people that I am corresponding with is from another generation and maybe just don't understand where I am coming from.
Now Janice, you really are just talking out of your big old veiled Sunday hat. Tell me first off..how do you feel the effects of slavery. Do you get imaginary welts strips on your back. Does your back ache from all that imaginary pickin'. You feel the effects cause you cannot let go of something . you being a church going God fearing woman and all should know that you are haboring grudges from past sins of people you didn't even know. You are following the footsteps of your people who were racist towards whites. Who do you think started the whole honky/cracker etc. And the welfare beer drinking people only feel the effects of the mad dog 20 20. Them being leeches on the butt of society has got nothing to do with slavery. They just don't want to work. Period. I am so freaking tired of black saying "we should have lots of perks in life because we are the minority." Screw that....white people have been the minority for 10+ years now and you don't hear us crying in our beers about it. Yes we have welfare people too. We are not all that great of a race... but you don't hear us saying "those damn indians raided our wagon train and stole our horses".
Holy shit! Someone sees the light. Hallelujah!
@Janice I don't believe slavery has anything to do with the way some black people behave. Black people had pulled out of that slavery hole a long time ago. What is happening now is a failure to work hard and get an education. Black people can succeed, and do. If you don't work hard and get the best education you will not succeed I don't care what color you are.
Oh, I know, Alexa. Trust me, I know. I'm just having fun now. Crazy people are VERY entertaining.
I stopped reading at "I'm better at debating than you" much earlier. Just thinking that it's borderline unwarranted self-importance.
*headdesk* PEOPLE OF TRUE CRIME REPORT, LISTEN TO ME! GO BACK! IT'S A TRICK! Janice is delusional. She has a poor grasp of reality. Stop being props in her psycho diorama. She is not listening. Your words are only bouncing off in random order. All she does is look down at their growing pile, picks what words are the shiniest and longest and starts gluing them to her dashboard in a visually pleasing manner according to shape and color. Angry Grandma, I fear for your soul! Fair Warning! She is as toxic as Chernobyl and will be for hundreds of years to come. There is no cure. There is no antidote.
Was there an actual point in there? A thesis, perhaps? Whoa.
Sangelia, I missed the point or if you are responding to my blog then you missed my point. I do not BLAME slavery on any living person today. I do not Blame slavery on any person that is not living today. I do wonder how any person could have owned or sold any person regardless of the color of their skin. Even the people in Africa who sold slaves to the slave traders. I have come to deal with slavery on these terms: I think the reason that slavery was so profitable for so long is beacuse the slave owners did not UNDERSTAND that the slave had all of the feelings and emotins that the slaveowner had. In my own simple way I think that if a slave owner had come to UNDERSTAND that this slave was indeed a person just like he was, slavery would have ended earlier. I am not totally stupid I know that free labor was apealing. But I think that even people who owned slaves had some good in them. I just think that the human element was over looked. The lack of compassion and UNDERSTANDING played a huge role. I hope that I am making sense by saying this. I agree with you and Sharon there is a lot of things wrong in my community. let me scream that again. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS WRONG IN MY COMMUNITY. I agree and am ashamed at the tarnished legacy of Dr. King. Just ask mu children, I am always reminding them of the price that was paid for the things that they take for granted. They are all parents now and I intend to do the same with my grandchildren. I am in total agreement with Bill Cosby. I simply asked for UNDERSTANDING. I am a law abiding, drug free, working class, non-violent, church going, neighbor friendly, civic minded, tax paying black woman. I have worked all of my life, I have never commited a crime, I am a mother of college educated children, I am a grandmother, I own a house, I drive a pretty nice car, I live in a good neighborhood. I am not racist, matter of fact I am generally like by Blacks and Whites alike. HOWEVER I feel the effects of slavery. If I can feel the effects of slavery what do you think the people you steal welfare checks, drink while sitting in broken down lawn chairs feel. Mind you slavery is not the blame. But maybe the long term effects of slavery just might play a role. I don't know if you can UNDERSTAND that or not. But it is no less the truth. So please white people stop going postal on me. I don't want to be insenstive. Perhaps race is as hard for white people to discuss as it is for me. Let me screm this: GUILT IS A USELESS EMOTION, so I am not looking for anyone to feel guilty. When you say you were "dirt poor" I can identify with that. I think I am looking for white people to "Identify with the balck experience. Maybe I am looking for too much, or maybe just to admit that any black child growing up in America experienced different things than any white child growning up in American, and that this difference was based on race. If we can agree on that then maybe we will be at a starting place.
I agree. my man had a aunt in St Paul here who was part of the Underground Railroad. she gave up her rep as a good lady to run a high class "gentlemen's club". she used it as a "end station" here. and due to who her clientele were. she could get the paperwork to give to the runaways. even though slavery was illegal here. it was not illegal for bounty hunters to take any blacks not having their papers. . plus alot of blacks forget that not only were the slave owners in Africa were black. but there were many here that were black as well. . i'm also sick and tired for being blamed for something my side of the family did not do. we did NOT get to America till well after the Civil War was over with. but becuase I'm white. my family must have owned blacks supposedly. no, we were dirt poor coal miners over in germany. we ate what most blacks call soul food. I've had blacks tell me that they did not know that whites ate soul food. when you are poor. you ate what you could afford. even if it was liver n onions. as for welfare. my man while working for camp snoopy at the mall of america. a dishwasher there was glad that his sister had FOUR fricking welfare accounts. each one in a different state. when the guy was told that what his sister was doing was stealing. the dude responded back that "it's a black thing, you don't understand because you aint black". . . Bill Cosby had it correct about many aspects of today's blacks. also I bet that if MLK was alive today. he would be ASHAMED of how many blacks are acting today. to the point he might do a 'Cosby' and tell them off. also General Larry Platt has a good message with how today's black youth are being. fools. in - Pants on the Ground.
