Andrew Wirth Kills Officer Jennifer Luick, Her Boyfriend, Because She Pinched His Butt

• Hoping you will take a look at my sons case he is doing 17 to 34 years for self defense. I can not say what happened that day but what I do know is I heard the call on the scanner and I have heard storys about these boys for years before the shooting.If you go to you tube Erie parties/Joel Atkin you can hear the 911 call, their is a video of me telling what I want answers to and below the video is a link to face book with all the supporting papers and what my son said happened that day. If you can see things aren't right please send to as many people as you can. If anyone is able to give a lie detector test my son has ask for one since day one!

• I agree that we all need to act a certain way especially if you are influential in your community.  However, I knew Jenni and there is not one bone in her body that would make her think because she was a law officer that she had the "right" to be above the law.  To make such a judgement on someone you don't know is ignorant and quite hurtful to her poor family.  Jenni was a very fun loving, responsible person who spread joy wherever she went.  To have to pay with your life over something this small is unfathomable.  We all do inappropriate things...it's called being human. 

• This mess went way too far and he is lying when he was afraid for his life why do you to carry an illegal gun to a bar?

•  No one is reading your idiotic ramblings.

• YOU ARE RIGHT TRUTH. IN ORDER FOR WOMEN TO BE EQUAL TO MEN, MEN MUST BE EQUAL TO WOMEN. IF A ,MAN PINCHES A WOMANS BUTT, IT'S JAIL FOR HIM. TOUCHING MY BUTT IS DISREPECTFULL TO ME AND MY WIFE.  WIRTH MUST BE PUNISHED.  PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO HEAR WIRTH SAY "SHE DIDN'T PINCH MY BUTT, SHE TOUCHED MY ANUS" THAT IS A NO, NO FOR EVERY MAN I KNOW. THEN JENNIFER TELLS HER ABUSIVE BOYFRIEND? A MENTALLY CHALLENGED STRANGER, WOULD KNOW WHAT GREGG'S REACTION WOULD BE.   EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE TATOO ON WIRTHS NECK. IF I SEEN THAT TATOO ON A MAN I WOULD STAY AWAY. IT SAYS TROUBLE. WIRTH WAS THE GUN POWDER BUT JENNIFER WAS THE FIRE

• What right does an officer of the law to pinch somebodys a** ?   The problem I have is that they went BACK into the bar to start trouble. When her boyfriend reached behind his back, Wirth didn't know if he had a weapon or not. So who's to blame , Wirth or the womans "innocent" boyfriend?

• Cat, you are a kinder person than I. I don't feel sorry for andrew or his family. I do agree with what you posted. I agree 100% that andrew went to that bar that night to kill someone anyone. The occupation deal is for the cry babies writing about jenny being an off duty cop thinking she(cops) are above the law. If some good looking woman like her pinched me on the butt, I would have smile on my face and enjoy every minute of it and I hope it would hurt a little lol. I sure as hell wouldn't have killed her for it.

• What does their occupation have to do with this,he did not know what they did for a living,and i do not think he went there to kill any one,none of this should have happened and i do not know all the facts about each person but i will.Its just bad for every one,and i feel sorry for jennys and gregs and andrews family.

• You are really something,  no one should have to stand there and take what he did,and he tryed to but she would not let it go, she just had to say something to her friends and boy friend that he did not like the but pinch that she gave him,and there is nothing wrong with him being in a club or his tattoo.

• That's to bad, only 10 years. He'll still be young enough in 10 years to go to another bar with a loaded gun and kill 2 more people, regardless of their occupation.

• It was 10 years for both and 10 years probation and he had served 1 year already,so he had 9 left,and he was not drunk.I do agree this should be a lesson for every one.

• 10 years for each person max per count x's 2= 20 years. Not to bad I guess, the bars should be safe for the next 20 years. This should be a lesson for all. Don't drink and carry a gun into a damn bar. What the hell was he think and doing with a loaded gun in a bar with a bunch of drunks including himself.

• I agree this was a tragedy and so many people have gotten hurt,i know how to get in touch with jenny and peters family, does any one know how to get in touch with Andrew? I think he needs to know there are people out there that care and think he did try to forget what she did,she just could not.

•  you are an ass hole,and just because you have a tattoo does not mean he should get raped or beaten, there are a lot of great people in this world that have a tattoo and that does not mean that every one is bad. grow up

•  maybe peters went for gun then it went off .They did say it all happened fast.

• i agree 100% every word

• Oh wow. You have some scary spelling abilities.

• must you shout? Hey, I heard Wirt got 10 years. Frankly I am not convinced he did anyhting other than defend himself. Where are the eye whitnesses to the actual act of the shooting? I can find no press on the eye whitnesses and I find nothing on any forensic evidence that even remotely suggests that Wirt did anything other than defend himself. The officer and her boy friend are portrayed as the victims of a horrific murder at the hands of a ragging maniac. Maybe they were murdered, but why is this case so shrouded in esoterics and and emotion? Sounds like a railroading to me and it should not end with Wirt going to prision untill tit is heard in an higher court OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of Wisconsin.

