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Phoebe Prince, 15, Commits Suicide After Onslaught of Cyber-Bullying From Fellow Students
UPDATE: Nine students have been indicted on charges ranging from statutory rape to civil rights violations and stalking. It appears that Phoebe may finally get her justice. See update story here.![]()
Her principal called her smart and charming. And a boy had just invited 15-year-old Irish immigrant Phoebe Prince to the winter cotillion, the height of the social season at South Hadley High School in Massachusetts. But then police received a call.
It came from one of Phoebe's sisters. When cops arrived, they found that the freshman student had hung herself. Two days before the big dance.
Though they're not releasing any details, police say she was a victim of cyber-bullying from girls at the school who had an unspecified beef with her over who she was dating.![]()
A sister found 15-year-old Phoebe Prince hanging in her home
This wasn't just any case of high school girls behaving badly toward one another. Phoebe apparently faced an onslaught of bullying via texts, Facebook messages, and in person at the school. Even after her death, the shitty little girls left disparaging messages on a Facebook page created in her memory. (See the memorial page here.)
"Apparently the young woman had been subjected to taunting from her classmates, mostly through the Facebook and text messages, but also in person on at least a couple of occasions,'' school superintendent Gus Sayer told the Boston Globe.
Two students have already been suspended, and more could be on their way to discipline.
It was an especially tragic ending for the Prince family. Anne O'Brien Prince and Jeremy Prince had moved from County Clare to Massachusetts with their five kids last year. In Phoebe's death notice, they said they moved in part so "Phoebe could experience America.''
America, it seems, did not give her a very kind welcome.
UPDATE: It seems Phoebe had the misfortune of running afoul of the popular girls at South Hadley High.
You know them from your own high school: They were the pretty girls who played sports, were in cheerleading, and used their good looks to date all the name-brand jocks.
Phoebe Prince wasn't one of them. She was a freshman, had just arrived from Ireland. No way she was cool enough. She also had the misfortune of briefly dating a senior football player. The popular girls thought she didn't know her place.
So they stalked her and called her a slut -- to her face, over the phone, on Facebook.
She was walking home the day she died when one of the vile little girls drove past. She chucked an energy drink at Phoebe and threw more insults the Irish girl's way. Phoebe promptly walked into her house and hanged herself in a closet.
Even after her death, the popular girls wouldn't let up. They were like some vicious little caricatures of evil from a Lifetime movie.
According to a great column by Kevin Cullen in the Boston Globe, a student at South Hadley told a TV reporter that bullying was a common problem at South Hadley High. After the TV crew left, one of the popular girls came up and punched the student in the head for talking on camera.
UPDATE II: South Hadley officials faced a blistering attack last night for their failure to do anything about chronic bullying.
Parents recounted numerous incidents of kids being hounded and harassed, sometimes over multiple-year periods. One man told of how his son was punched in the stomach for befriending another bullied kid. A mom spoke of how her son was punched and had his face written on with magic marker.
Other parents talked about how they were beat up in school in the '90s. And most seemed to think administrators turned a blind eye to it all. Father Larry Bay said his daughter was bullied last year, but the school did nothing to stop it.
See updated story: Nine Teens Charged with Bullying Phoebe Prince to Death.
and Phoebe Prince was Harassed to Death for Dating Her Tormentors' Boyfriends.



I'd say she DID experience it.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 12:49:49 PMI wonder what kind of a parent raises such shallow, non-thinking, eltitled pieces of human garbage.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 01:24:43 PMGirls can really be horrible, I can't imagine growing up in today's world, there is no escape from bullying, it follows you home via the internet, texts, cell phones, etc.
At least in my day, if you were having trouble with certain kids at school, when you went home for the day it was generally over. Yeah they could call your house but most likely a parent would pick up first.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 01:47:22 PMQuote: "It came from one of Phoebe's sisters. When cops arrived, they found that the freshman student had hung herself. Two days before the big dance."
A person cannot be "hung", a person is "hanged". Please speak english properly.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 02:33:33 PMGod that's so awful.. that poor girl. I hope those girls get charged with manslaughter at least. Sticks and stones can only break bones but words can shatter a soul.
My heart goes out to her family and boyfriend.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:02:47 PMI wish someone would publish the names of these women, so we could put together a Facebook or Myspace page dedicated to the cause of allowing people to tell them what we really think of them.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:04:48 PMOh, Tom, get over yourself. I'm pretty sure you understood what Pete was saying.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:09:23 PMUnfortunately suspension from school for these little bitches is nothing but a glorified vacation. They need some real punishment. I hope at least they are feeling some guilt for this. Kids can be so damned cruel to other kids. They do it so they can feel better about themself. Kids need to be taught to get their validation in other ways besides belittling others. This society is so screwed, I'm kinda glad I'm in my twilight years. I don't know how much more I can stand by and witness the downfall of civilized man.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:15:17 PMUnfortunately, jadensmokes, I doubt the girls in question are feeling any remorse at all. It's simply not a part of their society anymore. If there are any consequences at all, I'm quite sure their parents will be more willing to cough up the money for a good attorney, rather than actually beat the snot out of them as they should have years ago. Too many parents are too protective of their charming little angels, seeing no possible wrong in them, instead of teaching them true right and wrong, and how to accept the consequences of their actions.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 03:40:22 PMThey should just drop a bomb on that whole snobby, privileged little hick town.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:00:47 PMFrom what I read on other sites, the bullies were also angry that the guy one of them liked asked Prince to the dance.
Disgusting that the school allowed the winter dance to go on as planned, just two days after the suicide. Why not cancel it as a gesture of mourning...or, better yet, as punishment? In fact, why not get rid of it completely? Kids obviously cannot handle the intermingling of social hour and academics -- especially since their parents are disinterested in teaching them how to behave like civilized people -- and the school clearly cannot handle the fallout from bullying situations, which are exacerbated by such jealousy-inducing events.
Enough is enough! Let schools be places for learning...not some ridiculous haven for dance "royalty" and other vain displays of petty social hierarchy. Kids are nasty enough as it is; we don't need to fuel an already blazing fire with school-sponsored social time.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:08:20 PMGo here and start your detective work..
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=252557541369&ref=mf
Some clues may be in the DECLINED list.. start reading all these vain idiot kids Facebook Walls.. names are revealed.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:45:28 PMPhoebe had the misfortune of attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
Had she been in a private school, this type of sick behaviour would not have been tolerated. Her father and mother could have met with the principal, gave evidence, and the school would have been responsible for kicking out the perps.
Public school? Oh, after she's dead they release nice statements: "She was smart and charming." great. Thanks for that. And, after death, 2 of the sluts are 'suspended'. BFD.
Everyone associated with this hell hole called a school should be embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted with themselves. Fuck 'em all.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 04:49:06 PMThose little snobs will one day be fat and ugly. They have no way of providing for themselves because it looks like they get away with everything. Age is a bitch, baby. Once they reach a certain age (24,25) they are no longer the focus and will cry themselves to sleep each night b/c of it! I wish I could go back to high school and slap every girl who treated me that way. In truth, they were skinnier than me so I probably had the fighting chance. But I was scared to be embarassed outloud. Granted, its not compared to what happened here, but they should all just rot. I bet they were jealous as hell of a pretty irish girl in plain ol' america. I would rather live in Ireland anyday but that is just a dream.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:28:49 PMI literally started crying when I read this story. Being 25 I can still remember how very cruel high school was and that was actually one of the reasons I dropped out. The principal wouldn't do anything about it and told my mom it wasn't his problem so she told me it was my choice. I couldn't eat, I could barely sleep, and every day I wondered what kind of harrasment I would have to deal with. It took a toll on me mentaly so I decided to drop out and get my diploma thru the college. I regret it sometimes, but most of the time I'm grateful I got out of there. If I hadn't I don't know what would have happened.
How sad that this family came here hoping their children could experience American life. They probably had no idea how cruel children, especially girls, can be here. And I'm sorry, but that girl was just beautiful. I don't know her, but she looks like she was beautiful inside as well as on the outside.
When I picked my daughter up, she asked me why I had been crying. I told her that I had read something that made me very sad. She gave me a huge and kiss and told me she loved me. I felt better, but then I thought what life is gonna be like for her as she gets older. She is only 4 and in preschool, but kids are already cruel, much more cruel than I remember being that age. I heard one girl call another one fat and make fun of her clothes. The girls especially at the dance "school" my daughter goes to are cruel. Not so much the little ones, but the older ones, the "role models".
It just breaks my heart hearing about these stories. Not only did I suffer in high scholl and one of my closest uncle commited suicide, but it just scares me. It scares me for my daughter and my 3 neices. If it was bad when I was younger, its worse now, what is it gonna be like in a few years? Even now my 7 year old neice thinks she is fat because everyone is skinnier than her, and she isn't! I tell her that God made you the way he wanted you and never let anyone tell you your fat, ugly, stupid, or anything else cause we love you and God loves you.
There has got to be harsher laws when it comes to this. That "mom" pretended to be a boy on myspace and got her friend all excited then "dumped" her and she ends up killin herself. A girl sends pictures of her breasts to a boy (yes a little stupid), he sends them to people, they make fun of her to the point she can't take it anymore and hangs herself. And that's only 2 stories that come to mind. This is going way too far. They need to do something so that the people involved are punished, not given little vacations aka suspensions. The law needs to get involved.
Sorry for ranting, but this is just horrible. Those girls that did this may be the prettiest things in the world, but inside they are just hideous.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:44:20 PMThose girl's are low life pieces of shit. I don't understand how they are still in school walking among other kids. They deserve every horrible thing that is out there. Rest in Peace Phoebe. Everyone is going to miss you a lot.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:46:14 PMWhat a shame. Phoebe was a beautiful young lady. These girls should be severly punished. It seems that we can no longer control our children. With every generation they get more out of control, more disrespectful, and lazier. They all seem to think the world owes them something just for being born into it.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:51:21 PMKPR,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:58:00 PMThe issue is not whether the school is public or private. The issue is whether this type of behavior is tolerated by the BOE, community, school officials, and teachers. I'm a retired public school teacher. We never had these types of problems to this extent at the school where I worked because any type of harassment was expressed forbidden and punishable by immediate suspension.
@rocki - I can tell you exactly what type of parent raises this kind of child. It would be the parents that were also spoiled as children and were also non thinking, self entitled pieces of human garbage whose parents had way too much money for their own good and didn't spend enough time raising their children. They just gave them what ever they wanted. So the cycle is repeated. End of story.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 05:58:24 PMmajii,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:14:50 PMExactly, you said it. "any type of harassment was expressed forbidden and punishable by immediate suspension" it IS a metter of public and private schools. Nowadays the public schools are running rampant. The sub-par teachers with their unionsare able to be just that, sub-par. A teacher nowadays can be a lousy teacher that doesn't have the students education, safety, or best interest at heart, and they will still keep their job, why? Because they are part of a teachers union paid for by the government. If teachers were more concerned with the education and well being of the students, they would be a good teacher, if they didn't care what happened to the students chances are the parents wouldn't want their child going to that school and the teacher would be fired. In a private school the teachers give the students more attention, and they are more involved with what goes on with their students, this behavior would have been stopped early on. I say it's just as much the public schools fault as it is the parents of these little skank offspring. Get teachers in there who will do their job of educating and protecting the children while they are in the school and let the parents protect their children when they leave school. Bullying is going to happen no matter what but a significant amount can be squashed if the teachers actually cared enough to do something when the children are under their care.
If the sick jealous trash are underage won't their parents be responsible for their bulling on the internet? Will the parents have to pay fines? I am going to check it out to see if there are laws against this were a minor is concerded. What about the nasty brat that punched the other student? I think the school should be sued, they knew what was going on, they have had this problem in the past
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:29:03 PM.marie heck, have you ever run into those people that harassed you in school? You sound like you have done well for yourself, your well spoken, you have a nice family.
Here's another point, why do all of these kids even have cellphones? It wasn't all that long ago (11-12 years ago) that I graduated from high school, but I only knew of 1 or 2 kids that had cell phones. All these kids with their iphones, and texting 24/7 is part of the problem. PARENTS if you are paying for your child to have a cell phone keep tabs on what messages are going to and coming from your kids phone (yes you can monitor that stuff). Another problem is these damn social networking websites, seriously people LIVE off of these websites and it's pretty pathetic. PARENTS, if your kid has a facebook or myspace account, monitor what they are doing on those sites! If your kid is being a little asshole take their phone away, take their computer away, if your kid is a prick, punish them! Geeze if I acted like that to someone else when I was a kid, my parents would hand my ass to me, and in doing so they would also teach me how and how not to treat someone, right and wrong. Why do these kids even need to go on a social networking site? everyone they know they see everyday in their neighborhoods or schools, they can't wait until the next day to tell someone something? Or they can't just pick up a phone to call someone?! Sure when you get older you want to keep in touch with your childhood pals, I understand that. But these social networking sites make it easy for these little cowardly shits to say horrible things they would normally not have the balls to say in person, then everyone else sees it and starts to chime in creating the snowball effect.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:31:16 PMAwe Jadensmokes,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:44:06 PMDon't be so "jaded", I think Deepak said it best when he said
" ice cream hasn't changed, you have."
A person can so be hung. Just ask my wife.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:48:16 PMTom,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:51:31 PMWho made you the english police? Does it make you feel big and important to correct someone you dont even know.
skeptical said:
"What a shame. Phoebe was a beautiful young lady. These girls should be severly punished. It seems that we can no longer control our children. With every generation they get more out of control, more disrespectful, and lazier. They all seem to think the world owes them something just for being born into it."
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It's not the kids dear.. it's the parents raising them. Not all parents, but majority of parents now-a-days have no morals and it's truly pathetic!!
RIP Phoebe!
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:56:00 PMA good punishment for children and their parents that use communication devices to bully, with proof gained when law enforcement gets internet and/or phone carrier records, would be to ban the entire household from having cell or internet service for a penalty period. Identification of source is easy these days if the cops have any skill level in such matters. These kids need consequences and by the looks of how kids love their social networks and cells, it would be a good deterrent. There should also be a charge at some point that will appear on their record. How many colleges would want some kids with an harassment record at their school?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:57:35 PMTom,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:57:39 PMI agree with everyone else. Hung is a word with the had in front of it. Past particible... But if social networking sites cause this much they should just shut them down, or check messages before sent! If you can put Facebook and Myspace on TVs and phones I believe you can check messages....
It's completely appalling that these people remorselessly drove someone to their death. They should all be subjected to unheard of tortures, or hideously disfigured and forced to live.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:58:30 PMI'm actually more upset that no one properly informed this girl that as long as your alive good things can come your way, and not to let a bunch of cunts rain on your parade, and all the hope someone can shatter in your teenage years can be replaced with real meaningful feelings. She had no one to turn to at all?
This ruins my "people get what they have coming" concept, and shakes the foundation of my faith. I assume this girls death is those girls punishment, and none of them will get the message. gross.
Be VERY curious to see if she was on anti-depressants...these nasty drugs do correlate with suicides.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:58:39 PMThis is an awful thing to happen but I can't help but think that people are missing the point a little bit.
Bullying, isolating the 'different' people so they can be picked apart by the herd, this has been a core part of human behavior since we were apes banging sticks together in the jungle. This is one small aspect of what human social interaction looks like.
I'm not saying it's OK, not at all, I was bullied a lot at high school and I'm sure it's had a serious effect on me throughout my life.
But it's simply not possible to eradicate it via punishment. I do believe that a model society could eliminate this behaviour by example but such a society has never existed and the society we live in is impossibly far from that ideal.
Short term, then, we have to educate kids on how to cope with what will inevitably happen to them at some point. Why did this girl not communicate better with her parents, sisters, or friends? There's something wrong when she has so little support around her that suicide seems like the only option.
The vast majority of kids will never contemplate suicide seriously because of bullying, the ones that do have some mental health issues that leave them more vulnerable than most.
I think an ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure, somebody needs to train parents and their kids how to recognise the signs of an impending tragedy and take action to prevent it.
Of course, specific instances of bullying need to be punished where possible. But that's never going to eliminate the problem, parents need to take the possibility of their child being a victim more seriously.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 07:59:29 PMTrue bullying is part of human behavior no matter how you look at it, and it's also an important part of growing up and learning to defend yourself and others who can't defend themselves. But the ways of bullying are evolving with the ages. When I was a kid, if someone was bullied it was face to face, and you either ignored it, or stood your ground, all in all it was over sooner or later. These cowards today hide behind the safety of their "screen name" and their cell phone. I don't think it's fair to say something was wrong with her because she didn't communicate with her family better regarding this issue, yes it's a shame she didn't but everyone is different, and everyone reacts and handles stresses differently, yes she should have talked to her family, but at the same time it should have never gotten to that point to begin with.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:12:27 PMThere are some pretty hairy laws against bullying. What most of us as users are doing is bullying one another. It is against the law. WoW.
No dirty lanuage, no racist comments you know the rest.
Authorities take cyber bullying very seriously. So, before you dash off an angry e-mail or post a cruel comment on another person's profile or blog, stop and think first. You may save yourself from a lot of legal and disciplinary problems down the road.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:15:10 PMShe should have stayed safe with us in the Emerald Isle.
You will be missed Phoebe. The bitches will never forget you, and neither will we.
Ar dheis dé go raibh a anam.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:25:12 PMAlthough I found the article to be informative, the writers grammar and poor wording took me out of the story. He used some weird analogies and most of the things he said seemed like the kind of thing a 12 year old would right. This isn't meant in a mean way, just as a bit of constructive criticism, when you are writing about something as tragic as the death of a young girl, you don't need to rely on cheap metaphors and comparisons.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:27:03 PMI always hated the pretty popular girls. Many of them are bullies. I wish someone would burn them and make them eat ashes.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:33:11 PMPlEASE someone find out the names of these girls and post it along with pics if possible. Let's make sure they are haunted by this for the rest of their miserable lives!!!
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:43:55 PMKids these days are big pussies. I don't exactly remember anyone killing themselves over being picked on at school. QQ
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:44:56 PMOk this story is ridiculous. I can relate to this behavior being tormented in high school, but you don't buckle under the pressure and take your own life that's pretty insane when there are people living in third world countries or surviving natural disasters who learn to cope.
From a clinical standpoint it wouldn't surprise me if this girl had prior emotional and psychological problems...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:47:12 PMCall the cause whatever you want. Public school, bad parenting, media, the individuals themselves. But honestly, it more or less comes down to some jealous people acting in a way they were never taught otherwise towards a person who no one would stand up for. Everyone and no one is to blame.
Sadly, it's all irrelevant. This poor girl had a lot taken away from her. I feel bad for people driven into a corner like this. Whatever the afterlife is, heres hoping it treats her better than this. RIP.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:47:55 PMTom, you're a faggot. Is that proper enough english for you?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:52:20 PMpain is part of life...I agree with mr. anonyous, get over it..she had an "out of her league" guy and a family. bitchy girls really worth taking your life because you cant weight what you have against the bullshit..taking your life, or solving problems by taking someone else's is simply weakness. there are also evil people who are not hot. fucking toolbags hating on popular girls
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:54:18 PMTom: you are a fucking idiot if the only thing you get from this story are the typing errors. Don't be such a pompous asshole; You may write things correctly, but you also have no friends to talk to.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:58:19 PMIsn't it great when the internet hate machine starts churning?... Sad people are sad. Enjoy the machine, Greg.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:59:38 PMSadly, it is unlikely that criminal charges will amount to much even if they are brought. It could be as simple as assault because proving her death was a direct result of these pathetic creatures' actions beyond a shadow of doubt will be tough. Every other problem she had will be trotted out to explain her suicide....and face it what teenager doesn't have problems.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:59:51 PMThe best chance of punishment lies in the civil courts for wrongful death. The standard of proof drops to "more likely than not". But the punishment will be meted out against the parents (and/or their insurance carrier). There will be no justice here.
Fred, you're the "fucking toolbag" do you really think these people are "hating" on popular girls? seriously, how old are you? Sure there are evil people who aren't hot, and we don't even know what these other girls even looked like. Popular or not these girls were a bunch of little cunts that didn't like the fact the new Irish girl was getting a little attention. Is any of that worth taking your life? No I'll agree with you there but it's the fact that it happened, and what's worse is even after she killed herself, they STILL kept talking their shit on their precious social networking site. That shows you what complete pieces of shit your "popular girls getting hated on" are.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:02:28 PMThis has happened time and time again; why is it that the perpetrators only get 'suspended'? They drove a human being to suicide - how is that not a jail-able offense? And 'bein a juvenile' or whatever isn't a defense - they knew exactly what they were doing (hence them continuing their onslaught after the death). Not only should the offenders be jailed, they and their families need to be psycho-analyzed so as to fix this problem.
I'm aware that school administrators can't check up on every single student every day, but something needs to be done proactively, not after the fact. A school essay I've been reading talks of the passiveness of us Americans, even in the face of opposition; we believe someone else will fix the nuisance for us, someone will step up for us, some one will etc. This attitude is imparted at home and confirmed at school - keep your mouth shut and head down and everything will be okay. Evidently this theory is incredibly faulty, and school districts need to take note: teach your students to be real people: to treat others with courtesy, and report those who blatantly do not.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:06:57 PM@tom:
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:07:28 PMit's a tragic story and all you could muster was an english lesson? what kind of an @$$hole are you?
@KPR ..."KPR said:
Phoebe had the misfortune of attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL."...
You're kidding, right?
After attending both Public and Private during my time at school, I found both to be just as cruel and unforgiving to the students that found them selves out of favour with a particular group, as well as a culture of societal class bias, racism, alcohol and substance abuse.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:11:29 PMMr. Ryan,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:13:59 PMpoint is that no matter how you look at things, work suicides, or school related. Suicide is a weak way of dealing with a problem, and apart from a few figures in history that gave their lives for true justice, as jb said "there will be no justice here," and why should girls have to face charges from something that happens to EVERY person. the world turns, Big people stand up for little ones and thats what someone should have done in this situation. the girls that taunted here will get their turn but she hurt people who fucking loved her..not just who bullied her..
all girls are bullies and bitches in high school.. it has been the same for decades.. it will never change
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:14:31 PMThe girl was very pretty. And she had one delicious accent. That would make her differences charming. And to the girls that were jealous, it must really have given them the incentive to do what they liked doing.
These girls must really have had such interesting parenting. If any. What must it be like to feel so entitled to do and say whatever they liked? What empty women they have become. What a lack of decency and social conscience. The fact is these girls will not change. A persons character is formed by the time they reach nine years old. They are what they are.
And you have to wonder just how much blame their parents or the girls will accept. None I would guess. I can just hear them now. 'It was not my fault." "Or it was not my daughters fault. The girl must have been unbalanced." etc.
We see constant examples of the unremitting harassment and bullying and what it can lead to. Even if this poor girl had been sorely tried, since we never know just how fragile anyone is, it behooves us to take care not to try and destroy anyone.
These girls have formed into something ugly and pathetic. I don't care how popular they are. The kind of lunacy and despicable conduct show how they will function in a society already rife with inhumanity and cruelty. They will fit right in. As for their parents who raised them with such shallow and surface values, I wonder how much blame they might want to take on. There is no way for these creatures to make up for causing this girls death. What kind of boys would date girls like these? And what kind of school could consistently allow bullying.
If any school takes them in, or this school takes them back, they are accessories to this conduct. The article says this school is home to bullying. A record of this kind of abuse. If I had a child there I would take them out.
I hope this girls parents sue the school, the school board and each of the girls involved. It will not bring their beautiful daughter back. But it will reach these people in the only way they understand. Money. They have no ethics or conscience so hit them in the pocket book. All of them.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:20:27 PMFred,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:22:24 PMI completely agree with you that she hurt people that loved her. But she was a 15 year old girl, someone that age and lack of life experience doesn't realize the impact of something like that on the people around her. The girl should face charges because there is a difference between picking on someone, and relentlessly bullying someone. A decent human being would know where to draw the line. If they didn't realize the impact they were having on this girl, and were devastated and remorseful at what happened, fine. But the fact that even after her death they kept it up. Something should be done, whether it be legal or by their peers. Bullying is a part of growing up, but there's a line.
"Phoebe had the misfortune of attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
Had she been in a private school, this type of sick behaviour would not have been tolerated. Her father and mother could have met with the principal, gave evidence, and the school would have been responsible for kicking out the perps.
Public school? Oh, after she's dead they release nice statements: "She was smart and charming." great. Thanks for that. And, after death, 2 of the sluts are 'suspended'. BFD.
Everyone associated with this hell hole called a school should be embarrassed, ashamed and disgusted with themselves. Fuck 'em all."
KPR,
Its not the school's fault. The fault lies with these children. I hope that they can see the pain they cause this girl, and that they live with the guilt for the rest of their lives. Also, private schools work no differently than public, they are just allowed to teach religion and usually have uniforms. At least here in the US. I don't know how things are where you're from, but from your spelling I'm guessing the UK somewhere. The fault lies not with the school, but more likely with the tormentors and their parents.
What kind of child is so hurtful? How do they get to be this way? I'll give you a hint, its not the TV's fault, its not video games, its not music. ITS THE PARENTS. All it takes is humility and compassion to teach your children proper behavior. If you have those things and your child is misbehaving you're either in denial or your child is a psychopath.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:24:21 PM@Ryan
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:28:57 PMPoint well made
Siiigh no hope left for this world. Its unfortunate that modern medicine has allowed scumbags to breed and produce other scumbags. Maybe if they would have all died off due to natural selection we wouldnt have a wonderful young girl pass away. Now we have a bunch of future white trash women of america instead of someone who could actually make a difference.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 09:40:41 PMNick, this isn't meant in a mean way either! We all enjoy what Pete writes including you. Before you criticizes Pete for his grammar, check yourself. "he said seemed like the kind of thing a 12 year old would right?" WRITE
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:31:26 PMSome of you that think that this was because Phoebe Prince was a weak as a person. No. Could any of you cope with this harassment now a days in high school? Remember you did not have internet the way kids have it now. Phoebe Prince is a very pretty girl, the popular girls( lol )are the ones that were jealous of Phoebe Prince. If they weren't, they never would have tormented her to death. As for the BOY being out of her league, give me a break. The popular girls broke the law and the school did nothing to stop them, I hope the parents sue and get them right in the wallet.
Bob Saget, your just nasty
> A person cannot be "hung"
Take a look at this then....
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:31:43 PM"I wonder what kind of a parent raises such shallow, non-thinking, eltitled pieces of human garbage."
REPUBLICANS (Probably O'Reilly and Beck's daughters)
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:33:42 PMFar too many years ago when I was in school the bully stood nose to nose with you, usually alone, but sometimes with a friend. Today they are in packs of cowards, hiding behind screens and never having the guts to stand alone face to face with the target of their rage.
I believe these girls should be punished, and then punished some more. I do have my doubts on if it would have any real impact because if they continued after her death, they have no remorse and if I am not mistaken, is this not a sign of a psychopath?
The parents should also be punished. As a parent, it is your duty and obligation to raise the best human being that you possibly can. If you are not aware of your child's behaviour and monitoring what they are doing with the technology you have provided you have failed both as a parent and a human being.
Maybe Phoebe did have some issues that stopped her from seeing that there is other alternatives to suicide but that is not the point. These girls sensed the weakness in her, and surrounded her with their hate just like a pack of jackals around a wounded animal.
I doubt very much that these jackals will receive anything more than a suspension but at the very least they should be sterilized so that they cannot breed and and raise more animals like themselves.
When you bully, your victim lives in fear and sometimes, like what I expect Phoebe did, in terror.
I did a quick internet dictionary check for the word terrorist and got this.
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
So really, what is a bully and why are they not treated in a manner that truly reflects what they are?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:33:43 PMSuch a shame....
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:34:03 PMhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=275900602838&ref=mf#/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=275900602838
When I was in school, I was taught to bide my time...... I don't condone revenge but it has served me well.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:41:05 PMCyber-Bullying is NOT okay! Children HAVE to start learning this or stories like these are going to become all too common =(
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:55:29 PMPICS?
Posted 01/27/2010 at 10:57:28 PMI was also bullied when I was in school, junior high and high school. I hated school and have no good memories of it. My heart breaks for this girl. I think a fitting punishment would be a truckload of bricks delivered to the school and let them build a wall and tear it down everyday, all day, rain or shine, winter or summer. Let them have to work in front of the other students, get filthy and sweaty. Everyday, a hard days work. They need to be taught about consequences to actions. This is something our young people are seriously lacking.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:05:15 PMAm I the only one here that has some sense?
If you can't deal with words, and others opinions of you, no matter how horrible, you won't make it in this world. She couldn't deal with it, so she left.
And a suspension for the people "Bullying" her?
If it didn't happen at school (Internet), schools legally can't do shit about it.
It was her fault, not anybody else. She did it, not them.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:07:26 PM"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:07:52 PMC.C.,
Yes, I have seen some of the girls that terrorized me in high school. They are all pretty much the same hateful ugly bitches they were 8 years ago. With the exception of a few they all treat me the same. One girl, she wasn't really hateful to me but hung out with the girls that were, works in a flower shop here and that's where I got my flowers for my wedding. She was very nice and more helpful than 3 of my bridesmaids (2 of which happened to be my cousins!) At the reception! We even said one day when I was picking the tuxes up that we wished we had talked more cause we got along so great! That's usually how it works. You either change drastically or you stay the same.
Murray C,
Nice judgement call on these being daughter's of republicans. My mom is a "republican" and she didn't raise me to be like that. Complete opposite actually. But way to go! You can tell a persons political stance on so little! Bravo to you!
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:10:09 PM@Tom
A person can hang themselves you idiot.
Learn2Grammar.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:11:50 PMIf you're interested in finding out the names of these heartless bitches:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=275900602838
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:29:49 PMGirls will be girls, just reposting from the facebook group, but here are the confirmed names of these useless twats.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:33:17 PMThe bullies are: Ashley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins & Kayla Narey.
Let's see how they enjoy cyber bullying when their names are plastered for all the world 2 see.
Here are the photos of some of the bullies. I think the person who posted these, needs to put them all over the net, so these cowards are exposed.
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:40:13 PMNotice how ALL of them are very unattractive. I'm surprised they are popular, their parents must have money or something, because these girls are HIDEOUS.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=275900602838#/group.php?v=photos&gid=275900602838
marie heck,
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:44:38 PMI will get off the subject of you, but why didn't you just tear them apart when you ran into them? I sure would have. My girlfriend weighed 245 lbs in high school she was BULLIED in high school. We went to our to our 5 yr. reunion. I wish you could have seen everyone's jaw drop. Thats how Becky got even.
Mary posted:
http://www.facebook.com/group.phpgid=275900602838&ref=mf#/group.php?v=wall&ref=mf&gid=275900602838
if you go half way down the page you will find the popular girls NAMES. I would have copied them but I didn't know if I could get in trouble.
Hanged, as a past tense and a past participle of hang, is used in the sense of "to put to death by hanging,"
the word, hung is the preferred form as past tense and past participle, as in I hung my child's picture above my desk.
Kewlface said:
@Tom
A person can hang themselves you idiot.
Learn2Grammar.
John said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:55:15 PMYou must like these articles or you would not be reading them.
@ C.C.: I was directed here from a website that I will not name. I assumed at first that this was a professional news website. Obviously, I was wrong...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 11:58:09 PMJohn,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:05:35 AMwhy can't you name the website? If you were on it, it must be open to the public. Maybe some of us would be interested in it. I saw the pictures of the Popular girls. And they were the pretty ones? I would hate to see what was considered ugly.
I am not permitted to reveal the web site, sorry. It's part of the rules that go along with being a member there. You probably wouldn't like it anyways... Sorry.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:18:14 AMDarwin had a theory on this...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:34:26 AMWho hangs themselves over being bullied?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:56:29 AMShe got trolled
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:12:21 AMYes, grammar mistakes are truly the important thing to discuss.
get a life.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:12:42 AMThis is a very difficult, tragic situation.
Obviously the bulk of the fault lies with the girls who bullied Phoebe, but I think that some of the people commenting here are failing to take their developmental stage into account. I don't have their specific ages, but I would assume they're close to Phoebe's age (15 or so). As an adult young enough to still fairly clearly remember what it was like to be in high school, I have a hard time condoning calling for their death.
Most, if not all teenagers have little to no concept of how their actions influence the world around them, including how the possible consequences of their actions will influence their own lives. This at least partly explains why there are so many teen pregnancies, incidences of alcohol abuse such as drunk driving, why dropout rates are so high, and how horribly teenagers can tend to treat other people.
Do these girls deserve punishment? Certainly. Perhaps even some jail time. It's how they'll learn the consequences of these sorts of actions. But I don't think they're irredeemable; more that they're quite immature. It's terrible that it had to come to this, but I doubt that these girls were thinking that they could drive Phoebe to hang herself. Sadly, they weren't thinking at all.
There should have been some intervention. If nothing else it might have let Phoebe know that there was someone on her side, someone who would advocate for her.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:21:40 AMAshley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins, and Kayla Narey....these are the girls who bullied her. Now that they're names are out, perhaps they will get a taste of what they gave her. Perhaps now they will feel the hurt and embarrassment that Phoebe felt.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:22:46 AMWow... some people... these bullies need to go to councelling... and do some community servivce and volunteer work...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:22:55 AMhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=275900602838
These girls don't seem to care what's happened to her, and continue to disrespect her death.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:10:33 AMC.C.,
Some of the girls that bullied me are worse of than I was back then! I wasn't fat, but I was "chunky" (curvy in normals peoples words!) I didn't have a bad complexion, I had glasses/contacts, and my hair was always "pretty". Now, I'm about the same, a little more weight from having my daughter and different health problems. But when I see those girls, I almost want to laugh! They have gained a lot of weight compared to what they used to weigh. Their skin is so nasty from fake baking all the time. One of them even looked oranger than orange (if that's possible!) and she looked really wrinkly (think the old lady off of there's something about mary!). Some of their hair was nasty and fried. And then a couple of them look so cracked out and skinny, they look like skeletons! I know its not nice to think, but I kinda thought they deserved it. All that time they were doggin others about the way they look and then karma comes and bites them in their ass. Yea, it was sweet in a way, but then I just kinda felt bad for them.
And thank you for what you said earlier, about I seem to have made a better life and have a good family. I have had my rough patches, but I think I've done pretty good! Thank you very much for that!
Also, to the people that are saying she shouldn't have done what she did or talked to her parents or whatever. Did it ever occur to you that not only was she in a new school, she was in a whole other COUNTRY?!?! Who is to say she had to deal with that kind of stuff in Ireland? Whose to say how their schools are over there? And maybe she felt guilty about letting these skanks get to her the way they did. Guilty because her family moved from everything they had probably ever known so their children could experience America. Who can say why she didn't reach out to someone.
Yea, bullying has gone on forver, but you have to admit, its gettin worse. I don't think kids are gettin weaker, I think they are gettin meaner. I mean, I haven't been in school for like 6 years, but its gotten a lot worse even since then! You have all these kids puttin up videos on youtube of others beating up someone, a whole gang of them against one. And nothing ever gets done. Kids get slaps on the wrist and are told "don't do it again" and that's pretty much it! You can't say the "n" word or call someone a "homo" because its racist or whatever. But you can call someone fat? How is it any different? It still hurts and cuts the same. And before anyone says "well you can help being fat". Tell that to my sister who has a 4 year old little girl that doesn't weigh what a 4 year old should weigh (I'm not gonnaa put how much my neice weighs because adults can be as cruel as children). Tell that to all the doctors, nutrionists, and other specialists who can't explain it. She doesn't eat anymore than my daughter who weighs about the same as a 2 year old, she is as active as my daughter, and yet they can't explain why she weighs what she weighs. Yea true, some people do cause themselves to be obese, but the next time you look at someone who is "fat", try thinking its not cause of their eating habits. It could be a health issue.
Once again, sorry for the rant. But this whole situation really pisses me off.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:58:09 AMHer boyfriend should beat the cr**p out of them...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:18:42 AMwimps...
Its traggic and those girls should be brought to justice, but school, family, and whatever friends have their share of resposibility too... they should take care of her and not leave her to fight alone...
All and all ending your life because of bulling isn't the solution, you just grow up and make sure one day you will pay them back...
