Cindy Schwalb's Looking at 90 Days for Cussing Out School Principal

Well, if she didn't touch anyone or any property, how can she be charged with disorderly conduct? That should be the "drunk in public/profane swearing" ticket, shouldn't it? I think she should file a lawsuit against the school for sexual harrassment for her daughter. It occurred on school grounds. If the school didn't investigate it properly, and keep proper documentation, she can.

I agree with Rocki!!! She should indeed file a lawsuit.
My son was thrown out in front of a car by another student when he was about 10 years old, and I wasnt even notified of the incident! This boy is now in jail for molesting a girl. The only thing the school did to this boy that did this to my son was threaten to take his field trip away!
I look back and wish I would have filed suit also!

nursali,
That's terrible. They should have given him 3 days suspension. Isn't that they usual for phsyical fighting, etc. Plus, was he older than your son at the time? Looks like he was a bad kid and grew up to be bad, too. Probably got off the hook many times. Sad, no one cares, now he's in jail getting even badder. The problem just cycles and cycles.

We had a case here in GA where it was found that a parent's daughter was sexually harassed. The parent won quite a bit of money because the school system and building principal did not act aggressively enough in preventing it from happening after the first incident. I'm a retired teacher, but I think this woman should sue the pants off the school system. School systems, boards, and administrators regularly engage in abuses of power, and the public should be made aware of it.

Free Speech bitches!!!! Screw the Principal (not literally) and countersue them

I heard the interview with the mother last night. I think she should sue the school for sexual harassment. Not only for allowing the boy to assault the girl in school but for the principal's comments in relation to the original incident. This principal being more interested in the type of underwear the girl was wearing than the fact that she was sexually assaulted in school is wholly inappropriate.

If this were my daughter and someone forcibly removed her pants in the middle of class while the teacher stood there and did nothing, cursing would be the least of what would happen to a principal that started commenting about her wearing a thong.

OMG,
The principle commented on her underwear? Publicly? She so has a case. There are STRICT procedures that must be followed and documented on sexual harrassment cases and by that fact, they probably didn't do any of it. That kid should have immediately been sent to the principle's office and 3 day suspension. They probably don't do that anymore b/c parents probably bitch about having to miss work. Too bad, control your fucking kids! If my kid did that to someone, they would never hear the end of it. They would be so pissed about it, they would have a fucking phobia of sweatpants.

That is disgusting behavior from the principle. The boy should have been threatened with a 'sexual predator' suit (to scare the sht out of him) and then sent home for 3 days. Or, better yet, because we all truly know that the best thing is to get suspended because then you sleep in, wake up whenever, eat whatever, etc. etc., they should have kept him in class and made him sit apart from the class. Then, while other students are working on fun assignments, he should have had to do busy work, writing "I will never pull down another person's pants as long as I live: over and over again. Or made him write it on the board while the other students were at recess. The principal, on the other hand, should be fired, along with whatever teacher ignored the incident. He should, on top of being fired, be ordered to take a class on sexual harassment, and possibly child molestation, for mentioning her panties! That is just so sick I can't get over it.

Good for that mom for sticking up for her child....Sometimes it seems like schools just bulldoze over parents just because they try to throw what they think is right...when sometimes they're absolutely wrong. I can't say how I would react but I think this woman was well within her first amendment rights for what she did...correct me if I'm wrong though.

The mother broke the law, she commited disorderly conduct. Here are some of the difinitions.

1. When a person is behaving in a disruptive manner, but presents no serious public danger.
2. Disorderly Conduct is any behavior that tends to disturb the public peace or decorum, scandalize the community, or shock the public sense of morality.
3. An act which unreasonably alarms or disturbs another and provokes as breach of the peace.

Sandy H.
Please share with us the site you are getting these definitions from if there is one.

Here you go Rocki, if you like you can also sign in and get more information. My Friend is an Attorney he gave me the Penal Code. I found the informationon the internet.
Findlaw.com CA. Crimes against the public peace. Penal Code Section 415

Too bad that means nothing Sandy H.

What is "behaving in a disruptive manner" exactly. She needs a lawyer, because the law is ambiguous enough where a number of argument can be made.

Just because a law states you can't behave in a disruptive manner doesn't mean that everyone who is arrested for it can't argue that they were not being disruptive at all.

That being said, If I claim that I want complete silence and that any noise is "disrupting me" does that mean I can get everyone I meet arrested?

Its just a way to silence things that you don't like to hear.

I love how my first reaction to this article was to blurt out, "Well that's bullshit". Yay profanity, boo tightasses.

So the mother was inappropriate, but so was the principle. The principle was worse IMO.

I find it strange that everyone is painting this principle as the bad guy, no one knows how this boy was punished for doing this to the little girl, no one knows how this was handled. All we know is the mom didn't think it went far enough for punishment and then cussed out a principle in front of an entire meeting. She SHOULD be charged because that is not appropriate behavior for someone. If she had a problem she should have come to the principle right after the incident and in the privacy of the principles office. This kind of behavior is ridiculous and I couldn't take anyone seriously if they acted like this.

the thing that you guys maybe don't understand about the case is that it is illegal for an adult to use profane or obscene language on school grounds. WHAT?? yes, it really is. I was doing testing for my job at various schools in the LA area and every school had a sign in their office that said use of profanity is illegal. Probably illegal in NJ too. if you google on the topic, you'll see that it's pretty common.

90 days is a rediculous punishment, but turning up for a slanging match is not the way to get what you want. Sure it's what we all want to do, but it's totaly failing to achiving the obvective. Formal written complaints to the highest level win over bad mouthing. Every time.

Talk about blowing a small incident way out of proportion. It seems so stupid to sue over this. I'd imagine the young girl justs want to let the incident go instead it will most likely follow her around until she goes to college and can leave this behind.

The mother should be ashamed of herself and lack of composure. If I was the young girl I'd have been embarrassed from the initial event, but I certainly wouldn't want my mother to flip out in some insane cuss fest. Sure the principal seems like a jackass, but maybe it's time to let this go and move on.

there should be some sort of punishing that boy. In india kids are slapped silly and that is how and why they study and become engineers and behave. this kind of behaviour is not tolerated, i dont beleive in beating up kids but when it is needed it should be applied. kids are sometimes given all the freedom and behave however they want in front of their parents and the society.

ok, 90 days for some four letter words. no bloody way. the problem is that those words arent shocking at all. I know people that use the f word like an um or a comma. If it was just the four letter words that's sad.. for 90 days I would hope for something shocking like a tirade of words that are so profane (as a group) people get physically ill. Four letter words just arent enough.

Stats can be made to say anything sure, but these are from the district itself... So umm, yeah guess what Bolcar you are a dickhead. You've let your school get worse over the past 2 years, and from the looks of the statistics after the kids are done at your middle school they're still doing it at the High School around the corner. SO not only is it getting worse, your corrective actions are having no lasting effect. Congratulations, you are an effective administrator... Obviously not a dickhead. Oh and if you live in NJ and can't take a fucking insult to your face, you can fuck right off across the river.

Totals are representative of corrective actions taken in the Hasbrouck heights school district.
Last Year:

HASBROUCK HEIGHTS HIGH 14 Total Actions taken
HASBROUCK HEIGHTS MIDDLE 7 Total Actions Taken
LINCOLN 8 Total Actions Taken
EUCLID 1 Total Action Taken

This year:
HASBROUCK HEIGHTS HIGH 21 Total Actions taken
HASBROUCK HEIGHTS MIDDLE 11 Total Actions taken
LINCOLN 1 Total Actions taken
EUCLID 0 Total Actions taken

https://homeroom2.state.nj.us/DOE_EVVRS/Incidents.do

Some of you people are ridiculous.

You honestly think it is alright for a boy to sexually harass a girl, get a minor punishment for it (if any), and yet you think that cussing at a school meeting by an adult is horrible conduct and that she deserves a 90 day jail sentence?