• AHH...konstructive kriticism dat swerves no porpoise. 

• Wel lstated. However, where are the eye whtinesses to the actual act of the shooting? I have been looking for some press on the eye whitnesses and I can find none. Without eye whitnesses or some sort of forensic evidence, how can an individual be convicted of anything unless he admits that he did what he did with malace. Self defence is an act that is done without malace so self defence is not punishible. If a person is attacked and his/hers physical security or safety, and in my state property, is threatened then that person has the right to defend them selves, and, again in my state, property. This really does sound like a railroading and it shuold not be allowed to end with Wirts imprisoment without going to a higher court. This case should also look heavily at the conduct of police officers on that force with special emphasis on avoiding neagtive personal encounters.

• Are you planning your vacation yet? You really should.

• Regardless of if she said she was an officer or not, she was an officer.  A law enforcement officer  must maintain a personal standard of conduct that supports the safety and security of the community. If an officer can not be expected to at the very least respet the physical privacy of another individual then how can the community expect anyone in the community to do so? If Wirt acted inapporiately, from what I have read I do not know if he did or not, then he should be guilty of murder. If was defending himself then he should be free. Where are the eye whithnesses to the incident? There seems to be an attitude that thinks a job like being a plice officer ends with the removal of the uniform. IT DOES NOT! This may or may not have been her and her boyfriends fault. This was however absolutuly avoidable, and the person responsible for the initial actions that lead up the fatefull conclusion is the police officer.

• You should get some sleep. Maybe you just need a vacation but you really should try to find a nice calm and quiet place to relax.

• what?

• This had a lot to do with her job. Thinking that a police offider, off or on duty, can do to others what that officer might have to arrest someone else for is absolutly unnacceptable. She might have just been having fun like the news says, she might have been a fluzzy, and she might have just wanted to see what was going to happen. In any case. she was a law enforcement officer and therefore should have held herself to a higher standard than that which she found on the streets each day. The most important question and answer now is what will happen to the quality of officer on that force? Will the department ignore the fact that they may have more officers in their ranks that will make themselves suspectable to such unnessary encounters or will the department remind the entire force that they, as law enforcement officers, are not above them law and that their personal conduct on and off duty is critical to the safety and order in their community. Again, if Wirt is guilty using unnecessary force than he should be guilty of murder. If he was defending himself then, with the highly limited eyewhitness information I have been able to find, he should be free. However, regardless of if Wirt is free or in jail, the aspect of this case that I truly think is of the most importance now is how will this affect the conduct of police officers.

• Your premise is not stated, your facts are obtuse and highly opinionated, your accustaions are one sided to the point that they are presumably the product of a drunker stuper, and your conclusions are so sterotypical hollywood producers would be proud.

• He's not saying she shouldn't have been there because she was a cop is his saying she should have known better than to be immature and pinch people as a game, because she was a cop that had been trained on sexual harrassment.

• Why did someone have to pay for the lives lost if the incident was self defense? If you are attacked and you defend yourself, and your self defense results in the loss of life or lives, should you go to jail? NO! There is no price on human life, or least there should not be. If a case of self defense results in the one defending his or her self going to jail then the implication is that the person is entitled to defend his or herself but only he/she goes to jail, and that is a price on life. A law enforcement officer may defend his or her self, and the officer will often simply file a report, be questioned about the incident, and that is that. Granted, an officer will occasionally be found guilty of negligent homicide, be fired, and get a suspended sentence (unless it is a bit more than simply negligence). That is placing a price on life by dictating that one life is worth more than another simply because of the profession one chooses. If Wirt is guilty of negligent homicide then the sentence he got may be appropriate. If he is guilty of murder then the sentence he got is not appropriate. If he was truly defending himself then the sentence he got is not appropriate. The way I see it is one is either guilty or not. A compromise verdict and sentencing only serves the interest of those who seek to remove the right to self defense from the law. If Wirt was truly defending himself then he should be free.

• hahahah....ughhh geez you're just a moron...anyone who talks such nonsense such as being "butt raped by their father" probably had it done to them...get help...and stop the judgmental crap about viloence bc that's pretty much what you just threatened and if i was his attorney i woulod get you for that idiot

• no one cares about iowa

• No but she is held to a higher standard as opposed to a lay person... a police officer should know the law and that putting your hands on anyone that doesn't know u or welcome it can b illegal. I myself, as an officer, would not consider touching/grabbing/pinching/putting my hands on.. to a stranger bc as an officer it can b considered an offense, not to mention completely inappropriate. what transpired after did not warrant jenni or gregg being killed but obvioulsy this was not andrews intent...any logical person can see that this verdict was a compromise verdict...the jury believed he was defending himself and his mind thought he was in iminent danger (which is what the law states)....however someone had to pay for the 2 lives lost

