Too bad their parents didn't use birth control.

Does anyone know Gribble and Spaders sentencing? I couldn't be a cop. If a 20 year old punk sat in front of me and told me his one and only regret about this heinous crime was that a poor 11 year old didn't die.. I would beat the shit out of him!! He deserves to die. Period. I'm tired of hearing the reply "then you are just as bad as that person". BS! Maybe if people starting getting back what they've dealt out... there wouldn't be so many tragic stories on this site.

Mandy, I think you are right. If there were a little more eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth mentality we might have a better society. I think when someone kills purposely, spitefully, with intent there should be no life sentence to let them live on our tax dollars. Execute them, they aren't going to change and the tax payers won't have to support them for 30 years or more.It's not like they can be rehabilitated. Now, if it's just an accident or an honest mistake, that's different. Punish them, rehabilitate them, but execute the losers that are just plain evil.

Right on Skeptical! I agree 100%.

I saw on youtube a clip about this when Steven Spader is being arraigned in court,I wonder what is this idiot animal proud of that he is holding his head so high ?!!...Does he mean it is right to kill absolute total strangers ?!...what causes he think he is above all and people should die for him ?!

Too bad the time has passed to kill them before they did this. What happens to them now is really irrelevant.

Anyone who can kill a mother and attempt to kill her child....what a bunch of bastards. Hopefully justice will be served within the cells of their own personal hell.

As disgusting as these sub-humans are, I have a problem with allowing the State the authority to take anyone's life. I'd rather they get life without possibility of parole. Fellow prisoners are typically quite hard on these types, and the thought of them being ganged daily by a 300-lb sweaty cellmate named "Bubba" who thinks they got a purdy mouth strikes me as better justice than simply killing them because once they're dead they don't have to suffer. Anyway, in prison they'll be dead soon enough.

This is the bravado of immature youths. From a very technical sense, he is right of course. He should have done a better job and made certain all the witnesses were dead. He is probably just stupid as well as evil.

seriously xavier, even with a heinous act as this? killing the woman with a machette, stabbing her daughter in the face is more than enough reason to lethally inject a person. a guillotine with a rusted blade would be more effective, if not more humane.

Justice? Strap him down to a gurney and give this lady's family a hammer. With one strategic lick every few minutes or so, this sob would be dead in just a few hours.

I was in prison on a nonviolent marajuana charge and the vast majorityof guys in there dispise creeps who victimize women and children. Prison is no vacation for pukes like these! Their lives aren't worth a pack of cigarettes! They won't last a year!!!!!!!

Is that 'Gribble', (doesnt the name just say it all?), in the picture above? What is he holding in that photo? He looks extremely pleased with it,(and with his VERY special head gear), whatever it is. What a deadshit.
Not surprising his proudest life achivement has been to stab a sleeping mother and child- he doesnt look capable of tying his shoelaces. Looks like he may have some type of cognitive disability, exceptionally low IQ?
What an unfortunate POS.

Why were the other 2 only charged with burglary and robbery? Shouldn't they be charged with conspiracy to commit murder? The whole bunch of them seem deranged and dangerous and if they're only charged with those little crimes they could be out in a few years. Scary.

It's a real punk who sneaks into a woman's home and attacks the woman and her daughter while they're sleeping! It's another story to be locked in a cage with a full-grown man, who has the same violent feelings toward you!

His 'compassion' for the child came wayyyy too late. DEATH.

The death penalty in NH is not an option unless they also engaged in sexual assault.

In fact in NH a person could kill as many people as he/she wanted and not be subject to the death penalty unless one of those people happened to be a law enforcement officer. I guess they are more important than the rest of us.

Now that just shows how ass backwards our laws are, you can stab and 11 year old girl in the heart, you can carve somebody up with a machete, but you'd have to have sex with them in addition them to qualify for the death penalty? These guys make rapists look like normal people.

When inmates are on death row they are kept isolated from the rest of the prison population.
I would like to see justice dealt to this vile turd by his fellow inmates. This is one criminal that deserves everything he gets in prison.
I usually roll my eyes at all the 'Bubba' cliches and violent revenge fantasies spouted on these crime blogs but this guy has dug his own grave.
I dont beleive in capital punishment as long as these cretins are locked away for life. If the nature of their crimes dictate they will face a certain degree of hostility from fellow inmates, so be it- my hands are tied!

Okay, yeah, we all can probably agree that these monsters deserve to be killed. In fact, give me 10 minutes in a room alone with them, and I'll do it for you. That goes for baby-rapers too -- they all deserve the death penalty.

With that said, I am vehemently against the death penalty. For over a decade I've been addicted to true crime. If you keep up with crime journalism, and watch documentaries about crime -- then you know how many innocent men have been executed in this nation. Just recently, Texas executed a guy whose two young daughters were burned to death in a fire. The guy had to listen to his two daughters scream as they burned -- he tried to save him, but an explosion blew him backwards into his yard. To make a long story short, a few incompetent fire inspectors and a some cops desparate to make an arrest later, and the father is arrested for murder. He spends over a decade in solitary confinement, and then gets executed -- knowing as he dies that there was nothing he could do to save his daughters, and that his name will go down in history as a vile child-murderer. There was only one problem -- the fire was an accident caused, most likely, when one of his daughters left a stuffed animal close to a space heater. The nation's most pre-eminent fire inspectors went over the wreckage with a fine-toothed comb and testified that there was no way that this fire was arson.

Listen, it's easy after a crime like the one above to beat your chest and bleat about how much the criminals deserve death -- talk about an easy target. Nobody in their right minds would disagree with you. But the other posters are right -- life in prison is hell for these guys. And at least that way we, the citizens, don't have to risk having the blood of innocent men on our hands.

a perfect example of why people should have to have IQ tests before they breed.

I thought the story was disturbing but then I read the comments. I completely agree with Gaggy.

Everything except for the first paragraph. He/She completely contradicted themselves there.

@Gaggy...I am against the death penalty for the same reason.

God was looking out for this little angel.

"God was looking out for this little angel."

I don't get it.

@Richard.

The little girl who survived. Perhaps God has better things planned for her. I would like to believe so in light of the horrible ordeal she survived, as well as, the loss of her mother.

Well, I'm semi-glad that you can believe that.

Too bad ol' beardy up there didn't prevent the whole thing in the first place.