Maybe just maybe....we should give all these "wronged and wounded" black americans some land and let them build their own casinos? Hey, it worked with the indians, who the white people really truely f*cked over. Can any one say Co-op city? Puuuulleeeeeze. That place is a hell hole and it isn't because of white people. And that is just one example. Outskirts of Chicago...freaking place is so broke down and vandalized/tagged. Who lives there? Blacks and wiggers. Go through any project at anytime of the day and you will see grown ass abled bodied men sitting on broke down lawn chairs drinking out of bottles wrapped in brown paper playing spades/dominoes/dice . What, because your great great granddaddies had to pick cotton, that gives their offspring the right to do nothing? Cause that is the way it seems. Most black people have no respect for their own property, much less other peoples. For crying outloud...during any riot...they burn down their OWN neighborhoods and steal from their own people. Blacks cried Rodney King...what about the white man Reginald Oliver Denny that black men ripped out of his rig and beat almost to death. They drive around in pimp mobiles with spinners and wonder why others think they might be. They flash guns like they are extended to their arms or belts and then wonder why whites think of them as gangsta. You don't get respect if you don't earn it. For God's sake...quit trying to blame the problems that blacks have today on somethng that happened in another era. Not all white people back in the day even owned slaves. My family didn't. Why should i have to hear "what you did to us" whenever I didn't do anything. How about all the white boys that went to war to help free the slaves? How about all the whites abolitionist that DID go to the mat for blacks. NOOOOOO..we get it rubbed into our faces constantly that we treated blacks badly cause they were slaves. FYI..slaves that were sold by their own freaking people also. THat is what Angry Grandma means when she says "stop playing the race card". It means that whites are tired of being blamed for shit that happened many years ago. Yeah the whole KKK thing was wrong, but you are talking about a very small group of narrow minded individuels that wanted to live in the past. We whites have our own F*cked up people in our race. God, half the times I am embarrassed to be the same freaking color as these slimeballs. But when ever whites kill someone, they blame it on their own white mother/father, not on the black people.
I didn't take anything out of context. You said that all you got was a measley apology and you would have liked something that you could have taken to the bank. You said it, dopey. And now, you want ME to acknowledge that YOU are hurt deep down inside, so that YOU can get over your own insecurities about race? Yeahhhh, that's logical. I admitted that slavery was terrible and frankly that's all I need to do. I'm not going to apologize since I didn't do anything wrong, and I'm not going to give you anything to take to the bank. Lastly, I'm not going to allow you the excuse that slavery is still terrible and its still affecting members of your community when they make dumbass mistakes. I believe in personal responsibility. You screw up, you better own up to it. There are no excuses anymore.
Office Pat, Oh Pat, Oh Pat, say it isn't so!!! You're back. Did you have to take a breather. Or did your fans encourage you to step back into the ring?? You know that you are taking that statement out of context. The conversation was how well the Jews faired after the Holocaust I was simply pointing out to you the Jews were given back the wealth that they lost during the Holocaust. By the way I have no problem with that. Anytime a wrong has been done then I think that society should take whatever measures it can to right that wrong. YOU said that the apology that congress gave to African Americans was a "retarded" (if I mispelled it this time, fix it in your head) waste of time (what an anti-racist statement!!!). Your were attempting to compare the success of the Jews to the failure (as you see it) of African Americans. I said it would have been nice to get an oil painting, jewels or something to take to Bank of America. I was contrasting the understanding that the world gave to the Jews after the Holocaust with the inability for Americans to show UNDERSTANDIND to fellow Americans concerning slavery. At no time did I ask or say that this country owes repartions to African-Americans. However since you bought up the idea, it may warrant looking into. Let me try this once again. You have shown imaturity, angry, and hate thoughtout the conversation. But I don't think you are a true racist, I don't think you are unreasonable, I think you are well informed, and very passionate about your views. Just am I am, and those are qualities that I respect. You and I have AGREEDED that slavery was horrible. You and I have AGREEDED that is was in the past. The only point that I think that we disagree on is rather or not I could possibly feel any pain from it. Let me put in in terms that you may understand. African Americans have wounds that are not visible to the eye(especially the White eye). I just ask for people to simply acknowkledge that fact. Then maybe just maybe the races in the country will began to truly get along and become color-blind. Blog back or insult me when you are ready!!! By the way don't ask me for unearned privledges..MAKE YOUR OWN DAY.
Oh Janice, since you claim you don't want reparations, let me remind you what YOU said when I mentioned Congress' apology (which, if you're looking for some sign that we understand, I think an apology from the nation's highest legislature would suffice): "I whished Clinton would have kept his "retarted" apology and would have given me a valuable oil painting,or jewels or something I could have taken to Bank of America." Hmm, sounds like reparations to me! How much more would you like me to embarass you? I mean, if I keep this up, I'm going to start feeling bad... NOT! You're a disgrace to humanity, and now you're a liar too. Please, I'm excited to see how foolish you look trying to talk your way out of this one. Make my day.
See what having good grammar and speaking articulate does to you Diamond? If you would have said "I don't know what that means"..you would have been "huh...OHHHH DUHHHHHH". LOL
Diamondgirl9 Thanks, I am armed and ready. Now I can show my kids and grandkids what I have learned.
@Sharon Thank you! LOL!
I just thought of a 2 more. IMO =in my opinion and IMHO=in my humble opinion.
Diamond....you almost had it.. IDK = I don't know.

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