• well actually gregg was not a law abiding citizen since he threatened jenni to the point where she felt she needed a restraining order...and that she didn't want her son witnessing his behavior

• what?! i live in illinois so maybe it's different, but if someone "pinched/grabbed" my ass i would not b ok w it...and my husband wouldn't either. isn't that pretty standard???  or is it just ok bc she's a woman??? look...these people didn't deserve to die...what a horrible tragedy, but they didn't die over "a butt pinch" like how tv says it...there were circumstances that led up to this. the guy clearly didn't go out that night intending on killing anyone...that was obvious to me. i don't even think he was such a big part of this gang, diablos lobos...he was only a prospect he's not going to kill anyone over it (if so and he was such a ruthless killer then why not the guy in the first bar) the whole thing is senseless but the buy was clearly freaked out...he's not some crazed serial killer or something. he has a legit supportive family and hopefuly he'll come out a better person

• he wasn't even a member though!!!  prospect...and just bc he was has nothing at all whatsoever to do with this case

• I think anyone carrying a firearm to a bar is just nuts.  That said, in my opinion, if there was a percentage of blame 70% goes to the girl and her boyfriend.  First, she of all people should know you don't go around grabbing strangers buts.  And although her friends tried to say she was upset she had made the man she pinched mad, the evidence shows them to be liars.  She stood in a crowd of girlfriends and pointed at him.  When he ignored that she said, "Relax, it's Jefferson", and then left.  He ignored that taunt.  Then she told her boyfriend.  Her friends say she was trying to make ammends but no one offered Wirth a drink or an appology.  In fact, the boyfriend grabbed his shoulder and asked him to step outside. What happened next was traggic - leaving two children without their parent.  I am heartsick - but both of the people killed were drunk...very drunk...and Jenni kept pushing the envelope until there was a tragedy.  And the families are upset that they were portrayed at pushy troublemakers.  Know what - they may have been very nice people most of the time - but that night they were the agressors.  And, the man killed had been accused of violent behavior when she obtained a restraining order against him.  There are only losers here but I hope it gives all the bully boys - and girls - a pause for thought.  This has been a senseless loss for all three people involved.

• Where can I get my copy of Wisconsin fighting rule book ?  Is it available in paperback or just a figment of this authors imagination like this article?  Special section on two on one?  They went back in that bar for a fight, that's what started it, not a butt  pinch or touching of colors. He was going to kick his ass and she was going to watch or help.  I think Wirth was the minority in the crowd and Peters wasn't going to let some biker disrespect his girlfriend. Sorry but most cops think they are above the law like her grabbing ass and starting bar fights because he didn't  want grabbed not to mention Who was going to drive, they both were drunk.  The Wisconsin fighting rule book should say don't start a bar fight if you want to go home and hug your kids tonight. They had no business calling him outside and now three lives are ruined over stupidity.

• Jennifer and Gregg were older and Andrew was young she should have know what would have happen when she told Gregg that Andrew told her not to f en touch him,I am not saying what he did was right but Gregg was older and bigger and i think he was scared and it happened so fast,and the gun went off before he new what happened it was over before he new it.Yes he has tats and has a bike and a tough look, that does not mean that he really is. I think he is really sorry for what happened and now he is paying for it.The young ones act all bad but not all of them really are i have two, my young one is twenty and she acts like she is bad shit, around some people but she is really sweet and has helped me when i had been in the hospital four times with my back and hip, but she will stand up for her self,so back off on Andrew there not all as tough as they seem.I would like to no were he is, if any one knows, i would like to at least let him know that there are some people  out here that can forgive.I am really sorry for the people that were lost,and there family,and for Andrew and his family to.

• You have a very valid point, Butthole, butt a very unusual "Name."  Please don't drink and shoot someone, nor drive. Carrying a concealed weapon, with or without a permit means that you should use appropriate judgement in the actions taken and be ready to accept the judgement of your peers in a court of law. I am a gun collector, shooter and hunter.  I never carry a gun on my person or concealed or otherwise on the street.  Any time I transport a handgun or rifle, it is always encased and in another part of the vehicle.  My firearms are in a safe at home. It is my intention never to hurt anyone, So Help me God. "Texting" while driving has now surpassed drunk driving in the number of vehicle accidents and vehicular deaths.

