Well, it's quite fitting that this idiot will be sentenced to a hard life by her own stupidity, ignorance, lack of remorse, and attitude of entitlement. This is only the beginning for her. Too bad society has to foot the bill for what will be become a long line of incarceration and other damage unleashed on us. Can't we euthanize her now?

THIS LITTLE GIRL IS PRETTY SICK. HOW CAN YOU KILL A CAT? WHAT A DUMBASS. THEY SHOULD PUT HER ASS IN THE OVEN AND BAKE HER ASS ... WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD?? WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO HER PARENTS? HER MOM NEEDS TO GIVE HER A REAL GOOD ASS KICK

Animal cruelty is wrong and disgusting. People who torture animals, have gone on to become serial killers.

That girl is clearly a sociopath and needs to be put away in prison for life.

That poor cat... I have a cat at home and if anyone hurts my baby, I'll f--king kill them.

I wish I had been there when she took that picture, the one where she is ugly as hell. I would have pushed her right off and smiled as her body crumbled into mangled pieces. Say what you will about me, but I am not using my anger to hurt the innocent. I have no intentions on correcting those who have done some serious wrongdoings. So I am only out for myself and those who are innocent or victims. It makes me feel better (as I said before, I have an anger problem) to treat these scum like the scum they are and say horrible things about them (I am going to say them about something or someone, might as well be one of them) and the innocent/victim needs to have someone to back them up, and that is what I like to do. Most people are irrational in that they want to protect the criminal, which will result in more murder and chaos. I choose to protect the innocent, and persecute the criminal in the only way I know how; by word of mouth. But the truth be told, I would feel much better if I were to come face to face with one of these scum bags.

Someone deleted my comment so I say again...this bitch is ugly as hell, ugly face, no teeth, skank ass hoe, ugly smile, ugly body, ugly ass bich. Ugliest bitch I have ever seen!!!

HAHAHAHAHA OMG ROFLLMAO

This girl's folks obviously weren't good at parenting and she obviously didn't get the love she needed as a child.

Believe me, I know people like this and they all have something along these lines in common.

Send her here to WV...we can take care of her. First, regardless of popular opinion...we hate inbred idiots such as this. Plus,we don't like cowards that think mistreating animals makes you tough...it just makes you good for target practice. Wait till she gets to jail. Every "dog" (and I don't mean the 4 legged kind) has it's day...and if it,meaning shit for brains here, has been a really good "dog", she'll have an extremely good day..and,I mean that in the worst possible sense of the word. Most people are not in jail for weird crimes such as this, and, they tend to mete out thgeir own type of retribution.

Nope. You cannot blamethe parents for everything. Alot of kids now days are just pure evil. And, do you know why? They are allowed torun rampant, do pretty much whatever they please, then, instead of getting sent to "real prison" for their acts, they are sentenced as juveniles. So, when they are 18 or 21, they are released and their record is clean. People say, "But, they are just kids." BS!!! I know alot of people that were "just kids" at some point in timeand noineofthem ever did anything like you read now. Makethese people pay for their crimes. If they are "just kids", then,this will help them along tomaturity. Children are smart...99 timesoutr of 100, they know exactly what they are doing and the blame lays with themselves.

This is not going to be last you hear about this girl...If and when she gets out- She is only going to cause more trouble...Lock her up and throw away the key...Next it wont be a cat..it will be a person!

I remember feeling so repulsed by this future serial animal torturer when I first read this case some months ago.

Unfortunately, she will not be prevented from acquiring more innocent animals in the future. No one will do what is necessary to prevent her from in fact doing this again.

We will do what we always do with people like her: get her to say she'll never do it again, we will pretend like we believe her, let her go and then just keep a nice tally sheet.

I pray that she meets a real Jame Gum soon.

A Serial Killer in the making boys and girls.

They always start with animals...

What a sick freak! I have 3 dogs and two cats. My older cat "adopted" us when we moved into our house abdout 2 1/2 years ago. My younger one was about 5 weeks old when my dad found her in the hay at his work. I had to bottle feed her and everything so she became my "baby." I cannot imagine what I would do to someone if they ever hurt any of my babies, whether its my daughter or my animals.

This "girl" should be locked up for a very long time. She has already proven that she is a danger to others. How many more people or animals will she need to hurt before someone will see she is a sociopath? Maybe we should just throw her in an oven and leave so we don't have to hear her screams.

This girl got her ass beaten so hard by her pops. You could hear her screams throughout the block.

How can you cry over a cat and not robbing someone at gun point?

The are both wrong but she should be rotting behind bars for the gun incident not just for killing a harmless cat.

Um Kim, I suggest mext time you are drunk, go pass out and don't leave comments. You just sound ignorant.

Bellick, I agree that she should be punished for the gun crimes. I guess it the total lack of remorse she showed. "Its dead bitch?" Yea that's just sick. But if she shows no remorse for killin an animal the way she did, I can only imagine what she would do if she killed a human, which seems very unlikely at this moment.

Whoops! Sorry for the double post! Phone messed up!

And I meant to put "which doesn't seem very unlikely at this point."

Somebody needs to put that toothless clown looking ugly b*tch in an oven. Roast her so she looks a little more charcoal, maybe that will wipe the stupid grin off her face.

This little be-yatch needs to be sterilized, so she can't pass on those ugly genes. Probably her entire freakin' fambly too, as there has to be some genetic foundation for this kind of shit. Eugenics, that's overdue in Amerika.

Typical .. and you know what I mean.

Someone call in /b/ackup. They can take care of this.

WHY! lol
i think she deserves more than 2 years! i think she should do till shes 18 and then stand trial again!

Its a cat get over it. Only good cat is a dead cat.

They say that cruelty to animals is one of the first signs that a person will later turn to cruelty to humans.
The lack of remorse is very troubling...I don't doubt that this isn't the last we will hear of this girl.

When are they going to put her in jail? That is the only way to help her.

Nice parenting skills.

The punishment was NOT harsh enough!She should get 20 years!

Thats messed up, how could anyone put a cat in the oven, and later say it was just a joke. Peta is going to be all over her, lol

Jae206 said:
THIS LITTLE GIRL IS PRETTY SICK. HOW CAN YOU KILL A CAT? WHAT A DUMBASS. THEY SHOULD PUT HER ASS IN THE OVEN AND BAKE HER ASS ... WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD?? WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO HER PARENTS? HER MOM NEEDS TO GIVE HER A REAL GOOD ASS KICK

Sorry, ain't gonna happen. Her "mom" is a 24-year old crack addict, and she's too busy turning tricks to worry 'bout her grown-up daughter.

The real problem is there are no fathers anymore. Fatherhood has been made culturally, financially, politically, and socially irrelevant.

sad

THIS GIRL IS FKN SICK!!!YES SHE NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED FOR BOTH CRIMES...BUT HOW IN THE HELL DOES SOMEONE HAVE THE NERVE TO "JOKINGLY" PUT A CAT IN THE OVEN AND LEAVE?!?!PEOPLE LIKE THAT DO NOT EVEN DESERVE TO LIVE ON THE OUTSIDE WORLD...THEY DESERVE TO LIVE IN PRISON UNTIL THEY FUKN DIE!!!

Justin.TV has pedophiles, penis and boobs

CALL AL SHARPTON OR MESSY JESSIE , AND THEY WILL TELL YOU IT'S THE WHITE MAN'S FAULT...DUMB ASS NEGRITOS

hahhaah some black people are soo rediculous

OMG! That girl is messed up!

I hope someone gives these girls what they deserve in jail. and by that, I mean I hope someone does the equivalent of putting them in an oven set at 500 degrees.

This APE should be locked in a cage for the rest of it's life.

She's just asking to be put in an oven.

Really sad that at this age she is so unrepentant and is capable of so much evil

She is not only a problem of her parents but also of society. All of us are to be blamed in some way or the other. For allowing our kids to grow with TV overdose, for watching shows that incite violence, for not taking the time to teach children the basics of life-compassion. For working too much and ignoring our family life so that we can buy that latest gadjet or house, for trying to buy buy buy so that we can hoard wealth and things but which results in ignoring our family and our society.

We are also responsible if we have never raised our voice against injustice and pure wrong in this society thinking it is somebody else's child so why bother

She is definitely to be blamed but so are all of us in some way.

Been teaching high school for over 25 years. I cannot say I am surprised. I see screwed up kids all the time.

I'll bet you this: This terrible, awful, horrible person is not the product or a normal, stable, traditional family.

I'm just sayin'...

We all Know our system is all messed up so someonelse will have to DIE for it. Im a very Down to Earth Animal Lover, They are our really True Friends in Life that dont give you any trouble or Back Talk, They just need love and attention like we all Do. Sooooo Remember this;An Animal will always love you more than it really love's itself, if treated properly...I Just Hope another Hoodlum gets ahold of Her( Cherry ) before she Hurts anybody else and show her what pain and suffering is all about. We are all GOD's Creatures.

Can somebody please register the DOMAIN CheyenneCherry.com and create a page about this that will last for a long time?

This girl is a little piece of sh*t...You see...this is the type of person who deserves all that bad stuff that we see on the news, that happens to good people...Her day is coming I'm sure....Enjoy your payback chica....Carma doesn't always have a pretty face.

Lisa you stupid hippie, The only one responsible for this cowardly act is the savage herself. These people are indoctrinated in to black thug culture from day one, and murder and violence is all they know. They are lower than animals. Black children should be put into cages as soon as they are born.

LOL!!!

Typical nigger behavior

acctually animal abuse is one of 12 signs of a serial killer sooo ya but thats pretty fu cked

She will kill again. She is sociopathic.
Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacDonald_triad
"The Macdonald triad (also known as the triad of sociopathy) is a set of three behavioral characteristics that are associated with sociopathic behavior. The triad was first identified by J.M. Macdonald in "The Threat to Kill", a 1963 paper in the American Journal of Psychiatry.

The triad links animal cruelty, obsession with fire setting, and persistent bedwetting past the age of five to violent behaviors; particularly homicidal behavior."

She's a sociopath in training.
One day she will be in prison and will be telling some podcast interviewer how she found Jesus and is helping other, younger girls not make the same mistakes she did.

@Blair, she'll probably kick your ass, she killed a cat its wrong, but no need to get so emo about it..

This is totally uncalled for.

Yea she killed a cat but it wasnt a quik death that poor thing suffered...would u like to be put in the oven at 500 degrees???..she needs to be tought a lesson..ppl like that r a waste of space...and if ur going to b a parent raise your FUCKING children or close ur damn legs and men wrap ur shit up.

Euthanize? She should either be imprisoned for life in solitary or cooked in an oven herself, and I'm not an animal rights activist; I just think its fitting.

Welcome to Barack Obama's America. Nothing will happen to this girl.

Why is is that people who are so outraged by cruelty to animals seem to have absolutely no reservations detailing the cruelty they would inflict on humans. It doesnt help your case when you spout off on how you would repay the acts of cruelty to animals with your own brand of inhumane punishment. Some children who are cruel to animals may themselves have suffered abuse and neglect at the hands of adults who had absolute power over them. Dont be so fast to judge people you dont know nothing about. Most people are not born evil. They turn out that way because of their life experiences

Would it not just be 'hilarious' if we pushed her and and her friend into a Nazi style gas chamber, then of course leave to ignore them chocking? We can even say to their parents and 'friends' "The two trollops are dead bitch" :)

I am not a animal right's activist, I am just a guy who believes ape decedents like this 'female' specimen should be neutered and then kicked / hit once by every person they have upset or harmed. And in this case an extra kick or punch for every non human person. (That cat was more of a person then that waste of DNA)

@mory, most people consider a pet a family member, let me know if you wouldn't be out raged and threaten to kill someone if it happened to you.

Maybe Mike Huckabee will grant her a pardon so we can find out what God is whispering into her brain.

She's a fetus that should have been aborted.