Jeremy (and others who took issue with my original comment above),
I was born in Ireland, have lived at different times in the US and Ireland, and been educated primarily in the US at both public and private schools.
Here is my problem with S Hadley HS in particular, and public school in general.
Reading articles in the Globe and the Phoenix and Facebook postings from Prince's friends and foes alike makes it abundantly clear that this school has had a bullying problem for some time. This is not an isolated instance. And yet, here are some salient quotes from the 'educators' empowered to make Hadley a repository for education:
Superintendent Gus Sayer: "“Apparently the young woman had been subjected to taunting from her classmates, mostly through the Facebook and text messages, but also in person on at least a couple of occasions.’’
Apparently so. Where was Gus? Where was the team of principals? Teachers?
What's especially galling, though about Sayer's statement is that he attempts to distance HIS RESPONSIBILITY (the school) from the bullying. A 'couple occasions' 'primarily via text and Facebook'. Ah, so school, primarily, is safe, it's just that these bullies are operating in the shadows. BUT, let's see what happened to another student AFTER Prince's death...
A local TV station arrived at school and found most students refused to speak about the cause of Prince's breakdown, but one girl, interviewed in a hallway belonging to the school said, "... on camera what was common knowledge: that bullies were stalking the corridors of South Hadley High. As soon as the TV crew was out of sight, one of the Mean Girls came up and slammed the girl who had been interviewed against a locker and punched her in the head."
So the abusive behaviour is STILL going on and being perpetrated by, at least in this case, one of the SAME GIRLS who mentally assaulted Prince.
But don't worry. If you have children enrolled at Hadley, changes are right around the corner:
"On Wednesday, the South Hadley School Committee will discuss antibullying policies at the town’s four schools. A system-wide review had been underway for 18 months, as instances of bullying crept into schools, officials said."
Interesting quote. Further proof that this abusive behaviour is an epidemic at the school. But even more damning... AN 18 MONTH REVIEW IS STILL UNDERWAY??? How freakin long does it take a school district to act???
It isn't just S Hadley. Or Mass. It is going on everywhere. My point with private school is just this: IN GENERAL the dumbasses get disciplined. Get disciplined a few times and you get thrown out of school. There is also accountability. There are not 18 month studies, not when it comes to formulating a response to abuse on the part of one student to another!
Schools are not about learning. They haven't been for a long time (if they ever were). They are about indoctrination and churning out brainwashed individuals to fit a system. This is true of public and private schools. Home School, if you are a parent with some smarts, is the way to go - I do wish I had said that in my original comment. If that can't be done, private, in general, is safer both mentally and physically, than public. I know someone will follow me with a post of their own listing the excuses for why this crap happens in school. Excuses are bullshit.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:24:48 AMThe instigators should be named, everyone associated with this case (especially the adults) should be shamed - publicly.
Finally... if either of my boys, when they get older, EVER treat another child the way Prince was treated by these bitches, they will face consequences they will never forget.
May God bless Phoebe and her remaining family.
Fucking Americans! The Irish will rule!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:39:36 AMAshley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins & Kayla Narey
there are 4 names of the bully girls for you. i don't think the facebook page that has been linked here will remain in tact for long. there are some real shitheads posting there and making what could be a good thing into another mosh pit of sarcasm, hateful remarks and bullying!
shame on these girls, may their story follow them for the rest of their days. college, jobs, husbands, kids, etc. it should affect everything in their life until atonement takes place. these girls don't get it yet...beating a person that told the news group more information. they've not learned a damn thing from this. so, i felt it appropriate to put these names out there.
(((marie))) hugs! good to see you again!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:39:27 AMThese bullies should be stripped of all internet access, phones and other ways of cyber bullying. And they should ofcouse be expelled from school.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:51:20 AMI was also getting bullied in my school time by a guy with irrationally high self-esteem. The bullying was over when I hit him in the face knocking out two central incisors. The guy wasn't into bullying anyone ever since. I highly recommend beating the bastards up instead on hanging yourself. Cheers.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:07:08 AMWhat the fuck dude. Girls nowadays are such bitches. I honestly have to say, if I was that senior jock, Id take my own justice upon those girls for there henious acts of sourness and hatred and give it back ten-fold. That girl did NOT deserve that kind of treatment. Just because 1 popular jock decided that he would date for personality instead of one of the skanks that wanted to show him how retardedly blonde and drunk they are/could get.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:41:37 AMi think whoever these girls are has something coming their way.....something bigger than bullying !
Posted 01/28/2010 at 08:37:15 AMHey "Tom" -
Posted 01/28/2010 at 08:45:55 AMAfter reading about that terrible tragedy, all you have to offer is grammatical instruction? You really sound like a soulless asshole.
I myself live here in Dublin, Ireland, and it truly sickens me hearing this. Really tragic.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 08:59:58 AMWe don't have this sort of trouble in British schools because we have no pretty girls.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:05:44 AMThis bullying crap has got to stop...and the girls are indeed far worse than the boys in that respect. My daughter was bullied high school and that was in the 90s and I was subject to bullying in the 70s when I attended high school. The chain has got to be broken sometime...and maybe the one positive thing that will come out of this that people will be more aware that these "popular girls" shouldn't be so popular anymore.
RIP Phoebe. Thank God there are no "mean girls" in Heaven.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:09:04 AMIt's very unfortunate, but that is a perfect thumbnail of America. From politics to religion, bullies run the show. If this sort of problem is not taken care of, we are going to lose all the potential and good young kids. I hope this is tried as murder by those "popular" girls. I'm so sad that people outside of America are right when they say the things they say about my country.
May God help us. We have such a long way to go.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:15:39 AMFacebook and MySpace have privacy settings, instant messenger programs have block buttons and mobile phone operators can block texts or calls from a specific number. All of the above can operate on a whitelist basis. Cyber bullying sucks but it's not difficult to prevent.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:22:24 AMThese girls are horrible little bitches. The poor girl. They all need to be accountable for their actions, and a suspension doesn't cut it.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:35:28 AMlooobes said:
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:53:57 AMIt's not the kids dear.. it's the parents raising them. Not all parents, but majority of parents now-a-days have no morals and it's truly pathetic!!
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yeah, looobes. and by following your formula i have discovered that fault, as it were, does not lie with the parents of those vile children. rather, fault falls upon the parents' parents. oh wait, i mean fault falls upon their parents' parents' parents. no, i'm wrong. their parents' parents' parents' parents' should recieve the blame. looobes, you're part of the problem; you are totally blind to the complexities of a media intensive world. the moment a child steps out the door, they are drowning in commercial brainwashing. it doesn't matter what goes on in their house or the lessons parents attempt to teach. HEY, EVERYBODY, "COALITION FOR A COMMERCIAL FREE CHILDHOOD." google the idea.
To the person above that said it looks like she did experience America I completely agree. It's awful that she committed suicide but is anyone really surprised that high school girls are bitches? Hell there's an entire movie about it... you don't even have to watch it the title is self explanatory, it is called "Mean Girls". Secondly, internet bullying... Has anyone ever NOT been bullied on the internet?
I am not supporting what happened, but to everyone saying that the school should have done something about this... Do you expect schools to constantly monitor Facebook accounts? Should every person who gets into a flame war be tried for murder? If you believe that is the case then owning an XBox should be grounds for capital punishment.
There are 10-20 million attempted suicides every year. The world is a harsh place, do you think her colleges and/or her employers and colleagues would have been any less brutal?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:55:19 AMps, the little monsters may be the product of an environment. nonetheless they should be punished remorselessly. banish their demons, in a sense. bring discipline back to the schools.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:59:08 AMAt my school the retaliation would have been biblical. These known "suspects" would have been savagely beaten (probably multiple times) and shunned. I call for retaliation South Hadley High! Those "Mean Girls" are just people...people who bleed. The only way to beat bullying is to beat bullies. Anyone who senselessly and brutally bludgeons these "Mean Girls" near death is doing God's work. Amen.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:02:27 AMAnyone got docs on these girls?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:03:58 AMMy heart goes out to this girl, and to her family. But here most of you want vengeance. You want these girls to be punished, even to be hanged themselves. I don't think that's really a solution to anything. There is obviously a greater problem here, and to punish these girls is only treating the symptom of the societal disease. I take pity on the bullies as well. They're obviously feeling insane amounts of pressure as well. What they've done is obviously wrong, but there have to be other ways of dealing with this.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:06:24 AMI really think there should be more serious consequences in the judicial department and school for all this bullying. Send them to correctional facilities and/or to work f.x. cleaning bathrooms, something demeaning at least. Make them feel bullied, take away their phones.
It would be best if they would be sent to house prison-ment a year, hopefully longer.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:08:03 AMOne less insecure whiner. To everyone reading this: you're ugly, not popular, a slut, etc. Wow, doesn't that make you want to kill yourself? Someone dying is never happy, but people being pussies like this is a huge problem in America. People have to constantly worry about what pussy they're going to offend today. Get over yourselves and work on developing some conviction.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:15:42 AMThe parents, the parents are also to blame to raise such low-lives. Teenagers should be tried for manslaughter by their evil choices. They could not stand that Phoebe was a pretty and innocent and happy girl. No wonder the guy asked her out on a date she saw her beauty and simplicity and her innocence and those girls so evil they terrorized her because they were so hateful and jealous. They should be tried for manslaughter. I hope their names are published. I want to tell them what I think of them myself. I feel so sad for Phoebe the poor little mite. I was bullied by Irish Women here in NY emigrant section and they were evil miserably unhappy females full of jealousy and had to project it onto another female. Women in their 20, and 30 and 40's Bullying knows no age and I was and still am pretty and a happy person and that was the problem. I learnt NEVER cower to a bully and give them a dose of their own. Fight back with Double if it comes to it. Fight back tenfold and round up all the troops but NEVER cower to a bully. SOMETIMES ONE HAS TO FIGHT BACK. Tell parents, tell friends, tell lollipop man, tell anyone but open up and speak and talk and get amunition to fight back. But best thing is pick your friends of a gentle nature. I am so sad for this girl's suffering and I am so angry her little life cut off. If I had a daughter the first thing I would prepare her in life was to be aware of bullies and tools to protect her from bullies and tools to fight back and BEAT THE BULLIES. I am so sad and angry.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:25:36 AMoh
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:28:26 AMThis is because it's South Hadley. You go there and they are WONDERFUL people, but it's the upper-class area, so a lot of the kids are complete snobs that get anything and everything they want. They live in expensive, ridiculous houses, buy the nicest clothes, and get every little thing they want.
If I knew their names I'd go into that school and drag them out by their salon hair myself.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:34:45 AMOh my god...I can't wait to see these girls enter the real world and get their ass kicked.
And SUSPENDED!? If I were the principal, I would never let those girls enter my school again.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:39:16 AMWow..... this kind of thing never is easy to get used to. I live in Barbados where a 15 year old was killed by a car after his bullies chased him to his death. These boys had bullied the boy from since he was in Primary school which is like middle school for USA. His parents sent him to a private school to avoid it and it was is misfortune to pass for the same secondary school which is high school. They repeatedly beat him and his parents got no satisfaction from anyone. Not their parents, police or the principal. No one has ever been charged. What has society come to when being different or less in the limelight means death? It pains me to know that they forced this girl to give up her life because hers bothered them and i hope the little bastards rot in a jail somewhere.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:48:52 AMAs someone who went through similar experiences in high school I always think of my moto: Remember Columbine !
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:52:10 AMIf anyone was wondering the legal ramifications these Mean Girls could face, I am an attorney and can shed some light on the situation for you. In Massachusetts, "cyberbullying" falls under MGL c.265, s.43A: For Criminal Harassment. Basically, electronically-communicated threats are a crime in the same way that a face-to-face or written threat can generate a criminal charge. The fact is: willfully and maliciously directing electronic communications at a specific person that seriously alarm that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer emotional distress can result in criminal charges (punishable by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment) as well as generate a lawsuit seeking financial compensation. There is also talk of a bill that could effectively have these bullies charged with manslaughter in the second degree in certain instances (if passed). That said, I hope these Mean Girls get what's coming to them.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:04:36 AMThis is on Diggs Front Page
http://digg.com/tech_news/15_Year_Old_Girl_Commits_Suicide_After_Cyber_Bullying
the four bullies:
ashley longe
(413) 533-4441
shanon caron*
flannery mullins
kayla narey
200 Lathrop St
South Hadley, MA 01075
413-536-0870
* means not solidified by reputable** sources
**anon
that's all I have for now.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:11:23 AM@Tom
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:14:15 AMCan people "speak" their words onto a page?
That would be wonderful if they got charged with manslaughter. The less vicious people around like that, the better.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:20:17 AMThis is why i believe that society is doomed. When we have children acting this way to others and causing this much pain to someone that did not deserve it, how can we succeed when these teens are suppose to be the future. I think all school districts need to see the light and realize that education comes first, these dances and school social activities are not necessary and cause more trouble then they are worth.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:20:32 AMSHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL NOW SHES AN ANGEL
BUT THERES A GOD AND THOSE MEAN GRLS ARE GOING TO SUFFER IN LIFE FOR WHAT THEY DID TO THAT GRL.
REST IN PEACE
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:36:43 AMI hate to play into this English 101 crap given that the real story is about this poor girl and how she won't have any justice on this side of the veil, but sometimes you just have to wade into the mud and slap someone.
Nick said:
"Although I found the article to be informative, the writers--"
Writer's.
"--grammar and poor wording took me out of the story."
Took you out of it? Did you even read that before you hit the post button? This isn't a short story contest. This is REAL. Your willing suspension of disbelief doesn't enter into it, and it's not for your entertainment. This is a tragedy, not a story from The Onion.
"He used some weird analogies and most of the things he said seemed like the kind of thing a 12 year old would right."
12-year-old. Write.
Also, just for the sake of argument, if Pete IS off his game on this one (and I'm not saying he is), it's probably because he's as angry as most of the rest of the human beings who read about this. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this article. He's quite restrained considering how I would describe those harpies.
"This isn't meant in a mean way, just as a bit of constructive criticism..."
So is this, but I doubt you'll learn anything from it. Before you start throwing out critiques about other people and their writing skills, make damned sure you're deserving of that privilege.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:46:09 AMThat's a shame
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:47:37 AMHow's possible "good" young girls could commit that, ppl need to stablish valuea at home, 'cuz, what youth express, is the evident reflection of how're things going at home, how our parents & siblings are.
Poor girl, rest in peace, and I hope to her family to find serenity, peace and spiritual release.
Someone needs to start a cyber-bully "hall of shame" Web site. Every single time someone is found guilty of contributing to another person's ultimate demise through online bullying, that person's picture should be posted on the Web site. While it may seem trivial, appearing on such a Web site would most certainly have an appropriately negative and long lasting effect on the bullys' lives. And it will guarantee that the victims' lives were not lost in vain.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:49:22 AMOh Tom learn grammer in the context "hung" is correct. Here read a bit http://painintheenglish.com/?p=503
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:53:02 AMtoo bad we just dont kill them.... take one person out a day with a bomb to make the world a better place >_>
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:54:16 AMI think this whole Facebook crap needs to stop! The girl dies and you already have Facebook pages up and all this twitter garbage. Kids need a life nowadays... It's really sad how children hide behind these false virtual friendships and cannot express themselves correctly. It's very psycological and its still perpetuaded even more after her death! Get off that damn site already, texting and facebooking apparently is what got all this started, why keep it going?! so so sad... i feel for the generations to come...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:09:38 PMSuspension isn't shit but a vacation to these little dipshits. Expulsion would be more appropriate, I think.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:14:34 PMWe wont get justice, but the closest thing to it.
[anon > bitches]
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:20:11 PMnot_tom, a couple things my simple minded friend...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:22:30 PM"Hanged" is correct... it is not Hung. Things are hung, not people, no matter the context and that link you put there, WTF was that? that's the best reference you have for correct english, some moron's blog site?! We're in big trouble...
Oh and by the by... its "GRAMMAR" not "GRAMMER" Thought I'd throw that one out there too... have an amazing day :D
John said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
"What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional..."
You idiot. It is a blog my friend, not something printed in the new york times.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:31:40 PMWe have completely gotten off topic with this grammar stuff, but I wanted to add something.
To not_not_tom: While it is technically correct that a person is hanged and an object is hung, even scholars use the word hung in speech and hanged only in writing. I just wanted to give you a little quote that you might find amusing.
"The distinction between hanged and hung is not an especially useful one (although a few commentators claim otherwise). It is, however, a simple one and easy to remember. Therein lies its popularity. If you make a point of observing the distinction in your writing you will not thereby become a better writer, but you will spare yourself the annoyance of being corrected for having done something that is not wrong."
(Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, 1994)
See, the last sentence even states that you will be corrected for doing something that isn't technically wrong.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:34:39 PMAs far as the story goes, it appears that bullying has been part of this particular area for years. Why is it that people are just now speaking out? Has it never come to this extreme? Is that why no one has made a stink about it until now?
One less insecure whiner. To everyone reading this: you're ugly, not popular, a slut, etc. Wow, doesn't that make you want to kill yourself? Someone dying is never happy, but people being pussies like this is a huge problem in America. People have to constantly worry about what pussy they're going to offend today. Get over yourselves and work on developing some conviction.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:35:20 PMThat's good to know! Hey nothing matters anymore unless you're writing for the New York Times...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:39:13 PMLOL, OMG, LMAO, ROTFL and all that "good writing" just because its a "blog" ... I suddenly feel nauseous.
Suspension??? How about Prison time. I hold every girl and there parents that bullied her responsible for that suicide!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:49:41 PMI completely disagree about this happening only in a Public School. I was bullied out of a very expensive private highschool. My parents met repeatedly with the Principle and teachers, however nothing stopped the daily insults and beatings. Any school in any country can be horrible for one student and great for another. Bullies pic and choose who thier victim will be and then target them incessantly. I finished my highschool years in Public school and never had any further issues.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:52:07 PMThat's an easy problem to solve... Just have those slut bullying girls get raped and killed. Someone on the east coast find those girls and give them what they deserve!!!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:52:41 PMWhat are those bullying girls' name and where do they live. If someone knows, put their names and addresses on youtube and what let all the rapists know... That will be one great orgy for those bullying girls.
Funny for me, my father let my brothers and I learn martial arts when we grew up. He didn't want us to be bullied like he was, so we were always to encourage to fight at a young age. We soon became the ones that "beat up" the bullies, but still were nice to everyone else. Martial Arts taught us toughness, but also kindness and respect. We joined the Marine Corps after after high school and are now college students, if anyone wanted to know.
Well, there is always the option of kidnapping, torturing, and killing all the preppy popular girls, since they are weak and no nothing of weaponry or hand to hand combat, Darwinism will take care of the guilty girls, when they meet someone who bullies them harder. If someone punched me at school for speaking the truth, i would slice those bitches throats, and im not the only one.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 12:57:18 PMRead this book...Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls by Rachel Simmons. It sheds light into the topic of girls' hostility and bullying. Girls bully psychologically while boys just use physical violence...I was bullied all thru jr high and high school...there were times where I thought about suicide...the thing is when you tell your principal, teachers...it makes it worse. the only thing you can do is stand up to them...I never did. If I could go back I would completely kick ass! Girls are very catty creatures....
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:00:46 PMThose bullies shouldn't be allowed to just die. They should get raped, get their limbs cut off one by one while they're given life support so they don't die and feel every minute of pain, then thrown in the ocean with sharks with nerve enhancing drugs to make them feel more pain than they should. Then they should get rescued and hung alive on poles and kept alive 'til they die of old age while someone pisses and throws shit at them every day. That's justice.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:02:48 PMSomebody needs to do something about bullying because it's clearly gotten out of hand and people are dying because of it.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:07:47 PMHey Tom...try to remember the big picture here...a girl lost her life because of the way she was being treated by shitty people...I think you can let the grammar police slide for a day!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:29:35 PMThats so sad that her parents wanted her to experience America and this is what she recieved. Bullying should be punished no doubt, but cyber bullying leaves a paper trail and should not go without being punished.
It both amuses me and outrages me that "Two students have already been suspended, and more could be on their way to discipline." They say it as if suspension is a hard punishment for pushing someone so close to the edge that they kill themselves.
I do see why some people are blaming the parents of these girls, but honestly once they are in high school it isn't just the parents fault. They are old enough now to make decisions for themselves and know right from wrong, reguardless what they are taught. The girls are just as much to blame for being heartless self absorbed bitches.
Rest in peace Pheobe Price, I wish you would have had a better experience in America and I'm sorry on behalf of our country. You didn't deserve this.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:33:51 PMAnd people still wonder why Columbine happened.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:35:24 PMI am seriously thinking there is something parents can do, even if as a group we picket the school, with signs of peace love, tolerance, keep the awareness there.. what happened to zero tolerance, my heart aches, my soul aches, for these people....
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:35:34 PMI wish there would be some contacts of these girls. there would certainly be people who would be able to show them in practice how much it could hurt to be empty cruel brainless creatures and how one time soon it hits them back.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:36:53 PMHey Tom a.k.a. Mr. English, turd:
I'm hung unlike any other. If you were female, I'd show ya.
Why didn't this girl "unfriend" or "ignore" these people from her facebook, etc.?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:38:40 PMKids are getting disgusting. I'm 22 and put up with a lot of bullying in m highschool days and found a lot of them to be almost intolerable. If it wasn't for the few friends I did have and the common sense I had not to want to hurt myself I probably wouldnt have made it. It scares me because I have three little sisters no more than the age of 12 that will be entering the high school scene soon enough. You can blame a lot of bad parenting. I was brought up to respect everyone even if they aren't the same or as privileged. So sad...
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:39:50 PM@Tom -
FUCK YOU for being a grammar Nazi in this thread - it's a wholly inappropriate place to pump up your little ego - a young girl just hanged herself, you callous prick. Oh, and by the way, it's English, not english. That's what happens when you act like an asshole - more often than not, you end up looking like one yourself.
Tom said:
Quote: "It came from one of Phoebe's sisters. When cops arrived, they found that the freshman student had hung herself. Two days before the big dance."
A person cannot be "hung", a person is "hanged". Please speak english properly.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:43:28 PMYou wonder what kind of parent raises monsters like these girls? Entitled cheerleader jock twats just like their own kids. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. I always wondered why, when I travel to Massachusetts, that I'd be directed to Hadley when I'd be looking for prostitutes dressed as high school cheerleaders.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:50:47 PMi really do think that parent should be able to spank there kids if they are being bad when they little but not abused them cuz aleast in the 70 and 80s the kid grow up fine but now we cant spank or hit them i think that now a days the kids are mean, ruthless, and cruel the kids think that they can get away with anything now but back then the kids know that if they did something wrong they would get hit or spank and the kids has any respect for a the adults anymore they are all SPOILED i think
Posted 01/28/2010 at 01:56:17 PMAuthorities should get access to Phoebe's cell phone and facebook page, gather all the names of these vicious little bitches and round 'em up in a 3-part punishment cycle.
#1. Suspend all of them indefinitely. While on suspension from school make them all stand for 8 hours in the most public of places with sign boards around their necks saying "We're responsible for Phoebe's suicide" in big bold letters. This should go on for weeks so that everyone everywhere knows them for what they did. You want to verbally harass and assault someone so harshly that they take their own life? You should be subjected to the same treatment.
#2. Charge all of them with some sort of manslaughter, defamation of character, and various other charges.
#3. Lock all of them up in a juvenile detention center for as long as it takes for them to learn that society should (in some cases, has) a zero tolerance policy on this kinda bullshit.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:02:07 PMfor young mean kids...
The gates of hell lie waiting as you see
There's no price to pay just follow me
I can take your lost soul from the grave
Jesus knows your soul can not be saved
-Hell Awaits, Slayer(Hanneman, king) 1985
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:07:51 PMSo I know kids can be very very cruel sometimes but killing yourself over such bullying is weird, I just think maybe it wasn't the only reason. Or if it was, the girl should have spoken to her parents about it or the principal you just can't resolve problems by killing yourself it's never the answer.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:07:56 PMI wish there would be some contacts of these girls. there would certainly be people who would be able to show them in practice how much it could hurt to be empty cruel brainless creatures and how one time soon it hits them back.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:14:15 PMI have to disagree with that. Kids don't think like adults. They are very ego-centric and think that everything revolves around them and that they cause a lot more things than they actually do. Suicide is the 3rd leading cause of death among teens and it's this drive to fit in and conform that causes kids who feel like outcasts to do this. You are just re-blaming the victim for what was done to her. Mostly, the parents are to blame for whatever they did to raise such human garbage. I went to school with all spoiled doctor's kids and although some did things like hit toddlers on big wheels and then leave the scene b/c they did not want to get in trouble (the kid was OK) none of them were this bad. The parents & kids must surely be the lowest rung of our society.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:20:55 PMThis story is so sad. These horrible girls probably watch The Hills and think that is how normal people act. Even here in Ireland some kids watch these types of TV shows that market the 'mean girl' type as being the 'elite' of society.
The bitchy personalities of the characters definitely rubs off on teenagers.
I just hope something happens to the girls that will make them look back and realise what a horrible thing they have done.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:34:40 PMAll you people who are blaming the victim, please try to raise your thinking above the level of a pack animal, like a dog. Maybe if you try, you could get to the level a cat is on? Probably in your lifetime, you will never achieve human thinking, but we will all pray for you.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:41:36 PMIm from Clare and although i wasnt exactly friends with Phoebe as i was 4 years ahead of her in school i know her mother, and best friend. And i personally feel that her bullies being suspended is a bit of a joke!!They should be punished further!!When i first heard about Phoebe's death clearly i was upset firstly because i knew her mother and how lovely she was andi felt so bad for the pain she was going through, secondly because i know her best friend and phoebe and Cliodhna (her best friend) we're like partners in crime you wold never see one without the other when Poebe was living in Clare so clearly i was going to be upset plus it was so terrible why she took her own life!And i said to my boyfriend i hope her bullies pay for what they did to her and he said no they'll hae to live wth it forever that they were so horrible to her that she did that but then i read that there bragging they lied to the police about bullying her and badmouthing her on her rememberence page on facebook and in the school she attended over there, but clearly they arent paying!!They must be proper bitches and they should pay and not just be suspended!!I ope they never have to feel the pain that Phoebes mother, father, siblings and friends are feeling!!!Phoebe wil never be forgotten maybe by the cold hearted bullies but not by the people wh loved her and knew how nice she was!!!! Please pray for Phoebe her family, friends and best friend Cliodhna xxx
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:42:46 PMSERIOUSLY????? All this talk about getting the girls that did this and then how horrible the parents are and the cycle continues- YOU ARE CONTINUING THE CYCLE!!!!! They were bullies so now you bully them- thats the way to handle this? The whole story needs to come out from the official investigation. Students have also said that this poor soul has tried to kill herself before and is under psychiatric care. THese girls might have been the finial strw but they didn't do all the damage. I pray the Lord is with Phoebe's family but I also pray more young lives don't need to be lost over this horrible loss! To the sick people that wish the bullies would "get raped and get their limbes ripped off" really????? More death and and tourture and the girls are the bad people????? LOOK IN THE MIRROR! WHO ARE THE BULLIES NOW?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 02:56:55 PMConcerned,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:05:15 PMYou mention that she was under psychiatric care? Would you mind sharing that information, where you found it? B/C they have just realized what a terrible problem they have in Ireland with the suicides and homicides rising out of the over use of anti-depressants. Ireland is where a story came out of where a senior citizen was being pre-scribed them and attacked and bit his doctor (like a dog) numerous times. When a psychiatrist tried to point out the ill-effects of anti-depressants, he was then bullied by the medical community. When people are given anti-depressants, especially kids, it blocks a persons ability to handle conflict, making them very complacent, and may have given her no choice in her mind. How very sad, if this was the case, how our society will victimize it's own children in this way when we have all the information so that we should know better.
Actually, I looked up their school handbook and the Minimum action taken for bullying and threats is parent/principle conference, police involvment, after school education programs & suspension. So they will not jsut receive suspension, they will have to go to after school education so they will probably be dropped from whatever activities they are in like cheerleading, etc. Hopefully the school will get involved and straighten them out since their parents didn't do their jobs.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:23:17 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder
Has a precedent for being charged when a defendant willingly and callously drives a victim to suicide.
Murder 2 for such a quintessential waste of genetic material.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:31:10 PMI used to have an overbite, quite a huge one... I do not wish that f...ing nightmare that I had been going through because of my teeth for almost a decade. Children, teens, even adults used to make fun of me cruelly, cold-heartedly, laughingly, without the slightest trace of mercy because of my teeth. I am 28 and I am wearing braces for the 3rd time in my life I am still so scarred because of those years. My teeth are perfect now straight and beautiful, but I am still wearing metal braces for the 6th year in my life altogether, I should have had them removed in 6 months but I dare not, I'm afraid that they would go back to where they were. Whenever I think of the things people told me I still get the blisters and I feel humiliated. I have burned ALL my pictures taken of me before, because of my teeth. I am never going to get over how primitive, cruel and merciless these so called human beings are. I almost hung myself a few times, too. We are already Armageddon-positive, someone should wipe this whole ....ing garbage off the Earth's surface. Cheers from Hungary
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:36:02 PMNOT ALL athletes and cheerleaders are the same. There are good and bad people from any group. Just take a look around!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:36:06 PMim just as old as these girls, and i live in the center of america, i was bullied so much im now homeschooled. hearing about this kinda makes me feel like i couldve sucked it up, because it was NOTHING like that poor girl went through.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:43:16 PMMatt - it might be considered cruel and unusual punishment, but I honestly think that your #1 would definitely teach them a lesson that would be well deserved and necessary.
Matt's #1 said -
Posted 01/28/2010 at 03:50:46 PM#1. Suspend all of them indefinitely. While on suspension from school make them all stand for 8 hours in the most public of places with sign boards around their necks saying "We're responsible for Phoebe's suicide" in big bold letters. This should go on for weeks so that everyone everywhere knows them for what they did. You want to verbally harass and assault someone so harshly that they take their own life? You should be subjected to the same treatment.
Rocki, the Concerned that commented above was not me, just in case you are wondering. I am the one that was debating with you about Alyssa and her anti-depressants. From now on, since at least two people are using the same name, I'm changing mine so as not to confuse others.
I really think that suspension is the least that these girls need as far as punishment. To hear stories like Judy and Liz, it helps us understand that even though we may feel the need to make fun of people, sometimes, it just becomes too much for that person to handle. To all the people that think they should just suck it up and move on, I can say that you probably were not the object of this kind of recurring verbal abuse from not just people you know, but complete strangers as well. Wake up and realize that how people treat you does affect your self esteem. If it doesn't, then you are ignorant or blind to what people say and do.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:08:12 PMMon dieu!
Je viens de lire vore artcl et c'est smplement HORRIBLE.
Je suis françaiseet j'ahbite à Paris.
Dans nos lycée et école, les chosessont totalement différentes!
Cetains éléèves sont plus populaires que d'autres mais il n'existe pas de telles présion qui pousserait au suicide, même dans les quartiers sensibles.
Est ce comme cela dans toutes les écoles d'Amérique?
Des élèves se font frapper, insulter juste par ce qu'ils ne sont pas cool??
J'espère que non!!!
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My god!
I have just read your article and it is simply HORRIBLE.
I am French and I live in Paris.
In our high schools and schools, things are totally different!
Some pupils are more popular than the others it's true, but there is no such présions which(who) would grow to the suicide, even in the dangerous districts. It is crazy!
I wanted to say good courage to all these pupils who are victims of this kind of thing, and that the suicide is not a solution...
Is it as it in all the schools of America?
Pupils are struck, offended just by what they are not cool??
I hope that not!!!
Sorry if my English is bad.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:40:42 PMI think the perpetrators should be locked up until they turn 25. They can finish their education in lock-up, and then do some extra time just so they can think about their bad behavior. God forbid these girls get into college with any other kids, who knows what kind of damage they could do. The parents should receive a HUGE fine-at lease six figures- no exception because they were bad parents who didn't teach their children the responsiblity of internet and cell phone usage AND they didn't check-up on their children to see what they were doing. BAD PARENTS!!! What is wrong with these people?
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:44:38 PMThis is sick,the poor girl.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:45:42 PMMy thoughts go out to her and her family and friends,may she rest in peace.
jeez , id love to know those girls names and give them a piece of my mind, that is jst toally horrific . i feel terrible , ad i hope this poor sweet girl rests in peace :\
Posted 01/28/2010 at 04:53:04 PMAll bulliers should be found and killed. It's time to make YOU afraid for once. The bullying i experience my entire life in school for being the foreign weird guy made me despise being in school, had me crying myself to sleep every single night, made me not kiss a girl until college, stunted my growth to a towering 5'7 (which has its own hell in adulthood), and generally turned my life and my parents life into one, long, torturous ordeal. Kids who bully other kids should be found and scarred for life. Make THEM fear for the lives. Make THEM hate themselves. Show THEM what it feels like to hate waking up in the morning.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:01:14 PMIn my opion I think those girls should get tried as adults for the murder of Pheobe, and sent to prison so they can see what it is like to be bullied, and why they are in there, they can get raped by the other bigger bad asses, like they think they are, let them see what it is like to be made to do something they don't want to do, like lick pussy, and see how fast they want to hang themselves....FOR ALL THE BULLIES OUT THERE, you guys sure don't have LOVE at home and must be miserable with yourselves and nothing going for you in life, so thats why you bully, but I do have a few words for you guys " YOU FUCKING LOSERS"
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:04:29 PMI actually go to South Hadley High School. We’re being hounded by the media currently, with news stations becoming a common sight to see outside our school. I’d just like to clear something up… Phoebe was NOT cyber bullied. She was primarily bullied in the typical girl way: she was called names, taunted, teased, and humiliated. She was called a slut. Someone threw an energy drink can at her. She wasn’t even on Facebook at all, anywhere, until after the night of January 14th, when support pages started being made in her honor. That is where the harassment via Facebook started, but it wasn’t SHHS students- it was anonymous users on “fake” accounts from terrible people all over the world. Yes, we have a “bullying problem”, but anywhere you go, there are girls and there is drama. This is just all getting so out of hand, and the media has gotten so many things wrong.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:21:31 PMSeriously. Kill yourself over some girls? In my opinion, if your getting bullied and you kill yourself means that your a wimp and you could never stand up aganst the people who were bullying you. Take a stand aganst them. Tell the police do something. There's no need to do suicide. People need to get that in their heads.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 05:34:27 PMif i had a child and they came home abused i wouldn't complain to the school i would go and bully the other kid back myself
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:03:52 PMRip Phoebe. I cried when i read this story. I actually live in Ireland, and i can imagine she thought America would be the dream. Girls can be so cruel, and they need to be punished. Suspension is barely punishment, they will probably enjoy it. I hope when they grow up, their minds are haunted by what they have done, and maybe one day they will see how their behavior caused a beautiful girl to take her own life. I seriously wish they would feel remorse, it seems so strange to me that any human could do this and still not feel anything.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:33:03 PMnina,
Le gouvernement d'America est quelque chose du terrible. Le gens c'est tres pauvre au cause du gouvernement. Une grande nombre de toxiecomanie. Le gouvernement gagner de l'argent por soi-meme. Gens se passer d'assurance maladie. Gens etre babare parce q'ils seulement interessor l'argent. Je suis desole, mon francais n'est pas le mielleur.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:44:27 PMNo,Christy Lynne, Shame on All of you!
Posted 01/28/2010 at 06:44:54 PMyour side of the story does not make sense and if it does not make sense it's not true. The facts of the story speak for it's self. These nasty jealous witches (put a B at the beginning of witch) made this little girls life miserable. Are you one of the witches that harassed her? Her death is blown out of proportion, no facebook harrassment? Sure it was. You, your School, your parents, Everyone in your community should take responsibility for Phoebe's death and be ashamed of yourselves!
Everyone that sent her ignorant messages over Facebook and any ignorant text messages should be expelled from that school district. There should be NO tolerance when it comes to bullying. They know who sent the messages so they should hold them responsible for their actions. Expelled and then prosecute them for involuntary manslaughter then sue the parents. That is the only way they all will learn is if it ruins their future and cost the parents, maybe then bullying will be taken more seriously.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:17:26 PMChristy, or anyone that actually knows whats going on at SHHS,
Is it true that the girls at your school continue to talk dirt even after Phoebe commited suicide? You said that the online part actually came from fake accounts around the world, but are the girls who actually bullied her at school actually unremorseful and still speak negatively of Phoebe??? It is hard for me to imagine that is so. How could they bully someone into taking their life, and not realize they hurt someone so badly that they took their life and seriously need to make a U turn???