I'm so touched by the sentiments of humanity here. Death Row Yes, a little story for you. I never forget it. I was the detective on the case. Received a call around 1:20am that a woman an infant,a neighbor and the boyfriend were allegedly dead. The information I got before entering the residence the boyfriend was a drug user and had been beating the girlfriend most of the day and night. The cause of the infants death was unknown. The neighbor was beating about the head. The boyfriend was shot with a shot gun at point blank range.
This is why we have the death penalty
A 21 year old white woman beaten to the point she could no longer see. One of her hands had defense wounds, the other one was across the kitchen floor. She survived with permit brain damage.
The Neighbor fought for 3 lives. The women, child and his. He had 13 stab wounds to the hands and chest. Before he fell to the ground and died he managed to squeeze the trigger of the shot gun.
The shot was point blank range to the boyfriend, he bleed to death.
I will never be able to get this scene out of my mind. I will take it to my grave. No one could be prepared for it.
The 5 month old infant girl's body parts were dismembered throughout the kitchen. We found brain matter on the stove. The baby's head was a plop like jelly.
Now do you think if that Son of a bitch had lived he should not get the death penalty. I see this all of the time. Don't cry about taking a life. These people are animals. I have seen murders were individual have had their flesh ripped from their bodies.
Here is facts for you about innocent men on death row.
69 men were released on death row. Out of the 69, 20 were found that they could not prove they were innocent. There are 560.000 murders out of that 358 were executed. That is 1 execution for every 1,600 murders.

Correction, how does one continue to do the job that you are doing? God rest the little ones soul. I agree with you, the death penalty is here for a reason. Isn't called murdering? Housing these people, appeals, their medical attention, food.They are costing us 19,002.00 a year. If a prisoner gets attacked like gaggy claims, that will cost the taxpayers even more money. Less time on death row, less time in prison, less money spent. With DNA the way it is today I don't thank there are very many innocent men in prison. The man executed in texas, he was never proven innocent. Thank you Correction for your story.

Im 16 and this is just... how could someone possibly have the mind to do this? taking someones life away from them. these people deserve worse than the death penalty, they deserve to be drowned in boiling water.

Austin, you are a young man way beyond your years. You have a good head on your shoulders.

No, Richard, I didn't contradict myself. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. What I was trying to get across was that I think these kids DESERVE the death penalty IF they are guilty -- and it sounds like they are, considering that the one already confessed.

If our justice system were 100% flawless, then I would be the first to hope that they would be executed. However, because it's not a perfect world, and because we know that innocent people have been, and will continue to be executed if we continue to keep the death penalty legal, I would rather see these bastards NOT be killed, even though they may deserve it, then risk killing more innocent people.

About the DNA -- what DNA has done for us was pull back the lid and show us exactly how many people have been rotting on death row for years who were completely innocent. And although CSI might make you think differently, DNA is actually brought to bear in a very small amount of murder cases.

At the risk of sounding cliche -- I'm trying to say that I would rather see a hundred murderers NOT get the death penalties they might deserve to keep from executing a single innocent man. That's the way I feel -- though I can respect people who feel differently about it.

I'm pretty sure that correction's story proves absolutely nothing. We all know what happens. Reiterating one case doesn't help anything.

As Gaggy said, if one innocent person lives as a result of numerous genuinely guilty people not being murdered then it's worth it.

To elaborate on my above comment, correction said, "This is why we have the death penalty."

Preceding that was a description of a case you had seen though none of it supports your conclusion.

"I'm so touched by the sentiments of humanity here."

And I certainly would have used that in a sarcastic context.

corection said,
I still don't see how you can justify executing an innocent person by mistake to get rid of a hundred guilty ones. It's like saying it's OK the neighbor was caught in the cross fire because he got the guilty guy. The death penalty is actually carried out so infrequently it's not worth it anyhow. 99% of the time were paying to have these people locked up for life, what's the difference if you add in the remaining 1%?

"99% of the time were paying to have these people locked up for life, what's the difference if you add in the remaining 1%?"

A bunch of innocent peoples' lives.

Yeah, I like answering rhetorical questions.

If this were an isolated case than I would have to agree. Sadly enough it's not. DNA has come a long way just in the last few years. What you are suggesting is that the system is so faulty there should be no death row. When an inmate is on death row for deck-ads and his appeal is granted that DNA that you are turning your nose up to can prove a man innocent as well as guilty. Has there been innocent men put to death. Yes. Has a guilty man gotten away with murder? Yes. I disagree with the both of you and so dose the US legal system. That is why you are on your computers blogging and guilty men are on death row. Try this on for size there are 7.3 million people that have or are in prison. How many do you thank were innocent. $19002.00x 7.3 million= a lot of money.
One more question. Do either of you have children? If one of your kids were raped and tortured to death, would you believe in the death penalty then? Be honest; don't try and make some kind of profound statement.

I truly do not believe in the death penalty. It won't ever bring anyone back. Many times they do not have DNA evidence and the person continues to say they are not guilty and they ask for appeals and are denied and further investigation, are executed and then exonerated by new evidence. That has happened more than once and that's too many times. I don't think those people should be executed. If they have DNA evidence and the person has admitted, well, then you can be pretty sure. Executions just send the message to the public that the United States believes in killing people. It is not a deterrent nor a money saver. Other countries who don't have the death penalty have tiny amounts of violent crime compared to the US. These lunatics are part of a generation who grew up with the senseless "shock and awe" campaign going on. This kind of senseless violence is what they learned. The news is full of lunatic teenagers killing and plotting.

Whats the difference, you do the math. If the death penalty is not that big of a deal. Only 1% then why are the few of you bleeding hearts upset? I tell you why. While you are at home in your warm houses playing on your computers there are people killing others. Unless you are involved in some type of law enforcement and see this stuff first hand you will never fully know how bad people are. You could not even imagine what kind of pain one person can inflect on another. Men women children babies. Go out into the field for a month, you'll change your mind. I did.

"Try this on for size there are 7.3 million people that have or are in prison. How many do you thank were innocent. $19002.00x 7.3 million= a lot of money."

So you're saying that it's alright to sacrifice innocent peoples' lives as long as it saves money?

"If one of your kids were raped and tortured to death, would you believe in the death penalty then? Be honest; don't try and make some kind of profound statement."

I imagine that I would end up killing the perpetrator(s) myself. I would be wrong in doing so and would go to jail.

"What you are suggesting is that the system is so faulty there should be no death row."

Yes.

"Has a guilty man gotten away with murder? Yes."

That's why they're put in prison. Murderers and rapists should be locked up for life. It's not like they're going to make a jail break.

"Go out into the field for a month, you'll change your mind. I did."

You're presenting further arguments based on what we all already know.

"Whats the difference, you do the math. If the death penalty is not that big of a deal."

Money should not be an object when lives are at stake.

"Only 1% then why are the few of you bleeding hearts upset?"

Because that's a lot of people and, by extension, it's also a lot of innocent people.

How do you figure it dosn't save money. If a prisoner is on death row for 12 years(thats the average)VS life in prison. The state would save a lot of money. A man 25 years old on death row and he is executed at 40 years old. If he were to serve life in prison. The average age of a males life expectancy is what 73-78. So 35 years x 19,002.00= $6,650,070.00 The taxpayers would save a lot.
As to these animals one can only hope.

"How do you figure it dosn't save money."

I think you're missing the point. I never said that it didn't save money. The fact is that you seem to be willing to have innocent people killed in order to save a few bucks.

No innocent person so be executed first of all. 560.000 murders,360 executions. I know you feel the need to copy and paste. Dose this in some way make you feel like you are getting your point across? Acting childish does not serve you well. Your opinion becomes enbedded in hate. That is kind of what you are protesting. I will say for the most part our legal system is doing a pretty good job. Where do you believe we would be with out it?

