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UPDATE:Two students are expelled from South Hadley High, and it seems a number of others have voluntarily left. See updated story here. ![]()
Her principal called her smart and charming. And a boy had just invited 15-year-old Irish immigrant Phoebe Prince to the winter cotillion, the height of the social season at South Hadley High School in Massachusetts. But then police received a call.
It came from one of Phoebe's sisters. When cops arrived, they found that the freshman student had hung herself. Two days before the big dance.
Though they're not releasing any details, police say she was a victim of cyber-bullying from girls at the school who had an unspecified beef with her over who she was dating.![]()
A sister found 15-year-old Phoebe Prince hanging in her home
This wasn't just any case of high school girls behaving badly toward one another. Phoebe apparently faced an onslaught of bullying via texts, Facebook messages, and in person at the school. Even after her death, the shitty little girls left disparaging messages on a Facebook page created in her memory. (See the memorial page here.)
"Apparently the young woman had been subjected to taunting from her classmates, mostly through the Facebook and text messages, but also in person on at least a couple of occasions,'' school superintendent Gus Sayer told the Boston Globe.
Two students have already been suspended, and more could be on their way to discipline.
It was an especially tragic ending for the Prince family. Anne O'Brien Prince and Jeremy Prince had moved from County Clare to Massachusetts with their five kids last year. In Phoebe's death notice, they said they moved in part so "Phoebe could experience America.''
America, it seems, did not give her a very kind welcome.
UPDATE: It seems Phoebe had the misfortune of running afoul of the popular girls at South Hadley High.
You know them from your own high school: They were the pretty girls who played sports, were in cheerleading, and used their good looks to date all the name-brand jocks.
Phoebe Prince wasn't one of them. She was a freshman, had just arrived from Ireland. No way she was cool enough. She also had the misfortune of briefly dating a senior football player. The popular girls thought she didn't know her place.
So they stalked her and called her a slut -- to her face, over the phone, on Facebook.
She was walking home the day she died when one of the vile little girls drove past. She chucked an energy drink at Phoebe and threw more insults the Irish girl's way. Phoebe promptly walked into her house and hanged herself in a closet.
Even after her death, the popular girls wouldn't let up. They were like some vicious little caricatures of evil from a Lifetime movie.
According to a great column by Kevin Cullen in the Boston Globe, a student at South Hadley told a TV reporter that bullying was a common problem at South Hadley High. After the TV crew left, one of the popular girls came up and punched the student in the head for talking on camera.
UPDATE II: South Hadley officials faced a blistering attack last night for their failure to do anything about chronic bullying.
Parents recounted numerous incidents of kids being hounded and harassed, sometimes over multiple-year periods. One man told of how his son was punched in the stomach for befriending another bullied kid. A mom spoke of how her son was punched and had his face written on with magic marker.
Other parents talked about how they were beat up in school in the '90s. And most seemed to think administrators turned a blind eye to it all. Father Larry Bay said his daughter was bullied last year, but the school did nothing to stop it.







I'd say she DID experience it.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 12:49:49 PMI wonder what kind of a parent raises such shallow, non-thinking, eltitled pieces of human garbage.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 01:24:43 PMGirls can really be horrible, I can't imagine growing up in today's world, there is no escape from bullying, it follows you home via the internet, texts, cell phones, etc.
At least in my day, if you were having trouble with certain kids at school, when you went home for the day it was generally over. Yeah they could call your house but most likely a parent would pick up first.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 01:47:22 PMQuote: "It came from one of Phoebe's sisters. When cops arrived, they found that the freshman student had hung herself. Two days before the big dance."
A person cannot be "hung", a person is "hanged". Please speak english properly.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 02:33:33 PMGod that's so awful.. that poor girl. I hope those girls get charged with manslaughter at least. Sticks and stones can only break bones but words can shatter a soul.
My heart goes out to her family and boyfriend.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:02:47 PMI wish someone would publish the names of these women, so we could put together a Facebook or Myspace page dedicated to the cause of allowing people to tell them what we really think of them.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:04:48 PMOh, Tom, get over yourself. I'm pretty sure you understood what Pete was saying.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:09:23 PMUnfortunately suspension from school for these little bitches is nothing but a glorified vacation. They need some real punishment. I hope at least they are feeling some guilt for this. Kids can be so damned cruel to other kids. They do it so they can feel better about themself. Kids need to be taught to get their validation in other ways besides belittling others. This society is so screwed, I'm kinda glad I'm in my twilight years. I don't know how much more I can stand by and witness the downfall of civilized man.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:15:17 PMUnfortunately, jadensmokes, I doubt the girls in question are feeling any remorse at all. It's simply not a part of their society anymore. If there are any consequences at all, I'm quite sure their parents will be more willing to cough up the money for a good attorney, rather than actually beat the snot out of them as they should have years ago. Too many parents are too protective of their charming little angels, seeing no possible wrong in them, instead of teaching them true right and wrong, and how to accept the consequences of their actions.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:40:22 PMThey should just drop a bomb on that whole snobby, privileged little hick town.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:00:47 PMFrom what I read on other sites, the bullies were also angry that the guy one of them liked asked Prince to the dance.
Disgusting that the school allowed the winter dance to go on as planned, just two days after the suicide. Why not cancel it as a gesture of mourning...or, better yet, as punishment? In fact, why not get rid of it completely? Kids obviously cannot handle the intermingling of social hour and academics -- especially since their parents are disinterested in teaching them how to behave like civilized people -- and the school clearly cannot handle the fallout from bullying situations, which are exacerbated by such jealousy-inducing events.
Enough is enough! Let schools be places for learning...not some ridiculous haven for dance "royalty" and other vain displays of petty social hierarchy. Kids are nasty enough as it is; we don't need to fuel an already blazing fire with school-sponsored social time.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:08:20 PMGo here and start your detective work..
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=252557541369&ref=mf
Some clues may be in the DECLINED list.. start reading all these vain idiot kids Facebook Walls.. names are revealed.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:45:28 PMPhoebe had the misfortune of attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
Had she been in a private school, this type of sick behaviour would not have been tolerated. Her father and mother could have met with the principal, gave evidence, and the school would have been responsible for kicking out the perps.
Public school? Oh, after she's dead they release nice statements: "She was smart and charming." great. Thanks for that. And, after death, 2 of the sluts are 'suspended'. BFD.
Everyone associated with this hell hole called a school should be embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted with themselves. Fuck 'em all.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:49:06 PMThose little snobs will one day be fat and ugly. They have no way of providing for themselves because it looks like they get away with everything. Age is a bitch, baby. Once they reach a certain age (24,25) they are no longer the focus and will cry themselves to sleep each night b/c of it! I wish I could go back to high school and slap every girl who treated me that way. In truth, they were skinnier than me so I probably had the fighting chance. But I was scared to be embarassed outloud. Granted, its not compared to what happened here, but they should all just rot. I bet they were jealous as hell of a pretty irish girl in plain ol' america. I would rather live in Ireland anyday but that is just a dream.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:28:49 PMI literally started crying when I read this story. Being 25 I can still remember how very cruel high school was and that was actually one of the reasons I dropped out. The principal wouldn't do anything about it and told my mom it wasn't his problem so she told me it was my choice. I couldn't eat, I could barely sleep, and every day I wondered what kind of harrasment I would have to deal with. It took a toll on me mentaly so I decided to drop out and get my diploma thru the college. I regret it sometimes, but most of the time I'm grateful I got out of there. If I hadn't I don't know what would have happened.
How sad that this family came here hoping their children could experience American life. They probably had no idea how cruel children, especially girls, can be here. And I'm sorry, but that girl was just beautiful. I don't know her, but she looks like she was beautiful inside as well as on the outside.
When I picked my daughter up, she asked me why I had been crying. I told her that I had read something that made me very sad. She gave me a huge and kiss and told me she loved me. I felt better, but then I thought what life is gonna be like for her as she gets older. She is only 4 and in preschool, but kids are already cruel, much more cruel than I remember being that age. I heard one girl call another one fat and make fun of her clothes. The girls especially at the dance "school" my daughter goes to are cruel. Not so much the little ones, but the older ones, the "role models".
It just breaks my heart hearing about these stories. Not only did I suffer in high scholl and one of my closest uncle commited suicide, but it just scares me. It scares me for my daughter and my 3 neices. If it was bad when I was younger, its worse now, what is it gonna be like in a few years? Even now my 7 year old neice thinks she is fat because everyone is skinnier than her, and she isn't! I tell her that God made you the way he wanted you and never let anyone tell you your fat, ugly, stupid, or anything else cause we love you and God loves you.
There has got to be harsher laws when it comes to this. That "mom" pretended to be a boy on myspace and got her friend all excited then "dumped" her and she ends up killin herself. A girl sends pictures of her breasts to a boy (yes a little stupid), he sends them to people, they make fun of her to the point she can't take it anymore and hangs herself. And that's only 2 stories that come to mind. This is going way too far. They need to do something so that the people involved are punished, not given little vacations aka suspensions. The law needs to get involved.
Sorry for ranting, but this is just horrible. Those girls that did this may be the prettiest things in the world, but inside they are just hideous.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:44:20 PMThose girl's are low life pieces of shit. I don't understand how they are still in school walking among other kids. They deserve every horrible thing that is out there. Rest in Peace Phoebe. Everyone is going to miss you a lot.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:46:14 PMWhat a shame. Phoebe was a beautiful young lady. These girls should be severly punished. It seems that we can no longer control our children. With every generation they get more out of control, more disrespectful, and lazier. They all seem to think the world owes them something just for being born into it.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:51:21 PMKPR,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:58:00 PMThe issue is not whether the school is public or private. The issue is whether this type of behavior is tolerated by the BOE, community, school officials, and teachers. I'm a retired public school teacher. We never had these types of problems to this extent at the school where I worked because any type of harassment was expressed forbidden and punishable by immediate suspension.
@rocki - I can tell you exactly what type of parent raises this kind of child. It would be the parents that were also spoiled as children and were also non thinking, self entitled pieces of human garbage whose parents had way too much money for their own good and didn't spend enough time raising their children. They just gave them what ever they wanted. So the cycle is repeated. End of story.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:58:24 PMmajii,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:14:50 PMExactly, you said it. "any type of harassment was expressed forbidden and punishable by immediate suspension" it IS a metter of public and private schools. Nowadays the public schools are running rampant. The sub-par teachers with their unionsare able to be just that, sub-par. A teacher nowadays can be a lousy teacher that doesn't have the students education, safety, or best interest at heart, and they will still keep their job, why? Because they are part of a teachers union paid for by the government. If teachers were more concerned with the education and well being of the students, they would be a good teacher, if they didn't care what happened to the students chances are the parents wouldn't want their child going to that school and the teacher would be fired. In a private school the teachers give the students more attention, and they are more involved with what goes on with their students, this behavior would have been stopped early on. I say it's just as much the public schools fault as it is the parents of these little skank offspring. Get teachers in there who will do their job of educating and protecting the children while they are in the school and let the parents protect their children when they leave school. Bullying is going to happen no matter what but a significant amount can be squashed if the teachers actually cared enough to do something when the children are under their care.
If the sick jealous trash are underage won't their parents be responsible for their bulling on the internet? Will the parents have to pay fines? I am going to check it out to see if there are laws against this were a minor is concerded. What about the nasty brat that punched the other student? I think the school should be sued, they knew what was going on, they have had this problem in the past
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:29:03 PM.marie heck, have you ever run into those people that harassed you in school? You sound like you have done well for yourself, your well spoken, you have a nice family.
Here's another point, why do all of these kids even have cellphones? It wasn't all that long ago (11-12 years ago) that I graduated from high school, but I only knew of 1 or 2 kids that had cell phones. All these kids with their iphones, and texting 24/7 is part of the problem. PARENTS if you are paying for your child to have a cell phone keep tabs on what messages are going to and coming from your kids phone (yes you can monitor that stuff). Another problem is these damn social networking websites, seriously people LIVE off of these websites and it's pretty pathetic. PARENTS, if your kid has a facebook or myspace account, monitor what they are doing on those sites! If your kid is being a little asshole take their phone away, take their computer away, if your kid is a prick, punish them! Geeze if I acted like that to someone else when I was a kid, my parents would hand my ass to me, and in doing so they would also teach me how and how not to treat someone, right and wrong. Why do these kids even need to go on a social networking site? everyone they know they see everyday in their neighborhoods or schools, they can't wait until the next day to tell someone something? Or they can't just pick up a phone to call someone?! Sure when you get older you want to keep in touch with your childhood pals, I understand that. But these social networking sites make it easy for these little cowardly shits to say horrible things they would normally not have the balls to say in person, then everyone else sees it and starts to chime in creating the snowball effect.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:31:16 PMAwe Jadensmokes,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:44:06 PMDon't be so "jaded", I think Deepak said it best when he said
" ice cream hasn't changed, you have."
A person can so be hung. Just ask my wife.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:48:16 PMTom,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:51:31 PMWho made you the english police? Does it make you feel big and important to correct someone you dont even know.
skeptical said:
"What a shame. Phoebe was a beautiful young lady. These girls should be severly punished. It seems that we can no longer control our children. With every generation they get more out of control, more disrespectful, and lazier. They all seem to think the world owes them something just for being born into it."
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It's not the kids dear.. it's the parents raising them. Not all parents, but majority of parents now-a-days have no morals and it's truly pathetic!!
RIP Phoebe!
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:56:00 PMA good punishment for children and their parents that use communication devices to bully, with proof gained when law enforcement gets internet and/or phone carrier records, would be to ban the entire household from having cell or internet service for a penalty period. Identification of source is easy these days if the cops have any skill level in such matters. These kids need consequences and by the looks of how kids love their social networks and cells, it would be a good deterrent. There should also be a charge at some point that will appear on their record. How many colleges would want some kids with an harassment record at their school?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:57:35 PMTom,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:57:39 PMI agree with everyone else. Hung is a word with the had in front of it. Past particible... But if social networking sites cause this much they should just shut them down, or check messages before sent! If you can put Facebook and Myspace on TVs and phones I believe you can check messages....
It's completely appalling that these people remorselessly drove someone to their death. They should all be subjected to unheard of tortures, or hideously disfigured and forced to live.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:58:30 PMI'm actually more upset that no one properly informed this girl that as long as your alive good things can come your way, and not to let a bunch of cunts rain on your parade, and all the hope someone can shatter in your teenage years can be replaced with real meaningful feelings. She had no one to turn to at all?
This ruins my "people get what they have coming" concept, and shakes the foundation of my faith. I assume this girls death is those girls punishment, and none of them will get the message. gross.
Be VERY curious to see if she was on anti-depressants...these nasty drugs do correlate with suicides.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:58:39 PMThis is an awful thing to happen but I can't help but think that people are missing the point a little bit.
Bullying, isolating the 'different' people so they can be picked apart by the herd, this has been a core part of human behavior since we were apes banging sticks together in the jungle. This is one small aspect of what human social interaction looks like.
I'm not saying it's OK, not at all, I was bullied a lot at high school and I'm sure it's had a serious effect on me throughout my life.
But it's simply not possible to eradicate it via punishment. I do believe that a model society could eliminate this behaviour by example but such a society has never existed and the society we live in is impossibly far from that ideal.
Short term, then, we have to educate kids on how to cope with what will inevitably happen to them at some point. Why did this girl not communicate better with her parents, sisters, or friends? There's something wrong when she has so little support around her that suicide seems like the only option.
The vast majority of kids will never contemplate suicide seriously because of bullying, the ones that do have some mental health issues that leave them more vulnerable than most.
I think an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure, somebody needs to train parents and their kids how to recognise the signs of an impending tragedy and take action to prevent it.
Of course, specific instances of bullying need to be punished where possible. But that's never going to eliminate the problem, parents need to take the possibility of their child being a victim more seriously.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:59:29 PMTrue bullying is part of human behavior no matter how you look at it, and it's also an important part of growing up and learning to defend yourself and others who can't defend themselves. But the ways of bullying are evolving with the ages. When I was a kid, if someone was bullied it was face to face, and you either ignored it, or stood your ground, all in all it was over sooner or later. These cowards today hide behind the safety of their "screen name" and their cell phone. I don't think it's fair to say something was wrong with her because she didn't communicate with her family better regarding this issue, yes it's a shame she didn't but everyone is different, and everyone reacts and handles stresses differently, yes she should have talked to her family, but at the same time it should have never gotten to that point to begin with.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:12:27 PMThere are some pretty hairy laws against bullying. What most of us as users are doing is bullying one another. It is against the law. WoW.
No dirty lanuage, no racist comments you know the rest.
Authorities take cyber bullying very seriously. So, before you dash off an angry e-mail or post a cruel comment on another person's profile or blog, stop and think first. You may save yourself from a lot of legal and disciplinary problems down the road.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:15:10 PMShe should have stayed safe with us in the Emerald Isle.
You will be missed Phoebe. The bitches will never forget you, and neither will we.
Ar dheis dé go raibh a anam.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:25:12 PMAlthough I found the article to be informative, the writers grammar and poor wording took me out of the story. He used some weird analogies and most of the things he said seemed like the kind of thing a 12 year old would right. This isn't meant in a mean way, just as a bit of constructive criticism, when you are writing about something as tragic as the death of a young girl, you don't need to rely on cheap metaphors and comparisons.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:27:03 PMI always hated the pretty popular girls. Many of them are bullies. I wish someone would burn them and make them eat ashes.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:33:11 PMPlEASE someone find out the names of these girls and post it along with pics if possible. Let's make sure they are haunted by this for the rest of their miserable lives!!!
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:43:55 PMKids these days are big pussies. I don't exactly remember anyone killing themselves over being picked on at school. QQ
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:44:56 PMOk this story is ridiculous. I can relate to this behavior being tormented in high school, but you don't buckle under the pressure and take your own life that's pretty insane when there are people living in third world countries or surviving natural disasters who learn to cope.
From a clinical standpoint it wouldn't surprise me if this girl had prior emotional and psychological problems...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:47:12 PMCall the cause whatever you want. Public school, bad parenting, media, the individuals themselves. But honestly, it more or less comes down to some jealous people acting in a way they were never taught otherwise towards a person who no one would stand up for. Everyone and no one is to blame.
Sadly, it's all irrelevant. This poor girl had a lot taken away from her. I feel bad for people driven into a corner like this. Whatever the afterlife is, heres hoping it treats her better than this. RIP.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:47:55 PMTom, you're a faggot. Is that proper enough english for you?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:52:20 PMpain is part of life...I agree with mr. anonyous, get over it..she had an "out of her league" guy and a family. bitchy girls really worth taking your life because you cant weight what you have against the bullshit..taking your life, or solving problems by taking someone else's is simply weakness. there are also evil people who are not hot. fucking toolbags hating on popular girls
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:54:18 PMTom: you are a fucking idiot if the only thing you get from this story are the typing errors. Don't be such a pompous asshole; You may write things correctly, but you also have no friends to talk to.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:58:19 PMIsn't it great when the internet hate machine starts churning?... Sad people are sad. Enjoy the machine, Greg.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:59:38 PMSadly, it is unlikely that criminal charges will amount to much even if they are brought. It could be as simple as assault because proving her death was a direct result of these pathetic creatures' actions beyond a shadow of doubt will be tough. Every other problem she had will be trotted out to explain her suicide....and face it what teenager doesn't have problems.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:59:51 PMThe best chance of punishment lies in the civil courts for wrongful death. The standard of proof drops to "more likely than not". But the punishment will be meted out against the parents (and/or their insurance carrier). There will be no justice here.
Fred, you're the "fucking toolbag" do you really think these people are "hating" on popular girls? seriously, how old are you? Sure there are evil people who aren't hot, and we don't even know what these other girls even looked like. Popular or not these girls were a bunch of little cunts that didn't like the fact the new Irish girl was getting a little attention. Is any of that worth taking your life? No I'll agree with you there but it's the fact that it happened, and what's worse is even after she killed herself, they STILL kept talking their shit on their precious social networking site. That shows you what complete pieces of shit your "popular girls getting hated on" are.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:02:28 PMThis has happened time and time again; why is it that the perpetrators only get 'suspended'? They drove a human being to suicide - how is that not a jail-able offense? And 'bein a juvenile' or whatever isn't a defense - they knew exactly what they were doing (hence them continuing their onslaught after the death). Not only should the offenders be jailed, they and their families need to be psycho-analyzed so as to fix this problem.
I'm aware that school administrators can't check up on every single student every day, but something needs to be done proactively, not after the fact. A school essay I've been reading talks of the passiveness of us Americans, even in the face of opposition; we believe someone else will fix the nuisance for us, someone will step up for us, some one will etc. This attitude is imparted at home and confirmed at school - keep your mouth shut and head down and everything will be okay. Evidently this theory is incredibly faulty, and school districts need to take note: teach your students to be real people: to treat others with courtesy, and report those who blatantly do not.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:06:57 PM@tom:
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:07:28 PMit's a tragic story and all you could muster was an english lesson? what kind of an @$$hole are you?
@KPR ..."KPR said:
Phoebe had the misfortune of attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL."...
You're kidding, right?
After attending both Public and Private during my time at school, I found both to be just as cruel and unforgiving to the students that found them selves out of favour with a particular group, as well as a culture of societal class bias, racism, alcohol and substance abuse.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:11:29 PMMr. Ryan,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:13:59 PMpoint is that no matter how you look at things, work suicides, or school related. Suicide is a weak way of dealing with a problem, and apart from a few figures in history that gave their lives for true justice, as jb said "there will be no justice here," and why should girls have to face charges from something that happens to EVERY person. the world turns, Big people stand up for little ones and thats what someone should have done in this situation. the girls that taunted here will get their turn but she hurt people who fucking loved her..not just who bullied her..
all girls are bullies and bitches in high school.. it has been the same for decades.. it will never change
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:14:31 PMThe girl was very pretty. And she had one delicious accent. That would make her differences charming. And to the girls that were jealous, it must really have given them the incentive to do what they liked doing.
These girls must really have had such interesting parenting. If any. What must it be like to feel so entitled to do and say whatever they liked? What empty women they have become. What a lack of decency and social conscience. The fact is these girls will not change. A persons character is formed by the time they reach nine years old. They are what they are.
And you have to wonder just how much blame their parents or the girls will accept. None I would guess. I can just hear them now. 'It was not my fault." "Or it was not my daughters fault. The girl must have been unbalanced." etc.
We see constant examples of the unremitting harassment and bullying and what it can lead to. Even if this poor girl had been sorely tried, since we never know just how fragile anyone is, it behooves us to take care not to try and destroy anyone.
These girls have formed into something ugly and pathetic. I don't care how popular they are. The kind of lunacy and despicable conduct show how they will function in a society already rife with inhumanity and cruelty. They will fit right in. As for their parents who raised them with such shallow and surface values, I wonder how much blame they might want to take on. There is no way for these creatures to make up for causing this girls death. What kind of boys would date girls like these? And what kind of school could consistently allow bullying.
If any school takes them in, or this school takes them back, they are accessories to this conduct. The article says this school is home to bullying. A record of this kind of abuse. If I had a child there I would take them out.
I hope this girls parents sue the school, the school board and each of the girls involved. It will not bring their beautiful daughter back. But it will reach these people in the only way they understand. Money. They have no ethics or conscience so hit them in the pocket book. All of them.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:20:27 PMFred,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:22:24 PMI completely agree with you that she hurt people that loved her. But she was a 15 year old girl, someone that age and lack of life experience doesn't realize the impact of something like that on the people around her. The girl should face charges because there is a difference between picking on someone, and relentlessly bullying someone. A decent human being would know where to draw the line. If they didn't realize the impact they were having on this girl, and were devastated and remorseful at what happened, fine. But the fact that even after her death they kept it up. Something should be done, whether it be legal or by their peers. Bullying is a part of growing up, but there's a line.
"Phoebe had the misfortune of attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
Had she been in a private school, this type of sick behaviour would not have been tolerated. Her father and mother could have met with the principal, gave evidence, and the school would have been responsible for kicking out the perps.
Public school? Oh, after she's dead they release nice statements: "She was smart and charming." great. Thanks for that. And, after death, 2 of the sluts are 'suspended'. BFD.
Everyone associated with this hell hole called a school should be embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted with themselves. Fuck 'em all."
KPR,
Its not the school's fault. The fault lies with these children. I hope that they can see the pain they cause this girl, and that they live with the guilt for the rest of their lives. Also, private schools work no differently than public, they are just allowed to teach religion and usually have uniforms. At least here in the US. I don't know how things are where you're from, but from your spelling I'm guessing the UK somewhere. The fault lies not with the school, but more likely with the tormentors and their parents.
What kind of child is so hurtful? How do they get to be this way? I'll give you a hint, its not the TV's fault, its not video games, its not music. ITS THE PARENTS. All it takes is humility and compassion to teach your children proper behavior. If you have those things and your child is misbehaving you're either in denial or your child is a psychopath.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:24:21 PM@Ryan
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:28:57 PMPoint well made
Siiigh no hope left for this world. Its unfortunate that modern medicine has allowed scumbags to breed and produce other scumbags. Maybe if they would have all died off due to natural selection we wouldnt have a wonderful young girl pass away. Now we have a bunch of future white trash women of america instead of someone who could actually make a difference.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:40:41 PMNick, this isn't meant in a mean way either! We all enjoy what Pete writes including you. Before you criticizes Pete for his grammar, check yourself. "he said seemed like the kind of thing a 12 year old would right?" WRITE
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:31:26 PMSome of you that think that this was because Phoebe Prince was a weak as a person. No. Could any of you cope with this harassment now a days in high school? Remember you did not have internet the way kids have it now. Phoebe Prince is a very pretty girl, the popular girls( lol )are the ones that were jealous of Phoebe Prince. If they weren't, they never would have tormented her to death. As for the BOY being out of her league, give me a break. The popular girls broke the law and the school did nothing to stop them, I hope the parents sue and get them right in the wallet.
Bob Saget, your just nasty
> A person cannot be "hung"
Take a look at this then....