• Wirth should have received 20 years in a 4x8 cell for carrying a pistol in a bar, after getting into another altercation 2 hours earlier at another bar and 100 years more for killing two law abiding citizens.  That should be real easy for the touch nut to take. Officer Luick was off duty and probably just just being playful and blowing off some steam from a very stressful job, and a came across a hoodlum couldn't shake-off a playful action.  She was not, I believe, out to offend anyone, just having a fun time.  It may be a strange way to meet new people, people that can take an action as unoffensive.  Strange yes, but, there aren't too many people that haven't pinch a butt or two, no matter how inappropriate it may be. Greg Peters was described by those who knew him, as an individual that like to have fun, but also would try defuse a problem to make things better.  I believe that when he tapped (or grabbed, as Wirth described it)  Wirth's shoulder, he motioned to go outside because the bar was too loud and he just wanted to talk and hopefully make him understand that the pinch was meant to be playful, we will never know the real intention. The hoodlum Wirth, wanted to show to his bravado to his fellow gang members, a bunch of lowlifes.  He wanted to show that he really had "Nothing To Lose" by killing someone.  Now he will learn that he really had something to lose, like not having his Mommy's cooking, his Mommy's hug, his Daddy's handshake, talking trash with his former friends.  How many of his newly, former gang "Brothers" are going to go visit him in prison.  I presume that none will send him a Christmas card.  "Nothing to Lose," means that your life is not worth living, that you don't love your parents, friends and freedom. Andrew Wirth, enjoy your new life, you deserve it and a lot more like it.

• Hey Enzo...I agree that a gun should not be carried into a bar, theater, restaurant, baseball game...etc. There is no reason for it BUT there are people whohave a licence to carry a concealed weapon and in some states you can (don't know which ones). I heard Mr. Wirth had a license to carry that weapon and it was registered. Sad that booze and hot tempers on BOTH sides got out of hand.  I'm glad they found him guilty of something and didn't let him go free. I saw the victim's families talk at the sentencing hearing today. I saw some of it and it as truly SAD and I wish the victims were alive and well. While the families were talking I could not help but thinking about that night and why Jenni had to get Greg involved when she easily (esp as a cop) could have ignored Mr. Wirth's words about not wanting to be touched. I'm telling you I see alcohol do so much damage to peoples lives and I for one feel this was one cause of this tragedy.. For the record I would not want anyone grabbing my butt in a bar or any other place in public and I might have told Jenni the same thing Wirth did if she had kept it up. I know they were just having fun but she was intoxicatedand should have had control (in my opinion) as an off duty police officer.  I also heard that Greg or Jenni were looking in the defendents coat minutes before the shooting. I don't know..it's all one big mess and very sad for all involved. Did anyone hear the father of the boy sheleft behind on the stand? ? At one point he said that they cops asked for Jenni's firearm and the 11 boy went upstairs to get it! Stupid. I hope the families can heal and that Wirth gets some series counseling for his agression...

• I also feel as though no one has the right to take life, but people sometimes act before they think. I also feel that this young man is going to pay for his actions. Also remember these 2 people went back into the bar because she did not like the way he looked at her for grabbing her butt, but just because she is a police officer does not mean she can do as she feels when she feels. She should of just left not went to go look for a an apology that she clearly does not deserve.and escalate the situation. He did not follow them they went for him.... Most of all I do not feel this boy should be left to die in prision. again my feelings go out to the families who lost their loved ones, as I feel for Andrews parents also. Remember people just because he has tattoos does not mean he is a tough guy I am sure he pays for his actions everyday knowing how everyone involved has been impacted. Easy for people to say he is this and he is that, but I am sure he never thought something so tragic was going to follow him for the rest of his life.

• You sound just as guilty as anyone else who has killed someone that "they" thought should die. You say you have you are legally armed, so what your rant tells me if you saw him shoot those people you would have thought it your right to shoot him, and guess who would be in jail? Give up? You would be. Due to the fact you are "legally armed" you do have the right to protect yourself and others if you feel you are in fear of great bodily injury or death and also you can for others too IF you know the facts. And being that this was an something that had happened earlier in the night and had passed till the couple were leaving the bar when she sounds like tried to start more of a problem then it was and that had already passed. She pressed her boyfriend to make something of the matter as is was stated he had been looking for a fight that night anyways ( probably due to the fact his wife was grabbing strangers asses, which is very inapropriate of anyone let alone a police officer ). So they had left then she seemed to have pushed him to confront Wirth and at the time Wirth walked outside to also pursue the problem he gave up his self defence plee ( would have been totally different if he left and they followed him out or they had waited for him outside. then him shooting would have been %100 justified) but with a witness saying Wirth had told him to quit and stop I do see somewhat of a self defence. But i did get off tract with your talking how your so right, and i suspect if you had seen him shoot the two you would have shot Wirth and called yourself a hero cause you killed a cop killer. But in fact you just shot the man that had been victomized himself for no reason twice in the same night by the same couple who seem to not know common decency and felt above the law. And your legally armed ass would be the felon in jail for decades. And Wirth did not mean to shoot the girl, one of the bullets he shot the boyfriend with over penetrated him and hit her and for that unfortunatly he is quilty of. As you are resposable for any bullet you shoot that misses its target and hits another or in this case an overpenatration and into another. And that is something anyone that legally shoots in self defence has to deal and live with. And i  feel that is all he is guily of due to fact he shot a bullet threw the person who it should have been fired into but passed threw into another. But im sure after reading your post and how you go on and talk how your out there and going to get the "bad guy" basically is all you say, you will find yourself in prison soon enough. I carry legally everyday for self protection, but dont plan on trying to be a cop cause i have a gun like you think you are. You need to learn alot more of laws and legal uses cause from all of what you say basically put it out there thet you think you are more then you think due to a legal carry weapon, just due tohaving that does not give you same rules to use it as police. but im sureyou will have plenty of time to read up on laws while sitting in your prison cell yourself.