I believe I was making my statements to Rocki until you rudly cut in. No my main point was not about money. You are completly of the Topic, But my point is the death penalty. Like I said with some luck these animals will get death row.
Do you go by the last name igger? I have read most of the stories. There are a few of you that call yourselves men. I dought you would talk to me or another man face to face the way you are now. You have a lot to learn in life. And you are going about it all wrong.

First of all, I copy and paste in order for anyone reading to be able to follow your points and my counter-points more easily.

Second, I don't quite know what you mean by your first sentence. "No innocent person so be executed first of all." I don't know what that means. It's not gramatically correct in any case.

"Your opinion becomes enbedded in hate."

Well, look who's talking. And no, I feel that my opinion is not "enbedded in hate". Quite the opposite. You seem to have a strong lust for revenge while I'm trying to take the logical approach of saving lives. Your method would only have more people die.

"Where do you believe we would be with out it?"

The world would be chaos without governments or proper legal systems. I never said anything that would suggest otherwise. It's obviously not perfect, though, and it never will be but it can be improved.

"Do you go by the last name igger?"

I don't really know what that's supposed to mean either. I could respond to your arguments more easily if you could at least form your thoughts into a coherent message.

correction said,
I just don't even think the money/death penalty issue is even worth talking about, with all the factors involved, it's probably a wash any how. I can totally see where you are coming from, but you are viewing the end situation and of course that would make you figure, get rid of this lunatic and at least this one will be off the streets. But I think we are all too focused on the end result, where very little of any helpful solution can be accomplished at that point. Case in point, I was attacked by someone as I walked home in my neighborhood. Luckily, I got away and they got the guy. Which wasn't terribly difficult because when I found out who it was I pulled up his record and found that he had a list of petty crimes dating back to his being 18 years old. That means there's more that's not allowed in the public court records. All in all, there were about 7 things he was actually picked up for and taken to jail (some were crime against people) and every one was dismissed or nolle prosequi. The same cops had been picking him up as now were detectives talking to me. This has to make me think, why is this guy out there in this state? What is going on with this? The state has had probably more than 8 years to deal with whatever is this guy's problem and I guess because of the way the laws are, their hands are tied. If we would focus on a different juncture in time of criminal behavior, maybe some of these horrific things could be prevented. I think we are all caught up too much in the results and not enough in the middle. We are still taking our views of justice from the Bible, an eye for an eye. I think it's time we updated.

.Do you realize how off the wall you are? I have no revenge for anyone. I said that we should and do have the death penalty. "No innocent person so be executed first of all." I do believe the sentence above is what I said. You understand it. And so will everyone else. You are Trying to show people that you are intelligent; just isn't cutting it. You are showing you hostility with every statement you make. The only thing that I have gotten out of what you are saying is innocent people are being killed by the legal system. You are looking to argue with someone. And you hate people in general.
You do go by the name of igger. you are also gaggy.

"And you hate people in general.
You do go by the name of igger. you are also gaggy."

I think I know what you mean now. I don't know who igger is but Gaggy is another user so I suppose you think that I use multiple names. I don't actually see how that would be advantageous to me at all and I assure you that this is not the case but there really is no way to prove it to you and I really don't care that much.

"No innocent person so be executed first of all."

I seriously have no idea what this means, though. It doesn't make sense in the English language.

Does anyone else get this?

Do you mean that no innocent person SHOULD be executed?

That's the closest I can get to that making any sense at all.

If only it were that easy. Murder starts young. Children are born into gangs. Their parents and grandparents were gang members. I'm not saying that gangs are responsible for all the murders. If you want to start to provent murder before it happens. Start earily. There is just no funding to help families, kids get off the streets that want help. When kids get into trouble thats when we could step in to help these kids. Programs to educate them that there is a different way of life.

i believe justin is probably justin igger. his replies are leaning on troll-ish.

back to topic, these guys didn't kill in the comission of a robbery, they didn't kill because of hatred of an individual, they didn't kill to protect themself, the deal was they just wanted to kill. didn't matter who...it was whomever they encountered.

they set out that night with one intent...to kill. why should they be allowed to live? they are murderers in the true sense of the word.

if the death penalty was ever a just punishment, it is in this particular case. i don't know how anyone can deny that.

we are a society, and within our society we have to protect it. that means difficult decisions. that means making judgments on others for behavior that otherwise would bring chaos to our society. each person has the benefit of 12 people and a judge to determine guilt. yes, there are innocent people in prison. but, there must have been some pretty damning evidence to get them to that point. enough evidence to convince 13 people of the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. other countries don't have the benefit of 12 peers, they only have a panel of judges that determine guilt and mete out the punishment. i don't know of a better legal system anywhere else. live with it, or lobby to change it.

Well Justin I guess you can't read. You are very young or very stupid. I don't like to use that word ,but in your case I'm going to. I'm arguing with a child. You have been throwing a temper tantrum for hours.

jadensmokes I couldn't have said it better. You have hit the nail on the head. I know we are right that is the same guy that those women were having problems with. igger. Got to get up in three hours. Thanks man.

correction said,
Yes, we actually agree more than I thought. Don't pay attention to Justin, he just has a chip on his shoulder because he went to Norfolk State and told everyone else he went somewhere else.

"i believe justin is probably justin igger. his replies are leaning on troll-ish."

I'm not this Justin Igger guy and I don't think that my points are trollish at all. I mean, even If I were this person it would be really stupid of me to just reduce my user name to the first part of it and deny that I was this person at all.

"Well Justin I guess you can't read. You are very young or very stupid. I don't like to use that word ,but in your case I'm going to."

What are you talking about? If I used this sentence in a conversation, "No innocent person so be executed first of all.", people would look at me like I was an idiot. Also, you're calling me stupid? You're the one who's frequently misspelling words and using sentences that you've apparently made up by throwing a bunch of random words together.

Anyway, back on topic.

"if the death penalty was ever a just punishment, it is in this particular case. i don't know how anyone can deny that."

I suppose that I agree. These people were downright evil. There's no question about that. I think what I'm arguing at this point is the death penalty in general and not just this specific case. I don't think that it should exist at all because innocent people could die and you couldn't make an exception for people like this. I was extremely angry when I read about this story. I wanted to kill him but that's why the Justice system is there. To try criminals fairly and not just go all medieval on their asses.

"Don't pay attention to Justin, he just has a chip on his shoulder because he went to Norfolk State and told everyone else he went somewhere else."

...

I'm really not this guy you all apparently know. This is my first time on this site and I decided to respond to the comments. Apparently, I picked the wrong user name because it's lead a lot of you to believe I'm this other person. I just googled the murderer's name and this is what I got.

The 'eye for an eye' thing I do not understand. We need to resist our primitive urges. I am totally opposed to the death penalty. Life in prison with no chance of parole can be worse than execution... IF we give these prisoners no TV, nothing, just four walls, slightly larger than a bed, no direct social interaction and nothing to do but know that every minute for the rest of their lives will be just like the one before until they die.