That girl is blah! She needs to be locked up, or at least punished by one of God's angels.
I don't know for sure about this killing animals thing leading to serial killers, but this is horrible. I know about ovens (I have burned my finger on an Oven heating element that was at 350 degrese once. Was getting a pizza out and forgot about putting on the oven mits..well..it bruned like hell, that's for sure. I can only picture what would happen with an animal or human in an oven.

And how ab out the microwaving cat thing? Not the same person, but those boys didn't care either.
What do you folks think is worse?
An oven, or a microwave? I believe both are horrible.
To tell you the truth, I'm glad she's locked up, I don't want to find out anything about her.
That's not the only person I am sure that has done something...how about the case last year or whatever where that mother killed her baby, then the grand parents insist that the baby is somewhere and it takes cops forever to discover the location of what's left, and such?
That mom who I think is still in prison...Casey whatever her last name was..should teach this girl a lesson or too about how those kinds of people feel once they've killed

humans..

I agree with the majority of people on here about how she should go to jail and get what she deserves. But at the same time, none of us know her and therefore cannot judge and incriminate her based upon the information we've been given. To each their own thoughts and I'm not disagreeing with anyone but rather just stating my opinion.

I believe she should go to prison but while there get physiatric help and see why she did what she did. That way if she is mentally insane then they can go ahead and lock her away in a phsyc ward and if she isn't then do whatever they need to do to make sure they keep an ever watching eye on her as much as possible. Seeing that she didn't want to stay to see that cat cook makes me believe that she isn't mentally insane and is just sick and cruel and for that should be locked away, I don't care if she is 17 years old. As far as robbing at gunpoint, she should have been locked up for that as well instead of just the cat killing.

No matter how you look at it though, "It's dead, bitch." is a very sick and twisted mind with no remorse for anything she has done and that in and of itself is enough to worry anybody to think that there are people out there that don't care about who or what they hurt along the way as long as they get what they consider "revenge". It truly is a sad world we live in these days.

18 months????Cut her dumb head off! that would make people learn respect animals.What a fuckin' joke!

What a waste. She's cute, too bad she's not really dating material.

She should be sentenced to death and made into an example. A large microwave over should be constructed and she should be cooked in it. Some people are not worth anything.

while I agree that animal cruelty is horrible and burning to death is my number 1 way not to die (I have a list). it seems to me that the reactions of all the kids leaving comments on here is a bit rash.

a cat is not a human being. if she'd baked a baby in the oven then the death penalty (even by burning) would be completely justifiable. I don't think any of you intrawebz people understand exactly how long two years is without good behavior...

and judging by her character it's pretty obvious she won't be getting that.

When she gets out I hope someone does some heinous shit to her. I'm talking like sick hannibal lector shit. I hope one day i'm lucky enough to waltz on her grave and shit all over it.

To those whining that those of us here are quick to condemn this cunt to a violent a painful death as punishment for her inflicting a violent and painful death of an animal and claiming, 'oh, she must have been abuused. baww! you can't hold it against her, she was made that way', well she's that way now and isn't going to get better so why not put her down? We put animals down all the time when they get too sick or become mad, why not her?

There are some things a new weave simply won't fix.

The writer for these reports is sick himself. He lacks substance and quality. Is this an educated person? Obviously, this child has problems. This child is a reflection of the poor mental attitude of CF. You are a pathetic so called person CF. How sad our society have so called humans like you on earth. Show some compassion, that poor child was obviously not offered any type of good modeling, such as yourself CF. To have that type of regard for a sick person like herself you are not far from that type of so called human CF. You are pathetic.

She got to go!! Cat--baby---people may draw a distinction but this girl probably doesn't and it is only a matter of time. Why want to keep people like this around in our society is beyond me. 2 Years. Besides the death penalty she should have gotten at least 5 years--for the burglary alone.

I am disappointed at the rampant racism present in this comment thread.

How many of you are being racist "ironically" ?

How many of you are defaulting to racial slurs only because your outrage at the crime has shut down your higher thought processes ?

How many of you actually think there is a genetic correlation between psychopathy and skin melanin content? I'm pretty sure the genetic markers are quite distinct.

The answers to these poll might be sociologically...
interesting.

I am also disappointed by the use of adjectives 'cunt' and 'bitch', but I understand that people are angry. We don't have very many swear words for "psychopath", so I guess this was the best that could be found on short notice.

Remember this girl. She will be back later for much worse things. She is a sociopath. She is just warming up. And what she doesn't know now, she will learn while in jail. But in the end it won't matter where she is, she would eventually top what she has done. As in all these cases you are left to wonder about the parenting.

She could also end up being a child abuser herself, or a murderer, but either way it won't be pretty.

Oh great -- here go all the dumb crackers again. What's the matter, is there no great sales at Walmart, or is your 13-year old cousin grounded. You stupid hillbillies say "typical N***a shit" in one sentence, and "the makings of a serial killer" in the next. I've got news for you cretins, most serial killers are white. And yes, almost all of them start by torturing animals. So quit trying to diagnose society's ills with the few brain cells you haven't drowned in Pabst and leave the policing to the police. This girl would whip the shit out of any of you scrawny ass, big-bellied jethros if you ever got the balls to walk into her neighborhood. And before you demonstrate your complete lack of sentient thought anymore, I am white. I am not against anyone for the color of their skin -- but I do hate me some stupid people. There are at least a dozen people on this page alone who shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

Well, you should be going now -- I think one of your sheep is getting horny. Either that or your fat-ass wife needs some more ding-dongs. So beat it!

BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD GIRL!
What people do to animals is cruel and horrible. They have feelings just like you. What if someone put you in an oven and left cause they didn't want to hear you die?
The nerve some people have now-a-days.
Shame on her. I hope she enjoys her karma.

Karma will get her. Two years is a joke, how long do cats live? 9 to 21 years sounds good for her.

"People who torture animals, have gone on to become serial killers."

Isn't that all of America then?? I mean most people eat meat -cough cough

Anyways. Shes clearly a sociopath. Good to get her put away ASAP. Can we just put her in an oven and close the door??? Doesn't even have to be real, just make it seem real so she will freak out and perhaps consider what she's done.

That girl needs serious mental help now before she's allowed to go free. I don't think there's much helping a person like that though. What a sick, sick person.

On the bright side, if news spreads of what she did to that cat around jail, she'll get what's coming to her.

Can't wait till she get out in 13 months....It will be her time to bake.....

I do not quite understand how people can be so horrified by the violence this sick young girl did to that cat, and yet at the same time want to inflict even more horrible violence upon her?

Don't you see that these feelings of hate that swirl inside of you, that you released onto this comment board, is of the same nature as the hate that caused this girl to do what she did?

Stop the hate. It is not accelerating our human condition one bit.

@ Gaggy

I was waiting to see how long it would take for some ass-hat like you to defend this low-life. Good job!

There should be an eye for an eye for this wrongful killing....Some of you my say "it's just a cat"...Well she is just a mammal. Bake her to near death, and let her heal----this is so painful.

This girl is clearly sick but sticking her in an oven too? You people are just as horrible and as cruel. Prison will do nothing for this girl. She needs intense therapy and treatment, she needs to be put in a place where she will not be able to harm another being. Maybe she will never be rehabilitated but nothing deserves to suffer like that poor cat did.

Yes, that's one sick puppy.

Put it down.

Why the fuck would someone kill a cat? Cats never did anything to us. I could understand a dog, or maybe a rabbit.

i didn't read every single post but let's look at the facts:

a 14 year old - society has decided that's not old enough to make decisions on your own - tortures and kills animals.

maybe this is just a child who has obvious emotional problems, and probably was abused.

i'm sure if it was a cute little white girl in north dakota people wouldn't be eager to give her the death penalty.

It is true, that wanting violence for violence doesn't accomplish anything. However, it seems like allowing criminals so many rights doesn't appear to have slowed down the rate of violence in America.

In comment to the person who said they would have pushed her off of the building in the picture that is shown of her. That person could say, when authorities showed up "Hey, it was just a joke!"

The majority of you on this board are just as sick and deranged as she is. I'd say you belong in a giant oven but then I would belong in that same oven for being a hypocrite.

what happened to her soul?

Thank you for saying that Brendan. As awful as this crime is, what this girl needs is someone to provide her guidance, love her, offer her forgiveness, and help her develop a healthy understanding of what is right and wrong.

Thank God no people were killed. Two years seems quite appropriate. I hope she gets good counseling and therapy and is able to make amends for her crime.

Let's not lose hope for people and become animals ourselves by calling for blood when stuff like this happens.

those are a couple crazy bitches.

1 in 3 should pick abortion.

They say animal cruelty is often one of the precursors to cruelty towards humans down the line (e.g. murderers and serial killers) so this doesn't bode well. Anyone that shows that sort of incapacity of feeling towards another living being should be locked up indefinitely.

Sick.

Some here show remorse for the cat, yet people continue to dine on Beef and Chicken. Where's the disconnect? Mammals are part of your family. Please make the connection that all living entities are part of your family. None deserve to be cooked at 500 degrees.

This girl is lucky that I was not outside that courtroom...I would have jumped her and curb stomped her fucking ass. I would knock every last tooth out that bitch's face.

Put her in an oven at 500 degrees and let her die the same way! Let's see how much cases of animal cruelty drop then. Killing an innocent defenseless animal deserves the same punishment in return especially if she's not remorseful. Hammurabi's code makes perfect sense.

I hope this little a$$hole gets shanked in prison. Lowlife scum such as this deserves a very bloody and violent death.

She's 17. Stop calling her a "little" girl.

Frankly, most of the comments on here are more frightening than what this young and very troubled child did...This country is full of scary people. May God be with us all.

Amazing. You know the first step for many murderers/killers is practicing heinous acts on animals. She has already robbed people...who know what she will do when she gets out of prison. I mean for Christ's sake its just a dumb cat leave it alone lol

The comments posted here are very interesting.
I know it's a very disturbing act that was performed. But think back into your earlier years. A lot of us knew kids who tortured animals. Frankly, even then I found it sick. I heard and saw some disturbing things even at a young age (9-12 years old). Particularly animal cruelty, even the kid with the magnifying glass on the ant hill is demonstrating the same values that this girl has. Believe me, it's nothing to do with race. Hopefully people will wake up and become more aware that these acts of animal cruelty are very prevalent, particularly with younger kids.

"Little girl?" REALLY? She's 17... within a year, she'll be considered an adult... what a HORRENDOUS and cruel, spiteful thing to do to someone (and to the cat)... how scary that young women (not "little girls," who are not usually teenagers...) are acting this way.

name: Cheyenne Cherry
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address: 903 82nd St, Brooklyn, NY 11228
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im sure she would love to hear from you

Cruelty is a terrible thing to happen to any animal! Cats or this sick chick! I hope the cat passed away quickly and suffered little.

Makes me sick and sad.

My God, people need to get over her killing the cat. I'm not defending her, but most of the people reading this article eat meat, wear leather, etc. Don't kid yourselves, in many cases the animals suffer way worse that the cat in question. The cat, prior to being baked, probably didn't have a bad life. The animals farmed for meat and/or skin (like lamb, cow, etc) are treated horribly their entire existence and often killed with much cruelty. Hypocrites.

someone should just shoot her.

I'll bet her momma didn't believe in spanking children. My step-children were some of the naughtiest kids I've ever met when I first met their mother. I spank them for most things they do wrong. I also take the time to explain why it was wrong and what they could have done right, as well as reward them for when they are doing good. These kids are now some of the best kids I have seen. They have various reactions to other children being naughty, ranging from anger to embarassment, depending on the situation.

I would bet that, even now, at her age, if someone would hold her down while another person spanked her until she reached a breaking point, she may not turn out too bad. Problem is, now that she's reached this point, said spanking could quite literally take hours, or days, and would likely need to be repeated often over the period of a few years. This kid needs a total mental rebuild. And I don't mean one of those pansy-assed "non-violent" mental rebuilds. Society is going down the hole because we are afraid of our own power to the point that we fail to use it. Society as a whole has to stop being scared of political correctness and do what is right to make us better. BAKING KITTIES IS NOT GOOD UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. Most especially not for revenge/vindictiveness. She needs to know that nobody will allow this.