Talk about justice.

Chris, To bad for whom? The law is the law. I did not brake it.
"If I claim that I want complete silence and that any noise is "disrupting me" does that mean I can get everyone I meet arrested?"
No thats just silly thinking on your part. Disorderly Conduct is broad. However she was attacting and using profanity that was offensive to the general public. And that you can not do. That is against the Law. If you and I were face to face and we were in a store with other people around and I called you a sob, f...er: Yes; I could be arrested for disorderly conduct. If I were you Chris I would make sure I knew what I was talking about before I opened my mouth. You may want to try that.

Penal Code > California Penal Code Section 415

Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise.
(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

No matter what, both parties are at fault. The mom behaved inappropriately, as well as the school/principal for what they did/didn't do over the pants incident. I'm almost positive that the Mom/daughter will win this case. Sandy; Those types of violations differ from county-to-county, and from state/commonwealth-to-state/commonwealth. I would bet they're not the same in Cali as in Jersey.

@Chris You don't fail to see the irony in wanting a severe punishment for a minor for misbehaving, but when the same adult screaming for this punishment gets out line the punishment her is too severe?

Too me the only thing ridiculous are those that are taking this to such extreme proportions. Perhaps the child was also punished at home. I can't imagine that he wasn't. This woman really needs to worry more about what's best for her daughter at this point than what type punishment this boy receives.

I'm not saying the boy is not at fault, but he is a child, and it's our job to make him know right from wrong, but not brand him with a scarlet letter. The principal may or may not have handled the case properly, but what is the point in arguing over this and dragging it out.

Pathetic how in trying to achieve justice, the laws that we find ourselves existing under continually fall short. Having been someone that was continually ridiculed and harassed growing up in middle school and high school... and the fact that most schools do little to nothing and often dismiss the entire situation by just saying "kids will be kids".

Well I can tell you... that those comments and actions have done lasting damage to me. Much of my childhood I refuse to remember and have forcefully blocked from memory due to the pain I suffered...

And yet, the majority of time, it was not them getting in trouble... it was me.

People then wonder why we have cases like Columbine and Virgina Tech...

I hate this "government" that we live under... its nothing but a farce, and the only reason I find myself still living is to continually laugh at the world; watching as these failed governmental and economic systems we exist under, fall apart more and more.

There will come a day in which justice has been found for those voices that have been silenced, and those voices that can no longer be heard.

SandyH, your state's penal code also discriminates against homosexuals but no, that's OK too. According to you, sexual harassment is A OK, but putting some principal in his place because he fails to act is a heinous social crime that must be swiftly and harshly punished. You can quote the Penal Code all you want to; I can quote other sections from there that will make anyone's hairs stand up. Get your head on straight.

I hope she sues the district and comes away with a big settlement. The principal acted inappropriately; if that would have happened to my daughter, I would not have been nearly as contained as her.

When the sexual offense was committed the boy should have forced to submit to psychological evaluation and counseling before any consideration of resuming classes at any coed school.

he's 13 years old. suspend him or expell him.. believe it or not they are still kids. filing a lawsuit over this is a little rediculous.. but i can see where the parent is mad at the prinicple for not doing anything.. but they are still just kids

What a great civics lesson. We get to learn about free speech, the law, sexual harassment and similar social issues, and most important, we learn that just because someone is a Principal or authority figure doesn't mean they are good human beings or even worthy of the position of trust they have been given. We will learn whether New Jersey's courts really represent justice. Some elected officials could learn about the power of the people if the mother plays her cards right and fights back properly. And the members of the school board and this Principal will learn how it feels to have stress unlike they have had before as they are called for endless depositions, testimony and are required to defend themselves in court.

Everyone wins. Everyone loses. But the people will remember. The Principal knows his neighbors know what a shithead he is and will remember that his first thoughts were reportedly of the victims thong. Many of his employees will see him for the ass he appears to be, not necessarily because of what he did or didn't do but by the way he allowed this to develop, costing the school badly needed resources. The taxpayers will get the bill but then again, they hired him so they deserve a big bill.

She spoke words. Words didn't harm him regardless of how harsh they may have been. She was wrong but she spoke out of frustration that few can blame her for having. He likely deserved those words for allowing her to become that frustrated.

Too bad she plead guilty and didn't ask for a jury trial so we coudl learn about jury nullification. And I hope the prosecutor who didn't have the sense to "no paper" this "crime" is reminded of his waste of taxpayer money at election time.

Mr. Principal, you may be technically right but you are morally wrong.

What fun to watch from Florida!

Seems odd that a few people on here are concerned about the parent breaking the law by cursing on school grounds, yet a much more serious law was committed by the boy against her daughter, and was seemingly ignored by the principle.

The principle then went on to taunt the mom and daughter. If the school is knowingly unwilling to provide a safe environment for students, it seems we have both civil, and probable criminal violations by the school staff. I would aggressively pursue the principle on both ends.

This is for Patty:

They're just kids, huh? If it was your son who violated my daughter in such a way, believe me, you'd want the school to intervene. Because the alternative would be for ME to intervene. And I don't care if he is 13 - I only see a guy who undressed my daughter, stripped her of her dignity against her will.

It would be a very, very bad time for him, as God as my witness.

Just kids... please.

I think they took this way too far. Should have just kicked her out of the meeting.

My god you people are the worst spellers I have ever seen.

A *principal* runs a school.
You *break* a law.

etc..

I think a lot of posters are forgetting this happened in America. Sadly, their human rights laws (which are mostly just window dressing) are grossly inadequate in protecting women and children.

I would have to say that apart from the daughter there is no innocent party in this.

The boy absolutely did something wrong. Sexual harassment is not ok, even if he is young and may not understand the severity of what he did, he needs to be made to understand.
It is the principals responsibility to make sure this happens, and to not take appropriate action is a gross failure on his part, not only as an educator, but as a moral citizen. Making comments about what underwear she was wearing was disgustingly inappropriate and not in a small way also sexual harassment.

On the other side of things, the mother chose the wrong way to vent her frustrations. I have dealt with school administrations in the past, and I can understand the feeling of futility when so many glaring points are ignored for the sake of "policy" but a shouting match is absolutely the fastest way to loose your case. It is like an oppressive government having troops at an opposition protest, as soon as a misstep is made the protesters cause is lost, and the tear-gas comes out. They know that all they need to do is ignore the issue until a mistake is made, then they have won.

First of all, she could possibly be arrested for profanity, but that does not mean she should be charged with a crime. She is protected under first amendment rights for right to free speech. Profanity is protected under those rights. Secondly, I do not consider what she was doing to be disturbing the peace. She did not disturb the meeting but rather was in the middle of it and what she said was very relevant to the discussion. After all, it is her child. Third yes she should sue the principal in his official capacity as well as the county the school resides in.

I will give her some credit; she didn't go in shootin' the place up! We're human, we lose our tempers. I'm sure part of her feels like a jackass! If all she was doing was yelling and not causing harm to anyone, I see no need for her to go to jail. Seems a little extreme.

Did she smack anybody around?

Having been a victim of the system from a very young age, I can tell you you're fighting an uphill battle. But really, The moral high ground is the Mom who was defending her daughter. The profanity was to make a point: to take it seriously. The fact that the school is fighting back instead of working with this family should be a warning sign - there are probably a lot of abusive behaviors that are being defended here not just this woman's case. That would explain the attack against the Mother. The courts should investigate beyond just this incident, there are probably a range of legal violations just under the surface waiting to be discovered.

what is it that the school did? That isn't mentioned in the article. We are just left to assume that the school didn't act appropriately and this woman is justified in acting like a moron in a public forum. Come on people - let's have some intelligent journalism here!