Justin,

"I don't think that it should exist at all because innocent people could die and you couldn't make an exception for people like this."

Actually, that's a point to totally agree with. Why make an exception for the lowest common denominator? That's backwards. We should be making exceptions for good deserving people. Not the other way around.

"To try criminals fairly and not just go all medieval on their asses."

The government and justice system is supposed to be a "THINKING, INTELLIGENT ENTITY," "A HIGHER AUTHORITY with more knowledege and expertise than the general public" that's why we can't be vigilantes. I suggest they start aspiring to their designated position.

BamaGuy,

I would like to agree with you about the way it "should" be in prison. And in some cases that is how prison life is; but that is not how the majority of our jails and prisons are run. Alot of inmates do have it "easy" in jail/prison. And it should not be that way! Not only are our criminals corrupt; but we have individuals RUNNNING these prisons who should be LIVING in them!Remember the movie "Cool Hand Luke"? thats how prison should be. There are many many inmates who ARE guilty; 100%; why should there lives be spared?

Gaggy,
"Okay, yeah, we all can probably agree that these monsters deserve to be killed. In fact, give me 10 minutes in a room alone with them, and I'LL DO IT FOR YOU. That goes for baby-rapers too -- they all deserve the death penalty.

With that said, I am VEHEMENTLY AGAINST the death penalty."

I have to agree with Richard; TOTAL contradiction!

You can't say in one statement that you believe they deserve the death penalty; and even go as far as saying you'd do it yourself.... then the very next statement is you're totally against it.

Well, This should be of great interest to anyone truly interested in society and crime now that the moral majority has forced a certain amount of conformity. It's like a true life on paper version of Lord of the Flies.

Wow! Those men are sick. No normal person can sit around and think of killing people. Or even regret not killing a little 11 year old girl. I mean these guys must be freaks for wanting to kill people. They did not even do a damn thing to them so why all the hate towards them.

Look at that picture of the guy. As if it's not bad enough to be murdered, it's worse yet to be murdered by a douche like that. "When gribbles attack ...."

Actually I think these guys wanted to kill to get themselves some tough-guy cred. I mean, just look at this guy. He could use all the help he can get in that department.

I actually knew someone who helped kill a woman for that exact reason. I ate dinner at his house and everything. I was not a fan of his but he was a friend of my friend Bob, so I went along a few times.

His name was Paul Michael Serio, and he helped kill a woman named Susan Hamwi. Incidentally, this led to an innocent man being convicted and spending years in prison -- this might be of interest to you holier-than-thou types always howling for blood on this forum. (Nah, probably not.)

Anyway, if you want to read more about it, just buy the book "My Dark Places" by James Ellroy. He describes Serio the same way that I remember him -- as a puss who wanted to be a toughguy. (Serio eventually got nabbed due to his own stupidity and died in prison.)

Morgan J,

The sad part is, I don't think he did have HATE towards them. As he put it... he just wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone. Not only sad; but scary.

Here's a story with a person who seemed to have similar motives. http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/1110/9538693/Police_Mo_teen_dug_grave_anticipating_murder/1

justin and gaggy seem to always blog on the same topics. They have the need to argue with people to create animosity. Why would one agree one moment and disagree the next. Mandy is so right read what she posted. If you (two) ha ha don't agree with others opinions, fine. But getting ugly and hurting people in the process is uncalled for.

Jadensmokes,

I don't think I could say it any better than you! Also, haven't seen you on here in awhile so welcome back.

Just gonna get somethings off my chest! If a person is tried, convicted, and sentenced by a jury of his/her peers without any room for resonable doubt and all the evidence is against them, then he/she should take their punishment, whether its the death penalty or prison. I do realize that there are some innocent people in prison and on the death row. But how many prisoners say they are "innocent" and how many prisoners claim they did something, to seem like a badass or whatever reason, only to later say they didn't do it? Can we really take the word of a criminal?!?! My biologicial father said he was innocent when he was arrested for selling, producing, and using meth. Even after they found him in possesion of meth and paraphenilla and found a meth lab in his house, he still claimed to be innocent. Even when he was going thru withdrawls in jail, he still claimed to be innocent. Yean I didn't buy it and thankfully neither did the court. He was sentenced to 5 years in prison and served 3 or 4 I think. Now I realize that's not what you anti-death penalty people are talking about. Being put to death is a bigger deal than drug charges. My point is, guilty people say all the time that they are innocent, even with mounds of evidence and witnesses stacked against them.

Now to the case at hand. These idiots killed just to kill and they bragged about it. Can you think of any better case than this where the death penalty should be used? And then Gribble says his only regret is he didn't kill the little girl? If he doesn't get the death penalty, he could end up free. We all know that life in prison doesn't always mean life in prison. Whether he gets out when he is 60, some idiot gives him clemency and releases him, or he escapes, he could still go free. I personally would feel a little safer knowing this scum was 6 feet under than to have that slight chance he is ever free again. Someone who says they are going to kill just to kill, has no regards as to who he kills, in my eyes cannot be rehabilitated. He has the taste of it, so what's to stop him from doing it again? His own death, that's what. If he doesn't get the death penalty, he will be able to live better than most of us! Three free meals a day, free cable, free electricity, free gas, free schooling, free medicines, free health care, free therapy. Well, free for him anyways. We have to pay for them to live better than us and most of them are the scum of the earth. How is that fair for us?!?! I have no empathy for criminals and think they should have to live like criminals. If it was up to me, chain gangs would be in all prisons, they would get no cable or schooling, and they would have to work for all their bills just like the rest of us.I hope all the idiots involved in this get the maximum sentence.

My heart and prayers go out to that little girl and her family. I hope they are able to get passed this and move on as best as they can.

Scum like this is the perfect reason to own a gun.

justin gaggy larry this is so convenient. You knew a guy that knew friend that had a friend. Theres a book out. gaggy said one thing, now it's the next. justin needs to show how smart he thinks he is. Man get some balls, get into a profession working in this type of field. Until then, how much do you know? Not much. Opinions are like Assholes, everyone has one.

correction, what the hell are you talking about?

I lent you some credibility at first because you said you were a detective (which I now doubt and if you are then god help us all) and I didn't say anything earlier because I didn't want this to devolve into a flame war but you're being a complete idiot and detracting from the topic at hand.

People are entitle to their own opinions. That includes everyone of us. When people like you and others start to bully up and get nasty, you bet defensive words will be exchanged. I don't care for the way you and your friend bulldozed over this topic to prove your POINT. You have absolutely no consideration for anyone. Discussing the death penalty, death row with you on an intelligent level with facts, and statistic is impossible. I do apologize that I sank to your level. For what it's worth anyone that would kill a child or try and kill a child in my opinion dose not any concept of human life. You can take that for what it's worth in regards to these animal and what I think should happen to them in prison.