Something tells me that she is going to get more than that spanking where she is going to be for the next two years. Problem is, it will be more of the same for her and will only teach her to be worse than she is. She needs the forcefullness of a spankin' so she can understand that society will not tolerate her behavior, but to have the spanking without the guidance turns the discipline into violence.

Can we put this soulless little bitch in an oven at 500?

someone who expresses no remorse for an action like this is what psychologists label a fucking sociopath. this is one of the most screwed up things ive heard of in a while...to be honest, i think she deserves MUCH more than two years for this

Jae206 said:

"THEY SHOULD PUT HER ASS IN THE OVEN AND BAKE HER ASS ..."

(nods) Exactly!

Terrible!!! At 17, the fault is hers, she knows right from wrong! Who is paying for this girl to live in an apartment with a roommate???? Taxpayers??? Does she work, bet not, is she on the system, betcha. So I am paying for her either way. When is our government going to stop doleing out cash to trash??? If she had to work she would have her own money and things without robbing and she would be too busy for trouble.Is she a single Mom, getting even more benefits??? Am I paying for her kids too??? Nasty, Nasty to inflict such vulgar harm to an innocent. I agree Steve!!!!"A fetus who should have been aborted", it would have been cheaper for my tax dollars too! Unfortunately she isn't going to get much time for this crime, and we'll be reading about her next horrific crime, uintil someone cooks her good.

god some people can misbehave. That girl has clearly educational and behavioural issues. It's not just locking her up which will sort the problem out.

I said :

"It is not accelerating our human condition one bit."

I meant to say elevating instead of accelerating.

Ian Warren said:

"Hopefully people will wake up and become more aware that these acts of animal cruelty are very prevalent"

I agree with you. I think, at the very least people should be aware of the fact that its probably more prevalent than they realize. Which for me raises the question:

Why is it as prevalent as it is?

How is it that these people (children and adults) come to rationalize to themselves acts of sadistic violence against other living creatures? What compels or motivates an individual to then actually put that rationale into action, as this young girl did.

Sure, she's not a child, not at 17. But she's almost certainly not an adult either. Even if she is legally an adult, and fully resonsible for her actions, is adult the most accurate term for the average person at that age? I wasn't at that age, although I take responsibility for my actions before and since then, I wasn't mature or responsible enough to rightly be considered an adult; if you really want to pick at the term used. Young adult is probably the best term, but I think focus on that misses the point. So it's along those lines that I use the term girl vs. woman.

moddevreything said:

"im sure she would love to hear from you"

Based on her reaction to the protestor, I somehow doubt it. :)

Hopefully though this page will stay up for some time. Then maybe at some point in her life, she will wish to examine more thoroughly why SHE did what she did. Perhaps then this page, or others like it, will provide some insight that will be of help to her.

Until then, I think the best one could hope for is that she is aware that this page (or others like it) exists.

seriously said:

"she=psycho"

A lot of people have either said as much, or at least aluded to this. I think it's a pretty bold statement. Best estimates are that psychopaths currently represent somewhere around 4-6% of the total human population.
Based on that alone, it seems unlikely that she would be one. I think its definitely possible, but to accurately determine this I think involves the in-depth knowledge and training of pyschologist and lots of "exposure" to that individual.
The word psychopath is not something that should be casually tossed around. This is more than 6% of the population that is "screwed up" in some way, including violent and sadistic offenders.

"there isnt a word or phrase thats strong enough to describe her..."

I would argue there is. There are lot's of people who have done much more terrible things than what she did. Have you studied history very much? This is why we have words like sociopath and psychopath, among others.
This ties-in to my point above, when we let these terms be watered down, they lose some of their meaning and thus no longer adequately convey to people the true horror of what a word like sociopath and psychopath represent. A sociopath is a very strong charge, with psychopath being the strongest in my opion.

There is currently 121 comments (excluding this one). I counted 26 that openly and blatanly advocated violence against this girl in retaliation for the violence she committed against that poor creature. In the remaining 95 comments are a lot that either allude to, suggest, or question the use of violence against her.

I would guess that at least half of the comments on this page are themselves expressive of a violent nature.

That bald weave wig wearing toothless flat nose ugly clown looking freak needs to join a circus. Maybe she can marry the bearded lady or the 900 pound man. Freaks like that need to be around other freaks or in jail.

Left because they didn't want to hear the cats scratches and cries, pathetic not even a real sociopath.

Wow, I am shocked by what this young woman did but I am more shocked by these comments. You reserve these feelings for child molesters, racist scum bags, murderers, etc. This girl killed a cat and it was wrong but we can not be so fast to run off and want her baked. Some murderers get out of jail and I don't see people running off to kill them 25 years later. Let's hope the justice system actually attempts to address her mentally and emotionally instead of having her sit in a cell for two years straight.

The comments on this site are becoming too disturbing. I can deal with a racist comment or two because ignorance does exist. However, if people actually believe in their violent remarks there really no better than her.

Gaggy & Seth,

I'm glad to see that you will be spending your Christmas posting the N & F words all over the internet and fantasizing about hillbillies having sex with sheep. But not all people who have sex with animals are white hillbillies. You should look up the story of Rodell Vereen in Columbia SC. The stupidest part of this story is that the horse owner thought there was more than one person having sex with their 21 year old horse. What does this horse have going for it? I'm not even sure why this is a crime (as long as he agrees not have sex with people anymore) It's very sad. I don't think people should be put in jail for this. As far as this girl, this is very sad, she is not even an adult yet. Everyone in this girl's life screwed up, parents, relatives, teachers, friends. No baby is born with that kind of violence and hate in them.

Just to clarify,

I do not think that guy should actually have to go to jail for having sex with a horse, because, really, does the horse even care?

But I do think this girl needs to go to jail for baking the cat. That is violent, she is a danger at this time.

Joe,
You need to do some reading about spanking. You are doing way more damage than good. You are coercing your desired behavior through fear and physical pain. Spanking's been abandoned as a discipline technique since the 70's or 80's. Violence is learned, that's what this girl learned. There are more appropriate ways of discipline (after a certain age, ei., if a kid is 2, yes, you are going to have to spank every now and then b/c they don't understand talking so much, but after 2, reasoning and withholding privileges are always more effective.)

What amazes me is that despite the fact that this girl is obviously a deviant and needs serious help, some people are so moved hurt or even "kill" another human for the sake of an animal. Who really is the sociopath? Where's the uproar for those people who take guns and shoot animals for sport. Hipocrites abound! I do not have nor do I want pets, but I also would never seek to hurt any animal. There's no doubt in my mind that some of these animal fanatics would have no problem stepping over a homeless person in the street. I've even seen in the same location right next to each other a drive four school clothes for under privileged 4 and 5 year olds and a drive for food and toys for animals. Disgusting as it was hands down the containers for the animals were overflowing, while the containers for the kids were not even half way full. Come on people, let's get it together.

Her head looks like Stewie Griffins.

After reading these posts,wow. You guys are finally coming out of the closet, woodwork, whatever. Don't be shy, tell us how you really feel. All this talk about killing, aborting, caging humans, probably most of you consider yourselves christians. Some things never change. Scary.

Anaiah,
You are so right. These crazy animal fanatics are ignorant. We are the only species that senselessly kills and tortures our own kind. They act like baby seals and whales have a right to roam the world free and that humans are like a plague on nature. They are so stupid they cannot see that since the beginning of time, scientifically and biblically humans and animals share a symbiotic relationship. They provide us with labor and food and we keep them from freezing and starving to death. We have a responsibility to our environment not inflict pain on any creature that can feel pain (so step on all the bugs you want, they don't have nerve endings.) but our first responsibility is to humans. Animals just don't have as many brain components as humans, they will never feel remorse, anger, dissappointment, sadness. They only feel fear and instincts. Every creature that is here has a right to exist or it wouldn't be here in the first place, even humans!

Amen Jane Wilder!

The worst thing, if you read the top, is that she was already arrested for armed robbery (the i-pod) they didn't say that was a BB gun. What's she even doing not in jail? Armed robbery at 16, that's freakin' serious and much more dangerous than cat cooking (even though that's as vile of an act I can imagine) She's got 2 counts of armed robbery (BB gun or real) and she's loose on the streets? Somebody didn't do their job at all.

Well i want to see how she would feel if we through her in an oven ( no joke this is what world is coming to )

This girl and her parents should be sterilized!!!

For all you dumb fucks who say 'why not worry about what she inflicted on humans, not animals' you are dumb as shit. And very cruel. What is funny or ok about putting an animal in the oven (and no, it didnt suffer a quick death, it burned to death you fucking idiot, slowly losing air and shit). And Chris - no she wouldn't beat my ass. What because she is black? That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. I would knock the shit out of her toothless mouth. I have been praying to God that she will suffer. Its all a catch 22 with christians. You want to say 'She is God's child, too. She needs to be corrected and protected' NO! She needs to be punished severely and horribly. GOD gives second chances and forgives but HUMANS DO NOT NEED TO!! Correctional facilities should be obsolete. For non violent thieves, robbers, and those involved with drugs should be allowed to be rehabilitated because they can be helped. People who harm animals, molest or kill or abuse children, rapists, murderers, and the like should be put in a true prison, not correctional facility, where they are all unleashed among each other. They are to have no contact with the outside world and be treated cruel and unusually. That is a just world. I would beat her ass and her stupid crack head mama's ass. One of my punches to her fuckin solar plex would put that bitch out for days. Trust me on that.

To all of you who say bullshit about caring for animals....if you believe in GOD and are claiming to be Christian, then know that He put animals here for us to take care of, not abuse or mangle. You are an idiot if you think God won't punish you for hurting something 'as meaningless as an animal' as you would say. Animals are purely innocent and instinctual. They don't expect people to put them in ovens or beat them, burn them, hurt them. They don't know better. They are EXACTLY LIKE small children, in that they look to us for protection without even realizing it. Animals and small children cannot protect themselves. I am an animal lover and protector and I do take care of animals more than I do children because first off, I don't have children. I have 5 nieces and nephews who mean more than anything to me. I do have a cat and a dog. When my neighbors go out of town I take care of their 6 dogs and 2 gerbils. I care for my parents cats when they are out of town. I feed them, bathe them, give them water, walk them, and play with them, and love on them. They are God's innocent creatures. Go ahead, I know this will really make your blood curdle to those who have different beliefs than me. But that is only because you know I am right and you hate yourself so much that you want to lash out at the people with sense in this world. I pray God will bring his wrath down upon those who harm animals and children. Someone else here can worry about the 'robbery and the pain inflicted on others (speaking of teens and up, I am sure)' because that is not as important to me as what she did to the cat. She intentionally caused the worst kind of pain to another of God's creatures. And she thought it was funny. People like that are sick and need to be taken off this earth. You are stupid if you think all christians and believers feel like 'I pray that all of us repent and go with God together' because we are NOT all His children. In truth, I pray God will bring his wrath to those who merit it each day. I pray they will suffer and THEN realize what they have done and THEN maybe ask for forgiveness and if they don't, let them bitches burn in hell. What the fuck is emo anyway? Thought it was a goth look...

Lay off the caffeine!

Of course people should be kind to animals, just like if we were animals, we would want kind, painless treatment. But a cat is STILL NOT A PERSON. If a bear attacks and kills a person, do they give him an attorney? All your rampage about unleashing violent offenders is disturbing. These people are like this because their parents beat and abused them. No one is born evil. And yes, we ARE ALL GOD's children. He created everything in the universe including satan himself, because satan is Lucifer, a fallen angel, originally created by GOD. But GOD rules existence itself, people rule the world. And we're not doing a very good job of it.