Have any of commenting people (and the Mother in question) ever lived trough the "kid" stage of life? Particularly through the puberty? I'll remind you of what have happened in my school at that age, which is no special place so I'd bet most of you have lived through the same: boys sneaked to look at girls, girls sneaked up to look at boys; by nature testosterone worked its way and boys lifted girls skirts, groped them, pulled their shirts up, ... and in very similar incident particularly testosterone filled one tore girls skirt completely off... Any suspensions or anything but stern yelling, request for apology and note to the parents? No. And that happened during much more moralizing time in the past...
Combine that with the scientific (and law) fact that before age of 18 most of us can't make proper judgment and you get common sense solution.

Modern parents are hysterical bunch. Just look at kids sports and parents there - this is the same thing. Soon they'll want kids beheaded for looking at their precious in a wrong way.

dusanmal... you've got it wrong. Yes, kids will goof around and push the envelope sexually like this, but on their own time, in privacy, where they can come and go at their own will.

The difference here is that the kids HAVE to go to the school, they can't leave when the "games" start, and more important, this was done in front of teachers or administrators. When we were kids, that would have been unheard of!

In my view, when kids feel free enough to strip off a girl's pants in front of the principal or a teacher, that is a breeding ground for potentially more dangerous behavior, because it shows a total lack of control by the administrators, and a lack of respect by the students. Simply put - it's a bad sign. But still, the act itself, if it was MY daughter, and I have a 4-year-old currently, but if it was my little girl, look out!

Anon, Are you nuts? What dose gay rights have to do with anything? As far as sexual harassment goes CA. has a ZERO tolerance on it. I am setting the record straight right NOW. I have never said or would say THIS, these are your words not MINE, " According to you, sexual harassment IS A OK"

I don't usually get upset but when a person will come right out and lie like you JUST DID Aron I am going to tell you, "YOU ARE A LIAR"

KellyStevens,

{applaud}

Very well spoken

Can somebody please answer me this; the story is not very deteailed..... The boy pulled a 13 year olds pants down in from of other students was talking trash, making a bid deal out of it....? Or was it, he just pulled her pants down, everyone laughed, it was over..........?

**Correction**

"making a BIG deal"

Settle down jim, it was a typing error.

sandy H,
Firstly, I am not a lawyer and you have made it quite obvious that neither are you. Secondly, though you have successfully stated the law and asserted its application to the aforementioned situation, you have failed to analyze the text and its utility in the defense. This, aside from the fact that an assault occurred on young girl which you chose to ignore entirely, leads me to believe that you might want to leave practicing law to your friend.

I.

(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another person by loud and unreasonable noise.

Defense: The intent of her use of loud noise was not malicious.

malicous, adj. - 1. full of, characterized by, or showing malice; malevolent; spiteful: malicious gossip.
2. Law. vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purpose.

The motivation and purpose of the loud noise was to draw attention to an assault that had occurred and to seek justice for this crime. It was not vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purpose.

II.

(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

Defense: The words used were not inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction, and did not provoke this type of reaction in this situation.

Now..
The prosecution could argue that the words used were inherently likely to cause a violent reaction, but who can really say what would happen in the courtroom.

Again, I am not a lawyer but after reading your post I felt it warranted a bit of a more analytical response. Thanks.

-Colin

Colin,
I will have to say.. you made your point very well. You put it from the perspective of the law. Flat out. Sandys was a little biased. She wanted to word it and sway it into her favor. I like replies with more intellect and less opinion sometimes. Thanks,

Mandy

ColinCCC, First of all, I do not believe that people are stupid just uninformed. You fit in the class as uninformed. Instead of you reading bits and pieces of statements and responding, it would help you in the future if you read all the material. This will better help you to understand everything you are reading. The reason why the child was not address in my statements is because I was responding to another blogger as to what Disorderly Conduct consisted of. Your theory is sweet, however the defense could say that the mother became disorderly after the incident with her child was since passed.The also could say that another avenue should have been taken such as the legal route. This mother planned in advanced her actions before going to the meeting. Doesn't look to good

Sence ColinCCC, and Mandy seem to think that I for some reason unknown to me could careless about the child maybe some facts will enlighten them.
Hostile environment sexual harassment occurs when unwanted sexual touching, comments, and/or gestures are so bad or occur so often that it interferes with your schoolwork, makes you feel uncomfortable or unsafe at school, or prevents you from participating in or benefiting from a school program or activity. This type of harassment does not have to involve a threat or promise of benefit in exchange for a sexual favor. The harassment can be from your teacher, school officials, or other students.

Under Title IX, a school is required to have and distribute a policy against sex discrimination, particularly one that addresses sexual harassment. Such a policy lets students, parents, and employees know that sexual harassment will not be tolerated. A school is also required to adopt and publish grievance procedures for resolving sex discrimination complaints, including complaints of sexual harassment. This provides an effective means for promptly and appropriately responding to sexual harassment complaints.

I mentioned nothing of your care for the child. I was just raggin' on your perspective of the law. :-)

While I know there are many administrators that don't necessarily do a good job, at the same time that does not excuse rudeness or incivility. If the woman had a valid complaint, attacking the principal in the way that she allegedly did does not help her case. If they were truly sweeping it under the rug, she should have taken legal action instead of verbally assaulting the principal.

I am sorry that her daughter had to experience what occurred, and I am even more sorry for her that she has a mother that does not know how to deal with problems in a rational manner.

"Sandys was a little biased," Your statement is suggesting I have a disregarding point of view for the child. As I said before I was responding to another blogger as to what the definition of Disorderly Conduct was, what is so hard to unstand about that?. You also state, in a negative tone " MY perspective of the law" First and for most it is not my law, this is the law, that is written for all of us. I'm sorry if it does not agree with your opinions. But this is what it is, like it or not. I'm not suggesting that the child was not harassed, not at all. I was strickly talking about the MOTHER and only the MOTHER. Thank you for letting me share.

Two words:

FREE SPEECH

The school has no basis for complaint unless she was asked to leave and continued to cuss them out. What the hell is happening to the constitution and our rights? This country is ripping at the seams.

UNDERSTAND

I try not to bicker with people on here, but you're construing what i'm saying b/c you're getting defensive. I still don't understand how my comment about being biased means you have a disregarding point of view for the child. and first and FOREMOST (i don't understand why you would use that in the MIDDLE of the conversation)I didn't say it was YOUR law, I said it was your perspective; or lets say viewpoint. I didn't state anything in a "negative tone". Very perceptive...you can understand peoples tone influxions in writing. You take things the way you WANT to take them.

Understand

@Sandy H, the law you are quoting is California law NOT New Jersey law so tearing it apart detail by detail doesn't even make sense. Each state has its own law which is in many cases completely unlike the law in any other state.

The mother made a poor choice but it's an understandable choice. This school district leaves much to be desired. That boy would have been expelled in my school district not given a three day vacation... ZERO tolerance.

Also, just because kids used to torture other kids doesn't make it right. Schools are supposed to have ZERO tolerance for bullying and sexual harassment. They've expelled FIRST graders for kissing other first graders... there's no reason that this mother should have expected anything less.

Sandy,
Understand?

I'm sorry, I'm a smart ass; couldn't resist.

sandy H,
I understand what you are trying to say, and its true, I am citing bits and pieces of information and simply responding with what I perceive to be logical and intuitive. Regardless, I still feel that statements such as the ones below describe how you feel the situation should have been handled rather than what the law actually states and if that constitutes the mother as a criminal.

I.
"Your theory is sweet, however the defense could say that the mother became disorderly after the incident with her child was since passed. "

-If you read over the laws and definitions from our previous posts you will see that the time the original incident with her child occurred is irrelevant. What is applicable here are the facts from when the incident of alleged disorderly conduct occurred, and, when the incident did occur, no crime was committed.