Either way, these girls need to be taken out of school and be legally binded to do 18 hours of community service every single day for the rest of their lives. For what they have done.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 07:22:39 PMThese girls and boys like them will make terrible coworkers, bosses, customers and politicians. They will make life a living hell.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:15:44 PMThe school administrators and teachers are practicing zero tolerance and are so PC (political coward). Zero tolerance is being cruel the meek and kind to the bullies. For example suspend a person bringing an aspirin to school even if they suffer migraines and giving many chances to someone with hard drugs, because they might sue or get even with you.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:20:14 PMDiggs,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:25:11 PM(I am not knocking your information) but of the 2 I was able to see on facebook, if they are the right people, they are pretty doggish for chearleaders (the one you can't see her face.)
This just goes to show how stupid we are in America. I normal respectable family moves here, LEGALLY, works, pays taxes, sends there kids to school, doesn't commit crimes and we treat her like this. On the other hand, we bow down like pussies to all the illegals in this country.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 09:40:35 PMChristy Lynne or anyone else from South Hadley H.S. who knows,
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:18:02 PMThis is just such a sad story. Please tell us more about Phoebe. From what little description there's been about her, and her beautiful smile, seems we lost a great kid. And what's the deal with Ashley, Flannery, Shannon and Kayla? Can they possibly be so rotten to the core? Or do they actually have some shred of decency? Have they shown any remorse? Have any of them taken on some public responsibility? And what about the parents -- will none of them express a basic apology or sense of regret to Phoebe's family? It's very hard to make sense of all this.
Hey Christie Lynne,
Since, as you say, 'the media has gotten so many things wrong', and as evidence you say Phoebe was not 'cyberbullied', this might help you understand where the media is getting its story:
Superintendent Gus Sayer was quoted as saying: "“Apparently the young woman had been subjected to taunting from her classmates, mostly through the Facebook and text messages, but also in person on at least a couple of occasions.’’
Now, reading this and other quotes of Sayer's, I've already suspected him to be a blowhard. But you should realize these claims are not being fabricated by the media. Rather they are coming out of the mouths of the adults who, as far as I'm concerned, had a fiduciary duty to protect Phoebe and every other student in the school.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 10:32:44 PMHey, Christy Lynne,you're full of crap. Your name links us to your Facebook page, where we can see that you are friends with Kayla Narey, one of the harassers. Nice cover up.
Posted 01/28/2010 at 11:04:22 PMI agree the parents of these girls that tourmented phoebe should punish their children to the extent. They tourmented someone who was new and that poor girl delt with it the only way she knew how to. She dated my cousins Best friend when she moved here. I think those girls should pay for what they did and know for the rest of their lives that they caused someone to take their own life. Her life was too short and she shouldnt have had to deal with what she went through. When I was in middle school I was bullied and picked on because I was different than everyone else. I personally know what its like to go through what she went through.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:17:53 AMTell me please? Why do these girls still have Facebook accounts? If their parents were told about their conduct (as indicated by the Principal) including texting and on Facebook, WHY HAVE THE PARENTS NOT MADE THEM DELETE THEIR FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS?? I think that partly explains the parenting that led to making of monsters.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:29:07 AMHonestly, how can anyone find the true cause to what happens in our high schools other than the fact that our media sets an example on how to treat others base on social status, economic class, race, sexual orientation, etc. We are no longer being taught to our fellow human beings with respect, we are being shown instead how to humiliate one another in the most degrading fashion possible while our educators fail to control what happens in and outside their classrooms, due to how angry and dysfunctional our youth have become. Facebook is not to blame, it's our broken educational system and our lack of self-consciousness as a North American anglo society that has led us to these social issues, and until we have a government who realises the importance of an egalitarian education at the pre-k level, not just at the primary, this will never be fixed.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 01:36:36 AMdear Christy Lynne
sit tight, we're coming for you. there are enough of us in western MA, lets see if u can take what u dish
Love,
Posted 01/29/2010 at 02:24:26 AMthe internet hate machine
whenwillwerealize,
I respect you opinion. I look at this sad story differently. Your right, the School should have had more control in their classrooms. What happens outside of the classrooms falls back on the parents, not the schools. The schools are not babysitters. If parents had instilled values, honesty, respect in these kids this would not be going on in the school. I do not see how the government needs to recognize egalitarian education. Social status, economic class is the way of the world( we started with kings). There are the rich, working class and the poor. The government knows that. The amount of a persons income should not make a difference on how a child is treated in school. I would rather the parents and the teachers take back our Schools. Rules that apply to everyone. NO EXCEPTIONS. Cheerleader, Football Player, Computer Kids, The Shy Kids, Rich, Poor, no discrimination all kids treated equal. If my child was being harassed by other students like Phoebe was, drinks thrown on her, calling her filthy names, getting in her face at school. As a parent they should have gone to the school. If the next day the crap did not stop, my child and I would be at the police station filing charges against these girls. After we were done with the police, we would be at an attorney's office.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 02:39:10 AMAnother perfect example of how kids who play sports learn to be "good sports", learn how to pull up the weakest link since the "team" is only as good as. This is why I do not allow my children to participate in school sports, we prefer family activities. We all have seen it, the bad attitude, the arrogance, the mistaken ideal that somehow they're superior because they belong to a "gang"..yes I said gang, the mentality is the same, the attitude is the same, the only difference is this type of gang is condoned by society.... pretty sad indeed. Shame on those girls AND their parents for raising such horrible human beings.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 09:59:19 AMThanks Patriot for info on Massachusetts' criminal harrassment law. Let us hope the local police are not in league with the school administrators. As for the self-proclaimed "therapist" and others who have blamed the victim in garbage messages above - they read like family members or pals of the perpetrators. The school administrator who released a statement saying Prince was "complicated" - besides being "charming" - is already trying to cover his ass for a future lawsuit. When kids gang up on one kid - it is NOT the one kid's fault.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:06:00 AMWriting from Dublin, Ireland.
Have to say that your attitudes all amaze me.
Most of you have blamed everything from antidepressants, schools, parenting, sports.
Frankly, from a European point of view, school bullying is seen as endemic in America. The whole esteem of being in a school sports team is pathetic.
For girls to be popular because of looks is the shallowness and tunnellvisioned narrow-mindedness that Americans are famed for.
It's the whole culture that's to blame IMO. From the teachers that ignored it, the parents that allowed their offspring to behave in that manner, the schoolchildren that condoned it, EVERYONE is to blame.
The ACCEPTANCE of that culture is DISGUSTING.
In Ireland, sports are a way of teambuilding, not gang building, to help the weakest and help them build confidence.
No school in Ireland would tolerate the bullying that goes on in that school and seems to be American wide.
Parents and teachers are much more involved in schooling and homelife, the bullying would have been stopped before this tragic death occured.
Rant Over.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:17:59 AMI am appalled. However it is not only what these hateful girls did that drove another young girl to end her life that bothers me. Many of you are furious, with good reason but most of you are acting no better than those vicious girls. Who among us wasn't bullied? I'm 31 and STILL get bullied, by other adults (some people do not grow out of their negative behaviors). Just as some of you are doing to other posters on here. Some of you are calling other people hateful names, others are trying to form a lynch mob by asking that the girls involved in this tragic case be posted to "give them a piece of your minds". How is that any different from what those girls have done to this poor young girl? You are all adults but are ready to go after these girls, one even claims if their child were to be bullied they would not go to the school for help, they would bully the bullies. These are not the right ways to handle this type of situation.
Whether you all know this or not most states have Zero Tolerance Bullying policies. If you DO want to make a real difference for other children who are suffering from bullying then please by all means contact your schools. All it will take is concerned, mature parents asking a simple question about how their school systems deal with bullying issue. Should your child's school system NOT have this policy then take action to have one implemented immediately. As a parent you have the right to attend school board meetings and push for changes to be made to make your child and ALL children feel safer and happier while getting their education. This by far is a better and healthier alternative than becoming the very thing all of you claim to be against.
I hope you all read this and take it to heart. I do not mean it in an unkind way, however, there is a fine line between right and wrong and I am concerned that should you all not go about it in a responsible way some of you might be the ones facing legal consequences. Should any of you attack, even verbally, these girls what kind of example are you setting for your children? What will your kids go through when you're locked away? As has been pointed out children can be cruel, imagine the tormenting they would get because mommy or daddy decided to purposely bully teenage girls for being just that, bullies.
Time to set a positive example and become part of the solution. Please do not add to the problem.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:44:41 AMTo those who are posting their names asking for revenge (Yes that is what you are seeking), you are no better then these bullies. Are you hoping to push them to the point where thy become the next headline? No, they need to be punished so that they become an example for others as what will happen if they follow the same path. I liked the idea of suspending their social media access personally. Though they would end up borrowing their friends equipment to keep posting messages and such, so it's a bit shaky.
At that point they are also getting their friends in trouble if they continue with their harassment, but if their friend is stupid enough to give them access after they are accused and punished, then they deserve to be punished as well as accomplices.
The problem is, as many have said, the parents. Those who are 'too busy' to teach their children the difference between right and wrong. Usually they are the ones that did the bullying and believe that the strong or rich should rule over the weak and poor. It isn't just their fault though. No, it also goes with the dehumanization of people from the media. With fights, war and crime rampant around the globe, news outlets only gather the most noteworthy stories and announce them. There are countless other stories out there that don't get heard because they don't seem to involve the general populace.
Sure, they are limited in time slots and such, but people need to realize that this isn't a localize event. Just the simple fact that these girls posted on a memorial page with no remorse is enough to show that a human life is starting to mean less then nothing in many peoples' eyes. Maybe once we kill enough of each other we'll realize our value once more. Though I fear by that point it will be too late.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:06:43 PMI'm sick of seeing all the heartless douche-nozzles on here talking about what a weak girl she must have been to kill herself over something like this. Teenage girls attempt suicide more than any other age group. There's a lot of emotional turmoil at that age and it doesn't take much to push someone over the edge when they're already in an emotional state 99% of the time. I can't even imagine what this poor girl went through. To be in a new country, a new school and try her hardest to make friends, date boys, and this is the treatment she gets? I don't know what's up with the Massachusetts kids, but at my high school in Florida, these girls would get the shit kicked out of them.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:24:40 PMUnfortunately, the law protects bullies as well. Doesn't anyone remember that story about the father who chased these girls who were relentlessly bullying his daughter? Finally, they toilet-papered his front yard, which actually is a crime, it's called littering, vandalism, & tresspassing. He chased after them in his car. The fool who was driving sped up to 70-90 MPH and he continued to chase them. The driver lost control & crashed and all died but the driver. The father's car actually never crashed or made contact with the other car. They actually sent this man to jail. He is guilty of nothing. I don't even think the driver got charged (I think it was in Michigan, go figure, MI is ass-backwards)
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:26:21 PMThe actually showed him on TV in court crying. He felt really bad about it. But the teen-age driver, when interviewed at home b/c she did not receive any charges, was smiling and laughing and talking about her operations. He has no reason to feel bad. She, on the other hand has no idea how bad she should feel. She killed her friends, not him.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:33:36 PMI'm disgusted that people are actually posting that they want these girls raped. How are these people any better than the girls who bullied this poor girl? How can you even wish something like that on anyone? Yes what they did was wrong and they do need to face some type of punishment. But NO ONE deserves to be raped. Ever. I hope those posters don't have children and if they do they should stop and imagine for a moment what if something that horrible were to happen to them? Would it still be deserved? You all are far worse than anything these girls could ever be to even think that type of thing.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 12:38:33 PMI think we need a good old fashioned public square stoning of the wicked little bitches to get them out of the way of the important issues. We should be putting the emphasis on helping our more sensitive children learn a healthy way to react.
You can't learn that when you are under torment so obviously the external hell has to end before a kid can sort out their internal hell. Supporting kids in learning to deflect will give them the skills they need to deal with grown up bullies they will continue to encounter for the rest of their lives.
Grown up bullies might not hit you or throw things at you because that is prosecutable, so they let their evil out in grown up ways that do even more damage.
And you can fix "mean" in a person. Even if you could, would they deserve to be fixed? They are simply a bad seed that should be isolated from the rest of us because their presence in any segment of society will primarily be destructive.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 01:06:24 PMthose little PRICKS that made that beautiful girl do this shud die a horrible slow torturing DEATH!! i'd do it myself!!
obnoxsious little fuckheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well all i can do is hope they die!
isnt the reason they did this cuz they wer jealous that she was going out with someone??? jeez just cuz the ugly fuckers can never get someone !! assshoollesss
R.I.P Phoebe
Posted 01/29/2010 at 01:33:55 PMPhoebe didn't deserve what she got. Those girls should be charged with stalking and co-conspiriters to Phoebe's death. She was ONLY 15! She could have led a good life untill those girls ruined it. They should be expelled and never get into college!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 02:12:15 PMThis is such a sad terrible story! Young girls can be the most vile, awful creatures you ever encounter. Sure, the movies like Mean Girls and Heathers make it all seem like something to laugh about. But when you experience it in person its a different matter! Luckily I was always a bigger, taller girl (with guy cousins who my one other girl cousin and I hung out with) and I didn't think anyone should be pushed around. So I recall instances of having to defend friends from groups of other girls and guys shouting mean things at them, or pushing them around. It made my cousin and I a target as well and I remember being scared on our bikes in a rather prosperous neighborhood as groups of white guys shouted "no ni***ers" at us in the streets! If not for our guy cousins who knows what would have happened to us?! Its terrifying, humiliating, and when you combine it with being new to the country, this Irish girl deserves justice! Those girls should be punished severely - for aggravated assault and stalking at least!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 04:53:28 PMThis is depressingly sad, especially for her friends, family, and her boyfriend! RIP Phoebe, you will be in our hearts forever!
And, suspension is ABSOLUTELY not acceptable for this case. They should be expelled. If you cause a girl to hang herself, there should be much more severe consiquences.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:11:37 PMThis shows remorse? I have read on FB boards that screen shots exist of the below taken from an alleged bullies FB account and they were taken down but that it is also just a matter of time before they get leaked on the net.
"I'm sorry I drove a mentally unstable girl to suicide"
"If you kill yourself because of bullying then you're a massive FAIL".
Seriously, there is something way more wrong with this teen than the one who killed herself. Phoebe apparently was able to feel pain, this girl who posted this after she bullied her is obviously void of empathy or feelings for others.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:30:39 PMWhat is really sad is all but one of the 6 girls still have FB pages and are adding Friends still. Why have the parents not shut of their access to the Internet yet?
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:51:23 PMThis is absolutely infuriating!!
When will the parents of today's kids step up to the plate and take charge of their brats. My daughter was taunted for over a year by girls just like these and fortunately she was comfortable enough to talk to me about it. After lots of tears and frustration, she changed schools...which was not an easy thing to accomplish going into her junior year. Happily she is now finishing her senior year surrounded with wonderful new friends and a much tamer high school environment.
So many parents are so oblivious to what their kids are up to and the behavior they project around their peers. The hateful words and actions of some teens are at an all time high and though granted bullying has been around for centuries, kids use to be able to go home and find a safe haven. Now with cellphones and the internet, their exposed to their peers 24/7.
It's a sad place for many teens!!
My heartfelt condolences to the family of this beautiful young girl who will never have the benefit of watching their child grow into a young adult, a mom, a career woman. It's incredibly sad......these girls need a huge punishment and awakening!!
Relieved and saddened in California!!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 05:55:26 PMyea another weak willed kid takes what they though was the easy way out.
this indeed is a very sad thing for someone young to kill themselves like this,like the teenage boy who jumped into the east river in manhattan for the same reason.
this is fucking stupid.when i was a kid we fought bullies back but these days kids are afraid to fight or even tell someone because it could end worse.what i say is parents need to take more interest in thier kids and re-enstate the old fashion ass whoopens
kids these days need to stop being so afraid and start talking to someone about this issue and at the same time to all the non popular kids who are getting teased,just remember this...your going to do better than that NOW popluar kid when you get older and look at it like this,if someone is teasing you its because they are hating on ya and everyone great needs a hater.this is comming from a geeky kid who is now awsome
Posted 01/29/2010 at 06:18:53 PMAnd strangely, there are people who wonder why school shootings happen. It's THIS kind of thing that leads to teenagers (who's brains have not yet fully developed, ESPECIALLY the parts that control impulse actions) bring guns to school or kill themselves.
Were I the one in charge of these little terrors' punishment, the first thing I would have done would have been to cancel the dance. Letting it go on was just tacky.
Next would have been revocation of all their privileges, be it off campus lunch, sports, cheerleading, or even being allowed to attend any school function. And God help them if they wanted to go to collage, because this WOULD be noted in their transcripts and sent along.
I would then recommend to the parents of the dead girl that they sue the families of her abusers.
Of course, I'm not in charge. I don't even know what kind of constraints the principal of their school is laboring under. All I can really do is express my sympathy for a family that has just lost their child, and hope there is some kind of justice in the universe.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 07:47:10 PMThe Bullies: Ashley Longe (413-533-4441), Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins, Kayla Narey(200 Lathrop St, South Hadley, MA 01075, 413-536-0870). Copy and spread! Go for it!
Posted 01/29/2010 at 08:04:09 PM@Justice and the others posting these girls names and phone numbers:
This isn't justice. This is just asking for trouble. What happens if some complete psycho decides to take matters into their own hands and goes after these girls physically? What if someone tries to kill them?
Lets all pretend to be rational people for a few moments. Killing these girls won't fix anything, and worse yet, someone may latch on to a story of Internet Psycho murdering Teenage Girls.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 08:10:15 PMYou know, the avalanche has already started. Getting a page on the Partyvan Wiki generally means you're pretty much screwed. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of gals, eh? For info and docs on these creeps, Partyvan is the best source.
http://partyvan.info/wiki/Mean_Girls
Posted 01/29/2010 at 08:20:13 PMUsually, I'm actually not one to be sympathetic.
Posted 01/29/2010 at 10:47:10 PMWhen I first heard this story, in minimum detail, I didn't really care for it. Sure, it's pretty horrible how a girl lost her life; but that was her own choice.
It's not an everyday thing; kids killing themselves over bullying. Rarely does it actually happen.
But I think it really got to me when I heard that the bullies posted mean comments on memorial pages. Totally unaware of the seriousness of the situation. Oblivious to the fact that they took a life away.
And I agree with some of these users; when they are older, they'll never forgive themselves. Ever.
But nevertheless, my thoughts go out to you, Phoebe.
Rest in peace.
Justice in our hands said;
Posted 01/30/2010 at 06:03:25 AMI read everything that you have posted and the link that you put up on this story. I would like to see justice provile in this situation through the legal system. These Mean girls could care less with what they did to Phoebe and if they had it to do all over again, they would not change a thing. I for one am Proud of you for taking a Stand on this and protecting Proebe even in Death. Her family tells the story of what they did to their daughter going home to rest. Her blood is in their hands. They may not care now, but Phoebe's death will haunt them for the rest of their lives
"She did end up going back to Ireland after all, and when her father saw her she was in a casket.
Phoebe’s family decided to bury her in County Clare. They wanted an ocean between her and the people who hounded her to the grave."
Most comments here are full of frustration and it shows many people really know what its like to be bullied back in school. But words of frustration do not do much to all those bullies that will go on living and bringing more pain to someone else in the world.
There has to be way to put that frustration into action and do something that could actually make a difference.
I wish the girl would be alive now. There is no way to change the past. Yet there is a way to change the present and prevent someone else from following her steps. If this story makes you feel desperate and wishing to change something perhaps there is a way.
Please check this page, it's not spam i promise.
http://wp.me/pNcVc-i
If you can help this idea become a reality, perhaps it could save someone's life.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 06:44:07 AMAnthony,
Posted 01/30/2010 at 07:11:05 AMAs more horror stories come to light, more information is suppressed. Lilly has paid out $50 million or more to settle lawsuits out of court (hush money) and doesn't divulge this information. If she had tried to kill herself before, chances are better than 50% that she was on an anti-depressant, unless her family was very savvy to the truth about them. Information on any drugs Andrew Conley was taking is non-existent but he was also in the mental health system, just like Alyssa Bustamante. They may be able to suppress this information from the public b/c they are minors. The judge in the Melissa Huckaby case has also order the records sealed from the public. But I think that will end up coming out, she was on a lot of drugs prescribed to her by doctors she was referred to by the state.
I wish there really would be a way to stop that torture. People who say that the girl should have just ignored all the bullying that has been going on there for months simply have no idea what a bullying really is.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 07:19:59 AMIt is next to impossible for one child to confront his/her abusers if there is no support from the adults. And she was just a kid dealing with some kids, whose only difference from nazi was their age
It is not enough that the Superintendent and Principal feel really bad about that. Nothing of substance was done. They are having a few harsh words and a pity party. They need to be fired and new more aggressive leaders need to be put in their places. No actions against the bullies shows complicit actions and supports the behavior. The Phoebe's parents must sue the School System (then settle), and the family should move away. The bullies should be charged and found guilty of harassment and expelled from school. That is action they understand and must be taken, anything less is a JOKE.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 02:57:05 PMYOU HAVE MOST OF THIS STORY WRONG. WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU RUIN MORE PEOPLES LIVES.THESE GIRLS DID NOT KILL PHOEBE, DID YOU KNOW HOW SICK SHE WAS NO NOBODY SAYS THAT, SHE WAS ON DRUGS AND WAS DEPRESSED SHE CUT HERSELF AND BURNED HERSELF, SHE WAS HERE TO GET HELP. NO NORMAL PERSON BEING BULLIED WOULD KILL THEMSELVES BY HANGING. LEAVE THESE GIRLS ALONE THEY ARE ONLY DEFENDING THERE SCHOOL.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 10:04:30 PMI think whoever posted those girls names and addresses should be jailed. They did a terrible, horrible, rotten thing and yes they should be punished. But NOT by anyone other than the law. You're sending a bunch of people who are feeding off of each other at teenage girls. This site continues to fall lower each passing day and I for one think the one who writes and operates this blog needs to start screening these posts before he too is facing the courts for allowing such actions to be not only taken but violence being encouraged.
Hate breeds hate. Violence toward these girls solves nothing. It won't bring her back but they can face the legal consequences for their actions and hopefully learn some humility and sympathy for others.
To the Blogger, PLEASE be more responsible for the content you allow to be posted.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:03:11 PMthe information about laurie narey is wrong. she is not the mother of kayla narey. you're ruining her reputation and life. she is an innocent woman and many people are BULLYING her like what was done to pheobe. so if you can, please remove that information. she has done nothing wrong.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:21:41 PMHope one these girls dies soon,
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:22:00 PMEither by suicide or just being them druken selves
I am in highschool and my teacher read us this article about the girl from Ireland. I heard that there are texting wars between the mean girls and other kids. The other kids are sending death threats to the mean girls. In the article it said that the mean girls bragged about making that girl commit suicide. I think those bitches will not get in any trouble. i think one or more of those girls is a sociopath because they like that they indirectly killed someone. I hate it. I am glad I go to a nice school where there is minimal bullying. Didn't anyone notice this girl was dying inside? It seems like the worst kind of death possible. I am sorry to say but i am not surprised that the murderers bragged about killing her. I think our society is screwed and there are a ton of shitty excuses for parents out there. People can get away with doing bad things and there is nothing anybody can do about it. I will be very afraid when i have a kid. I bet there will be a a one out of ten chance that your kid will die in high school in like 20 years.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:25:10 PMI know posters will hate me but I was no different from those girls, I was a mean bitch and a bully. The only difference is none of my victims took their lives. And my parents good hard working middle-class people and if they had seen or heard half the torturing I did they would have kicked my obnoxious ass. I can't tell you when or how I first became a bully but it just seemed to build up. I was striking tall thin blonde with the ability to make friends and make enemies. One thing for sure is I was very competitive and young girls don't know how to step outside that small world of high school, and I couldn't look past that. I feel beyond bad for the things I did to other girls and boys(yes girls do bully boys), I unmercifully made fun, spread false rumors, sabotaged, set-up, ridiculed, defaced and intimidated. I even gave a girl in my group of friends an eating disorder. The one thing I never did was make anyone kill themselves (though I have told one girl to do so when I was in my height of bulling). I changed and I grew up, I'm not proud of how I conducted my younger years and my husband is shocked when I tell him of my behavior. These girls are mean and cruel but so are lots of girls in every school across the country, if I had the internet when I was I school(mid-90's)I may have been a headline. What I'm saying is this kids might not have bad parents they might not be evil and the might not have meant to really drive this poor girl to suicide. They might have been just teenagers that are self obsessed and need to grow up. They will live in regret, like I did, for a long time. RIP P.R.
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:43:30 PMI am in highschool and my teacher read us this article about the girl from Ireland. I
Posted 01/30/2010 at 11:58:24 PMTypo, meant RIP P.P.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 01:30:02 AMThose girls will get what the deserve, trust me. They will NEVER live this down.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:35:43 AMaer said:
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:43:14 AMHow would you know if Phoebe was sick or not? The only way that you would have known if she was doing drugs is if you were doing them with her? She was depressed because of you and your other sick pig friends bulling her to her death. Did you and the other piglets burn and cut her? How else would you know if she did or did not burn or cut herself? Bottom line YOUR A LIER. What you have posted is against the law. This is harrassment, SLANDER. I called your local law enforcement department telling them about your post and faxed them a copy of it. You will STOP, the information is being forward to Phoebe's parents.
aer,
If Phoebe was sick, what was the idea behind the bullying? In your school, I would imagine that there are special ed classes with kids who have MS and MR. Do they receive the same treatment if they are in a wheelchair, etc? Harassment, and cans of drinks thrown at them after school? If they go to the hospital for a procedure and are out of school, do people post trash about them on facebook? How are "sick" people treated at your school?
I looked at the facebook pages and the truth is that Phoebe was a very pretty girl (this is actually a quality boys look for, in case you didn't know-it seems that girls in your school think boys prefer girls who act like animals, some of the other stories on the site do show some guys prefer horses and dogs, but I don't think that is the majority) the bullies are quite doggish and would have been much better off harassing their parents for plastic surgery.
They can defend their school all they want, but the truth is, next year, your school will still be there, with a replaced principle, a few replaced teachers and a few less bullies.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 04:30:24 AMI am an elementary school teacher and I was so upset about what I had HEARD about this case that I wanted to find out if it could possibly be true. So, I have read the news accounts, and I have through all of the comments that people have posted, trying to sift through what seems credible and what does not. In the process, I have certainly gotten and education on how there is no longer any privacy in this world and how harmful comments can reverberate through a whole community, leading to total mayhem. If, indeed, there were girls at SHS that drove a fragile student to take her own life, then I do hope that the family will bring a civil action against the girls' families, on whatever basis they can find, and that the authorities will also do what they can to deprive these girls of their good name and liberty, to the extent possible. If Phoebe was on antidepressants, yes, they can evoke suicidal thoughts. But, it seems quite likely that there was a precipitating series of events at the end. Teenagers who have not lived under a rock must know that their actions can have consequences and should be held accountable for those that are reasonably foreseeable. If you tell a person to kill themself, isn't it reasonably foreseeable that they will, if they have just been uprooted from all that they have known over the past 15 years? Hasn't the school had assemblies to speak on bullying and its consequences? As a teacher, I feel it is part of my job to watch out for bullying and take action, but I will be even more vigilant from now on. I think most of my colleagues would agree with me that we are never surprised when we find out who is doing some bullying. Bullies are bullies because they feel threatened and inadequate. Bullies need to be seen as weak, not strong. There needs to be education for all students to recognize and report bullies. If the bullies bet the psychological help they need, then there will be fewer victims.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 10:16:36 AMyou people are pathetic, you sit there on your lazy asses and search for something to comment on . you make fun of people , threaten them, harass & yes bully them . how are you lazy computor watchers any differant than the bullies that are in our schools ,work places, on the streets & even in all our goverments world wide. get a life! get off your computor & do something nice with your kid's , family , or even a stranger. try being a role model for all our young people, instead of teching them how to bully people on your computors.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 12:01:29 PMi'm sure bulling has gone on since this world was created & may not ever stop. thats the way some humans are. we may not stop it completely but all of you can help. get off your computor , leave all people alone in this matter & do something nice for someone. like teach the young people in this world the differance between right and wrong!!!!!!! stop the hate ,it doesn't help anyone ! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !
@enough is enough
Oh, how sweet. One of the little bully-brats (or her minions) has found her way in here. Enjoy the screwing of a lifetime. Legion does not forget.
http://partyvan.info/wiki/Mean_Girls
P.S. If that spelling is indicative of the education provided at SHHS then it would perhaps be better to just raze the school to the ground and start from scratch.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 01:06:17 PM( justice ) Go fuck yourself. How's that spelling !
Posted 01/31/2010 at 01:34:20 PMQuite honestly, people who taunt others should really just be beaten to death. There are no excuses for bullying, no excuses at all. Its saddening to know that there are people out there who have such insecurities within themselves that they take their hate out on others rather than turning themselves around to be good upstanding citizens. Personally, things like this make me glad I don't have children, because as time goes on, taunting, teasing, bullying (just being an ass clown if you ask me) just keeps getting worse as the years go by, and unfortunately the school systems, and the parents of the kids doing this junk do absolutely nothing about it. They too, should be beaten.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:35:06 PMenough is enough,
Posted 01/31/2010 at 03:41:05 PMThe truth hurts. Whats the matter can't find anyone today to bully to death today?
Ashley Longe (413-533-4441),
Shannon Charon,
Flannery Mullins,
Kayla Narey(200 Lathrop St South Hadley, MA 01075 413-536-0870).
Posted 01/31/2010 at 04:33:01 PMThe Girls That Caused this chaos.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=share&gid=273752264554#
The Facebook they made right after.
Sublime,
Posted 01/31/2010 at 04:48:31 PMWhy does this FB page link back to this page? Did you just make this up? Morgan Freeman is a member?
What the..
The problem is that the law is not punishing them. There are no legal consequences for their actions. Thus the community feels it has to take it's own actions, right or wrong. If they were arrested and charged with a crime, this community retaliation may not have happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier
aer: Yes "normal" people being bullied do kill themselves by hanging and other methods. Google it and check the link above. It happened in Missouri and the people responsible were not punished. They were taken to court but eventually were let off.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 05:29:20 PM"Mom",
Posted 01/31/2010 at 08:26:36 PMI know you are Megan's mom by your post. Yes, this vile person who is of age who should feel some responsibility to younger people was let off by this judge. If I told someone "the world would be better off without you" I would do so intending to take full responsibility. However, this girl's mother is not at the mental level that you are. Don't be dismayed, however, sometimes life is it's own punishment. I was also prescribed Lexapro. It wasn't until then that I realized what really killed my father. My father walked in front of a train going 30 MPH and was killed. He had been prescribed 14 different psych meds over a 3 yr. period. I had an argument with him and didn't sit with him at lunch the last time I saw him. (he was a teacher at my school) I was 13 yrs. old that day. I then proceeded to get anorexia and then bulimia and then alcoholism, all the while allowing people to treat me like a doormat. No matter how much therapy I get or how much time passes (I am 42 now) I deep down feel responsible for his death. Trains make me feel like throwing up. They make me shake. To imagine how that would feel is my my ultimate, continuing punishment. So, even though I know logically that I am not responsible, this has stolen my life. Imagine how I would feel if I actually were responsible.
Mom,
Posted 01/31/2010 at 09:23:20 PMI know that it seems unfair but you must hold yourself to a higher standard. As I have argued with Mandy & Andryo about that Gabbard guy. I realize that these people are a lower form of life. That guy did not intend to kill someone, he's a drunk. The woman who killed your daughter on the other hand. The 2 compared, no intent vs. malice aforethought (an addict vs. a sober ugly cow who knows the power of her actions.) The law just has no precedent for it yet. When we finally anilhitate each other, we will not be able to blame it on the extinction of some exoctic animal, we must blame ourselves, man is the ruler of the world. Thus, people who would include themselves in the category of man, must take responsibility, otherwise include themselves in another category.
wow those girls are bitches, karma will get back at them. the poor girl, nd those jealouse bitches,dam. jealousey can do so much.
Posted 01/31/2010 at 11:19:42 PMMom, Did you or her doctor believe that her medication had something to do with her death? It looked pretty cut and clear, if this beautiful girl had not been bullied by this child and her mother; She would still be alive today. I believe that People do take responsibility for their own actions and are decent human beings. But there are the one's like the Bullies, the Andrew Wirth's in the world that have no respect for other human beings. So what happens? Their victims are disregarded like yesterdays garbage. Murdered, forced to commit suicide, beaten, raped and why? Because they can. Not because Bullies and Wirth's were abused as kids, antidepressants, dropped out of school, simple explanation for their sub-human behavior, because they Can.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 12:08:32 AMComments similar to some of those above were submitted to my blog but I have hidden them because some of the information is incorrect. That includes the addition of a person who does not appear to have anything to do with what happened to Phoebe Prince. I hope TrueCrimeReport also hides the posts, above, which reference the address of that person.
I've been given the names of the same four girls listed above. But there are more because those four allegedly had their friends participate in the snarky and bullying comments.
And then there's the car that went by Phoebe Prince as she walked home. Who threw the bottle at Phoebe? Who was driving the car? Who else was in the car (wasn't just girls!!). And who is the owner of that vehicle? If you have info on these four questions, please contact the Massachusetts State Police.
I wish more blogs would cover this story and the problem of bullying in public schools. I wish the kids who harassed Phoebe Prince to the point that she felt so hopeless would get some courage and step forward to admit their ugly deeds. And I wish that stupid-ass principal and superintendent would resign from their jobs. A girl died on their watch due to their indifference. A girl who had her whole life in front of her.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 01:44:37 AMI just think its funny that now that a girl kills herself over bullying something should finally be done, why wasn't something enforced way before this had happened. Not only should the girls involved be punished but the adminstrators of the high school should also be punished for not catching something so open quick enough. The girls started this but the teachers and adminstrators let it go on for as long as it did.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 03:04:06 AMThere are some SERIOUS problems going on in this school.
I was bullied in High School, but never like that.
The girls responsible for this are proud of what they did, which makes this situation even worse.
I cannot fathom how this went on without notice.
How does a school administration NOT notice a group of girls relentlessly harassing this poor girl.
High schools suck. The girls were probably quite popular with the teachers and administration as well as popular to the student body, so they more than likely were not suspected of being a part of it.
HATE high school bullshit like that.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 03:38:24 AMSo backwards. And WRONG.
Those report about Laurie Narey being unrelated to Kayla Narey are bullshit. Kayla has been cutting Facebook ties with her family. She's now down to 30 people. However, Bob Narey (the older man with the white hair) was just a few days ago Facebook friends with both Laurie Narey and Kayla Narey. So yes, they are very much related and anyone claiming otherwise is trying to spread misinformation.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 05:27:57 AMKPR:
That is complete and utter nonsense. I attended private school for seven years and was routinely bullied both verbally and physically, not just by the kids who were "cooler" than I, but by the ones who were richer, too (I was there on financial aid.) Not only did the teachers look the other way- some of them actively encouraged it or participated in it. I was told I needed to "toughen up." Thankfully, this was before cellphones and the Internet were ubiquitous- lord knows if I would have survived otherwise. Private schools are just as bad if not worse for this sort of thing, because the population is smaller- there are fewer ways to live in comfortable anonymity or to find other rejects to hang out with.
What you sound like is an ideologue who just has a problem with the American idea of state-funded education.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:14:16 AMRE: Those report about Laurie Narey being unrelated to Kayla Narey are bullshit. Kayla has been cutting Facebook ties with her family.
Leave this poor women alone! Innocent people are being dragged into this whole nightmare, stick to having the teens held responsible and thats it.