• he should have just enjoyed his pinch ,hes going to get a lot worse in his rear in jail. and he will definetly get what he deserves what aloser

• I beg your pardon there is no need to be so rude! Openminded has a valid point!  Just because the police officer was a women does not mean she had any right to violate Wirth's boundries like that. Also being someone who has pledged to uphold the law she should know better. Then to top it all off she goes to her boyfriend and complains about Wirth not liking her, a stranger, grabbing his butt! Who does that?!  Then her boyfriend gets pissed about it and wants to go fight him over it. Again who does that?!  "What, you don't like it when my girlfriend grabs your ass? I'm gonna beat your ass now!" It was so immature. A woman of the law should not have allowed this bullying to happen, it was very out of line.  I wish that no one had been hurt, or died. However I don't believe he killed them with a malicious intent. I believe it was self defense and that is also what the jury believes. I know I would feel threatened if a couple of strangers were bullying me like that.

• I feel horrible for the families of the police officer and Mr. Peters, but the truth is as a police officer she should not have been conducting herself in such a manner. She should have been the one to apologize to Mr. Wirth and then not mention anything to her boyfriend. All this could have been avoided. I wonder what would happen if that were a man, pinching women on the butt that night. I am sure the women would not have liked it.

• are you freakin kidding me? Your are stereotyping all motorcycle clubs....thats like discriminating against the color of ones skin or a nationality. Then you want to bring our President in your nonsense rampage lol wow! Its people like this that get shot because they run their mouths and think everyone should be quiet. Thats why the two of them died cause they had fast hands and big mouths.....I feel terrible about the situation but again it was self defense...amazing lol ur comment cracks me up and makes me wonder what is wrong with you and all your anger over someone you don't know....

• Absolutely, and though this misconduct alone  in my opinion is not punishable by death, there is something to say for the character of a person who feels that she should be able to do this and not only get away with it but be defended by a large aggressive boyfriend when her actions are not flattering.  Once again, this is someone that the community is supposed to be able to trust to make sound fair decisions about life and death matters.  Though I don't uphold the unjustified shooting and killing of these two people, one phrase rings in my mind and heart, "conduct unbecoming".

• You could not be more wrong.  I'm prior corrections and loved my job, other officers and the officers on the street.  That is, the officers who wear their badges with the pride, respect and honor that they promised the public when they took their oath.  I do have issues with police officers that conduct themselves in a manner that contradicts their positions in the community.  Everyone knows we are held to a higher standard.  If the situation in this case had not escalated to murder (in my opinion an unjustified shooting) and I were her superior with knowledge of her conduct, I would definitely have had an issue.

• nobody is an idiot for expressing their views on the case....your allowed to give and get your point across....so good for everyone who is doing so...and if anyone is an idiot its you for acting like one and name calling like a 12 yr old.

• Not only should an officer of the law not have committed sexual assault, regardless of the environment, but the boyfriend was a 40 year old who had the choice to make the right decision and "let it go".  Instead, he returned to the bar and confronted the defendant all because he expressed his disdain for being felt in the butt crack.  What is it that we, as women find it acceptable to conduct ourselves in this manner and still call ourselves Christians anyway.  She was wrong, no justification was required.  I disagree with the deadly force used and the hot temper of the defendant.  However,  there are always things about a person that only God knows and they receive justice based on His knowledge of their inner most self, not ours.

• so it gives the right for a drunk man to put his hands all over or woman or possibly rape her, right? I mean she should just expect that to happen lol omg! If this was a woman that got touched all over it would be blown the heck up but it wasn't....it was a man that got grabbed and touched and he didnt want it to happen....it should have never ended in lives lost but it's a case of SELF DEFENSE.

• Right, so what you are saying is that the police officer should have expected to be "pinched, punched or shot?  So what you are really saying is that she should not have been there.  Which translates into not only was her conduct inappropriate, but also her choice of recreation.  You just made yourself sound stupid with the truth!

• Wow I see a lot of people who do not understand criminal justice and never will....and being in a "motorcycle club" doesn't mean you a freakin gangster or in a gang....omg! It would have never got the death penalty because its called self defense and no he should have not killed them but its SELF DEFENSE that brought the sentence down to its lowest form of punishment.

• No one deserves to be shot down like their life is not valuable.  However, we need to be respectful and act our age (particularly when we are law enforcement) by not violating the physical rights of others.  If the scenario was reverse would it have been cute?