II.
The[y] also could say that another avenue should have been taken such as the legal route.

-I do agree completely. Yes, maybe the mother ideally should have taken another, possibly more civilized or bureaucratic approach, but, and again I go back to my original point of how this actually applies to the law; how does this constitute her a criminal? It doesn't.

III.
"This mother planned in advanced her actions before going to the meeting. Doesn't look to[o] good"

-The crime we are dealing with here is disorderly conduct, not murder. The fact of whether the incident was premeditated or not is erroneous. There is no such thing as first degree disorderly conduct, nor second degree disorderly conduct, there is simply just disorderly conduct. This has no impact on what charges are filed against her, nor any use in trying to prove her guilt. So, I don't completely understand the purpose of that final statement, at least in regards to our original posts.

Finally, I may have read your post too quickly and misunderstood it, so correct me if I'm wrong, but if you don't think a crime was committed on the daughter, you need to look up the penal code for "assault" and read it over, because that girl was assaulted, no doubt about it. Actually, I would be interested in seeing it myself. If you come across is please post it because I would love to actually have the hard facts. It may be a bit longer than what you posted before so maybe if you could read it over and post the highlights relevant to our discussion that would be great.

That's all thanks! Oh and Mandy, I appreciate your comment, it meant a lot to me. :)

-Colin

Here is the school email address.

oharep@hhschools.org

Share your thoughts with them...

Arwen ColinCCC,Mandy
First: Mandy I'm not defensive, I'm responding back to a few of you that read some comments and came to your own conclusions of what I am thinking. Mandy You are not a Smart Ass and you have your own opinions as you should.
Arwen; I have no idea where you are coming from, you obviously have not read anything I wrote. You are just repeating what I said in one of my blogs. "Schools are supposed to have ZERO tolerance for bullying and sexual harassment."
And Yes To all of you WEEK-END Attorney's NEW JERSEY'S IS THE SAME AS CALIFORIA?
a. Improper behavior. A person is guilty of a petty disorderly persons offense, if with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof he

(1) Engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or

(2) Creates a hazardous or physically dangerous condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

b. Offensive language. A person is guilty of a petty disorderly persons offense if, in a public place, and with purpose to offend the sensibilities of a hearer or in reckless disregard of the probability of so doing, he addresses unreasonably loud and offensively coarse or abusive language, given the circumstances of the person present and the setting of the utterance, to any person present.

"Public" means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access; among the places included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or amusement, or any neighborhood

ColinCCC: You are one person that you tell yourself something and you believe it. DO you make up things? Disorderly Conduct, first, second degree? I never said that either. Yes the woman did plan to go to the meeting ahead of time, as I said. She should have used the legal route, as was suggested also. Again You are out there in space somewhere. I have posted Sexual harassment, just look up above at my blogs, it's there. Please take the cotton out of your ears and open your eyes and mind. I was never talking about the child's assault. I was addressing her mothers behavior. Oh and ColinCCC, I feel a little sadness for you, I hear a very angry person in your words. I hope you understand what is meant when I say I hear angry words. This Website is meant to share different ideas. If I sound angry I do apologize

Schools do NOT take children seriously, and quite frankly it's ridiculous.

High school IS it's OWN WORLD, and some children do in fact have access to weapons and are IN FACT capable of doing REAL DAMAGE to one another.

Whether it be a pantsing, knife fights, guns, bullies. Children are EVERY BIT as capable of very criminal acts.

Administrations need to get their ASSES going.

Many young girls are sexually assaulted in school.

Video Cameras do not help, the kids are smart enough to find blindspots.
I hate that the administrations don't take this seriously.

Sandy H – If you wish to come off as being somewhat credible… please learn how to spell and use proper sentence structure.

You also accuse others of not listening to what you have to say and yet it looks as if you haven’t taken one word of what anyone else is saying into consideration. Attacking others for being "Week End Lawyers"...like you are any better. Where did you obtain your law degree? It does seem that you have an agenda with your posts and I do feel sorry for you…I am sure I am not the only one!

Another thing, I would be more than happy to meet you somewhere in public to call you a few choice words to prove to you that you are incorrect on what would happen to me for doing so. Last time I checked this is not mainland China and if I want to swear in public then I will…we are still talking about words correct?

Spitting on the sidewalk is also illegal in many states but I would wager that you would have a tough time finding any cases on this or on people using offensive language in public where someone was arrested, fined or jailed. I am willing to bet that if offensive language bothers you so much then you probably do not spend a lot of time in public. That or you tune everyone out (kind of like you are doing in this thread). I think your priorities are a bit messed up.

Wake UP!

She lives in the wrong school district. In Ithaca NY, this mother could win a million dollar settlement against the district for inaction. Yes, it actually happened here! A judge awarded a mother one million dollars in a lawsuit against the school district. The mother thought the district wasn't aggressive enough in protecting her daughter against harassment on the bus.

Anon, My spelling is fine and so is my sentence structure.
Most of what I have posted is information that is copied Laws from NJ and CA. As far as meeting you in a public place that would be very unwise for you. I would chew you up and spit you out. As far as listening to you or a few others. This is opinions, stop taking it personally. Anon there is no right or wrong answer. I was responding to a blogger asking a question on how the school board could file charges against the mother?
If you don't have anything constructive to say and you are not going to share information that has fact backing it up,don't say anything to me. Thank you, have a good day

I don't know why I keep saying it's just OPINIONS. I have never stated my opinion on this subject. I have only given the Pros vs Cons of what could happen. In my opinion the mother should take the School into Court for sexual Harassment. I have no idea about the mother what may or may not happen with her.

sandy H,

"You are one person that you tell yourself something and you believe it. DO you make up things? Disorderly Conduct, first, second degree? I never said that either." - sandy H

-Yes I do tell myself something and believe it, its called self-confidence. I am also always open to learn and change my views and opinions if someone can present logical reasonable evidence to do so. Now, in response to the 'degrees of disorderly conduct' discussion, I presented this idea only to illustrate the irrelevance of the statement to the discussion of the law, not because either of us are making anything up.

"a. Improper behavior. A person is guilty of a petty disorderly persons offense, if with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof..."

-The law says 'if with purpose' to cause public inconvenience, etc., and again the woman's purpose was to seek justice for a crime that had been ignored.

Please tell me why you think this woman is guilty and what law she has broken? Because I understand your opinion about the situation but I still don't agree that your opinion applies to the law itself. Please cite some examples and explain yourself more clearly if you wish to continue this discussion.

And finally,
Yes there is anger in my words and I am aware of that. It is actually something that is often in the forefront of my mind during discussions like this. Unfortunately for both of us this discussion continues to elicit an unpleasant reaction from me, and in my opinion the discussion is quickly digressing and we are no longer talking about the same things. I am trying to discuss the law, and you are posting the law then telling me your opinion.

You say you feel bad for me for writing with ferocity in my words, but I feel that we are just simply on two different levels here.

I would love some outside criticism here. Also if anyone wants to argue on behalf of the prosecution, please do, I would love to discuss it further.

-COlin

Sandy H.,
Thank you for your definitions. And, to add something, "sexual harassment" does not have to be some form of a come on. It can also be harassing someone in a non-sexual way do to the sex that they are. A woman once won a lawsuit against UPS or Fed Ex b/c she worked in an all male shipping area and they called her derogatory names based on the fact that she was a woman, no sexual advance type behavior is needed.

I do not have an opinion about this topic one way or another. All I presented was the laws. How would I know or anyone know if this woman will be found guilty of the charges she faces? As a parent, I would go to the school like she did. I would than write down the conversation, and take it right over to my attorney. I would never go to an open public place like she did , I think it made her look bad. -The law says 'if with purpose' She did however go to that School board with the soul purpose of attacking these people. right or wrong, that's all that I am saying.