I don't agree with the death penalty but I would not be comfortable with them ever being released. Just the premeditation and the randomness of who they killed and the fact that it is bad enough to be one crazy person but to have this perversion shared among the four. I don't think there is any hope for their mentalities.

I agree that they should never be released and I highly doubt that they ever will.

"For what it's worth anyone that would kill a child or try and kill a child in my opinion dose not any concept of human life."

I think you're missing a verb or something there...

"I don't care for the way you and your friend bulldozed over this topic to prove your POINT."

My friend?

I have been waiting for the dirt to settle and the others to finished arguing. I know who you are Correction. I will not reveal your name that's not cool. You were talking about the Lion's case weren't you? I remember because the boyfriends truck was found at the riverbed the case was all over the news. My Uncle worked under you. My Uncle Jim said, he had never seen pictures like that before and has never seen pictures like that since. The girlfriend that was beaten up, is in a home about 15 miles from where we live. You were in the papers here for a while. I asked my Uncle Jim what happen to you when you left the Police force here? Are you teaching at FBI Academy?. The procedure that you wrote for abused kids protecting their testimony made you a hero here at home? I hope you are doing well. Maybe this stirred up memories that are not so good. This story is sad, I can not understand why a person would want to hurt someone like that.

Come on man get off of it. Stop trying to look good. Your a pain in the ass. Yah correction said it right your friend. its not hes friend "my friend" Get a life fuck head. We don't care about you shut up.

I sense a flame war coming on...

Wow I do not understand how such horrible humans can be created, wtf. Kids should really be checked at a younger age to see if they are "normal" mentally because such crime might have been prevented you never know.

Justin my comment was meant for you. It's your friend. Not My friend? You understood what correction said, all of us did. Your friend (My friend) as in gaggy. Your playing dumb because your a dumb ass trouble maker. Look at the shit you just posted.
I sense a flame war coming on... Your igger alright, igger-ignorant. Now go turn into seth.

hi marie, thanks for the welcome. i'm here always, just don't always comment. i try and stay away from the thread baiting by our resident troll. every thread turns this way eventually. it gets old. no room for serious debate or discussion.

stop picking on justin, you're right, it is like lord of the flies. it's how man reacts with man, it's the natural course of things for man to set up rules, to pass judgement, to punish those that are wrong and against society's law. laws may come and go, things may become acceptable in a society, but in the end we (man) are responsible for our society.

we are responsible for those that take other's life for the hell of it. it is in turn our responsibilty to isolate or dispense with these types of people to satisfy our strongest urge, which is to survive.

Well said jadensmokes,
You really have to wonder what is going on when people do things against our most basic human urges which are not subject to change. To survive and to seek pleasure and avoid pain. These people bragged about it and I believe got caught on purpose. Would make sense with Gribbles' reaction to saying such a terrible thing about the little girl.

"Justin my comment was meant for you. It's your friend. Not My friend? You understood what correction said, all of us did. Your friend (My friend) as in gaggy. Your playing dumb because your a dumb ass trouble maker. Look at the shit you just posted.
I sense a flame war coming on... Your igger alright, igger-ignorant. Now go turn into seth."
First of all, I do not have any intention of transforming into anyone else.

Second, I can never understand what correction's saying. The guy's a complete imbecile.

"stop picking on justin"
Thank you.

In order for human kind to survive the violence we infect upon one another; there has to be some kind of order. Thank God for our juridical system. For the most part I like to believe justice will prevail.

OMG WTF Justin why do you keep going on about the same stuff. Everyone is sharing there ideas. You are annoying. You are the type of person that has to be right about everything. Stick to the topic, that way you will not be side-tracked with the other users comments. Stop crying about your feelings getting hurt.

Second, I can never understand what correction's saying. The guy's a complete imbecile.
Look who's talking.

Well, it's kind of hard not to respond when people are accusing me of hiding behind other aliases and personally insulting me.

"Look who's talking."

Correction said: For what it's worth anyone that would kill a child or try and kill a child in my opinion dose not any concept of human life.

Correction also said: No innocent person so be executed first of all

....

But I agree. We should try to stick to the topic.

Austin said:
"Im 16 and this is just... how could someone possibly have the mind to do this? taking someones life away from them. these people deserve worse than the death penalty, they deserve to be drowned in boiling water."

correction said:
"Austin, you are a young man way beyond your years. You have a good head on your shoulders."

Because he wants to drown criminals in boiling water? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of being wise and having a good head on your shoulders.

You just don't quite do you justin; last words to you. Not that it will do any good. Talking to you is like talking to a fence post. Who cares, your digging as deep as you can to get a negative reaction from people. Leave it alone.

"You just don't quite do you justin; last words to you."

Ummm That's not a complete sentence...I think you mean, "You just don't quite get it."

"Who cares, your digging as deep as you can to get a negative reaction from people."

And you spelled "you're" wrong.

I'm not trying to get reactions from people. I just wish people could form comprehensible messages.

You two sound like two school kids trying to get the teachers attention. You both realize how stupid you are making yourselves look. Saywhat I hope you don't answer Justin back? You will be the better person if you ignore him. Everyone " Stay Cool "

Since you seem to be the mediator, could you tell them to at least TRY to spell correctly. Actually, I don't even care so much anymore if they spell correctly. Complete sentences would be good.

You are too funny, you make me laugh and I'm sure a lot of other people.
Why would you care if people spell properly or not? Why would you care if we make complete sentences? This is not for a job interview it is about putting your opinions out there to share with each other. Discussing Topics. I know that when I'm on the keyboard putting down my my thoughts I could care less if I am spelling correct or not. I certainly don't care what my sentences look like. We can all figure out what one another is saying. We don't need you to correct us or interpret one another s sentences for us. Good Luck trying to get along with others.
Your just to funny.

I put your message one the wrong topic the first time. I'm bad.

"Why would you care if we make complete sentences?"

Because I literally cannot understand what they are trying to say and thus cannot respond to their comments.

Second, I can never understand what correction's saying. The guy's a complete imbecile.
Look who's talk

Justin you are not that smart. Saywhat was using the word; “ your” properly. He/she was referring to (You) The person, Noun
The form of the possessive case of the personal pronoun you.

LOL I am still laughing.LOL Do you even log on this Website to discuses the topics? I did my some looking into the trollers on here. I have a pretty good idea how many user names have been used for one guy?????

When those young men are sentenced to prison they will wish that someone would kill them to put them out of their misery. They are going to experience a lot of pain where they are going. The crime they committed is the worst that a person can commit and go to prison.

"Justin you are not that smart. Saywhat was using the word; “ your” properly. He/she was referring to (You) The person, Noun
The form of the possessive case of the personal pronoun you."

Well, no. The way it was used within the context that I quoted should have been "you are" or "you're".

"LOL I am still laughing.LOL Do you even log on this Website to discuses the topics?"

I'm trying but you guys are making it awfully hard.

"The crime they committed is the worst that a person can commit and go to prison."

Well, we both know that it could have been even worse but yes, not by a lot.

Ya'know I have newfound respect for youtube and IMDB users after dealing with most of you...