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:31:43 PM"I wonder what kind of a parent raises such shallow, non-thinking, eltitled pieces of human garbage."
REPUBLICANS (Probably O'Reilly and Beck's daughters)
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:33:42 PMFar too many years ago when I was in school the bully stood nose to nose with you, usually alone, but sometimes with a friend. Today they are in packs of cowards, hiding behind screens and never having the guts to stand alone face to face with the target of their rage.
I believe these girls should be punished, and then punished some more. I do have my doubts on if it would have any real impact because if they continued after her death, they have no remorse and if I am not mistaken, is this not a sign of a psychopath?
The parents should also be punished. As a parent, it is your duty and obligation to raise the best human being that you possibly can. If you are not aware of your child's behaviour and monitoring what they are doing with the technology you have provided you have failed both as a parent and a human being.
Maybe Phoebe did have some issues that stopped her from seeing that there is other alternatives to suicide but that is not the point. These girls sensed the weakness in her, and surrounded her with their hate just like a pack of jackals around a wounded animal.
I doubt very much that these jackals will receive anything more than a suspension but at the very least they should be sterilized so that they cannot breed and and raise more animals like themselves.
When you bully, your victim lives in fear and sometimes, like what I expect Phoebe did, in terror.
I did a quick internet dictionary check for the word terrorist and got this.
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
So really, what is a bully and why are they not treated in a manner that truly reflects what they are?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:33:43 PMSuch a shame....
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:34:03 PMhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=275900602838&ref=mf#/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=275900602838
When I was in school, I was taught to bide my time...... I don't condone revenge but it has served me well.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:41:05 PMCyber-Bullying is NOT okay! Children HAVE to start learning this or stories like these are going to become all too common =(
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:55:29 PMPICS?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:57:28 PMI was also bullied when I was in school, junior high and high school. I hated school and have no good memories of it. My heart breaks for this girl. I think a fitting punishment would be a truckload of bricks delivered to the school and let them build a wall and tear it down everyday, all day, rain or shine, winter or summer. Let them have to work in front of the other students, get filthy and sweaty. Everyday, a hard days work. They need to be taught about consequences to actions. This is something our young people are seriously lacking.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:05:15 PMAm I the only one here that has some sense?
If you can't deal with words, and others opinions of you, no matter how horrible, you won't make it in this world. She couldn't deal with it, so she left.
And a suspension for the people "Bullying" her?
If it didn't happen at school (Internet), schools legally can't do shit about it.
It was her fault, not anybody else. She did it, not them.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:07:26 PM"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:07:52 PMC.C.,
Yes, I have seen some of the girls that terrorized me in high school. They are all pretty much the same hateful ugly bitches they were 8 years ago. With the exception of a few they all treat me the same. One girl, she wasn't really hateful to me but hung out with the girls that were, works in a flower shop here and that's where I got my flowers for my wedding. She was very nice and more helpful than 3 of my bridesmaids (2 of which happened to be my cousins!) At the reception! We even said one day when I was picking the tuxes up that we wished we had talked more cause we got along so great! That's usually how it works. You either change drastically or you stay the same.
Murray C,
Nice judgement call on these being daughter's of republicans. My mom is a "republican" and she didn't raise me to be like that. Complete opposite actually. But way to go! You can tell a persons political stance on so little! Bravo to you!
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:10:09 PM@Tom
A person can hang themselves you idiot.
Learn2Grammar.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:11:50 PMIf you're interested in finding out the names of these heartless bitches:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=275900602838
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:29:49 PMGirls will be girls, just reposting from the facebook group, but here are the confirmed names of these useless twats.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:33:17 PMThe bullies are: Ashley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins & Kayla Narey.
Let's see how they enjoy cyber bullying when their names are plastered for all the world 2 see.
Here are the photos of some of the bullies. I think the person who posted these, needs to put them all over the net, so these cowards are exposed.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:40:13 PMNotice how ALL of them are very unattractive. I'm surprised they are popular, their parents must have money or something, because these girls are HIDEOUS.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=275900602838#/group.php?v=photos&gid=275900602838
marie heck,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:44:38 PMI will get off the subject of you, but why didn't you just tear them apart when you ran into them? I sure would have. My girlfriend weighed 245 lbs in high school she was BULLIED in high school. We went to our to our 5 yr. reunion. I wish you could have seen everyone's jaw drop. Thats how Becky got even.
Mary posted:
http://www.facebook.com/group.phpgid=275900602838&ref=mf#/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=275900602838
if you go half way down the page you will find the popular girls NAMES. I would have copied them but I didn't know if I could get in trouble.
Hanged, as a past tense and a past participle of hang, is used in the sense of "to put to death by hanging,"
the word, hung is the preferred form as past tense and past participle, as in I hung my child's picture above my desk.
Kewlface said:
@Tom
A person can hang themselves you idiot.
Learn2Grammar.
John said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:55:15 PMYou must like these articles or you would not be reading them.
@ C.C.: I was directed here from a website that I will not name. I assumed at first that this was a professional news website. Obviously, I was wrong...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:58:09 PMJohn,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:05:35 AMwhy can't you name the website? If you were on it, it must be open to the public. Maybe some of us would be interested in it. I saw the pictures of the Popular girls. And they were the pretty ones? I would hate to see what was considered ugly.
I am not permitted to reveal the web site, sorry. It's part of the rules that go along with being a member there. You probably wouldn't like it anyways... Sorry.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:18:14 AMDarwin had a theory on this...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:34:26 AMWho hangs themselves over being bullied?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:56:29 AMShe got trolled
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:12:21 AMYes, grammar mistakes are truly the important thing to discuss.
get a life.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:12:42 AMThis is a very difficult, tragic situation.
Obviously the bulk of the fault lies with the girls who bullied Phoebe, but I think that some of the people commenting here are failing to take their developmental stage into account. I don't have their specific ages, but I would assume they're close to Phoebe's age (15 or so). As an adult young enough to still fairly clearly remember what it was like to be in high school, I have a hard time condoning calling for their death.
Most, if not all teenagers have little to no concept of how their actions influence the world around them, including how the possible consequences of their actions will influence their own lives. This at least partly explains why there are so many teen pregnancies, incidences of alcohol abuse such as drunk driving, why dropout rates are so high, and how horribly teenagers can tend to treat other people.
Do these girls deserve punishment? Certainly. Perhaps even some jail time. It's how they'll learn the consequences of these sorts of actions. But I don't think they're irredeemable; more that they're quite immature. It's terrible that it had to come to this, but I doubt that these girls were thinking that they could drive Phoebe to hang herself. Sadly, they weren't thinking at all.
There should have been some intervention. If nothing else it might have let Phoebe know that there was someone on her side, someone who would advocate for her.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:21:40 AMAshley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins, and Kayla Narey....these are the girls who bullied her. Now that they're names are out, perhaps they will get a taste of what they gave her. Perhaps now they will feel the hurt and embarrassment that Phoebe felt.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:22:46 AMWow... some people... these bullies need to go to councelling... and do some community servivce and volunteer work...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:22:55 AMhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=275900602838
These girls don't seem to care what's happened to her, and continue to disrespect her death.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:10:33 AMC.C.,
Some of the girls that bullied me are worse of than I was back then! I wasn't fat, but I was "chunky" (curvy in normals peoples words!) I didn't have a bad complexion, I had glasses/contacts, and my hair was always "pretty". Now, I'm about the same, a little more weight from having my daughter and different health problems. But when I see those girls, I almost want to laugh! They have gained a lot of weight compared to what they used to weigh. Their skin is so nasty from fake baking all the time. One of them even looked oranger than orange (if that's possible!) and she looked really wrinkly (think the old lady off of there's something about mary!). Some of their hair was nasty and fried. And then a couple of them look so cracked out and skinny, they look like skeletons! I know its not nice to think, but I kinda thought they deserved it. All that time they were doggin others about the way they look and then karma comes and bites them in their ass. Yea, it was sweet in a way, but then I just kinda felt bad for them.
And thank you for what you said earlier, about I seem to have made a better life and have a good family. I have had my rough patches, but I think I've done pretty good! Thank you very much for that!
Also, to the people that are saying she shouldn't have done what she did or talked to her parents or whatever. Did it ever occur to you that not only was she in a new school, she was in a whole other COUNTRY?!?! Who is to say she had to deal with that kind of stuff in Ireland? Whose to say how their schools are over there? And maybe she felt guilty about letting these skanks get to her the way they did. Guilty because her family moved from everything they had probably ever known so their children could experience America. Who can say why she didn't reach out to someone.
Yea, bullying has gone on forver, but you have to admit, its gettin worse. I don't think kids are gettin weaker, I think they are gettin meaner. I mean, I haven't been in school for like 6 years, but its gotten a lot worse even since then! You have all these kids puttin up videos on youtube of others beating up someone, a whole gang of them against one. And nothing ever gets done. Kids get slaps on the wrist and are told "don't do it again" and that's pretty much it! You can't say the "n" word or call someone a "homo" because its racist or whatever. But you can call someone fat? How is it any different? It still hurts and cuts the same. And before anyone says "well you can help being fat". Tell that to my sister who has a 4 year old little girl that doesn't weigh what a 4 year old should weigh (I'm not gonnaa put how much my neice weighs because adults can be as cruel as children). Tell that to all the doctors, nutrionists, and other specialists who can't explain it. She doesn't eat anymore than my daughter who weighs about the same as a 2 year old, she is as active as my daughter, and yet they can't explain why she weighs what she weighs. Yea true, some people do cause themselves to be obese, but the next time you look at someone who is "fat", try thinking its not cause of their eating habits. It could be a health issue.
Once again, sorry for the rant. But this whole situation really pisses me off.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:58:09 AMHer boyfriend should beat the cr**p out of them...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:18:42 AMwimps...
Its traggic and those girls should be brought to justice, but school, family, and whatever friends have their share of resposibility too... they should take care of her and not leave her to fight alone...
All and all ending your life because of bulling isn't the solution, you just grow up and make sure one day you will pay them back...
Jeremy (and others who took issue with my original comment above),
I was born in Ireland, have lived at different times in the US and Ireland, and been educated primarily in the US at both public and private schools.
Here is my problem with S Hadley HS in particular, and public school in general.
Reading articles in the Globe and the Phoenix and Facebook postings from Prince's friends and foes alike makes it abundantly clear that this school has had a bullying problem for some time. This is not an isolated instance. And yet, here are some salient quotes from the 'educators' empowered to make Hadley a repository for education:
Superintendent Gus Sayer: "“Apparently the young woman had been subjected to taunting from her classmates, mostly through the Facebook and text messages, but also in person on at least a couple of occasions.’’
Apparently so. Where was Gus? Where was the team of principals? Teachers?
What's especially galling, though about Sayer's statement is that he attempts to distance HIS RESPONSIBILITY (the school) from the bullying. A 'couple occasions' 'primarily via text and Facebook'. Ah, so school, primarily, is safe, it's just that these bullies are operating in the shadows. BUT, let's see what happened to another student AFTER Prince's death...
A local TV station arrived at school and found most students refused to speak about the cause of Prince's breakdown, but one girl, interviewed in a hallway belonging to the school said, "... on camera what was common knowledge: that bullies were stalking the corridors of South Hadley High. As soon as the TV crew was out of sight, one of the Mean Girls came up and slammed the girl who had been interviewed against a locker and punched her in the head."
So the abusive behaviour is STILL going on and being perpetrated by, at least in this case, one of the SAME GIRLS who mentally assaulted Prince.
But don't worry. If you have children enrolled at Hadley, changes are right around the corner:
"On Wednesday, the South Hadley School Committee will discuss antibullying policies at the town’s four schools. A system-wide review had been underway for 18 months, as instances of bullying crept into schools, officials said."
Interesting quote. Further proof that this abusive behaviour is an epidemic at the school. But even more damning... AN 18 MONTH REVIEW IS STILL UNDERWAY??? How freakin long does it take a school district to act???
It isn't just S Hadley. Or Mass. It is going on everywhere. My point with private school is just this: IN GENERAL the dumbasses get disciplined. Get disciplined a few times and you get thrown out of school. There is also accountability. There are not 18 month studies, not when it comes to formulating a response to abuse on the part of one student to another!
Schools are not about learning. They haven't been for a long time (if they ever were). They are about indoctrination and churning out brainwashed individuals to fit a system. This is true of public and private schools. Home School, if you are a parent with some smarts, is the way to go - I do wish I had said that in my original comment. If that can't be done, private, in general, is safer both mentally and physically, than public. I know someone will follow me with a post of their own listing the excuses for why this crap happens in school. Excuses are bullshit.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:24:48 AMThe instigators should be named, everyone associated with this case (especially the adults) should be shamed - publicly.
Finally... if either of my boys, when they get older, EVER treat another child the way Prince was treated by these bitches, they will face consequences they will never forget.
May God bless Phoebe and her remaining family.
Fucking Americans! The Irish will rule!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:39:36 AMAshley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins & Kayla Narey
there are 4 names of the bully girls for you. i don't think the facebook page that has been linked here will remain in tact for long. there are some real shitheads posting there and making what could be a good thing into another mosh pit of sarcasm, hateful remarks and bullying!
shame on these girls, may their story follow them for the rest of their days. college, jobs, husbands, kids, etc. it should affect everything in their life until atonement takes place. these girls don't get it yet...beating a person that told the news group more information. they've not learned a damn thing from this. so, i felt it appropriate to put these names out there.
(((marie))) hugs! good to see you again!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:39:27 AMThese bullies should be stripped of all internet access, phones and other ways of cyber bullying. And they should ofcouse be expelled from school.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:51:20 AMI was also getting bullied in my school time by a guy with irrationally high self-esteem. The bullying was over when I hit him in the face knocking out two central incisors. The guy wasn't into bullying anyone ever since. I highly recommend beating the bastards up instead on hanging yourself. Cheers.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:07:08 AMWhat the fuck dude. Girls nowadays are such bitches. I honestly have to say, if I was that senior jock, Id take my own justice upon those girls for there henious acts of sourness and hatred and give it back ten-fold. That girl did NOT deserve that kind of treatment. Just because 1 popular jock decided that he would date for personality instead of one of the skanks that wanted to show him how retardedly blonde and drunk they are/could get.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:41:37 AMi think whoever these girls are has something coming their way.....something bigger than bullying !
Posted 01/28/2010 at 08:37:15 AMHey "Tom" -
Posted 01/28/2010 at 08:45:55 AMAfter reading about that terrible tragedy, all you have to offer is grammatical instruction? You really sound like a soulless asshole.
I myself live here in Dublin, Ireland, and it truly sickens me hearing this. Really tragic.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 08:59:58 AMWe don't have this sort of trouble in British schools because we have no pretty girls.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:05:44 AMThis bullying crap has got to stop...and the girls are indeed far worse than the boys in that respect. My daughter was bullied high school and that was in the 90s and I was subject to bullying in the 70s when I attended high school. The chain has got to be broken sometime...and maybe the one positive thing that will come out of this that people will be more aware that these "popular girls" shouldn't be so popular anymore.
RIP Phoebe. Thank God there are no "mean girls" in Heaven.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:09:04 AMIt's very unfortunate, but that is a perfect thumbnail of America. From politics to religion, bullies run the show. If this sort of problem is not taken care of, we are going to lose all the potential and good young kids. I hope this is tried as murder by those "popular" girls. I'm so sad that people outside of America are right when they say the things they say about my country.
May God help us. We have such a long way to go.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:15:39 AMFacebook and MySpace have privacy settings, instant messenger programs have block buttons and mobile phone operators can block texts or calls from a specific number. All of the above can operate on a whitelist basis. Cyber bullying sucks but it's not difficult to prevent.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:22:24 AMThese girls are horrible little bitches. The poor girl. They all need to be accountable for their actions, and a suspension doesn't cut it.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:35:28 AMlooobes said:
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:53:57 AMIt's not the kids dear.. it's the parents raising them. Not all parents, but majority of parents now-a-days have no morals and it's truly pathetic!!
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yeah, looobes. and by following your formula i have discovered that fault, as it were, does not lie with the parents of those vile children. rather, fault falls upon the parents' parents. oh wait, i mean fault falls upon their parents' parents' parents. no, i'm wrong. their parents' parents' parents' parents' should recieve the blame. looobes, you're part of the problem; you are totally blind to the complexities of a media intensive world. the moment a child steps out the door, they are drowning in commercial brainwashing. it doesn't matter what goes on in their house or the lessons parents attempt to teach. HEY, EVERYBODY, "COALITION FOR A COMMERCIAL FREE CHILDHOOD." google the idea.
To the person above that said it looks like she did experience America I completely agree. It's awful that she committed suicide but is anyone really surprised that high school girls are bitches? Hell there's an entire movie about it... you don't even have to watch it the title is self explanatory, it is called "Mean Girls". Secondly, internet bullying... Has anyone ever NOT been bullied on the internet?
I am not supporting what happened, but to everyone saying that the school should have done something about this... Do you expect schools to constantly monitor Facebook accounts? Should every person who gets into a flame war be tried for murder? If you believe that is the case then owning an XBox should be grounds for capital punishment.
There are 10-20 million attempted suicides every year. The world is a harsh place, do you think her colleges and/or her employers and colleagues would have been any less brutal?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:55:19 AMps, the little monsters may be the product of an environment. nonetheless they should be punished remorselessly. banish their demons, in a sense. bring discipline back to the schools.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:59:08 AMAt my school the retaliation would have been biblical. These known "suspects" would have been savagely beaten (probably multiple times) and shunned. I call for retaliation South Hadley High! Those "Mean Girls" are just people...people who bleed. The only way to beat bullying is to beat bullies. Anyone who senselessly and brutally bludgeons these "Mean Girls" near death is doing God's work. Amen.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:02:27 AMAnyone got docs on these girls?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:03:58 AMMy heart goes out to this girl, and to her family. But here most of you want vengeance. You want these girls to be punished, even to be hanged themselves. I don't think that's really a solution to anything. There is obviously a greater problem here, and to punish these girls is only treating the symptom of the societal disease. I take pity on the bullies as well. They're obviously feeling insane amounts of pressure as well. What they've done is obviously wrong, but there have to be other ways of dealing with this.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:06:24 AMI really think there should be more serious consequences in the judicial department and school for all this bullying. Send them to correctional facilities and/or to work f.x. cleaning bathrooms, something demeaning at least. Make them feel bullied, take away their phones.
It would be best if they would be sent to house prison-ment a year, hopefully longer.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:08:03 AMOne less insecure whiner. To everyone reading this: you're ugly, not popular, a slut, etc. Wow, doesn't that make you want to kill yourself? Someone dying is never happy, but people being pussies like this is a huge problem in America. People have to constantly worry about what pussy they're going to offend today. Get over yourselves and work on developing some conviction.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:15:42 AMThe parents, the parents are also to blame to raise such low-lives. Teenagers should be tried for manslaughter by their evil choices. They could not stand that Phoebe was a pretty and innocent and happy girl. No wonder the guy asked her out on a date she saw her beauty and simplicity and her innocence and those girls so evil they terrorized her because they were so hateful and jealous. They should be tried for manslaughter. I hope their names are published. I want to tell them what I think of them myself. I feel so sad for Phoebe the poor little mite. I was bullied by Irish Women here in NY emigrant section and they were evil miserably unhappy females full of jealousy and had to project it onto another female. Women in their 20, and 30 and 40's Bullying knows no age and I was and still am pretty and a happy person and that was the problem. I learnt NEVER cower to a bully and give them a dose of their own. Fight back with Double if it comes to it. Fight back tenfold and round up all the troops but NEVER cower to a bully. SOMETIMES ONE HAS TO FIGHT BACK. Tell parents, tell friends, tell lollipop man, tell anyone but open up and speak and talk and get amunition to fight back. But best thing is pick your friends of a gentle nature. I am so sad for this girl's suffering and I am so angry her little life cut off. If I had a daughter the first thing I would prepare her in life was to be aware of bullies and tools to protect her from bullies and tools to fight back and BEAT THE BULLIES. I am so sad and angry.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:25:36 AMoh
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:28:26 AMThis is because it's South Hadley. You go there and they are WONDERFUL people, but it's the upper-class area, so a lot of the kids are complete snobs that get anything and everything they want. They live in expensive, ridiculous houses, buy the nicest clothes, and get every little thing they want.
If I knew their names I'd go into that school and drag them out by their salon hair myself.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:34:45 AMOh my god...I can't wait to see these girls enter the real world and get their ass kicked.
And SUSPENDED!? If I were the principal, I would never let those girls enter my school again.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:39:16 AMWow..... this kind of thing never is easy to get used to. I live in Barbados where a 15 year old was killed by a car after his bullies chased him to his death. These boys had bullied the boy from since he was in Primary school which is like middle school for USA. His parents sent him to a private school to avoid it and it was is misfortune to pass for the same secondary school which is high school. They repeatedly beat him and his parents got no satisfaction from anyone. Not their parents, police or the principal. No one has ever been charged. What has society come to when being different or less in the limelight means death? It pains me to know that they forced this girl to give up her life because hers bothered them and i hope the little bastards rot in a jail somewhere.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:48:52 AMAs someone who went through similar experiences in high school I always think of my moto: Remember Columbine !
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:52:10 AMIf anyone was wondering the legal ramifications these Mean Girls could face, I am an attorney and can shed some light on the situation for you. In Massachusetts, "cyberbullying" falls under MGL c.265, s.43A: For Criminal Harassment. Basically, electronically-communicated threats are a crime in the same way that a face-to-face or written threat can generate a criminal charge. The fact is: willfully and maliciously directing electronic communications at a specific person that seriously alarm that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer emotional distress can result in criminal charges (punishable by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment) as well as generate a lawsuit seeking financial compensation. There is also talk of a bill that could effectively have these bullies charged with manslaughter in the second degree in certain instances (if passed). That said, I hope these Mean Girls get what's coming to them.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:04:36 AMThis is on Diggs Front Page
http://digg.com/tech_news/15_Year_Old_Girl_Commits_Suicide_After_Cyber_Bullying
the four bullies:
ashley longe
(413) 533-4441
shanon caron*
flannery mullins
kayla narey
200 Lathrop St
South Hadley, MA 01075
413-536-0870
* means not solidified by reputable** sources
**anon
that's all I have for now.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:11:23 AM@Tom
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:14:15 AMCan people "speak" their words onto a page?
That would be wonderful if they got charged with manslaughter. The less vicious people around like that, the better.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:20:17 AMThis is why i believe that society is doomed. When we have children acting this way to others and causing this much pain to someone that did not deserve it, how can we succeed when these teens are suppose to be the future. I think all school districts need to see the light and realize that education comes first, these dances and school social activities are not necessary and cause more trouble then they are worth.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:20:32 AMSHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL NOW SHES AN ANGEL
BUT THERES A GOD AND THOSE MEAN GRLS ARE GOING TO SUFFER IN LIFE FOR WHAT THEY DID TO THAT GRL.
REST IN PEACE
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:36:43 AMI hate to play into this English 101 crap given that the real story is about this poor girl and how she won't have any justice on this side of the veil, but sometimes you just have to wade into the mud and slap someone.
Nick said:
"Although I found the article to be informative, the writers--"
Writer's.
"--grammar and poor wording took me out of the story."
Took you out of it? Did you even read that before you hit the post button? This isn't a short story contest. This is REAL. Your willing suspension of disbelief doesn't enter into it, and it's not for your entertainment. This is a tragedy, not a story from The Onion.
"He used some weird analogies and most of the things he said seemed like the kind of thing a 12 year old would right."
12-year-old. Write.
Also, just for the sake of argument, if Pete IS off his game on this one (and I'm not saying he is), it's probably because he's as angry as most of the rest of the human beings who read about this. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this article. He's quite restrained considering how I would describe those harpies.
"This isn't meant in a mean way, just as a bit of constructive criticism..."
So is this, but I doubt you'll learn anything from it. Before you start throwing out critiques about other people and their writing skills, make damned sure you're deserving of that privilege.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:46:09 AMThat's a shame
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:47:37 AMHow's possible "good" young girls could commit that, ppl need to stablish valuea at home, 'cuz, what youth express, is the evident reflection of how're things going at home, how our parents & siblings are.
Poor girl, rest in peace, and I hope to her family to find serenity, peace and spiritual release.
Someone needs to start a cyber-bully "hall of shame" Web site. Every single time someone is found guilty of contributing to another person's ultimate demise through online bullying, that person's picture should be posted on the Web site. While it may seem trivial, appearing on such a Web site would most certainly have an appropriately negative and long lasting effect on the bullys' lives. And it will guarantee that the victims' lives were not lost in vain.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:49:22 AMOh Tom learn grammer in the context "hung" is correct. Here read a bit http://painintheenglish.com/?p=503
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:53:02 AMtoo bad we just dont kill them.... take one person out a day with a bomb to make the world a better place >_>
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:54:16 AMI think this whole Facebook crap needs to stop! The girl dies and you already have Facebook pages up and all this twitter garbage. Kids need a life nowadays... It's really sad how children hide behind these false virtual friendships and cannot express themselves correctly. It's very psycological and its still perpetuaded even more after her death! Get off that damn site already, texting and facebooking apparently is what got all this started, why keep it going?! so so sad... i feel for the generations to come...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:09:38 PMSuspension isn't shit but a vacation to these little dipshits. Expulsion would be more appropriate, I think.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:14:34 PMWe wont get justice, but the closest thing to it.
[anon > bitches]
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:20:11 PMnot_tom, a couple things my simple minded friend...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:22:30 PM"Hanged" is correct... it is not Hung. Things are hung, not people, no matter the context and that link you put there, WTF was that? that's the best reference you have for correct english, some moron's blog site?! We're in big trouble...
Oh and by the by... its "GRAMMAR" not "GRAMMER" Thought I'd throw that one out there too... have an amazing day :D
John said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
"What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional..."
You idiot. It is a blog my friend, not something printed in the new york times.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:31:40 PMWe have completely gotten off topic with this grammar stuff, but I wanted to add something.