Okay Rocki you came in late, go up a few blogs and you will see the definition of sexual Harassment. That has be clarified in Schools, work, jokes, gestures, and the list goes on. You should go back and read it. I have not given my opinion on the child just the mother Thank You anyway

As a straight I believe the school teacher should have taken immediate action and involved the school principal "Edward Boclair." If the Principal was not notified, at the time, there was no action he could have taken. If the Principal made a comment about the girls underwear publicly (as with other teachers while on the job), I agree it would be inappropriate conduct for his job function (despite being a human moment), it needs to part of the Principals files and documented for his review if it got back to the mother.

That said, when the Principal learned of this, three things needed to happen, he needed to check the procedures in how to handle this: Get the teachers and both students statements. With a counselor and attorney, get statements from the rest of the students.

Calls are made to parents, one to the student who did the act to pick up their child and another to the parents to let them know what happens and ask them to come in.

In this case, nothing happened. The school district is screwed...

In the meeting, Detective Sgt. Joseph Rinke, who also sits on the school board meetings, filed the report. School officials said the meeting wasn't the place for Schwalb to express her concerns.

Frankly, the fact an angry mother unloads on everyone in a school board meeting appears meaningless. Sounds like a cops using his badge to try to solve a problem.

The fact that a board meeting is not the right venue to speak about a serious school problem is a problem with the board and not with the mother.

When the system doesn't work or people appear not to care or their isn't a systems at all, this is what happens. Only strong people can change the system and frankly, strong (even profane is NOT unusual). Unfortunately the mother must make sacrifices to get justice and make sure it doesn't happen to others after her daughter.

In my opinion the Teacher, Principal and School District mishandled this. Based on what I see, if the Principal City wants to play this game...it's a deadly one that could boomerang in their face. While the mother was out of line, it was completely understandable under the circumstances and no jury on earth will convict if her explanation is allowed. By the same taken, that action maybe the same one that puts the family and neighborhood on its edge and cause the district to pay out $300,000 and get you fired. I would even say, the fact the COP involved himself has put the city at even greater liability. I think the Principal, by escalating and agreeing with the officer to file the report is going to affected him in ways he never considered. The principal and others were never damaged, harmed and no malicious intent was there. The mother only spoke the truth.

Oh..and one little thing....as long as that mother is breathing and fighting for justice for her child, the entire country will be behind her. There is no chance anything will happen to the mother. The Principal will either be fired or be moved and the student who did it will be expelled if this continues to trial.

This situation is officially "Out of control."

My advise for Collins,Sandy and Mandy (if you are not the same person) is to stop hen pecking each other.

You Go Mom! Way to stickup for your child. The Principal wants an apology from the mom for cussing him out! He should be begging her for forgiveness. His question to her about the type of underwear her daughter had on was a worse offense, to me by an adult, than the stupid childish prank, of the boy that pulled the girls pants down. The kid should have been suspended and so should the stupid principal. What is wrong with the people on the school board? I guess we should give IQ tests before people can run for public office. If I were the judge I would throw this case out of court. It's a vindictive attempt to silence a taxpayer.

I'm sorry Sandy H, but I think you need to read your own posts and try for some consistency.

Everything below is directly quoted from your own posts on this page:

"In my opinion the mother should take the School into Court for sexual Harassment. "
"I do not have an opinion about this topic one way or another."

"However she was attacting and using profanity that was offensive to the general public."
"You are one person that you tell yourself something and you believe it. DO you make up things?"
"Anon, My spelling is fine and so is my sentence structure."

/end quotes

Even a basic spell check doesn't think that "attacting" is a word, was it supposed to be acting, or attacking? Also, you might want to make sure that you don't mess up the capitalization when you're claiming perfect grammar.
There is still a laundry-list of errors (you really need to figure out how homonyms work... "careless" and "care less" do not mean the same thing) but I think that your posts speak for themselves, even if they aren't necessarily saying what you think they are.

fair enough

That Guy ,ColinCCC, Rocki, No You need to read what I posted. I expressed my opinion at the end of my LAST POST AND ONLY MY LAST POST. I never said I had perfect grammar, You said that. Twisting my words to fight some crazy idotic nonsense you PEOPLE came up with over this topic is very strange.. ColinCCC, That Guy, Rocki you have made this into a silly Circus. My post are just what I meant them to say. You are responding to them aren't you. Like I said before 90% is coping and pasting. Why would a few of you people act so ridiculous over me stating Laws in regards to this womens bad behavior? I don't care. Get over it.

sandy H, please stop referring to your utterly moronic comments as blogs. Please check out Wiki and type: blogger. Then when you are done with that, check out Webster's dot com for a small heads up and possibly (or probably) a copy of William Strunk's " The Elements of Style".

Rocki, That GUY, ColinCCC, Anon
OMG STOP! I tried to stay out of this one but this is relentless. Your people are twisting Sandy H's post's around. You have her saying things she didn't say or imply. I have read what she said, I get it. Her statements quote the law, whats wrong with that? Whats so hard to understand. We all misspell things, so what. Here's my take on the story. The mother has a big mouth and shouldn't've acted like as Ass. She should have gone to the police as soon as her daughter told her what that brat did and press charges against the nasty brat. I glad you people are Judge and Jury on this Website for the rest of us. You can attack me all you want, but I'm not going to reply back. I don't fight with anyone; especially hateful people. Sandy H Don't answer them back they are not worth it.

Thank You CC That means a lot to me. I am glad that you get what I posted. CC this will be the last post I am going to state on this topic. CC read the definition of Blog I am posting it. This is what this brain surgeon said about blog (somebloggette). Did these people finish High School? This is a copy and Paste of the definition I found.
web log: a shared on-line journal where people can post diary entries about their personal experiences and hobbies; "postings their blogs. The activity of updating a blog is "blogging" and someone who blogs is a "blogger." I know nothing about Websites, this was my first time on one, these people are scary. I will look for you. Thank you again.

Well the coast is clear. I wasn't sure if I wanted to comment anymore on TCR. I checked out a to a few other Websites and I have not seen any other ones like this one. What is it with some of you people? One of you will target a person, gang up, then go for the kill.
Rocki, That GUY, ColinCCC, Anon I went over the story and all of the statements that all of you including Sandy H wrote on here. Except Sandy H, you peopl are related, friedns or one person. If not there are more demented people in this world then I thought. WoW Glad you people are not running the country! Do you kick puppies for fun?

Here's a case where I wouldn't mind if the mother filed her own lawsuit against the school district for sexual harassment of her daughter!~just to PROVE HER POINT!

Hay man That Guy, your pretty good at picking apart a women behind your computer. Your also good at fighting with women. Your a coward. If you came face to face with a man you would run with your tail between your legs? Go ahead and check my spelling, I did it on purpose Asshole. Rocki ,you are on every story here on TCR. You start most of the fights with people here. You get a war going and slip out of the picture. You have let all of us know how smart you are. You got yourself off anti-depressants,. You go to school, you have told us you have what? BA Maters PHD? Your the greatest mother in the world, you love everyone on earth good or evil. Now you are writing a book? What your best at is starting Shit on TCR

The more I thought about it the more I got pissed off at the shit you assholes were saying. It reminded me of a bunch of vultures picking apart road kill. It took a while and a lot of reading, but I found it. This is the original question that was asked about disorderly conduct? Sandy H answered that question and the feeding frenzy begain. You people are a work of art. I hope you don't sleep tonight.

rocki said:
Well, if she didn't touch anyone or any property, how can she be charged with disorderly conduct? That should be the "drunk in public/profane swearing" ticket, shouldn't it?