Please spread the word that this poor women is not related to these girls.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=290139423808&id=267095363109#/photo.php?pid=3269713&op=1&o=global&view=global&subj=267095363109&id=507012021
Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:14:40 AMFail. Weak human. Useless.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 11:47:36 AMYou know who should be arrested? The parents who keep sending their kids to schools like this.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 04:37:08 PMWhat a sad, depressing story to read. Yet, it might have been avoided if Phoebe's parents were informed about the dangers online, had some form of monitoring software installed on Phoebe's pc and met with the school principle. My husband and I take nothing for granted these days, in particular, with technology. We were told about a site, www.guardchild.com, that provided us with the knowledge and software selection to purchase and protect our three children. Parents and educators need to be knowledgeable about this and other kinds of digital abuse and be proactive in protecting young people from becoming victims.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 04:49:54 PMMy teen daughter asked me to let her do home schooling instead of going to high school because she said the kids were really mean to her and that is exactly what I did. She is totally responsible for her school work and she gets excellent grades. She is a much happier child. Reading about this beautiful girl suffering so much supports my decision about home schooling. Kids can be terribly cruel!
Posted 02/01/2010 at 05:32:13 PMGood grief!! I remember well that some kids were "in" and others were "out" i.e. not the most popular, but I don't EVER remember this kind of nastiness and cruelty to classmates. Maybe I was just lucky to be in a small high school. Can't imagine either that any of the teachers or principals I knew would have tolerated that sort of behavior among the students.... WHAT has gone wrong??? Yes, I agree with one of you who asked what kind of parents could have produced such insensitive, entitled and mean-spirited little monsters..... YIKES!
Posted 02/01/2010 at 06:52:41 PMTom you wanker! Is that good enough english for you.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 07:14:30 PMR.I.P Phoebe Prince
This is such a terrible tragedy. These girls should be prosecuted as adults for Defamation of Character and Libel. Perhaps the parents should be sued as well- setting a precedent is warranted in a case like this- driving a young person to kill themselves.
My condolences to this child's family.
Posted 02/01/2010 at 08:48:22 PMThis is one of the most horrible things i heard. Them snobby bitches should be punished.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 09:07:52 AMMaybe she was just caught being too white in a public school system. This was my experience too.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 10:52:59 AMThe parents are to blame, not the school.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 03:26:46 PMJohn said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
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Truth hurts? They ARE shitty little girls. I'll go as far as to say they are a pack of whorthless bitches.
Posted 02/02/2010 at 04:43:11 PMJohn said:
"the shitty little girls left disparaging messages"
What? Who wrote this article? Very unprofessional...
Posted 02/02/2010 at 07:03:43 PMIt takes a lot of guts to write something like this. If Pete wrote this article you have stood up for all of the people that have been bullied. More people need to take a stand against crap like this, if more of us did maybe there would be less of it
My Brother hung himself back it 2001. He was 13 years old. I was 19 at the time. We grew up in a very rich town; however we were very very poor.. We all had tough times trying to "fit in" and " belong".. Anyhow, my brother showed no signs of being suicidal. And one afternoon he hung himself. After hearing stories from his friends and peers, it all started making sense.. He was being bullied. We should HOLD THESE KIDS ( WHO ARE BULLYING ) RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.... JAIL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 02/02/2010 at 11:45:13 PMit's not just a public school thing. i go to an expensive private school where students get detention for having coffee in the hallways, but a mere "talking to" for hate crimes.... people have been bullied for race and religion and sexual, and the school administrators have not punished them because their families donate money to the school.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 12:55:50 AM*sexual orientation
Posted 02/03/2010 at 12:56:49 AMi.e., bullied because they are gay or suspected to be gay
Stone the girls and Cane the parents. I am sure those little monsters were never disciplined by their parents. All the bleedings hearts about child abuse I am sure those girls could of use a good whipping from their parents so the parents are responsible. Don't blame society! They and the parents are responsible! As for any school officials who received reports in the past a public flogging and let them keep their jobs so they can better prevent this happening again.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 01:18:43 AMIt is fascinating what a judgemental, bully-mob mentality we have here on the comments page...
Calling the girls in question bitches, suggesting everyone in the school be punished, dropping a bomb on that "Hick town"... really guys? No comment.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 06:58:53 AMA commenter said girls can be terrible. So can boys. I used to be taunted with footballs once thrown at me while I was sitting high up on a ledge. The boys could have seriously injured or god forbid killed me if they had been successful at hitting me with the football. Girls were pretty bad to me too but fortunately Facebook didn't exist when I went to high school. High school officials generally have a lax attitude towards bullying. The nasty girls were obviously raised quite badly to put it mildly. I feel terribly for Phoebe and her family. I wish Phoebe had been stronger though. I used to be bullied starting at a young age. The bullying actually for the most part ended in 10th grade. I experience bullying from a few students later in college though. Afterwards I was subject to bullying by professors of all people in graduate school. Bullying has unfortunately been a major theme in my life but not once did suicide ever cross my mind. The rotten little girls were horribly cruel but one needs to find the strength to hang in there. The school should help victims of bullying find that strength.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 07:41:28 AMTo all the future Phoebe Prince's out there:
Don't kill yourself.
Kill them.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 08:56:40 AMjesus fucking christ....rest in peace phoebe prince, i really hope you have found your peace in death
scum who torment people like this should be executed outright, this is beyond appalling
Posted 02/03/2010 at 10:15:40 AMthis is so sad.... i cant imagine how difficult this is on her family. and what a disgusting shame to the family of the bullies. this poor young girl who felt so alone and felt too afraid to seek help. keeping the prince family in my prayers... i'm sorry this had been their experience coming to this country... to give something better to thier children. i think something much more harsh than a suspension should happen to these children. and no... maybe they didnt think she would commit suicide... but... she obviously was in fear for her safety... why shouldnt these girls ...or ANYONE who bullies face some kind of attempted assault charges... i was always taught growing up... "YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF"... where does any child grow up thinking its ok to hit... or even THREATEN to hurt someone else!!
and who is the IDIOT who thinks its a priority to point out the grammar of how one is "hanged" and not "hung"... what an asshole...
Posted 02/03/2010 at 12:44:22 PMAshley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins and Kayla Narey were the bullies.
And a girl who defended them after the death is Grace Szydziak (friends of these awful girls).
Posted 02/03/2010 at 02:01:46 PMSad, really sad. Her parents should go to these girls house and blow them away. That's how I feel right now.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 02:47:17 PMI have experienced extreme bullying at school. I understand what she went through and I can't comprehend how girls who barely knew her could hate her so much and wish her dead.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 03:35:20 PMWhen those girls that bullied ARE OLD, UGLY IN AND OUT, AND MISERABLE I PRAY THEY REALIZE WHAT THEY DID TO PHOEBE PRINCE. KARMA, KARMA GIRLS--you will see... Start praying now although it will not help due to the selfish cruel act of taking ones life.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 03:45:32 PMsadly these bullies wont regret a thing most of their lives. It will be when they turn 60-70 and think back after a good medical scare, about how they treated others and if their beauty can buy them a one way ticket to heaven :(
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:01:26 PMold age tends to make people reflect more, including the most devout atheists.
I remember being bullied. I am 42 years old and it still makes me sick. My offence was that of sweet Phoebe. I was a freshman...and was asked out by the popular senior wrestler, football player, basketball player...all around jock. WOW! what a crime. Those girls who made my life miserable....I hope they are ashamed still today like I am still hurt today. Rest in Peace sweet Phoebe. I have three daughters...my heart aches for her family.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:01:49 PMWRONG FACEBOOK LINK
Some PEOPLE have posted my facebook page link on here at least 6 times and I have nothing to do with this. Its suppose to be a link to the (Mean girls) but its not,its just me a mom. Read before you post or link. This is how the it starts.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:35:15 PMThis is terrible. Do people even have the brain span to know when enough is enough? Seriously, if it was about the girl liking that guy, there is so many other people. I feel bad to think of how terrible it was for someone to want to kill themselves.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:37:54 PMThe bullies didnt murder her, they supplied the verbal rope.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:39:29 PMEach human being decides their own fate when contemplating suicide. We need to teach our kids to be strong, that life is a gift.
These bullies should be punished for their acts, not murder.
My 15 yr old daughter used to come home crying every few days from the abuse she took at school. I was on the phone every time with the school. Ive turned from Momma bear to grizzly bear and jumped on the bus to LOUDLY discuss my anger with the ring leader of the bus bully. I just barged past the bus driver as soon as the door opened and said my peace.
My daughter is thin, beautiful and smart... whereas the bullies are big girls, plain Janes, no academic classes. Bullies arent always the pretty ones or the popular ones.
I was thrilled that recently my girl kicked one of our bullies butts when they trapped her down the hall.
Her Tae kwon do classes paid off. My 5 foot tall 90 lb. girl took down the biggest girl who was the first to strike. (since TKD students are taught to use it in SELF DEFENSE only)
Now no one in school messes with her. Self defense is mandatory in this type of world we live in.
life is about Love and forgiveness. Phoebes parents are suffering but I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive the monsters who added fuel to the fire.
These bullies are ignorant children, doing what kids have from the dawn of school. Ask anyone of any age, bullies were always around.
They are usually the insecure children that use power to hide behind, strength in numbers type of crap. Its easy to point a finger but more logical to try to find a way to stop this. jumps off the soap box
Very cool story, Donna. I'm happy for your daughter.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:43:36 PMI am disturbed by the suggestion that all the bullied need to do is toughen up or fight back. Teenagers are confused, hormone-riddled people who blow everything out of proportion. Bullied kids, in addition, feel persecuted and humiliated. "Toughening up" might be arming themselves. "Fighting back" might mean another Columbine.
If half the (presumably) adults on this page advocate killing the bullies, don't you think that a bullied kid might want to kill a bully?
Posted 02/03/2010 at 04:47:28 PMBullying starts at home!
A friend of mine has coached soccer for years and is great with kids. His daughter and this girl Mary were best buddies for years. Mary's dad did nt like where Mary played on the team, he wanted her to play offense even though he always screamed at her when she made a mistake.
So he went off and created a new team, lied to parents to build a team etc etc. My friend had no problem with that, good for him he said I am glad he is interested in doing more. However, Mary started to treat her former BFF like a leper before this new team was announced, she would walk away when coach's daughter saat down to talk to her, ignore her when Mary was with her new buds, never call for a play date when she said she would - treated like leper. Well my friend guessed that Mary was hearing a lot of crap at home about the coach - which was confirmed by another family who were visiting and heard it all! Mary's dad was bad mouthing the coach in front of his own kids, the visiting kids and the parents of visiting kids.
Now Mary and Coach's daughter who used to be BFF's rarely talk all because the dad was an Axx. My friend was devestated at the way his daughter was treated by Mary (former BFF's). Did I mention they were ten and nine?
It all starts at home!
Posted 02/03/2010 at 05:27:33 PMI'm sorry for the tragic loss
Posted 02/03/2010 at 07:48:09 PMit is so sad how such a young girl who could have had a bright future died due to something so mean. It is also very sad that teachrs cant see and understand what is going on. Something needs to get done. Teachers need to understand, because it is clear the "no bulling at school" rule works.
Posted 02/03/2010 at 08:43:37 PMBrian said:
To all the future Phoebe Prince's out there:
Don't kill yourself.
Kill them.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 12:28:37 AM^THAT IS AWFUL ADVICE!
Quite honestly, I went to Franklin County Tech and all the kids that came from out towards Hadley were uppity, crude, judgmental, snide, insulting, and just plain mean kids. All of them. They wouldn't talk to anyone that wasn't from their area and even based their opinions of other students merely on where they lived. Kids from the Sunderland area and beyond are terrible to their fellow students. I have never seen such blatant hate and discrimination for no reason at all. It is horrendous how these kids are raised to hate anyone not like them. This is terrible news, however, I'm not surprised these girls were capable of being the monsters they are raised to be.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 12:32:42 AMKids today are so rude and cruel. If my daughter was put through this.....let's just say those girls would never get another chance to bully another girl.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 02:53:35 AMThe contact phone and addresses of the mean girls are here: http://partyvan.info/wiki/Mean_Girls#Mean_Girls But I have no idea how accurate it is.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 07:23:03 AMi cant belive those selfish girls i hope something bad happens to them i have been bullied before
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:25:31 AMso stop
Please Note: Another sad result of this incident is that the phone number and address being propagated on the internet and on this site for Ashley Long actually belongs to seriously ill 70 year old woman who is now being harrassed.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 10:31:53 AMSite manager/administrator please in honor of Phoebe Prince remove the phone number ending 4441 for Ashley as it is not her number. The harrassment this elder is recieving is just as disgusting and cowardly as the bullying that was done by ashley.
Not that I condone what the "mean girls" did; bullying is definitely an awful thing. That being said, why should it be Facebook's or a cellphone carrier's fault, and why should the liberty of free speech be denied on social networking websites? It would be a huge privacy issue if Facebook screened private messages for "threats", "bullying", or whatnot. Also, why should the girls be held criminally accountable? I do believe their actions where wrong and all, but really, they did not kill the girl. Be real people how stupid would you have to be to kill yourself because of "mean people" and Facebook messages? The girl obviously had bigger issues. Being depressed, having a mental disorder, or just being stupid enough to commit suicide for such a petty reason was not the mean girls fault. Actually it's probably more the fault of her parents for not having forged a relationship with the girl where she could have confided her problems to them and actually resolve the situation she was in.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 01:14:20 PMNot that I condone what the "mean girls" did; bullying is definitely an awful thing. That being said, why should it be Facebook's or a cellphone carrier's fault, and why should the liberty of free speech be denied on social networking websites? It would be a huge privacy issue if Facebook screened private messages for "threats", "bullying", or whatnot. Also, why should the girls be held criminally accountable? I do believe their actions where wrong and all, but really, they did not kill the girl. Be real people how stupid would you have to be to kill yourself because of "mean people" and Facebook messages? The girl obviously had bigger issues. Being depressed, having a mental disorder, or just being stupid enough to commit suicide for such a petty reason was not the mean girls fault. Actually it's probably more the fault of her parents for not having forged a relationship with the girl where she could have confided her problems to them and actually resolve the situation she was in.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 01:14:20 PMBULLYING is still "allowed" in schools, and the school adminstration....generally does not "Act" until....too late. My own son was bullied...and..I worked "with the system"...which did nothing..until a "violent assualt" that led to his "jaw being broke in two".
Posted 02/04/2010 at 04:57:40 PMThat "KID"...aka..."FELON"...was convicted this year of "Felony Assualt".
MY ADVICE to all PARENTS---If your kid is being bullied...TAKE THEM OUT OF THAT SCHOOL...IMMEDIATELY!!!
*This is not about..."Being Afraid to Face Life's Problems"....KIDS today..go from Verbal to Violent bullying, and the schools NEVER PUNISH the bullies because they always have an excuse. (HE has a Bad Home Life..or...we can't suspend "them" or "him" unti...he kills your kid...)
HOME SCHOOL them...or get them into another school district, but....DO NOT TRUST TEACHERS or ADMINISTRATORS to do anything....but "COVER THIER ASSES"...after your kid is injured.====SAVE YOUR KIDS--TAKE THEM OUT OF SCHOOL!
So they are saying those girls are untouchable but no one is from everyday life and where are these girls parents do they not care what their children have done or how they are acting i live in western mass i know that in 5-6 years when my boys are in high school if anything like this comes up im the type of parent thats gonna be at school everyday doing something about it. It is so sad to see things like this happen
Posted 02/04/2010 at 07:10:29 PMsad to see young life take there own life away because other humans with no self respect for themselves or otheres are jealous. they have no respect for someones dignity. i think the kids who were bullying this girl should face criminal charges, and if not that fines or some kind of punishment. sorry for the parents of that child. you guys are in my prayers.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 07:46:03 PMSend these little witches to Idaho. We have the death penalty...and we USE IT!
Their families proved what kind of scum they are. All the money you have won't stop you from rotting with Satan for eternity!
Bullies are PUNKS and COWARDS!
Send them out here and we'll show them some West justice!
Posted 02/04/2010 at 08:52:13 PMI too was the victim of bullying. When I was 10 years old, my family moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Right after I transferred to a grammar school, one girl in particular tried to make my life a living hell. Even the teacher bullied me and would spank me in front of the class. It took me years to get over this and I only hope that if there are other children out there that are being bullied, please get help and don't stop getting help. Mean kids are usually suffering from low self esteem and don't know that they are destroying other kids' lives. I am praying for all the kids all over the world who are being bullied that they will find the strength to make it
Posted 02/04/2010 at 08:53:52 PMthru the humiliation because there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Ma has harrasment and stalking law which this behavior is deemed a crime, a felony, even 17 year old trash can be proscecuted. Instead of blogging, write your support of this to the DA
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:00:24 PMWhere are the parents in this story? Who are the parents who raise (or not) these girls? Are they too busy to pay attention? Are they now busy making sure their sweet girls face no punishment? Or are they working with authorities to help teach these girl-beasts that their actions had terrible consequences and thus require comparable consequences for them?
And how do they account for the fact that her 12 year-old sister found her? How can they account for the fact that their daughters go on living even though they have basically driven another to take her life -- and all of the grief those who loved her must now endure.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:01:28 PMi have expierienced such terrible harassment myself. its terrible and deigacefull. i learned that i had to ignore it. they are all just jelous. it drove me to attempted scuicide. i was stopped by my mother in the middle. i would cut myself as well trying to make the pain go away. you feal alone and deffenseless. for those girls who did this to this poor beautiful young women should go to hell. how dare they still taunt her on her memorial site ! that is absolutly disgusting. i hope they serve jail time. they deserve no futer. Rest in peace phoebe. my prayers are with you and your family. im sorry this couldnt be stopped before you took your life away. its a shame. you were so much better then them.
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:06:52 PMWhere are the Parents???????????
Posted 02/04/2010 at 09:47:51 PMi agree wit ej fact i think these girl should get the shit beat outta them
Posted 02/04/2010 at 11:52:31 PMso bad that they never speak again
Someone who identified herself as grace szydziak left a comment on my blog to leave her and her friends alone... and to not visit her facebook if I don't know her.
I wish the christy lynne person who commented a few days ago would come back and update us on what is going on in her school.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 12:15:48 AMI my self and a close friend of mine are constantly bullied just simply because they have nothing better to do. They do not like the fact that i dated on of my bullies ex boyfriends and as well my friend. Months later and still to this day these girls do not leave us alone, they interrogate us and harass us and call us names and myself personally have a severe allergy to peanut-butter and they constantly say oh i love it lets go eat it lets try to kill her with it to the point where i've thought about killing myself and i've come close. If it weren't for my true friends i probably wouldn't be alive today. Girls are really crewel these days and will do anything to other girls to satisfy them selves. It greatly affects me that this poor young girl was actually driven over the edge when i had the encouragement and support from people to back away and not let it bother me.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 12:17:33 AMPlease girls if you read this and you are a victim just think about the satisfaction you would leave with them think about the fact that they will do it because they know it bothers you, if you ignore what they have to say they will eventually go away. You are better then them, look at you and look at them, who takes the time to sit there and make things up about people, stupid girls who have no lives and are jealous of yours and probably something you have that they cant. Opposed to you, the one who just lives their life and has better things to do then be a pathetic cyber bully.
I just wanted to say that yes this story is very sad esp. to hear when you have kids of your own you love them and want them to feel safe, but c'mon pull the plug on yourself just because you're bullied. Give me a break. I was an immigrant from Europe and bullied and when I was a kid and I never even told my parents. Doing such a thing never even entered my mind. Children have to be taught the consequenses for such actions. kids have to know that they can always run to there parents for love and help. I always did.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 12:53:06 AMas a person who was severly bullied as a child as well as one being fortunate to have visited ireland twice (including county claire) i can imagine the shock phoebe endured upon moving to the "greatest country in the world". in truth she perished in one country that has pretended to be another since its inception. our schools are crap, our elected officials are moral cowards who lead the usa, (along with the rest of the world)to financial ruin because none of them had the guts to stand up and tell our minorities that home ownership is not a right and our parents make little effort to watchdog the schools their child attends. in ireland i once shared a bus with some of the local prep school students at the end of their day and their conduct was beyond exemplary. they were so courteous i actually felt more at home in their village of kinsale then i have ever felt anywhere in the great usa. every principal, teacher, superintendant, pompous coach/phys.ed teacher and anyone else (including students)connected with the great train wreck called the american education system should bow their heads and pray for phoebe,s sacred soul as well as the redemption of their own, as they all know darn well their criminal indifference and arrogance has created other phoebes who today are either six feet under or are living vacant lives, forever denied the being they could have been.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:21:02 AMThese spoiled bitches should be given a chance to go to jail or join the army as in they used to in the old days. We know how to straighten out bullies and bitches who think their shit don't stink. Blanket Party anyone?
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:10:19 AMIt is good - but "sad" to see all these comments here. I haven't read through them all, but most appear to be from people (like myself) who went through this same hell in school. I can't remember going to school for even just one day and being happy. What these comments tell me is that there are A LOT of "us" out there. As adults, which most of us probably are now, we need to makes sure these other adults (superintendent, principal, etc.) are held accountable for their inaction. I look back on my childhood in school and wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy. It was a living hell; that has affected my entire life and how I look at (and "see") most everyone. I am a loner; I don't like people and don't trust anyone but my parents. I don't know how I ever made it past doing the same thing as Phoebe - and to say my heart bleeds for her would be an understatement. This kid did not deserve what happened to her. Anyone who thinks this bullying had little to do with her death are living in a fantasy land. If Mass. politicians choke on this (yes, those from Mass. KNOW we've got the most spineless political hacks in the country) we (people) need to make them act - or kick them out of office. The town of S. Hadley needs to be forced to terminate this Superintendent; he has no claim to any money due on his contract because he didn't do his job. The town needs to booting those girls out of the school system for good. Like other posters here, I'd love to seem them all beaten to a pulp. Forget "talk", the only thing people like this understand is getting back what they've given. I bet if these girls were put in Boston (or some other inner city school) they'd be at the bottom of the so called "totem pole" and be afraid to raise their head for fear of getting a punch in the mouth.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 11:19:04 AMWow .If any of those girls were my daughter they would never see the light of day . Obviously their parents dont give a f*** about wats going on . Saying that it was their right to freedom of speech is horrible. People are so sick and twisted.
Poor girl :( I hope bullies now realize what they are capable of. Saying a few words can really harm a person's self esteem. Especially a young girl's.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:15:43 PMThe problem here is that parents are too busy being friends and not parents. They dont want to 'invade their childs privacy' or 'hurt their feelings', which is complete crap. KIDS DONT HAVE PRIVACY! They havent lived long enough to EARN IT. As a parent it is YOUR JOB to check their backpacks as often as possible, check cell phones at random a few times a week, keep tabs on who they talk to, what they say, where they go, and how they behave. Talk to teachers regularly, check their rooms FOR ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. Kids dont need privacy, and this bullshit needs to stop. They also dont need cell pones. I graduated in 2003 and I didnt have my first phone until I was 20, and look everyone, I am still alive! These kids faceboks should be TAKEN DOWN, and their parents should have been MONITORING THEM DAILY. If anyone is to blame, its the parents as much as the children. If a child of mine ever pulled a stunt like this, one of two things would happen:I would be hauling her ass off to the nearest police station and telling them that I DONT WANT HER ANYMORE, OR i WOULD BE REARRANGING MY LIFE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH HER EVERY DAY FOR THE DURATION OF HER HIGH SCHOOL CAREER, AND THE ONLY COLLEGE SHE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR WOULD BE COMMUNITY, AT BEST. Obviously these girls arent going to school to learn anything, so why bother sending them at all?
Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:44:26 PMI think this is a terrible thing to have happen, and it doesn't seem like there is any controversy in that. The con-traversal part of this subject is how best to deal with this situation. Beating the tar out of those girls solves absolutely nothing, and to even suggest that seems totally inappropriate. Using violence and intolerance to show violence and intolerance is wrong? Come on!
Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:58:48 PMThese girls clearly have some serious insecurities as well, and honestly...who can blame them? I think there were a lot of hands involved in why this terrible event happened. The school should have acted, the parents should have taught their kids that this wasn't ok, but those only help to a point. Look at the media now-a-days. The younger generations are growing up in a world where death is a constant theme and in some cases laughed at. TV, movies, and even music now is just all about being the most beautiful person, and teaching that being self centered is the way to be. Topics that used to be heavy to talk about are being made light of. Human life is taken for granted. The message of "I'm right, your wrong, if you have a problem with that then fuck yourself" comes across everywhere and not only in high school. People think bullying is a high school happening but completely overlook all those times they point at someone and laugh at the way they are dressed, who they are holding hands with, or what religion they relate to. Intolerance is a theme everywhere we look, so how can we expect these young kids to be any different? Before criticizing and pointing a finger at everyone else, we need to take a hard look into the mirror. To change the world we must first change ourselves.
I agree, there absolutely needs to be serious consequences for this, but beating these girls up is not the way. They need to be properly educated, shown the right path, and even given a caring hand to show that, though they did wrong...they are still human. As they grow up and mature they will have to live with the fact that they were the most hated people in school, and that they even killed someone. The people who show the least amount of love, need it the most.
It is the parents' fault. Period.
The fact that these girls could purposely try to make someone else feel so horrible is a direct result of not having been taught values, which should be taught in the home. You cannot expect the school to do it, it is not the school's responsibility. You don't learn values from having a different teacher every year who is handling the education (which by the way is what they are paid to do and have been trained to do) of 20 + other individuals. Children learn values day in, day out, from consistent examples from their parents and family members throughout their lives.
As a teenager I was scared of my parents who disciplined me, without violence, but with love and consequences. And I learned from them because they were around, every day. We had one car and one bathroom for 6 people. My parents sacrificed. But my mom was there everyday when i walked in the door to make sure that homework was done, I was fed properly, I went outside to play to get exercise, instead of watching TV, etc. I didn't get every F'ing toy I wanted, I got love instead. It might have made me upset at the time, but boy am I happy about it now.
Today parents are more concerned about keeping up with the Jones', at any cost, which means spending less time to make more money to buy what the kids want, or to do selfish things for themselves. They musht have the big house and cars etc., and kids see that. All the kids really want is attention and love. And when they don't get it at home, they act out and get the attention in other ways. In this case, by bullying others.
Those girls - the bullies - did what they did as a result of being neglected. And I am not talking about neglect of home, clothes, food, computers, toys, cars, pedicures, manicures, designer jeans, $$$ or other material things. I am talking about neglect of love. And their parents should be held accountable.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:03:58 PMThe school district released a report for the press... which doesn't say a whole heck of anything. No particulars at all.
You can click on my name if this link does not work thru this site: http://media.masslive.com/breakingnews/other/SOUTH%20HADLEY%20PUBLIC%20SCHOOLS%20PRESS%20RELEASE%20February%205,%202010.pdf
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:08:51 PMASHLEY LONG'S NUMBER IS NOT 413-533-4441 as is being propagated on the internet by Mean Girls Website.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 03:49:18 PMPlease Note: Another sad result of this incident is that the phone number and address being propagated on the internet and on this site for Ashley Long actually belongs to seriously ill 70 year old woman who is now being harrassed.
Site manager/administrator please in honor of Phoebe Prince remove the posts with phone number ending 4441 for Ashley as it is not her number. The harrassment this elder is recieving is just as disgusting and cowardly as the bullying that was done by ashley.
Wow, I was actually one of the "mean girls" in middle school, but quickly grew out of it in high school. This is because i developed a CONSCIENCE. These girls that bullied Phoebe must be dumb rich kids who have no regard for other people's well-being. I hope their high school doesn't let these girls forget what they did. Of course they aren't 100% responsible for Phoebe's suicide, but they were clearly a MAJOR contributing factor. RIP Phoebe.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:08:54 PMAs for taking Facebook away, that is almost impossible to do as it is "now". However, all Facebook, Myspace and other sites need to do is hold PARENTS responsible for what is posted there. If this was done, society and Phoebe's parents (and other parents) would be able to hold the PARENT'S of those kids responsible and would be able to do so if a parent needed to give permission WITH A CREDIT CARD to get one of these (social networking site) accounts. Finally, Mom and Dad's ass would be on the line. As for these bullies and "self esteem" ... sorry, but absolutely NO F'n way!!! I know about all the psychobable and all the "poor me" BS that comes out of that crap. It's the same garbage we see in prison when these a'holes criminals find "Jesus", Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy or "whatever" to get out of jail; all THAT is BS; it's a big con! It's always the trouble makers that get all the attention. The only way to deal with assholes like these bullies is to teach them first-hand what it feels like to be on the other side. Most kids (actually, ALL kids) that bully KNOW they are causing hurt to others; it's not like they are clueless to what they are doing (and have done); it's a big power trip. No, they need "reinforcement" (how's THAT for shrink talk) - and the reinforcement frankly speaking is a SERIOUS BEATING on "them" by someone "cooler" and tougher. I would bet my last cent that "this" would solve the problem in no time flat. Once the beating "happens", that kid (bully) needs to be told "if it happens again" (you bullying someone) so too will "this" (you getting the pulp beat out of YOU - only next time it will be worse). Let THEM come to school day in and day out and walk on eggshells. No pity from me for any bullies - and none whatsoever for their parents or school officials. This loser Superintendent needs to go. He was clueless to what was going on in his school system. Now we are hearing just HOW "clueless" he was; apparently this is a MAJOR problem there and has been for years. Like the loser Principal at Columbine who thought nothing of having a "Trenchcoat Mafia" in his school, this dude is out of touch with reality and not doing his job; unfortunately, the price "paid" was the life of this beautiful girl. He needs to go NOW!
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:11:07 PMThanks to the idea that "its a choice to be offended" that is so prevalent today, this type of thing is going to happen more and more. If someone gets upset about something you say and kills them-self it's not YOUR fault. It's all THEIR fault for "choosing" to be offended.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:16:17 PMRIGHT! What ever happened to empathy?
Even if you are being bullied, I don't really believe that's a reason to commit suicide. If I were the one who was being bullied, I would've messed back, not kill myself.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:33:27 PMMisty, that's fine for YOU. However, everyone is different and when you've got a GROUP of bullies beating on "1" (you/me) that is a lot easier said than done. Some people here (Boston) are blaming Phoebe for killing herself. With a name like "Misty", I'll assume you're a woman. That being the case, can you understand how "some" woman would be full of anger and kill a rapist ... while some would be (and often are) "traumatized for life". As survivor says "what happened to empathy?" From my perspective, the "problem" was the bullies and like any other trouble maker, it is THEY who've got to deal with repercussions of their "crime". If someone drives drunk, he/she may just be lucky and make it home without killing someone or getting caught. However, the opposite may happen; they may get caught and might just kill someone and end up in the can for years. These bullies (IMHO) committed a crime; actually, in Massachusetts, they DID commit a "crime". They need to suffer for the outcome of their crime - whatever that outcome may be - and in this case, the outcome was an innocent person being driven to take her own life. I sincerely WOULD like them do time - even if only a month. And, they should also do long term community service (years) - talking to younger kids about what they did (wrong) and that their behavior (bullying) is intolerable in a civilized society. If you had been bullied, perhaps nothing would have happened (you wouldn't have killed yourself - and that we wouldn't be "here" now). However, this young woman "did" - and it was the direct actions of these bullies that drove her to do so. If they hadn't bullied her, would she be dead "now" (or not). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to answer this question. I don't know where you're from, and I DO know that bullying goes on everywhere. However, this "mindset" runs deep here (Massachusetts). So many people back there think they are "tough". Everything back here is "who you know"? We've got corrupt politicians that get away with behavior that would never be tolerated in other states I've lived in. We've got parents in the MOB; yes, even today, almost every neighborhood in metro Boston has some "MOB" presence - even if it is just petty stuff like gambling. Google "Carmen The Cheeseman" and ask if "this" (what you "see") is typical of most American cities in 2010? No, it's like something out of a movie. In many ways, Boston is still stuck in the 1930s with corruption and graft. Regardless, my point is that this state is just NOT a nice place to raise kids unless you've got the connections that get YOUR kid "taken care" of (at school) - not just with bullying, but with getting a good education as well. If not, you (as a kid) are just "invisible". The same is true for you (parent) as well. "Know someone" and you are "taken care of" with a nice cushy government job like "Supervisor of Weights and Measures" (do nothing all day - collect 100K), state police job, fireman job, etc. Many people elsewhere don't know it, but many cops and firefighters back here make well over 100K - and "it's all who you know". Phoebe's death (life) can't be for nought. She deserves OUR support; this child should be sitting down to supper right but and she's laying in a grave because a bunch of F'n a'holes.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:22:11 PMThis is truly what America has come to. Although at some point in your life You are responsible for the choices you make, a LOT has to do with how you are raised. I think not only these cruel children, but their parents as well should be punnished for how they behaved. Be a responsible human! Controll your children! Discipline them and teach them an appropriate way to behave.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:22:55 PMYes Truth, the parents should be right next to their daughters doing the same "time". If parents were put in the stocks for their kids' behavior, we'd see none of "this" going on. I (you - society and YOUR kids) should not have to suffer because adults don't (won't) parent their kids. For every kid who is "trouble", there is a parent(s) NOT doing their job.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:29:19 PMnice try garry you fucking liar. you must be from the family. Funny how i talked to the little bitch
Posted 02/05/2010 at 06:50:49 PMBeyond tragic. These kids need severe punishment and so do their parents.
Posted 02/05/2010 at 08:29:56 PMI can't get Phoebe off my mind. I pray that parents EVERYWHERE will be aware of what and who there kids are becoming. Don't be afraid to talk to your kids. they NEED it!!
Posted 02/05/2010 at 11:11:55 PMReading some of these postings that stated that Phoebe should have defended herself; Maybe physically or verbally. I watched a few news reports on her. Phoebe probably didn't stick up for herself because she was a tiny little thing. The bullies are a lot bigger than she was, some of the bullies look fat.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 12:29:38 AMWhile it's true that she was a beautiful girl, as everyone seems to be pointing out, it really doesn't matter what she looked like. People are people and deserve to be treated humanly at the very least. Crucifying the mean girls (though they do deserve a severe punishment) won't make Phoebe and her family's pain go away. We need to focus on preventing these situations. We must strive to be kind. A speaker came to my school several years ago and said that he spoke with a teenage boy who attempted suicide. The boy said that he walked down the hallway at school and said to himself that if one person smiled at him he would reconsider killing himself, no one did. We must each strive to be the person that smiles, each small gesture of love matters. As you go about your day remember Phoebe and all the other people who are bullied and try to spread kindness and love. You matter and all the people around you do too. As the awesome band Harry and the Potters sing, "The weapon we have is love."
Posted 02/06/2010 at 12:29:54 AMWhoever feels for Phoebe Prince and other poor kids that ended up like her because of those who bullied them, think that there are still many kids that are bullied every day and maybe this very minute someone somewhere needs help that he cannot get, and earlier or later that will result in another story of a kid bullied to death.
If you wish to find a way to stop consider that the only way to do so is to actually fight back. Of course legally, but fight back through fighting for every kid that needs help. if we sit and wait and think nothing can be done, then nothing will be done. but if we get to unite then we could help. there are all kinds of networks now in the world. creating a network where kids who need help can actually get that qualifying help for free ( psychological, legal, even financial if needed) is something that could make change in the world.
if you wish to help, become a part of something that could be bigger than one person, bigger than ten people, something big enough to make more impact than just sit and pity poor kids that cannot be protected, please join the circle.
http://jointhecircle.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/stop-the-bullying/
this is not spam. this is just the idea to come up with the network that could actually bring something meaningful and save someone else's life.
We need to try and do something. Even if that doesn't solve everything, we need to do at least SOMETHING as there is nothing more horrible than just sit back and watch.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 07:05:17 AMThe writer wrote, “America, it seems, did not give her a very kind welcome.”
This is false. Phoebe Prince had friends, a lot of them actually. She was a smart, pretty, charming girl and a lot of people liked her. It’s unfortunate that those few people that didn’t like her went too far. We are all upset, and we would all like for the girls to be punished, but it’s absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Leave it up to the police. You, from other towns, don’t know a damned thing about what is going on in our community right now. All you know, or all you think you know, is that some poor immigrant was bullied and killed herself.
People of the world, did you know that she had friends? She had a lot of really good friends. We’re all upset by this, so please let us mourn.
KobeWearsAPurpleThong, you said “They should just drop a bomb on that whole snobby, privileged little hick town.”
First of all, that is a threat. I live in that town and as of right now, I’m tempted to call the authorities. Don’t you realize that you’re also being a cyber-bully?