To not_not_tom: While it is technically correct that a person is hanged and an object is hung, even scholars use the word hung in speech and hanged only in writing. I just wanted to give you a little quote that you might find amusing.
"The distinction between hanged and hung is not an especially useful one (although a few commentators claim otherwise). It is, however, a simple one and easy to remember. Therein lies its popularity. If you make a point of observing the distinction in your writing you will not thereby become a better writer, but you will spare yourself the annoyance of being corrected for having done something that is not wrong."
(Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, 1994)
See, the last sentence even states that you will be corrected for doing something that isn't technically wrong.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:34:39 PMAs far as the story goes, it appears that bullying has been part of this particular area for years. Why is it that people are just now speaking out? Has it never come to this extreme? Is that why no one has made a stink about it until now?
One less insecure whiner. To everyone reading this: you're ugly, not popular, a slut, etc. Wow, doesn't that make you want to kill yourself? Someone dying is never happy, but people being pussies like this is a huge problem in America. People have to constantly worry about what pussy they're going to offend today. Get over yourselves and work on developing some conviction.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:35:20 PMThat's good to know! Hey nothing matters anymore unless you're writing for the New York Times...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:39:13 PMLOL, OMG, LMAO, ROTFL and all that "good writing" just because its a "blog" ... I suddenly feel nauseous.
Suspension??? How about Prison time. I hold every girl and there parents that bullied her responsible for that suicide!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:49:41 PMI completely disagree about this happening only in a Public School. I was bullied out of a very expensive private highschool. My parents met repeatedly with the Principle and teachers, however nothing stopped the daily insults and beatings. Any school in any country can be horrible for one student and great for another. Bullies pic and choose who thier victim will be and then target them incessantly. I finished my highschool years in Public school and never had any further issues.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:52:07 PMThat's an easy problem to solve... Just have those slut bullying girls get raped and killed. Someone on the east coast find those girls and give them what they deserve!!!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:52:41 PMWhat are those bullying girls' name and where do they live. If someone knows, put their names and addresses on youtube and what let all the rapists know... That will be one great orgy for those bullying girls.
Funny for me, my father let my brothers and I learn martial arts when we grew up. He didn't want us to be bullied like he was, so we were always to encourage to fight at a young age. We soon became the ones that "beat up" the bullies, but still were nice to everyone else. Martial Arts taught us toughness, but also kindness and respect. We joined the Marine Corps after after high school and are now college students, if anyone wanted to know.
Well, there is always the option of kidnapping, torturing, and killing all the preppy popular girls, since they are weak and no nothing of weaponry or hand to hand combat, Darwinism will take care of the guilty girls, when they meet someone who bullies them harder. If someone punched me at school for speaking the truth, i would slice those bitches throats, and im not the only one.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:57:18 PMRead this book...Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls by Rachel Simmons. It sheds light into the topic of girls' hostility and bullying. Girls bully psychologically while boys just use physical violence...I was bullied all thru jr high and high school...there were times where I thought about suicide...the thing is when you tell your principal, teachers...it makes it worse. the only thing you can do is stand up to them...I never did. If I could go back I would completely kick ass! Girls are very catty creatures....
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:00:46 PMThose bullies shouldn't be allowed to just die. They should get raped, get their limbs cut off one by one while they're given life support so they don't die and feel every minute of pain, then thrown in the ocean with sharks with nerve enhancing drugs to make them feel more pain than they should. Then they should get rescued and hung alive on poles and kept alive 'til they die of old age while someone pisses and throws shit at them every day. That's justice.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:02:48 PMSomebody needs to do something about bullying because it's clearly gotten out of hand and people are dying because of it.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:07:47 PMHey Tom...try to remember the big picture here...a girl lost her life because of the way she was being treated by shitty people...I think you can let the grammar police slide for a day!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:29:35 PMThats so sad that her parents wanted her to experience America and this is what she recieved. Bullying should be punished no doubt, but cyber bullying leaves a paper trail and should not go without being punished.
It both amuses me and outrages me that "Two students have already been suspended, and more could be on their way to discipline." They say it as if suspension is a hard punishment for pushing someone so close to the edge that they kill themselves.
I do see why some people are blaming the parents of these girls, but honestly once they are in high school it isn't just the parents fault. They are old enough now to make decisions for themselves and know right from wrong, reguardless what they are taught. The girls are just as much to blame for being heartless self absorbed bitches.
Rest in peace Pheobe Price, I wish you would have had a better experience in America and I'm sorry on behalf of our country. You didn't deserve this.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:33:51 PMAnd people still wonder why Columbine happened.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:35:24 PMI am seriously thinking there is something parents can do, even if as a group we picket the school, with signs of peace love, tolerance, keep the awareness there.. what happened to zero tolerance, my heart aches, my soul aches, for these people....
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:35:34 PMI wish there would be some contacts of these girls. there would certainly be people who would be able to show them in practice how much it could hurt to be empty cruel brainless creatures and how one time soon it hits them back.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:36:53 PMHey Tom a.k.a. Mr. English, turd:
I'm hung unlike any other. If you were female, I'd show ya.
Why didn't this girl "unfriend" or "ignore" these people from her facebook, etc.?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:38:40 PMKids are getting disgusting. I'm 22 and put up with a lot of bullying in m highschool days and found a lot of them to be almost intolerable. If it wasn't for the few friends I did have and the common sense I had not to want to hurt myself I probably wouldnt have made it. It scares me because I have three little sisters no more than the age of 12 that will be entering the high school scene soon enough. You can blame a lot of bad parenting. I was brought up to respect everyone even if they aren't the same or as privileged. So sad...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:39:50 PM@Tom -
FUCK YOU for being a grammar Nazi in this thread - it's a wholly inappropriate place to pump up your little ego - a young girl just hanged herself, you callous prick. Oh, and by the way, it's English, not english. That's what happens when you act like an asshole - more often than not, you end up looking like one yourself.
Tom said:
Quote: "It came from one of Phoebe's sisters. When cops arrived, they found that the freshman student had hung herself. Two days before the big dance."
A person cannot be "hung", a person is "hanged". Please speak english properly.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:43:28 PMYou wonder what kind of parent raises monsters like these girls? Entitled cheerleader jock twats just like their own kids. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. I always wondered why, when I travel to Massachusetts, that I'd be directed to Hadley when I'd be looking for prostitutes dressed as high school cheerleaders.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:50:47 PMi really do think that parent should be able to spank there kids if they are being bad when they little but not abused them cuz aleast in the 70 and 80s the kid grow up fine but now we cant spank or hit them i think that now a days the kids are mean, ruthless, and cruel the kids think that they can get away with anything now but back then the kids know that if they did something wrong they would get hit or spank and the kids has any respect for a the adults anymore they are all SPOILED i think
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:56:17 PMAuthorities should get access to Phoebe's cell phone and facebook page, gather all the names of these vicious little bitches and round 'em up in a 3-part punishment cycle.
#1. Suspend all of them indefinitely. While on suspension from school make them all stand for 8 hours in the most public of places with sign boards around their necks saying "We're responsible for Phoebe's suicide" in big bold letters. This should go on for weeks so that everyone everywhere knows them for what they did. You want to verbally harass and assault someone so harshly that they take their own life? You should be subjected to the same treatment.
#2. Charge all of them with some sort of manslaughter, defamation of character, and various other charges.
#3. Lock all of them up in a juvenile detention center for as long as it takes for them to learn that society should (in some cases, has) a zero tolerance policy on this kinda bullshit.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:02:07 PMfor young mean kids...
The gates of hell lie waiting as you see
There's no price to pay just follow me
I can take your lost soul from the grave
Jesus knows your soul can not be saved
-Hell Awaits, Slayer(Hanneman, king) 1985
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:07:51 PMSo I know kids can be very very cruel sometimes but killing yourself over such bullying is weird, I just think maybe it wasn't the only reason. Or if it was, the girl should have spoken to her parents about it or the principal you just can't resolve problems by killing yourself it's never the answer.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:07:56 PMI wish there would be some contacts of these girls. there would certainly be people who would be able to show them in practice how much it could hurt to be empty cruel brainless creatures and how one time soon it hits them back.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:14:15 PMI have to disagree with that. Kids don't think like adults. They are very ego-centric and think that everything revolves around them and that they cause a lot more things than they actually do. Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death among teens and it's this drive to fit in and conform that causes kids who feel like outcasts to do this. You are just re-blaming the victim for what was done to her. Mostly, the parents are to blame for whatever they did to raise such human garbage. I went to school with all spoiled doctor's kids and although some did things like hit toddlers on big wheels and then leave the scene b/c they did not want to get in trouble (the kid was OK) none of them were this bad. The parents & kids must surely be the lowest rung of our society.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:20:55 PMThis story is so sad. These horrible girls probably watch The Hills and think that is how normal people act. Even here in Ireland some kids watch these types of TV shows that market the 'mean girl' type as being the 'elite' of society.
The bitchy personalities of the characters definitely rubs off on teenagers.
I just hope something happens to the girls that will make them look back and realise what a horrible thing they have done.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:34:40 PMAll you people who are blaming the victim, please try to raise your thinking above the level of a pack animal, like a dog. Maybe if you try, you could get to the level a cat is on? Probably in your lifetime, you will never achieve human thinking, but we will all pray for you.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:41:36 PMIm from Clare and although i wasnt exactly friends with Phoebe as i was 4 years ahead of her in school i know her mother, and best friend. And i personally feel that her bullies being suspended is a bit of a joke!!They should be punished further!!When i first heard about Phoebe's death clearly i was upset firstly because i knew her mother and how lovely she was andi felt so bad for the pain she was going through, secondly because i know her best friend and phoebe and Cliodhna (her best friend) we're like partners in crime you wold never see one without the other when Poebe was living in Clare so clearly i was going to be upset plus it was so terrible why she took her own life!And i said to my boyfriend i hope her bullies pay for what they did to her and he said no they'll hae to live wth it forever that they were so horrible to her that she did that but then i read that there bragging they lied to the police about bullying her and badmouthing her on her rememberence page on facebook and in the school she attended over there, but clearly they arent paying!!They must be proper bitches and they should pay and not just be suspended!!I ope they never have to feel the pain that Phoebes mother, father, siblings and friends are feeling!!!Phoebe wil never be forgotten maybe by the cold hearted bullies but not by the people wh loved her and knew how nice she was!!!! Please pray for Phoebe her family, friends and best friend Cliodhna xxx
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:42:46 PMSERIOUSLY????? All this talk about getting the girls that did this and then how horrible the parents are and the cycle continues- YOU ARE CONTINUING THE CYCLE!!!!! They were bullies so now you bully them- thats the way to handle this? The whole story needs to come out from the official investigation. Students have also said that this poor soul has tried to kill herself before and is under psychiatric care. THese girls might have been the finial strw but they didn't do all the damage. I pray the Lord is with Phoebe's family but I also pray more young lives don't need to be lost over this horrible loss! To the sick people that wish the bullies would "get raped and get their limbes ripped off" really????? More death and and tourture and the girls are the bad people????? LOOK IN THE MIRROR! WHO ARE THE BULLIES NOW?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:56:55 PMConcerned,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:05:15 PMYou mention that she was under psychiatric care? Would you mind sharing that information, where you found it? B/C they have just realized what a terrible problem they have in Ireland with the suicides and homicides rising out of the over use of anti-depressants. Ireland is where a story came out of where a senior citizen was being pre-scribed them and attacked and bit his doctor (like a dog) numerous times. When a psychiatrist tried to point out the ill-effects of anti-depressants, he was then bullied by the medical community. When people are given anti-depressants, especially kids, it blocks a persons ability to handle conflict, making them very complacent, and may have given her no choice in her mind. How very sad, if this was the case, how our society will victimize it's own children in this way when we have all the information so that we should know better.
Actually, I looked up their school handbook and the Minimum action taken for bullying and threats is parent/principle conference, police involvment, after school education programs & suspension. So they will not jsut receive suspension, they will have to go to after school education so they will probably be dropped from whatever activities they are in like cheerleading, etc. Hopefully the school will get involved and straighten them out since their parents didn't do their jobs.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:23:17 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder
Has a precedent for being charged when a defendant willingly and callously drives a victim to suicide.
Murder 2 for such a quintessential waste of genetic material.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:31:10 PMI used to have an overbite, quite a huge one... I do not wish that f...ing nightmare that I had been going through because of my teeth for almost a decade. Children, teens, even adults used to make fun of me cruelly, cold-heartedly, laughingly, without the slightest trace of mercy because of my teeth. I am 28 and I am wearing braces for the 3rd time in my life I am still so scarred because of those years. My teeth are perfect now straight and beautiful, but I am still wearing metal braces for the 6th year in my life altogether, I should have had them removed in 6 months but I dare not, I'm afraid that they would go back to where they were. Whenever I think of the things people told me I still get the blisters and I feel humiliated. I have burned ALL my pictures taken of me before, because of my teeth. I am never going to get over how primitive, cruel and merciless these so called human beings are. I almost hung myself a few times, too. We are already Armageddon-positive, someone should wipe this whole ....ing garbage off the Earth's surface. Cheers from Hungary
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:36:02 PMNOT ALL athletes and cheerleaders are the same. There are good and bad people from any group. Just take a look around!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:36:06 PMim just as old as these girls, and i live in the center of america, i was bullied so much im now homeschooled. hearing about this kinda makes me feel like i couldve sucked it up, because it was NOTHING like that poor girl went through.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:43:16 PMMatt - it might be considered cruel and unusual punishment, but I honestly think that your #1 would definitely teach them a lesson that would be well deserved and necessary.
Matt's #1 said -
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:50:46 PM#1. Suspend all of them indefinitely. While on suspension from school make them all stand for 8 hours in the most public of places with sign boards around their necks saying "We're responsible for Phoebe's suicide" in big bold letters. This should go on for weeks so that everyone everywhere knows them for what they did. You want to verbally harass and assault someone so harshly that they take their own life? You should be subjected to the same treatment.
Rocki, the Concerned that commented above was not me, just in case you are wondering. I am the one that was debating with you about Alyssa and her anti-depressants. From now on, since at least two people are using the same name, I'm changing mine so as not to confuse others.
I really think that suspension is the least that these girls need as far as punishment. To hear stories like Judy and Liz, it helps us understand that even though we may feel the need to make fun of people, sometimes, it just becomes too much for that person to handle. To all the people that think they should just suck it up and move on, I can say that you probably were not the object of this kind of recurring verbal abuse from not just people you know, but complete strangers as well. Wake up and realize that how people treat you does affect your self esteem. If it doesn't, then you are ignorant or blind to what people say and do.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:08:12 PMMon dieu!
Je viens de lire vore artcl et c'est smplement HORRIBLE.
Je suis françaiseet j'ahbite à Paris.
Dans nos lycée et école, les chosessont totalement différentes!
Cetains éléèves sont plus populaires que d'autres mais il n'existe pas de telles présion qui pousserait au suicide, même dans les quartiers sensibles.
Est ce comme cela dans toutes les écoles d'Amérique?
Des élèves se font frapper, insulter juste par ce qu'ils ne sont pas cool??
J'espère que non!!!
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My god!
I have just read your article and it is simply HORRIBLE.
I am French and I live in Paris.
In our high schools and schools, things are totally different!
Some pupils are more popular than the others it's true, but there is no such présions which(who) would grow to the suicide, even in the dangerous districts. It is crazy!
I wanted to say good courage to all these pupils who are victims of this kind of thing, and that the suicide is not a solution...
Is it as it in all the schools of America?
Pupils are struck, offended just by what they are not cool??
I hope that not!!!
Sorry if my English is bad.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:40:42 PMI think the perpetrators should be locked up until they turn 25. They can finish their education in lock-up, and then do some extra time just so they can think about their bad behavior. God forbid these girls get into college with any other kids, who knows what kind of damage they could do. The parents should receive a HUGE fine-at lease six figures- no exception because they were bad parents who didn't teach their children the responsiblity of internet and cell phone usage AND they didn't check-up on their children to see what they were doing. BAD PARENTS!!! What is wrong with these people?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:44:38 PMThis is sick,the poor girl.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:45:42 PMMy thoughts go out to her and her family and friends,may she rest in peace.
jeez , id love to know those girls names and give them a piece of my mind, that is jst toally horrific . i feel terrible , ad i hope this poor sweet girl rests in peace :\
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:53:04 PMAll bulliers should be found and killed. It's time to make YOU afraid for once. The bullying i experience my entire life in school for being the foreign weird guy made me despise being in school, had me crying myself to sleep every single night, made me not kiss a girl until college, stunted my growth to a towering 5'7 (which has its own hell in adulthood), and generally turned my life and my parents life into one, long, torturous ordeal. Kids who bully other kids should be found and scarred for life. Make THEM fear for the lives. Make THEM hate themselves. Show THEM what it feels like to hate waking up in the morning.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:01:14 PMIn my opion I think those girls should get tried as adults for the murder of Pheobe, and sent to prison so they can see what it is like to be bullied, and why they are in there, they can get raped by the other bigger bad asses, like they think they are, let them see what it is like to be made to do something they don't want to do, like lick pussy, and see how fast they want to hang themselves....FOR ALL THE BULLIES OUT THERE, you guys sure don't have LOVE at home and must be miserable with yourselves and nothing going for you in life, so thats why you bully, but I do have a few words for you guys " YOU FUCKING LOSERS"
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:04:29 PMI actually go to South Hadley High School. We’re being hounded by the media currently, with news stations becoming a common sight to see outside our school. I’d just like to clear something up… Phoebe was NOT cyber bullied. She was primarily bullied in the typical girl way: she was called names, taunted, teased, and humiliated. She was called a slut. Someone threw an energy drink can at her. She wasn’t even on Facebook at all, anywhere, until after the night of January 14th, when support pages started being made in her honor. That is where the harassment via Facebook started, but it wasn’t SHHS students- it was anonymous users on “fake” accounts from terrible people all over the world. Yes, we have a “bullying problem”, but anywhere you go, there are girls and there is drama. This is just all getting so out of hand, and the media has gotten so many things wrong.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:21:31 PMSeriously. Kill yourself over some girls? In my opinion, if your getting bullied and you kill yourself means that your a wimp and you could never stand up aganst the people who were bullying you. Take a stand aganst them. Tell the police do something. There's no need to do suicide. People need to get that in their heads.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:34:27 PMif i had a child and they came home abused i wouldn't complain to the school i would go and bully the other kid back myself
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:03:52 PMRip Phoebe. I cried when i read this story. I actually live in Ireland, and i can imagine she thought America would be the dream. Girls can be so cruel, and they need to be punished. Suspension is barely punishment, they will probably enjoy it. I hope when they grow up, their minds are haunted by what they have done, and maybe one day they will see how their behavior caused a beautiful girl to take her own life. I seriously wish they would feel remorse, it seems so strange to me that any human could do this and still not feel anything.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:33:03 PMnina,
Le gouvernement d'America est quelque chose du terrible. Le gens c'est tres pauvre au cause du gouvernement. Une grande nombre de toxiecomanie. Le gouvernement gagner de l'argent por soi-meme. Gens se passer d'assurance maladie. Gens etre babare parce q'ils seulement interessor l'argent. Je suis desole, mon francais n'est pas le mielleur.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:44:27 PMNo,Christy Lynne, Shame on All of you!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:44:54 PMyour side of the story does not make sense and if it does not make sense it's not true. The facts of the story speak for it's self. These nasty jealous witches (put a B at the beginning of witch) made this little girls life miserable. Are you one of the witches that harassed her? Her death is blown out of proportion, no facebook harrassment? Sure it was. You, your School, your parents, Everyone in your community should take responsibility for Phoebe's death and be ashamed of yourselves!
Everyone that sent her ignorant messages over Facebook and any ignorant text messages should be expelled from that school district. There should be NO tolerance when it comes to bullying. They know who sent the messages so they should hold them responsible for their actions. Expelled and then prosecute them for involuntary manslaughter then sue the parents. That is the only way they all will learn is if it ruins their future and cost the parents, maybe then bullying will be taken more seriously.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:17:26 PMChristy, or anyone that actually knows whats going on at SHHS,
Is it true that the girls at your school continue to talk dirt even after Phoebe commited suicide? You said that the online part actually came from fake accounts around the world, but are the girls who actually bullied her at school actually unremorseful and still speak negatively of Phoebe??? It is hard for me to imagine that is so. How could they bully someone into taking their life, and not realize they hurt someone so badly that they took their life and seriously need to make a U turn???
Either way, these girls need to be taken out of school and be legally binded to do 18 hours of community service every single day for the rest of their lives. For what they have done.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:22:39 PMThese girls and boys like them will make terrible coworkers, bosses, customers and politicians. They will make life a living hell.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:15:44 PMThe school administrators and teachers are practicing zero tolerance and are so PC (political coward). Zero tolerance is being cruel the meek and kind to the bullies. For example suspend a person bringing an aspirin to school even if they suffer migraines and giving many chances to someone with hard drugs, because they might sue or get even with you.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:20:14 PMDiggs,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:25:11 PM(I am not knocking your information) but of the 2 I was able to see on facebook, if they are the right people, they are pretty doggish for chearleaders (the one you can't see her face.)
This just goes to show how stupid we are in America. I normal respectable family moves here, LEGALLY, works, pays taxes, sends there kids to school, doesn't commit crimes and we treat her like this. On the other hand, we bow down like pussies to all the illegals in this country.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:40:35 PMChristy Lynne or anyone else from South Hadley H.S. who knows,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:18:02 PMThis is just such a sad story. Please tell us more about Phoebe. From what little description there's been about her, and her beautiful smile, seems we lost a great kid. And what's the deal with Ashley, Flannery, Shannon and Kayla? Can they possibly be so rotten to the core? Or do they actually have some shred of decency? Have they shown any remorse? Have any of them taken on some public responsibility? And what about the parents -- will none of them express a basic apology or sense of regret to Phoebe's family? It's very hard to make sense of all this.
Hey Christie Lynne,
Since, as you say, 'the media has gotten so many things wrong', and as evidence you say Phoebe was not 'cyberbullied', this might help you understand where the media is getting its story:
Superintendent Gus Sayer was quoted as saying: "“Apparently the young woman had been subjected to taunting from her classmates, mostly through the Facebook and text messages, but also in person on at least a couple of occasions.’’
Now, reading this and other quotes of Sayer's, I've already suspected him to be a blowhard. But you should realize these claims are not being fabricated by the media. Rather they are coming out of the mouths of the adults who, as far as I'm concerned, had a fiduciary duty to protect Phoebe and every other student in the school.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:32:44 PMHey, Christy Lynne,you're full of crap. Your name links us to your Facebook page, where we can see that you are friends with Kayla Narey, one of the harassers. Nice cover up.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:04:22 PMI agree the parents of these girls that tourmented phoebe should punish their children to the extent. They tourmented someone who was new and that poor girl delt with it the only way she knew how to. She dated my cousins Best friend when she moved here. I think those girls should pay for what they did and know for the rest of their lives that they caused someone to take their own life. Her life was too short and she shouldnt have had to deal with what she went through. When I was in middle school I was bullied and picked on because I was different than everyone else. I personally know what its like to go through what she went through.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:17:53 AMTell me please? Why do these girls still have Facebook accounts? If their parents were told about their conduct (as indicated by the Principal) including texting and on Facebook, WHY HAVE THE PARENTS NOT MADE THEM DELETE THEIR FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS?? I think that partly explains the parenting that led to making of monsters.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:29:07 AMHonestly, how can anyone find the true cause to what happens in our high schools other than the fact that our media sets an example on how to treat others base on social status, economic class, race, sexual orientation, etc. We are no longer being taught to our fellow human beings with respect, we are being shown instead how to humiliate one another in the most degrading fashion possible while our educators fail to control what happens in and outside their classrooms, due to how angry and dysfunctional our youth have become. Facebook is not to blame, it's our broken educational system and our lack of self-consciousness as a North American anglo society that has led us to these social issues, and until we have a government who realises the importance of an egalitarian education at the pre-k level, not just at the primary, this will never be fixed.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 01:36:36 AMdear Christy Lynne
sit tight, we're coming for you. there are enough of us in western MA, lets see if u can take what u dish
Love,
Posted 01/29/2010 at 02:24:26 AMthe internet hate machine
whenwillwerealize,
I respect you opinion. I look at this sad story differently. Your right, the School should have had more control in their classrooms. What happens outside of the classrooms falls back on the parents, not the schools. The schools are not babysitters. If parents had instilled values, honesty, respect in these kids this would not be going on in the school. I do not see how the government needs to recognize egalitarian education. Social status, economic class is the way of the world( we started with kings). There are the rich, working class and the poor. The government knows that. The amount of a persons income should not make a difference on how a child is treated in school. I would rather the parents and the teachers take back our Schools. Rules that apply to everyone. NO EXCEPTIONS. Cheerleader, Football Player, Computer Kids, The Shy Kids, Rich, Poor, no discrimination all kids treated equal. If my child was being harassed by other students like Phoebe was, drinks thrown on her, calling her filthy names, getting in her face at school. As a parent they should have gone to the school. If the next day the crap did not stop, my child and I would be at the police station filing charges against these girls. After we were done with the police, we would be at an attorney's office.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 02:39:10 AMAnother perfect example of how kids who play sports learn to be "good sports", learn how to pull up the weakest link since the "team" is only as good as. This is why I do not allow my children to participate in school sports, we prefer family activities. We all have seen it, the bad attitude, the arrogance, the mistaken ideal that somehow they're superior because they belong to a "gang"..yes I said gang, the mentality is the same, the attitude is the same, the only difference is this type of gang is condoned by society.... pretty sad indeed. Shame on those girls AND their parents for raising such horrible human beings.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 09:59:19 AMThanks Patriot for info on Massachusetts' criminal harrassment law. Let us hope the local police are not in league with the school administrators. As for the self-proclaimed "therapist" and others who have blamed the victim in garbage messages above - they read like family members or pals of the perpetrators. The school administrator who released a statement saying Prince was "complicated" - besides being "charming" - is already trying to cover his ass for a future lawsuit. When kids gang up on one kid - it is NOT the one kid's fault.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:06:00 AMWriting from Dublin, Ireland.