John Maken,
Well I'm so glad we have you to tell us how awful we are, especially me "starting stuff" If you would have read everything like you said, you would have realized that people were attacking me on the anti-depressants, stating that they have no effect on people's behavior and the people who do stuff while on them are just pure evil. Now, anyone who actually reads a paper or listens to the news, knows that is pure horse shit. In addition, every time a oppose the view that people should be boiled in oil and otherwise tortured to death publicly for every crime from puppy-kicking and drug addiction to triple murder and everything in between, someone attacks me saying that liberals should also be executed. I actually brought up some good facts about the Flint Michigan DHS on the one story. That bitch alexa keeps picking on me saying that she is smarter than me b/c she is bilingual in spanish and keeps writing these weird spacey posts acting like she wrote the dictionary. As far as writing a book, that was a joke. You seem like you are good at starting stuff.

In addition, some comments that have to do with cock-sucking and so forth have been removed so that when I replied to them, you can't see the original comment. There actually is a guy that posts a bunch of stuff calling people obscene names and then Pete takes the comments off. He also pretends to be other people. Why don't you try some of your police work on him.

John Maken,
There is another comment on another story that says "stick you dick up your asshole & enjoy." You are the very person who should take that advice.

And I take back my comments about this story. I just realized that the 13 year old was wearing a thong! The whole family needs to be given a disorderly conduct.

Maybe alexa can shed some light on this since the "sub-culture" she is referring to is single-handedly responsible for raising Victoria's Secret up to the level of a fortune 500 company.

And alexa,
The "sub-cultural references" you are referring to re your pet name for your granny are actually "cultural" A sub-culture is a culture within a culture, such as the elderly, bikers, law enforcement, college students, made up of a homogeneous group with the same attitudes and rules. The Hispanic and Italian cultures are cultures in their own right, not a sub-culture of America. (No google or dictionary needed.) You may want to take up some reading comprehension and fill your mind with the correct semantics on the larger concepts before digging into the smaller ones. I think you'll be fine, there seems to be a lot of extra space in there.

WOW! Our society is so messed up - we've gone from India to Victoria's Secret to Sandy knows a lawyer (that's the last thing I'd admit to) over what one child did to another! BOTTOM LINE: a little girl was humiliated in front of her peers, the mother was pissed (I'd be too). The judge will hear both sides and make his decision.
So what if she was wearing a thong, this is irrelevant!

This country is getting so screwup....The people who have power are controling our lives. It seems to me we have to hang our head down low and seal our mounth. Where is Justice?

Thank you so much for all of your guys information about how to handle school adminstration...I do have a lot issue on the school adminstration abusive power...Many times I just swallow them to avoid creating problems and lawsuit...

Cinderella, Sandy knows a lawyer (that's the last thing I'd admit to)This is exactly what I am talking about. Sandy H did say she knows a lawyer that gave her the penal code 415. That's all she said. I don't usually talk like this but I'm going to make an exception in this case, your a B****. I don't know why you people pick on one person and turn what they say completely around. Rocki, they do it to you too.
When you read what was posted, you would have read that what you just said is exactly what Sand H had already said. In fact most of the haters repeated what Sandy H had already posted. This is for the people that have a voice
Oh cinderella how does it feel to be picked on? Your name should read ugly step-sister!

If this shit was not as serious as it is it would be funny. Two years ago my buddy went to buy a couple of shirts. We were in the store for an hour, he found two shirts he liked, both of them were on sale(Macy's). The sales clerk rang the shirts up at the regular price ,my buddy told her they were on sale. They argued a while, she called her manager, my buddy and the manager argued. My buddy got pissed off and called her a few choice words. The manager told us to leave the store, my friend keep on calling her names as we were walking out of the store. They had already called the police. Make a long story short you better believe there is a law against cussing and yelling in public. Mike had to be bailed out of jail, he went before a judge, he was find $250.00, and 2 yrs probation. Can't do anything anymore without getting into trouble.

C.C. I don't mean to sound like I don't appreciate you sticking up for me. I thought you said to ignore them they are not worth it, that's what you were going to do?

I was picked on in high school. It didn't matter what I said or did a group of people were mean to me. I come from a middle class working family. I did well in school. When I was 17 years old I tried out for our local beauty pageant and won. My senior year was even worse. Two years later I ran into one of the biggest bullies and asked him why he always picked on me, he said "everyone else was doing it" This is bad human behavior, no one should have to put up with it. Because you and Rocki have strong opinions and they are not the norm you guys are an open target. Weak minded people will say ugly things about others because of their own insecurity.

The woman had a right to be upset, but I am on the side of the school district.

Let a judge decide.

In the meantime, let this lady think about how to behave like an adult in public.

C.C - thanks for your comments. "Penal codes" mean nothing to me, the difference between right and wrong do

FYI - It's 'you're' not 'your' - you uneducated P.O.S.

Ugly step-sister, I go to UCD and you go where? It is obvious that the penal codes means nothing to you.FYI Your statement proves who is uneducated dumb ass.
contraction of you are: You're certain that's right? Example
A form of possessive case of YOU. Example LOL

Oh, really... so when you say 'your a B***' that is proper English, eh? Whatever CC, I can tell you're just an angry woman who likes to attack people because of your own insecurities... What is UCD? Never heard of it. Boston University is my alma matter.

Oh, yeah... U.C. Davis. Got it.

oh, yeah, attacking people in this manner has completely taken away the reason why we are here... Like I said before, a judge will determine what is right or wrong in this case, and it has nothing to do with you or me or what schools we went to. I hope you have lovely evening... and chill out, life is to short too short.

Sandy H. You may be able to copy penal code, but you can't spell the word "break". On the your entry dated 1/15/10 @ 0820 pm, you wrote the word "brake". In reference to breaking the law, the word is spelled "break", not "brake". "Brake" is what you do when you stop a car. Please don't say it was a typo, a typo is when you transpose two letters or hit the wrong key. Although you are trying to impress us all with penal code, you don't even know how to spell.
Get over yourself.
Also do you have children? Maybe what the mother did in cussing at the school administrator wasn't the action you, or many others would have taken, but as a parent it is quite understandable.
What was done to her daughter by the other student was unacceptable and sexual in nature, but then to have an administrator ask if she was wearing a thong is reprehensible and bordering on voyeurism. If it was a valid question, which I don't feel it was, it should have been asked in private and not in front of a crowded auditorium. She was probably pushed beyond the breaking point. As a professional who has worked with unwanted children, I would prefer a mother who cared too much compared to one who didn't care at all.

Thank you, Kelly. I can tell that you are a reasonable person...

Kelly, ugly step-sister, you two nasty bags can do better than that. Kelly you looked though Sandy H's post and found brake instand of break. LOL You are pathetic. There is no way you could be educated or a professional. Sandy H. never said anything about the girls mother not caring about her child. Educate yourself and read the above post you may learn from Sandy H's information, idiot. Ugly step-sister you need to go back to school. As to the penal codes, Ugly step-sister, you know that a stop sign is red but you don't know why you have to stop. That's what penal codes are for.

C.C. Thank you. I did notice that Kelly has not pointed out ugly step-sister's errors. Oh well. This is to funny. Give people information that is copied off the internet and they act like pitbull dogs. The way they are attacking me you would think I pulled the kids pants down. Now these people are making a fool out of themselves.

Okay, I have come to my senses. Sandy H. Needs to be punished for the crime of coping off the internet. She is guilty as charged. She will be sentenced to Death. All of you that do not agree with her coping the penal code, will so be order to shoot her in the back of the head for her crime. Let this be a lesson to all of you, never ever copy off the internet.

To CC,
I am indeed educated and a professional. I have been a Registered Nurse since 1984. What do you do for a living, and don't make something up, be able to actually prove it. On Sandy's comments dated 1/16/10 @ 0306, she wrote "My spelling is fine and so is my sentence structure". I was simply proving that statement to be incorrect. I have read several of her posts and can point out more, but why beat a dead horse.