We all missed something here. Actually, this girl was not the actual person who put the cat in the oven. It was the 14 year old with her. This makes it even worse and the 14 year old only got 18 mos. in juvenile. The 14 year old is actually sicker than this girl.

I feel like you let God down when you care less about one creature more than the other. Our society leads us to beleive that since animals are lower than us, they do not count when someone deliberately hurts or kills them. It even seems PETA is more concerned with animal owners who have too many animals and cannot properly care for them more than they do when someone deliberately abuses an animal. I want to create my own animal rights group. All I can do really is pray to God and go home to my babies, who are safe and protected, and thank God for that. I know God understands what I am trying to do and say, though my anger really tears through my words, and he will help me get to peace. And no, we are not all God's children. True, he made us, but we all have free will. And there will be people who will burn in hell. So those who burn in hell chose not to be God's children.

she's a nazi, bake her in her own oven... film it, everyone should be able to see what it's like for her, what it was like for that little kitty

gonzo,

We have to bake the 14 year old first. She's the one who put the cat in oven, not Cherry. The 14 year old will probably fit in the oven better anyhow.

This is just a horrible story. I don't care what kind of animal she put in the oven - she should get the death penalty for this. Absolutely horrible... just un-believable. No excuse.

Hey "Flip Wilson" -- since you used the word "ass-hat," it's clear you are a 12-year-old up way past his bedtime. Maybe if you were a little older, you would score higher on reading comprehension. Just because I condemned the racism on this board -- that in no way means i was defending this girl. She's a scumbag, and I hope she has a hard 2-years. But that doesn't give learning-challenged oafs like you an excuse to get online and vent your moronic, regressive, racist rants on the rest of us. Take it on Jerry Springer, where the rest of you poor white trash go to vent.

yo what's up with all the hate crimes. why can't we just leave each other alone?

Gaggy,

I agree with you, but I highly doubt a 12yr old would even know who Flip is!

Now lets see who uses the name Benny Hill!

Yes we make bad choices. Yes we'll have whats coming to us. Seeking to quench your thirst for revenge will not bring you as much happiness as finding peace for yourself in this world. We are condemned to head towards the end whether or not we condemn each other. If you care about your own safety in this world then it would make sense to have sympathy and show pity for others since your own safety should always be put in question.

I can't say I'm an advocate of unnecessary animal cruelty, but I am disgusted by the way people react. We're talking about animals here. It's not like she put a 3 year old toddler in there or something of the sort.

I know you all find your little favorite pet species endearing and what not because you've grown up with them, but the simple fact of the matter is that they are significantly lower life forms, ie food, and the value you find in them is both excessive and artificial.

Again, I'm not saying that putting the cat in the over was the right thing to do, but have you seen what happens when a cat catches an animal? If you judge value of a life form by how cute it is then simply owning a cat is cruel because of the dozens/hundreds of "cute" rodents and birds that they will torture. The whole line of logic that favours animals so despite the facts of nature is repugnant. All this girl is guilty of is not being able to suppress her instincts. Which ironically made her act more animal than humane.

Saying that she should get the death sentence for killing a cat or similar is beyond barbaric. Whoever puts primative animals before humans really needs to be examined by a psycholigist and perhaps sectioned. I really have to wonder if many of the people posting comments on here are any better than the guilty girl herself.

In short, stop being a bunch of emotional-cat-snogging faggots*.

Secondly, God has nothing to do with this, God clearly doesn't even exist and if you were even partially educated or sane you would realise that most religious texts are a load of fictional amoral BS with the only miracle ever to be confirmed is that anyone still believes that mindless children's drivel.

Thirdly, a good portion of you are complete, unrestrained racists.

It's amazing how many critically flawed people are deluded into believing they have a right to comment on another person's flaws.

*: I am not homophobic, it's just an expression. I am not religious but still say "Christ on a Bycicle" or "Holy Shit" to express shock.

Dismayed said:

"In short, stop being a bunch of emotional-cat-snogging faggots*."

Dismayed,

If you are not homophobic quit acting like you are and choose a better set of words. "Faggot" is VERY offensive to some people!

This girl is just not right. She should be made to peddle animal snuggies door to door and donate the earnings to cat killers anonymous.

unbelievably creul. hope the cat would reincarnate and come back and put her in the oven to bake. She won't get away from this. The reaction in coming.

We should stick her stupid ass in an oven. Does the world REALLY need one more sociopath? Let's get this one while it's fresh.

You all need to get the story straight. The girl in the picture did not put the cat in the oven, her 14 year old friend did. What I have a problem with is Cheyenne not being a good role model for the 14 year old. If you have beef with someone, make time to talk face to face with that person. A good thing is, they're both being reprimanded. Cheyenne needs professional counseling, someone that can dig deep and find out what's going on with her. Save the racist comments because it doesn't solve anything, it only shows how shallow you are!

This girl obviously needs to be put in the oven herself, hahaha.

I'm all for an eye-for-an-eye. Throw her in an oven.

Ugh, nasty little cunt.
I'm not all 'animals have more rights than humans SAVE TEH ANIMALZZZ' But that's just fucking cruel

Texasyella,
I just love the way all of these smart people read and responed to these stores. Like they know what they are talking about. The 14 year old friend put the cat in the oven and turned it up to 500. As rotten as Cheyenne Cherry is, she did not put the cat in the oven. Goog for you Texasyella.

@Gaggy

Listen, lets call a spade a spade, only a dirty rotten piece of nigger shit would do something like that and then laugh about it. And before you think im a racist, keep in mind that im married to a very intelligent well-educated, well-spoken African American woman, who by no means falls into the aforementioned category. The category im referring to is the Aunt-Jemima/ entitled/medicaid welfare receiving, Obama-worshiping, pickled-pig's feet eating, 26" rim having, wide-nose tribal porch monkeys who have no respect for other living beings....in a word, NIGGERS.

As far as the animal lovers go, it really is a red-herring argument to equate baking a cat to eating a hamburger. Cows/livestock are dumb, feral, almost mindless creatures who are slaughtered humanely and die instantaneously for our nourishment according to strict FDA and USDA guidlines. Animals like cats and dogs have inherent personalities, experience emotions, love us, and provide us companionship and should be treated as such, not tortured and slowly baked in an oven.

@Dismayed
Although you clearly bring a word of intelligence to this gaggle of Jerry Springer rejects, i feel sorry that you dont realize that God exists. He is an awesome and almighty Creator who often gets misrepresented by idiots and snaggled-toothed rednecks. Yes he allows us free-will which is why things like "cat-bakings" occur.

Furthermore, there are many good points to be made on both sides of the "nature vs nurture" argument in this situation, but as a whole, it's the tribal ethnic black culture as a whole that needs to be curbed. Someone brought up a point about how if it was a white girl in North Dakota that committed this crime, she wouldn't face nearly as much violent sentiment/retaliation. Let me respond to that by saying that A) you'll never hear of a white girl in North Dakota ever doing that and B) if you did hear about it, it would shock everyone so much because of how out of place it was that there must certainly be something pyschologically damaged with the girl. With this particular story with Cheyenne, its almost par for the course. She isnt't psychologically damaged, she just wilds out for the sake of wildin' out. There isn't really a whole lot of shock, just disgust. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason, and a culture or particular group of people must evolve to escape a stigma. Case in point: Hurricane Katrina wipes out New Orleans and all the fat black Aunt Jemimas scream and wail for the gub'ment and FEMA to come save them even as they do nothing for themselves. Billions and Billions of taxpayer dollars are wasted buying them government housing and big screen tv's. 3 years later massive flooding sweeps through some of the midnorth plains states like Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, etc (**where white people live**) causing nearly 10 times the scope of damage as hurricane Katrina and half a trillion (with a T) in reparation costs, yet.....where was FEMA? Where was the arial news camera photography showing people stranded? Where was the government aid? Where was Mayor Ray Nigger saying how they wanted to restore a "chocolate" community? The answer is no where because intelligent, prepared, hard working, self-sufficient white people banded together as friends, families, and neighbors, and rebuilt from the ground up using their own blood sweat and tears.

So yes, maybe this one girl had a terrible lot in life, but it doesnt excuse her, it doesnt excuse her culture. A human conscience is intrinsic, and with the opportunity in America and a determined human spirit, anyone can make it out, anyone can choose positive over negative, anyone can choose not to be a nigger or a faggot or a parasite or an ass-hat, and choose to make something of themselves.
People make choices, this girl should be punished for hers.

@JaneWilder

You madam, are a simpleton and an idiot. Spanking is not violence and did not fade with '80's, nor should it. Her lack of being spanked is EXACTLY why she behaves the way she does, no one loved her enough to teach her right from wrong and that actions have consequences. Notice I didnt say "beat" or "whipped". You should never punish a child in anger. You spank them on the behind which has no lasting physical effects, but has a profound mental one. Then explain to the child why you spanked them, what they did wrong and that you love them and want them to succeed as an individual by having a strong moral code. It's people like you that vote for Obama, take prayer out of schools, will bitch and moan about animal rights but wont bat an eye when humans die under the farce of a woman's "right to choose" to murder her unborn baby.

Jane wilder,

Maybe she just wasn't loved enough.

Please. As someone who has been beaten (at 2 years and 6 years old) and someone who has been spanked, I can tell you there is a BIG difference. I got spanked because I had done something bad and deserved it. I got beat because well, my only guess is because my biological father is crazy. And I can count on one hand how many times my mom and step-dad spanked me, but it was effective. When I got the "look" I stopped doing what I was doing because I knew if I didn't I was gonna get spanked.

But please, you seem to be an expert so what should we do? Talk to them? Take their stuff away? I have done all that with my daughter, and it NEVER works. But when she gets spanked, she doesn't do it again. And, the "look" is also startin to work on her. She behaves better and gets less spankings, not that she gets a lot to begin with.

And spankings went away in the 70's and 80's? Is it just me or has that been when kids have gotten worse? I'm 25 and I cannot believe how some people my age and younger act. They have no regards for others and no respect for others either. To me, its lack of punishment that is a major factor in bad kids today.

As I have said before, Jane Wilder, you can love and punish your kids. Just because I spank my daughter, doesn't mean I don't love her.

She will be dead in three years and good riddance to a waste of oxygen

I would like to chain her up and cut off all her whole fingernails, pour a tablespoon of salt on each empty wound, and then put her in a chinese water torture cell until she dies of starvation.

Colonel Sanders,

You are the exact kind of mental midget that keeps society in the dark ages. You don't believe in abortion, yet you probably believe in the death penalty. We kill people to show them killing is wrong. That make a lot of sense. (You are obviously a conservative republican and that illogical condition will soon be in the DSM IV and I'm sure there will be pill for it.) Pick one, either you're against death or you're for it. Can't be both ways. That means your insane.

Marie heck,
That is all the answer I need to understand, you are 25, I am 42.

Jane Wilder,

And? My mom is 42. She also raised 3 kids who she spanked, and none of us have criminal records. So are you saying she is a bad mom? Cause I'm actually really happy I had a mom like her instead of one like you. Your a parent. Your job is to parent your children.

As I have said before and I will say it til the day I die, you can love AND punish your kids. My mom taught me that, and she did a damn fine job at it too.

It's disturbing that you are so bent on defending your right to spank your kids to the point of calling a total stranger a bad mom. It's hysterically funny. No matter what you say, once a child reaches the age of being able to talk and reason, spanking is no longer needed and it's proven to be ineffective. If it works so great, why do you have to keep doing it? Why do you think they call it "assault" when adults do it to each other? I don't care if you spank your kids or what you think. It's a silly thing. As far as the withholding of privileges, that takes time and patience, it probably wouldn't work for you.