So...thanks?

“Ya”You are wrong! Justin you are not that smart. Did your mother drop you on your head when you were a baby? Saywhat was using the word; “ your” properly. He/she was referring to (You) The person, Noun
The form of the possessive case of the personal pronoun you.
You are a Comedian, you not only make me laugh, but you won't admit when YOUR wrong. Your NOUUUUUUUUn. Please by all means correct my grammar, sentences, have a ball. lol lol lol lol

Uhhhh...

So how 'bout that death penalty? For? Against?

Excellent place for discussion...

Why would anyone justinigger(seth)and user names; want to spend your days and nights being an annoying piece of shit? You're an idiot. Like everyone doesn't know who you are. I do have a suggesting for you, from the way you talk you're going to love it. Stick your finger up your ass and suck on it. Maybe, just maybe that will shut you up. This is the correct way to use Your, You're. Your not a smart person, a smart ass, but not a smart person.

"Your not a smart person, a smart ass, but not a smart person."

You used it incorrectly again...

Anyway, I see that this was a terrible place to try to discuss this story as most of the people who comment on this site seem to have the IQ equivalent to that of an armadillo and now the comments section of this particular story has devolved into a flame war as a result.

That's why I decided to start a thread on a forum.

Sayonara

I do appreciate those of you who weren't complete jackasses.

(not you saywhat)

Phase 1: Labeling
Phase 2: Being mercilessly ostracized and bullied by the majority
Phase 3: Threatening to withdraw

Justin Go to Hell.Practice what you PREACH “YOUR fucked up.” CORRECT THAT

Phase 4: Passive aggressive impostering to throw others off track.

You know, this is just childish. I'm 25 and this all reminds me of junior high. Its too immature for high school, but with the level of language its too mature to be elementary. How are all you people sure that "Justin" is the "Justin igger" that we have all come to dispise? How do you know that this wasn't his first story he ever read on TCR and he unknowingly picks the name "Justin" and comments? Now he could be, but instead of knowing for sure, people attack him. But he hasn't made any racist or nasty comments and besides the grammar lesson, he has made some valid points, even though it may not be what you or I agree with. Without actually having to sign in, I mean email, password, date of birth, all that you need to actually sign-up and sign in to some things like email, myspace, facebook, twitter, all those types of things, we have no way of knowing who anyone really is! Do you people have any ideas how many "Justin's" there are in the world?! I can think of 10 easily, one of which is my nephew and the other is a cousin. And while on that subject, how many people actually put their real names on here?! Say what, correction, concerned citizen, j, confused, those are all pseudonymes so those people can remain annoymous. While there are more than those I named, even the "names" can be fake!

Like I said, I have no idea if he is "Justin Igger". None of us do. But until he gives me an actual reason to believe he is, I'm gonna give him the benefit of doubt.

Justin,

You may be "justin igger" or you may not be, I don't know. But if you aren't a little piece of advice. But a little piece of friendly advice. Don't become a grammar hound. Most people on here get passionate about a story or comment and tend to type fast so sometimes they don't make sense. I have read a few that have made my brain hurt! The ones that are the worst are the ones that's are all in slang! Try dechipering that! My husband speaks "ghetto" as I call it and I can't even understand those comments! Those are the ons I have a problem with. Yes, they sentence you brought up from correction was kinda hard to understand, but I understood it after I read it a couple of times. Not bashing you or anything, just tryin to let you know that grammar hounds aren't all that welcome here. Most of the mispellings are accidents and people don't realize it til after they have posted their comments.

Now, instead of picking on people, could we actually get back to this story?! I'm convinced that Pete just needs to have one site where people can go to argue over anything and everything! Maybe that will free up the thread for others who actually want to comment on the story and debate.

ahhhh the voice of reason! thanks marie!

Phase 5: Denial by others that a problem exists.
phase 6: The lone social worker or doctor is sent in to bring the problem of the repetative negative behavior to light and fix it after authority has intervened. The behavior has a long history and many people are involved. The social worker tries to involve the other participants in a productive way.

Jadensmokes,

No problem! Its really sad that a site that allows you to comment freely on something quickly turns into people ruthlessly attacking people and their thoughts!

rocki, are we analizing the folks in the story, or the ones commenting here? ;)

I would say more like Rocki is the voice of reason.

I honestly don't think that Justin was Seth or the person that uses all the other aliases. I believe he probably is new to the site considering his immense need to teach us proper spelling and grammar and his lack of racial profiling (like the regular troll). Poor Justin, don't run away so quickly. They will warm up to you soon enough.

Jadensmokes,

I was wondering the same thing. Please clarify as to who you are refering, Rocki.

Rocki, I could not have said it any better. How cleaver, as if we didn't know who this was from the beginning? At least his not posing as LAPD today. Don't you just love his softer side?

You mean the side that doesn't tell me to "stick my dick up my asshole and enjoy" as opposed to the softer side. I don't know, they could be equally enjoyable.

Seth,igger kfc, j, justin, colonelsanders,Rocki, there's more.
Sooner or later you would expose yourself. Do think that you are the only cleaver one doing this all of us are. Sandy, Jane, the only difference is we are not trying to hurt anyone and make people feel bad about themselves. Why don't you do the world a favor and stop using good air.

Seth,igger kfc, j, justin, colonelsanders,Rocki, there's more:
Sorry for the first comment above I did not read what I wrote.

Sooner or later you were going to expose yourself to everyone on this website. Do you think that you are cleaver? You changed your user name because you are a coward? Sandy, Jane and other people on here have had to change their user names because of your sick statements to them;such as the one above. The difference between them and you is that they are not trying to hurt people and you enjoy it. Why don't you do everyone a big favor stop using up good air.

I guess I didn't realize before, but rocki is new and I don't think I have seen say what before. So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that rocki is either Sandy or Jane Wilder and say what is the other one! How inventive!

But I honestly don't think justin was the same we have all come to hate. Wasn't racist at all or had anything nasty to say, which is usually his M.O.

Seth (not confused anymore) It's not Sandy and it's not Jane, but I do know who you are and what you are doing? Hiding behind a keyboard all night and using different user names is getting old. You can run but you can not HIDE.

I know where you are.

lol

I wasn't going to post anymore but I just wanted to say something to saywhat.

Consumed by paranoia much?

Riiiiight; And you were just on your computer on this very website, just at this very moment and saw these comments and you just could not resist. You could not resist because, you have been on this VERY website all night blogging your shit. Who's paranoid?

You?

justin(igger,seth) Your Paranoia is in the depth of that shallow brain of yours. Why don't you check out the statement about Alyssa. The statement I'm referring to will not be hard for you to find, if you haven't already. It describes you to a tee. Happy Blogging!

It's almost impossible for me to tell who is a real person and who is not now. So I'm not going to bother caring anymore.

saywhat,
I am not anyone else and I assure you, I don't think of myself as "cleaver", I don't even know what that is. And no my husband or boyfriend never beat me, I'm not the type of person who would let that continue, so I have trouble understanding those women. I've have a boyfriend hit me before but it really was never an issue, because I hit back.