I didn't call her names or belittle her. Nor did I say anything derogatory about you. You referred to me as a "nasty bag" and called me pathetic. You have also referred to Cinderella as "ugly step-sister". The reason I know that you are uneducated is because instead of stunning us with your fantastic intellect, all you know how to do is insult people.
BTW I was a labor and delivery, high risk OB nurse. I graduated college before I took the state boards, then after passing the boards I became a Registered Nurse. People are not eligible to take the State Boards unless they have graduated from an approved nursing program. I reiterate, what do you do for a living, and what are the educational requirements?

to CC.
you wrote earlier, and I quote "Weak minded people will say ugly things about others because of their own insecurity." I never insulted you or called you names, why don't you read back through your comments and take notice of some of the things you have called myself and others.
I'm sorry that you were teased while in highschool, does that mean it's justified for you to call other people names?

I'm sure I could find some mean things to say back to you, but to quote my kids and the other children of this generation: "that's not how I roll."
I hope that you are able to find a really motivated therapist and the two of you can work out those issues, and you can learn to disagree without being cruel and resorting to name calling.

Again, I just found it humorous that Sandy H. made the comment about nothing being wrong with her spelling, and then I found numerous spelling errors. Being a college educated woman, and being prone to analyzing too much, I simply pointed them out. Sandy H. commented that I didn't point out Cinderella's errors, but Cinderella didn't boast that there wasn't anything wrong with her spelling.

Kelly, I am attending UCD. I could careless how many degrees you have. A degree doesn't make a person intelligent. If you were an educated person and I'm not referring to a book, read her post that she copied on a penal code. I don't get it with you people, she didn't say anything about her opinion. Stop twisting what she posted. I get what she's saying, she answered a question. Who cares about spelling. What is wrong with you people? You need to check out people that have high IQ's on the INTERNET that can not read or spell. Because one can not spell means nothing. There are many a person that have test anxiety that will fail a test, what dose that prove. Nothing

Oh and Kelly when I'm at my appointment with my therapist I will ask the question: Why do people like Kelly bully and attack a person like a band of wolfs?

I'm done with this nonsense. Kelly about my spelling I have Severe Dyslexia. Thank you for pointing out my misspelling. I did graduate from collage. I answered the question on this topic, because I enjoy learning about the law. I am a paralegal. As to my spelling ,You would not believe the technology that makes my job easier. Have a good evening.

Pete Kotz said:

Sandy H and CC are the same person, so it's funny to watch them talking back and forth to each other.

CC,
I guess the moral of this story is, don't stick up for anyone. Get on the bandwagon of retribution Lord of the Flies style lest your grammer & spelling & your very identity be attacked. Do you see the time of the post supposedly by Pete Kotz? 3:17 a.m., that is the time coon boy spear chucker usually posts and I can see wienerschnitzel is one of his posts. We can't be sure that is really Pete, but when he gets back to work today, if it not, I think spear chucker is going to find he went to far with that one.

As far as a person who "cares" about her daughter, WTF lame ass pathetic excuse, waste of space for a mother lets a 13 year old wear a thong to school as her underwear. I am sure this girl has some culpability in this and that is probably why it was done in the first place. I'm the kid who did it
knew she was wearing a thong and that's why they did it. If my 13 year old daughter ever wears a thong, I'm going to sew her name into it and give to my dog to run thru the neighborhood with. That'll take care of that. Loser mother.

Hey Whopper Jr.,
We all know it's you. Why don't you sit back and take a big bite out of yourself.

"Pete Kotz said:
Sandy H and CC are the same person, so it's funny to watch them talking back and forth to each other."

LMFAO!

I'm so impressed that you can read. I can, too b/c I'm a grown-up.

Thanks Rocki, do you think that the ugly step-sister(cinderella) lol is coon boy spear chucker? What dose LMFAO mean? I check Pete Kotz name and it is TCR. It really pisses me off that he said “that sandy h and I are the same person.” I know he has a boss; I am going to try and find out who it is and make a complaint against him. The only way he would know if a person was using multiple user names is if he hacked into their computer or he got into their history on the e-mail address. Either way it is invasion of privacy. He can think what he wants, but I want an apology. Do you know what else is strange? Pete never accused seth justin igger colonel sanders and the rest of those guys as being the same person? Once in a while he would delete their comments, he also never posted statements directly to them either.

I had better put ed on check or I will be accused of ??????????????

Rocki you are too funny. My parents are not to happy with me having a computer. I told my mom about this website and some of the stuff that is said. She tried to act like she was mad at me, but I caught her laughing.

to Pete Kotz I agree with you that Sandy H. and CC are the same person. On the comments that Sandy H. made on 01/15/10 10:32:24 PM she wrote the word "dose" instead of "does" when she wrote "what dose gay rights have to do with anything, and then cc makes the same mistake, on 1/18/10 @ 0643 when she states "what dose LMFAO mean?". That is not a common mistake. The fact that both posters use the same misspelling for that word is a little too much of a coincidence. Also Sandy H. and CC. keep using the word "to" instead of "too".
I also find it interesting that after all of the discussion with penal codes and you trying to defend yourself, now you say you are a paralegal. Why didn't you mention that in the beginning. Is it because you are trying to lend more credence to your argument.
Now Sandy H. says she has dyslexia, when earlier she stated that there was nothing wrong with her spelling.
Sandy, you have been a mass of contradictions.

C.C, what does " the ugly step-sister(cinderella) lol is coon boy spear chucker?" This sound like a VERY derogative statement, I would be careful making statements like that. When you say your parents didn't want you to have a computer, I can see why they don't want you to have a computer. I am guessing that you are very young.

FYI - LMFAO = laughing my f***king ass off

Am I missing something?

The mom clearly did something inappropriate. And, yes, screaming profanities, esp. in front of children, can be considered disorderly conduct.

That said, the school doesn't seem to have responded very well to what happened to her daughter, but that is a separate matter and the mother should have handled it either in conference with teachers and the principle or via her lawyer.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree that school administrations are sometimes tone-deaf, like here, but parents need to start remembering that screaming at teachers and administrative staff doesn't solve anything and in fact causes more problems.

Pete Kotz said:

They are the same person. They have the exact same IP address.

Pete,
Did you really say that? I've never actually seen you name the posers before. That's why I was suspicious it was you. If they are on the same network (I know people said they work together before) they would have the same IP address-and I totally don't mean to be a smart-ass. I don't think you need anyone else to piss you off.

Pete Kotz said:

I usually don't name the poseurs, Rocki, but when you use it to fight a lot and harass the other readers, it's no good. I know you can't keep this stuff away on the internet, but Sandy has a history of fighting with people over goofy things and making weird allegations. I just didn't want her making a new reader feel uncomfortable.

Pete,
Thank you. I believe it's you!

Pete Kotz That's fine that you think Sandy H. fights with other readers. The way I see it as did others, it is ridiculous what has been said about a penal code. And it was copied? Most of those comments coming from people that didn't agree with Sandy's penal code had to be one person. Why were those not taken off your website? No, I am not Sandy H. you assumed wrong. Dose that mean that people that do not agree with the majority, they are fighting? Is Rocki fighting? Or just the people that question You.

Pete Kotz said:

Just behave, Sandy, and everything will be fine. It's really easy to see when you're using different names -- David, Billy Cook, Sandy H, CC -- because they all come up under the same IP address.

I think its idiotic that a parent will possibly face time in jail for cursing. It isn't like she physically hurt anyone, or even has broken a law for that matter. The child who pulled her daughters pants down should have been expelled for sexual harrassment. The fact that he wasn't punished adaquately according to her liking is why I don't blame her for reacting that way. Sure, she could have handled it better, but depantsing her child IS sexual harrassment. Hell, if you pull your own pants down in public its indecent exposure and you can be arrested, so why should this boy get off without atleast being expelled? Or charged with sexual harassment? I'd have flipped out on the principal too. Children shouldn't have to worry about that going to school.

I repeatedly spelled harassment wrong. Sorry, please don't kill me for my mispelling of that word. Thank you. =) (You people crack me up sometimes.)