I was a friend of Phoebe’s and she did NOT have a facebook, so anything you hear about that is wrong. She did, however, have a cell phone. Just because those students were, in fact, snobby, that doesn’t mean the rest of us are. Most of us aren’t privileged either, thank you very much. If you came into South Hadley, you would be welcomed with open arms. I know that for a fact because I’ve lived here my whole life and we’ve had a ton of new students who have all made friends easily. Phoebe was one of them.
Elle, you said “Disgusting that the school allowed the winter dance to go on as planned,“ and “Why not cancel it as a gesture of mourning...or, better yet, as punishment? In fact, why not get rid of it completely?”
Well, Elle, what about the children that didn’t know Phoebe? It’s fair to them to not be able to have a cotillion? And as a gesture of mourning, we had grief counselors in the library the day after she passed. We also had a candle lighting and every single day for a week we had a moment of silence for her. And who would it be punishing? The friends of Phoebe, who wanted to be able to forget about her death for one night.
You also said, “Kids obviously cannot handle the intermingling of social hour and academics -- especially since their parents are disinterested in teaching them how to behave like civilized people.”
My parents raised me to be a smart, polite, civilized young woman, thank you very much. I am personally offended by a lot of these comments. I live in this “little hick town” and we are all very upset right now. As for her friends and family, we’re mourning. Let us mourn ALONE. Thank you for your condolences, they are appreciated, but we need to do this alone. The only way we can get better as a community is if we can all be there for each other at a time like this.
E.J., why would you like to know the names of the bullies? So you can come to my town and harass them, thus making you a bully? It’s nice to know you want justice, just don’t be a hypocrite.
Jadensmokes, It’s not a “glorified vacation”. The whole town hates them. Hell, the whole world hates them by now. It’s absolutely anything but a glorified vacation for them.
KPR, fuck us? No, fuck you. I was a friend of Phoebe’s. For Christ’s sake, SHE HAD FRIENDS. Going to a public school had absolutely nothing to do with it. Yes, those girls should and will be punished. No, suspension isn’t enough, BUT THAT’S NOT ALL THEY’RE GETTING. They’re also getting harassed by the whole world. Their punishment doesn’t end with suspension. That’s just for now, until they can figure out a proper punishment.
For your information, Phoebe WAS a smart, charming girl. Her friends would’ve told you that even if she hadn’t passed.
Asif, I offer you my condolences.
Chance, thank you. I think it’s safe to say we all hope she’s in a better place.
The Realist, who are you to even fucking dare to think such horrid things about Phoebe. She did deserve to live, so fuck you.
Lisa, “Who hangs themselves over being bullied?” Phoebe. And a lot of other people.
I cannot read anymore of your comments, for they are making me extremely upset and angry.
Stop referring to this as a tragedy. Let's celebrate her life.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 08:35:03 AMIt must be devastating for those who are Phoebe's relatives and friends to read it and I hope when they do they go through the comments they see, that people are just frustrated with the fact that Phoebe died and this death seems so unfair because the girl is so beautiful. after all she is just a kid who could have had a life.
what makes it even more sad is the fact that all the people who were close to Phoebe couldn't protect her from these little bitches. If she didn't feel alone, she could have still be here.
Perhaps the biggest problem is that when being bullied, you are always on your own and that makes bullies so strong and you are always loosing.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:17:12 AMI agree with the above. If there were other people on her side, like this boyfriend or whoever he was, if he wouldn't let those 4 sluts bully Phoebe, she could have been here. Gone so soon. What a sad story.
tina: I read your blog, i wrote my comments there as well. Hope that works, even though that should be the government's task to fight the crimes, and bullying is one of them. ButaApparently, in this world nothing happens till we act.
In principle, if we all could provide this kind of support to Phoebe when she was alive, it could have changed a lot. even if each one of us passed one dollar we could have hired already a good lawyer who would have gone to the principal and explained him in advance what what kind of consequences his school and him could face if he didn't stop the bullying activities in his school. And I bet that would work as these people only do what they have to do when they are being legally threatened by those who know how to do it within legal frame.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:22:56 AMThis story hit me like a ton of bricks. I had had an average day and then BOOM, I see this story on tv and I am sobbing on my bed. I never cry from news stories, but this somehow made me so sad, and F..ing ANGRY that I can hardly find words right now. I was lucky enough to be one of the cool , popular crowd as a teen, yet we NEVER picked on anyone. Of course football meant nothing in my school, and my friends and I were all about 150 lbs wet, so we could not have been bullies, had we wanted to. BUT THAT's THE THING.... we did not want to. Thank God my high school was pretty decent, although I'm sure mean stuff happened I never knew about. As for the girls who did this, I can not tell you the vengence I want. I nope nobody 100 square miles of this place ever says a kind word to any of the guilty ones until hell freezes over. And the same goes for college. To think they still have showed no remorse and now punched a girl who gave a tv interview! What is going on in this town? They made jokes about the death and are now bragging and taking credit. Makes me wonder if their parents had a clue, the animals they had for children, or if they were simply born pure evil and never had a chance. Call me a hypocrite, but there is no punishment cruel enough for this little clique. I want payback!
Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:46:37 AMI think I have an idea. Let's find out what High School this
Posted 02/06/2010 at 11:01:45 AMPhoebe (who is now resting happy in a beautiful place w/o bullying), would have attended in Ireland or the UK. I'm sure she had plenty of friends who loved cared about her there. Plenty of old friends who probably don't love Americans to begin with. Now let's take that disgusting excuse for humanity and send them packing to Phoebe's "home-court" so to speak. This little clique of murdering trash can spend the last half of their dreamy senior year surrounded by strangers in Europe, whom all know exactly what these "new girls" have done to their old friend. Oh would that be fair play or what? If I was a judge I would make it happen today!
INmourning, get over yourself! This is not about you! You sound like a real jerk in your post. The kind of person who tells everyone at a funeral that they knew the deceased better than anyone and compared such things. So what if people are venting with crazy words. Your town and that school does have problems, nobody said you were the only ones. For you to pick out all the posts you don't like is the last thing in the world you should be doing at a time like this. Call the authoities???Give me a break! It is our business every bit as much as it is yours. This story is the business of every human being on earth. Every teen, parent, teacher, bully, victum, etc! You sound like a 10 year old kid, "I was her friend, I knew her better. it's our town and our problem" It's the world's problem, not just yours. If you were a real friend, you would mourn to yourself not for the world to see with your stupid screen name for self pity and attention.
Posted 02/06/2010 at 11:57:02 AMMy daughter was bullied, especially in middle school. The bullies were girls with older sisters who tormented them and parents who didn't take it seriously or believed they couldn't control their kids once they became teenagers.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 02:58:41 PMI reported one classroom incident to the teachers who hadn't noticed it. But generally, my job was to give my daughter the strength to survive, so I made sure she always had another peer group, outside of the public school, and I told her frequently that on graduation day that HS social structure would vanish. Those girls would no longer be terrorizing everyone and getting "leadership" awards from school officials. It did, to my daughter's amazement and she happily left town for college and adult life.
I'm still baffled on how someone can bully you online, It's just words on a electronic screen, And if parents were doing their jobs and teaching their kids the differnce between the make believe world and the real world, some of this garbage would not happen.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 10:34:38 PMWe've become such a politically correct nation that most people are affraid to say anything because they don't want to be labled. I'm a parent, I have 6 kids all grown, none of them were ever bullied because they knew how to stand up for themselve's and if that didn't work they came to me and I took care of it.
I just went to the parents and explained the situation to them, talk to your kids or be prepared to have everything you have taken away from you in court, you have to sometimes use your enemies weapons against them before you can get their attention.
I don't condone fighting but sometimes the only way to teach a bully a lesson is to punch them in the nose's and telling some parent your going to take what they have worked hard for is that punch in the nose.
Meg, I thing that it is wonderful that you were able to buffer-up your daughter's inner strength & to be there for her.
I want everyone to understand though that bullying doesn't only happen to girls. Since my son entered school I have fought an almost constant against bullying and harassment for my 13 yo son. I am concerned now since he will be entering High School next year. Already, he has been threatened to be dumped in a trash can on the first day of school. Many students consider him a bit of a nerd and it seems he has always been an outcast.
He has always been small & is not athletic which is a major drawback for him in this 'football' town. This small town is so football oriented that the local HS has discontinued the wood shop & automotive elective courses at the high school so that they can focus more on football. There are 13 coaches & coaching assistants at the HS. Tell me what can an average non-athletic student expect in HS? Unfortunately, for my son, more bullying.
My son has a strong sense of character & of what is right & wrong. He is often upset by events that happen to him but he also knows that the kids that harass him are in need of help. (His words, not mine.) He has compassion but no friends. He is not considered 'cool'. He refuses to wear pants that droop off his a** or that droop at all. He is long legged and has had to occasionally wear pants that were too short by today's youth, causing more teasing. But to his credit he has not ever given in to peer pressure.
Through the years, I have been right out there, letting the teacher & the principal know what is going on. I am there in the background most of the time but my son knows that I will be right there 'in the ring, fighting for him, if I need to.
He told me once that that made him feel better. He is surprisingly well-adjusted considering what he has gone through these past 8 years. He has family support & he has teachers that have made him feel like he matters.
Except one. That one teacher set my son's self-esteem back just by being an absolute jerk. She retired at the end of that year but as far as I was concerned it was a year too late!
Why do I mention this? Because the teachers make a difference too. How many of these teachers encourage this behavior by turning a blind eye to what is really going on? How many refuse to see the big picture or take the word of the popular child over the victim? I am not saying that all teachers do this, but even a little can hurt, just as a little can help.
We must be vigilant in protecting our children from all forms of evil in this world. Though it seems I am stating the obvious...how many of us would have thought that one of the evils would be other children?
My heart goes out to Phoebe's family & friends. No amount of words could express my profound sadness nor the shame that I feel that they had to cross the ocean to experience this cruelty here in America.
The perpetrators of this crime will probably never 'get it'. They are proud of their accomplishment & what are their parents saying? Not much I am sure. And if they are it is a little too late now. The shame and the blame rests as much on their shoulders as their children's.
God Bless & Rest in Peace, Phoebe.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:16:54 PMIf you ask me, those involved in bullying incidents where a student commits suicide or is killed because of bullying should face criminal charges as if they had done the deed themselves. Maybe not murder, but manslaughter.
Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:28:43 PMI graduated from high school in 2008. Girls are very vicious and cruel now, i wouldnt blame the parents for things like this. The girls who did this may even had been bullied at home by their parents or siblings. We all have a voice. Administrators, teachers whoever don't do anything to prevent bullying, but maybe a class saying dont bully others, etc. but they do not enforce this. Kids in my school were TERRIBLE. I won't lie i probably was mean to certain kids here and there but i was bullied when i was younger which made me grow to have a voice and be the tough kid in school knowing that no one would say anything to me. I would almost get a fight close to once a week in school, and teachers would look the other way till the screaming got to the top of our lungs or a punch way thrown. They dont care they get paid either way, if there is one to 20 kids in a class. They go home and can sleep fine every night, when there are millions of kids out there going home crying themselves to sleep at night. And everyone on this site keeps giving out the names of the bullies, and now addresses and phone numbers of the girls, we are trying to teach not to bully when now you people are giving out this information for these girls to be harrassed and bullied themselves, you might think giving them a taste of their own medicine will change them, in reality your just giving fuel to the fire. It is completly ridiculous. All of us apparently still have a lot more growing up to do! Teach your own kids not to bully and let them know you are there to listen and not be afraid to use their voice, and acknowledge the problem. Even though I know they all are scared to open their mouth cause then they think they will be bullied more for saying anything. Kids will not change, this is the society they are brought up in, and even worse the tv shows are giving off horrible examples to these kids. Apparently parents aren't teaching kids to think before they speak, or treat others the way you would want to be treated, and to not judge others. Jealousy is a mind sickening disease. And we all are jealous of someone for something, if its the clothing people wear or how they look or in this case getting a date with someone they like. There are many other fish in the sea. Kids should be worried on making a future for themselves in this economy, instead of boys, cause boys will not get you anywhere. Really, would you rather be poor from not getting an education cause all you can do is judge others and not worry about yourself and get the guy you want. You're in high school, it's not love.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:45:57 AMThat's just... Wrong. I know this is probably an old article, I found it while reading another article that linked to this one... But still. American society is just so desensitized, we don't care anymore. Its really all $****ed up.... Ok, sure, I'm male, I'm only 21, but us guys got bullied too in high school. The way I dealt with it was to develop a demeanor that told the other kids I'd execute them if they kept it up, supplemented and proven by the fact that I actually stood up for myself and did some permanent damage to a jock's knee. Accidently of course, but it was enough to get people to leave me the hell alone.
To be honest, I've seen other people just stand up for themselves, and that was more or less the end of it. We need to teach our kids how to be strong, to defend themselves from bullies, and shrug off the insults. America is so focused on society's views of ourselves, that we lose who we really are, before we even become us.
All I know is when I have kids, I will teach them wisdom, common sense, and at a young tender impressionable age, probably 9 or so, drive them through a ghetto to show them what sort of people bullies become. That last bit could be traumatizing, perhaps, but necessary measures to ensure a good life. Even if I become rich off my company, I'll still limit them to the allowance I had as a poor child, and tan their hides depending on how bad they've been. Groundings will occur regularly, and regular trips to psychiatric clinics, rehab clinics, ghettos, and other places will be common occurrence to keep their eyes open about their world and their future. Disagree with me all you want, it's necessary to keep kids on the right track these days due to peer pressure... oh, and they'll know how to fight should one of these sorts of b****es try to start something, and exactly where to hit.
Parents need to give a damn about their kids. Most parents let TV do the teaching these days. What sorta girls to little girls see on TV? They see shows like The Mean Girls, and other such. It's just damned disgraceful the values in our country have disappeared. Any parent to one of these sorts of children should be ashamed, and probably forced through a me grinder whilst alive. Sorry if that's gruesome for a lot of you but damn if I'm not tired of hearing this shit.
Signed,
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:56:08 AMA most fed up young wise one.
I heard about this story awhile ago, and it's absolutely crushing. I wish she were still alive, or that she'd never come to America. It always gets me when people come here for a better life, and instead they're brutalized and killed. Happened to a young Irish man in California, I heard awhile back. He was knifed. Different scenario, but it hurts the same to hear about two young people coming over here in hopes of something better, and instead, this... It's so sad.
But after reading all of these comments. [Well, skimming. There's a lot.] I have to say, I find it remarkably disgusting how much unbridled hatred is coming from -adults- and being directed at teenage girls. The perpetrators did an awful, ugly thing, and posting on the memorial page with more hatred was just beyond disgusting... But more than a handful of people here have suggested that these girls should be RAPED. What the hell? Are we really that barbaric, that we would call for the rape and torture of children? You can't have ever known someone who's been raped if you believe that it's EVER appropriate or deserved to face that horror and pain.
That more than anything makes me want to puke. All of you talking about beating them, stoning them, lynching them, what do you expect that would accomplish? A girl is dead, because she was treated like garbage, and your solution is to treat the bullies like sub-human waste? They're children. They're people's daughters, and they have an entire life ahead of them to think about what they've done.
Gross seeing so much hatred around all this. I wish the best to all people involved, including the girls who maliciously ruined Phoebe's life. I hope they change, but even if they don't, it is NEVER okay to brutalize another person, even if they are horrible.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:59:06 AMTeen girls all over the fuckin united states are commiting suicide!! but no one knows the reason for half of them!!! probably cause they were all also bullied, yes this is fuckin horrible that this has happened but honestly why dont we make a fuckin post for every god damn girl that has commited sucide go to their high school see if anyone had bullied them and suspend them all i mean jesus christ people this is disgusting!!! we all sit here talking shit about these girls that we know NOTHING AT ALL about!! they may have had horrible home lives, what happned is terrible dont get me wrong, but suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, if the bullying had gotten that bad and you say nothing that is your fault, god gave u a mouth and voice for a reason... TO USE IT!!
Posted 02/08/2010 at 02:59:33 AMDoes anyone remember the girl that gotten beaten almost to death in Florida? By girls who were supposedly her friends? They all were suppose to be punished as adults but they didn't!! one got maybe a year jail time and all the rest got some probation, and they actually beat the shit outta this poor girl, now thats someone i feel extremly sorry for, but she didn't beat herself. So honestly keep throwing your two cents on this website cause its doing nothing but making you look like a jackass sayin they should be stoned, raped, murdered executed or go to jail for manslaughter. when all they did was talk shit and make threats. they didnt kill this girl. all of you say what should be done to the bullies, but what if your child ends up being one of these "bullies", would you still call for the same punishment as these girls? no, you may say you would but when it actually came down to it, you wouldnt want your child in jail or to be murdered. we have things called the bill of rights, where the first one is the FREEDOM OF SPEACH. we all hear things we dont like, let it come from our president, the media, our peers, but just because we trash talk all of them the dont take their lives. i mean seriously look at Clinton, great fuckin president yea he cheated on his wife, and so do half the men in the united states, and we all talked a whole bunch of shit about him but he didnt kill himself, he kept our country strong. You all say america has no morals, well your very hypicritcal cause none of you have any either, posting things on these girls, your just giving them fame and glory, maybe its what they wanted, just like the girls in florida, they video taped it and wanted it to go on youtube to become famous, and it did, and they will all be known for it. but if they didnt get charged will attempt in murder and get a longer sentence, what do you really think these girls will get for not even touching her? when she could have changed her phone number and delted her face book account if it got that bad, but no one really thinks about any of these things, they see something terrible happen, but never go back and look at would could have been done to prevent this. this whole this is fuckin ridiculous, yes i feel horrible for the family, but really if she didnt voice what had happened, nothing will be done about it. they could go to court deny it all. then leave and tell everyone the truth and say they did it, but its called double jeopardy you cant be charged for the same thing more then once, they will get away, maybe with some community service or a year probation, but shit thats not even that bad, you could beat your wife and get a year probation. the court systems suck and so do the school systems. things wont change unless the parents change it, it gets worse every generation, we all say it should stop but really who does anything to help stop it? no one. irish girl on here says we are narrow minded and all this shit, well if ya dont like it get the fuck outta the country. we sit here helping every other goddamn country but cant help ourselves, maybe if we worried about america and not every other country, we would have more money, more money means less hours parents have to work to support their family, which means more quality time with their kids to talk and be there for support, which may prevent bullying, but no one thinks of these things, just how horrible the situation is.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 03:48:53 AMYes Kate,
If every parent took the time to understand the school system's procedures on altercations and talk to their kids about bullying they would find out very young that bullying will not be tolerated, from their classmates. Knowing that if a kid is being bullied and has the balls to stand up for themselves, both kids usually get the same punishment b/c the adults really don't know what happened and bullies usually lie, thus adding to the bullied kids' sense of zero control over the situation.
I told my daughter when she was in second grade how to handle a bully. You have to outsmart the bully and the school system. When you are at recess and no one is looking, take a nice sharp rock and jam it into your forehead until you bleeding really well (only the forehead so as not to scar another part of your face you can't cover up with your bangs.) Then, secretly get close to the bully with no one paying much attention and point and scream at the bully until the teacher sees. Since you are the only one with the physical injury, only the bully will get in trouble. This will surely put the bully off because they will realize how much smarter others are than them or just have the shit scared out of them b/c they will think you are insane.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 04:04:23 PMThere's so much ire directed towards these bullies because of what they choose to set into motion. They couldn't predict she would commit suicide, but they did realize the effect of stalking and harassment would be on this girl's esteem. They took pleasure in tormenting her for not falling into their social pecking order. This isn't some teenage spat that blew over, but a campaign of stalking and intimidation. An adult who did this to a coworker could be prosecuted.
These bullies choose the path of deliberate cruelty and
they need to be expelled. They are a symptom of the school's inability or unwillingness to deal with this problem, which is the overall concern here.
I would like these girls to develop a conscience someday, but I personally don't wish them well. With the exception of some insight or maturity, bullies do not fundamentally change their thought processes. Sometime in their lives, they may meet with someone who will treat them as wretchedly as they treated Phoebe and then they will complain and whine.
The most publicly notable lifelong achievement for Ashley Longe, Shannon Charon, Flannery Mullins, and Kayla Narey will be that they tormented a girl to death. Congratulations, those girls should be proud!! Their names will always be connected to Phoebe's death, and any future acquaintance and employer can simply Google their names and discover what vile flotsam they were. Who wouldn't want to be friends with or employ such sensible, empathetic women? How will they deal with the adult world, that doesn't hand you everything you want when you try to bully your way in?
Tragic that Phoebe will never become an adult and look back at this in hindsight and context. What ever potential she had is now lost, both to her and to her family.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 05:11:35 PMWOw thats scary. I'm sorry she had to go through all that. I think they need to arrest the girls (Popular girls) for doing that, I know their mean and all but you don't have to hate someone for not being "popular" and dating a football player, big deal. But Yeah like I said before Arrest those dumb girls for doing that, thats just wrong, and it ruined a life because of that.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 05:37:36 PMThis just another example of people understanding the horrors of bullying. When do we say enough is enough! My heart goes out to this family.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 06:59:15 PMIt seems to me that school are so worried about the students succeeding academically, but when it comes to character it is "lip service." I see all these bully posters in schools but it seems to be just for show. The habitual bullies get sent to the office and get a slap on the wrist, while their victims go home in despair. Where is the school board and the local politicians. We can only pray they some place looking over bullying policies.
Posted 02/08/2010 at 09:31:05 PMThese girls should be black listed everywhere they go. even after all legal action is taken they should be not only expelled but prevented from getting into any good colleges or getting any good jobs ever. they are evil little scum who will grow up into evil little women. screw them
Posted 02/09/2010 at 08:12:19 AMblack list them for life
I live in New York, was shocked to stumble over this story, Shocked not only for the tragedy of it all, but for the fact that it received ZERO coverage here (and I assumed the rest of the nation).
Can anyone honestly say that if this was a Muslim or African student who was so harassed this would not be national news headline news? Guess calling someone an "Irish Slut" doesn't count for much in this society with our media, but making remarks about the Rutgers Women Basketball team can get you fired. So much for Political Correctness (Oh its Political, but seldom correct).
Posted 02/09/2010 at 01:45:06 PMI feel sooooo bad for Phoebe,I cant believe that people would do such horrible stuff to such a sweet, innocent,15 year old girl.
Posted 02/09/2010 at 06:47:20 PMLucy,
Posted 02/09/2010 at 06:59:34 PMBelieve it, as long as there are people like mcr in our world who would hurt the defenseless, there will always be pain in our world.
Why does the world have to be so hateful? She was pretty, she was young, I'm sure she was kind. This world disgusts me.
Posted 02/10/2010 at 11:33:01 PMIf you neglect your dog, knowing he has a temper (and believe me you know your dog) and he bites someone, you get charged.
I think the same should be done with parents of bad kids. Kids aren't born bad, sorry. They are shaped by parenting or the lack of it. Why is it, that we have licenses to drive cars and boats, because without them we might hurt other people, yet there are no requirements to raise children. None. Often kids happen accidentally.
If you don't believe an child upbringing is the single biggest cause of children acting out, and I'll show you a bully and introduce you to his dad. The dad, I guarantee it will be an aggressive, macho, high arousal drunk. Or some variation thereof. This isn't rocket science people, we're not discovering shit here - we are simply connecting a few dots.
This stuff will continue as long as parents we don't regulate parents more. And why the f don't they teach mental health in schools? how about consellors for kids to get out their demons when they can't go to their parents? we need not only more of that, we need it to be mandatory. You MUST spend an hour a month with a psychiatrist. The healthy kids get good conversation, and the messed up ones get insight and big dysfunctions nipped in the butt. If I was president, things would be different, starting with more intervention in broken homes.
Posted 02/11/2010 at 01:31:44 AMyou guys are horrible fighting over spelling on a page about a girl that hung herself . Show some respect .
Posted 02/11/2010 at 09:13:52 AMThese days and ages you would think they would start enforcing the zero tolerance bullying rule in more schools. in my daughters school, if a child is bullied he/she can go to the teachers and/or principal and tell them who it is and that kid will get a warning, if it continues they get expelled. many parents dont agree with this method but that is why it is called zero tolerance. the problem is eliminated and the victim feels safer. my daughters previous school could not "control" the bullying that went on. which to me is bullsh*t, if you cant control it than whose to say what else cannot be controlled, if you cant control your own school than maybe you should find another day job. its unfortunate what happened to this poor girl, myheart breaks for her family. as for the family of the bullies, your kids will forever walk around with that guilt in their hearts even though they arent showing any now. i am a firm believer that the sins of many parents often fall on the child so i really hope these bullies realize that when they themselves become parents.
Posted 02/11/2010 at 01:48:30 PMi also find that the parents of the bullies either turned the blind eye or felt that "kids will be kids" attitude. if this wasnt a wakeup call that the school system needs to enforce the zero tolerance bullying rule than those school officials are just as blind as the parents of the bullies. to those who are wondering what that rule will do, that rule will show the bullied that something will be done and that school can be their sanctuary and show the bullies that their actions will always have a severe consequence. it will also be a major wake up call to the parents of the bullies. our kids have a right to feel safe in the place that is giving them their education to help them evolve into the adults will become. i find it sad when people come to america for a better life only to have it cut short.
Posted 02/11/2010 at 02:35:42 PMFlat out these girls should be prosecuted and convicted but even more so, so should their parents, and with civil suits to boot. Garbage like this comes from garbage and all should be held accountable, including the school officials too, or nothing will change.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 08:36:54 AMI wish these whitless and brainless girls would try bullying somebody who is not afraid to tell them what they think (sick individuals) maybe facebook should be monitored for these type of comments--or have a law where this kind of bullying needs to be stopped. I wonder what kind of parents raise these kids that can be so cruel to someone else. they feel big when there is more than one of them but usually are chickens when they are alone. I hope God can forgive you--because a lot of people can't. These bullies also need some mental health help-normal people do not get there kicks by picking on someone who they know they can bully and won't say anything to them. Please bully someone who is as sick as you are.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 02:44:01 PMHas anyone heard anything like this article from Ireland that alleges Phoebe Prince was chased around the perimeter of South Hadley High School before going home to hang herself?? Does South Hadley HS have video cameras on campus?? If so, who is responsible for watching and collecting the tapes? If there are cameras, were the video-tapes kept? If so, who has custody of them now??
Suggestion for someone from South Hadley: put in a public records act request for copies of the video tapes.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 04:47:48 PMhttp://www.irishcentral.com/news/Bullied-Irish-suicide-girl-Phoebe-Prince-was-chased-around-school-perimeter-84119642.html
As someone who immigrated to the US in grammar school from a European country, I can attest how terrible young American kids can be to immigrants/ foreigners... they carry it out of the household, all the hatred, bigotry toward someone notlike them...
I went to a private Catholic school and was the single bilingual, immigrant and I got 8 years of getting beaten up in the gym locker room and being called a cunt, a polak and told to go back on the boat..
all from kids who were under 13 at the time.
America home of the free.. yea right.
Posted 02/12/2010 at 10:58:23 PMlot of suicide accident happen and happen again...it's our responsibility to stop it...to prevent it...to lead the kids and teen to do the right thing...
Posted 02/13/2010 at 03:55:09 AMI feel so sad for this young lady and her family. These young women should be tried for murder, as that is what this was. I graduated highschool a few years ago and administrators are just too afraid to punish students for fear of beign sued by their parents. But where were Pheobe's parents? Why couldn't they tell? Why had NO ONE done something about this before it got to this point. It makes me sick to think there are human beings out in the world like this. I hope those girls rot in Hell.
Posted 02/13/2010 at 07:28:04 PMAs for the school, I hope they sue the hell out of you for NOT punishing these bitches.
she was a little hottie
Posted 02/13/2010 at 08:54:24 PMokay girls at south hadley seirously need help if they kept that shit up after she died.she came over from the other side of the world.like people should have gave her a break.she came to somewhere new and people treated her like shit.people need to grow up if this was over a boy.those girls ruined phoebe's life they took it from her and i hope they feel like shit on the inside cause that was so meesed up of them what they did.
R.I.P Phoebe Prince
Posted 02/14/2010 at 12:18:18 PMi can't believe this. shes so beautiful
Posted 02/14/2010 at 01:17:19 PMKate...unfortunately, your simple solution is misguided and naive. Do you really think that 'opening' her mouth would have been successful as a deterrent to the bullying? The results...school officials that would have turned a blind eye and the reinforced ire of those doing the bullying. Much the same impact as the restraining order. Not only ineffective but often counter-productive and further inflaming the situation.
I sense a bit of blaming the victim in your post. As a physician, I see that defense mechanism quite frequently. It's misdirected. I do agree, much of this internet ire is premature in that the facts have yet to unfold. If they do play out as has been suggested, however, the victim blame game, actually blaming a 15 year old child, for failing to raise her voice and instead choosing to take her life in the shadow of relentless bullying and torment...well, as noted, the blame is being wholly and unequivocally misdirected, sadly. The system needs rehashed and the consequences need reworked, but as it stands, there is little that can be done on the part of the actual victim in these cases.
As for the other kids that commit suicide...I agree, they do need the same attention and the root cause needs to be identified and addressed. Nonetheless, that is somewhat irrelevant in that it takes nothing away from this case nor can it be used to lessen the emotional response to this instance. Nor should it. The degree of emotional response is appropriate and, to be quite frank, long overdue. If for nothing else, to bring the root problem to an even more open light so that it can be addressed on a national level. If the inferred story is close to what actually transpired then no amount of fury and ire can be considered too great. The community should be outraged. Bring all the attention we can to this one instance. No, it won't bring this young lady back, but it will bring attention to a problem that must be addressed.
But please, let's not make the misguided problem of placing blame on the victim or the naive suggestion that raising one's voice was a simple solution to this problem. It's just so misdirected.
Posted 02/14/2010 at 04:55:01 PMPlease Note: Another sad result of this incident is that the phone number and address being propagated on the internet and on this site for Ashley Long actually belongs to seriously ill 70 year old woman who is now being harrassed.
Posted 02/15/2010 at 12:32:23 PMSite manager/administrator please in honor of Phoebe Prince remove the phone number ending 4441 for Ashley as it is not her number. The harrassment this elder is recieving is just as disgusting and cowardly as the bullying that was done by ashley. Police are now investigating posters of this information and requesting site administrators to remove this inaccurate information.
This is so unbelievable awful. Rude taunts and things like that, can and will shatter a soul. That is one hundred percent the truth. I'm just horrified that she did that to herself, that she was so beaten down by them that it resulted in a sweet, innocent girl killing herself to escape the pain of it all. It's bad enough when you have one student bullying you, but when so many girls are doing it, then it's awful. Plain awful. Those students that did that to her, they may not have hanged her themselves, but they might as well have been. They were the cause. They couldn't get over their petty issues wit her, and it resulted in a sweet girl ending her life and ending her future goals as a person. I hope that those students are expelled from the school. In no way should they be allowed on that school after what they did. It's just sickening! They should face some criminal action against them. They should be treated as adults. It's happened before where a student is tried as an adult.
Posted 02/15/2010 at 01:55:06 PMthis hopefully will show those girls that they need to stop there shit before they kill anyone else. cyber bullying is the worst because you can't actually see the expressions on the girls faces.
Posted 02/15/2010 at 05:19:33 PMShe was beautiful. Inside and out. Rest In Peace Phoebe, I miss you so much
Posted 02/15/2010 at 11:28:45 PMMost bullies are the product of bad parenting. Some of the bullies that I knew years ago are now dead, in jail, or have/had cancer or incurable illnesses. What goes around, comes around.
Parents, use the Bible and hands-on parenting, specifically, physical punishment. Spanking the behind and slapping the mouth is Bible-recommended discipline. Obey the Word of God, or you will face eternal damnation. Use the rod to teach them well, and save their souls from the fires of Hell.
Posted 02/16/2010 at 03:45:45 PMWhy not just take your kids out back to the woodshed every night, WGA? Oh wait... you don't have any kids. If you did, they'd be in foster care and you'd be in jail.
Which is where the SHHS bullies belong, imho.
Posted 02/16/2010 at 04:18:59 PMI'm starting to think that good kids should start being taught self defense. And not defensive martial arts. I'm talking offensive, in your face martial arts. Girls especially could use it....
Actually, why don't parents enroll their kids in martial arts classes if their kids are being bullied? Community Centers usually have them for tenths of dojos; and the arts teach kids discipline, self respect, and of course, self defense.
As for Phoebe Prince, this is a fucking shame. One look at her picture and I could see she'd have been a drop dead gorgeous lass had she grown to age. I hope the authorities send these bitch girls to jail. For a long while.
Posted 02/16/2010 at 10:07:15 PMThis story breaks my heart. Rest in peace Phoebe, God bless your innocent fragile soul. It is obvious she was too nice because she didn't rat on those horrible girls and she probably felt life was not worth living if such ignorance and in humanity exists. It really is sad that she felt the only way to end the bullying was to end her life. To everyone and anyone who gets bullied, don't let them win don't let them get to you. As for the girls who tormented her I hate to say it because I don't wish this behavior to my worst enemy but reality is KARMA'S A BITCH, everytime something happens to you, you will think of Phoebe it will haunt you for the rest of your life.
Posted 02/17/2010 at 05:53:38 PMGod I wish I knew the people who did this those girls..I hope the rot in hell...they drove poor phoebe to suicide...and then the made fun of her even after she died...I cried when I read this...If I ever met these girls...god I would beat the fuckin shit out of them...and I am not a violent person..
Posted 02/17/2010 at 08:31:31 PMWhat happened was tragic and there is no getting around that. I do think that suicide was a little over the top no matter how bad the bullying was, honestly I've heard much worse cases of bullying, in fact I've seen it myself.
Don't get me wrong here, I think it's just as terrible as anyone else, and the girls "responsible" should have been punished to some degree, but suicide over bullying is ridiculous, and I think that there had to have been something more to it. I don't think I can see suicide over a year(at most) of name calling and possibly even threats, unless the individual was already in an extremely fragile state. So to me it just doesn't fully add up. I once again don't want to sound like an inconsiderate jerk, but it still was Phoebe's choice to commit suicide, no one can make you do it, and saying that way is ignorant.
My conclusion is that this situation is terrible and something that no one deserves but it's a part of life and human nature. I don't think it's reason enough to kill yourself, and I don't think that you can 100% blame the mean girls for it either. Just my thoughts.
Posted 02/17/2010 at 09:45:49 PMits no right bullying need to stop poeple are sick twisted pour phoebe she didn't get to to live her life those people that took her life away they dont understand what they did but even after she died they still made fun of her its not right if i saw her if i was in her skool i would stood up for her she shouldn't have died and she would be still alive but i hope she is in a better place take care phoebe i hope those poeple should be feel bad what they did to you. its never right to hurt other people's feeling but she better place now but its still not right r.i.p phoebe prince
Posted 02/18/2010 at 04:53:25 PMThis was wrong those girls will regret it I know it you know it and they know it. yal
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:09:35 PMsorry febe prince this was very bad you girls suck
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:12:25 PMwhat the hell is those girls problems those bicthes will regret that but phoebe is now in a better place RIP phoebe prince
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:15:55 PMRIP:( This is sad. It is sad she killed herself but sh shouldn't have listened to the evil horid witches.I know a lot about bullies i still see bullies but i had to learn to stand up tell or egnore. Poor phoebe she just wanted to exsperience america, look were she ended up.Those girls fall asleep knowing the killed Phoebe so know what i am not going to beat them up i know it is beating them up inside of them.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:23:14 PMRIP:( This is so sad. The poor girl shouldn't have killed her self but why didnt she egnore those evil girls. I have been bullied and i know bullies they are evil and they like when you give into there plan. She should have either egnored them stand up for yourself or tell on them( I know the last thing any kid wants to do it tell and be a tatle tale but you know what you have to)
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:31:19 PMNow i want to say one important thing I am not going to say that i want to beat those girls up because i know they go to sleep thinking they made Phoebe die and that is beating them up every moment every second. They see all these coments and they know so i won't beat them up i just know Phoebe dieing is.