• Sorry gentlemen.  Mom and Dad said - "hands to yourself", and better yet - "if you go looking for trouble, you'll find it".  It is, however, extremely sad that her indiscretion, and inability to contain her date (for a cop) led to such a tragic end.  Seems like this fight thing is common practice in their town, or did I miss something?  Let's concentrate on the child ... here is the real tragedy.

• that cop was grossly imature to go around grabing guys butt, think about the disrespect to other women who may have not cared for a woman pinching their mans butt.........infact if it was the other way around men couldnt get away with that type of playing....we would get kicked out the bar and off to jail and on some pevert list...........she wass playinng and thus played with the devil.......as to him only getting ten years that jury is a bunch of idiots....

• self defense all the way just watched the sentancing he did not start nothing that night they did

• Two years after the case is water over the dam, it shows up on "In Session" tv and it becomes apparent that Wirth did NOT belong to a "gang" and the cause of these two people's deaths were the result of THEIR own actions and he was defending himself against a man forty percent large than he along with the off duty policewoman who was DRUNK and sexually assaulting not only the accused but others in the bar. The lesson to be learned here is "alcohol and police personnel are a bad mix" and both of the accused's attackers might well have been armed, themselves and had the roles been reversed NOCHARGES would have ever resulted.

• Correct I agree with Smoopie

• Great analysis! I really enjoyed reading this and I think you made some very good points!

• Wow. What? RECAP: as I have read this, there was an off duty female police officer with her boyfriend at a bar for a concert. She, the off duty police officer, grabbed this guys butt, Wirth's butt (someone I guess she did not know?), and when Wirth, the guy, 'glared' at her she told (complained?) to her boyfriend about the glare (what did she expect to get from a guy after she grabbed or pinched or whatever his Butt?). The boyfriend confronted the Wirth, and they, Wirth, the boyfriend, and the off duty police officer, proceeded outside the bar. Now it gets really interesting; the article says ""Wirth seemed reluctant to fight. "The man with the gun told him to quit being so stupid," witness Brian Trader said. No one heard shots or saw gunfire"". So Question?  Because  “No one heard shots or saw gunfire", how does ANYONE know that Wirth did not react with due force? Is this statement accurate? I have to believe that the WHOLE thing was absolutely avoidable. Why was the off duty police officer grabbing some butt other than the one she came with? Why did a police officer, off duty or otherwise, allow herself and her boyfriend to become involved in a protracted engagement with someone at a bar? Why did Wirth have to act to defend himself? OK.....Wirth, has tattoos and is a biker and carries a gun and acts the badass part and lives the way he wants to, and so on and so on............All of that is what it is but WHY DID A POLICE OFFICER ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? ..... This sounds a lot like a railroading because it was a police officer that was killed. Maybe Wirth really is guilty of manslaughter….. However, this article portrays the actions of the police officer and her boyfriend as nothing more than the happy everyday actions of someone having fun and enjoying life as portrayed by “Most men wouldn't take offense to this (i.e. the butt grab), since we're genetically starved for female attention.”, and “Which means he just had to take umbrage with the Oconomowoc cop's harmless overture”…The only thing these statements say is that the author of this article, http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/12/andrew_wirth_kills_officer_jen.php,  is starved for female attention and that if a woman makes a sexual gesture it is ok. I wonder what the opinion would be had the butt grab been initiated by Wirt? Sure, it was a harmless gesture and the glare was just as harmless. Maybe Wirth thought she, the police office, wanted to get to know him better, he simply attempted to communicate with eye contact. Evidently, by the way the news portrays the story, Wirth is evil simply because of who he is and the way he lives, but the police officer and her boyfriend were fine unequivocally upstanding citizens. Seems to me again that there is something not being told or is not known about the incident. There seems to be a lot missing from this article and also other articles I have read about this case. If Wirth was such a menace to society then why did this sort of thing not happen before? Was this the first time he carried a gun with him? Was this his first bar fight? Why did the police officer act the way she did? Why did the boyfriend act the way he did? ....This sounds oddly like Wirth is guilty simply because he is not perceived as an acceptable  type  who would be of upstanding character like a police officer would be expected to be. Is grabbing or pinching or whatever a butt of someone you don’t know the actions of a moral character? Two people died. We accept the deaths of those who perpetuate the demise of others as acceptable as far as the deaths are justifiable  in a court of law. If Wirth acted in a capacity other than what was necessary to defend himself  then he deserves the verdict he got. But there should be some answers to why the whole thing got to the point that it did.

• The constitution sets forth rules to bar fights????? Interesting! Even more interesting is that you said "I lived all my life in the Midwest". "Lived" being past tense leads me to the conclusion that you must now be dead. And that makes me wonder how you can you say "I AM a constitutional expert"? That and the fact that there is no such thing as constitutional laws of bar fights! If you're referring to the right of self-defense then you'd probably better take the side of the shooter since he was called out, thus putting his life in danger.