Have to say that your attitudes all amaze me.
Most of you have blamed everything from antidepressants, schools, parenting, sports.
Frankly, from a European point of view, school bullying is seen as endemic in America. The whole esteem of being in a school sports team is pathetic.
For girls to be popular because of looks is the shallowness and tunnellvisioned narrow-mindedness that Americans are famed for.
It's the whole culture that's to blame IMO. From the teachers that ignored it, the parents that allowed their offspring to behave in that manner, the schoolchildren that condoned it, EVERYONE is to blame.
The ACCEPTANCE of that culture is DISGUSTING.
In Ireland, sports are a way of teambuilding, not gang building, to help the weakest and help them build confidence.
No school in Ireland would tolerate the bullying that goes on in that school and seems to be American wide.
Parents and teachers are much more involved in schooling and homelife, the bullying would have been stopped before this tragic death occured.
Rant Over.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:17:59 AMI am appalled. However it is not only what these hateful girls did that drove another young girl to end her life that bothers me. Many of you are furious, with good reason but most of you are acting no better than those vicious girls. Who among us wasn't bullied? I'm 31 and STILL get bullied, by other adults (some people do not grow out of their negative behaviors). Just as some of you are doing to other posters on here. Some of you are calling other people hateful names, others are trying to form a lynch mob by asking that the girls involved in this tragic case be posted to "give them a piece of your minds". How is that any different from what those girls have done to this poor young girl? You are all adults but are ready to go after these girls, one even claims if their child were to be bullied they would not go to the school for help, they would bully the bullies. These are not the right ways to handle this type of situation.
Whether you all know this or not most states have Zero Tolerance Bullying policies. If you DO want to make a real difference for other children who are suffering from bullying then please by all means contact your schools. All it will take is concerned, mature parents asking a simple question about how their school systems deal with bullying issue. Should your child's school system NOT have this policy then take action to have one implemented immediately. As a parent you have the right to attend school board meetings and push for changes to be made to make your child and ALL children feel safer and happier while getting their education. This by far is a better and healthier alternative than becoming the very thing all of you claim to be against.
I hope you all read this and take it to heart. I do not mean it in an unkind way, however, there is a fine line between right and wrong and I am concerned that should you all not go about it in a responsible way some of you might be the ones facing legal consequences. Should any of you attack, even verbally, these girls what kind of example are you setting for your children? What will your kids go through when you're locked away? As has been pointed out children can be cruel, imagine the tormenting they would get because mommy or daddy decided to purposely bully teenage girls for being just that, bullies.
Time to set a positive example and become part of the solution. Please do not add to the problem.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:44:41 AMTo those who are posting their names asking for revenge (Yes that is what you are seeking), you are no better then these bullies. Are you hoping to push them to the point where thy become the next headline? No, they need to be punished so that they become an example for others as what will happen if they follow the same path. I liked the idea of suspending their social media access personally. Though they would end up borrowing their friends equipment to keep posting messages and such, so it's a bit shaky.
At that point they are also getting their friends in trouble if they continue with their harassment, but if their friend is stupid enough to give them access after they are accused and punished, then they deserve to be punished as well as accomplices.
The problem is, as many have said, the parents. Those who are 'too busy' to teach their children the difference between right and wrong. Usually they are the ones that did the bullying and believe that the strong or rich should rule over the weak and poor. It isn't just their fault though. No, it also goes with the dehumanization of people from the media. With fights, war and crime rampant around the globe, news outlets only gather the most noteworthy stories and announce them. There are countless other stories out there that don't get heard because they don't seem to involve the general populace.
Sure, they are limited in time slots and such, but people need to realize that this isn't a localize event. Just the simple fact that these girls posted on a memorial page with no remorse is enough to show that a human life is starting to mean less then nothing in many peoples' eyes. Maybe once we kill enough of each other we'll realize our value once more. Though I fear by that point it will be too late.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:06:43 PMI'm sick of seeing all the heartless douche-nozzles on here talking about what a weak girl she must have been to kill herself over something like this. Teenage girls attempt suicide more than any other age group. There's a lot of emotional turmoil at that age and it doesn't take much to push someone over the edge when they're already in an emotional state 99% of the time. I can't even imagine what this poor girl went through. To be in a new country, a new school and try her hardest to make friends, date boys, and this is the treatment she gets? I don't know what's up with the Massachusetts kids, but at my high school in Florida, these girls would get the shit kicked out of them.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:24:40 PMUnfortunately, the law protects bullies as well. Doesn't anyone remember that story about the father who chased these girls who were relentlessly bullying his daughter? Finally, they toilet-papered his front yard, which actually is a crime, it's called littering, vandalism, & tresspassing. He chased after them in his car. The fool who was driving sped up to 70-90 MPH and he continued to chase them. The driver lost control & crashed and all died but the driver. The father's car actually never crashed or made contact with the other car. They actually sent this man to jail. He is guilty of nothing. I don't even think the driver got charged (I think it was in Michigan, go figure, MI is ass-backwards)
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:26:21 PMThe actually showed him on TV in court crying. He felt really bad about it. But the teen-age driver, when interviewed at home b/c she did not receive any charges, was smiling and laughing and talking about her operations. He has no reason to feel bad. She, on the other hand has no idea how bad she should feel. She killed her friends, not him.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:33:36 PMI'm disgusted that people are actually posting that they want these girls raped. How are these people any better than the girls who bullied this poor girl? How can you even wish something like that on anyone? Yes what they did was wrong and they do need to face some type of punishment. But NO ONE deserves to be raped. Ever. I hope those posters don't have children and if they do they should stop and imagine for a moment what if something that horrible were to happen to them? Would it still be deserved? You all are far worse than anything these girls could ever be to even think that type of thing.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:38:33 PMI think we need a good old fashioned public square stoning of the wicked little bitches to get them out of the way of the important issues. We should be putting the emphasis on helping our more sensitive children learn a healthy way to react.
You can't learn that when you are under torment so obviously the external hell has to end before a kid can sort out their internal hell. Supporting kids in learning to deflect will give them the skills they need to deal with grown up bullies they will continue to encounter for the rest of their lives.
Grown up bullies might not hit you or throw things at you because that is prosecutable, so they let their evil out in grown up ways that do even more damage.
And you can fix "mean" in a person. Even if you could, would they deserve to be fixed? They are simply a bad seed that should be isolated from the rest of us because their presence in any segment of society will primarily be destructive.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 01:06:24 PMthose little PRICKS that made that beautiful girl do this shud die a horrible slow torturing DEATH!! i'd do it myself!!
obnoxsious little fuckheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well all i can do is hope they die!
isnt the reason they did this cuz they wer jealous that she was going out with someone??? jeez just cuz the ugly fuckers can never get someone !! assshoollesss
R.I.P Phoebe
Posted 01/29/2010 at 01:33:55 PMPhoebe didn't deserve what she got. Those girls should be charged with stalking and co-conspiriters to Phoebe's death. She was ONLY 15! She could have led a good life untill those girls ruined it. They should be expelled and never get into college!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 02:12:15 PMThis is such a sad terrible story! Young girls can be the most vile, awful creatures you ever encounter. Sure, the movies like Mean Girls and Heathers make it all seem like something to laugh about. But when you experience it in person its a different matter! Luckily I was always a bigger, taller girl (with guy cousins who my one other girl cousin and I hung out with) and I didn't think anyone should be pushed around. So I recall instances of having to defend friends from groups of other girls and guys shouting mean things at them, or pushing them around. It made my cousin and I a target as well and I remember being scared on our bikes in a rather prosperous neighborhood as groups of white guys shouted "no ni***ers" at us in the streets! If not for our guy cousins who knows what would have happened to us?! Its terrifying, humiliating, and when you combine it with being new to the country, this Irish girl deserves justice! Those girls should be punished severely - for aggravated assault and stalking at least!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 04:53:28 PMThis is depressingly sad, especially for her friends, family, and her boyfriend! RIP Phoebe, you will be in our hearts forever!
And, suspension is ABSOLUTELY not acceptable for this case. They should be expelled. If you cause a girl to hang herself, there should be much more severe consiquences.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:11:37 PMThis shows remorse? I have read on FB boards that screen shots exist of the below taken from an alleged bullies FB account and they were taken down but that it is also just a matter of time before they get leaked on the net.
"I'm sorry I drove a mentally unstable girl to suicide"
"If you kill yourself because of bullying then you're a massive FAIL".
Seriously, there is something way more wrong with this teen than the one who killed herself. Phoebe apparently was able to feel pain, this girl who posted this after she bullied her is obviously void of empathy or feelings for others.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:30:39 PMWhat is really sad is all but one of the 6 girls still have FB pages and are adding Friends still. Why have the parents not shut of their access to the Internet yet?
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:51:23 PMThis is absolutely infuriating!!
When will the parents of today's kids step up to the plate and take charge of their brats. My daughter was taunted for over a year by girls just like these and fortunately she was comfortable enough to talk to me about it. After lots of tears and frustration, she changed schools...which was not an easy thing to accomplish going into her junior year. Happily she is now finishing her senior year surrounded with wonderful new friends and a much tamer high school environment.
So many parents are so oblivious to what their kids are up to and the behavior they project around their peers. The hateful words and actions of some teens are at an all time high and though granted bullying has been around for centuries, kids use to be able to go home and find a safe haven. Now with cellphones and the internet, their exposed to their peers 24/7.
It's a sad place for many teens!!
My heartfelt condolences to the family of this beautiful young girl who will never have the benefit of watching their child grow into a young adult, a mom, a career woman. It's incredibly sad......these girls need a huge punishment and awakening!!
Relieved and saddened in California!!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:55:26 PMyea another weak willed kid takes what they though was the easy way out.
this indeed is a very sad thing for someone young to kill themselves like this,like the teenage boy who jumped into the east river in manhattan for the same reason.
this is fucking stupid.when i was a kid we fought bullies back but these days kids are afraid to fight or even tell someone because it could end worse.what i say is parents need to take more interest in thier kids and re-enstate the old fashion ass whoopens
kids these days need to stop being so afraid and start talking to someone about this issue and at the same time to all the non popular kids who are getting teased,just remember this...your going to do better than that NOW popluar kid when you get older and look at it like this,if someone is teasing you its because they are hating on ya and everyone great needs a hater.this is comming from a geeky kid who is now awsome
Posted 01/29/2010 at 06:18:53 PMAnd strangely, there are people who wonder why school shootings happen. It's THIS kind of thing that leads to teenagers (who's brains have not yet fully developed, ESPECIALLY the parts that control impulse actions) bring guns to school or kill themselves.
Were I the one in charge of these little terrors' punishment, the first thing I would have done would have been to cancel the dance. Letting it go on was just tacky.
Next would have been revocation of all their privileges, be it off campus lunch, sports, cheerleading, or even being allowed to attend any school function. And God help them if they wanted to go to collage, because this WOULD be noted in their transcripts and sent along.
I would then recommend to the parents of the dead girl that they sue the families of her abusers.
Of course, I'm not in charge. I don't even know what kind of constraints the principal of their school is laboring under. All I can really do is express my sympathy for a family that has just lost their child, and hope there is some kind of justice in the universe.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 07:47:10 PMThe Bullies: Ashley Longe (413-533-4441), Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins, Kayla Narey(200 Lathrop St, South Hadley, MA 01075, 413-536-0870). Copy and spread! Go for it!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 08:04:09 PM@Justice and the others posting these girls names and phone numbers:
This isn't justice. This is just asking for trouble. What happens if some complete psycho decides to take matters into their own hands and goes after these girls physically? What if someone tries to kill them?
Lets all pretend to be rational people for a few moments. Killing these girls won't fix anything, and worse yet, someone may latch on to a story of Internet Psycho murdering Teenage Girls.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 08:10:15 PMYou know, the avalanche has already started. Getting a page on the Partyvan Wiki generally means you're pretty much screwed. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of gals, eh? For info and docs on these creeps, Partyvan is the best source.
http://partyvan.info/wiki/Mean_Girls
Posted 01/29/2010 at 08:20:13 PMUsually, I'm actually not one to be sympathetic.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:47:10 PMWhen I first heard this story, in minimum detail, I didn't really care for it. Sure, it's pretty horrible how a girl lost her life; but that was her own choice.
It's not an everyday thing; kids killing themselves over bullying. Rarely does it actually happen.
But I think it really got to me when I heard that the bullies posted mean comments on memorial pages. Totally unaware of the seriousness of the situation. Oblivious to the fact that they took a life away.
And I agree with some of these users; when they are older, they'll never forgive themselves. Ever.
But nevertheless, my thoughts go out to you, Phoebe.
Rest in peace.
Justice in our hands said;
Posted 01/30/2010 at 06:03:25 AMI read everything that you have posted and the link that you put up on this story. I would like to see justice provile in this situation through the legal system. These Mean girls could care less with what they did to Phoebe and if they had it to do all over again, they would not change a thing. I for one am Proud of you for taking a Stand on this and protecting Proebe even in Death. Her family tells the story of what they did to their daughter going home to rest. Her blood is in their hands. They may not care now, but Phoebe's death will haunt them for the rest of their lives
"She did end up going back to Ireland after all, and when her father saw her she was in a casket.
Phoebe’s family decided to bury her in County Clare. They wanted an ocean between her and the people who hounded her to the grave."
Most comments here are full of frustration and it shows many people really know what its like to be bullied back in school. But words of frustration do not do much to all those bullies that will go on living and bringing more pain to someone else in the world.
There has to be way to put that frustration into action and do something that could actually make a difference.
I wish the girl would be alive now. There is no way to change the past. Yet there is a way to change the present and prevent someone else from following her steps. If this story makes you feel desperate and wishing to change something perhaps there is a way.
Please check this page, it's not spam i promise.
http://wp.me/pNcVc-i
If you can help this idea become a reality, perhaps it could save someone's life.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 06:44:07 AMAnthony,
Posted 01/30/2010 at 07:11:05 AMAs more horror stories come to light, more information is suppressed. Lilly has paid out $50 million or more to settle lawsuits out of court (hush money) and doesn't divulge this information. If she had tried to kill herself before, chances are better than 50% that she was on an anti-depressant, unless her family was very savvy to the truth about them. Information on any drugs Andrew Conley was taking is non-existent but he was also in the mental health system, just like Alyssa Bustamante. They may be able to suppress this information from the public b/c they are minors. The judge in the Melissa Huckaby case has also order the records sealed from the public. But I think that will end up coming out, she was on a lot of drugs prescribed to her by doctors she was referred to by the state.
I wish there really would be a way to stop that torture. People who say that the girl should have just ignored all the bullying that has been going on there for months simply have no idea what a bullying really is.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 07:19:59 AMIt is next to impossible for one child to confront his/her abusers if there is no support from the adults. And she was just a kid dealing with some kids, whose only difference from nazi was their age
It is not enough that the Superintendent and Principal feel really bad about that. Nothing of substance was done. They are having a few harsh words and a pity party. They need to be fired and new more aggressive leaders need to be put in their places. No actions against the bullies shows complicit actions and supports the behavior. The Phoebe's parents must sue the School System (then settle), and the family should move away. The bullies should be charged and found guilty of harassment and expelled from school. That is action they understand and must be taken, anything less is a JOKE.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 02:57:05 PMYOU HAVE MOST OF THIS STORY WRONG. WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU RUIN MORE PEOPLES LIVES.THESE GIRLS DID NOT KILL PHOEBE, DID YOU KNOW HOW SICK SHE WAS NO NOBODY SAYS THAT, SHE WAS ON DRUGS AND WAS DEPRESSED SHE CUT HERSELF AND BURNED HERSELF, SHE WAS HERE TO GET HELP. NO NORMAL PERSON BEING BULLIED WOULD KILL THEMSELVES BY HANGING. LEAVE THESE GIRLS ALONE THEY ARE ONLY DEFENDING THERE SCHOOL.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 10:04:30 PMI think whoever posted those girls names and addresses should be jailed. They did a terrible, horrible, rotten thing and yes they should be punished. But NOT by anyone other than the law. You're sending a bunch of people who are feeding off of each other at teenage girls. This site continues to fall lower each passing day and I for one think the one who writes and operates this blog needs to start screening these posts before he too is facing the courts for allowing such actions to be not only taken but violence being encouraged.
Hate breeds hate. Violence toward these girls solves nothing. It won't bring her back but they can face the legal consequences for their actions and hopefully learn some humility and sympathy for others.
To the Blogger, PLEASE be more responsible for the content you allow to be posted.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:03:11 PMthe information about laurie narey is wrong. she is not the mother of kayla narey. you're ruining her reputation and life. she is an innocent woman and many people are BULLYING her like what was done to pheobe. so if you can, please remove that information. she has done nothing wrong.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:21:41 PMHope one these girls dies soon,
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:22:00 PMEither by suicide or just being them druken selves
I am in highschool and my teacher read us this article about the girl from Ireland. I heard that there are texting wars between the mean girls and other kids. The other kids are sending death threats to the mean girls. In the article it said that the mean girls bragged about making that girl commit suicide. I think those bitches will not get in any trouble. i think one or more of those girls is a sociopath because they like that they indirectly killed someone. I hate it. I am glad I go to a nice school where there is minimal bullying. Didn't anyone notice this girl was dying inside? It seems like the worst kind of death possible. I am sorry to say but i am not surprised that the murderers bragged about killing her. I think our society is screwed and there are a ton of shitty excuses for parents out there. People can get away with doing bad things and there is nothing anybody can do about it. I will be very afraid when i have a kid. I bet there will be a a one out of ten chance that your kid will die in high school in like 20 years.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:25:10 PMI know posters will hate me but I was no different from those girls, I was a mean bitch and a bully. The only difference is none of my victims took their lives. And my parents good hard working middle-class people and if they had seen or heard half the torturing I did they would have kicked my obnoxious ass. I can't tell you when or how I first became a bully but it just seemed to build up. I was striking tall thin blonde with the ability to make friends and make enemies. One thing for sure is I was very competitive and young girls don't know how to step outside that small world of high school, and I couldn't look past that. I feel beyond bad for the things I did to other girls and boys(yes girls do bully boys), I unmercifully made fun, spread false rumors, sabotaged, set-up, ridiculed, defaced and intimidated. I even gave a girl in my group of friends an eating disorder. The one thing I never did was make anyone kill themselves (though I have told one girl to do so when I was in my height of bulling). I changed and I grew up, I'm not proud of how I conducted my younger years and my husband is shocked when I tell him of my behavior. These girls are mean and cruel but so are lots of girls in every school across the country, if I had the internet when I was I school(mid-90's)I may have been a headline. What I'm saying is this kids might not have bad parents they might not be evil and the might not have meant to really drive this poor girl to suicide. They might have been just teenagers that are self obsessed and need to grow up. They will live in regret, like I did, for a long time. RIP P.R.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:43:30 PMI am in highschool and my teacher read us this article about the girl from Ireland. I
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:58:24 PMTypo, meant RIP P.P.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 01:30:02 AMThose girls will get what the deserve, trust me. They will NEVER live this down.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:35:43 AMaer said:
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:43:14 AMHow would you know if Phoebe was sick or not? The only way that you would have known if she was doing drugs is if you were doing them with her? She was depressed because of you and your other sick pig friends bulling her to her death. Did you and the other piglets burn and cut her? How else would you know if she did or did not burn or cut herself? Bottom line YOUR A LIER. What you have posted is against the law. This is harrassment, SLANDER. I called your local law enforcement department telling them about your post and faxed them a copy of it. You will STOP, the information is being forward to Phoebe's parents.
aer,
If Phoebe was sick, what was the idea behind the bullying? In your school, I would imagine that there are special ed classes with kids who have MS and MR. Do they receive the same treatment if they are in a wheelchair, etc? Harassment, and cans of drinks thrown at them after school? If they go to the hospital for a procedure and are out of school, do people post trash about them on facebook? How are "sick" people treated at your school?
I looked at the facebook pages and the truth is that Phoebe was a very pretty girl (this is actually a quality boys look for, in case you didn't know-it seems that girls in your school think boys prefer girls who act like animals, some of the other stories on the site do show some guys prefer horses and dogs, but I don't think that is the majority) the bullies are quite doggish and would have been much better off harassing their parents for plastic surgery.
They can defend their school all they want, but the truth is, next year, your school will still be there, with a replaced principle, a few replaced teachers and a few less bullies.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 04:30:24 AMI am an elementary school teacher and I was so upset about what I had HEARD about this case that I wanted to find out if it could possibly be true. So, I have read the news accounts, and I have through all of the comments that people have posted, trying to sift through what seems credible and what does not. In the process, I have certainly gotten and education on how there is no longer any privacy in this world and how harmful comments can reverberate through a whole community, leading to total mayhem. If, indeed, there were girls at SHS that drove a fragile student to take her own life, then I do hope that the family will bring a civil action against the girls' families, on whatever basis they can find, and that the authorities will also do what they can to deprive these girls of their good name and liberty, to the extent possible. If Phoebe was on antidepressants, yes, they can evoke suicidal thoughts. But, it seems quite likely that there was a precipitating series of events at the end. Teenagers who have not lived under a rock must know that their actions can have consequences and should be held accountable for those that are reasonably foreseeable. If you tell a person to kill themself, isn't it reasonably foreseeable that they will, if they have just been uprooted from all that they have known over the past 15 years? Hasn't the school had assemblies to speak on bullying and its consequences? As a teacher, I feel it is part of my job to watch out for bullying and take action, but I will be even more vigilant from now on. I think most of my colleagues would agree with me that we are never surprised when we find out who is doing some bullying. Bullies are bullies because they feel threatened and inadequate. Bullies need to be seen as weak, not strong. There needs to be education for all students to recognize and report bullies. If the bullies bet the psychological help they need, then there will be fewer victims.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 10:16:36 AMyou people are pathetic, you sit there on your lazy asses and search for something to comment on . you make fun of people , threaten them, harass & yes bully them . how are you lazy computor watchers any differant than the bullies that are in our schools ,work places, on the streets & even in all our goverments world wide. get a life! get off your computor & do something nice with your kid's , family , or even a stranger. try being a role model for all our young people, instead of teching them how to bully people on your computors.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 12:01:29 PMi'm sure bulling has gone on since this world was created & may not ever stop. thats the way some humans are. we may not stop it completely but all of you can help. get off your computor , leave all people alone in this matter & do something nice for someone. like teach the young people in this world the differance between right and wrong!!!!!!! stop the hate ,it doesn't help anyone ! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !
@enough is enough
Oh, how sweet. One of the little bully-brats (or her minions) has found her way in here. Enjoy the screwing of a lifetime. Legion does not forget.
http://partyvan.info/wiki/Mean_Girls
P.S. If that spelling is indicative of the education provided at SHHS then it would perhaps be better to just raze the school to the ground and start from scratch.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 01:06:17 PM( justice ) Go fuck yourself. How's that spelling !
Posted 01/31/2010 at 01:34:20 PMQuite honestly, people who taunt others should really just be beaten to death. There are no excuses for bullying, no excuses at all. Its saddening to know that there are people out there who have such insecurities within themselves that they take their hate out on others rather than turning themselves around to be good upstanding citizens. Personally, things like this make me glad I don't have children, because as time goes on, taunting, teasing, bullying (just being an ass clown if you ask me) just keeps getting worse as the years go by, and unfortunately the school systems, and the parents of the kids doing this junk do absolutely nothing about it. They too, should be beaten.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:35:06 PMenough is enough,
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:41:05 PMThe truth hurts. Whats the matter can't find anyone today to bully to death today?
Ashley Longe (413-533-4441),
Shannon Charon,
Flannery Mullins,
Kayla Narey(200 Lathrop St South Hadley, MA 01075 413-536-0870).
Posted 01/31/2010 at 04:33:01 PMThe Girls That Caused this chaos.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=share&gid=273752264554#
The Facebook they made right after.
Sublime,
Posted 01/31/2010 at 04:48:31 PMWhy does this FB page link back to this page? Did you just make this up? Morgan Freeman is a member?
What the..
The problem is that the law is not punishing them. There are no legal consequences for their actions. Thus the community feels it has to take it's own actions, right or wrong. If they were arrested and charged with a crime, this community retaliation may not have happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier
aer: Yes "normal" people being bullied do kill themselves by hanging and other methods. Google it and check the link above. It happened in Missouri and the people responsible were not punished. They were taken to court but eventually were let off.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 05:29:20 PM"Mom",
Posted 01/31/2010 at 08:26:36 PMI know you are Megan's mom by your post. Yes, this vile person who is of age who should feel some responsibility to younger people was let off by this judge. If I told someone "the world would be better off without you" I would do so intending to take full responsibility. However, this girl's mother is not at the mental level that you are. Don't be dismayed, however, sometimes life is it's own punishment. I was also prescribed Lexapro. It wasn't until then that I realized what really killed my father. My father walked in front of a train going 30 MPH and was killed. He had been prescribed 14 different psych meds over a 3 yr. period. I had an argument with him and didn't sit with him at lunch the last time I saw him. (he was a teacher at my school) I was 13 yrs. old that day. I then proceeded to get anorexia and then bulimia and then alcoholism, all the while allowing people to treat me like a doormat. No matter how much therapy I get or how much time passes (I am 42 now) I deep down feel responsible for his death. Trains make me feel like throwing up. They make me shake. To imagine how that would feel is my my ultimate, continuing punishment. So, even though I know logically that I am not responsible, this has stolen my life. Imagine how I would feel if I actually were responsible.