Stefanie is right it will haunt them
Posted 02/18/2010 at 06:42:03 PMwhat jerks, don't they realize they took an inidicent girls life just to make themselves "cooler" in my book, that doesnt make them cooler, it makes them jerks. they should be expelled and put in jail for a couple years what they did to this girl, thats wrong. R.I.P. Phoebe Price :'(
Posted 02/18/2010 at 08:53:50 PM:'( How aweful! I hope those little bitches burn in hell for eternity for what they did to that girl. And the adminstrators and faculty at that school should all be jailed for never taking notice or doing anything about it. Those girls should have been expelled years ago!
(To Tom at the top - kinda missing the point there, a girl killed herself, no one cares about weather Pete used correct english or not, no one is perfect!)
Posted 02/18/2010 at 09:28:02 PMThis really is a messed up story. there was another young girl who commited suicide by hanging herself because of internet bullying by the name of meagan meier in 2007 she was only 13!. same kind of situation, and yet these schools dont see a problem? if they do they have a funny way of putting a stop to it.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 09:29:38 PMFirst of all TOM - who cares what the difference is between hung and/or hanged. We are talking about the death of a child here. Don't be so petty. Have some respect.
Posted 02/18/2010 at 11:11:26 PMKPR - your remark about how this wouldn't happen if this were a private school is ridiculous. This is the same for most schools. The kids need to educated properly about bullying and it should start in the home.
Its disgusting, and it breaks my heart. I was bullied all through secondary school and it had a profound effect on me. I teach my child all the time to stand up to bullies, and never to stand by or take part but to always stick up for your friends. But I can tell you something if this ever happened to my child I would never let the scumbags who are responsible ever forget what they did for the rest of their lives. Just like the kid who is now on a sex offenders list till he reaches 45 years of age for sexting nude photos of his girlfriend. He is 18 years old, she was 16 and he made a stupid mistake and will pay for it for a very long time. His life is ruined but he is being held responsible for his actions.
This should be the case here. Those tramps from that school should be named, photos put in the paper, and charged. They should be held responsible because they caused that childs death. They should never be allowed to forget that.
And for what, because they were jealous of the new little Irish girl on the block. What a terrible shame, and for people to say that she should have stood up to them and not have committed suicide - well yeh, you can say that now but nobody knows what that poor child went through on a daily basis and the pure fear she was experiencing from these low life pieces of trash.
They are nothing but cowardly scumbags that hide behind their FB pages. Well Karma is a bitch and its gonna come back and bite those little bitches in the ass. I hope you will see her face in your dreams for the rest of your sorry lives.
Phoebe's family - I am so sorry for your loss. You will always be in my thoughts and prayers.
God bless you and keep you, sweet Irish girl from Co. Clare.
Go mbeannai Dia Thu
thoes vile,mother fucking,asshole girls...if i knew who they were, i would give them a pieve of my mind TO THEIR FACES! that just pisses me off!
Posted 02/19/2010 at 05:55:34 PMWhat the hell?
Posted 02/19/2010 at 06:21:42 PMEven after she killed herself, they were still saying stuff?
If my daughter ever did anything like that, still make fun of a dead girl, I would send her to military school. That second.
Here is an idea, line up the bullies, and shoot them in the forehead. That would solve the problem. I think everyone would be just fine w/ getting rid of these excuses for human excretement.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 10:28:53 PMThis is a horrible thing that happened, rest in peace Phoebe Prince. You will forever be in my thoughts.
But with such a depressing article that has a lot to do with cyber-bullying, there is a lot of it going on in the comments down here. For example, retard & faggot were two of the things that I saw that were said just in the first few comments. That's ridiculous, and really the cause isn't getting through to the people in America.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 10:59:53 PMThis is an awful story. Karma will catch up with the evil girls who bullied her. Trust that.
Posted 02/19/2010 at 11:56:56 PMThese damn little bitches need to be punished for this. Jail would be perfect for them. I hate how some people say "bullying is human nature" we've evolved enough to know that it's wrong. No need for it, these girls knew exactly what they were doing was wrong. As far as I'm concerned, these girls did more than bully her, they were harassing her (following her around, trying to harm her physically by throwing things at her). That in itself is grounds for suspension from school, and having charges pressed against them. What goes around, comes around. R.I.P Phoebe, you didn't deserve this.
Posted 02/20/2010 at 12:24:48 AMThose girls are absolutly horrible. I'm almost 17. i attempted suicide in Feb of '09 because of bitches like them. Thats absolutly rediculous. i took 15000 mg of tylenol. i made it out alive, how? i have no idea. pheobe deserved better. and i see that many people are disgusted with the cause. i am too. i see no reason to tear someone down. and the fact that they KEPT sending messages like that. i hope someday they face what i had to, what Ms. pheobe had to and all of those young men and women had to. Lets see them survive it. If anybody wants to talk. i'm free to talk. email me at daddiesgirl2@sprint.blackberry.net
Posted 02/20/2010 at 03:09:21 PMi'd love to chat.
and another thing...Tom... get over yourself. whether the english is 'correct' is irrelevant...how'd you feel if you had a little girl that killed herself because of fuckers like those girls, and some smart ass decided to correct the english? Really? dude seriously. and WGA... not everybody is religious...not everything is religious. as well as...they shouldn't be expelled, those girls...what happened.. is horrible...manslaughter is more like it. i guess most people are about revenge. not about truth, and justice. the day i came back from the hospital..i went back to school, everybody found out what had happened, my boyfriends MOM had a big mouth...people told me they wish i would have died. People can be cruel. and nobody can say whether or not this will haunt them for the rest of their lives...they might just be so sick as to not give a damn. and Stephanie...ignoring them doesnt go as far as you think. they keep going. and if their really into it...they won't stop no matter how much you ignore them. kids are just mean. i don't care how old they are, those girls, they should go for life in prison...for manslaughter. if my daughter killed herself...because of girls like them...i'd put those fuckers in the ground. Girls like that put my mom in the ground...my turn. the point is...
Posted 02/20/2010 at 03:40:49 PMTo Pheobes parents
Time doesn't heal the pain, it just numbs it. i'm so sorry you've had to go through this. Many people have supported you. Facebook pages everywhere.
and to Pheobe
Bless you girl!!! youre safe now!!! say hi to my mom! and btw hun, let your mom and dad know your just fine ;)
If you want to raise God-fearing children, START WITH THE BIBLE!! Proverbs 23:13-14 says, "Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell."
Parents need to be more hands-on with their discipling of their children: physical punishment. When children were spanked at home and paddled at school, they were more God-fearing and law-abiding. I do not approve of beating, but spanking the behind and slapping the mouth when it is called for is discipline, not abuse.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 04:17:24 PMWhat a lovely young lady Phoebe was. May her tormenters rot in hell...and hey Tom, may you be "hung" by your balls, if you have any.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 05:48:35 PMI remember being in middle school/early high school and being constantly berated by "popular girls." Everyday I was told I was ugly, poor, fat, and stupid. None of those, except maybe the poor part, were true. I was afraid to go to school. I cried myself to sleep every night. I even got harassed by certain teachers, my mother, and sister as well.
It sucks growing up. Everyday I wanted to kill myself more and more. I'm glad I made it through that. And all I can think of when I read about this and things like this is...this could have been me. That thought alone is terrifying. I wish things would have been different for this girl. She looks stunningly beautiful and I'm sure she had a vibrant personality to match. It is sad to hear about a death of someone so deserving of life.
My advice to anyone who thinks bullying is worth killing yourself over is..."Stop thinking about it, look ahead, focus on yourself and the people who care about you. There is more life beyond 15 or 16. There is more to life." I wish I could have talked to her. :/
The school should have really put in place some helpful suicide hotlines or someone friendly and kind for bullied kids to talk to.
For this school, actions to prevent these things should have been put in place long before this occurred.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 07:58:13 PM@Megan Harris - I completely agree with you. When I was in 6th grade, my once friend started hanging out with all the popular girls and then turned all of my other friends against me. She harassed me incessantly and her and several of the other girls were also at my bus stop, so there was really no escaping it. I told my mom about the harassment and she called this other girl's mom and got nowhere. It didn't stop for a few weeks and then I decided to go home one day and swallow a bottle of approximately 70 aspirin and ended up having to get my stomach pumped after I became violently ill hours later. I seriously thought I was going to die and it scared the shit out of me. My mom relayed this to my teachers at school and they never harassed me again, though they were still little bitches all the way through high school. They're all fat and have no college education and kids now. Yay for them!
Point of the story being, this is our whole world when we're young: school. If we're not happy in school, more than just the normal amount of dread from having to take tests and do work and the like, then we're not happy in life. This story happens all too often. It's happened in almost every town in this country, but only recently have these stories been gaining publicity because of the internet factor. Now there's REALLY no escaping it for these kids. Something has to be done. Kids don't have to be cruel. They're only cruel if you raise them to be little assholes. The parent's of these girls are either turning a blind eye to what their children are or don't care.
Posted 02/21/2010 at 08:22:24 PMMary from Ireland, I only got this story yesterday in the Sunday Tribune & I was disgusted on several levels, firstly, one doesn't move children at a certain age, they have to leave their friends, grandparents, cousins etc. Ireland is the size of a small state over there. I live in Wexford & loads of Dublin families have moved here in the past 8 years, with older children, who couldn't cope with the move & Dublin is only 60 miles away.
So, this girl, at 15, had to move to a completely different culture & cope at 15 years old. I'm not blaming the parents, they possibly had to move for work, but the poster here (Anna (?)) who asked "Who commits suicide over bullying?" has never been bullied, or ever felt like an outsider, has never been 15 (a tough age).
The largest school in Ireland is in Gorey, Co. Wexford & has a capacity for 1,200 pupils but has 2,000 in it, it's the largest school in Ireland, it's very like your High Schools except less facilities. We had a 14 year old hang herself 2 weeks ago. It is difficult to control & it happens everywhere, the people who are revelling in the death of phoebie need help as much as she did.
Posted 02/22/2010 at 01:26:02 PMI previously posted this at another site regarding this subject but it either did not get posted or mysteriously disappeared.
Bullying is not limited to adolescents. I was bullied and harassed by a group of doctors in Richmond, VA for many years both in work-related environments as well as a patient. At one point I was actually called "a piece" by a staff member of the psychology dept. at MCV Hospital when I worked there as a temporary employee. This after I merely mentioned I had read a particular novel that was very popular at the time and one that the rest of the world was also reading. Obviously I was singled out for this insult. I might add that her title was actually a psychology counselor or at least she had that position). To date I'm sure I have disappointed these human vermin as I was not as vulnerable or emotionally fragile as they thought and have not destroyed myself which I am convinced was/is their objective.
Posted 02/22/2010 at 01:52:40 PMBullying, the only thing that parents are afraid of from their kids going to school. I often when through it from 6th grade through high school. I remember when I went to a new school in 6th grade, all the girls were talking to me. All the guys hated that shit. I was dorky looking kid with a big kid. I was often very quite and mind my own business kind of guy. And still do till this day. But when the guys thought I was a weak target, they picked on me. I was always getting into fights, 2 guys would pick on me, and I would kick their asses, then 3 more guys would come and I still ended up kicking their asses. My dad would just sigh and look down. I'd tell my dad, what am I supposed to do. Stay quite and walk away. I hated it so much, but I did enjoy kicking their asses. This one time when I was in 8th grade, we were supposed to make some speech about something or anything. And of course I talked about bullying. The teacher asked me, what are you going to talk about Mr. Medina. Bullying I said. Everybody just turned to each other. The guys who picked on me started to laugh at me. I smiled. Here what I said: Bullies, the kings of all cowards. I myself is a victim of bullies. But I don't feel like I'm a victim, I'm doing for the people who are inside the classroom and feel victimized. You have to stand up to them, don't be afraid. Unless if they are going to threaten you, run your ass to the office. With that shit, I don't fuck around. (I actually said that in class) Or simply say, "If you don't like me, there's nothing I could do. I don't live just to please you." One day I'm going to write a book about bullies and write about how sick their minds are, win the Pulitzer Prize Novel, get paid, and get laid by some hot ass chick. Any questions? And of course the smart ass bully that I hated the most said: Where did you get that nice faggot red jacket? Michael!! The teacher screamed. It's okay teacher, I'm gonna answer him. I got the jacket from your dad's closet after I had analy fucked your mom in the ass. And of course we got into a fight. All you gotta do is just simply stand up to them. If you kids have a problem, email me at my myspace page.
Posted 02/22/2010 at 09:53:26 PMI think that this problem is expanding because they think they cant be stopped and the school officials need to do something about bullying. what happened to Phoebe was horrible! She moved to America just to die! Those girls shouldnt even be let in school they should be arrested and or expelled, this is an injustice because they should have harsher discipline charges for this. Hopefully they do something to stop this, in my school since this tragic thing happened we have taken it very serious and we're a little bit more mature about it. I actually heard about this in school while we read the article in People Magazine & it clearly says that she wasnt strong enough and would always cry. Everybody would pick on her and never gave her a brake, they always bullied her regardless if it was via text, facebook or in person. This really needs to stop !
Posted 02/22/2010 at 10:24:05 PMAll schools have that problem. All the popular kids always being bullies. It is so sad. My heart goes out to Phoebe's family. I was bullied in school all the time. I know what it feels like. I hope that those kids get what they deserve. I think that all the ones who bullied Phoebe should be expelled. It is so terrible how kids are these days.
Posted 02/23/2010 at 01:08:50 PMTom - your reaction to this article is to correct the writer's grammar? Wow...that is shallow.
This is a terrible, terrible tragedy. I wish Phoebe knew that these girls who tormented her so much would never amount to anything in life. In ten years, Phoebe would have been able to look at them and feel nothing but pity.
Bullies like this from my high school never did anything except make an occasional appearance in the Police blotter. Most have had drug issues...a few are dead already.
Posted 02/23/2010 at 01:40:13 PMThis most certainly does happen at private schools, and worse! The Catholic school I went to, filled with so called Christians, was the most brutal place I have ever been. I would never want to relive those years, the nasty girls, and the nuns, priests, and lay people who looked the other way. Bless this child.
Posted 02/23/2010 at 08:56:21 PMThe parents of the bullies should be absolutely ashamed and maybe even disciplined themselves. Clearly they have raised trash.
Seriously TOM? Going to edit these posts for proper grammar???? Are you kidding??????
Posted 02/23/2010 at 10:11:06 PM>> After the TV crew left, one of the popular girls came up >> and punched the student in the head for talking on camera.
At this point, I don't know what more to say..
Posted 02/24/2010 at 11:52:28 AMI'm 19 and from Offaly in Ireland. I came across this story by accident on facebook earlier today. I read through all the web pages and facebook groups about Phoebe Prince that I could find and find this absolutely heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what she was going through. In a fucked up coincidence Phoebe died a 3 days before a local 15-year-old girl hung herself too. She had been bullied too and viciously too but no-one knew. On the morning she died she received more texts on her mobile from the bullies. The whole area was and still is in shock. Her Month's Mind mass was last Friday evening. It genuinely scares me how badly bullies can impact on people.
I myself was bullied in school, primary and secondary. I was always far from popular, the quiet, shy one, left aside and ignored. I had a few good friends, 2 of whom I genuinely couldn't imagine living without now. I often thought about ending it all and even had a stash of prescription painkillers kept aside for that purpose. When I was 15 in 5th year of secondary school I met a fantastic guy who I spent over 2 years with. It's only thanks to him that I am still here (my parents split around the same time I met him & only for him I don't know if I could have gotten through it), he doesn't know how much he helped me become the person I am today and even though we split 18 months ago he is my best friend & I'm very close to him and his family (his mother told me once I'm like the daughter she never had, I nearly cried!). When I went to beauty college at 17 after my leaving cert (2007) I really became myself. I'm nothing now like the person I was. School is the nastiest place anyone can ever go through, a total heirarchy whereas at college everyones adult & mature. I am much more confident, assertive and outgoing. I have recently secured my dream job, starting in few months and can't believe how much I could have missed out on. My life is far from perfect (last summer drove me scarily back to those places) but I block out the bad times and I work hard at keeping my head up & moving on. Knowing my family and friends will always be there for me means more than anything. Thank God is all I can say.
One of my best friends from school had a horrendious time in the few months before the Leaving Certificate exams. She and a friends ex were gona start seeing each other and when the 'friend' found out it split our group of friends in half. She had to be chaproned from class to class by 2/3 lads or 10 girls, depending on who was in on the day for fear of being beaten up by the bullies who would lie in wait for her. She would have to be snuck into my house every evening for a few hours because the bullies would wait at her place for her. They even verbally attacked my younger brother (15 at the time) for standing up for her. They didn't do it a second time!!! She was verging on suicide too and wanted to move back to Italy (where her family is from but she is Irish first by birth). She met her now fiance in that time and are planning their wedding in Ireland next year. The bullies are in the shit now. Two are on drugs and shacked up with the biggest drug dealers around (one of the boyfriends is in his 30/40s and in jail atm for drugs and attacking a Garda with a cleaver and she is only 19). The three of them bombed their Leavings, one of them copied me in going to beauty school but she got a bad course and is doing badly now. Karma eh?
My only wish is that Phoebe and the girl here could have survived their ordeals. For anyone who thinks things will never get better, it does trust me. There ARE people who love you and will do anything for you. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. You WILL be a stronger person in the long run, it will take time but it's totally do-able. Two things that I have learned over my journey: (1) Everything happens for a reason and (2) No matter how bad it looks, no matter how low you get or how black the hole, it does get better (june to Sept last year in my life proves it 100000%!!). When you feel yourself go into that place tell someone, make them aware. You can get better.
Lastly, to all those who slander or speak ill of people being bullied or suffering from depression, I'm jealous of your ignorance. You have obviously never know what it is like to not be physically capable of getting out of bed in the morning because you just know what that day will bring and simply can't do it. All you do is live for when you can hide away from it all again. I am jealous because when you feel like that, even for a short time, it is terrifying & you can never ever forget it. Unortunately, chances are you are also the people who put the rest of us there and for that I despise you with every fibre of my being.
Rest in peace Phoebe and M
xxx
Posted 02/24/2010 at 08:49:47 PMIt is a tumultuous time in life being a young teenage girl. God Lord, I would never want to go back, and I basically wasn’t someone who was bullied either. You are all feelings, emotions and insecurities. Here was a beautiful young girl who basically moved from another country and started a new life here, started a new school. I am sure she felt a little lost. Unfortunately, these other “girls” preyed upon her. It seems now a days there is an entire new dimension to bullying with the creation of social networking, texting etc. Back in my day you would have someone prank your house or gossip about you. It was much more limited. High school is like its’ own little world. When you are as young a Phoebe you cannot see past that universe. That one day it will be over, gone and done with.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:57:26 AMIt is really very sad. My prayers go out to her family.
Any group that preys on someone weaker whether it is physically or emotionally has serious issues themselves. These girls sound like they are spoiled, bratty vindictive creatures. Girls can be insanely mean, especially at that age but where were the parents when they were younger? I am sorry but that bullying nature to get your way does not come overnight. It is a long evolution of former condoned behavior. Shame on those parents and shame on any faculty members that knew of this and did not step in. If I saw a child on that street getting bullied I would step in (and have) shame to any adult here that turned a blind eye
I can't understand your messages please tell me.
Posted 02/25/2010 at 09:49:40 PMHighschool is just a bad time for everyone. It a super cliquey, you better fit in or else, i know girls that had awful experiences in high school, basically passed around. We had a girl kill herself for same reason in her senior year. Administrators are just their for a check so they don't care. Sounds like these "popular girls" were insecure losers, who were used up by the popular guys. If i had kids behaving like that towards me i'd fucking step in and regulate, you can't let other people dictate your reality.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:04:46 PMTom whats up with you man? are you an English teacher you douche....jeez get over it you stickler.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:13:16 PMYou know Elenore Roosevelt's famous quote " someone can only make you feel inferior with your permission." That is true but this 15 year old girl got caught up in the emotions she was feeling, she saw them as reality itself, which they weren't.She had no chance she was a immigrant girl, she did not know the American high school culture,this story is incredible sad especially when i think about her family. I take some comfort in knowing that the bitches that did this will burn out their looks after age 35 and end up giving guys blow jobs at truck stops and feel some self worth just because the guys got semi-hard. Saying bad thinks about people only 1. creates bad feelings in that person, 2. makes them not want to hangout with you/say bad things about you, 3. make you look insecure. I have never met a cool person that said bad things about people, there is no point in doing it and it comes from an area of conscious or unconscious insecurities.
Posted 02/26/2010 at 10:34:02 PMpoor girl she was very pretty and shes my age 2. i wish i cld do sumting 2 stop all this harrasing/bullying. im going 2 make a difference in my school cuz im in sports so i guess im a "cool kid" but ill be diferent den all da other kids i wont let anybody bully anybody around if my frnds do bully sum 1 ill tell them 2 leave da poor kid alone nd try 2 comfort da victim nd. for the girl i wished she wud of came 2 my skool i wud never let anything happen 2 her nd ill show her wat a real cool football player looks like cuz for now on im gunna b that guy that talks 2 band geeks,emos,immigrants,rockers it dosnt matter i will always b there 4 ppl at school.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 03:42:30 AMLots of updates since the story first made print and the internet.
This past week, the school superintendent announced that some of the students involved will not be returning to school. He refused to say whether they had been expelled but the rumors are that he allowed them to withdraw so that their student records would remain clean.
There was an anti-bullying meeting on Tuesday. When the high school principal was introduced, he was given a standing ovation - first by teachers in the first few rows and then by most everyone else (even tho some of those say they only did it because everyone else was applauding).
Unfreaking believable. You can read more by clicking my name (goes to a wordpress blog) or by going to masslive.com and clicking on the South Hadley link on the left side of the page. My blog has links to various South Hadley facebook pages.
Posted 02/28/2010 at 11:48:36 AMI am an irish girl from Co.Clare Ireland and I think it is a disgrace that those girls were able to go so far without anything to answer for, the teachers did turn a blind eye how could they not see she was being bullied! I was bullied really you in primary school which you start at age 5 and teachers do turn a blind eye. There is safety in numbers! there are more victims that bullys and they should fight back tho some schools have strict rules about that this should be an exception! There is no excuse for her boyfriend who was a quarter back to not stand up for her its just idiocy and cowardiss. Those EVIL girls deserve to be treated exactly how they treated Phoebe!!! and also should spend the rest of their lives in prison because her death is on their hands no matter what anyone else says they drove her to it! Its very sad to know that she will never be able to live and have dreams and achieve them all because of some stupid jealous trashy girls who thought they were better than everyone else and they owned guys even after they were broken up! People need to act more instead of having an article in the paper every time this happens as its not the first and wont be the last!
Posted 02/28/2010 at 01:44:23 PMThese FILTHY little pigs WILL get theirs, despite any lack of action by their pathetic parents or anyone in power. I assure you. Even if it isn't literally the same fate as poor Phoebe, these tw*ts WILL get theirs. I was endlessly harassed in school, and NO one did a THING to stop it. NO ONE. Principals turned a blind eye and told me I was exaggerating, teachers EVEN JOINED IN!! They are all paying somehow today. Believe me. Some of them were fired in a most humiliating, public fashion. A lot of my "peers" who relentlessly hounded and harassed me are living the most pathetic lives imaginable. All of the females and even some of the males who made my life an endless dismal existence during each school day are all in very bad situations. My life is not perfect by any means, but, I am very, very happy and loved. These filthy pieces of sh*t are all severely drug addicted, in prison, prostitutes or dumpy, obese pigs with multiple children that they can not cope with. I usually NEVER judge anyone for their weaknesses or their misfortune, but, the primary culprits in my case were all the popular suburbanites who were all involved in sports/cheerleading and the like, who thought were they lived and how much money their families had made them God. Well, look at them now, let me tell you. They are all strung out and pathetic living the low life in MY city that they used to look down their noses at and make fun of me for being from back then.
It all comes back to haunt you. Use your words wisely. Send your love adequately. Find something to fill your soul so you don't spend your life spewing hatred around and destroying the souls of others. Once again, it WILL come back to rip a chunk out of your behind. These heinous females who led Phoebe to this WILL get theirs. There is no question.
Posted 03/01/2010 at 07:37:26 AMBig Bully, Big Bully, tried to stick a finger in my chest, tried to tell me tell me he's the best , I dont really give a good god dam cause i got my lunchbox and Im armed real well, I GOT MY LUNCHBOX AND I'M ARMED REAL WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!when we are bullied in school the teachers and principals always look the other way because they either dont want to deal with it or dont know how, well my solution was simple PUSH BACK CHILDREN OF AMERICA AND THE WORLD FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!FIGHT!!!
Posted 03/01/2010 at 08:41:41 PMWhere others get off bullying other kids is just crazy! It really gets me mad, I have two kids of my own! One will be starting school in August and the other will be starting the next year! I have taught my kids well, they know not to bully other kids, I have taught them that bullying kids is not nice b/c they don't know what those kids might be going through at home! The kids that bully other kids need to be punished! I wonder what kind of parents they are living with? I know for a FACT I am 24 now and If I dare make a comment making fun of someone, or bullying someone or doing anything mean to someone if my dad or mother found out they would still punish me!! I guess thats the difference with the kids and young girls and boys today, THEY WEREN'T RAISED WELL, and they had no punishment for anything they did! THEY PROBABLY SAW THE SAME STUFF GOING ON AT HOME THAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE KIDS THESE DAYS! Okay im done venting now :)
Posted 03/05/2010 at 05:42:38 PMi hate dum bitchesz who bully ppl they just aint shit in life u cant ever get enough of them ive gone through da same thing also nd let m3 tell ya ihtsz not easy.. im a 14 year old still in middle skool nd graduating in june of this year . but u kno wat fuck these bitch ass hoes they they dont have a life they just uguly stupid selfish jealous ignorant immarture misrible pussy ass BITCHESZZZ!!!!
Posted 03/05/2010 at 07:43:05 PMI can tell you that the people that did all that taunting and hating feel like total crap at this very moment and you are right, what parent raises a kid like that.
Posted 03/05/2010 at 08:48:01 PMi think this is horrible im not that much older than phoebe and have had horrible things said and done to me. this boy was black mailing me and threatning me and making things up and spreading shit and sexually herassing me and it got to the point were i couldnt take it anymore i tried to transfer school and the police even got involved knowing that something as horrible as what happened to phoebe happened not too far from where i live scares me. kids are growing up so fast i walk by little kids and they think they are eighteen and have cell phones and attitudes i havent even seen a 17 year old have, what happened to playing on a swing or kick ball bc i know that when i was 7 and 8 i didnt know what sex or smoking weed and all that shit was, like my 9 year old cousin told me to "suck it" the other day it blows my mind how much kids know these days and something needs to be done about it. the future is doomed if u got a bunch of little asshole running the country. we need to fix kids now before they take on the duty of "being America" !!
Posted 03/07/2010 at 12:53:15 AMBullies should be EXECUTED.
Posted 03/09/2010 at 09:47:26 AMBoys can be as nasty as girls. I myself have a past of being bullied from kintergarden till college. I've never totally recovered since and am still suffering from anxiety and social phobia. Maybe there should be separate schools for nerds and sports-freaks. Or a complete overhaul of the very school-system into something more modern.
It just sickens me to my stomach on just how cruel kids can be to each other.
Posted 03/09/2010 at 10:06:22 PMThe girls who did the bullying were not children- they were 17 years old. 16-17 years old is already grown up. They should be punished the same way a person older than 18 would be punished.
Posted 03/10/2010 at 07:08:46 AMTom, a very early commentator: you posted a comment about the word hanged versus hung. Really. You read this article and that's all you "got" from it? I am very sad. I'm sure Phoebe is thankful you corrected this article's grammar.
Posted 03/12/2010 at 09:06:23 AMtheres no room for bulling in school i wish i could have been a student at that school
Posted 03/12/2010 at 10:51:35 AMpoor thing, i cant believe people can be so cruel , thoses bitches should be charged for murder !!!!! :'(
Posted 03/15/2010 at 06:55:30 PMfor the bullies parents:
it's not that they raised an evil brat... it's because they weren't there at the first place or simply to ignorant to notice their children's craving for attention... and start choosing their friend since early years to ensure they had good peer group..
(peer pressure + absent/ignorant parents + wanted to be recognized = bullies)
for the victims parents:
wake up and smell the harsh reality out there...prep your kids to face up and deal with problem. They need you to back them up with real advice and guidance, not the puff up promises that all will works out for it self..because mostly they don't!
Posted 03/16/2010 at 03:19:50 AMwords from some1 that was bullied everyday in elementary school, then became a bully in junior-high and highschool..
I'm so sorry for what happened to her :'( it's just horrible. But, do you want to know what's worse? These two girls are transferring to my high school.
Posted 03/16/2010 at 10:33:54 PMOnly in America..
Posted 03/17/2010 at 07:57:12 AMplease help the people who are victims of this.... or this will keep happening
Posted 03/18/2010 at 08:48:15 AMI have just told my parents and asked if we could move as to how horrible this and change my number and facebook well get a new everything house facebook account and phone see parents try to listen more us kids are being serious and our problems have been leading to death so listen and believe what we tell you because its serious and girls i will admit i can bully sometimes but i don't take it that seriously and send text messages and facebook messages and do worse at school enough is enough how would you like it if it were you now Im only 10 and i know how hard it is to be bullied at school so try to put your self in others position that are being bullied how would you like it? And you girls had to be so mean to make a girl in high school to commit suicide so please just think before you do
Posted 03/19/2010 at 04:47:38 PMIrish Claire, you must an ignorant moron if you truly believe this happens only in America.
Posted 03/19/2010 at 04:54:03 PMi recently found an article about phoebe prince on info Ohio for a school essay i have to write. i wasn't planning on writing about bullying but after reading about her and other victims of bullying i decided that it was perfect for my essay. people can be so cruel and the schools are doing little about kids being bullied. it makes me sad hearing about phoebe, how many other kids will end there lives because of bullies? how long can this go on without someone putting a stop to it? she was only a year older than me, her life was just beginning!
Posted 03/19/2010 at 05:47:36 PMI was bullied in elementary school alot. But its the bullying i've received my whole life and to this very day from my family that Really bothers me and effects the way i perceive myself.
Posted 03/19/2010 at 05:53:23 PMI just heard about this incident today. I feel after reading some of your postings (I could only take a few of them seriously)as if she is being bullied all over again. The poor girl suffered enough. As for the miserable girls who tortured her, maybe someday if you are really lucky you will have a beautiful daughter and then you will understand what life is really all about. Shame on you forever.
Posted 03/23/2010 at 06:26:44 PMoh my god i heard about this and i couldnt stop thinking about it so i had to find out more. I hope those stupid fuckin bitches(the untouchable mean girls) that are so pathetic that they bullied this stunnin phoebe prince for bein popular and pretty n datin the ''cool'' boy , read this.
you make me sick! honestly. who the fuck do you think you all are? treating people this way and upsetting a girl so badly to do this? ive been bullied a couple of times, it really does shatter the soul no wonder phoebe commited suicide and i have to deal with some bitches in my class everyday. But BULLIES 'mean girls' you wont be untouchable for long bitches. i cant wait till you evil bitches are locked up. i wish every horrible thing in the world to happen to ya all. Karma's A Real Bitch. Have a good miserable life knowing what you caused this poor girl do and causing this much grief and sadness to the prince family.
you have my sympathy the prince family. im sorry for your loss. but phoebe is probably happier their not looking at them bullies fugly faces :)
bullies you will go straight to hell know that for sure.
Posted 03/24/2010 at 01:46:37 PMR.I.P PHOEBE YOU WERE BEAUTIFUL x
Some of you are blaming it on the social networking sites. However it isn't the sites fault, its just another form of communication.. Facebook has growing #'s of users and they don't have time to read each and every message/wall post.
@Ryan : stop comparing your life to how the life of young teens is now because truth of the matter is times change! Yes parents know they can monitor what they want of their child, but they also want them to have privacy I'm not sure if you were allowed any in your childhood but kids do deserve some privacy, especially during the teen years. Parents should start communicating with their children more, startt getting to know what their child does instead of coming from work late and not bothering to do anything.
RIP Pheobe ! May her soul rest in peace now.
The girls and guys who were involved in this really need a taste of their own medicine!
Posted 03/25/2010 at 01:54:39 PMI love you even thoughh i didnt know you but i hope your soul rests in peace. i was this year so much! R.I.P. Pheobe
Posted 03/25/2010 at 09:46:14 PMI think that what we need to realize is....imagine being from another country, moving to somewhere unfamiliar to you, no friends, few family members, and an entire new environment. If you suffered from depression before all of that (I am not saying this young lady did or did not) I think that this would make it worse. Then to walk into a school everyday where you are tormented, called names, have things thrown at you, be judged for who you are, I think I would feel pretty alone. Then to go home and think that you are safe and then you see comments spread all over the internet and your phone ringing with more torment and name calling that would hurt deeply. Imagine that everyday in a new place where you feel that you have no one who cares about you. That would be awful, now tell me why people say things like, "Well she was depressed before," or "Why would someone take their own life." Sometimes a human can only take so much pain and hatred everyday that they feel there is no other option. I did not know this young lady. I did attend South Hadley High School a few years back and I remember what high school was like. I recall one day walking into the bathroom and there were about four or five girls taking turns spitting into an iced coffee that they planned on giving to another student. I think we all need to take a look at ourselves and not at each other and see that we all feel the same feelings and emotions, happiness and sadness. We should start treating each other with respect and care for one another. If we don't start taking care of each other and standing together instead of apart then what have we accomplished while being on this planet. We are the same species black, white, male, female, Irish, American, we all feel and sometimes we all forget how we can make others feel with actions and even simple words.
"Our differences define us, but our common humanity can redeem us."
Posted 03/26/2010 at 12:19:26 AMI think that all those girls who think that they can just bully anyone because of who they are dating are just jerks.If they were to have done something like that to me I would have wanted to hurt them so bad.Who ever these girls are really deserve to be punished because they drove someone so far off the edge that she killed herself.What kind of person could do something so UNCARING and INCONSIDERATE!I am sorry for the familys loss of what Im sure was a very nice girl.
Posted 03/27/2010 at 01:59:40 AMIsn't childhood great?
Posted 03/27/2010 at 10:59:39 AMYou try to operate under the draconian rules of parents who can remember their childhood long before yours and are hopelessly unaware of today technology and culture you are forced to live with. You face the threat of violence on a daily basis. You are mentally incapable of understanding and dealing with the problems you face, let alone those you will encounter when you are an adult. You are forced to sit in school for 8 hours a day and if you don't memorize what's being thrown at you then you are told that you're not good enough by the system that has trapped you. You face constant scrutiny by both administration and peers alike and are physically incapable of defending yourself from predators. You are constantly broke, you cannot operate a vehicle and are therefore immobile. Childhood is the worst possible introduction a person can have to society that involves cooperation, the rule of law, and reapect for basic human rights.
What did Pheobe do to deserve this?
Posted 03/27/2010 at 04:13:44 PMI read about this stuff everyday and its really scary. I have two girls and worry about them. This makes me so angry because I feel the school knew but turned a blind eye to it. I think they should be held responsible and those girls should be prosecuted. It should be on their record, they should not get away scott free...
Posted 03/29/2010 at 12:22:14 PMI wish Phoebe Prince and her family peace. I was bullied in school, at work, and in my neighborhood by various women, they just keep coming. It is as if they feel a right is given to them to take out their envy, insecurity, or other emotions out on someone who is kind and tolerant of people with issues. I tried to get it to stop but it happens again unless I end all contact. No one talks about this form of hate: women who hate women.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 12:41:17 PMmy son experienced bullying from 6th grade through high school. We went to administrators who had empty promises for us nothing was done. So we supported our son, got him counseling (the school didnt help of course) and he is now in college and comfortable in his own skin. We feared for his mental state every day for years no one and I repeat no one can imagine unless you have been through it, the helplessness you feel as the parent or the person being tormented how this affects every aspect of your life..those of you who dare put this on the victim have no idea so walk a mile in her shoes..then you could comment...