• Angry, arrogant drunks have a show-down and people end up dead?!?  Wow, what a surprise!!!  Should a neck tattoo guarantee that you are a bad person? No. Does a badge guarantee you are a good person? No. Did ass-grabber or her boyfriend deserve to die? No.Does shooter guy deserve the death penalty? No. Were they all old enough to know better? Yes.

• I believe in the right to bear arms. Yes i think he should go to prison for what he did, but dont pin this on a bike gang or a gang. The only thing people are pinning a gang is because of his neck tattoo. " Nothing to lose" we all have something about that to live for or nto.

• Not Guilty of Intentional but Guilty of Homicide by negligent handling of a dangerous weapon. That carries UP TO 10 years per person of which half is served on like house arrest and they get off early for good behaiver. So some say the worst he will serve locked up is like 7 years. That is what I read. I read it was the Lowest Charge Possible and the families were in an uproar over the verdict. I was ok with it. I was between that and Not Guilty. Mostly because Greg Peters had a violent past with Jennifer and more than likely others before her is my guess.  And she was a big woman. I think that would be like two against one.

• Did it get its little feelings hurt?  I have never been arrested in my life.  I will tell you something else:  I am smart enough to know that the word is "reeks"--not "reaks" , and to use commas when needed.  Your run-on sentences run on!  Also, you are delusional.  You dreamed up that phrase "put them in the hospital".  Instead of Smoopie, your name should be Stupie.

• I am confused, I know of many states where you cannot carry concealed weapons. Hmmm Im in Illinois and lived in California and neither of those let you carry a gun.

• I get so angry when people play the "beautiful little boy" card.  He is the main reason she should not have been in this situation in the first place. She was clearly not thinking of him when she got her boyfriend all upset knowing his past!!! My God she had a restraining order out againt him. What the hell was she thinking?  Oh thats right, she wasn't. It makes me even angrier that she allowed her son to be around that abusive man.

• Please get your facts straight. The "woman" got hit accidently when it went through The guy. You know the one with the RESTRAINING order against him.

• None of my family would behave that way.

• I agree Enzo.

• Oh Angie hush.he's no murderer maybe peters shouldnve said let's go outside.his girlfriend shouldve kept her hands to herself she knows better.

• "Im not against guns at all, at times they can be good to have ONLY if your life is being threatened or robbed, raped, etc." So my right to defend my life and those of my family only exists in certain places? "... Excuse me mister bad guy, don't kill me yet. Let me run home and get my gun." Although I don't agree that they deserved to die for this, I have to say, if that had been a guy grabbing women's butts it wouldn't be described as a "harmless overture".

• i fill what wirth did was write she should of never dug in the mans ass besides she is a officer of the law arrent they the ones who are supose to set a good exsample

• Ok so all cops should go to work and home that is all they can do.  You are allowed nothing else.   You are an idiot.  A cop can have a few drinks just like anyone else.  She was in another country in fact.  They are people too and just like people when you drink you may not make the best choices as in this case.  People who think cops should have no life other than putting their life on the line are stupid fucks.  One of the reasons cops drink as much as they do is because of the crap they see at work.  I think all cashiers should not have any fun either...that is the same principle.

• Each state is diff about what law pinching a butt would fall under so you can't blanket it.

• IDIOT! Her being a cop has NOTHING to do with what happened.

• IDIOT

• CLassic case of 2 wrongs do NOT make a right.

• Oh so all LEO"s should go to work to defend you and the public to the death even putting you before their own family  (grave yards are full of cops that have and lost) then if they happen to get through the night and make it home to their families they should stay home and never go out or do anything according to you.   THey can go to church and help old ladies accross the street but that is it.  They should not be allowed to have any life outside of their job right?  THey are their job and nothing else.  Paalease!  I agree this lady made poor poor choices however, she did not go into a bar saying I am a cop and I am going to grab your butt and because I am a cop you will like it!  The only reason people know she was a cop is the media.   And what she did was not the right thing to do but, it would never be a reason for a police officer to lose a job over so deal with it.  Cops live by the same laws you do and not some crazy perfect JOE law you would like them to live by.  I know.  I do it everyday.

• Oh yeah you are a smart one eh?  Runned?  And her being a cop had NOTHING to do with this fight at all.  If she came out from the gate saying she was a cop I am sure a gun would have never been pulled out.  Now go pick up a book.

• You are about the most stupid blogger I have read in a long long time.  Your comment reaks of a person who does not like cops because you have been arrested too many times.  You are a joke to think you could even touch a cop and "put them in the hospital".  The female in this case should never had touched anyone however, she never announced she was a cop and did not use her job as a way of touching people you asswipe!  Cops do not "think they are GODS" you just do not want to go by the law and when you get caught you become mad at all cops.  If you don't like the laws in this country go to the law makers not the people who enforce them.  If you are not smart enough to do that which I suspect is the case then move to another country.  Oh and the next time you hear the boogie man outside of your window don't call 911 ...get out from under bed wipe the shit out of your pants...stop crying and take care of your own damn family.