Mom,
Posted 01/31/2010 at 09:23:20 PMI know that it seems unfair but you must hold yourself to a higher standard. As I have argued with Mandy & Andryo about that Gabbard guy. I realize that these people are a lower form of life. That guy did not intend to kill someone, he's a drunk. The woman who killed your daughter on the other hand. The 2 compared, no intent vs. malice aforethought (an addict vs. a sober ugly cow who knows the power of her actions.) The law just has no precedent for it yet. When we finally anilhitate each other, we will not be able to blame it on the extinction of some exoctic animal, we must blame ourselves, man is the ruler of the world. Thus, people who would include themselves in the category of man, must take responsibility, otherwise include themselves in another category.
wow those girls are bitches, karma will get back at them. the poor girl, nd those jealouse bitches,dam. jealousey can do so much.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 11:19:42 PMMom, Did you or her doctor believe that her medication had something to do with her death? It looked pretty cut and clear, if this beautiful girl had not been bullied by this child and her mother; She would still be alive today. I believe that People do take responsibility for their own actions and are decent human beings. But there are the one's like the Bullies, the Andrew Wirth's in the world that have no respect for other human beings. So what happens? Their victims are disregarded like yesterdays garbage. Murdered, forced to commit suicide, beaten, raped and why? Because they can. Not because Bullies and Wirth's were abused as kids, antidepressants, dropped out of school, simple explanation for their sub-human behavior, because they Can.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 12:08:32 AMComments similar to some of those above were submitted to my blog but I have hidden them because some of the information is incorrect. That includes the addition of a person who does not appear to have anything to do with what happened to Phoebe Prince. I hope TrueCrimeReport also hides the posts, above, which reference the address of that person.
I've been given the names of the same four girls listed above. But there are more because those four allegedly had their friends participate in the snarky and bullying comments.
And then there's the car that went by Phoebe Prince as she walked home. Who threw the bottle at Phoebe? Who was driving the car? Who else was in the car (wasn't just girls!!). And who is the owner of that vehicle? If you have info on these four questions, please contact the Massachusetts State Police.
I wish more blogs would cover this story and the problem of bullying in public schools. I wish the kids who harassed Phoebe Prince to the point that she felt so hopeless would get some courage and step forward to admit their ugly deeds. And I wish that stupid-ass principal and superintendent would resign from their jobs. A girl died on their watch due to their indifference. A girl who had her whole life in front of her.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 01:44:37 AMI just think its funny that now that a girl kills herself over bullying something should finally be done, why wasn't something enforced way before this had happened. Not only should the girls involved be punished but the adminstrators of the high school should also be punished for not catching something so open quick enough. The girls started this but the teachers and adminstrators let it go on for as long as it did.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 03:04:06 AMThere are some SERIOUS problems going on in this school.
I was bullied in High School, but never like that.
The girls responsible for this are proud of what they did, which makes this situation even worse.
I cannot fathom how this went on without notice.
How does a school administration NOT notice a group of girls relentlessly harassing this poor girl.
High schools suck. The girls were probably quite popular with the teachers and administration as well as popular to the student body, so they more than likely were not suspected of being a part of it.
HATE high school bullshit like that.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 03:38:24 AMSo backwards. And WRONG.
Those report about Laurie Narey being unrelated to Kayla Narey are bullshit. Kayla has been cutting Facebook ties with her family. She's now down to 30 people. However, Bob Narey (the older man with the white hair) was just a few days ago Facebook friends with both Laurie Narey and Kayla Narey. So yes, they are very much related and anyone claiming otherwise is trying to spread misinformation.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 05:27:57 AMKPR:
That is complete and utter nonsense. I attended private school for seven years and was routinely bullied both verbally and physically, not just by the kids who were "cooler" than I, but by the ones who were richer, too (I was there on financial aid.) Not only did the teachers look the other way- some of them actively encouraged it or participated in it. I was told I needed to "toughen up." Thankfully, this was before cellphones and the Internet were ubiquitous- lord knows if I would have survived otherwise. Private schools are just as bad if not worse for this sort of thing, because the population is smaller- there are fewer ways to live in comfortable anonymity or to find other rejects to hang out with.
What you sound like is an ideologue who just has a problem with the American idea of state-funded education.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:14:16 AMRE: Those report about Laurie Narey being unrelated to Kayla Narey are bullshit. Kayla has been cutting Facebook ties with her family.
Leave this poor women alone! Innocent people are being dragged into this whole nightmare, stick to having the teens held responsible and thats it.
Please spread the word that this poor women is not related to these girls.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=290139423808&id=267095363109#/photo.php?pid=3269713&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=267095363109&id=507012021
Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:14:40 AMFail. Weak human. Useless.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:47:36 AMYou know who should be arrested? The parents who keep sending their kids to schools like this.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 04:37:08 PMWhat a sad, depressing story to read. Yet, it might have been avoided if Phoebe's parents were informed about the dangers online, had some form of monitoring software installed on Phoebe's pc and met with the school principle. My husband and I take nothing for granted these days, in particular, with technology. We were told about a site, www.guardchild.com, that provided us with the knowledge and software selection to purchase and protect our three children. Parents and educators need to be knowledgeable about this and other kinds of digital abuse and be proactive in protecting young people from becoming victims.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 04:49:54 PMMy teen daughter asked me to let her do home schooling instead of going to high school because she said the kids were really mean to her and that is exactly what I did. She is totally responsible for her school work and she gets excellent grades. She is a much happier child. Reading about this beautiful girl suffering so much supports my decision about home schooling. Kids can be terribly cruel!
Posted 02/01/2010 at 05:32:13 PMGood grief!! I remember well that some kids were "in" and others were "out" i.e. not the most popular, but I don't EVER remember this kind of nastiness and cruelty to classmates. Maybe I was just lucky to be in a small high school. Can't imagine either that any of the teachers or principals I knew would have tolerated that sort of behavior among the students.... WHAT has gone wrong??? Yes, I agree with one of you who asked what kind of parents could have produced such insensitive, entitled and mean-spirited little monsters..... YIKES!
Posted 02/01/2010 at 06:52:41 PMTom you wanker! Is that good enough english for you.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 07:14:30 PMR.I.P Phoebe Prince
This is such a terrible tragedy. These girls should be prosecuted as adults for Defamation of Character and Libel. Perhaps the parents should be sued as well- setting a precedent is warranted in a case like this- driving a young person to kill themselves.
My condolences to this child's family.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 08:48:22 PMThis is one of the most horrible things i heard. Them snobby bitches should be punished.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 09:07:52 AMMaybe she was just caught being too white in a public school system. This was my experience too.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 10:52:59 AMThe parents are to blame, not the school.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 03:26:46 PMJohn said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
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Truth hurts? They ARE shitty little girls. I'll go as far as to say they are a pack of whorthless bitches.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 04:43:11 PMJohn said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
Posted 02/02/2010 at 07:03:43 PMIt takes a lot of guts to write something like this. If Pete wrote this article you have stood up for all of the people that have been bullied. More people need to take a stand against crap like this, if more of us did maybe there would be less of it
My Brother hung himself back it 2001. He was 13 years old. I was 19 at the time. We grew up in a very rich town; however we were very very poor.. We all had tough times trying to "fit in" and " belong".. Anyhow, my brother showed no signs of being suicidal. And one afternoon he hung himself. After hearing stories from his friends and peers, it all started making sense.. He was being bullied. We should HOLD THESE KIDS ( WHO ARE BULLYING ) RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.... JAIL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 02/02/2010 at 11:45:13 PMit's not just a public school thing. i go to an expensive private school where students get detention for having coffee in the hallways, but a mere "talking to" for hate crimes.... people have been bullied for race and religion and sexual, and the school administrators have not punished them because their families donate money to the school.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 12:55:50 AM*sexual orientation
Posted 02/03/2010 at 12:56:49 AMi.e., bullied because they are gay or suspected to be gay
Stone the girls and Cane the parents. I am sure those little monsters were never disciplined by their parents. All the bleedings hearts about child abuse I am sure those girls could of use a good whipping from their parents so the parents are responsible. Don't blame society! They and the parents are responsible! As for any school officials who received reports in the past a public flogging and let them keep their jobs so they can better prevent this happening again.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 01:18:43 AMIt is fascinating what a judgemental, bully-mob mentality we have here on the comments page...
Calling the girls in question bitches, suggesting everyone in the school be punished, dropping a bomb on that "Hick town"... really guys? No comment.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 06:58:53 AMA commenter said girls can be terrible. So can boys. I used to be taunted with footballs once thrown at me while I was sitting high up on a ledge. The boys could have seriously injured or god forbid killed me if they had been successful at hitting me with the football. Girls were pretty bad to me too but fortunately Facebook didn't exist when I went to high school. High school officials generally have a lax attitude towards bullying. The nasty girls were obviously raised quite badly to put it mildly. I feel terribly for Phoebe and her family. I wish Phoebe had been stronger though. I used to be bullied starting at a young age. The bullying actually for the most part ended in 10th grade. I experience bullying from a few students later in college though. Afterwards I was subject to bullying by professors of all people in graduate school. Bullying has unfortunately been a major theme in my life but not once did suicide ever cross my mind. The rotten little girls were horribly cruel but one needs to find the strength to hang in there. The school should help victims of bullying find that strength.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 07:41:28 AMTo all the future Phoebe Prince's out there:
Don't kill yourself.
Kill them.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 08:56:40 AMjesus fucking christ....rest in peace phoebe prince, i really hope you have found your peace in death
scum who torment people like this should be executed outright, this is beyond appalling
Posted 02/03/2010 at 10:15:40 AMthis is so sad.... i cant imagine how difficult this is on her family. and what a disgusting shame to the family of the bullies. this poor young girl who felt so alone and felt too afraid to seek help. keeping the prince family in my prayers... i'm sorry this had been their experience coming to this country... to give something better to thier children. i think something much more harsh than a suspension should happen to these children. and no... maybe they didnt think she would commit suicide... but... she obviously was in fear for her safety... why shouldnt these girls ...or ANYONE who bullies face some kind of attempted assault charges... i was always taught growing up... "YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF"... where does any child grow up thinking its ok to hit... or even THREATEN to hurt someone else!!
and who is the IDIOT who thinks its a priority to point out the grammar of how one is "hanged" and not "hung"... what an asshole...
Posted 02/03/2010 at 12:44:22 PMAshley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins and Kayla Narey were the bullies.
And a girl who defended them after the death is Grace Szydziak (friends of these awful girls).
Posted 02/03/2010 at 02:01:46 PMSad, really sad. Her parents should go to these girls house and blow them away. That's how I feel right now.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 02:47:17 PMI have experienced extreme bullying at school. I understand what she went through and I can't comprehend how girls who barely knew her could hate her so much and wish her dead.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 03:35:20 PMWhen those girls that bullied ARE OLD, UGLY IN AND OUT, AND MISERABLE I PRAY THEY REALIZE WHAT THEY DID TO PHOEBE PRINCE. KARMA, KARMA GIRLS--you will see... Start praying now although it will not help due to the selfish cruel act of taking ones life.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 03:45:32 PMsadly these bullies wont regret a thing most of their lives. It will be when they turn 60-70 and think back after a good medical scare, about how they treated others and if their beauty can buy them a one way ticket to heaven :(
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:01:26 PMold age tends to make people reflect more, including the most devout atheists.
I remember being bullied. I am 42 years old and it still makes me sick. My offence was that of sweet Phoebe. I was a freshman...and was asked out by the popular senior wrestler, football player, basketball player...all around jock. WOW! what a crime. Those girls who made my life miserable....I hope they are ashamed still today like I am still hurt today. Rest in Peace sweet Phoebe. I have three daughters...my heart aches for her family.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:01:49 PMWRONG FACEBOOK LINK
Some PEOPLE have posted my facebook page link on here at least 6 times and I have nothing to do with this. Its suppose to be a link to the (Mean girls) but its not,its just me a mom. Read before you post or link. This is how the it starts.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:35:15 PMThis is terrible. Do people even have the brain span to know when enough is enough? Seriously, if it was about the girl liking that guy, there is so many other people. I feel bad to think of how terrible it was for someone to want to kill themselves.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:37:54 PMThe bullies didnt murder her, they supplied the verbal rope.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:39:29 PMEach human being decides their own fate when contemplating suicide. We need to teach our kids to be strong, that life is a gift.
These bullies should be punished for their acts, not murder.
My 15 yr old daughter used to come home crying every few days from the abuse she took at school. I was on the phone every time with the school. Ive turned from Momma bear to grizzly bear and jumped on the bus to LOUDLY discuss my anger with the ring leader of the bus bully. I just barged past the bus driver as soon as the door opened and said my peace.
My daughter is thin, beautiful and smart... whereas the bullies are big girls, plain Janes, no academic classes. Bullies arent always the pretty ones or the popular ones.
I was thrilled that recently my girl kicked one of our bullies butts when they trapped her down the hall.
Her Tae kwon do classes paid off. My 5 foot tall 90 lb. girl took down the biggest girl who was the first to strike. (since TKD students are taught to use it in SELF DEFENSE only)
Now no one in school messes with her. Self defense is mandatory in this type of world we live in.
life is about Love and forgiveness. Phoebes parents are suffering but I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive the monsters who added fuel to the fire.
These bullies are ignorant children, doing what kids have from the dawn of school. Ask anyone of any age, bullies were always around.
They are usually the insecure children that use power to hide behind, strength in numbers type of crap. Its easy to point a finger but more logical to try to find a way to stop this. jumps off the soap box
Very cool story, Donna. I'm happy for your daughter.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:43:36 PMI am disturbed by the suggestion that all the bullied need to do is toughen up or fight back. Teenagers are confused, hormone-riddled people who blow everything out of proportion. Bullied kids, in addition, feel persecuted and humiliated. "Toughening up" might be arming themselves. "Fighting back" might mean another Columbine.
If half the (presumably) adults on this page advocate killing the bullies, don't you think that a bullied kid might want to kill a bully?
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:47:28 PMBullying starts at home!
A friend of mine has coached soccer for years and is great with kids. His daughter and this girl Mary were best buddies for years. Mary's dad did nt like where Mary played on the team, he wanted her to play offense even though he always screamed at her when she made a mistake.
So he went off and created a new team, lied to parents to build a team etc etc. My friend had no problem with that, good for him he said I am glad he is interested in doing more. However, Mary started to treat her former BFF like a leper before this new team was announced, she would walk away when coach's daughter saat down to talk to her, ignore her when Mary was with her new buds, never call for a play date when she said she would - treated like leper. Well my friend guessed that Mary was hearing a lot of crap at home about the coach - which was confirmed by another family who were visiting and heard it all! Mary's dad was bad mouthing the coach in front of his own kids, the visiting kids and the parents of visiting kids.
Now Mary and Coach's daughter who used to be BFF's rarely talk all because the dad was an Axx. My friend was devestated at the way his daughter was treated by Mary (former BFF's). Did I mention they were ten and nine?
It all starts at home!
Posted 02/03/2010 at 05:27:33 PMI'm sorry for the tragic loss
Posted 02/03/2010 at 07:48:09 PMit is so sad how such a young girl who could have had a bright future died due to something so mean. It is also very sad that teachrs cant see and understand what is going on. Something needs to get done. Teachers need to understand, because it is clear the "no bulling at school" rule works.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 08:43:37 PMBrian said:
To all the future Phoebe Prince's out there:
Don't kill yourself.
Kill them.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 12:28:37 AM^THAT IS AWFUL ADVICE!
Quite honestly, I went to Franklin County Tech and all the kids that came from out towards Hadley were uppity, crude, judgmental, snide, insulting, and just plain mean kids. All of them. They wouldn't talk to anyone that wasn't from their area and even based their opinions of other students merely on where they lived. Kids from the Sunderland area and beyond are terrible to their fellow students. I have never seen such blatant hate and discrimination for no reason at all. It is horrendous how these kids are raised to hate anyone not like them. This is terrible news, however, I'm not surprised these girls were capable of being the monsters they are raised to be.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 12:32:42 AMKids today are so rude and cruel. If my daughter was put through this.....let's just say those girls would never get another chance to bully another girl.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 02:53:35 AMThe contact phone and addresses of the mean girls are here: http://partyvan.info/wiki/Mean_Girls#Mean_Girls But I have no idea how accurate it is.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 07:23:03 AMi cant belive those selfish girls i hope something bad happens to them i have been bullied before
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:25:31 AMso stop
Please Note: Another sad result of this incident is that the phone number and address being propagated on the internet and on this site for Ashley Long actually belongs to seriously ill 70 year old woman who is now being harrassed.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 10:31:53 AMSite manager/administrator please in honor of Phoebe Prince remove the phone number ending 4441 for Ashley as it is not her number. The harrassment this elder is recieving is just as disgusting and cowardly as the bullying that was done by ashley.
Not that I condone what the "mean girls" did; bullying is definitely an awful thing. That being said, why should it be Facebook's or a cellphone carrier's fault, and why should the liberty of free speech be denied on social networking websites? It would be a huge privacy issue if Facebook screened private messages for "threats", "bullying", or whatnot. Also, why should the girls be held criminally accountable? I do believe their actions where wrong and all, but really, they did not kill the girl. Be real people how stupid would you have to be to kill yourself because of "mean people" and Facebook messages? The girl obviously had bigger issues. Being depressed, having a mental disorder, or just being stupid enough to commit suicide for such a petty reason was not the mean girls fault. Actually it's probably more the fault of her parents for not having forged a relationship with the girl where she could have confided her problems to them and actually resolve the situation she was in.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 01:14:20 PMNot that I condone what the "mean girls" did; bullying is definitely an awful thing. That being said, why should it be Facebook's or a cellphone carrier's fault, and why should the liberty of free speech be denied on social networking websites? It would be a huge privacy issue if Facebook screened private messages for "threats", "bullying", or whatnot. Also, why should the girls be held criminally accountable? I do believe their actions where wrong and all, but really, they did not kill the girl. Be real people how stupid would you have to be to kill yourself because of "mean people" and Facebook messages? The girl obviously had bigger issues. Being depressed, having a mental disorder, or just being stupid enough to commit suicide for such a petty reason was not the mean girls fault. Actually it's probably more the fault of her parents for not having forged a relationship with the girl where she could have confided her problems to them and actually resolve the situation she was in.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 01:14:20 PMBULLYING is still "allowed" in schools, and the school adminstration....generally does not "Act" until....too late. My own son was bullied...and..I worked "with the system"...which did nothing..until a "violent assualt" that led to his "jaw being broke in two".
Posted 02/04/2010 at 04:57:40 PMThat "KID"...aka..."FELON"...was convicted this year of "Felony Assualt".
MY ADVICE to all PARENTS---If your kid is being bullied...TAKE THEM OUT OF THAT SCHOOL...IMMEDIATELY!!!
*This is not about..."Being Afraid to Face Life's Problems"....KIDS today..go from Verbal to Violent bullying, and the schools NEVER PUNISH the bullies because they always have an excuse. (HE has a Bad Home Life..or...we can't suspend "them" or "him" unti...he kills your kid...)
HOME SCHOOL them...or get them into another school district, but....DO NOT TRUST TEACHERS or ADMINISTRATORS to do anything....but "COVER THIER ASSES"...after your kid is injured.====SAVE YOUR KIDS--TAKE THEM OUT OF SCHOOL!
So they are saying those girls are untouchable but no one is from everyday life and where are these girls parents do they not care what their children have done or how they are acting i live in western mass i know that in 5-6 years when my boys are in high school if anything like this comes up im the type of parent thats gonna be at school everyday doing something about it. It is so sad to see things like this happen
Posted 02/04/2010 at 07:10:29 PMsad to see young life take there own life away because other humans with no self respect for themselves or otheres are jealous. they have no respect for someones dignity. i think the kids who were bullying this girl should face criminal charges, and if not that fines or some kind of punishment. sorry for the parents of that child. you guys are in my prayers.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 07:46:03 PMSend these little witches to Idaho. We have the death penalty...and we USE IT!
Their families proved what kind of scum they are. All the money you have won't stop you from rotting with Satan for eternity!
Bullies are PUNKS and COWARDS!
Send them out here and we'll show them some West justice!
Posted 02/04/2010 at 08:52:13 PMI too was the victim of bullying. When I was 10 years old, my family moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Right after I transferred to a grammar school, one girl in particular tried to make my life a living hell. Even the teacher bullied me and would spank me in front of the class. It took me years to get over this and I only hope that if there are other children out there that are being bullied, please get help and don't stop getting help. Mean kids are usually suffering from low self esteem and don't know that they are destroying other kids' lives. I am praying for all the kids all over the world who are being bullied that they will find the strength to make it
Posted 02/04/2010 at 08:53:52 PMthru the humiliation because there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Ma has harrasment and stalking law which this behavior is deemed a crime, a felony, even 17 year old trash can be proscecuted. Instead of blogging, write your support of this to the DA
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:00:24 PMWhere are the parents in this story? Who are the parents who raise (or not) these girls? Are they too busy to pay attention? Are they now busy making sure their sweet girls face no punishment? Or are they working with authorities to help teach these girl-beasts that their actions had terrible consequences and thus require comparable consequences for them?
And how do they account for the fact that her 12 year-old sister found her? How can they account for the fact that their daughters go on living even though they have basically driven another to take her life -- and all of the grief those who loved her must now endure.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:01:28 PMi have expierienced such terrible harassment myself. its terrible and deigacefull. i learned that i had to ignore it. they are all just jelous. it drove me to attempted scuicide. i was stopped by my mother in the middle. i would cut myself as well trying to make the pain go away. you feal alone and deffenseless. for those girls who did this to this poor beautiful young women should go to hell. how dare they still taunt her on her memorial site ! that is absolutly disgusting. i hope they serve jail time. they deserve no futer. Rest in peace phoebe. my prayers are with you and your family. im sorry this couldnt be stopped before you took your life away. its a shame. you were so much better then them.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:06:52 PMWhere are the Parents???????????
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:47:51 PMi agree wit ej fact i think these girl should get the shit beat outta them
Posted 02/04/2010 at 11:52:31 PMso bad that they never speak again
Someone who identified herself as grace szydziak left a comment on my blog to leave her and her friends alone... and to not visit her facebook if I don't know her.
I wish the christy lynne person who commented a few days ago would come back and update us on what is going on in her school.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 12:15:48 AMI my self and a close friend of mine are constantly bullied just simply because they have nothing better to do. They do not like the fact that i dated on of my bullies ex boyfriends and as well my friend. Months later and still to this day these girls do not leave us alone, they interrogate us and harass us and call us names and myself personally have a severe allergy to peanut-butter and they constantly say oh i love it lets go eat it lets try to kill her with it to the point where i've thought about killing myself and i've come close. If it weren't for my true friends i probably wouldn't be alive today. Girls are really crewel these days and will do anything to other girls to satisfy them selves. It greatly affects me that this poor young girl was actually driven over the edge when i had the encouragement and support from people to back away and not let it bother me.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 12:17:33 AMPlease girls if you read this and you are a victim just think about the satisfaction you would leave with them think about the fact that they will do it because they know it bothers you, if you ignore what they have to say they will eventually go away. You are better then them, look at you and look at them, who takes the time to sit there and make things up about people, stupid girls who have no lives and are jealous of yours and probably something you have that they cant. Opposed to you, the one who just lives their life and has better things to do then be a pathetic cyber bully.
I just wanted to say that yes this story is very sad esp. to hear when you have kids of your own you love them and want them to feel safe, but c'mon pull the plug on yourself just because you're bullied. Give me a break. I was an immigrant from Europe and bullied and when I was a kid and I never even told my parents. Doing such a thing never even entered my mind. Children have to be taught the consequenses for such actions. kids have to know that they can always run to there parents for love and help. I always did.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 12:53:06 AMas a person who was severly bullied as a child as well as one being fortunate to have visited ireland twice (including county claire) i can imagine the shock phoebe endured upon moving to the "greatest country in the world". in truth she perished in one country that has pretended to be another since its inception. our schools are crap, our elected officials are moral cowards who lead the usa, (along with the rest of the world)to financial ruin because none of them had the guts to stand up and tell our minorities that home ownership is not a right and our parents make little effort to watchdog the schools their child attends. in ireland i once shared a bus with some of the local prep school students at the end of their day and their conduct was beyond exemplary. they were so courteous i actually felt more at home in their village of kinsale then i have ever felt anywhere in the great usa. every principal, teacher, superintendant, pompous coach/phys.ed teacher and anyone else (including students)connected with the great train wreck called the american education system should bow their heads and pray for phoebe,s sacred soul as well as the redemption of their own, as they all know darn well their criminal indifference and arrogance has created other phoebes who today are either six feet under or are living vacant lives, forever denied the being they could have been.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:21:02 AMThese spoiled bitches should be given a chance to go to jail or join the army as in they used to in the old days. We know how to straighten out bullies and bitches who think their shit don't stink. Blanket Party anyone?
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:10:19 AMIt is good - but "sad" to see all these comments here. I haven't read through them all, but most appear to be from people (like myself) who went through this same hell in school. I can't remember going to school for even just one day and being happy. What these comments tell me is that there are A LOT of "us" out there. As adults, which most of us probably are now, we need to makes sure these other adults (superintendent, principal, etc.) are held accountable for their inaction. I look back on my childhood in school and wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. It was a living hell; that has affected my entire life and how I look at (and "see") most everyone. I am a loner; I don't like people and don't trust anyone but my parents. I don't know how I ever made it past doing the same thing as Phoebe - and to say my heart bleeds for her would be an understatement. This kid did not deserve what happened to her. Anyone who thinks this bullying had little to do with her death are living in a fantasy land. If Mass. politicians choke on this (yes, those from Mass. KNOW we've got the most spineless political hacks in the country) we (people) need to make them act - or kick them out of office. The town of S. Hadley needs to be forced to terminate this Superintendent; he has no claim to any money due on his contract because he didn't do his job. The town needs to booting those girls out of the school system for good. Like other posters here, I'd love to seem them all beaten to a pulp. Forget "talk", the only thing people like this understand is getting back what they've given. I bet if these girls were put in Boston (or some other inner city school) they'd be at the bottom of the so called "totem pole" and be afraid to raise their head for fear of getting a punch in the mouth.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 11:19:04 AMWow .If any of those girls were my daughter they would never see the light of day . Obviously their parents dont give a f*** about wats going on . Saying that it was their right to freedom of speech is horrible. People are so sick and twisted.