Posted 03/29/2010 at 12:49:59 PMthis is a tragic story. My heart goes out to her parents. This is the sorry state of our society. America is on the downfall. Americans have placed so much emphasis on material things and have neglected many other areas lke family. We are so preoccupied with being the top industralized nation in the world that we have lost our core values.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:03:57 PMI wish I could have helped her. Mean girls are not worth taking you life over. I feel so bad for the family. I love Ireland and all things Irisl
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:06:58 PMI am 65 years old and still remember well what bullying was like during my high school years in Virginia, and that was back in the early 60's! Especially my junior year. What pain I suffered alone. I never told my parents, or any friends in my class. But I suffered. I was new to the schol as a freshman, having just moved there from Frankfurt, Germany. During the summer following my freshman year, I began to date a boy who was the captain of the football team, president of his class, and just a very popular young man. Throughout my sophomore year, and during the summer before my junior year, we continued to date. When we broke up I dated a few more of the boys in his class, the class ahead of me, but my heart still belonged to Tommy.
Well, the girls in that class didn't like me for some reason. I know it was for dating, then later Dick and Jerry. These girls harrassed me, confronted me in the hallway, blackballed me from any of their class functions, even told me to date the boys in my own class. Then, behind my back (I found out from someone who did like me) they were telling other classmates that the reason their junior boys dated me was because I slept with them, and called me a whore. There were two girls in particular who did that to me. And, believe it or not, today they are still maintining that terrible behavior, and I live 2,000 miles away from them! My heart broke back then, and it still affects me to this day. I never slept with any boy in that class, or any other boy in any other class for that matter, and when I married a naval officer at 23, my husband was the first person I had ever slept with. How cruel those girls were to me, and in such a big way! The rumors they started were so unfounded, and yet there were people in their class who believed that. I was miserable. Finally when they graduated, and I still had one year left at that high school without them, I began to feel a bit more comfortable. But I remember going home night after night during that very,very long year and crying over what these two girls (sometimes more than two) wee doing to me. I still remember their names, and what bullies they were, especially two, and of those two, one was relentless. So, bullying has been going on since I was in high school and I graduated in 1962. This is not a new thing. That poor child just wasn'tstrong enoughto handle the meanness directed at her. My hear goes out to her, and her family. That little sweetheart, from Ireland, should have had so much better from us Americans. How dare they!
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:14:28 PMI'm sorry but nothing people say or do to you can justify suicide. I think everyone gets bullied at some time or another yet we don't kill ourselves. This girl gave the bullies the power over her that they wanted. As parents we need to teach our children to be strong not emotional basket cases. My father gave me some simple advice when dealing with bullies. Hit them in the mouth and they won't bother you again. He was right!
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:16:09 PMNothing justifies suicide!
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:20:09 PMWomen are very vicious especially towards each other. I was even bullied as a girl in a "charter" style school for the arts (though not as bad as we were more serious about school than our social lives). This was ridiculous that the school did nothing. This could have been prevented and honestly I would hold the school completely responsible for this, as well as their parents for harboring such children (since they would have had to know about their own children's behaviors, and have those girls put into a juvenile program and not reinstated into a public school. They won't learn anything if they are just transfered. They'll just continue terrorizing other students.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:23:30 PMI just read this article and am very upset right now. I'm so glad that Massachusettes finally passed an anti-bully law. But it is too bad that the suicide of Phoebe Prince had to happened for Massachusettes to pass this law. Why does it take something like this to happen before anything is ever done?
I have been the subject of ridicule all my life. It began when I was seven years old because I was transferred to a new school and didn't have any friends. I remember these two girls that just didn't like me so they shunned me so that I didn't have friends or if I did they really weren't my friends and would find ways to get me in trouble.
Then I have a learning disability which is called auditory processing disorder and because of this I didn't get things in two seconds. I used to get really upset easily and then I was overweight. I was called fat, baby, crybaby and was told to go on a diet. Then I was made fun of because I talked like a little baby and teachers felt I was doing it on purpose and that there was no real problem with my voice. I always overreacted to jokes and any humor that came my way because I never understood jokes and most of the time I don't understand them to this day. I ended up having no friends and as a result I got into this habit of talking to myself and it became so obvious I became and easier target.
When I was in junior high school it got worse. There was the, "You are so stupid." "You are idiot." "Why do you ask stupid questions?" "Why don't you think?" "Why do you talk like a baby?" "Why did you say this or that?" "You are so fat." "Look how big your stomach is." "You need to lose some weight." "Why did you tell on me that I was cutting for?" "Why don't you mind your own business?" "Why do you take things seriously?" "I'll be very happy if you don't came back here ever again." "why is your hair so long." "Give me some of that hair." "Why don't you cut your hair." They would steal my books, spit gum into my hair, step on my shoes, dirty my clothes with their feet and touch me in my breats and butt. They would copy all the answers to my homework and then get higher scores then me on exams. Then they spread a rumor about me getting caught making out with a girl, which continue through part of my freshman year. They would also talk to me about sex because nobody ever bothered to tell me about sex otherwise. I had to go to a camp at eleven years old to learn about sex.
Then in my senior year of high school somebody decided to paint my locker so I was unable to get stuff out. I reacted so badly I lost my two friends I have had in high school and they continued to do it more until I ceased using my locker.
I feel that no matter how much has changed I'm always the subject of ridcule and abuse. Last year I joined Yelp that has people write reviews. Part of yelp has talk threads. So I took advantage of this because I felt with yelp you are entitled to your opinion. So I responded to some of the threads with very long answers and no jokes at all so I was told I was robot and that I did what society dictated and that I should barefoot and pregnant. It got to a point that some yelpers were copying answers that I wrote and putting it on other threads. So finally I decided to quit a few months after joining. Then after it was discovered that I quit yelp these yelp bullies created a thread on me and copied all my responses to the threads that I have posted for the few months before hand. They said I didn't talk right, was from the planet Mars, was one misunderstood person and was two generations ahead of my time. I complained about this to the BBB and their claim is they don't monitor the talk threads and if I had a problem with them then don't use them. Also I wrote a letter of complaint to yelp with the copy of this thread but I got no response. The thread still hangs there.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 01:51:50 PMAgain why does it have to take suicide or getting into fights to do something about bullying? That is what bothers me. And I was always told to stand up for myself and speak up for myself but everytime I do either nobody does a thing because they are too busy or if they do the bullying gets worse.
Bullying is criminal. Could you imagine these wicked girls being of legal age, getting a job and treating their coworkers/boss this way? Their landlords? This is NOT normal behavior. It is gang behavior.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 02:24:59 PMI was very saddened to hear this story.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 02:27:51 PMBullying is a perfect example of how not to treat one another. The phrase "Treat others like you would treat yourself sure did come into play here. Remmeber revenge is mine says the lord.
Sounds to me like the school adminstrators were also afraid of these girls and tried to pacify them. Whomever was involved should be prosecuted-isn't this a Hate Crime?
Posted 03/29/2010 at 03:03:13 PMI was never bullied nor was I a bully. I was raised on beat-downs at home and in school with paddles.My children have been raised the same way. America Government has taught us that its not okay to follow the Word of God, "Spare the rod, spoil the child". If we get back to the basics of discipline at home and in schools, our kids may have a fighting chance to be decent human beings. Feel sorry for any child whose parent didn't or haven't disciplined them. Kids feel no remorse for shooting up schools, talking back to adults, fighting or anything else because they have weak parents and adults over them. YES I SAID WEAK, NO COUNT ADULTS!! The teens are to blame but so are the adults that are over them. The parents and schools should also be charged as well.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 03:21:16 PMR.I.P Phoebe
I go to south Hadley High, and bullying isn't that big of a problem there. Of course it happens (this is an extreme example) But there aren't many bullies. The stuff said page on the memorial face book after she died wasn't said by students, it was that forum 4chan. And the bullies wernt pretty or popular
Posted 03/29/2010 at 03:57:40 PMThe utter unabashed savery of these miscreants goes far beyond "bullying". They are brutal unfit sociopathic monsters and should all be incarcerated for the the remainder of their lives.
Their parents need to be prosecuted as well and should be stripped of their material wealth which should go to the dead girl's family. There is no excuse for such antisocial behavior.
Don't try to blame Phoebe for being "too sensitive" or "fragile"! Blame the useless and incompetent school personnel who should be losing their jobs as of today. Blame a superficial, indifferent, and unsupportive society that considers bullying "normal" behavior.
I hope her parents sue everyone who stood by and did nothing to help. Those bullies should all go hang themselves, as well.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 04:21:53 PMVeerle, you can bear witness to the events leading to this girl's death? Your omnipotence should be a great help during these proceedings since you seem to know so many intimate details about these girls.
I am truly sorry for her family's loss. No parent should ever have to put a child in the ground. But no amount of accusations or law suits will bring her back. Let's remember that this is America and unless something has changed, all are innocent until proven otherwise. I feel sorry for the parents of the accused. It is they who will bear the burden of the proceedings and the attentions of a relentless media, eager for any little snippet of information, however ill-gotten. Remember that there are always two sides to every story and Ms. Prince's will being coming out shortly.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 05:49:32 PMI wonder why no one wants to your friend Francis Pam? You seem like such a nice, stable person.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 06:09:03 PMI'm astounded.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 06:42:32 PMIt's so incessant, I want to make these peoples' lives a living hell.
Every person who commits crime on other people, children, and particularly females.
I'm scared and angry being a woman, I'm afraid to be outside by myself after 8pm.
The fact that rape, bullying, murder, physical and emotional torture is so common makes ME want to kill myself to avoid being subjected to it.
That makes so much sense Ellia, I hate work, it is emotional, and physical torture, I know how to fix that now! Suicide!! Durrrp!! Just stop the act,this crap isn't about womens rights, sing that song elsewhere sister.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 06:54:44 PMI hope the parents of the culprits have the $hit kicked out of them and the faculty members who looked the other way as well. We're military and have moved repeatedly and we always worry that some small-minded, dead-from-the-neck-up group, mirroring their moronic parents, will not let our children alone for having actually EXPERIENCED some of the world and not just Podunk, USA.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 07:02:03 PMLets not forget the names of these EVIL EVIL people: Sharon Chanon Velazquez, Sean Mulveyhill, Kayla Narey, Ashley Longe and Austin Renaud.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 07:37:37 PMHere are some of the names of these evil pieces of trash. There are groups on Facebook that list them as well. Make sure to spread the word. These wastes of human life do not deserve their privacy in such a matter! ::: Sharon Chanon Velazquez, Sean Mulveyhill, Kayla Narey, Ashley Longe and Austin Renaud.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 07:42:03 PMI dont understand.
All I hear and see from shows like Oprah and The View is how much more sensitive and gentle women are than men. Men are just pigs who cheat and lie like Jesse and Tiger.....
These are typical women. Women would eat their young for satisfaction.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 07:49:43 PMTom:
Actually, a person CAN bg hung. Take me for example; I'm hung like a horse.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 08:25:02 PMI don't understand what kind of parent raises children like this? Torturing a young girl to suicide? Also noot to mention a great way to represent the United States, bullying an immigrant?
If I got ahold of those pathetic individuals responsible I would beat them an inch from their life. And it's disgusting to think they are only a few years younger than myself. I have little compassion, I hope they all rot in hell.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 08:57:55 PMIt amazes me that some blame the teen that she brought this on herself... and HOW does one bully themselves? Grammar who cares... and public or private schools... another load of hogwash. My nephew goes to Private school.. and the coach called him a P****Y to his fellow students which were other 11-13 year old students for missing a sports practice- because of a scheduled music lesson? Shouldn't this coach know better?? I, myself was bullied relentlessly. I, myself and does his account get pulled? Does anyone do anything to stop it. NO. Our society is overwhelmed and overburdened and it is SAD- that those jealous girls with nothing better to do will get away with this. NO remorse, not even a thought- but everyone is SURE to blame this sweet misguided girl- who made a bad choice but cannot defend herself anymore. Welcome to America land of the free and home of the BULLIES
Posted 03/29/2010 at 09:38:22 PMTHE BULLIES AND STALKERS- WHY DON'T YOU HARRASS EACH OTHER AND LEAVE "US" ALONE... I WAS RAISED WITH THE GOLDEN RULE, AND MANNERS. I DON'T NEED TO BELITTLE ANOTHER TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT MYSELF.. BUY A CLUE
Posted 03/29/2010 at 09:44:30 PMI'm surprised there hasn't been a school shooting at that school.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 09:46:42 PMdid you ever hear the words "It's a lot easier to inconvenience others than yourself?" Ask mcr, Sandy & Pete about that and I'm sure it will make sense.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 09:46:57 PMI know you're all gonna hate me, and I really feel sorry for this girl. But in situations like this you have to pull through. I had no friends in high school and was abused physically and verbally everyday, even knocked unconscious twice. But I perservered and eventually it became easier to deal with. Also, there were several girls who were friends of hers who gave details to reporters from what I've read, so she definitely had at least a few friends (which is more than I had). But then again this is coming from a male perspective, I don't know how girls think or what was going through this girls mind. She was also ajusting to living in a new country, which would be hard for anyone. I also think most males who deal with bullying resort to violence against the bullies, whereas most girls resort to hurting themselves.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 09:47:24 PMThis is such a terrible, tragic, and incredibly sad event. Where were the teachers, guidance counselors, hall monitors, the girls parents, students, etc. when this was going on????????I cannot believe that everyone in this school turned their head to this. As a mother to a child that has a learning disability and has been called names, teased, humiliated by mostly girls, I just don't know why noone steps up to report this...I pulled my child out of this torture and put him in a cyber school, yes he is lonely but he is alive and he does not need enemies dressed up as "Friends."
Posted 03/29/2010 at 11:01:31 PMI really don't like that the article paints cheerleaders as mean people who drive people to kill themselves.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 11:37:24 PMThat aside, God Bless the family of the poor girl. (Wait. I hope that wasn't a MEAN thing to say, seeing that I was a cheerleader and all.)
And as for Thingsfromwork:
Unless your ancestors are only the indigenous Native Americans, and of NO other origin, you should shut your ignorant hole. You wouldn't be here without immigration. Your screen name should be THINGSFROMANASSHOLE. (Sorry, us cheerleaders are SUCH bitches, right?)
First of all, We are so, so sorry for the Family and will keep them in our prayers, What a terrible loss! And second of all We would be so, so horribly embarassed to be parents of these accused or related to them. I know you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty but this sounds like a repeated and witnessed thing that kept happening, And shame on the school officials and anyone that witnessed it and did not report it. These cruel evil people probably think that they have got away with something but you get paid back for everything you do in life and they will live unhappy suffered lives, I believe that!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 01:27:12 AMTheir judgement will be by God so be it! Mary & Nora
I agree these kid's were 100% wrong but they're judgement will be in the end, Only God should judge them. Everyone should just pray for Phoebe, & her Family. God love them, What a terrible tragedy!!! ... Ann-Margaret
Posted 03/30/2010 at 01:33:14 AMTo.... SticksandStones
A few posts up said that this girl should have been stronger & not ''an emotional basket case'' & that she should have ''hit them in there mouth'' No 2 wrongs do not make a right & obiously you were not beat down & weakend til you could'nt take it no more, Some people aren't as strong as other's. I feel deeply sorry that the only way out for her was death, But as for you saying you would teach your childern to hit other's if they insult them well shame on you your raising a bully as well then
Posted 03/30/2010 at 01:50:30 AM@ anthony..
How are they nasty drug's?
There are so may people here passing shit comments and missing the point.
Tom for example.. go back to googling porn. You clearly live with your mother.
RIP to this beautiful young girl, I know her family.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 04:14:25 AMxxx
mary ann
co clare ireland.
I think each of these "bullying" kids should serve at least 7 years in prison. And the ones who were charged with statutory rape should serve 10 years. They are basically murderers or accomplices of murder. I hate bullies. They should all be held responsible and their town should shun them. I have no sympathy for them. I hope they all rot in hell.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 04:16:00 AMThe parents of these bullies should be ashamed. This wouldn't happen if parents raised their children right. These children obviously lacked discipline. These kids need a good beating. And the school should feel horrible for turning a blind eye. Lack of discipline at home and at school is only going to lead to a child thinking they can get away with murder. Sadly, this could be the case. I hope the guilty party is punished and the family of the victim find peace.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 04:20:50 AM@iguesso39
Posted 03/30/2010 at 08:36:27 AMcome from a family of north american indians,do you? America is one of less than 10 countries in the world that would not exist without immigration.period! Besides the Irish more than many contributed to making america what it is today.Though based on your post,that poor child would have been better of having an ocean between herself and the likes of you. INBRED!
I am so tired of hearing the phrase "oh, kids can be SOOOOOOOOOO cruel." Really? REALLY? I think anyone that utters that sentence needs a good long lecture about how it is the PARENTS' responsiblity to keep their kids in line. If they can't, then the schools need to be draconian in their punishment of these little creeps. If a kid can be suspended for three days for skipping school, why aren't they suspended for bullying? Why aren't they expelled for repeated instances of bullying? Oh, wait, right. Because parents aren't held accountable and schools are WIMPS who are afraid to stand up to the parents and those little snot-nosed brats they raised. (Reared. whatever.)
To be fair...I do have to sometimes wonder if parents of bullies are notified about incidences of bullying. (not that it matters, you're still responsible for your own kid.) If that's the case, then schools are even MORE guilty.
In short, the phrase "Kids can be so cruel" needs to eradicated from our vernacular. They do NOT have to be cruel, they SHOULD NOT be cruel, and they should be punished for being so. I don't care if the bullying happens after school, in the neighborhood, at a shopping mall....if the kids know each other from school, then that's where this all started and that's where it needs to be taken care of. It disrupts people's lives, it's disruptive to education, and if I ever hear of an instance of this happening in my community, you can be damn sure that I will be doing my best to stop it.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 08:50:15 AMI disagree with the article's statement that 'America gave no warm welcome to Phoebe's family'. Not everyone in this nation would react negatively to a foreign family. Those nine thuggish girls do not represent most of the United States' citizens.
Second, human beings earn credit or flack based on attitudes/character/conduct. They do not earn it based on skin color/race/ethnicity/their anatomy/where they are from/their height/how much cash they ethically produce for themselves.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 08:54:42 AM@thingsfromwork
Posted 03/30/2010 at 09:10:56 AMchrist you make iguesso39 sound almost normal,did you even finish high school? you sound as thick as two short planks! Get this, if your forefathers had not been realised from some foreign prison and arrived in the u.s,you wouldn't even be in a position to spout the vile nonsense that you do.you are indeed a non entity!
I agree how could the parents not know this was going on? What are they teaching their teens? I would have been so on mine if they bullied anyone, it is unacceptable and I do hope that they finally do something about it.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 10:49:15 AMThese two obviously have no morals or care if they have children of their own. For you to condone this type of behavior shows the lack of respect for human life. Your parents must be so proud.
Iguessso39 said:
Tisk, tisk, tisk, it really tears my heart out to know that we now have one less foreigner in this country :)
(If her and her family had stayed in Ireland she'd probably still be alive.............hint)
Posted 03/29/2010 at 10:55:47 PM
Thingsfromwork said:
I think the 9 kids that harrassed her should all get a medal for what they did. They managed to successfully rid this country of an immigrant. Hopefully they will keep up the good work and other high school kids will follow in their foot steps and eventually we can get rid of all of the foreign born trash in this country.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 10:57:56 AMPosted 03/29/2010 at 11:00:36 PM
I am so sorry as adults we failed you as a system and that this country and schools are demanding our kids be in this environment like this! I am a professional counselor and this sickens me that we have a culture that has taken morals and God out of school and ask evil to enter daily! I am so sorry for the family and for the kids to have to live in fear and extreme danger of their lives! We need to have more protection and advocacy as Adults for these kids when they are crying out for help before this ever gets to this point! If we require these kids by law to go to school we better protect them with OUR lives to make them safe!! The school board should be held responsible and then they would not ignore these kids!!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 11:18:05 AMan eye for an eye those little bitches should also be hanged or beheaded in public, justice to phoebe!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 11:20:09 AMBtw that should be "released" from some foreign prison not realised.just saw Red,@thingsfromwork it is rather fascinating that you take a comment page such as this to preach such racism and hateful drivel,not to mention inciting abusive behaviour towards kids.amoral pure and simple.p.s you really need to hit the american history books and soon!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 11:37:47 AMI am so sick of these filthy little scums getting away with this. It has always been this way. The teachers do NOTHING to stop this. It happened to me, then to my daughter, and then my grandchildren. No one does anything about it. If they want to stop it they could. Put cops in all the hall ways. All the bathrooms and outside. Anybody screws around, they're out of the school for good. No tollerance for trouble makers. All the students should wear uniforms. No screwy, expensive clothes or shoes. It is about time that we all learn that "school" is an institution of learning. It's not a place where certain students are popular. Yearbooks should NOT pick out who is the prettiest, who is the most likely to succeed, who is the best dresser. That's all bullshit and should be stopped. It's the fault of the teachers and board of education. These pigs should all be punished and they should finally make an example of students like this. They're filthy pigs.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 11:44:32 AMgotta get it out...just a quik RANT: saw a heartbreaking stroy on the news about the Irish High school student who hung herself afterconstant bullying, she had the misfortune of running afoul of the popular girls at South Hadley High. This never would have happened if i was back in H.S. there. Did you see the 2 guys and 3 girls accused? Man, I probably would have caught a murder charge on the 2 guys or at least cut out their tonges. (People I went to HS with know I would have! - crazy like that) I can't believe no guy stood up for her. She was pretty and her accent was probably lovley... RIP Phobe Prince. Ask me why we should destroy all high schools and adopt the mentor-apprentice program after 9th grade...only if i was president...
Posted 03/30/2010 at 11:53:45 AMThose young bitches and rapists should be arrested, judged and convicted as soon as possible. Otherwise, they will do it time and again!!! Death row on them all!!!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 12:02:03 PMThe fact is these individuals learn from the actions and behaviors they see in the adults around them. Society as a whole has lost the concept of cause and punishment and consequences positive or negative to actions taken. It is about being responsible for the actions taken/or not and the results of those actions and or words. On the whole there are no consequences for bad actions these days. Bad actions are rewarded and perpetrators of wrong, irresponsible actions are rewarded - with 15 minutes of fame. Therefore teens internalize these messages and unless parents and adults not only ensure that there are appropriate consequences but walk the talk. Society and the collective culture is me centered and there is no awareness of the impact of individual actions on those around. A self centered, self interest driven culture that rewards negative behavior and models it yields the results shown here.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 12:07:52 PM
Posted 03/30/2010 at 12:41:42 PMPunishment for these troubled teens should be "a day in the life" let them spend a semester in an inner city school, where they will be walking targets! They will be subject to behavior they never imagined possible. When they return to Blessed suburbia they will return changed individuals, no more bullying, probably not even an unkind word will be spoken. Shame on them and their hellish ways! I do believe they will or actually they should reap what they sew
Yes, what they did to this poor girl is inexcusable, but a very wise man once said, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone." the world is an imperfect place, full of hate and ugliness, good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people, and we all will be judged according to what we have done. she is in a much better place now than you or I, and the other girls, may God have mercy on their soul
Posted 03/30/2010 at 12:44:57 PMI AGREE WITH E.J HELL LETS DEDICATE A PAGE AND HARASS THEY ASS AND LET THEM SEE HOW IT REALLY FEELS NOW THAT THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THEIR PARENTS GAVE BIRTH TO FUTURE ASSHOLES
Posted 03/30/2010 at 12:45:29 PMbullying is a horrible thing. it's a crime to humanity.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 12:54:41 PMI am disgusted that human beings could ever be this cruel to someone else. The school and its district are partly to blame, and those bitchy heartless girls should go to jail.
I too have experienced a lesser form of this type of harrassment when I was in highschool, and the girls that bullied me have not changed, some people never do.
My thoughts and prayers are with Pheobe's family.
Kristin Ladwig, 18
Posted 03/30/2010 at 01:39:05 PMI think the girls that are responsible should go to jail.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 01:54:31 PMTO: LISA, NOT-NOT JOHN, JOYDAZE, FRED, THE REALIST ,MATT, NICK AND CHRISTY LYNNE AND ALL THE OTHER SELF CENTER MUTHAFUCKERS.
IT'S A SHAME POMPUS ASSHOLES AND SHIT WIPPERS WOULD GET YOUR TIRED LOWLIFE FILTHY ASSES ON HERE AND CALL THAT YOUNG GIRL WEAK, PUSSY AND STATING THAT SHE HAD MENTAL ISSUES AND THAT SHE WAS BEING TREATED FOR DEPRESSION.WOW! MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULESS PATHETIC ASS LIVES. IM SEEING FOLKS MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT PHOEBE, SAYING SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRONGER! TRUE SOMEWHAT BUT EVERYONE THAT WALKS THIS PLANET IS NOT EQUIPPED FOR THE PRESSURE OF THIS WORLD, IT'S VERY HARD TO LIVE YOUR LIFE THESE DAYS. I HOPE YOU FUCKIN HOOLIGANS JUMP OFF A CLIFF. IT'S MUTHAFUCKERS LIKE U THAT MAKES THIS LIFE A COMPLICATED ONE TO LIVE, JUST WHO THE FUCK DO YOU JERKS THINK YOU ARE TO DOWN AND RUIN A LIFE OF A YOUNG BEAUTIFUL GIRL AFTER SHE IS GON. I MUST SAY PEOPLE ON HERE ARE SOME MERCILESS FUCKS.
AS FOR THE GIRLS WHO HARASSED PHOEBE : IT'S NOT OK WHAT YOU DONE YOU PUSH THAT POOR SOUL TO DEATH. I FEEL SORRY FOR BITCHES LIKE U IN THE FUTURE, AFTER HER DEATH YOU LITTLE SHITS STILL HAD THE NERVES TO TAUNT HER HAVE YOU WHORES EVER HEARD OF R.I.P. I GUESS NOT YOU LITTLE CUNTS DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
TO THE SCHOOL: SHAME ON SOUTH HADLEY WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN "APPARENTLY", IT HAPPENED JERKS. HER LIFE IS GONE AND YOUR SORRY ASS SCHOOL SYSTEM AND ADMINISTRATION DID NOTHING. I HOPE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT TAKING PROPER CARE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS AND ALLOWING THE SCHOOL DANCE TO GO FORWARD IS EVEN MORE HEARTLESS , WHAT HAPPENED TO MORALS AND EDUCATION?
THIS SHIT REALLY AMAZES ME TO THE IGNORANT POTHEADS AND ASSHOLES WHO WANTS TO GET ON HERE AND BE FUCKING ENGLISH SCHOLARS, U POMPUS MUTHAFUCKERS MISS THE POINT A YOUNG GIRL TOOK HER LIFE AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO WITH STUCK UP CRAPPY ASS LIVES IS GET ON HERE AND JUDGE WORDS AND SPELLING. HOW BOUT THIS GO AND STICK YOUR FUCKING FACE IN A LIBRARY TOILET AND I HOPE WHILE YOUR OUT WALKING TODAY A BIRD TAKES A NICE SHIT ON YOUR HEAD.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 01:58:15 PMIt seems that the school administrators are delinquent at their jobs. Teenagers are notoriously shitheads, (their parents should be proud) but the school officials knew what was happening, and did nothing. These people (the school officials) and the perps should all be tried. I'm willing to bet that citizens(sarcasm) pay alot in school taxes,probably complain alot about that...tough shit. I hope when all is said and done, some of the citizens demand resignations from the entire faculty. But I'm just dreaming, these assholes will forget all about it by summer.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 02:03:00 PMAshley Longe, Kayla Narey,Flannery Mullins,Austin Renaud, Sharon Chanon_Velazquez and Sean Mulveyhill.
These are the students
Posted 03/30/2010 at 02:13:30 PMSean Mulveyhill, 17, of South Hadley. Charged with statutory rape, violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.
Kayla Narey, 17, of South Hadley. Charged with violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.
Austin Renaud, 18, of Springfield. Charged with statutory rape.
Ashley Longe, 16, of South Hadley. Charged as a youthful offender with violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury.
Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16, of South Hadley. Charged as a youthful offender with stalking and violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury.
Flannery Mullins, 16, of South Hadley. Charged as a youthful offender with stalking and violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 02:17:32 PMwow, what shallow low life little girls, they are the ones that need stopped, they are literally a waste of human life. just because other girls are prettier and have more going for them, doesnt give you the right to taunt them for your own satisfaction and pleasure, is that what you need to feel good about yourself? and then you laugh after the fact? wow, if it were up to me, youd be on death row, its just the same as murder, except you didnt actually kill her phsyically, but words can kill. and you killer her, you should feel guilty and ashamed. if you dont your not human. my prayers are with the family, and for the girls i hope the guilt eats them alive.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 02:47:47 PMI want to beat the shit out of all of you scumbags and your parents too and don't think I can't your ass is grass and I'm the lawn mower
Sean Mulveyhill, 17, of South Hadley. Charged with statutory rape, violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.
Kayla Narey, 17, of South Hadley. Charged with violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly.
Austin Renaud, 18, of Springfield. Charged with statutory rape.
Ashley Longe, 16, of South Hadley. Charged as a youthful offender with violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury.
Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16, of South Hadley. Charged as a youthful offender with stalking and violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury.
Flannery Mullins, 16, of South Hadley. Charged as a youthful offender with stalking and violation of civil rights resulting in bodily injury.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 03:30:30 PMHearing this story makes me pro-choice.
These little pieces of shit should've been aborted at birth.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 03:40:09 PMThese students are monsters; even after Phoebe's death they continued to prove they have no conscience. Who would want this threat to humanity back on the streets? It's an outrage!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 03:44:02 PMThey're evil bitches. What could make them think that they have any right to treat another person that way? And they obviously deserve every terrible day they ever experience and so much more. They practically murdered this girl and they don't care. They have no hearts or feelings. This deserves years in prison because they're never going to think they did anything wrong. Phoebe will always be someone who didn't know her place to them. I hope that they bully the wrong person and get their asses jumped. Their pretty faces aren't that pretty I'm sure; they probably attacked her out of pitiful low self-esteem. They've made their families, school, state and country ashamed to say that they walk free. I'm sure that they've had their share of sitting in the principal's office. I wanna see those sorry bitches sitting in a jail cell.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 04:43:58 PMThis whole situation is tragic. What a shame that such a young girl's life ended so soon; she had her whole life ahead of her. There is a saying that it takes a "village to raise a child." It is unfortunate (for lack of a better word) that leadership in the school failed to address the bullying problem. It is a shame that the friends and families of the bullies weren't able to stop the inappropriate behavior. It is terrible that Phoebe's friends and families weren't able to do something about the situation before things got so bad that she didn't want to live anymore. It is horrible that the entire community is experiencing this loss and the issues that follow. What a sad event for all of humanity.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 04:48:52 PMIs there any doubt these bully kids are the spawn of teabaggers that are intolerant to any other race, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation? They learn this at home. Time to indict these parents.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 04:52:04 PMCan you say "lynching party"? :)
Posted 03/30/2010 at 05:11:52 PMSounds like these "popular" girls were airheads who were so jealous of this beautiful young girl that they had to physically abuse her to feel good. Well, she was better than any one of them if she could do what she did in that short period of time, they were probably afraid of her, and as would be the case with cowards, they bullied her. No way would they do this if they didn't have pig mentality, swineheads that they are, they probably wouldn't be able to solve any questions on socials or science and they were probably jealous of a smart and beautiful girl who was way better than they were in all ways. These scum and their evil parents should be paraded till the end of their days as an example of thugs in our society. Too bad beautiful Phoebe didn't stay alive to show these airheads that they would be non-entities in a few years.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 07:30:53 PMI feel so sorry for the girls family. What a sad thing to happen.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 08:01:30 PMWe all know these kids are not going to get anything out of this. They will go on with their lives with nothing on their record. Phoebe won't graduate, go to college, get married, or have children.
I'm surprised that someone from school has not put the nine kids pictures out there for all to see and their parents. Of course, now the parents are blaming Phoebe. I would never in my life let my kids get away with something like this. No matter race, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation no one has the right to pick and harass another person. It's a sad horrible thing to do to anyone. The school also needs to take much of the blame.
The things that teenagers are doing now days is just unbelievable.
My daughter does not attend South Hadley. We don't even live in that state, but this is going on everywhere, and my daughter has also been a victim of bullying. She's new to her high school, and apparently ended up dating the wrong boy because when she broke up with him, he had his "girlfriends" text her, harass her online, make threats, and even torment her everyday at school. It wasn't just one or two, but SEVERAL. She couldn't ride the bus anymore because his friends on her bus would be relentless. Those that live in our neighborhood have stood in front of our house with a stun gun, making threats and harassing her. I called the school when it all started, and since they did nothing, I called the Board of Education. They called the school, and the school still did nothing. They said we were dealing with small children!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 08:16:54 PMWhen they decided to congregate in front of our home, I HAD to step outside. One had her own mother with her, and she threatened to call the police. When they arrived, they set her straight. They told them they couldn't stand in our yard or even in the street in front of our home harassing us. He told my daughter to ignore them. That's easier said than done! My daughter went through hell for the longest time, and then we got blamed for it all because I chose to get involved.
Do you think they feel bad? They don't. They do their damage and then move on to someone else. The school denies any bullying.
What can you do?
I don't feel sorry for the jealous students that tormented Phoebe to her death. I know they will not be punished appropriately at this time, but there will come a time when they will have to answer for all the horrible things they've done.
Kids & teenagers need to stop & think; who are they to put anyone in their place? Who are they to judge? They have too much to learn, and the parents that actually contribute to such actions need to grow up. They're so stupid!!
This poor girl is in a better place thank the lord above. But she should never have had to chose this to take her own life, the people who pushed her need to get in severe trouble...I am sorry you went through this darling!!
Posted 03/30/2010 at 08:45:20 PMWhy aren't parents ripping their kids out of school??? If the schools started losing money for each child who unenrolled, maybe then they'd pat attention. Hit them where they care... their budgets.
Posted 03/30/2010 at 11:05:08 PMWell, her parents wanted her to experience America, and unfortunately, she did. Believe me, this is not an isolated case. Bully or be bullied IS the American way. Rest in peace, Phoebe.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 12:55:50 AMI was made fun of ALL THE TIME in elementary school becuse I was the tallest/largest kid. I was close to 6'tall in grade 6. I was shaving in grade 5 etc. Kids will make fun and bully anyone different. It plays on the base human instinct to fear what is different or what you do not understand.
Mind you in grade 9 I was 6'3 185 pounds. My solution was to beat the shit out of anyone who tried to bully me. Needless to say the bullying stopped.
I played football, baseball, basketball etc. The bullying stopped for that as well later on... At this point the bullying was a method to seperate themselves from everyone else. To try to manufacture a space for themselves where they think they are special, and not just a nobody.
I stood up against bullying all through my highschool days. Often times turning the bullying right back around onto the bully. Make fun of them, etc. A taste of their own medicine. I found that the bullies were the most insecure. Pointing out their flaws or things that could be made fun of hurt them a lot more.
This may be the idea they had where they were hurt so they became the bully to avoid being hurt. I didn't care. I just hated seeing a kid being picked on by everyone. So I turned the tables.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 01:15:56 AMIt's very sad to see a young life cut short by sadness and despair. I'm a firm believer in DIVINE JUSTICE, THERE IS A GOD and HIS REVENGE IS WORSE then any criminal justice. The kids involved in this matter will certainly pay for their cruelness in this life and the next. They will soon become adults and have kids themselves, WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND. I hope they reflect on their actions and really repent if they wish to see God's mercy.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 01:29:50 AMGod sees everything
Posted 03/31/2010 at 02:42:59 AMTo PJ, I am sorry you and your daughter had to go through the ignorance of some people that weren't taught any better. I had a similar thing happen and researched my rights then went to the school and had it handled. It is a shame that the school system has to be threaten legally before they step up and handle it. They are responsible for the safety of our children while in their care, just as we are responsible for them when they are home. There need to be stricter policies regarding situations like these so that it can be stopped before it gets as far as this one has.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 09:30:48 AMThis world is all mess up... The parents of those evil girls have the responsability of their actions too... That behavior is now they're just teenagers imagine when they grow up?? I hope human justice do something about it, because the divine justice will take care of them later.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 09:37:14 AMHard to find any words to say that haven't already been said. But I've been a victim of bullying myself. And it felt bad enough....nothing like what young kids these days go thru w/the social networking site abilities. Just couldn't imagine....How so much time and effort is put into harming others. There is so much cruelty in schools , child abuse, cruelty to animals. Our world is snowballing into such a feelingless place. Even the workplace is CUTTHROAT. Everyone is expendable. If I had to do it all over again much as I hate to say...cuz I love my children and grandchild so much...I wouldn't have kids in this world. Im not a religious person even........but there is so much evil, wrongdoing, judgment and hate in this world.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 09:43:23 AMThe incidence of gays committing suicide is great too. If someone doesn't fit another's mold the hate sets in. We're such a world based on youth, looks, beauty...but beauty inside is shallow.