Pete Kotz, there is no such person as Sandy H, Karen, Kim, Say What, Star, John Maden. I am C.C., David, Adam, that is our real names. The E-mail address is under Sandy00.. and you know the rest. Sandy H her real name is Katie. There are (8) in the same Sociology Class together. The idea was to create one person with an assertive personality. By nature there should have been an equal point of view on different topics from the group as a whole. Sandy H, She needed to have knowledge on Topics, she had to have some type of handicap. To our surprise Sandy H. answer a simply question for a fellow reader. By answering that first question it influence the rest of the responses for the group. When the question was answered by a text copy on the internet, the perspective of what Sandy H. copied had no revince to the question. Regardless as to how many times C.C. Explained it. We brought in other names to help Sandy H out, the other users were over looked. The majority of the group took one person's idea of what they believed the answer was to them, rest of the group followed. The biggest mistake we made is that David keep telling us we need at least two or three computers. So we could not be tracked down to one E-mail address. Our group was cut short, but we have plenty of information to complete our paper. I do have a question for you Pete? Seth may or may not have been using justin igger or some of the other names. You would have had his IP # as well, even if he used two or more computers, you could have tracked him down and blocked his comments. Why didn't you? Why would you let this one guy or a couple of them make statements like he (they) did? Pete, you became the surprise to the end of our sociology paper. Our suprise has become our theroy as to why Sandy H. is a threat to you, yet Seth and the others were damaging to you and to you Website? Thank you for putting up with all of our drama, I could not keep up with who was who. I would like you to answer my questions. If you replay back the same way as this statements above I understand why. If you don't reply back at all I understand.

Our Subject:Largely forgotten are the principles and values; therefore we can not have a peaceful society.

The social constructs people and cultures create to understand themselves and their world. Subjects are family, hostile mobs, individuals that are not normally hostile in nature, organized crime, religion, cults, divisions of race, gender and social class to shared beliefs of a common understanding of unity.
We are interested in the interactions among value, political, social and economic systems and individuals. The fundamental study is the concern of the nature of human beings, the nature of society, and the relations between the individuals that are by nature peaceful, and yet can display volital behavior against individuals in some way that stands out against ones values.

It would have been better had daughter smiled sweetly and said something along the line of:

"No! Stop. Do not touch my clothing."

IF the boy BEGAN lowering her clothing, THEN she would have used as much Krav Maga as necessary, including but not limited to breaking bones, to stop the attack; ELSE she would smile sweetly and say,

"Thank you for stopping. I appreciate that."

After stopping the attack, she could again smile sweetly and add,

"Your attempted conduct was unacceptable and unkind. Please do not ever attempt it again ... N-O-T E-V-E-R!

C.C.,
If I might add, what I see here is not too different from Lord of the Flies, not much has changed since then, you just have mixed in different age groups. If you notice, there are three main categories that commenters fit into, 1.) Leaders who combine logical though with some type of action. 2.) Supposed liberals who will give a logical explanation of the behavior, and 3.) Those simply in favor of retribution. The last 2 are directly opposed to each other. In order to be a leader, you must be able to prove that you would effect a change, just like in an individual, you must have purposeful though plus a course of action.

C.C.,
As far as evil goes, you need look no further than an induvidual human life allowed to life to it's full lifespan. Society was once primitive and uninformed, like a baby. Life was hard and violent, and "evil" ruled the world, (please don't accuse me of saying babies are evil!) in accepted thought and in person, Atilla the Hun, Ivan the terrible, the French aristocracy, the Spanish inquistion, Hitler. But none of these "evil" people could have accomplished their henious crimes without the full support of the masses. "evil" is actions born of ignorance. There are not truly evil people. To label them and execute them is to say that they are a mistake, an abberition, when in truth, they are products of our society. Society grows at a parallel to a single human life, from baby to old age. I would say that society is in the state of a teen right now, because we have a well-developed sense of right and wrong in the "do unto others" sense but we blindly look to authority to make decisions because we are not capable of policing ourselves. We have empathy for others but are obsessed with categories that pertain to the "self", vanity, money, justice, acheviement, etc. To execute those who we deem as "evil" is only to avoid the truth, that as a society we have created them. We think we are as a society doing the "right" things and these people got the wrong message, when in fact, history would show that as a society, we have been doing the wrong things all along and that most people get the right message anyhow just do to the more powerful human survival instinct as a guide for our own behavior. Once you can name evil for what it truly is,(poverty, addiction, frustration, lack, etc.) call it out into the light, it's magical power over a person disappears.

C.C.,
You can definitely add fear to that list (per the famous quote "we have nothing to fear but fear itself"

We are all born into a society with rules and expectations that has been created without our knowledge or our consent waiting for us to to feed it. Some of those who didn't get anything in return may not be so willing to give of themselves to society.

Rocki, The groups went as follows: there are 5 groups of 8 people in our class. Our group; Two of us were on shifts at any giving time,characters would vary; we would however try to maintain the charters integrity. What was interesting is that in society's we need leaders as you said. If you have a small group of people that do not conform to society's rules(leaders)the group or individual is ostracized. If I may, I would like to explain. Sandy built a reputation, Pete (leader) had a negative response towards her. No matter how hard she tried to agree, use logic, mimic the other users postings, even go so far as to copy text information and with the help of star, Karen;etc.... she was attacked by the other bloggers.(Bloggers subconscious needed Approval from the leader).All Individuals have their own values, principles, ideas, polices,believes, religion etc...However when a leader or self proclaimed leader approves or disapproves of an idea or actions for the group as a whole, there is no longer an individual thought it becomes the leaders thoughts and actions for the group. Jane you stood by you volues , believes etc...., we came to agreement that you are a leader as well. What I have been rolling around in my head, we all have free well, why do we give it up so easily?

My real name is Cinthia, nick name: C.C.

(Values began =spelling errors)( we came to agreement that you are a leader as well.) Sorry Explanation: Our group meaning, the Website TCR blog, has limited direction for it's society leader (pete). In order to follow the lead as a group there needed to be a substitute leader if you well. David, Katie, Ann and I believe you were that person. We also realized colonel sanders struggled with you for the position of authority. Unbeknownst to you. You started the topics and ended them. You seem to be the strongest individual in this small society group. We have been on other websites(blocked from some of them) we have been in different social settings and the out come is usually similar? Sorry it was not explained better.

Well, all I can say is that none of operates in a void. You have to account for the extent of stressors and the limit of a human being. The fact that you kids are smarter than I am gives me hope. I am shocked that you know who I am. This is the best birthday present I could ever hope for. Today is my birthday and I'm twice as old as you. I realized that karen could not be a real person. I guess you have to suffice it say that if you give up free will, you give up your right to survive. Thus, THE question, to be or not to be.

C.C.,
You could look at it this way too. If you look at the Christmas Carol, "Good King Wenceles" you will parables about what we call "the generation gap" the king needs his page to tell him what is in the world and the page needs the king to tell him what to do with it. They need each other like rain needs ground.

Rocki (Jane) Happy Birthday From all of Us.
Jane, I had fun back and forth with Seth, colonel sanders and Justin; I don't always tell these guys what I was up to. lol From: Katie

Wow! Kids really are smart! You all have single-handedly renewed my faith and amazement at life (and it doesn't come soon enough considering my age!) Give yourself the night off. You done your community service for this week.

Firstly, the mother committed NO crime -- she merely exercised her First Amendment rights to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, and freedom of expression. Speech is protected under the Federal and State Constitutions.(Read U.S. Supreme Court cases on freedom of speech! There are so many....) The principal is abusing his authority and public position and should be immediately FIRED and replaced. Then the mother should immediately file a lawsuit against the school, principal, and idiot prosecutor (for misapplication of laws and prosecutorial abuse.)

She only commited the crime of disorderly conduct