Poor girl :( I hope bullies now realize what they are capable of. Saying a few words can really harm a person's self esteem. Especially a young girl's.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:15:43 PMThe problem here is that parents are too busy being friends and not parents. They dont want to 'invade their childs privacy' or 'hurt their feelings', which is complete crap. KIDS DONT HAVE PRIVACY! They havent lived long enough to EARN IT. As a parent it is YOUR JOB to check their backpacks as often as possible, check cell phones at random a few times a week, keep tabs on who they talk to, what they say, where they go, and how they behave. Talk to teachers regularly, check their rooms FOR ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. Kids dont need privacy, and this bullshit needs to stop. They also dont need cell pones. I graduated in 2003 and I didnt have my first phone until I was 20, and look everyone, I am still alive! These kids faceboks should be TAKEN DOWN, and their parents should have been MONITORING THEM DAILY. If anyone is to blame, its the parents as much as the children. If a child of mine ever pulled a stunt like this, one of two things would happen:I would be hauling her ass off to the nearest police station and telling them that I DONT WANT HER ANYMORE, OR i WOULD BE REARRANGING MY LIFE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH HER EVERY DAY FOR THE DURATION OF HER HIGH SCHOOL CAREER, AND THE ONLY COLLEGE SHE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR WOULD BE COMMUNITY, AT BEST. Obviously these girls arent going to school to learn anything, so why bother sending them at all?
Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:44:26 PMI think this is a terrible thing to have happen, and it doesn't seem like there is any controversy in that. The con-traversal part of this subject is how best to deal with this situation. Beating the tar out of those girls solves absolutely nothing, and to even suggest that seems totally inappropriate. Using violence and intolerance to show violence and intolerance is wrong? Come on!
Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:58:48 PMThese girls clearly have some serious insecurities as well, and honestly...who can blame them? I think there were a lot of hands involved in why this terrible event happened. The school should have acted, the parents should have taught their kids that this wasn't ok, but those only help to a point. Look at the media now-a-days. The younger generations are growing up in a world where death is a constant theme and in some cases laughed at. TV, movies, and even music now is just all about being the most beautiful person, and teaching that being self centered is the way to be. Topics that used to be heavy to talk about are being made light of. Human life is taken for granted. The message of "I'm right, your wrong, if you have a problem with that then fuck yourself" comes across everywhere and not only in high school. People think bullying is a high school happening but completely overlook all those times they point at someone and laugh at the way they are dressed, who they are holding hands with, or what religion they relate to. Intolerance is a theme everywhere we look, so how can we expect these young kids to be any different? Before criticizing and pointing a finger at everyone else, we need to take a hard look into the mirror. To change the world we must first change ourselves.
I agree, there absolutely needs to be serious consequences for this, but beating these girls up is not the way. They need to be properly educated, shown the right path, and even given a caring hand to show that, though they did wrong...they are still human. As they grow up and mature they will have to live with the fact that they were the most hated people in school, and that they even killed someone. The people who show the least amount of love, need it the most.
It is the parents' fault. Period.
The fact that these girls could purposely try to make someone else feel so horrible is a direct result of not having been taught values, which should be taught in the home. You cannot expect the school to do it, it is not the school's responsibility. You don't learn values from having a different teacher every year who is handling the education (which by the way is what they are paid to do and have been trained to do) of 20 + other individuals. Children learn values day in, day out, from consistent examples from their parents and family members throughout their lives.
As a teenager I was scared of my parents who disciplined me, without violence, but with love and consequences. And I learned from them because they were around, every day. We had one car and one bathroom for 6 people. My parents sacrificed. But my mom was there everyday when i walked in the door to make sure that homework was done, I was fed properly, I went outside to play to get exercise, instead of watching TV, etc. I didn't get every F'ing toy I wanted, I got love instead. It might have made me upset at the time, but boy am I happy about it now.
Today parents are more concerned about keeping up with the Jones', at any cost, which means spending less time to make more money to buy what the kids want, or to do selfish things for themselves. They musht have the big house and cars etc., and kids see that. All the kids really want is attention and love. And when they don't get it at home, they act out and get the attention in other ways. In this case, by bullying others.
Those girls - the bullies - did what they did as a result of being neglected. And I am not talking about neglect of home, clothes, food, computers, toys, cars, pedicures, manicures, designer jeans, $$$ or other material things. I am talking about neglect of love. And their parents should be held accountable.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:03:58 PMThe school district released a report for the press... which doesn't say a whole heck of anything. No particulars at all.
You can click on my name if this link does not work thru this site: http://media.masslive.com/breakingnews/other/SOUTH%20HADLEY%20PUBLIC%20SCHOOLS%20PRESS%20RELEASE%20February%205,%202010.pdf
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:08:51 PMASHLEY LONG'S NUMBER IS NOT 413-533-4441 as is being propagated on the internet by Mean Girls Website.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:49:18 PMPlease Note: Another sad result of this incident is that the phone number and address being propagated on the internet and on this site for Ashley Long actually belongs to seriously ill 70 year old woman who is now being harrassed.
Site manager/administrator please in honor of Phoebe Prince remove the posts with phone number ending 4441 for Ashley as it is not her number. The harrassment this elder is recieving is just as disgusting and cowardly as the bullying that was done by ashley.
Wow, I was actually one of the "mean girls" in middle school, but quickly grew out of it in high school. This is because i developed a CONSCIENCE. These girls that bullied Phoebe must be dumb rich kids who have no regard for other people's well-being. I hope their high school doesn't let these girls forget what they did. Of course they aren't 100% responsible for Phoebe's suicide, but they were clearly a MAJOR contributing factor. RIP Phoebe.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:08:54 PMAs for taking Facebook away, that is almost impossible to do as it is "now". However, all Facebook, Myspace and other sites need to do is hold PARENTS responsible for what is posted there. If this was done, society and Phoebe's parents (and other parents) would be able to hold the PARENT'S of those kids responsible and would be able to do so if a parent needed to give permission WITH A CREDIT CARD to get one of these (social networking site) accounts. Finally, Mom and Dad's ass would be on the line. As for these bullies and "self esteem" ... sorry, but absolutely NO F'n way!!! I know about all the psychobable and all the "poor me" BS that comes out of that crap. It's the same garbage we see in prison when these a'holes criminals find "Jesus", Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or "whatever" to get out of jail; all THAT is BS; it's a big con! It's always the trouble makers that get all the attention. The only way to deal with assholes like these bullies is to teach them first-hand what it feels like to be on the other side. Most kids (actually, ALL kids) that bully KNOW they are causing hurt to others; it's not like they are clueless to what they are doing (and have done); it's a big power trip. No, they need "reinforcement" (how's THAT for shrink talk) - and the reinforcement frankly speaking is a SERIOUS BEATING on "them" by someone "cooler" and tougher. I would bet my last cent that "this" would solve the problem in no time flat. Once the beating "happens", that kid (bully) needs to be told "if it happens again" (you bullying someone) so too will "this" (you getting the pulp beat out of YOU - only next time it will be worse). Let THEM come to school day in and day out and walk on eggshells. No pity from me for any bullies - and none whatsoever for their parents or school officials. This loser Superintendent needs to go. He was clueless to what was going on in his school system. Now we are hearing just HOW "clueless" he was; apparently this is a MAJOR problem there and has been for years. Like the loser Principal at Columbine who thought nothing of having a "Trenchcoat Mafia" in his school, this dude is out of touch with reality and not doing his job; unfortunately, the price "paid" was the life of this beautiful girl. He needs to go NOW!
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:11:07 PMThanks to the idea that "its a choice to be offended" that is so prevalent today, this type of thing is going to happen more and more. If someone gets upset about something you say and kills them-self it's not YOUR fault. It's all THEIR fault for "choosing" to be offended.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:16:17 PMRIGHT! What ever happened to empathy?
Even if you are being bullied, I don't really believe that's a reason to commit suicide. If I were the one who was being bullied, I would've messed back, not kill myself.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:33:27 PMMisty, that's fine for YOU. However, everyone is different and when you've got a GROUP of bullies beating on "1" (you/me) that is a lot easier said than done. Some people here (Boston) are blaming Phoebe for killing herself. With a name like "Misty", I'll assume you're a woman. That being the case, can you understand how "some" woman would be full of anger and kill a rapist ... while some would be (and often are) "traumatized for life". As survivor says "what happened to empathy?" From my perspective, the "problem" was the bullies and like any other trouble maker, it is THEY who've got to deal with repercussions of their "crime". If someone drives drunk, he/she may just be lucky and make it home without killing someone or getting caught. However, the opposite may happen; they may get caught and might just kill someone and end up in the can for years. These bullies (IMHO) committed a crime; actually, in Massachusetts, they DID commit a "crime". They need to suffer for the outcome of their crime - whatever that outcome may be - and in this case, the outcome was an innocent person being driven to take her own life. I sincerely WOULD like them do time - even if only a month. And, they should also do long term community service (years) - talking to younger kids about what they did (wrong) and that their behavior (bullying) is intolerable in a civilized society. If you had been bullied, perhaps nothing would have happened (you wouldn't have killed yourself - and that we wouldn't be "here" now). However, this young woman "did" - and it was the direct actions of these bullies that drove her to do so. If they hadn't bullied her, would she be dead "now" (or not). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to answer this question. I don't know where you're from, and I DO know that bullying goes on everywhere. However, this "mindset" runs deep here (Massachusetts). So many people back there think they are "tough". Everything back here is "who you know"? We've got corrupt politicians that get away with behavior that would never be tolerated in other states I've lived in. We've got parents in the MOB; yes, even today, almost every neighborhood in metro Boston has some "MOB" presence - even if it is just petty stuff like gambling. Google "Carmen The Cheeseman" and ask if "this" (what you "see") is typical of most American cities in 2010? No, it's like something out of a movie. In many ways, Boston is still stuck in the 1930s with corruption and graft. Regardless, my point is that this state is just NOT a nice place to raise kids unless you've got the connections that get YOUR kid "taken care" of (at school) - not just with bullying, but with getting a good education as well. If not, you (as a kid) are just "invisible". The same is true for you (parent) as well. "Know someone" and you are "taken care of" with a nice cushy government job like "Supervisor of Weights and Measures" (do nothing all day - collect 100K), state police job, fireman job, etc. Many people elsewhere don't know it, but many cops and firefighters back here make well over 100K - and "it's all who you know". Phoebe's death (life) can't be for nought. She deserves OUR support; this child should be sitting down to supper right but and she's laying in a grave because a bunch of F'n a'holes.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:22:11 PMThis is truly what America has come to. Although at some point in your life You are responsible for the choices you make, a LOT has to do with how you are raised. I think not only these cruel children, but their parents as well should be punnished for how they behaved. Be a responsible human! Controll your children! Discipline them and teach them an appropriate way to behave.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:22:55 PMYes Truth, the parents should be right next to their daughters doing the same "time". If parents were put in the stocks for their kids' behavior, we'd see none of "this" going on. I (you - society and YOUR kids) should not have to suffer because adults don't (won't) parent their kids. For every kid who is "trouble", there is a parent(s) NOT doing their job.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:29:19 PMnice try garry you fucking liar. you must be from the family. Funny how i talked to the little bitch
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:50:49 PMBeyond tragic. These kids need severe punishment and so do their parents.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 08:29:56 PMI can't get Phoebe off my mind. I pray that parents EVERYWHERE will be aware of what and who there kids are becoming. Don't be afraid to talk to your kids. they NEED it!!
Posted 02/05/2010 at 11:11:55 PMReading some of these postings that stated that Phoebe should have defended herself; Maybe physically or verbally. I watched a few news reports on her. Phoebe probably didn't stick up for herself because she was a tiny little thing. The bullies are a lot bigger than she was, some of the bullies look fat.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 12:29:38 AMWhile it's true that she was a beautiful girl, as everyone seems to be pointing out, it really doesn't matter what she looked like. People are people and deserve to be treated humanly at the very least. Crucifying the mean girls (though they do deserve a severe punishment) won't make Phoebe and her family's pain go away. We need to focus on preventing these situations. We must strive to be kind. A speaker came to my school several years ago and said that he spoke with a teenage boy who attempted suicide. The boy said that he walked down the hallway at school and said to himself that if one person smiled at him he would reconsider killing himself, no one did. We must each strive to be the person that smiles, each small gesture of love matters. As you go about your day remember Phoebe and all the other people who are bullied and try to spread kindness and love. You matter and all the people around you do too. As the awesome band Harry and the Potters sing, "The weapon we have is love."
Posted 02/06/2010 at 12:29:54 AMWhoever feels for Phoebe Prince and other poor kids that ended up like her because of those who bullied them, think that there are still many kids that are bullied every day and maybe this very minute someone somewhere needs help that he cannot get, and earlier or later that will result in another story of a kid bullied to death.
If you wish to find a way to stop consider that the only way to do so is to actually fight back. Of course legally, but fight back through fighting for every kid that needs help. if we sit and wait and think nothing can be done, then nothing will be done. but if we get to unite then we could help. there are all kinds of networks now in the world. creating a network where kids who need help can actually get that qualifying help for free ( psychological, legal, even financial if needed) is something that could make change in the world.
if you wish to help, become a part of something that could be bigger than one person, bigger than ten people, something big enough to make more impact than just sit and pity poor kids that cannot be protected, please join the circle.
http://jointhecircle.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/stop-the-bullying/
this is not spam. this is just the idea to come up with the network that could actually bring something meaningful and save someone else's life.
We need to try and do something. Even if that doesn't solve everything, we need to do at least SOMETHING as there is nothing more horrible than just sit back and watch.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 07:05:17 AMThe writer wrote, “America, it seems, did not give her a very kind welcome.”
This is false. Phoebe Prince had friends, a lot of them actually. She was a smart, pretty, charming girl and a lot of people liked her. It’s unfortunate that those few people that didn’t like her went too far. We are all upset, and we would all like for the girls to be punished, but it’s absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Leave it up to the police. You, from other towns, don’t know a damned thing about what is going on in our community right now. All you know, or all you think you know, is that some poor immigrant was bullied and killed herself.
People of the world, did you know that she had friends? She had a lot of really good friends. We’re all upset by this, so please let us mourn.
KobeWearsAPurpleThong, you said “They should just drop a bomb on that whole snobby, privileged little hick town.”
First of all, that is a threat. I live in that town and as of right now, I’m tempted to call the authorities. Don’t you realize that you’re also being a cyber-bully?
I was a friend of Phoebe’s and she did NOT have a facebook, so anything you hear about that is wrong. She did, however, have a cell phone. Just because those students were, in fact, snobby, that doesn’t mean the rest of us are. Most of us aren’t privileged either, thank you very much. If you came into South Hadley, you would be welcomed with open arms. I know that for a fact because I’ve lived here my whole life and we’ve had a ton of new students who have all made friends easily. Phoebe was one of them.
Elle, you said “Disgusting that the school allowed the winter dance to go on as planned,“ and “Why not cancel it as a gesture of mourning...or, better yet, as punishment? In fact, why not get rid of it completely?”
Well, Elle, what about the children that didn’t know Phoebe? It’s fair to them to not be able to have a cotillion? And as a gesture of mourning, we had grief counselors in the library the day after she passed. We also had a candle lighting and every single day for a week we had a moment of silence for her. And who would it be punishing? The friends of Phoebe, who wanted to be able to forget about her death for one night.
You also said, “Kids obviously cannot handle the intermingling of social hour and academics -- especially since their parents are disinterested in teaching them how to behave like civilized people.”
My parents raised me to be a smart, polite, civilized young woman, thank you very much. I am personally offended by a lot of these comments. I live in this “little hick town” and we are all very upset right now. As for her friends and family, we’re mourning. Let us mourn ALONE. Thank you for your condolences, they are appreciated, but we need to do this alone. The only way we can get better as a community is if we can all be there for each other at a time like this.
E.J., why would you like to know the names of the bullies? So you can come to my town and harass them, thus making you a bully? It’s nice to know you want justice, just don’t be a hypocrite.
Jadensmokes, It’s not a “glorified vacation”. The whole town hates them. Hell, the whole world hates them by now. It’s absolutely anything but a glorified vacation for them.
KPR, fuck us? No, fuck you. I was a friend of Phoebe’s. For Christ’s sake, SHE HAD FRIENDS. Going to a public school had absolutely nothing to do with it. Yes, those girls should and will be punished. No, suspension isn’t enough, BUT THAT’S NOT ALL THEY’RE GETTING. They’re also getting harassed by the whole world. Their punishment doesn’t end with suspension. That’s just for now, until they can figure out a proper punishment.
For your information, Phoebe WAS a smart, charming girl. Her friends would’ve told you that even if she hadn’t passed.
Asif, I offer you my condolences.
Chance, thank you. I think it’s safe to say we all hope she’s in a better place.
The Realist, who are you to even fucking dare to think such horrid things about Phoebe. She did deserve to live, so fuck you.
Lisa, “Who hangs themselves over being bullied?” Phoebe. And a lot of other people.
I cannot read anymore of your comments, for they are making me extremely upset and angry.
Stop referring to this as a tragedy. Let's celebrate her life.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 08:35:03 AMIt must be devastating for those who are Phoebe's relatives and friends to read it and I hope when they do they go through the comments they see, that people are just frustrated with the fact that Phoebe died and this death seems so unfair because the girl is so beautiful. after all she is just a kid who could have had a life.
what makes it even more sad is the fact that all the people who were close to Phoebe couldn't protect her from these little bitches. If she didn't feel alone, she could have still be here.
Perhaps the biggest problem is that when being bullied, you are always on your own and that makes bullies so strong and you are always loosing.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:17:12 AMI agree with the above. If there were other people on her side, like this boyfriend or whoever he was, if he wouldn't let those 4 sluts bully Phoebe, she could have been here. Gone so soon. What a sad story.
tina: I read your blog, i wrote my comments there as well. Hope that works, even though that should be the government's task to fight the crimes, and bullying is one of them. ButaApparently, in this world nothing happens till we act.
In principle, if we all could provide this kind of support to Phoebe when she was alive, it could have changed a lot. even if each one of us passed one dollar we could have hired already a good lawyer who would have gone to the principal and explained him in advance what what kind of consequences his school and him could face if he didn't stop the bullying activities in his school. And I bet that would work as these people only do what they have to do when they are being legally threatened by those who know how to do it within legal frame.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:22:56 AMThis story hit me like a ton of bricks. I had had an average day and then BOOM, I see this story on tv and I am sobbing on my bed. I never cry from news stories, but this somehow made me so sad, and F..ing ANGRY that I can hardly find words right now. I was lucky enough to be one of the cool , popular crowd as a teen, yet we NEVER picked on anyone. Of course football meant nothing in my school, and my friends and I were all about 150 lbs wet, so we could not have been bullies, had we wanted to. BUT THAT's THE THING.... we did not want to. Thank God my high school was pretty decent, although I'm sure mean stuff happened I never knew about. As for the girls who did this, I can not tell you the vengence I want. I nope nobody 100 square miles of this place ever says a kind word to any of the guilty ones until hell freezes over. And the same goes for college. To think they still have showed no remorse and now punched a girl who gave a tv interview! What is going on in this town? They made jokes about the death and are now bragging and taking credit. Makes me wonder if their parents had a clue, the animals they had for children, or if they were simply born pure evil and never had a chance. Call me a hypocrite, but there is no punishment cruel enough for this little clique. I want payback!
Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:46:37 AMI think I have an idea. Let's find out what High School this
Posted 02/06/2010 at 11:01:45 AMPhoebe (who is now resting happy in a beautiful place w/o bullying), would have attended in Ireland or the UK. I'm sure she had plenty of friends who loved cared about her there. Plenty of old friends who probably don't love Americans to begin with. Now let's take that disgusting excuse for humanity and send them packing to Phoebe's "home-court" so to speak. This little clique of murdering trash can spend the last half of their dreamy senior year surrounded by strangers in Europe, whom all know exactly what these "new girls" have done to their old friend. Oh would that be fair play or what? If I was a judge I would make it happen today!
INmourning, get over yourself! This is not about you! You sound like a real jerk in your post. The kind of person who tells everyone at a funeral that they knew the deceased better than anyone and compared such things. So what if people are venting with crazy words. Your town and that school does have problems, nobody said you were the only ones. For you to pick out all the posts you don't like is the last thing in the world you should be doing at a time like this. Call the authoities???Give me a break! It is our business every bit as much as it is yours. This story is the business of every human being on earth. Every teen, parent, teacher, bully, victum, etc! You sound like a 10 year old kid, "I was her friend, I knew her better. it's our town and our problem" It's the world's problem, not just yours. If you were a real friend, you would mourn to yourself not for the world to see with your stupid screen name for self pity and attention.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 11:57:02 AMMy daughter was bullied, especially in middle school. The bullies were girls with older sisters who tormented them and parents who didn't take it seriously or believed they couldn't control their kids once they became teenagers.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 02:58:41 PMI reported one classroom incident to the teachers who hadn't noticed it. But generally, my job was to give my daughter the strength to survive, so I made sure she always had another peer group, outside of the public school, and I told her frequently that on graduation day that HS social structure would vanish. Those girls would no longer be terrorizing everyone and getting "leadership" awards from school officials. It did, to my daughter's amazement and she happily left town for college and adult life.
I'm still baffled on how someone can bully you online, It's just words on a electronic screen, And if parents were doing their jobs and teaching their kids the differnce between the make believe world and the real world, some of this garbage would not happen.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 10:34:38 PMWe've become such a politically correct nation that most people are affraid to say anything because they don't want to be labled. I'm a parent, I have 6 kids all grown, none of them were ever bullied because they knew how to stand up for themselve's and if that didn't work they came to me and I took care of it.
I just went to the parents and explained the situation to them, talk to your kids or be prepared to have everything you have taken away from you in court, you have to sometimes use your enemies weapons against them before you can get their attention.
I don't condone fighting but sometimes the only way to teach a bully a lesson is to punch them in the nose's and telling some parent your going to take what they have worked hard for is that punch in the nose.
Meg, I thing that it is wonderful that you were able to buffer-up your daughter's inner strength & to be there for her.
I want everyone to understand though that bullying doesn't only happen to girls. Since my son entered school I have fought an almost constant against bullying and harassment for my 13 yo son. I am concerned now since he will be entering High School next year. Already, he has been threatened to be dumped in a trash can on the first day of school. Many students consider him a bit of a nerd and it seems he has always been an outcast.
He has always been small & is not athletic which is a major drawback for him in this 'football' town. This small town is so football oriented that the local HS has discontinued the wood shop & automotive elective courses at the high school so that they can focus more on football. There are 13 coaches & coaching assistants at the HS. Tell me what can an average non-athletic student expect in HS? Unfortunately, for my son, more bullying.
My son has a strong sense of character & of what is right & wrong. He is often upset by events that happen to him but he also knows that the kids that harass him are in need of help. (His words, not mine.) He has compassion but no friends. He is not considered 'cool'. He refuses to wear pants that droop off his a** or that droop at all. He is long legged and has had to occasionally wear pants that were too short by today's youth, causing more teasing. But to his credit he has not ever given in to peer pressure.
Through the years, I have been right out there, letting the teacher & the principal know what is going on. I am there in the background most of the time but my son knows that I will be right there 'in the ring, fighting for him, if I need to.
He told me once that that made him feel better. He is surprisingly well-adjusted considering what he has gone through these past 8 years. He has family support & he has teachers that have made him feel like he matters.
Except one. That one teacher set my son's self-esteem back just by being an absolute jerk. She retired at the end of that year but as far as I was concerned it was a year too late!
Why do I mention this? Because the teachers make a difference too. How many of these teachers encourage this behavior by turning a blind eye to what is really going on? How many refuse to see the big picture or take the word of the popular child over the victim? I am not saying that all teachers do this, but even a little can hurt, just as a little can help.
We must be vigilant in protecting our children from all forms of evil in this world. Though it seems I am stating the obvious...how many of us would have thought that one of the evils would be other children?
My heart goes out to Phoebe's family & friends. No amount of words could express my profound sadness nor the shame that I feel that they had to cross the ocean to experience this cruelty here in America.
The perpetrators of this crime will probably never 'get it'. They are proud of their accomplishment & what are their parents saying? Not much I am sure. And if they are it is a little too late now. The shame and the blame rests as much on their shoulders as their children's.
God Bless & Rest in Peace, Phoebe.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:16:54 PMIf you ask me, those involved in bullying incidents where a student commits suicide or is killed because of bullying should face criminal charges as if they had done the deed themselves. Maybe not murder, but manslaughter.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:28:43 PMI graduated from high school in 2008. Girls are very vicious and cruel now, i wouldnt blame the parents for things like this. The girls who did this may even had been bullied at home by their parents or siblings. We all have a voice. Administrators, teachers whoever don't do anything to prevent bullying, but maybe a class saying dont bully others, etc. but they do not enforce this. Kids in my school were TERRIBLE. I won't lie i probably was mean to certain kids here and there but i was bullied when i was younger which made me grow to have a voice and be the tough kid in school knowing that no one would say anything to me. I would almost get a fight close to once a week in school, and teachers would look the other way till the screaming got to the top of our lungs or a punch way thrown. They dont care they get paid either way, if there is one to 20 kids in a class. They go home and can sleep fine every night, when there are millions of kids out there going home crying themselves to sleep at night. And everyone on this site keeps giving out the names of the bullies, and now addresses and phone numbers of the girls, we are trying to teach not to bully when now you people are giving out this information for these girls to be harrassed and bullied themselves, you might think giving them a taste of their own medicine will change them, in reality your just giving fuel to the fire. It is completly ridiculous. All of us apparently still have a lot more growing up to do! Teach your own kids not to bully and let them know you are there to listen and not be afraid to use their voice, and acknowledge the problem. Even though I know they all are scared to open their mouth cause then they think they will be bullied more for saying anything. Kids will not change, this is the society they are brought up in, and even worse the tv shows are giving off horrible examples to these kids. Apparently parents aren't teaching kids to think before they speak, or treat others the way you would want to be treated, and to not judge others. Jealousy is a mind sickening disease. And we all are jealous of someone for something, if its the clothing people wear or how they look or in this case getting a date with someone they like. There are many other fish in the sea. Kids should be worried on making a future for themselves in this economy, instead of boys, cause boys will not get you anywhere. Really, would you rather be poor from not getting an education cause all you can do is judge others and not worry about yourself and get the guy you want. You're in high school, it's not love.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:45:57 AMThat's just... Wrong. I know this is probably an old article, I found it while reading another article that linked to this one... But still. American society is just so desensitized, we don't care anymore. Its really all $****ed up.... Ok, sure, I'm male, I'm only 21, but us guys got bullied too in high school. The way I dealt with it was to develop a demeanor that told the other kids I'd execute them if they kept it up, supplemented and proven by the fact that I actually stood up for myself and did some permanent damage to a jock's knee. Accidently of course, but it was enough to get people to leave me the hell alone.