Colonel Sanders,
If you so disagree with abortion as to call it "murder", there is a new fund which is being started by anti-abortionists. It's called, "Children Saved" they take donations for children who's mother's they were able to talk out of having an abortion at the clinic. The donations are about $2350/month ($1500 for rent, utilities, $600 for food and formula, $200 for medical insurance and $50 for college savings.) You in? I guess you can feel free to say whatever you think about it since you will never be a teen-age girl in that situation. (Because obviously "madam, you are a simpleton and an idiot"... what are you, 300, 400 years old?)

Jane Wilder,

Where in my post did I say you were a bad mom? I said I'm happy I had my mom and not you. You made it seem that since you were 42 and I'm 25 that you somehow were more evolved in parenting. But since you and my mom are the same age, I don't see how that is. Unless your sayin my mom was a bad mom, then your just being a hyprocrite.

And where have I stated I spank my daughter all day every day? I said when she gets into trouble and everything else hasn't worked she maybe gets spanked. Sometimes all other forms of punishments, like taking things away, not lettin her do things, or going to the corner, do work. But when they don't, she has gotten spanked. And as far as withholding privileges, I have done it since she was 2 (which you say is the time to stop spankings)and she is 4 almost 5. It doesn't work, she doesn't care. So yea I'd say I have the patience to do it.

If anyone is callin anyone a bad mom, it seems to be you. You can think I'm "silly" all you want, but the way I was raised worked great for me, so why change it for my daughter.

Why are there so fucking many racist on here haven't you got a rally to get ready for go on fuck off and iron your white hood sad fucks

Why are there so fucking many racist on here haven't you got a rally to get ready for go on fuck off and iron your white hood sad fucks

I see someone is black...

@Jane Wilder

Yes Jane, you are absolutely right, im 300 years old. And im also insane.....hmmmm......let's review your rationale... im insane because i "dont believe in abortion, yet i believe in the death penalty"? That is truly a RED HERRING of an argument if ive ever seen one. Let me clarify it for your "midget" hippy liberal brain to understand: I am for the execution of child molesters and serial murderers who have earned said punishment, i am not for the senseless homicide of innocent defenseless babies, but im sure you probably voted the other way around ;)

U insult me by calling me a Republican, I don't subscribe to partisanship simply because they are all the same group of people. Voting for Democrats or Republicans is choosing one of two baseball teams who play in the same ballpark. They all have the same hidden new world order agenda, George Bush, John Kerry, and Obama are all distant cousins who are all members of the same skull and bones organizations, but you are probably too blind to see that as well. If i was forced to pick a party, i would have to somewhat agree with the Libertarian party which is another way of saying "Constitutionalist". You know, those certain unalienable rights, the ones your beloved democrats wish to strip from us, of those the right to LIFE, liberty (1st and 2nd amendment amen), and the pursuit of happiness.

It's ironic that u mention the DSM IV, because i just so happen to be a family doctor, and the only pill they need to create is one that gets rid of people that lack common sense or morals, one that gets rid of bleeding heart liberals who want to save the "dregs of society" like this niglet, and one that insures the survival of the fittest, the most intelligent, the most resourceful, the people that have something to contribute to society. But not to worry, when our current form of government collapses in on itself within the next few years, there are going to be two groups of people. People like me, with food, water, and ammunition, and people like "Jane Wilder", who will be left wondering why Obama and Hillary and social services/welfare arent there to save her.

And yes, you owe to your children discipline them, it keeps them from baking cats in the oven...

Colonel Sanders,
Since you have admitted to being 300 years old, I will make this brief. I do agree with your comment about parties. There really isn't one when you get INTO the government. I was talking about the beliefs exhibited by voters. And yes, MD's are notorious for being really book smart and having no common sense. That fact that you actually think the government will collapse shows extreme paranoia, especially if you actually acted on that, by stocking up guns and ammo. You may think that you can play GOD but there is no such person. Believing that someone has EARNED a punishment is ridiculous. Child molesters in particular. Do you actually think that someone would CHOOSE to act this way? Parents and society create these people. They are not born this way. Why would we want to force parenting on unwilling, unable people to create more of this? So people like you can take out your misplaced aggression on them to personify whatever you feel is evil? To continuously try to categorize people into good and bad, to give more life to your black and white thinking? As far as legal abortion. You know very well that this is a collection of cells at this point. It is absolutely not a real baby. I have a real baby and I don't spank her. I don't need to. She would never bake a kitty. Her main concern this school year was to make sure to save up a lot of pennies for pennies for patients. I explain things to her about how she would want to be treated and to treat others the same way. It's very simple, the Golden Rule. There is another way.

And Marie heck,
I take back my comments to you about spanking. I was seriously under the impression that you or your mother continued spanking over the age of 6 or so.) At that point, it's really useless. Your kids are too little. It takes more years of modeling and working with them until they are older. (If they are only 4, yes they may not completely respond to those things.)

@Jane Wilder

--sigh-- Jane, obviously you are an intelligent person, and for that I appreciate the dialogue, if only to reaffirm my own beliefs, but we'll never be able to do anything other than agree to disagree. You are a fatalist, whereas i believe we have have free will and control of our own destiny. You are the yin to my yang, and proof that there is indeed balance in the universe. I don't resent that, but I do still feel the need to address your counterarguments with more counterarguments.

The government will collapse, that's not an opinion, that's not paranoia, it's already started to happen, the U.S. banking system is locking up in not so slow motion.

I do NOT think I can play God, quite the opposite, that's why I don't perform abortions at my practice.

And you have indeed lost it if you think that people do not earn their punishment. That's ridiculous and absurd. Believe me when I say that I understand the whole "Nature vs Nurture" argument and that people's environments influence their upbringing but that does NOT, repeat does NOT negate personal responsibility or act as a scapegoat for people's actions. Once again you misread me as a "black and white" viewer of persons. I as a doctor believe more than anyone that there are no absolutes. There is ALWAYS a gray area. But let me be blunt, molesting children is evil, murdering people is evil, that's not me being judgmental or personifying, it's an obvious truth. That's the real fundamental difference between our beliefs, Jane, u wish to blame society and point fingers as opposed to taking responsibility for your own actions. If you set the building on fire, you're guilty of arson, if you rape somebody, it's not because your daddy didn't love you enough. People do choose to kill, they choose to molest children, they choose to commit crimes. And it's not just people with "damaged" childhoods that commit these unspeakable acts, there are plenty non-sociopathic people with a "normal" upbringing who have chosen a path of evil.

As far as "legal" abortion, it's still an abomination. That fertilized egg, that zygote that you refer to as "just cells" are the beginnings of a human being, it has a soul, at 3 weeks it has a heartbeat, at 6 weeks it has brainwaves.

So yes, let's abort babies because the teen girl is "scared." Because we definitely wouldn't want her to ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for her actions. We definitely wouldn't want her to have to atone for not keeping her legs closed. We wouldn't want her to FACE THE CONSEQUENCES of her actions. No, no that wouldn't teach her anything, so let's give her the easy way out. Give me a break, honestly, give me a frickin break.

As for your daughter, if she is a little angel, then you are one of the lucky ones....some parents arent that lucky and need stronger measures of reinforcement, which are necessary so that they learn right from wrong, and dont blame society for their problems

Oh, and to make my point just a little bit more real, lets delve into the hypothetical for just a moment...

Let's say one of those child molesters who aren't responsible for their actions came along and sexually abused your precious young daughter. I doubt you would still feel so abstractly about who was to blame. I doubt you would write off a predator who permanently damaged and scarred your child as mere product of the system. In fact, im sure you would want vengeance and justice.

Colonel Sanders,

I agree with everything you have said so far, just maybe not with the racist sounding names. Especaily on abortion. Thank you for not doing them. We need more people like you.

It disgusts me when people say abortion is ok because the baby is nothing, but late term abortions really make me want to puke. My cousin was pregnant with twin girls when she lost them at 5 months into her pregnancy. While I'm not entirely sure of what all happened I do know the placenta ruptured and they couldn't save the babies. My older sister and I were also pregnant at the time and while it was heart breaking, and actually terrifying, to go to the funeral, we needed to be there for our cousin. Those precious babies looked like little angels. So no one can sit there and tell me, no matter how far along the woman is, that they are nothing. Cristal and Caitlin were very much so humans. And to think a person could actually go that far along into their pregnancy only to be selfish and end a babies life, its just disgusting. Even if there was a chance I could die, I still wouldn't have an abortion.

Jane Wilder,

Had you asked instead of making assumptions, it would have been better. When you assume something you make an ass out of you and me, as the saying goes. And since you have apologised to me, I will do the same. I'm sorry I called you a moron. I don't think that you are, just really passionant about what you believe in, and I can appreciate that even if I don't agree with you.

Colonel Sanders that's great that you are a doctor, I agreed with everything you said up to the point of abortion. You of all people should not judge a womans personal choice as to carring out her pregnancy or not. What she does is between her and her God, not God you, and her. There are so many unwanted children that end up homeless because no one adopted them. Throw away children, horribly abused children, children giving birth out of incest and rape. Your job is to treat not to judge.

If anyone cares this rotten brat got 1 year in prison for her crime. What is she going to learn from 1 year. Look at all the other crimes she has commited. Why not make her work in a slaughter house for a year, I bet she won't burn anymore kittens.

Colonel Sanders,
I don't see any areas of gray in your thinking. Yes, I do blame parents and society for creating and/or not fixing child molesters and violent criminals. They are not in control of their behaviors for some reason, probably each is somewhat different. I do not blame society for my own bad behavior because I am not a person who is not usually in control of my behavior. When I so something bad, I feel bad about it. I have an inner control that allows me to make the right decisions (plus I am a woman so I don't have those types of urges) and put the welfare of others and myself above my own wishes. A teenage girl who got pregnant is a million miles away from being me. Thus the gray area. It takes two people to do that anyhow. Forcing her to have a baby at that age is just breeding more pain and mistakes down the line for how she will treat this child she doesn't want. We really need to fix the people who are here already who are suffering and will cause suffering on others before adding more screwed up people to the mess. As for my daughter, if that were to happen, I would more likely be able to put the blame where it belongs, on the fact that many of these people who do this are already known and they are not monitored enough. Look at the guy who had that Dugger girl. He was a sex offender on probation with the probation officer coming to his house and he had her there for 20 years right under there noses. Now, seriously, who is the responsible party in that? This guy they already know is screwed up or the people who are supposed to be monitoring him? (Of course, I say them, you will say him.)

Sandy,
I couldn't agree more with you. It's obvious that all this is doing to give this girl what she wants for this, attention. A year in juvenile will do nothing but make her worse. She's got 2 felonies and 2 misdemeanors and should be given 5 years probation under which she has to do community service at an animal rescue and see just what horrific conditions these animals are in and that would have some chance of opening her eyes to the relationship of her actions and the true suffering of another creature. That might make her think twice about doing something in the future.

As far as abortion goes, I think every FEMALE is allowed to have their own opinion about this. But it doesn't apply to any males anywhere - this issue is BLACK and WHITE, no gray at all. Males of any age will not ever be in that situation and therefore, realistically, have no real opinion about it. I think men have pretty much proved their track record of how interested they are in being responsible for the children they create, with all the deadbeat dads and 50% of children in the US living in single-mom households. It is baffling to me to see these older men outside of abortion clinics with picket signs. They don't have clue one. That means women should be allowed to stand outside of hospitals with picket signs, stating "Stop Prostate Cancer Treatment, they can just have them cut off." Wouldn't you think I was a bit crazy as a woman to be spending my time investing in getting my opinion about something that doesn't concern me heard? That's what I think of men with opinions on abortion.

Colonel Sanders,
Also, since you were polite enough to give me credit for being intelligent, I will do the same for you, I realize that we have profound differences but it's good that not everyone thinks alike. That would be bad. As far as violent criminals go, yes there are people who are not able to be in society and should be locked away because they are so deranged. However, the others, should be given mandatory therapy in jail instead of executing them just for the purpose of finding out why they do these things to prevent more innocent people and especially children from being harmed. The question is "what is it that allows them to justify such a horrendous crossing of another being's barrier's (in this case the cat) for their own purposes. The answer will only be found one place, inside of the people who do this stuff, never in a nebulous enigma such as "evil" Evil is an adjective, not a filing cabinet. The more I think of it, the more I agree with you, I hope the government does collapse because they do nothing to protect us from these people or to stop creating more with poverty and child abuse. George Bush and his brother are probably the most prolific serial killers in the history of the world after Hitler.