OT

rocki said:
I've have a boyfriend hit me before but it really was never an issue, because I hit back.

tell that one to the model that got burned up in the trashcan in miami. she must have thought the same thing.

jadensmokes,
I get your point but my situation never got that far. I don't blame the victims but I wish they would get themselves out of these situations earlier. But then, the guy would just get someone else.

you're going to have to do a better job than that b/c I can tell that "not confused anymore" gave no indication that he was seth or justin. I can almost tell who is who by looking at the posting times.

saywhat said: "Happy Blogging!"

Thank you?

Oh, I accidentally left the i out of my name up there. ^

Due to the silly shit with seth, I changed my user name. Jane, I thought I knew what blogger name you are using, but now I'm not so sure. I was trying to warn you, seth is uses a lot of other names. I know justin is one of them. I believe Rocki is to, concerned citizen says no inregards to Rocki??? Rocki just says to many nasty things that seth would have said. So Jane if your out there and I have bullied you, sorry. When I disagree on a topic I get hit with Seth's. Yes thats how I spelled it Seth's

"I know justin is one of them."

Uh, no.

"Rocki just says to many nasty things that seth would have said."

What has Rocki said that was so bad?

I think that you guys just call troll on everyone you disagree with.

Remember you were an LAPD and staying off TCR. Why don't you sick you dick up your ass and fuck yourself. That's right your a bitch.

Justin, I almost agree with you. I do believe that we have been so caught up in the trolls that everyone is thinking that every other poster is one. We have seemed to lose sight of general discussion and debate. If I am correct on who is who, then no, Rocki and J are not the same two and they aren't the same person as Seth. I am not trying to offend anyone, and I may have been played, but that is my belief as of right now.

Back to the story at hand:
To Rocki, for your comment above about the other two, I'm thinkin they didn't get charged with anything more because they turned on the other guy or they pled out. That's just my thought based on what I have read.

Say what,

Actually, I was the one who posted under "not confused anymore" so you are 100% WRONG! Lol oh that's great! You thought you had it figured out, but you didn't, just like me you were WRONG! I'm not hiding and I'm in southwest kansas so don't look too hard! There aren't many towns out here! LMAO oh this is funny! Seth? Nope!

Rocki,

I am sorry that I confused you with Sandy or Jane Wilder. Its just that you were new and they had said they were gonna change their user names. So, if your not one of them, I do apologize.

Justin,

Like I have said, you might be the other justin people are accusing you of being or you might not. But for now, I don't believe you are and will keep thinking that until you give me a reason too (if you ever do). Just ignore those people, post your comments towards others who are debating the topic. Sooner or later they will get tired of you not responding back to them! And if not, it will just make them look childish!

Eighteen Backslashes said:"Remember you were an LAPD"

A Los Angeles Police Department?

That doesn't sound like me...

"Just ignore those people, post your comments towards others who are debating the topic."

Kay but I want to find out why I was a Los Angeles Police Department first.

Justin,

Lol I know, it does sound tempting to find out, but just let it go! They will only confuse you more!

marie heck,
you are more right than you know. I can't believe you were "not confused anymore" You definitely have a better take on who's who than anyone else. The reason I said that I think, "not confused anymore" was Seth b/c they seemed to know too much. The only informed decision I can make is that I don't believe Seth & igger are the same person anymore. But I believe that igger and saywhat are b/c Sandy had made a post telling igger that he was a very "cleaver" boy. And then saywhat told me I thought I was "cleaver." At first I didn't understand but then he used it twice and I realized that he truly didn't know how to spell the word. I think that two others may be Seth and someone else based on the fact that they seem to have much better writing skills and reading comprehension. But rocki is not Seth.

marie heck,
here you go. I made a comment that I don't see anymore. There was a comment made by a Mr. McBeef that was a racist comment and I replied that it had been removed before I replied to it and that it was interesting " a persistent obsession with family guy and fast food." I don't see that comment today either. Now there is this Karen on the Bustamante story telling me she is an alcohol counselor and saying that I am a "simpleton." She comes out of nowhere while am debating with another person. Hmm. Numerous examples of stating that they are in the field (officer, counselor, doctor) continuous quotes from Family guy and references to fast food (colonel sanders) All the same. Are you aware that the name of the inventor of Family guy is
"Seth McFarlane" Ha ha!!!! Now I think we know who is who and possibly gaggy as well.

Ok, so who is who?!?!?! Actually, I don't care anymore! I'm beyond confused now! All I know is I really don't think this new justin is the old justin and I won't til he gives me reason to.

Maria,Rocki, I'm saywhat, big deal if someone misspells a word(CLEVER) I thought seth was posing as Rocki and that'ss why I have been on rocki's ass. For a while I thought it was Jane. If I knew Rocki was Jane I would debate her, but I would not pick her apart like I have. I knew" not confused anymore," was a poser. Maria you crossed my mind, you use confused a lot in your statements. After a while I didn't know. I thank concerned citizen maybe right about Rocki, Rocki=Jane. I also thought Jane maybe Mandy. Maria You have no reason to dislike Sandy and Jane I never saw them attack you. You go right ahead and believe what ever you what about new Justin, I'm pretty sure it's the old one. If by some small chance it's not, he's just a lier. He did say he was igger and an LAPD and he had a family. He also said Fuck you Sandy and Jane. He put that on Dec.2009 When Pete left for the Holiday's. Those statements were taken off. I am going to copy and past his last statement. I have never heard these user names have you two? I didn't say this,but Justin put it on here.
Justin said:
Eighteen Backslashes said:"Remember you were an LAPD"

A Los Angeles Police Department?

That doesn't sound like me...

"Just ignore those people, post your comments towards others who are debating the topic."

Kay but I want to find out why I was a Los Angeles Police Department first.

maria I told you I would find the statements between you and Sandy. For what it's worth I thank Karen is right about Justin, just saying.

Sandy said:
marie heck, we had better stick together it looks like if we take the wrong turn to fast for just one second, some of these pitballs will attack. Most of the time it does not even have anything to do with the topic. You are the same age as my daughter and you seem to be pretty cool to. I love these stories, when I find one I like or has a child involved I respond. I do get carried away, I go with facts and reseach and from my heart. A lot of these people get down an dirty, as if it were them or their family. The Topic=Was this little nut on Antidepressants? Weather he was or not, in my opinion there is no excuss to take another humans life, let alone his little bother. Since his name has been identifed in the news, he will be tried as an adult.
Everyone that blogs on this site should be aware of some racist people. I am sure most of you all ready know who they are. What they are doing is using blogging names like justin igger, seth, bluh just look for the ones that start using dirty names like cunt, fu.. and so on they stir thangs up.

Posted 12/10/2009 at 04:11:49 AM
marie heck said:
Sandy,

I know huh?!?! From other comments your "racist" and I'm a horrible mom! Well actually I'm just a horrible person because I defend my way of punishment for my daughter AND I take anti depressants! Holy crap! The way people act you would think we are worse than some of the people in these stories!