To be honest, I've seen other people just stand up for themselves, and that was more or less the end of it. We need to teach our kids how to be strong, to defend themselves from bullies, and shrug off the insults. America is so focused on society's views of ourselves, that we lose who we really are, before we even become us.
All I know is when I have kids, I will teach them wisdom, common sense, and at a young tender impressionable age, probably 9 or so, drive them through a ghetto to show them what sort of people bullies become. That last bit could be traumatizing, perhaps, but necessary measures to ensure a good life. Even if I become rich off my company, I'll still limit them to the allowance I had as a poor child, and tan their hides depending on how bad they've been. Groundings will occur regularly, and regular trips to psychiatric clinics, rehab clinics, ghettos, and other places will be common occurrence to keep their eyes open about their world and their future. Disagree with me all you want, it's necessary to keep kids on the right track these days due to peer pressure... oh, and they'll know how to fight should one of these sorts of b****es try to start something, and exactly where to hit.
Parents need to give a damn about their kids. Most parents let TV do the teaching these days. What sorta girls to little girls see on TV? They see shows like The Mean Girls, and other such. It's just damned disgraceful the values in our country have disappeared. Any parent to one of these sorts of children should be ashamed, and probably forced through a me grinder whilst alive. Sorry if that's gruesome for a lot of you but damn if I'm not tired of hearing this shit.
Signed,
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:56:08 AMA most fed up young wise one.
I heard about this story awhile ago, and it's absolutely crushing. I wish she were still alive, or that she'd never come to America. It always gets me when people come here for a better life, and instead they're brutalized and killed. Happened to a young Irish man in California, I heard awhile back. He was knifed. Different scenario, but it hurts the same to hear about two young people coming over here in hopes of something better, and instead, this... It's so sad.
But after reading all of these comments. [Well, skimming. There's a lot.] I have to say, I find it remarkably disgusting how much unbridled hatred is coming from -adults- and being directed at teenage girls. The perpetrators did an awful, ugly thing, and posting on the memorial page with more hatred was just beyond disgusting... But more than a handful of people here have suggested that these girls should be RAPED. What the hell? Are we really that barbaric, that we would call for the rape and torture of children? You can't have ever known someone who's been raped if you believe that it's EVER appropriate or deserved to face that horror and pain.
That more than anything makes me want to puke. All of you talking about beating them, stoning them, lynching them, what do you expect that would accomplish? A girl is dead, because she was treated like garbage, and your solution is to treat the bullies like sub-human waste? They're children. They're people's daughters, and they have an entire life ahead of them to think about what they've done.
Gross seeing so much hatred around all this. I wish the best to all people involved, including the girls who maliciously ruined Phoebe's life. I hope they change, but even if they don't, it is NEVER okay to brutalize another person, even if they are horrible.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:59:06 AMTeen girls all over the fuckin united states are commiting suicide!! but no one knows the reason for half of them!!! probably cause they were all also bullied, yes this is fuckin horrible that this has happened but honestly why dont we make a fuckin post for every god damn girl that has commited sucide go to their high school see if anyone had bullied them and suspend them all i mean jesus christ people this is disgusting!!! we all sit here talking shit about these girls that we know NOTHING AT ALL about!! they may have had horrible home lives, what happned is terrible dont get me wrong, but suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, if the bullying had gotten that bad and you say nothing that is your fault, god gave u a mouth and voice for a reason... TO USE IT!!
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:59:33 AMDoes anyone remember the girl that gotten beaten almost to death in Florida? By girls who were supposedly her friends? They all were suppose to be punished as adults but they didn't!! one got maybe a year jail time and all the rest got some probation, and they actually beat the shit outta this poor girl, now thats someone i feel extremly sorry for, but she didn't beat herself. So honestly keep throwing your two cents on this website cause its doing nothing but making you look like a jackass sayin they should be stoned, raped, murdered executed or go to jail for manslaughter. when all they did was talk shit and make threats. they didnt kill this girl. all of you say what should be done to the bullies, but what if your child ends up being one of these "bullies", would you still call for the same punishment as these girls? no, you may say you would but when it actually came down to it, you wouldnt want your child in jail or to be murdered. we have things called the bill of rights, where the first one is the FREEDOM OF SPEACH. we all hear things we dont like, let it come from our president, the media, our peers, but just because we trash talk all of them the dont take their lives. i mean seriously look at Clinton, great fuckin president yea he cheated on his wife, and so do half the men in the united states, and we all talked a whole bunch of shit about him but he didnt kill himself, he kept our country strong. You all say america has no morals, well your very hypicritcal cause none of you have any either, posting things on these girls, your just giving them fame and glory, maybe its what they wanted, just like the girls in florida, they video taped it and wanted it to go on youtube to become famous, and it did, and they will all be known for it. but if they didnt get charged will attempt in murder and get a longer sentence, what do you really think these girls will get for not even touching her? when she could have changed her phone number and delted her face book account if it got that bad, but no one really thinks about any of these things, they see something terrible happen, but never go back and look at would could have been done to prevent this. this whole this is fuckin ridiculous, yes i feel horrible for the family, but really if she didnt voice what had happened, nothing will be done about it. they could go to court deny it all. then leave and tell everyone the truth and say they did it, but its called double jeopardy you cant be charged for the same thing more then once, they will get away, maybe with some community service or a year probation, but shit thats not even that bad, you could beat your wife and get a year probation. the court systems suck and so do the school systems. things wont change unless the parents change it, it gets worse every generation, we all say it should stop but really who does anything to help stop it? no one. irish girl on here says we are narrow minded and all this shit, well if ya dont like it get the fuck outta the country. we sit here helping every other goddamn country but cant help ourselves, maybe if we worried about america and not every other country, we would have more money, more money means less hours parents have to work to support their family, which means more quality time with their kids to talk and be there for support, which may prevent bullying, but no one thinks of these things, just how horrible the situation is.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 03:48:53 AMYes Kate,
If every parent took the time to understand the school system's procedures on altercations and talk to their kids about bullying they would find out very young that bullying will not be tolerated, from their classmates. Knowing that if a kid is being bullied and has the balls to stand up for themselves, both kids usually get the same punishment b/c the adults really don't know what happened and bullies usually lie, thus adding to the bullied kids' sense of zero control over the situation.
I told my daughter when she was in second grade how to handle a bully. You have to outsmart the bully and the school system. When you are at recess and no one is looking, take a nice sharp rock and jam it into your forehead until you bleeding really well (only the forehead so as not to scar another part of your face you can't cover up with your bangs.) Then, secretly get close to the bully with no one paying much attention and point and scream at the bully until the teacher sees. Since you are the only one with the physical injury, only the bully will get in trouble. This will surely put the bully off because they will realize how much smarter others are than them or just have the shit scared out of them b/c they will think you are insane.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 04:04:23 PMThere's so much ire directed towards these bullies because of what they choose to set into motion. They couldn't predict she would commit suicide, but they did realize the effect of stalking and harassment would be on this girl's esteem. They took pleasure in tormenting her for not falling into their social pecking order. This isn't some teenage spat that blew over, but a campaign of stalking and intimidation. An adult who did this to a coworker could be prosecuted.
These bullies choose the path of deliberate cruelty and
they need to be expelled. They are a symptom of the school's inability or unwillingness to deal with this problem, which is the overall concern here.
I would like these girls to develop a conscience someday, but I personally don't wish them well. With the exception of some insight or maturity, bullies do not fundamentally change their thought processes. Sometime in their lives, they may meet with someone who will treat them as wretchedly as they treated Phoebe and then they will complain and whine.
The most publicly notable lifelong achievement for Ashley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins, and Kayla Narey will be that they tormented a girl to death. Congratulations, those girls should be proud!! Their names will always be connected to Phoebe's death, and any future acquaintance and employer can simply Google their names and discover what vile flotsam they were. Who wouldn't want to be friends with or employ such sensible, empathetic women? How will they deal with the adult world, that doesn't hand you everything you want when you try to bully your way in?
Tragic that Phoebe will never become an adult and look back at this in hindsight and context. What ever potential she had is now lost, both to her and to her family.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 05:11:35 PMWOw thats scary. I'm sorry she had to go through all that. I think they need to arrest the girls (Popular girls) for doing that, I know their mean and all but you don't have to hate someone for not being "popular" and dating a football player, big deal. But Yeah like I said before Arrest those dumb girls for doing that, thats just wrong, and it ruined a life because of that.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 05:37:36 PMThis just another example of people understanding the horrors of bullying. When do we say enough is enough! My heart goes out to this family.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 06:59:15 PMIt seems to me that school are so worried about the students succeeding academically, but when it comes to character it is "lip service." I see all these bully posters in schools but it seems to be just for show. The habitual bullies get sent to the office and get a slap on the wrist, while their victims go home in despair. Where is the school board and the local politicians. We can only pray they some place looking over bullying policies.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 09:31:05 PMThese girls should be black listed everywhere they go. even after all legal action is taken they should be not only expelled but prevented from getting into any good colleges or getting any good jobs ever. they are evil little scum who will grow up into evil little women. screw them
Posted 02/09/2010 at 08:12:19 AMblack list them for life
I live in New York, was shocked to stumble over this story, Shocked not only for the tragedy of it all, but for the fact that it received ZERO coverage here (and I assumed the rest of the nation).
Can anyone honestly say that if this was a Muslim or African student who was so harassed this would not be national news headline news? Guess calling someone an "Irish Slut" doesn't count for much in this society with our media, but making remarks about the Rutgers Women Basketball team can get you fired. So much for Political Correctness (Oh its Political, but seldom correct).
Posted 02/09/2010 at 01:45:06 PMI feel sooooo bad for Phoebe,I cant believe that people would do such horrible stuff to such a sweet, innocent,15 year old girl.
Posted 02/09/2010 at 06:47:20 PMLucy,
Posted 02/09/2010 at 06:59:34 PMBelieve it, as long as there are people like mcr in our world who would hurt the defenseless, there will always be pain in our world.
Why does the world have to be so hateful? She was pretty, she was young, I'm sure she was kind. This world disgusts me.
Posted 02/10/2010 at 11:33:01 PMIf you neglect your dog, knowing he has a temper (and believe me you know your dog) and he bites someone, you get charged.
I think the same should be done with parents of bad kids. Kids aren't born bad, sorry. They are shaped by parenting or the lack of it. Why is it, that we have licenses to drive cars and boats, because without them we might hurt other people, yet there are no requirements to raise children. None. Often kids happen accidentally.
If you don't believe an child upbringing is the single biggest cause of children acting out, and I'll show you a bully and introduce you to his dad. The dad, I guarantee it will be an aggressive, macho, high arousal drunk. Or some variation thereof. This isn't rocket science people, we're not discovering shit here - we are simply connecting a few dots.
This stuff will continue as long as parents we don't regulate parents more. And why the f don't they teach mental health in schools? how about consellors for kids to get out their demons when they can't go to their parents? we need not only more of that, we need it to be mandatory. You MUST spend an hour a month with a psychiatrist. The healthy kids get good conversation, and the messed up ones get insight and big dysfunctions nipped in the butt. If I was president, things would be different, starting with more intervention in broken homes.
Posted 02/11/2010 at 01:31:44 AMyou guys are horrible fighting over spelling on a page about a girl that hung herself . Show some respect .
Posted 02/11/2010 at 09:13:52 AMThese days and ages you would think they would start enforcing the zero tolerance bullying rule in more schools. in my daughters school, if a child is bullied he/she can go to the teachers and/or principal and tell them who it is and that kid will get a warning, if it continues they get expelled. many parents dont agree with this method but that is why it is called zero tolerance. the problem is eliminated and the victim feels safer. my daughters previous school could not "control" the bullying that went on. which to me is bullsh*t, if you cant control it than whose to say what else cannot be controlled, if you cant control your own school than maybe you should find another day job. its unfortunate what happened to this poor girl, myheart breaks for her family. as for the family of the bullies, your kids will forever walk around with that guilt in their hearts even though they arent showing any now. i am a firm believer that the sins of many parents often fall on the child so i really hope these bullies realize that when they themselves become parents.
Posted 02/11/2010 at 01:48:30 PMi also find that the parents of the bullies either turned the blind eye or felt that "kids will be kids" attitude. if this wasnt a wakeup call that the school system needs to enforce the zero tolerance bullying rule than those school officials are just as blind as the parents of the bullies. to those who are wondering what that rule will do, that rule will show the bullied that something will be done and that school can be their sanctuary and show the bullies that their actions will always have a severe consequence. it will also be a major wake up call to the parents of the bullies. our kids have a right to feel safe in the place that is giving them their education to help them evolve into the adults will become. i find it sad when people come to america for a better life only to have it cut short.
Posted 02/11/2010 at 02:35:42 PMFlat out these girls should be prosecuted and convicted but even more so, so should their parents, and with civil suits to boot. Garbage like this comes from garbage and all should be held accountable, including the school officials too, or nothing will change.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 08:36:54 AMI wish these whitless and brainless girls would try bullying somebody who is not afraid to tell them what they think (sick individuals) maybe facebook should be monitored for these type of comments--or have a law where this kind of bullying needs to be stopped. I wonder what kind of parents raise these kids that can be so cruel to someone else. they feel big when there is more than one of them but usually are chickens when they are alone. I hope God can forgive you--because a lot of people can't. These bullies also need some mental health help-normal people do not get there kicks by picking on someone who they know they can bully and won't say anything to them. Please bully someone who is as sick as you are.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 02:44:01 PMHas anyone heard anything like this article from Ireland that alleges Phoebe Prince was chased around the perimeter of South Hadley High School before going home to hang herself?? Does South Hadley HS have video cameras on campus?? If so, who is responsible for watching and collecting the tapes? If there are cameras, were the video-tapes kept? If so, who has custody of them now??
Suggestion for someone from South Hadley: put in a public records act request for copies of the video tapes.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 04:47:48 PMhttp://www.irishcentral.com/news/Bullied-Irish-suicide-girl-Phoebe-Prince-was-chased-around-school-perimeter-84119642.html
As someone who immigrated to the US in grammar school from a European country, I can attest how terrible young American kids can be to immigrants/ foreigners... they carry it out of the household, all the hatred, bigotry toward someone notlike them...
I went to a private Catholic school and was the single bilingual, immigrant and I got 8 years of getting beaten up in the gym locker room and being called a cunt, a polak and told to go back on the boat..
all from kids who were under 13 at the time.
America home of the free.. yea right.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 10:58:23 PMlot of suicide accident happen and happen again...it's our responsibility to stop it...to prevent it...to lead the kids and teen to do the right thing...
Posted 02/13/2010 at 03:55:09 AMI feel so sad for this young lady and her family. These young women should be tried for murder, as that is what this was. I graduated highschool a few years ago and administrators are just too afraid to punish students for fear of beign sued by their parents. But where were Pheobe's parents? Why couldn't they tell? Why had NO ONE done something about this before it got to this point. It makes me sick to think there are human beings out in the world like this. I hope those girls rot in Hell.
Posted 02/13/2010 at 07:28:04 PMAs for the school, I hope they sue the hell out of you for NOT punishing these bitches.
she was a little hottie
Posted 02/13/2010 at 08:54:24 PMokay girls at south hadley seirously need help if they kept that shit up after she died.she came over from the other side of the world.like people should have gave her a break.she came to somewhere new and people treated her like shit.people need to grow up if this was over a boy.those girls ruined phoebe's life they took it from her and i hope they feel like shit on the inside cause that was so meesed up of them what they did.
R.I.P Phoebe Prince
Posted 02/14/2010 at 12:18:18 PMi can't believe this. shes so beautiful
Posted 02/14/2010 at 01:17:19 PMKate...unfortunately, your simple solution is misguided and naive. Do you really think that 'opening' her mouth would have been successful as a deterrent to the bullying? The results...school officials that would have turned a blind eye and the reinforced ire of those doing the bullying. Much the same impact as the restraining order. Not only ineffective but often counter-productive and further inflaming the situation.
I sense a bit of blaming the victim in your post. As a physician, I see that defense mechanism quite frequently. It's misdirected. I do agree, much of this internet ire is premature in that the facts have yet to unfold. If they do play out as has been suggested, however, the victim blame game, actually blaming a 15 year old child, for failing to raise her voice and instead choosing to take her life in the shadow of relentless bullying and torment...well, as noted, the blame is being wholly and unequivocally misdirected, sadly. The system needs rehashed and the consequences need reworked, but as it stands, there is little that can be done on the part of the actual victim in these cases.
As for the other kids that commit suicide...I agree, they do need the same attention and the root cause needs to be identified and addressed. Nonetheless, that is somewhat irrelevant in that it takes nothing away from this case nor can it be used to lessen the emotional response to this instance. Nor should it. The degree of emotional response is appropriate and, to be quite frank, long overdue. If for nothing else, to bring the root problem to an even more open light so that it can be addressed on a national level. If the inferred story is close to what actually transpired then no amount of fury and ire can be considered too great. The community should be outraged. Bring all the attention we can to this one instance. No, it won't bring this young lady back, but it will bring attention to a problem that must be addressed.
But please, let's not make the misguided problem of placing blame on the victim or the naive suggestion that raising one's voice was a simple solution to this problem. It's just so misdirected.
Posted 02/14/2010 at 04:55:01 PMPlease Note: Another sad result of this incident is that the phone number and address being propagated on the internet and on this site for Ashley Long actually belongs to seriously ill 70 year old woman who is now being harrassed.
Posted 02/15/2010 at 12:32:23 PMSite manager/administrator please in honor of Phoebe Prince remove the phone number ending 4441 for Ashley as it is not her number. The harrassment this elder is recieving is just as disgusting and cowardly as the bullying that was done by ashley. Police are now investigating posters of this information and requesting site administrators to remove this inaccurate information.
This is so unbelievable awful. Rude taunts and things like that, can and will shatter a soul. That is one hundred percent the truth. I'm just horrified that she did that to herself, that she was so beaten down by them that it resulted in a sweet, innocent girl killing herself to escape the pain of it all. It's bad enough when you have one student bullying you, but when so many girls are doing it, then it's awful. Plain awful. Those students that did that to her, they may not have hanged her themselves, but they might as well have been. They were the cause. They couldn't get over their petty issues wit her, and it resulted in a sweet girl ending her life and ending her future goals as a person. I hope that those students are expelled from the school. In no way should they be allowed on that school after what they did. It's just sickening! They should face some criminal action against them. They should be treated as adults. It's happened before where a student is tried as an adult.
Posted 02/15/2010 at 01:55:06 PMthis hopefully will show those girls that they need to stop there shit before they kill anyone else. cyber bullying is the worst because you can't actually see the expressions on the girls faces.
Posted 02/15/2010 at 05:19:33 PMShe was beautiful. Inside and out. Rest In Peace Phoebe, I miss you so much
Posted 02/15/2010 at 11:28:45 PMMost bullies are the product of bad parenting. Some of the bullies that I knew years ago are now dead, in jail, or have/had cancer or incurable illnesses. What goes around, comes around.
Parents, use the Bible and hands-on parenting, specifically, physical punishment. Spanking the behind and slapping the mouth is Bible-recommended discipline. Obey the Word of God, or you will face eternal damnation. Use the rod to teach them well, and save their souls from the fires of Hell.
Posted 02/16/2010 at 03:45:45 PMWhy not just take your kids out back to the woodshed every night, WGA? Oh wait... you don't have any kids. If you did, they'd be in foster care and you'd be in jail.
Which is where the SHHS bullies belong, imho.
Posted 02/16/2010 at 04:18:59 PMI'm starting to think that good kids should start being taught self defense. And not defensive martial arts. I'm talking offensive, in your face martial arts. Girls especially could use it....
Actually, why don't parents enroll their kids in martial arts classes if their kids are being bullied? Community Centers usually have them for tenths of dojos; and the arts teach kids discipline, self respect, and of course, self defense.
As for Phoebe Prince, this is a fucking shame. One look at her picture and I could see she'd have been a drop dead gorgeous lass had she grown to age. I hope the authorities send these bitch girls to jail. For a long while.
Posted 02/16/2010 at 10:07:15 PMThis story breaks my heart. Rest in peace Phoebe, God bless your innocent fragile soul. It is obvious she was too nice because she didn't rat on those horrible girls and she probably felt life was not worth living if such ignorance and in humanity exists. It really is sad that she felt the only way to end the bullying was to end her life. To everyone and anyone who gets bullied, don't let them win don't let them get to you. As for the girls who tormented her I hate to say it because I don't wish this behavior to my worst enemy but reality is KARMA'S A BITCH, everytime something happens to you, you will think of Phoebe it will haunt you for the rest of your life.
Posted 02/17/2010 at 05:53:38 PMGod I wish I knew the people who did this those girls..I hope the rot in hell...they drove poor phoebe to suicide...and then the made fun of her even after she died...I cried when I read this...If I ever met these girls...god I would beat the fuckin shit out of them...and I am not a violent person..
Posted 02/17/2010 at 08:31:31 PMWhat happened was tragic and there is no getting around that. I do think that suicide was a little over the top no matter how bad the bullying was, honestly I've heard much worse cases of bullying, in fact I've seen it myself.
Don't get me wrong here, I think it's just as terrible as anyone else, and the girls "responsible" should have been punished to some degree, but suicide over bullying is ridiculous, and I think that there had to have been something more to it. I don't think I can see suicide over a year(at most) of name calling and possibly even threats, unless the individual was already in an extremely fragile state. So to me it just doesn't fully add up. I once again don't want to sound like an inconsiderate jerk, but it still was Phoebe's choice to commit suicide, no one can make you do it, and saying that way is ignorant.
My conclusion is that this situation is terrible and something that no one deserves but it's a part of life and human nature. I don't think it's reason enough to kill yourself, and I don't think that you can 100% blame the mean girls for it either. Just my thoughts.
Posted 02/17/2010 at 09:45:49 PMits no right bullying need to stop poeple are sick twisted pour phoebe she didn't get to to live her life those people that took her life away they dont understand what they did but even after she died they still made fun of her its not right if i saw her if i was in her skool i would stood up for her she shouldn't have died and she would be still alive but i hope she is in a better place take care phoebe i hope those poeple should be feel bad what they did to you. its never right to hurt other people's feeling but she better place now but its still not right r.i.p phoebe prince
Posted 02/18/2010 at 04:53:25 PMThis was wrong those girls will regret it I know it you know it and they know it. yal
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:09:35 PMsorry febe prince this was very bad you girls suck
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:12:25 PMwhat the hell is those girls problems those bicthes will regret that but phoebe is now in a better place RIP phoebe prince
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:15:55 PMRIP:( This is sad. It is sad she killed herself but sh shouldn't have listened to the evil horid witches.I know a lot about bullies i still see bullies but i had to learn to stand up tell or egnore. Poor phoebe she just wanted to exsperience america, look were she ended up.Those girls fall asleep knowing the killed Phoebe so know what i am not going to beat them up i know it is beating them up inside of them.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:23:14 PMRIP:( This is so sad. The poor girl shouldn't have killed her self but why didnt she egnore those evil girls. I have been bullied and i know bullies they are evil and they like when you give into there plan. She should have either egnored them stand up for yourself or tell on them( I know the last thing any kid wants to do it tell and be a tatle tale but you know what you have to)
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:31:19 PMNow i want to say one important thing I am not going to say that i want to beat those girls up because i know they go to sleep thinking they made Phoebe die and that is beating them up every moment every second. They see all these coments and they know so i won't beat them up i just know Phoebe dieing is.
Stefanie is right it will haunt them
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:42:03 PMwhat jerks, don't they realize they took an inidicent girls life just to make themselves "cooler" in my book, that doesnt make them cooler, it makes them jerks. they should be expelled and put in jail for a couple years what they did to this girl, thats wrong. R.I.P. Phoebe Price :'(
Posted 02/18/2010 at 08:53:50 PM:'( How aweful! I hope those little bitches burn in hell for eternity for what they did to that girl. And the adminstrators and faculty at that school should all be jailed for never taking notice or doing anything about it. Those girls should have been expelled years ago!
(To Tom at the top - kinda missing the point there, a girl killed herself, no one cares about weather Pete used correct english or not, no one is perfect!)
Posted 02/18/2010 at 09:28:02 PMThis really is a messed up story. there was another young girl who commited suicide by hanging herself because of internet bullying by the name of meagan meier in 2007 she was only 13!. same kind of situation, and yet these schools dont see a problem? if they do they have a funny way of putting a stop to it.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 09:29:38 PMFirst of all TOM - who cares what the difference is between hung and/or hanged. We are talking about the death of a child here. Don't be so petty. Have some respect.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 11:11:26 PMKPR - your remark about how this wouldn't happen if this were a private school is ridiculous. This is the same for most schools. The kids need to educated properly about bullying and it should start in the home.
Its disgusting, and it breaks my heart. I was bullied all through secondary school and it had a profound effect on me. I teach my child all the time to stand up to bullies, and never to stand by or take part but to always stick up for your friends. But I can tell you something if this ever happened to my child I would never let the scumbags who are responsible ever forget what they did for the rest of their lives. Just like the kid who is now on a sex offenders list till he reaches 45 years of age for sexting nude photos of his girlfriend. He is 18 years old, she was 16 and he made a stupid mistake and will pay for it for a very long time. His life is ruined but he is being held responsible for his actions.