They should be picking these people's brains 24/7 in jail finding out what causes these behaviors and telling everyone for future reference so these dangers can be eradicated.

Eye for an eye, eh? Maybe we should just teach her to have better language and better action. That more individual parties would be sympathetic to her, and better parties could mean no fighting, no clowning, etc. It could be more relaxing and more enjoyable than our punitive justice system could ever hope to be.

Two said:

Why are there so fucking many racist on here haven't you got a rally to get ready for go on fuck off and iron your white hood sad fucks

I see someone is black...

NO tWAT I mean Two I'm not black just feel ashamed for fucking stuipd RACISTS and there seem to be lots on here who make comments it should have nothing to do what race you are if you bad you bad and if your a good person your a good person

Colonel Sanders,
You seem to be an articulate and intelligent chap, however that whole rant about n****s really wasn't needed. I'm sure you could have found some other way of putting it. You're married to a "well-spoken African American woman" I would think that you'd be a little more understanding that the term itself wasn't appropriate.
P.S.
the whole N***S rant, but I have 1 black friend certainly isn't a pass to the non-racist club.

As for all the "let's kill the girl" fans.... get a life. she should certainly pay for what she was involved in, however as a few people mstated.... I'm sure burning her in an oven is the answer.

and for the "Animals are people fan club" ... ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!? stop dressing those animals like people and understand, they are not PEOPLE!!! if you still feel we are the same, why not get on all fours and run around the track.

bottom line... the girl was wrong, and those who advocate cruel punishment are wrong... actions often take place after thoughts.

@Bam

Bam, you have it all backwards. It should no longer be a "personal choice" to "carry out a pregnancy." The personal choice was ALREADY made when she had sex. The baby is the result of that choice. You abstractly say things like "carry out a pregnancy" when in truth it is carrying a human life until it's ready to be born. This goes to Jane Wilder as well when I say I do believe in a gray area because there are rare instances when the "choice" factor doesn't apply: if there is a rape-related pregnancy or if it's to save the mother's life. Those are both gray areas where the woman's hand is forced and she wasn't given a choice. But when a woman knowingly and willingly has sex and gets pregnant as a result, that's the choice and there is no justifying the homicide of the unborn child. In my youth and college years i might have sided more with the "choice" argument, but in my years as a physician, Ive watched the beautiful inception of life far too many times to know that its so much more than "just cells" or just a "fetus". It's a life, its a human being. To bring in a "Ends justifies the means" argument by saying the child will end up homeless or unwanted just doesn't cut it. That's hypothetical. At least he or she has a chance, this is America, anyone can make it. My Dad was a throw-away kid, didnt have a dime to his name or food to eat as kid growing up in the ghetto's of the Dallas/Fort Worth area, but he was determined to make it out after watching his two older brothers and one older sister get strung out on drugs and gangs. So he made straight A's in high school, graduated valedictorian, got an appointment to the Air Force Academy, and became a fighter pilot, flying the F-4, the F-16, and eventually the F-117A Stealth fighter. He traveled 45 different countries and retired at the rank of Lt. Colonel. So you see, the "what if" argument is silly and has no merit. Why don't we round up and execute all the homeless people now? Nobody wants them...oh wait, that would be inhumane.

@Jane Wilder
Once again I must say that I enjoy our debate at such an intellectual level, but I have to scream at you for being the QUEEN OF RED HERRING ARGUMENTS! Lol did you really compare an unborn child to a prostate cancer? hahahaha omg wow. That is the epitome of a red herring if ever ive heard one and it injures my soul that someone could ever paint it in such a light. An unborn child is NOT a cancer, it's not a parasite, it's a human being. It is NOT an equal setting for a woman to have a child removed as compared to someone having prostate cancer treated. After doing clinicals in both an oncology ward and a pregnancy/neo-natal unit during my my senior rounds, let me assure you there is a difference. I do have to agree with you on one point, the dead-beat dad problem is a huge issue in America, it does take two to create a child and my heart goes out to single mothers. My younger sister had a child when she was 20, and the father was a completely worthless piece of crap.

Also, you seem to think that we have duty to "eradicate dangerous behaviors." That in itself is very very dangerous thinking. Watch the movie "Equilibrium" (with Christian Bale) as a reference.
Don't get me wrong, im not against therapy, and i do believe in treatment. But you cannot "eradicate" human behaviors. See Jane, what you are doing is something called 'personifying'. I know you know what that means but let me expand upon that. You are projecting your logic, reasoning, and way of thinking on a serial killer or child molester by asking the question "why?"...."let's pick their brains 24/7 and find out why?" Why do they act a certain way? Why would they do that? What can we do to change that? etc...
But you are assuming something Jane, you are assuming there is a reason "why", when in reality there may not be. You have to know that when you truly delve deep into the human psyche. Let me give you a further example: Let's say you are walking down the street in a crowd of normal middle class people in broad daylight, you don't assume and fear that one of those people is going to walk up to you, beat the shit out of you and steal your purse. Do you know why you dont fear that? It's because you are personifying-- which is to say that you wouldn't do that to them, you wouldn't attack someone randomly and steal their money, you don't have any reason to, so why then would they have a reason to do it to you? That is how the subconscious works in a normal human. But let me tell you something, some people can't be bought, some people can't be reasoned with, some people just want to watch the world burn.

I consider myself a student of humanity and I very much enjoyed my sociology and psychology classes, even getting the opportunity to work with psychologically impaired patients in a one on one setting on more than one occasion.
But let me be clear, the human psyche is the real nebulous enigma, whereas evil is very very real. You can psychoanalyze people 24/7 and until you are blue in the face and you will never be able to "solve" the problem. You cannot eradicate behaviors jane, you can curb them, you can treat people, you help SOME people get better, but there will ALWAYS be child molesters, rapists, and killers on this planet, there will always be poverty on this planet, there will always be famine, pestilence, and plague on this planet, there will always be those who have, and those who have not. And no amount of medication, no amount of federal aid, no amount of recycling or "going green", etc.. will ever change that. That's another one of my main qualms with bleeding heart liberals (as well as some conservatives), they are all idealists, they have some noble imperative that they have to save everyone when that is absolutely unrealistic, and frankly quite stupid.

So once again let me reiterate, getting all Sigmund Freud on people, which they've been doing for THOUSANDS of years to no avail by the way, is never going to yield to you the reason "why". And even if it did, it would be of inconsequence. And I seriously doubt that you would even care about the reason "why" if it happened to your child, you would want his head on a plate.
Furthermore, treatment only has the possibility of working on people who are known to be psychologically impaired. You may find this hard to believe, but mental illness isn't always (in fact, it's usually not) to be blamed for detrimental behavior. Go to one of those "amber alert" websites and find out how many registered sex offenders you have living within a 5 mile radius of your house. Are all those people insane? No. There are thousands upon thousands of lawyers, doctors, accountants, priests, construction workers, judges, scientists, engineers, etc... who lead normal lives on the outside for decades, are active in the community, have kids of their own, do volunteer work, contribute to society, and so on, but late at night, they sneak out to their computer and download child porn and try to set up rendezvous with underage children on chat rooms. A small percentage of these people you will see wind up on the news or on a show like "To Catch A Predator." But my point is, these people are not insane, they don't have a chemical imbalance to use as a scapegoat, these people simply make a choice to feed their minds with evil things, to indulge the deep dark sick areas of the human mind that EVERYONE is capable of falling victim to if they don't vigilantly guard their hearts, minds, and souls from such vile inputs. It's sort of like the old saying, "You are what you eat". The mind is the same way as it is what it's exposed to. So yes, Jane I will give some credit to the fact that people can be heavily influenced and therefore a "product" of their surroundings, but the truly insane, the truly deranged only represent a small percentage of people who commit these terrible acts. For the majority, it's a slippery slope of a path of negative choice after negative choice. It's a person's decision to view kiddie porn, then lure children in chatrooms, then rape them, and so on.

A man named Frank Outlaw once wrote,
"Watch your thoughts: They become your words.
Watch your words: They become your actions.
Watch your actions: They become your habits.
Watch your habits: They become your character.
Watch your character: It becomes your destiny.

@Lisa
Hey Lisa, since you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation why don't you pour yourself a nice tall glass of shut-the-fuck up juice and drink it down, and quit screaming and ranting. Im addressing a cultural issue and using offensive adjectives to make a poignant difference between two very different groups of people who both happen to be black. Just the same with white people, there are whites and there are white trash/crackers/hillbillies etc... so the next time you post, try to contribute something instead of just flaming people with capital letter text

Colonel Sanders,

I admit "eradicate" was a poor choice of words. I know that these types of things will always exist, as long as sex does, it will somehow be defiled from it's original intent just like everything else we have been given,like money and power. There will always be those who will twist something natural into something sick. There are varying degrees to which I would hold the person responsible. As for the well-educated people who allow themselves to be sucked up into this, yes, they know better and should be punished for not looking for help instead of thinking they could get away with that. You can better believe that if I started looking at child porn, I would head to the psychiatrist, wheels screeching. (Again, I don't know fully what it would be like to be drawn to that so I will use the example that I could easily be drawn into alcoholism or shopping but I don't allow that because I could not face the pain it would cause my innocent family.) If I found myself engaging in the beginnings of self-destructive behavior, I would immediately seek help. But not all people have the same tools I was given. Then there are the completely deranged and of questionable intelligence, who are a lost cause. I saw this one rapist/murderer who had successfully killed 27 women over the course of 7 years (doesn't speak to well of that police department) and he spoke about dumping the bodies and what he did to them like he was talking about repairing his toaster. He doesn't need a reason. No matter how much therapy he gets, he will not be normal. There is no hope for him and he needs to be locked away forever with the only reason being keeping him away from others. But there is a huge population of these violent people that have been brought up that way. Having the police come to their house weekly while the parents assault each other, watching the father beat the mother or get beat themselves. They don't have the tools the more educated, experienced people have. Did you know that 80% of the prison population (male) have anti-social personality disorder? That comes from getting beaten and abused. People are not born with a personality disorder or develop one later in life b/c they looked at porn. These are the people that need to have their brain picked.

As far as your argument about abortion. Your basic premise is wrong, we are talking about young girls, not women who should know better and use birth control. (That is why I responsibly have one child who doesn't have 17 brothers & sisters she has to share a toothbrush with.) I would hope that I would not be held to the same standards of behavior at 15 as I am now. And you even called it a "zygote" which it is. Calling it a baby is misleading. Fine, then "save the zygotes" Let the people with fifth grade educations who stand in front of abortion clinics carry that sign and then let channel 7 asks them what a "zygote" is. And on a scale of 1 to 10, men having an opinion about abortion makes about the same amount of sense as my comparing a "zygote" to prostate cancer. I can really have any opinion I want about it, without consequences. If the guy who got me pregnant is against my abortion (or any guy for that matter) and would like to have my pregnant uterus put inside of him so I don't murder my unborn (zygote/baby?) and have a C-section when it's ready, take care of it, find babysitters, save up for college, listen to it bitch, arrange birthday parties for it, then I would be more than happy to agree to that. I certainly applaud your father, but he did have a learning experience seeing the self-destructive lives of his siblings, but he was born, he used his wits and inner strength and thought he was worth the effort, that's not going to be the story for all born like that. AND LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR.. I am in no way saying that anyone who is here now should not be. It is just a bad idea to force parenting upon teenagers or the unwilling and subject an innocent baby to that.