And a lot of people get heated with their comments. If they didn't, I would kinda worry about them. Even if I don't always agree with someone I can appreciate that they believe in and are passionate for something. So no worries here if you get "carried away!"

for the last time, I am not seth/igger. and Marie, I'm sorry if I were nasty at first, number one, reading the comments on this site, I thought that's how everyone acted thanks to assholes. number two, I thought we ended up not hating each other.

But to saywhat/karen, I don't believe that post was from teh same karen. I think that some of karen's & saywhat's posts are being impostered, they can't be fromt he same person. How do you account for these posts?
saywhat said:

"Seth,igger kfc, j, justin, colonelsanders,Rocki, there's more. Sooner or later you would expose yourself. Do think that you are the only cleaver one doing this all of us are. Sandy, Jane, the only difference is we are not trying to hurt anyone and make people feel bad about themselves. Why don't you do the world a favor and stop using good air.

Posted 01/08/2010 at 09:01:11 PM
saywhat said:
Seth,igger kfc, j, justin, colonelsanders,Rocki, there's more: Sorry for the first comment above I did not read what I wrote.

Sooner or later you were going to expose yourself to everyone on this website. Do you think that you are cleaver? You changed your user name because you are a coward? Sandy, Jane and other people on here have had to change their user names because of your sick statements to them;such as the one above. The difference between them and you is that they are not trying to hurt people and you enjoy it. Why don't you do everyone a big favor stop using up good air."

They hardley make any sense so I can't believe the real karen posted them.

I will leave it alone after this but I really think there is a common thread, when you start looking at statements like "sandy and such idiots, shut the hell up, dimwitted applejohn, simpleton," and fast food references.

marie,
this one did not paste but I believe was direscted at you:

saywhat said:
Rocki isn't that why you got out of your relationship, because your boyfriend was hitting you? Oh I'm maybe you said it was your Husband. Hope the next guy will love you for who you are? Good Luck Rocki, we all love you.

All I have to say to that is WTF?

This is not a case of circumstantial evidence. At least one of the killers admits what they did, and there seems to be plenty of evidence on his buddy, so I opt for the needle and the sooner the better. I just don't understand why all four of them are not facing the same charges. Everyone seems so eager to have these guys locked up in a cell for life with Bubba. You think this will be some form of torture, when in reality many of these guys fall in love with their cellmates and gay sex. I'm sure prison is no picnic and I wouldn't want to go there but it is not bad enough, as evidenced by the high recidivism rates.
If we are going to lock up murderers for the rest of their lives w/o parole, then could we at least take away the TV, computers, electronics, access to better health & dental care than most Americans can afford, and strictly limit access to family members. After all their victims don't have any of that in the grave...

What is wrong with the youth of today....nothing better to do than kill something?

Ok its MARIE! If you want maria, I can get my aunt! Two, saywhat or karen or big foot or whoever! You thought rocki was Jane and mandy. You also thought seth was posing as rocki, and not confused anymore you were "sure is a poser", yet it was me. Not sayin Rocki isn't jane cause at this point, I really don't care! But if you were so sure you had it figured out, and you were defintely wrong about not confused anymore, then how can you be so sure "justin" is "justin igger"?

And where justin got eighteen backslashes from was above. There were actually 18 backslashes! I think he just thought it was easier to put "eighteen" instead of 18 actual backslashes.

Rocki,

I'm not sure what you are refering to when you said you were nasty. So far, I haven't read anything nasty from you, towards me or anyone really.

Pete,

Seriously, is there anyway to tell who is who anymore?!?! I'm still sayin its going to come down to people having to people signing in and all that. Hope it doesn't, but this debate is actually pretty annoying!

Back to the story. Pete, have you heard anything else about these creeps? How is the little girl more importantly? Her family?

Marie
I'm pretty sure Rocki and I figured it out. If you read what I stated to Rocki, I explained myself. I knew “not confused anymore,”was a poser. I thought about you. You use confused a lot in your statements. Then I was not sure. Justin I do believe he is igger. 18 backslashes, he is not very well liked and where did that come from? Justin, I believe (igger) changed his MO. He's toned it down for now. As far as making people sign in and out. People will never go for it. Anyone could get your identity.Once your full name and e-mail is on here regardless to a pass-word, access would be easy for a hacker. Pete would lose a lot of people on this Website. This is why this site is so popular because of the anonymity and the freedom of speech. Many times it has been said if a person dose not like what is said go some where else. We all should use common courtesy towards our fellow bloggers.

Pete Kotz said:

No updates so far, Marie, but we'll put 'em up when they come.

There's another article on this out there (but it's older) that states that Spader was the ring-leader and he has a record of violence. Gribble's father even told him to avoid Spader. Spader has a known history of badness since he was a kid according to the article. Last thing he did was abduct his girlfriend and keep her locked in a trunk for several days. He should be in jail for abduction for that but he was never charged. Abduction is a serious felony and has a max. of about 40 years suspended sentence depending on the state. Seems like Spader's family has a lot of money. There's more to the story, probably a very logicall pattern in a seemingly bizarre outcome.

Thanks Pete. I know your good at updating stories. Just kinda wondered what all was going on.

Rocki,

Wow, Spader sounds like a real charmer! Maybe Gribble and Spader are just meant to be sickos together.

Now Marie that's just not nice. You brown nose and play innocent but you keep shit stirred up. Like an old witch mixing her brew. Your broom is in the corner of your kitchen were you left it last night. Your black pot is brewing, frog legs, bat wings, and eye of newt and a whole bunch of nasty statements, that's what Marie is made of.

marie heck,
I don't think that last comment was made by the real karen.

Actually I'm not really as big a fan of cock-sucking as you are of adjectives

This might sound kinda fucked up coming from a 14 year old but they deserve oh so much more than the death penalty, they deserve endless torture, I just want to beat the living shit out of those scumbags. It sickens me to know there are people with that kind of mentality in this world.

I knew Chris Gribble personally. I dated him during Fall of last year. I knew something was weird with him. He insisted on chivalry and got upset when I didnt let him open a door for me. He became clingy. Bought me flowers and presents at an alarming rate. I only dated him for two months, but he freaked me out then. He was a big fan of knives and death. He felt his parents treated him horribly, but from what I knew they were just protective. My heart dropped when I saw this on the news. I couldnt believe this mourmon boyscout army guy was capable of taking an innocent life. Makes me fucking sick.

People like this deserve to die. They are just going to do it again, and I strongly feel that people like this deserve the death penalty.
And ya, now that little girl has to live with this and live in fear and be screwed up her whole life b/c of this.
I hope they brag about this in jail and all the guys there will beat the living crap out of them b/c they have women and daughters in their lives and wont want that to happen to their families when they aren't around.

Rocki,

Whether or not that's the "real" karen, I only got a couple of things to say. I'm not old and you forgot a key ingredient: dragon's breath, makes it all taste and smell just yummy!