• I lived all my life in the Midwest, Upstanding. I am a constitutional expert in the laws of bar fights.

• I have to LMAO while reading parts of that....but I know about 3 bikers and they are the sweetest ppl you would ever want to meet! I cant and wont speak about all bikers, cuz I really don't know what they're intentions are! Also now that I have heard Mr. Wirth's testimony, I honestly don't know if he truly did think his life was in danger! I suppose we are all gonna have different opinions in this case! I just wish that night could have ended in a peaceful manner! Also , when I heard that Jenni told the defendants friend Kim, that she was beautiful, that was soo sweet! It sounded like Jenni might have just wanted to make peace outta the whole F-ed up situation! God Bless to All even if you don't like my post!

• Very well said!!!! DITTO!

• YOU are an idiot. The fact that she was a cop had nothing to do with it.  SHe would have acted that way if she was a maid.  SO get over it jackass and stop saying the same thing over and over.

• Truth you are an idiot!  How many times did you say in your little blog about her being police?  There was NO evidence that she "thought she was above the law because she wore a uniform" .  Sounds to me you just have an issue with the police and the only people that have issues with police are people who have a bad taste because they have been arrested.  I agree her actions were what caused the whole thing but, it had NOTHING to do with her job.  SHe did not pinch him and then say "hey I am cop I can do that " etc etc.  IN fact if she had made it clear she was a cop the gun would have never been pulled out. 

• If Jennifer and Greg were anything like you, then good riddance!

• Mathew, do you just go around grabbing dudes asses all the time you sick fuck?

• He defended himself against a couple of people with a death wish.  If she was such a "great person" why was she out getting wasted with a child at home?

• "SO WHAT, IF YOU ARE IN A BAR YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT DRUNKS DO" Drunks shoot people dipshit.  Why can't you just accept that?  If you don't want to get pinched, punched, or shot by some drunk asshole, then don't go to bars.

• Pete Kotz wrote:  "But instead of abiding by Wisconsin bar fighting rules -- under which both men swing recklessly, tire quickly, then repair to the bar for additional liquid sustenance -- Wirth pulled a gun and shot the cop and Peters, then fled, according to witnesses. The two victims were later pronounced dead." There are no rules in a bar fight. You enjoy just making up stuff huh Pete?

• you all are missing the point. The point is two people lost there life and one his freedom. someone lost a child a brother a sister a nephew a niece a friend a granchiild and most of all a child a mother. all involved parties were wrong but you can not say when you are asked to go outside to fight that you must go. He could have stayed inside and looked "weak" but no the biker had something to prove. Peters could have decided to just go home and looked "weak" but no the tuff guy had something to prove. The person who pulled the gun to me is the biggest "bitch" scared to take an ass whippin. I agree she is an officer but she is still human and should be able to go out and have fun without being judged and at the same time you should conduct yourself in a professional manner.

• SO WHAT, IF YOU ARE IN A BAR YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT DRUNKS DO, AND THAT DOES NOT GIVE TATTOO MAN THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE, SO HE NEEDS THE DEATH PENALTY PLAIN AND SIMPLE, HE IS A BULLY AND A HATER AND NOW A MURDERER, BYE BYE ANDREW WIERTH

• As the above article says....a neck tattoo says to others ..."Since It's Not Self-Evident, You Should Know That I Am a Very Bad and Dangerous Man."   If he hadn't been in possession of a gun that night, 2 people would still be alive today!

• WHAT WAS THE VERDICT...CAN ANY ONE TELL ME..THANKS

• i dont believe andrew was out to kill anyone let alone hurt somebody,its very sad andrews life is also gone, jenifer and the boyfriend were no angels,what cop waljks around a bar pinching people? is that normal? noone can take away what happen but if you think about it that is where itall started.no they should not have died!!! and i would bet andrew feels the same way,he will be  paying for this for a long time. yes he looks like a tough kid from the outside,but i see a very sad young man wishing that night never happend

• This woman was an off duty officer that was being inappropriate to the people around her. That's what people get when they think they have it all. This lady was an officer and thought no one could touch her. Its harassment to be touching strangers in such a way even if your a female. She knows this because she is an officer, but since she had her uniform off she was back to her wild party self. Not saying this guy should have killed them, but you can't go around pushing strangers buttons. Especially now days when things are so corrupt and juvenile that people will kill for stupid reasons. If your an officer of the LAW you should be more respectful to the by standards around you, This lady was not and it cost her life.  

• Damn stupid bitch was drunk. Cops should not be allowed to drink. Even if they are off duty at the time. She obviously was not practising what cops preach. About what to do and not to do while intoxicated.

• Why do you call it a pinch ? It was a grab ass grope from a cop who doesn't know right from wrong.

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