Sorry this is so long, but this is my last. Although I wrote this, I relinquish the victory for this battle to you with "pour yourself a tall glass of shut-the-fuck up juice" you win....until next time.

Jane Wilder,
Do not waste your time on this fool Colonel Sanders. He is not a doctor. First of all he claims to be a family doctor. That would be a General Practitioner. Second he claims to be married to an African Americian woman. So by telling all of us bloggers he is a doctor, married to a black woman this gives him the authority to use names like nigger. What doctor or husband would call their wife such a racist name? Jane putting him in his place, he had nothing else to say with any intelligence so he is now using the words f..k. That in it's self says it all.
How silly can he be, the woman has sex therefore it is back on the woman. In that case it is her choise. Not a mans. Bam is right. Doctors are there to treat, not to judge.

ColonelSanders, your name says it all, you are one of the other bloggers that have changed your name. Everyone was SICK OF YOUR RACIST CRAP. BE HONEST STOP HIDDING BEHIND A PHONY NAME.
Say Doctor what is the name of the medical symbol?
Don't look it up, like you can be trusted.
Do you call your black patients a nigger, or a spade is a spade? I sure would like to see you say that face to face with an African American person.

You have lied through out this entire BLOGG. YOUR just MAD because " HEE HAW" was taken off the air.

wtf did that cat do to her?

ColonelSanders, Seth, Justin Igger, one in the same.
Doctor right, so am I. If you are an example of a medical professional, than we are all going to witch doctors. This is just another way of a racist piece of shit hidding behind a racist name. Doctor, married to a black women. Can't you come up with anything better than this silly shit. You gave my family and I a good LAUGH.

ColonelSanders, Seth, Justin Igger, one in the same. Blob something about the topic

Thanks Sandy,

I find the fact that someone who states they are not racist using the name "colonel sanders" and a physician would write "shut-the-fuck-up-juice" very suspicious.

Dr. KFC,

That said, how was your submissive asian mail-order hot tub date (who obviously doesn't exist.)

I think you are the people that want to see the world burn.

@Jane Wilder
Jane first of all the "Shut the fuck up juice" comment was aimed squarely at "Lisa", no one else for her annoying ranting. Even though u might think im around 300 years old, im actually 39, and believe it or not, it's possible for a doctor to have a little flare or a little bit of crass in his sense of humor. We don't all spend 24 hours a day looking at charts or examining things through microscopes.
The ColonelSanders name is not used for any racist implications, it's a screen name/email name ive used for a long time as a joking reminder of my last two years of high school when I worked weekends at KFC to pay for my car and gas money. So let me say that you are drawing some very strong assumptions.

@Sandy
Sandy, im not sure who Seth or Justin Igger is, but you are the only fool here, interjecting with childish cut-downs about Hee-Haw. Any time now i expect you to start in with "your momma is so fat" jokes so im not going to further dignify anything you say with a response, you're a dimwitted applejohn.

Dr. KFC,

Well, if you are really I doctor, which I firmly believe you are not, answer this question: If I came to see you and told you that I could not sleep and woke up every hour and only slept 4-6 hours per night and finally had a car accident because I fell asleep driving. So you are going to have me tested for sleep apnea and gave me some sleeping pills temporarily, but you think it might be something else, very serious, what would you tell my husband to calm him down if he called you hysterically worried about my condition?

@Jane Wilder
Well Jane, your question is somewhat confusing because its written as a declarative sentence and then has another question tacked on. If I understand you correctly, you are asking two separate questions, so i'll try to answer it as such: The first inquiry being; "What would the initial most probable diagnosis be and what is the standard treatment?" If you are falling asleep during the day at unusual time periods (i.e. walking up some stairs) then it would most likely be narcolepsy which has been treated with moderate success using Provigil, i would start you out at 100mg and move to 200mg if necessary, and that would at least keep you awake during the day. If you simply can't sleep at night and wake up frequently, there are several possible causes but let's explore a few for argument sake... If it's simple insomnia (usually stemming from a melatonin deficiency or excess stress) I would initially try a combination of melatonin and valerian root (i like to try the naturopath method first) and if that didn't work, we could move on and try different sleep medications including Ambien, Lunesta, Restoril, or possibly a few others. Sleep apnea is a whole different affliction altogether and actually causes the patient to temporarily stop breathing due to blockage of the airway. This happens when the soft tissue at the rear of the throat collapses. This can usually be remedied with a certain type of mouth piece which repositions the mandible/jaw resting place, and subsequently changes the positioning of the soft tissue of the rear of the throat. That is the remedy for OSA (obstructive sleep apnea.) There is one other type CSA (central sleep apnea) which is when the brain fails to signal the muscles to breathe. Obviously this kind is much more serious, but has several treatment options nontheless. Either way, it's not that difficult to diagnose.
The second inquiry (i believe) is what would i tell your husband. I would do my best to calm him down and explain treatment options, even if it was something more serious like a brain tumor. Telling patients bad news isnt always easy, but its part of the job.

@Jane Wilder

Jane I have enjoyed our debate, so i thank you for your replies and i'll end with one final point. And that point stems from a quote that you ended your last main post with:

"AND LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR.. I am in no way saying that anyone who is here now should not be." --Jane Wilder

For the sake of reason, debate, logic and reference, I only ask that anyone who as any opinion on this subject, male or female, pro-choice or pro-life, watch these 2-minute video clips from you-tube that I'll post the links to. These videos are mainly procedural (granted with slight bias) but i feel it's important for everyone to know the process:

You see Jane, THEY ARE ALREADY HERE. A baby can actually survive at 6 months, if its taken out of the womb and grow up big and strong. Yet some dont consider this a baby. It has senses and it can feel pain. So when someone either takes a pair of forceps and rips its arms and legs and head off it feels it....or if someone pulls its body out of the womb and leaves only the head in the vagina (for legal purposes) and jams a pair of scissors into its neck, cuts its spinal cord, and uses a suction vacuum out its brain, that pain is probably unimaginable as well. The fact that is goes on in a nation like ours is an unimaginable evil.

ok im having a hard time posting the links because this forum doesnt allow it but here they are in broken form: just add youtube. com in front of them and it will take you there.

/watch?v=QUr0jCbcPNc

/watch?v=raQy3LPrM9M&feature=related

/watch?v=us_y9GP_-DA&feature=related

/watch?v=Q9Wcs3XWTNY&feature=related

colonel sanders,kfc, seth one in the same,
The only point you have tried to make is your own. Your statements have show the rest of us how intelligent you are!
I am a licensed paramedic, any E.M.T or paramedic could give the correct diagnosis to Janes question.
" Nigger, shut the fuck up juice, start in with "your momma is so fat" jokes so im not going to further dignify anything you say with a response, you're a dimwitted applejohn, Listen, lets call a spade a spade, only a dirty rotten piece of nigger shit."
I have e-mailed this crap of yours to a friend of my daughters that she works with, Dr. Rhoads. He agrees with Jane, bam and myself with some of the other bloggers.Your not a doctor, you want your racist, backward, down grading women veiws pushed on people. Do you even know what this Topic is about?
If you don't like what our government is doing for this great country of ours, GET OUT AND GO SOME WHERE ELSE,YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED.

" GET SOME HELP FOR YOURSELF"

Pete,
We will never really know if they or he, works for your site or not. What I would like to know is, why would you allow Colonelsanders, justin igger say it fast 3 times, jungle bunnies, spade, shut the fuck up juice. cunt, gay for pay stick a fist up your ass. Bloggers get mad and come back with some of the same come backs, because of these people starting this crap. We loss track of the topic. Is that what this site is aiming for? Why is that?

colonel sanders asshole,
This is the point you really want to make.
"Listen, lets call a spade a spade, only a dirty rotten piece of nigger shit would do something like that and then laugh about it. And before you think im a racist, keep in mind that im married to a very intelligent well-educated, well-spoken African American woman, who by no means falls into the aforementioned category. The category im referring to is the Aunt-Jemima/ entitled/medicaid welfare receiving, Obama-worshiping, pickled-pig's feet eating, 26" rim having, wide-nose tribal porch monkeys who have no respect for other living beings....in a word, NIGGERS."
What a DOC, good role model, kind of person you want living next door to you.

Dr. KFC,

You are stating that I support abortions at 6 mos. which I certainly do not. First, it's not legal and 2nd, it doesn't make any sense. At that stage it IS a baby, if the mother's life is in danger, they might as well take out the baby and see if it can make it. (Which does happen on a regular basis when complications come up, either labor is inevitable or the mother is dying.) At six months an abortion equals a birth and a subsequent murder, because many babies have survived at 5 mos. I am talking about people who responsibly have abortions at 1-2 months, which is legal. Obviously the laws have a little more common sense than you do. At 1-2 months there is no head, no legs, no arms, no nerve endings, no pain. etc. So there is no BABY, it's as you said before, a zygote.

Your are definitely not a doctor. Everyone knows that a doctor's first responsibility is to his wallet. So you would never discuss my medical information with my husband b/c it is not allowed per HIPAA regulations and you can get sued that way.

Jane,
This ass hole has been insulting everyone that does not agree with him. ColonelSanders, Seth, Justin Igger are the same. I asked Dr. Rhoads, my daughter's friend about your question to colonel, seth ass wipe who ever. Dr. Rhoad's said that",no doctor would ever suggest to him or herself that a patient has a brain tumor. The symptoms do not suggest anything close to have concerns about the brain. Yes this fool is a fool, the woman would be in her third trimester. That's giving birth.

Dr. KFC,
There is the basis from my original post that pro-capital punishment and anti-abortion are illogical. You are categorizing the killing of the most helpless creature in the universe, a 6 month old fetus still inside of the mother, as abortion. This should never be allowed to go on. You're not even calling it the right term, late term abortion, which in the US is illegal. This misinterpretation (not your fault b/c that is what everyone calls it.) is what poisons people's minds. And the people who would shoot abortion doctors and picket outside of clinics do not have that amount of brain to spare. This is the killing of someone that would otherwise be alive with moderate intervention, just like execution, murder, it's all KILLING, it's all the same thing. An abortion at 1-2 mos. is not this at all. At a certain time, it's just too late. just like when I go to the doctor, they call it "treatment", if I were 95 and dying, they would call it "life support", it's just too late to be "treatment" because nothing will make me better.

Sandy,
Thanks, I'm glad to see someone has common sense

JaneWilder you are so intelligent !
we need more people in this world like you!

Jane Wilder,

How'th clever are thee?

Seth,
Clever enough to know that you are reading things from a different story and then posting your comment here to make me think you agree with what I posted to Col. Sanders.

People, most abortions are first-trimester medically induced miscarriages, the pictures the anti-abortionists use to protest are late term abortions and most late term abortions are done for medical emergancies and account for about 1% of all abortions performed.

Abortion is legal all 9 months of pregnancy but many doctors will refuse to do a late term abortion unless given the above circumstances.

However some women were advised or deside late in their pregnancy they should or want to get an abortion.

Jo Said,

Where do you find that abortion is legal after first trimester (3 mos.)? I always thought it was illegal unless given extreme circumstances. But thank you for letting everyone know the truth, that abortions are just what they are for the most part and that horrible situation is limited to only 1%.

What's going on with these girls is that were already taught and they are in the process of being taught that their assaultive behavior will get them a certain result. In this case, attention, food, shelter=jail. Instead of another positive behavior getting this result, they have interpreted negative behaviors to be the ones to achieve this result. Human beings are programmed to avoid pain and seek pleasure. It is well worth delving into the human psyche to find out why the negative consequences of this behavior outweigh the perceived benefit these girls are getting from this.

Sandy, Marie Heck (sorry to put you in with him but I must)
Dr. KFC,

Thank you, thank you so much (and this is sincere) for all your posts. What I say above about finding reasons has helped me so much this week .... and I won't say any more because it doesn't involve the story. But sincerely, thank you.