This should be the case here. Those tramps from that school should be named, photos put in the paper, and charged. They should be held responsible because they caused that childs death. They should never be allowed to forget that.
And for what, because they were jealous of the new little Irish girl on the block. What a terrible shame, and for people to say that she should have stood up to them and not have committed suicide - well yeh, you can say that now but nobody knows what that poor child went through on a daily basis and the pure fear she was experiencing from these low life pieces of trash.
They are nothing but cowardly scumbags that hide behind their FB pages. Well Karma is a bitch and its gonna come back and bite those little bitches in the ass. I hope you will see her face in your dreams for the rest of your sorry lives.
Phoebe's family - I am so sorry for your loss. You will always be in my thoughts and prayers.
God bless you and keep you, sweet Irish girl from Co. Clare.
Go mbeannai Dia Thu
thoes vile,mother fucking,asshole girls...if i knew who they were, i would give them a pieve of my mind TO THEIR FACES! that just pisses me off!
Posted 02/19/2010 at 05:55:34 PMWhat the hell?
Posted 02/19/2010 at 06:21:42 PMEven after she killed herself, they were still saying stuff?
If my daughter ever did anything like that, still make fun of a dead girl, I would send her to military school. That second.
Here is an idea, line up the bullies, and shoot them in the forehead. That would solve the problem. I think everyone would be just fine w/ getting rid of these excuses for human excretement.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 10:28:53 PMThis is a horrible thing that happened, rest in peace Phoebe Prince. You will forever be in my thoughts.
But with such a depressing article that has a lot to do with cyber-bullying, there is a lot of it going on in the comments down here. For example, retard & faggot were two of the things that I saw that were said just in the first few comments. That's ridiculous, and really the cause isn't getting through to the people in America.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 10:59:53 PMThis is an awful story. Karma will catch up with the evil girls who bullied her. Trust that.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 11:56:56 PMThese damn little bitches need to be punished for this. Jail would be perfect for them. I hate how some people say "bullying is human nature" we've evolved enough to know that it's wrong. No need for it, these girls knew exactly what they were doing was wrong. As far as I'm concerned, these girls did more than bully her, they were harassing her (following her around, trying to harm her physically by throwing things at her). That in itself is grounds for suspension from school, and having charges pressed against them. What goes around, comes around. R.I.P Phoebe, you didn't deserve this.
Posted 02/20/2010 at 12:24:48 AMThose girls are absolutly horrible. I'm almost 17. i attempted suicide in Feb of '09 because of bitches like them. Thats absolutly rediculous. i took 15000 mg of tylenol. i made it out alive, how? i have no idea. pheobe deserved better. and i see that many people are disgusted with the cause. i am too. i see no reason to tear someone down. and the fact that they KEPT sending messages like that. i hope someday they face what i had to, what Ms. pheobe had to and all of those young men and women had to. Lets see them survive it. If anybody wants to talk. i'm free to talk. email me at daddiesgirl2@sprint.blackberry.net
Posted 02/20/2010 at 03:09:21 PMi'd love to chat.
and another thing...Tom... get over yourself. whether the english is 'correct' is irrelevant...how'd you feel if you had a little girl that killed herself because of fuckers like those girls, and some smart ass decided to correct the english? Really? dude seriously. and WGA... not everybody is religious...not everything is religious. as well as...they shouldn't be expelled, those girls...what happened.. is horrible...manslaughter is more like it. i guess most people are about revenge. not about truth, and justice. the day i came back from the hospital..i went back to school, everybody found out what had happened, my boyfriends MOM had a big mouth...people told me they wish i would have died. People can be cruel. and nobody can say whether or not this will haunt them for the rest of their lives...they might just be so sick as to not give a damn. and Stephanie...ignoring them doesnt go as far as you think. they keep going. and if their really into it...they won't stop no matter how much you ignore them. kids are just mean. i don't care how old they are, those girls, they should go for life in prison...for manslaughter. if my daughter killed herself...because of girls like them...i'd put those fuckers in the ground. Girls like that put my mom in the ground...my turn. the point is...
Posted 02/20/2010 at 03:40:49 PMTo Pheobes parents
Time doesn't heal the pain, it just numbs it. i'm so sorry you've had to go through this. Many people have supported you. Facebook pages everywhere.
and to Pheobe
Bless you girl!!! youre safe now!!! say hi to my mom! and btw hun, let your mom and dad know your just fine ;)
If you want to raise God-fearing children, START WITH THE BIBLE!! Proverbs 23:13-14 says, "Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell."
Parents need to be more hands-on with their discipling of their children: physical punishment. When children were spanked at home and paddled at school, they were more God-fearing and law-abiding. I do not approve of beating, but spanking the behind and slapping the mouth when it is called for is discipline, not abuse.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 04:17:24 PMWhat a lovely young lady Phoebe was. May her tormenters rot in hell...and hey Tom, may you be "hung" by your balls, if you have any.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 05:48:35 PMI remember being in middle school/early high school and being constantly berated by "popular girls." Everyday I was told I was ugly, poor, fat, and stupid. None of those, except maybe the poor part, were true. I was afraid to go to school. I cried myself to sleep every night. I even got harassed by certain teachers, my mother, and sister as well.
It sucks growing up. Everyday I wanted to kill myself more and more. I'm glad I made it through that. And all I can think of when I read about this and things like this is...this could have been me. That thought alone is terrifying. I wish things would have been different for this girl. She looks stunningly beautiful and I'm sure she had a vibrant personality to match. It is sad to hear about a death of someone so deserving of life.
My advice to anyone who thinks bullying is worth killing yourself over is..."Stop thinking about it, look ahead, focus on yourself and the people who care about you. There is more life beyond 15 or 16. There is more to life." I wish I could have talked to her. :/
The school should have really put in place some helpful suicide hotlines or someone friendly and kind for bullied kids to talk to.
For this school, actions to prevent these things should have been put in place long before this occurred.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 07:58:13 PM@Megan Harris - I completely agree with you. When I was in 6th grade, my once friend started hanging out with all the popular girls and then turned all of my other friends against me. She harassed me incessantly and her and several of the other girls were also at my bus stop, so there was really no escaping it. I told my mom about the harassment and she called this other girl's mom and got nowhere. It didn't stop for a few weeks and then I decided to go home one day and swallow a bottle of approximately 70 aspirin and ended up having to get my stomach pumped after I became violently ill hours later. I seriously thought I was going to die and it scared the shit out of me. My mom relayed this to my teachers at school and they never harassed me again, though they were still little bitches all the way through high school. They're all fat and have no college education and kids now. Yay for them!
Point of the story being, this is our whole world when we're young: school. If we're not happy in school, more than just the normal amount of dread from having to take tests and do work and the like, then we're not happy in life. This story happens all too often. It's happened in almost every town in this country, but only recently have these stories been gaining publicity because of the internet factor. Now there's REALLY no escaping it for these kids. Something has to be done. Kids don't have to be cruel. They're only cruel if you raise them to be little assholes. The parent's of these girls are either turning a blind eye to what their children are or don't care.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 08:22:24 PMMary from Ireland, I only got this story yesterday in the Sunday Tribune & I was disgusted on several levels, firstly, one doesn't move children at a certain age, they have to leave their friends, grandparents, cousins etc. Ireland is the size of a small state over there. I live in Wexford & loads of Dublin families have moved here in the past 8 years, with older children, who couldn't cope with the move & Dublin is only 60 miles away.
So, this girl, at 15, had to move to a completely different culture & cope at 15 years old. I'm not blaming the parents, they possibly had to move for work, but the poster here (Anna (?)) who asked "Who commits suicide over bullying?" has never been bullied, or ever felt like an outsider, has never been 15 (a tough age).
The largest school in Ireland is in Gorey, Co. Wexford & has a capacity for 1,200 pupils but has 2,000 in it, it's the largest school in Ireland, it's very like your High Schools except less facilities. We had a 14 year old hang herself 2 weeks ago. It is difficult to control & it happens everywhere, the people who are revelling in the death of phoebie need help as much as she did.
Posted 02/22/2010 at 01:26:02 PMI previously posted this at another site regarding this subject but it either did not get posted or mysteriously disappeared.
Bullying is not limited to adolescents. I was bullied and harassed by a group of doctors in Richmond, VA for many years both in work-related environments as well as a patient. At one point I was actually called "a piece" by a staff member of the psychology dept. at MCV Hospital when I worked there as a temporary employee. This after I merely mentioned I had read a particular novel that was very popular at the time and one that the rest of the world was also reading. Obviously I was singled out for this insult. I might add that her title was actually a psychology counselor or at least she had that position). To date I'm sure I have disappointed these human vermin as I was not as vulnerable or emotionally fragile as they thought and have not destroyed myself which I am convinced was/is their objective.
Posted 02/22/2010 at 01:52:40 PMBullying, the only thing that parents are afraid of from their kids going to school. I often when through it from 6th grade through high school. I remember when I went to a new school in 6th grade, all the girls were talking to me. All the guys hated that shit. I was dorky looking kid with a big kid. I was often very quite and mind my own business kind of guy. And still do till this day. But when the guys thought I was a weak target, they picked on me. I was always getting into fights, 2 guys would pick on me, and I would kick their asses, then 3 more guys would come and I still ended up kicking their asses. My dad would just sigh and look down. I'd tell my dad, what am I supposed to do. Stay quite and walk away. I hated it so much, but I did enjoy kicking their asses. This one time when I was in 8th grade, we were supposed to make some speech about something or anything. And of course I talked about bullying. The teacher asked me, what are you going to talk about Mr. Medina. Bullying I said. Everybody just turned to each other. The guys who picked on me started to laugh at me. I smiled. Here what I said: Bullies, the kings of all cowards. I myself is a victim of bullies. But I don't feel like I'm a victim, I'm doing for the people who are inside the classroom and feel victimized. You have to stand up to them, don't be afraid. Unless if they are going to threaten you, run your ass to the office. With that shit, I don't fuck around. (I actually said that in class) Or simply say, "If you don't like me, there's nothing I could do. I don't live just to please you." One day I'm going to write a book about bullies and write about how sick their minds are, win the Pulitzer Prize Novel, get paid, and get laid by some hot ass chick. Any questions? And of course the smart ass bully that I hated the most said: Where did you get that nice faggot red jacket? Michael!! The teacher screamed. It's okay teacher, I'm gonna answer him. I got the jacket from your dad's closet after I had analy fucked your mom in the ass. And of course we got into a fight. All you gotta do is just simply stand up to them. If you kids have a problem, email me at my myspace page.
Posted 02/22/2010 at 09:53:26 PMI think that this problem is expanding because they think they cant be stopped and the school officials need to do something about bullying. what happened to Phoebe was horrible! She moved to America just to die! Those girls shouldnt even be let in school they should be arrested and or expelled, this is an injustice because they should have harsher discipline charges for this. Hopefully they do something to stop this, in my school since this tragic thing happened we have taken it very serious and we're a little bit more mature about it. I actually heard about this in school while we read the article in People Magazine & it clearly says that she wasnt strong enough and would always cry. Everybody would pick on her and never gave her a brake, they always bullied her regardless if it was via text, facebook or in person. This really needs to stop !
Posted 02/22/2010 at 10:24:05 PMAll schools have that problem. All the popular kids always being bullies. It is so sad. My heart goes out to Phoebe's family. I was bullied in school all the time. I know what it feels like. I hope that those kids get what they deserve. I think that all the ones who bullied Phoebe should be expelled. It is so terrible how kids are these days.
Posted 02/23/2010 at 01:08:50 PMTom - your reaction to this article is to correct the writer's grammar? Wow...that is shallow.
This is a terrible, terrible tragedy. I wish Phoebe knew that these girls who tormented her so much would never amount to anything in life. In ten years, Phoebe would have been able to look at them and feel nothing but pity.
Bullies like this from my high school never did anything except make an occasional appearance in the Police blotter. Most have had drug issues...a few are dead already.
Posted 02/23/2010 at 01:40:13 PMThis most certainly does happen at private schools, and worse! The Catholic school I went to, filled with so called Christians, was the most brutal place I have ever been. I would never want to relive those years, the nasty girls, and the nuns, priests, and lay people who looked the other way. Bless this child.
Posted 02/23/2010 at 08:56:21 PMThe parents of the bullies should be absolutely ashamed and maybe even disciplined themselves. Clearly they have raised trash.
Seriously TOM? Going to edit these posts for proper grammar???? Are you kidding??????
Posted 02/23/2010 at 10:11:06 PM>> After the TV crew left, one of the popular girls came up >> and punched the student in the head for talking on camera.
At this point, I don't know what more to say..
Posted 02/24/2010 at 11:52:28 AMI'm 19 and from Offaly in Ireland. I came across this story by accident on facebook earlier today. I read through all the web pages and facebook groups about Phoebe Prince that I could find and find this absolutely heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what she was going through. In a fucked up coincidence Phoebe died a 3 days before a local 15-year-old girl hung herself too. She had been bullied too and viciously too but no-one knew. On the morning she died she received more texts on her mobile from the bullies. The whole area was and still is in shock. Her Month's Mind mass was last Friday evening. It genuinely scares me how badly bullies can impact on people.
I myself was bullied in school, primary and secondary. I was always far from popular, the quiet, shy one, left aside and ignored. I had a few good friends, 2 of whom I genuinely couldn't imagine living without now. I often thought about ending it all and even had a stash of prescription painkillers kept aside for that purpose. When I was 15 in 5th year of secondary school I met a fantastic guy who I spent over 2 years with. It's only thanks to him that I am still here (my parents split around the same time I met him & only for him I don't know if I could have gotten through it), he doesn't know how much he helped me become the person I am today and even though we split 18 months ago he is my best friend & I'm very close to him and his family (his mother told me once I'm like the daughter she never had, I nearly cried!). When I went to beauty college at 17 after my leaving cert (2007) I really became myself. I'm nothing now like the person I was. School is the nastiest place anyone can ever go through, a total heirarchy whereas at college everyones adult & mature. I am much more confident, assertive and outgoing. I have recently secured my dream job, starting in few months and can't believe how much I could have missed out on. My life is far from perfect (last summer drove me scarily back to those places) but I block out the bad times and I work hard at keeping my head up & moving on. Knowing my family and friends will always be there for me means more than anything. Thank God is all I can say.
One of my best friends from school had a horrendious time in the few months before the Leaving Certificate exams. She and a friends ex were gona start seeing each other and when the 'friend' found out it split our group of friends in half. She had to be chaproned from class to class by 2/3 lads or 10 girls, depending on who was in on the day for fear of being beaten up by the bullies who would lie in wait for her. She would have to be snuck into my house every evening for a few hours because the bullies would wait at her place for her. They even verbally attacked my younger brother (15 at the time) for standing up for her. They didn't do it a second time!!! She was verging on suicide too and wanted to move back to Italy (where her family is from but she is Irish first by birth). She met her now fiance in that time and are planning their wedding in Ireland next year. The bullies are in the shit now. Two are on drugs and shacked up with the biggest drug dealers around (one of the boyfriends is in his 30/40s and in jail atm for drugs and attacking a Garda with a cleaver and she is only 19). The three of them bombed their Leavings, one of them copied me in going to beauty school but she got a bad course and is doing badly now. Karma eh?
My only wish is that Phoebe and the girl here could have survived their ordeals. For anyone who thinks things will never get better, it does trust me. There ARE people who love you and will do anything for you. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. You WILL be a stronger person in the long run, it will take time but it's totally do-able. Two things that I have learned over my journey: (1) Everything happens for a reason and (2) No matter how bad it looks, no matter how low you get or how black the hole, it does get better (june to Sept last year in my life proves it 100000%!!). When you feel yourself go into that place tell someone, make them aware. You can get better.
Lastly, to all those who slander or speak ill of people being bullied or suffering from depression, I'm jealous of your ignorance. You have obviously never know what it is like to not be physically capable of getting out of bed in the morning because you just know what that day will bring and simply can't do it. All you do is live for when you can hide away from it all again. I am jealous because when you feel like that, even for a short time, it is terrifying & you can never ever forget it. Unortunately, chances are you are also the people who put the rest of us there and for that I despise you with every fibre of my being.
Rest in peace Phoebe and M
xxx
Posted 02/24/2010 at 08:49:47 PMIt is a tumultuous time in life being a young teenage girl. God Lord, I would never want to go back, and I basically wasn’t someone who was bullied either. You are all feelings, emotions and insecurities. Here was a beautiful young girl who basically moved from another country and started a new life here, started a new school. I am sure she felt a little lost. Unfortunately, these other “girls” preyed upon her. It seems now a days there is an entire new dimension to bullying with the creation of social networking, texting etc. Back in my day you would have someone prank your house or gossip about you. It was much more limited. High school is like its’ own little world. When you are as young a Phoebe you cannot see past that universe. That one day it will be over, gone and done with.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:57:26 AMIt is really very sad. My prayers go out to her family.
Any group that preys on someone weaker whether it is physically or emotionally has serious issues themselves. These girls sound like they are spoiled, bratty vindictive creatures. Girls can be insanely mean, especially at that age but where were the parents when they were younger? I am sorry but that bullying nature to get your way does not come overnight. It is a long evolution of former condoned behavior. Shame on those parents and shame on any faculty members that knew of this and did not step in. If I saw a child on that street getting bullied I would step in (and have) shame to any adult here that turned a blind eye
I can't understand your messages please tell me.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:49:40 PMHighschool is just a bad time for everyone. It a super cliquey, you better fit in or else, i know girls that had awful experiences in high school, basically passed around. We had a girl kill herself for same reason in her senior year. Administrators are just their for a check so they don't care. Sounds like these "popular girls" were insecure losers, who were used up by the popular guys. If i had kids behaving like that towards me i'd fucking step in and regulate, you can't let other people dictate your reality.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:04:46 PMTom whats up with you man? are you an English teacher you douche....jeez get over it you stickler.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:13:16 PMYou know Elenore Roosevelt's famous quote " someone can only make you feel inferior with your permission." That is true but this 15 year old girl got caught up in the emotions she was feeling, she saw them as reality itself, which they weren't.She had no chance she was a immigrant girl, she did not know the American high school culture,this story is incredible sad especially when i think about her family. I take some comfort in knowing that the bitches that did this will burn out their looks after age 35 and end up giving guys blow jobs at truck stops and feel some self worth just because the guys got semi-hard. Saying bad thinks about people only 1. creates bad feelings in that person, 2. makes them not want to hangout with you/say bad things about you, 3. make you look insecure. I have never met a cool person that said bad things about people, there is no point in doing it and it comes from an area of conscious or unconscious insecurities.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:34:02 PMpoor girl she was very pretty and shes my age 2. i wish i cld do sumting 2 stop all this harrasing/bullying. im going 2 make a difference in my school cuz im in sports so i guess im a "cool kid" but ill be diferent den all da other kids i wont let anybody bully anybody around if my frnds do bully sum 1 ill tell them 2 leave da poor kid alone nd try 2 comfort da victim nd. for the girl i wished she wud of came 2 my skool i wud never let anything happen 2 her nd ill show her wat a real cool football player looks like cuz for now on im gunna b that guy that talks 2 band geeks,emos,immigrants,rockers it dosnt matter i will always b there 4 ppl at school.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 03:42:30 AMLots of updates since the story first made print and the internet.
This past week, the school superintendent announced that some of the students involved will not be returning to school. He refused to say whether they had been expelled but the rumors are that he allowed them to withdraw so that their student records would remain clean.
There was an anti-bullying meeting on Tuesday. When the high school principal was introduced, he was given a standing ovation - first by teachers in the first few rows and then by most everyone else (even tho some of those say they only did it because everyone else was applauding).
Unfreaking believable. You can read more by clicking my name (goes to a wordpress blog) or by going to masslive.com and clicking on the South Hadley link on the left side of the page. My blog has links to various South Hadley facebook pages.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 11:48:36 AMI am an irish girl from Co.Clare Ireland and I think it is a disgrace that those girls were able to go so far without anything to answer for, the teachers did turn a blind eye how could they not see she was being bullied! I was bullied really you in primary school which you start at age 5 and teachers do turn a blind eye. There is safety in numbers! there are more victims that bullys and they should fight back tho some schools have strict rules about that this should be an exception! There is no excuse for her boyfriend who was a quarter back to not stand up for her its just idiocy and cowardiss. Those EVIL girls deserve to be treated exactly how they treated Phoebe!!! and also should spend the rest of their lives in prison because her death is on their hands no matter what anyone else says they drove her to it! Its very sad to know that she will never be able to live and have dreams and achieve them all because of some stupid jealous trashy girls who thought they were better than everyone else and they owned guys even after they were broken up! People need to act more instead of having an article in the paper every time this happens as its not the first and wont be the last!
Posted 02/28/2010 at 01:44:23 PMThese FILTHY little pigs WILL get theirs, despite any lack of action by their pathetic parents or anyone in power. I assure you. Even if it isn't literally the same fate as poor Phoebe, these tw*ts WILL get theirs. I was endlessly harassed in school, and NO one did a THING to stop it. NO ONE. Principals turned a blind eye and told me I was exaggerating, teachers EVEN JOINED IN!! They are all paying somehow today. Believe me. Some of them were fired in a most humiliating, public fashion. A lot of my "peers" who relentlessly hounded and harassed me are living the most pathetic lives imaginable. All of the females and even some of the males who made my life an endless dismal existence during each school day are all in very bad situations. My life is not perfect by any means, but, I am very, very happy and loved. These filthy pieces of sh*t are all severely drug addicted, in prison, prostitutes or dumpy, obese pigs with multiple children that they can not cope with. I usually NEVER judge anyone for their weaknesses or their misfortune, but, the primary culprits in my case were all the popular suburbanites who were all involved in sports/cheerleading and the like, who thought were they lived and how much money their families had made them God. Well, look at them now, let me tell you. They are all strung out and pathetic living the low life in MY city that they used to look down their noses at and make fun of me for being from back then.
It all comes back to haunt you. Use your words wisely. Send your love adequately. Find something to fill your soul so you don't spend your life spewing hatred around and destroying the souls of others. Once again, it WILL come back to rip a chunk out of your behind. These heinous females who led Phoebe to this WILL get theirs. There is no question.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 07:37:26 AMBig Bully, Big Bully, tried to stick a finger in my chest, tried to tell me tell me he's the best , I dont really give a good god dam cause i got my lunchbox and Im armed real well, I GOT MY LUNCHBOX AND I'M ARMED REAL WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!when we are bullied in school the teachers and principals always look the other way because they either dont want to deal with it or dont know how, well my solution was simple PUSH BACK CHILDREN OF AMERICA AND THE WORLD FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!
Posted 03/01/2010 at 08:41:41 PMWhere others get off bullying other kids is just crazy! It really gets me mad, I have two kids of my own! One will be starting school in August and the other will be starting the next year! I have taught my kids well, they know not to bully other kids, I have taught them that bullying kids is not nice b/c they don't know what those kids might be going through at home! The kids that bully other kids need to be punished! I wonder what kind of parents they are living with? I know for a FACT I am 24 now and If I dare make a comment making fun of someone, or bullying someone or doing anything mean to someone if my dad or mother found out they would still punish me!! I guess thats the difference with the kids and young girls and boys today, THEY WEREN'T RAISED WELL, and they had no punishment for anything they did! THEY PROBABLY SAW THE SAME STUFF GOING ON AT HOME THAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE KIDS THESE DAYS! Okay im done venting now :)
Posted 03/05/2010 at 05:42:38 PMi hate dum bitchesz who bully ppl they just aint shit in life u cant ever get enough of them ive gone through da same thing also nd let m3 tell ya ihtsz not easy.. im a 14 year old still in middle skool nd graduating in june of this year . but u kno wat fuck these bitch ass hoes they they dont have a life they just uguly stupid selfish jealous ignorant immarture misrible pussy ass BITCHESZZZ!!!!
Posted 03/05/2010 at 07:43:05 PMI can tell you that the people that did all that taunting and hating feel like total crap at this very moment and you are right, what parent raises a kid like that.
Posted 03/05/2010 at 08:48:01 PMi think this is horrible im not that much older than phoebe and have had horrible things said and done to me. this boy was black mailing me and threatning me and making things up and spreading shit and sexually herassing me and it got to the point were i couldnt take it anymore i tried to transfer school and the police even got involved knowing that something as horrible as what happened to phoebe happened not too far from where i live scares me. kids are growing up so fast i walk by little kids and they think they are eighteen and have cell phones and attitudes i havent even seen a 17 year old have, what happened to playing on a swing or kick ball bc i know that when i was 7 and 8 i didnt know what sex or smoking weed and all that shit was, like my 9 year old cousin told me to "suck it" the other day it blows my mind how much kids know these days and something needs to be done about it. the future is doomed if u got a bunch of little asshole running the country. we need to fix kids now before they take on the duty of "being America" !!
Posted 03/07/2010 at 12:53:15 AMBullies should be EXECUTED.
Posted 03/09/2010 at 09:47:26 AMBoys can be as nasty as girls. I myself have a past of being bullied from kintergarden till college. I've never totally recovered since and am still suffering from anxiety and social phobia. Maybe there should be separate schools for nerds and sports-freaks. Or a complete overhaul of the very school-system into something more modern.
It just sickens me to my stomach on just how cruel kids can be to each other.
Posted 03/09/2010 at 10:06:22 PMThe girls who did the bullying were not children- they were 17 years old. 16-17 years old is already grown up. They should be punished the same way a person older than 18 would be punished.
Posted 03/10/2010 at 07:08:46 AMTom, a very early commentator: you posted a comment about the word hanged versus hung. Really. You read this article and that's all you "got" from it? I am very sad. I'm sure Phoebe is thankful you corrected this article's grammar.
Posted 03/12/2010 at 09:06:23 AMtheres no room for bulling in school i wish i could have been a student at that school
Posted 03/12/2010 at 10:51:35 AM