--sigh-- ok for whatever reason you seem hellbent on discrediting me as a physician due to the fact that ive made remarks that could be categorized as racist....u know because it's impossible for a doctor to be anything but completely neutral on any issue. Jeesh, give me a break, it doesn't really matter anymore, everyone here is faceless and nameless. The last time I checked, my state license, NPI number and DEA number are still valid, so i could care less.

With that being said, i don't know what you're trying to say with the whole HIPAA violation argument. Obviously, if your husband were hysterical, he would ALREADY KNOW about your condition. I didn't say it was a brain tumor, I said IF it was a more serious condition LIKE a brain tumor, but you missed that part. From my experience, husbands and wives come in to be counseled together when they experience a serious set of health conditions to one or both parties, you know, so they can support each other and face it as a team. But im sure that's a completely foreign concept to you people over there in San Francisco, so i'll quit lecturing to deaf ears.

Pete Kotz said:

It's basically a one-man site, Sandy, and there's usually more than 150 comments a day, so it's impossible to monitor it 24/7. But we try to take the racist or purely insulting comments down as fast as we can. Please just ignore those guys if you can. They're just baiting you for their own weird kicks.

Colonel Sanders,
If you are a doctor, I apologize but I believe Seth has already made a full confession by his above posts.

Dr. KFC,
Bottom line, the applejohn doesn't fall that far from the tree and men aren't into world peace (as we can see.) Do you see husband's forcing their way into their wives pre-natal appointments asking all kinds of questions? Canceling their hockey games for sonogram appointments? Reading "What to expect when you're expecting" No. Did you know there is actually a page in that book that has the words on it "If labor starts, do not have sex." Why is that there? Because some idiot did this! Probably because he figured it was his last shot for a couple of weeks. Men run in terror to wretch in the closest bathroom if given too much information on childbirth. There is one and only reason a man would have an opinion on abortion, a topic that doesn't concern them whatsoever. They have serious issues in giving that control to women because the next "never born" might be a man. That hits too close to home. You can't handle it.

Pete,
I thank you for your response back. The topics you share with all of us are interesting and informitive. It was not very hard to figure out that the blogged names that were being used were by one person. The more I thought about it, the more I realized this guy has deep seeded problems.
I guess as long as he keeps his game, as he likes to call it(" taking the bait")on this site thats okay. His statements are troubeling. A person like this Seth, Colonel sanders, justin igger and all of the rest of his fantasy profiles are out of touch with reality. Is he really SAFE TO HAVE BLOGGING BACK AND FOURTH?

Colonel Sanders,

You make one semantical error with your statement "some people want to watch the world burn." This is definitely true but when you "delve into the human psyche" everything is in terms of me/my. There is no world for you except your own and none for me except mine. The behavior is never the original problem, it's a symptom of what is motivating it. All desires and compulsions come from within. The "slippery slope" you speak of doesn't just include sexual behaviors. It includes, drinking, spending, gambling, people-pleasing and any other self-destructive behavior probably carried out with the intention of self-punishment against a person's logical better judgement. They are calculated risks carried out over and over. Like a person with a morphine drip waiting for someone else to some and save then from themselves...just a little more....just a little more... It would be wise to find out why people like Cheyenne "want to see THEIR world burn" so they don't innocent people/animals down with them.

Colonel Sanders,

I am disenchanted by your lack of reply. This was not meant to be a trump card, but maybe you need more time. It's Christmas.

Seth,

Think, think, think.

@Jane Wilder

Sorry to disenchant! ;) Been busy at work, seems like all the hypochondriacs come out this year and insist on being seen on short notice.

I am in agreement that the slippery slope applies to all categories. But regardless to how we may feel about people not having a fair shake in life, or how much people are a product of their environment, we are all still ultimately responsible for a our own actions. This perhaps excludes the clinically insane or deranged individuals who don't function as human beings, but outside of that small percentage/demographic, everyone is endowed with conscience, an allspark that ultimately tells us deep down the difference between good and evil. That girl knew burning a cat was wrong.

And once again i realize that everyone seems to think that im Seth or whoever that other guy is, but im not, the only reason ive continued to post is because ive enjoyed an intelligent and spirited debate amongst intellectual(s). But Sandy doesn't seem to like that idea so oh well.

Seth Colonel Sandbag, It has been a while; however I do not wish to engage with the likes of you. This is my last comment that I will be responding back to you. You try so hard to come across as intelligent or as you like to call it," an Intellectual." Do you realize how uneducated, how illiterate you sound, even to the simplest of people? Calling a race N...ers, Spades, using four letter words to express your feelings and to get your point across is unfathomable. I blog because, I am fascinated as to how human beings treat one another, some may blog because their bored. You however blog Why? It is more than a game to you, it is an obsession.
I am sad for you.

worthless drone

Are you refering to me Sandy, seth, or the topic. Make yourself clear? IF it's me Sandy," you can stick your penis up your ass and enjoy." If you were not speeking to me SORRY.

Sandy said:
Are you refering to me Sandy, seth, or the topic. Make yourself clear? IF it's me Sandy," you can stick your penis up your ass and enjoy." If you were not speeking to me SORRY.
This sounds like one of those racist assholes seth ass bit what the shit.
The nasty little bitch and her friend need to get the shit kicked out of them.

Okay correction I hope you are referring to the Assholes that have been possing a me and some of the other guest on this site to stir up shit. Seth Justin i..er, colonelsandbutt. Yah we all know who they are.

Sandy everone knows this is seth, I think it is two shit wipes. justinigger and seth. seth changes his name sometimes to J or some other dumb ass name. I saw grayskull once and that was to put you down. Don't let these insecure mama boys bother you. You hold your own, most of the time you put them in their place without even trying. stay cool

Sandy,
They are using your name and my name. I know you didn't say "stick your.....& enjoy."

Colonel Sanders
We may be wrong about you. True, people with ongoing health problems like eye problems or unexplained bleeding tend to let these things go on for months and then show up in the doctor's office on holidays, like the fourth of July or Christmas Eve!! Weird but true. As far as what what done to the cat, yes I believe she knew it was wrong but for her, the payoff is still greater than the punishment. What's the payoff? That's the million dollar question that will stop her if she can answer it. Then it will lose it's magic and power over her. But only she knows the answer.

she has the signs of being a serial killer..they all start off killing animals then move on to people

I HOPE THAT THIS LITTLE GIRL WHO THINKS THAT SHE IS SO
TOUGH GETS A GOOD DOSE OF WHAT THE INMATE POPULATION
GENERALLY HAS IN STORE FOR CHILD ABUSERS AND THEIR LIKES.
THEY WON'T SEE HER AS BEING VERY TOUGH FOR KILLING A 3 MONTH OLD KITTEN. AND IF SHE IS REALLY UNLUCKY ,RIKER ISLAND WILL HAVE AN ANIMAL/INMATE PROGRAM, WHERE THE INMATES REALLY LIKE ANIMALS. JUST THINK WHAT SHE WILL GET THEN! BUT, NOT TO WORRY, SHE WILL BE OVER 18 WHEN SHE GETS OUT, AND MAYBE SHE WILL SHOOT HER BIG, STUPID MOUTH OFF TO
SOMEBODY, AND GET SOME EXTRA YEARS TACKED ON. I AGREE WITH MANY OTHER POSTERS, THAT SHE HAS NO REMORSE FOR ANYTHING THAT SHE HAS DONE IN THE PAST, SO IT IS NOT IF SHE WILL HURT SOMEONE, BUT WHEN! THEY COULD NOT SENT HER TO A NICER PLACE FOR 2 YEARS! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH HER ACCOMPLICES 3 MONTH OLD BABY. I HOPE THAT THEY NEVER RETURN HER TO HER MOTHER, OR THAT BABY MIGHT BE BADLY ABUSED BY HER VIOLENT MOTHER. THE NORMAL WELL ADJUSTED MENTAllY COMPETANT PERSONS' FIRST THOUGHT WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER A BABY KITTEN IS NOT TO KILL IT IN AN OVEN! KUDOS FOR EVERYONE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR SIGNING PETITIONS TO INCARCIRATE THESE TWO WORTHLESS EXCUSES FOR HUMN BEINGS.

Hi Sharon,I was thanking about this sicko not to long ago and you posted about here today. She got a year in prison and will be out in 6 months. Get this one she was ordered that she could not have a pet for 3 years. Once before she took a teacup dog from it's owner by gun point. A BB gun? We will read about her again.

HI SANDY, YOU BET WE WILL HEAR ABOUT HER AGAIN, BUT THIS TIME, SHE WILL BE OVER 18. SO THE NEXT TIME SHE ACTS STUPID, THE SENTENCE WILL BE LONGER. AND AS SHE IS SO IGNORANT, UNLESS SHE REALLY GETS WORKED OVER IN RIKERS, SHE WILL BE STUPID AGAIN. THE GOOD THING, IS THAT THE ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS ARE GETTING TOUGHER AND TOUGHER DUE TO SUCH PETITIONS AS WE SIGNED ABOUT CHEYENE CHERRY, AND AS MICHAEL VICK HAS SEEN FIRST HAND($30MILLION CONTRACT LOST}
ALSO, AS MORE AND MORE INFO BECOMES AVAILABLE LINKING ANIMAL ABUSE WITH CHILD ABUSE COMES INTO THE SPOTLIGHT, EVEN PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT ORDINARILY HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO BE CONCERNED WITH ANIMAL CRUELTY IN THE PAST NOW WILL GET INVOLBED. ALSO, IF YOU NOTICED CHEYENE HAD MY SPACE PAGES SHOWING HER EXTREME STUPIDITY BLABING ALL KINDS OF THINGS SHE SHOULD NOT BE SAYING. I THINK WE KNOW HOW MANY WILL TREAT HER IF SHE GETS OUT OF PRISON JUST BY THE SPEED
WTH WHICH SHE REMOVED HER MY SPACE PAGE AFTER THE KITTEN INCIDENT. SHE THINKS SHE IS SO TOUGH! THE ONLY THING SHE COULD STAND UP TO WAS A KITTEN, AND SLINK IN HER ROOMATES APARTMENT WHEN SHE WAS OUT. SO I WONDER HOW SHE WILL DO IN RIKERS WITH SOME REAL HARDENED KILLERS? AND SHE IS SO ILLITERATE, THAT SHE PROBABLY WILL SHOOT OFF HER STUPID MOUTH, AND THEN CRY IN THE CORNER WHEN SHE SEES THAT HER OPPONENET IS BIGGER THAN A HELPLESS KITTEN.
SHARON

Wow...You people are sick. Truly. If she were white, all of you would say "she needs help. No one should judge her, because apparently she didn't have the love, attention and up bringing she needed." Get a life and stop thinking of ways to murder someone over a cat. I will agree she is sick and probably a sociopath that will continue to be a repeat offender, but only time will tell. Last time I checked no one on earth is God or Jesus Christ. So, no one, I mean no one including the Pope is allowed to truly judge anyone. Everyone on earth is a sinner and that includes the Pope too.

Sincerely,
-A concerned citizen of humanity

P.S. Concentrate on something else, like the strife and suffering in Haiti, world hunger, illiteracy or finding a cure for cancer. Just something else more productive.

There is a lady in Dayton Ohio who was microwaved her baby to death. Nothing surprises me anymore. The devil is alive.

SHE IS AN UGLY ASS BITCH.

i could never kill an animal ever, they have no reason to harm human beings they dont have evil thoughts and actions, however, people like this i could glady point the gun, smile, and say open wide bitch.

i hope they keep her alive as long as possible, because i think it would be awesome to get inside of her mind, and twist it around until she doesnt want to live anymore, then we can watch her peel flesh from her own bones and smile as she bleeds out into the air. as she dies and her soul collapses, satan will be there waiting in hell, arms wide open, prepare to fucking burn!

obviously im kidding, that was a terrible thing to do, i dont know how people have such a lack of heart and character to do such a thing. pray for her, she needs god, and guidance. i hope she finds her way in life..