This poor girl. To those who think SHE must have had mental problems to begin with....you obviously have never felt the daily ramifications of 'bullying'. To be pecked away at every day, have each layer of self esteem ripped from you. At every turn, angle ...having ppl say & do terrible things to you and people on the sidelines doing nothing....you'd start to feel worthless, powerless, hopeless. Even the teachers are unequipped to handle it. I've been bullied on a consistant basis in 7th and 8th grade and both my male teachers DID NOTHING. They saw it happening and did nothing. I felt worthless. It was a time when I was painfully shy. I tried to let things bounce off me. I said nothing in defense . The pain of staying silent I look back now and realize was an aspect of STRENGTH. But it didn't help me. I have fantasies of SNAPPING. And just flinging my arms at each and every one of em and walking out of class. I can't believe how I DIDN'T do that..or even survived.
I think one of the most compelling things is that there HAD to have been a whole lot of ppl both adults and students who SAW and knew about this bullying and did nothing. That makes me feel very ashamed.
And this incident , seeing as she was from Ireland....makes me ashamed to be from the U.S.
Here are the names of the nasty little fucking criminals who should die for what they did to that poor girl--> Sean Mulveyhill, 17. Kayla Narey, 17. Austin Renaud, 18. Ashley Longe, 16. Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16 and Flannery Mullins, 16. May God have mercy on their souls. i hope they all experience the bullshit this young girl had to experience. They deserve to be in jail and get fucked with their by big bad people who murdered others with their bare hands then we will see whos tough.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 10:05:57 AMEveryone knows their names. (the bullies.) Better watch their backs, sleep with an eye open. Cuz it ain't gonna be pretty! Would hate to be them or their parents.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 10:13:17 AMI am 17 goning 18 in about 3 months,
Posted 03/31/2010 at 12:13:05 PMI was home schooled, but I I couldn't even begin to imagine
how it would of been if I was in school,
yes I miss out on a lot of good things but as
everyone can see there are just somethings that
are worth missing out on, tho I did not even miss on on it all
I got picked on through my hole like for having ashma and being someone who acted just myself, and being friends
to anyone who wanted a friend, I had cans and trash thrown at me I have been barked at as a child preteen and just always awful things said to me I had been threaten to be beaten up and everything, I don't know how I made it throw it all. I feel for her so much and I hope the best for her and her family. People need to see how much they can hurt someone in just even one word. I say Grow up think first.
THE SCHOOL IS TO BLAME, FROM THE ARTICLE THIS SCHOOL SHOULD HAVE PUT A STOP TO THIS ONSLAUGHT OF COMPICATIONS FOR THIS GIRL WAY BEFORE THIS ALL COULD UNFOLD.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 01:11:03 PMI was thinking about what little I had heard of this story this morning. What is wrong with teens - in my day it was Jr High when you bullied people, by the time you got to hight school it was too immature. I was bullied by a boy in 3rd grade, one I called him out on it by saying he was only bullying me so I would pay attention to him and that he had a crush on me, he left me alone! Had a friend in Jr High that was bullying on by a gang of girls, I took up for her one day and asked why. They said because she was ugly. I asked if they really thought they were prettier? Don't know if the bullying stopped but at least they didn't do it with me around. ;-)
Then reading these details just reminded me of something I totally forgot about. When I was a sophmore, I was introduced to an 18 year old who was out of school by a mutual friend. We had some good times together. Until the senior at school started giving me a hard time - I had no clue he was in a relationship with anybody else, especially at my high school! The only reason redneck girlfriend found out was because HE told her! I refused to see him but he would call me, and she would come after me. I finally had to tell the loser to stop calling. It was some sick, twisted thing he had where he wanted girls to fight over him or something. Luckily the redneck girl dropped out of high school and the taunts stopped.
If I had done something like this and my parents found out, my dad would have whipped my butt in a heartbeat!!
Posted 03/31/2010 at 01:12:15 PMA lot of kids do NOT live in reality!! They have no idea what reality is! I think some people are literally born without a conscience. It's a shame. We live in a world where Tolerance is KING. Like I said...it's a shame! Little Phoebe is in paradise now with her creator.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 01:48:25 PM(This is the first I heard of this), it's so very very sad. I remember how strong my emotions where as a teenager and this breaks my heart !! These kids are pure evil and I'd like to give them a good smack (ohhhh but then social services would be called !!) BS, these kids should be punished. They are spoiled little brats who were probably raised by parents who where spoiled little brats themselves. People have no morals, couth or respect for one another and no one is taught be be "good" anymore - bullying isn't like it used to be; these kids are too grown up for their age but still to immature to understand concequences of their actions !! It makes me sick (and I'm only 34, I sound like I'm 80) but really get some brains world, teach some social skills other than who's cool and who's not sooooo frustrating RIP girlie !!!!
Posted 03/31/2010 at 02:22:33 PMYea I agree suspension is not a punishment its a vacation they should do a better punishment like suspending them from all dances including junior and senior prom. Also, cutting them off the cheerleading team and the other sport teams. Their only like that because they think they are on top of the school, the top of the pyramid. Make them clean the campus, getting the gum off from under the desks.
They should also fire the principal and the other school administration. They look like their scared of their own students at their school, turning a blind eye. I wonder if they are going to put an end to this, or let it just keep continuing on. Its not about what you say, but its about what you do.
RIP Pheobe Prince
Posted 03/31/2010 at 02:22:58 PMAfter reading some of these posts you can see I would not say bullying but close to it by someone posting a comment about someones spelling. I thought we were trying to help people cope with a horrible tragedy not condemn them for a spelling mistake.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 02:41:46 PMKATE: your an idoit!
That's all I have to say.. Hope your kid gets bullied..than you'll know how it feels to loose the one you love..ya you have ur opinion but AGAIN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, THAN DON'T SAY IT.
You know her parents probably read this. It's not there fault. She's gone.. Don't talk bad about the dead, because you don't know what ppl might say when your gone.
peace
Posted 03/31/2010 at 03:15:26 PMI SEE THEY REMOVE MY COMMENT NOT THAT I GIVE A DAMN, IM JUST TO REAL FOR TCR
Posted 03/31/2010 at 03:21:47 PMIslam prihibits bullying. In Arabian countries you never find this sort of incidents.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 03:45:59 PM@George well said.....
Posted 03/31/2010 at 03:50:23 PM@Tom ur crazie to talk about english mistakes, on a topic like tht ..!!! truly get a life ! n stop pointing at mistakes n try understnd wht exactly the point is ..!!
2 Islam-
Posted 03/31/2010 at 03:52:36 PMislam truly forbids bullying...but these incidents are well seen in arabian countries aswell...jus tht the media doesn show nything of tht sort...
i stay in the GCC...n i know very well ppl are bullied here !
its not onli america its everywhere...so dont cover up !
The founder of Islam also married a nine year old girl,..he needs to be on the other page standing next to the Pope...geez. (im sure the pope would pardon him)
Posted 03/31/2010 at 03:53:15 PM@saint_dismas-
Posted 03/31/2010 at 04:01:11 PMstop taking this topic on religion levels alrite....u do not know about islam..so dont talk about sumthin u dont know ...!!! mite aswell stick to the topic alrite..!!!
creating fuss is all wht ppl do !!!n thts wht ur doing now !
Most all religions teach on being caring and loving one another. But please do not bring religion into this. It will do nothing but upset people and make it more complicated. Lets stick to the topic. Just a suggestion...
Posted 03/31/2010 at 04:20:13 PMI just want to tell the parents of this young lady, how sorry I am for everything that you have been going through. Not all people are like that, I couldnt imangen hurting someone like that, the pain you must feel knowing there was nothing you could do. How do all of you reading this feel when you hear of parents bringing there child to the states to live a life of freedom and they spend the rest of there life knowing that they took her life instead of giving her a new one!
Posted 03/31/2010 at 04:21:06 PM@E.J., A myspace or facebook wont bring phoebe back
Posted 03/31/2010 at 05:14:29 PMawww...this is so tragic how this girl was bullied :( x i bet they wouldn't even give the girl a poor chance to get settled in... r.i.p phoebe you will always be more than those boys and girls who bullied you xxx
Posted 03/31/2010 at 05:34:43 PMMy heart aches so much for Phoebe's family. How heart wrenching, and surreal it must be. The thing is just looking at her picture it is plain to see she was such a beautiful young girl, a light shining within her eyes.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 05:35:55 PMIt is extremely sad to know she had her whole life in front of her, and yet she just couldn't see she was a far better human being then these rotten low life, scums of the earth! I'm sure these parents will make some stupid excuse for their scum bag kids actions. Umm no excuse, you raised rotten bods that's all! Reality check!!!!!!!!
My heart aches knowing that we as a nations, a society are failing miserable with the future generations. We allow all this rotten,sick, hatred to continue. We look the other way, pass the problem unto some other person, or community. Not my problem we say. Move along. Let someone else take care of the mess. Well people it's all our messes. If our nation keeps allowing this to continue, we will surely reap what we sow. Terrorist just isn't in a far off country, it's within our own. Wake up.
These kids are spoiled rotten little snot-nosed pricks who have had everything handed to them on a silver platter. They've never had to pay for anything, and they've never had to take responsibility for anything. I'm sure mommy and daddy have bailed them out of trouble every single time. Even the teachers are afraid of these little douchebags. What we need to do is line them all up, pull their pants down and whip their little shitty asses until they bleed. I am so friggin tired of hearing stories like this. There is no excuse for these bullies to be getting away with it! Put them in a room with me and lock the door. Please!!
Posted 03/31/2010 at 06:04:12 PMThis is the fruit of a liberal/left-wing/progressive commie-pinko society. Period. These things are happening, by and large, in left-wing strongholds.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 06:11:37 PMI can't believe this. I am a high school teacher. These are people without souls, it seems. However, I also blame the school, perhaps more than the "mean girls." The school should not ever put up with any bullying. This is a problem that if tackled with seriousness, can be almost entirely removed, I believe. I cannot believe this went on at the school and administration did nothing. Shocking, and unexcusable.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 06:30:34 PMI became a school bully at a very young age, though I have to admit that I'm not proud of the things I had done to others throughout the years. I was violent 99.9% of the time, even towards the boys because I basically didn't give a shit. They say that you should stand up to your bullies, but to be quite honest, one would be stupid if they stood up to me. I felt no remorse back then, and there was no telling how much harm I would cause another if they stood up to me.
I notice that the writer of this article likes to generalize, and I feel that's pretty foolish because not all bullies are the cheerleader types, or the pretty girls who played sports and used their good looks to date all of the jocks. I wasn't a cheerleader, nor was I as pretty as one. I also wouldn't consider all bullies to be shitty little girls. You have to understand that some bullies don't realize the effects their behaviors have on other people.
In my case, as a child growing up in a home where I was being molested by my own mother's boyfriend, I was unable to express my anger at home. I felt trapped in a world that was vile and disgusting, so I found myself taking it out on the kids at school. There is no excuse for what I had done, but the kids that I tormented did as I did by never saying anything to anyone. I didn't get justice for my molestation. In fact, my abuser walked away a free man without even a single arrest. That's when the courts found it desirable to take me from my mother and place me in foster care, which made my bullying worse. I felt like my mother and I were being punished for the things that had been done to me, so my anger continued to mount. I didn't stop fighting until I was about 14 years old, when I put someone in the hospital after I brutally beat her.
You're putting bullies into a box and sticking a massive label on them. Some bullies do feel remorseful, some actually regret things later on in life. Not because age caught up to them, or because their lives didn't turn out as great as they had planned. I regret the things that I had done simply because I can't believe I did that much harm to other people. Deep down, it's not who I truly was nor wanted to be.
As far as these girls go, how were they to know that the girl they were tormenting would commit suicide? They cannot be held accountable for her death, only the things that led up to it. Be angry at me all you'd like for what I'm saying, but it's true. If you want to blame someone for this girl's death, then blame the people who allowed the bullying to continue. The school, and also the parents of these bullies shrugged it off as if it was no big deal. So of course these girls are going to continue doing what they're doing, without consequences, why wouldn't they?
Most people would have jumped off of a bridge by now if they had been through even half of the shit I've been through, but I'm still here, alive and fighting. I think for the most part, it's because I had a great support system, people who were there for me unconditionally. Where was this girl's support system? Why didn't her family stand up on her behalf and stop this from happening? Having been in this situation, I would have fought tooth and nail to make sure my child felt comfortable and safe to be in school.
Furthermore, the internet as well as cell phone usage gives your children the capacity to cause more harm to others. Not only that, but as a survivor of child abuse, I have to say that it opens up way too many doors to child abusers who would love to get their hands on one of your innocents. Keep your children safe, if you're going to allow them these luxuries, at least monitor what they're doing at all times.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 07:01:33 PMThis is absolutely disgusting. I feel so bad for Pheobe and even though i would never commit suicide, i know exactly how she felt. Girls get jealous and become heartless bitches. When they get together its almost impossible to stop them. My heart goes out to her family and her. I litterally feel sick to my stomach when reading this. I wish I could've been there to be her friend. I know that sounds stupid maybe but really if I could've helped her I surely would've. I also blame the school. They should've done something instead of being the typical lazy ass council. Again my heart goes out to Pheobe and her family.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 08:27:04 PMI know what it's like I'm only in middle school and I've been in over seven fights because a girl I thought was my freiand was only using me, and I had a crush on one of the most popular guys and so that same girl started calling me a slut and the even made nasty rumors about me and it eventully got to where the girl almost pulled out a chunk of my hair and punched me in the head.....you say kids are cruel they are far beyond that!
Posted 03/31/2010 at 08:28:19 PMAdriana, more and more of you kids are commentting on here about being bullied in school. I hope you talk to your parents or school about what is going on with these girls. Don't get hurt out of these crap they are doing to you.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 08:43:35 PMHow can people do this, coming from Ireland myslef i would be petrified moving to a different country and starting a new school, this poor girl must of went through so much trauma, i hope she is in a happier place, the animals that killed her should get a longer sentance, they must of tortured phoebe beyond what we know what they did, they drove this girl to end her life she was only 15, i hope these ANIMALS or shall i say MURDERS live the rest of their lives with shame a torture thinking of what they did to phoebe,They will meet there judgement day!!! Us Irish stick together fcuk with one of us you fcuk with us all!!RIP hun x
Posted 03/31/2010 at 08:51:33 PMAfter reading both the article and the comments I am heart broken to see that some people still even after reading this are bulling each other in there comments. I am hurt to see that while you are giving out about what them girls did to Phoebe you where unable to control yourself yet resorted to calling John a ''faggot'' and telling him ''he had no friends'' I don’t know what to even say to you? This is something I am so mad and hurt about.
A wonderful angel is taking from earth due to bullying and you dictate you’re self in this manner under her storey...welll i think you need to sit down and think.
In regards to Phoebe Prince I am shocked I have experienced both public and private school and was looking to be with the popular girls in public school but in Private I was not and felt alone. I understand how she felt. I just need to say one thing about them awful girls you need to understand does anyone really know what there child is like when the parent is not around?
I honestly believe in my heart that the parents where not to blame as I cant imagine that there children came home ate dinner and relayed all the information of everything they did to children that day I do not think that Phoebe was the only target. The reason some people are popular is because they are nice and kind or because people are frightened of them and I have experienced both. This girls and boys have caused a death and I hope every night the see her face as the drift of to sleep as I know her family will.
I am sorry for these parents of the kids because that is it...They are somebody’s child...somebody’s Phoebe....
R.I.P from one Irish soul to another xxx
Posted 03/31/2010 at 09:53:05 PMI was bullied at primary school, but this has to be one of the worst I've ever heard of. What kind of people do this, and they say they don't care. This girl was so beautiful. The girls that bullied her don't even care. What kind of parents raise these bullies? They have ended a life. God will punish you. and this will haunt you for the rest of your life.
RIP Phoebe xxx
Posted 03/31/2010 at 10:55:32 PMSomeone recommended getting the parents of victims to do something before a kid commits suicide. If it saves a life then yes, but, this type of thinking does NOT solve the initial problem of bullying on ANY level. It only reinforces it as the victim's problem/burden. The bullies should have to deal with the problem, after all, they started it. We need to stop bullying before it starts, and not blame victims after it has started. I think somebody needs to train parents and their kids how to recognize and stop a bully. I'd like to think that bullying will NOT always be a part of our society. By blaming the bully and not the victim is a good start. Meaningful laws with real punishments will work.
Common sense = put the blame on whom it belongs. Certainly not on Phoebe Prince or her family. This is one of those instances where I simply cannot blame the victim. Victims of bullies are always true victims. What I mean is, they don't "ask for it". At least Phoebe didn't.
I never knew Phoebe but may she RIP.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 10:55:33 PM@Deborah Jean: I am sorry for the horrible home life you had growing up. My dad died when I was 14, my mom remarried a physically abusive alcoholic, and I was basically thrown to the curb and ignored. But I didn't become a bully. We each have choices... Become a product of our disfunctional environment, or move ahead and break away from it. In either case, making excuses for these bullies and trying to make them out to seem like poor little innocent school girls who are just being kids doesn't jive here. You say we should blame the people who allowed this to go on... I absolutely agree. I blame them, AND I blame the girls who bullied her. Where was her support system? Why didn't her family stand up on her behalf? If you had been paying attention, you'd know that her family DID stand up for her. The teachers and the pricipal all turned their backs and did NOTHING! I completely disagree with you and your notion that these girls should not be responsible. Their bullying was relentless. And they are still doing it online after her death!!! How do you explain that mentality?? Go ahead, I want you to explain it to me, and I want it to make sense!
Posted 03/31/2010 at 11:21:15 PMI was reading this and, well, i didnt believe it. i know that some popular girls think that they have the right to take over, well they dont, they think they can do anything they want to anyone, and im not steriotyping because not all are like that. this girl was beautiful and it looked like she had a lot planned for her life and this... this is jacked up.
I admit that i have to deal with a lot, but she, well she must have had so much shit happening to her (excuse my language) that well, that she... im just speachless, i broke a tear reading this because this is jacked up.... Rest In Peace Phoebe, you deserved a lot better, not this, not now.
Posted 03/31/2010 at 11:22:31 PM@ MariaV
I know how you feel Maria. But bullies always seem defend other bullies. Sad isn't it?
Posted 03/31/2010 at 11:26:37 PM@Jessie
You are so right! And your comment was so on target about educating parents and their kids on recognizing and stopping bullies. Kudos to you :)
Posted 03/31/2010 at 11:42:28 PMTWW is fully committed to the "STOP CYBER-BULLYING" initiative in memory of Phoebe Prince. Read this blog and show your support by forwarding it to everyone you know. Spread the message & STOP the Cyber-bullying! Start here:
http://www.topworldwebsite.com/blog/twweditorsblog/3594
Posted 04/01/2010 at 12:19:49 AMWe can relate to a child being bullyed. My 12 year old daughter went thru being bullyed in grade 7. It was so bad that one day she came home and actually talked about endingher life and that she didnt want to be here anymore and couldnt handle the kids anymore. That is one of the most horrifing things for a parent to hear.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 12:21:38 AMIhope those girls get exactly what they deserve. Our sympathy to Phoebe's family
Rest in peace, beautiful Phoebe. Those bitches can't get you now.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 12:47:41 AMI went to one of the biggest schools in Indianapolis and bullying was everywhere. I am bigger then most (even the jocks) so no one really ever messed with me, but we need more kids to help others and the only way they would is if the parents instill it into them
Posted 04/01/2010 at 01:16:21 AMWhere are the pics of the parents of the bullies and why are they not on trial for there lack of parenting? I believe they are going after the parents of kids who are not in school. Why are they not going after them for harassing this poor girl to the point of suicide? School administrators have enough to do daily and are suppose to be educating students, not acting as parents.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 09:06:18 AM@JBC
Posted 04/01/2010 at 09:31:34 AMIf the school administrators whitnessed and knew about what was going on, they should have reported it. All of these kids parents should have been involved. Seems to me that everyone just overlooked the situation that went on for quite some time. This could have been prevented. Its a shame.
Hey thanks for saying someone should drop a bomb on the "hick town".
I happen to live in that "hick town," and it's not a horrible place. I'm not "priviledged" and I live there. It's people like you, running their mouth, that cause trouble. So I suggest you keep it shut.
Bullying is nothing new. It's sad that it had to come to this before something is to be done.
I also think that perhaps these girls should be evaluated psychiatrically. They were spending entirely too much energy on Prince. Why would you let your world revolve around one person? I mean, really? That's sick.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 10:23:29 AMIt is such a tremendous amount of grief these familys will be living with for ever. i can tell you first hand from loosing several friends in mass to suicide its a long road. im now 29 but i too was horrifically bullied in school 8th and 9th grade were the worse always looking over my shoulder. and i like other kids in my grade had concidered suicide to stop the bullying my mother and i did go to the school they said thee was not much they could do anout TEASING..i was so afraid i was carrying i knife in my back pocket that no one knew about... i also told the school that they had a major drug prob and i informed them of how many kids were considering suicide they did nothong...buy time i was 18 i had already buried 4 friend fron od in my 20th yr in a 6mnth period i lost 5 friends 2 more ods 3 suicides.. a yr later another suicde another od and in this past yr another of each... all of these kids/young adults i tried to worn the school system about and actually the dare officer but i was dissmissed... i know what miss prince went through i was raped and tormented and i was part of the popular crowd bullying is almost made me snap several times i got help the main girl that gave me grief who i thought had it all hung her self late last yr after not being able to get off drugs what is going on is this just a mass thing that its this bad is it just my town... some real scare taticts need to be put onto place to show these kids that suicide is not away out and neither is drugs cause thatss a whole nother topic...thanx for letting ramble may peace light and love be with u ms prince
Posted 04/01/2010 at 11:17:35 AMDumb people shouldn't speak said:
These two obviously have no morals or care if they have children of their own. For you to condone this type of behavior shows the lack of respect for human life. Your parents must be so proud.
Iguessso39 said:
Tisk, tisk, tisk, it really tears my heart out to know that we now have one less foreigner in this country :)
(If her and her family had stayed in Ireland she'd probably still be alive.............hint)
Posted 03/29/2010 at 10:55:47 PM
Thingsfromwork said:
I think the 9 kids that harrassed her should all get a medal for what they did. They managed to successfully rid this country of an immigrant. Hopefully they will keep up the good work and other high school kids will follow in their foot steps and eventually we can get rid of all of the foreign born trash in this country.
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Posted 03/30/2010 at 10:57:56 AM
Posted 04/01/2010 at 11:30:25 AMWhat is your problem?
I mean Iguessso39
Posted 04/01/2010 at 11:32:42 AMThe Truth of the matter is: Phoebe Prince was let down. Let down by the very people parents intrust with their children during the hours away from home. Let down by all the Kids that knew this was going on, and did nothing or said nothing, let down by the parents of the disgusting individuals that did this to her, the parents that raised their kids allowing them to think that bullying and abusing another human being is normal and acceptable behaviour. How many of these wake up calls do we need? when and where is the absolute zero tolerance to bullying?
Posted 04/01/2010 at 11:45:26 AMI am not only outraged and emotionally upset that this happened to a beautiful young girl, but am truly disgusted and troubled that this is a recurring issue in our society. The girls who belittled and harassed Phoebe deserve more than suspension from school. If proper punishment is not taken in consideration what message are you sending, you will not be and this will continue to happen and there will be more stories such as Phoebe's that we will hear about. To disgrace her honor even after her death by having the nerve to post insensitive comments on facebook, is truly sick.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 12:07:59 PMThis is horrific, How can the mere suspension of these perpetrators be the punishment fit for the crime of direct annihilation, degradation, dehumanization, the ensuing Murder of a young girl? The people and kids who did this should be ashamed....no.. DISGUSTED is not even a strong enough word to describe the way these people should feel with themselves, to be so idiotic as to negate the impact of the putrid and hateful words and actions that came forth from them. The parents are just as idiotic, even more so, as to kid themselves into believing that their child is innocent when the evidence: the lifeless body of a another child, Phoebe Price, now sorrowfully exists as blatant testament to the ignorance of all those individuals who turned blind eyes, deaf ears, and mute mouths towards a communal disease of disregard and disrespect that has afflicted itself upon society for many years. It is necessary, no, critical, that these perpetrators be punished severely to bring attention to the dangerous impact of ignorance, and disregard for others. It is time to deconstruct the normalization of bullying as an inherent aspect within society as it is an injustice, and needs to be properly dealt with.
-Lyn
Posted 04/01/2010 at 02:07:13 PMShitty school.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 02:35:39 PMKayla, Sean, Ashley, and all the rest of you, I have something to say, and I'll make it brief: You are disgusting, evil little pieces of shit who ought to be flushed down the toilet. I look forward to the day when you are all wearing your cute little jail uniforms. I love that your names are being exposed all over the internet for everyone to see. Everyone hates you! And I'm sure the reason you all did this was because you thought you were above the law. Well, you're not!! Good luck in jail. I hear it's really fun in there, especially for people like you.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 04:12:16 PMThose so called popular girls are garbage. Thery arn't even pretty. They are insecure girls looking to feel better by putting down others. My sympathy goes to the family and friends of poor Phoebe. Those girls & guys that bullied should be put in prison with the criminals. We dont need those people in the streets.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 04:39:52 PMI'm shocked by the number of posters here who don't seem to be aware that it's illegal to have sex with a 15 year-old, if you yourself are over the age of consent. That's what the term "statutory rape" means: having sex with someone who is not old enough for her (or his) consent to be legally relevant. Regardless of whether you believe 15 is old enough to make that decision, It's the law in most states.
But totally aside from that, it seems to me that the police are using the statutory rape charges as a way to put the suspects between a rock and a hard place. My guess is that the kids will somehow try to defend their actions by claiming that they were only speaking the truth (and exercising their 1st Amendment rights) by spreading the word that Phoebe was a "slut." But if that's their claim, then the boys she allegedly slept with are statutory rapists. On the other hand, if the boys deny that they ever slept with Phoebe, then the kids were spreading vicious lies about her out of pure malice... which is slander, and which would then entitle her parents to sue the pants off all of them. In other words, it's a way of putting them legally on the hook for their behavior, regardless of whether the things they said about her were true.
Because really, it shouldn't matter whether she slept with those boys or not. It still doesn't justify harassment, threats, stalking, and physical violence on one of their classmates.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 08:50:01 PMSuperintendent Sayer would be smart to stop talking. He is not being honest. Period. There is NO WAY that the school only knew 7 days before Phoebe Prince died because her mother had made the bullying by the other students known to school personnel. It is time for Sayers to bring in a neutral and independent investigative team to find out the real facts if he does not want to accept those uncovered by the prosecutor. I think those of us with school administration background, legal backgrounds and teaching can see the writing on the wall. I believe the end result will be that the principal, vice principal, vice superintendent, superintendent as well as a few other administrative personnel will see the end of their careers because they ALL FAILED PHOEBE PRINCE AND HER DEATH IS ALSO ON THEIR HANDS. The parents of those indicted need to be interviewed and perhaps charged along with their criminal children. What is it going to take to turn things around in this country? Why do educated professionals so often let the privileged students run the school? Let Dr. Sayer and perhaps the principal travel to Ireland and explain to Phoebe's father, family in Ireland and many friends how their indifference added to the pain Phoebe suffered. Shame on all of you. Hang your heads. You have let down one young girl who needed your support. You have blood on your hands. I am guessing several of you will also find reconsideration by the prosecutor and charges against some of you administrators. Peace to the Prince family. May Phoebe rest in peace.
Posted 04/01/2010 at 11:48:16 PMyes he school does bear some responsibility here but we cant continue to let them raise our kids for us come on people read the bible and you'll get the answer to how to stop this stuff spare the rod spoil the child the parents also should be charged with some sort of crime although i don't know what it would be
Posted 04/02/2010 at 12:57:47 AMAs the granddaughter of an Irish immigrant, I know how sweet and gentle these people are. My heart goes out to this poor girl who was excited to be starting a new life in a new country and ended up having to deal with this bunch of trash. What a bad taste of America she got. As a victim of bullying in school myself back in the 70s, I know all too well how painful and devastating it can be. Would this behavior be tolerated in the workplace? You'd be out the door on your butt before you knew what hit you. Kids need protection from this too. Enough of this B.S. already.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 01:44:00 AMIguessso39 said:
Tisk, tisk, tisk, it really tears my heart out to know that we now have one less foreigner in this country :)
(If her and her family had stayed in Ireland she'd probably still be alive.............hint)
Posted 03/29/2010 at 10:55:47 PM
Thingsfromwork said:
I think the 9 kids that harrassed her should all get a medal for what they did. They managed to successfully rid this country of an immigrant. Hopefully they will keep up the good work and other high school kids will follow in their foot steps and eventually we can get rid of all of the foreign born trash in this country.
Posted 03/29/2010 at 11:00:36 PM
Now stop and think real hard, Iguesso. You're more than likely here because of, that's right, an IMMIGRANT.
What a heartless, stupid comment.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 02:16:26 AMIrish Girl Seeing Red, Iguessso39 is sitting around in his bedroom with his friends smoking cigs and pot talking about how no good everyone is. All foreigners should go back to their own country. They don't like people of color, they don't like Catholic's, they don't like.........They are unemployed, uneducated ,hateful fools, sitting behind a computer where they are safe with diarrhea of the mouth.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 03:15:42 AMGod Bless Phoebe, we all love you sweet girl.
For those of you who think that the bullies are 100% to blame then think again. Ive been bullied and I have bullied and I know what its like to feel both. I bullied because I was bullied, and also because I had personal issues that nobody knew about. It wasn't until I talked to the school guidance councilor that I started to realized that this whole bullying thing was more then just skin deep. My bullying thing went back years. What these girls need is emotional help, they need to be taught how to deal with their issues other then taking it out on other people. I'm pretty sure that anyone who has been bullied and who has bullied knows what i'm talking about.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 09:27:25 AM@Irish Girl Seeing Red
Unless you are Native American and your ancestors are have walked this land for hundreds of years...Your family was also immigrants at one point. So STFU!
Posted 04/02/2010 at 09:53:01 AMaer: You have some nerve to blame this on Phoebe for being "sick." Let's see you deal with constant degrading harassment, name calling and threats of violence every single day. Let's see how stable you feel if that happened to you. Those girls who bullied her found fun in what they did! They are HORRIBLE and THEY are the ones who are sick and unstable and can we all JEALOUS. Look at how lovely Phoebe was. Normal, healthy people DON'T bully. God bless you, Phoebe!
Posted 04/02/2010 at 12:14:46 PMthis is ashame.alls this 15 yr. old girl wanted to do was experience america and what she got was torture. i say torture because i know exactly how it feels to be bullied.it went from just verbal to physical in a matter of a month or two. i cried and it got to the point where i almost killed myself, but i got help and im ok. but this poor girl wasnt and those little bitches continued to be that way. someone needs to stop this kind of crap so this doent happen to some other girl or boy, because i can guarantee this same thing will happen pretty soon.-R.I.P PHOEBE PRINCE!
Posted 04/02/2010 at 12:22:43 PM@Pencil
Yes one girl - new to the country - was supposed to stand up to a gang of mean, loud-mouthed girls?
What world do you live in?
Posted 04/02/2010 at 12:34:24 PMi was sorta bullied in middle school for standing out. i was pale, black long hair, and have blue eyes. fellow classmates called me names. i didnt even do nothing to them, i did defend myself which still cause them to bullied more.at one point i started to cry in my room, and was thinking of suicide. but in no way i had it like phoebe!! what she fucken suffered!! those assholes/bitches should go to jail! and now, its cool to look pale, have black hair and blue eyes! wtf?? i still look like that. i was still named bullied in high school, but not so much. i just ignored it and realized they were ugly and jealous!!haha.. I THINK EVERY BULLY OUT THERE SHOULD SEE, THE FINAL MOVIE 2010! some bullied tees turn out to have a mass massacre at there school because fuckers bully them!! my present boyfriend was bullied in high school for wearing tight pants, they would call him gay, faggot and threw stuff at him. i defended him at times.. i am his girlfriend, and they were calling him faggot! its stupid! those jealouse assholes!! and me and boyfriend are still together..
Posted 04/02/2010 at 05:13:19 PMSomeone should do something about this...i mean..shes 15!
Posted 04/02/2010 at 05:37:03 PMI want to clarify my comment above. How do you expect one girl to defend herself against NINE people who were harassing her and threatening physical abuse? Now some are saying she should have stood up for herself. And do what? How? Do you think if she had just asked, they would have miraculously stopped the abusive behavior? One against nine (and probably more) . . . she must have felt so scared.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 07:43:50 PMA.B. can imagine if Phoebe had defended herself against this gang of punks what they would have done to her? Phoebe first of all was tiny, those girls that bullied her are big and a couple are fat, she wouldn't have stood a chance.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 08:32:05 PMSandy. I'm on your side. I was answering some comments above that said she could have done something. She was outnumbered and probably too sweet and nice to deal with those monsters. I agree with you 100%.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 08:36:19 PMHYEmark - The comments made against immigrants were not from me--they were from "Iguesso39" and "Thingsfromwork" I was quoting them and remarking on the heartless and stupid nature of those comments. Please tell them to STFU, not me!
My sentiments about immigrants are exactly the same as yours--I'm the granddaughter of one.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 10:21:53 PMI just find it sad that the kids will get no real time for this now that they've been indited.
To be honest I hope the parents file a wrongful death suit against the school, all teachers who knew (even though they say they didn't) and all parents so that they cannot afford to pay for their kids lawyers and thereby they can feel the full repercussions of driving someone to commit suicide.
I hope that the kids that got charged with statutory rape also go to jail for it because even though they're convicts they have their own sense of justice.
Posted 04/02/2010 at 10:48:42 PMTo be a bully means you are vicious and cruel and ugly-to-the-core. WHY would gang mentality lead you to think it's okay to let your peers see that when you bully or verbally attack/taunt others, then you are really revealing that YOU are vicious and cruel and heartless. Bullying is NOT cool! It is all about how truly nasty and sick the tyrant is and very little to do with the victim. STOP being overbearing control freaks: BULLIES ARE SICKO LOSERS and nothing less.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 12:15:25 AMThose that don't blame the school are wrong. The schools are a large part of the problem. Remember back when when you were in young and in school (elementary). The schools ENCOURAGE all the kids to 'BE THE SAME', 'DRESS THE SAME (UNIFORMS), 'THINK ALIKE', 'DON'T BE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT IS NOT RIGHT/GOOD'. Automatons for the workforce.
In this case, the administration AND teachers knew what was going on and did nothing to help this girl. Phoebe Prince did nothing wrong other than being a pretty girl, with an abundantly charming accent (the 'different the schools warn you about), who accepted a date from the wrong boy...
Jealousy...period!
Posted 04/03/2010 at 01:28:12 AMirishgirl....
I read the Daily Mail, not bullying is NOT just an American Phenomenon. The only reason you think that is because we've had school shootings reported since the 70's. In the UK you have students stabbing, raping, strangling, setting on fire and all other kinds 'crimes'...and YOU seem to have a larger amount of teachers who are violent towards you students than we do...just saying...
Posted 04/03/2010 at 01:40:01 AMI went through the same kind of harassment in middle school. I was in the same spot as Pheobe but thankfully I had a friend catch me before I proceded to kill myself. The school systems these days are completely out of control. I repeatedly told my teachers about the bullying and nothing was ever done to stop it. I ended up not going to school for months and now I go to a charter high school where socializing is not aloud. Bullying does much more harm then those kids think it does. I went from being a social butterfly, to not wanting to even leave my house. I cannot go out without being in fear of running into the kids that used to bully me and have them say something, so I stay in my house all the time except for four hours a week when I go to school. Bullying is way to common, and there is not enough being done to stop it. It is very unfortunate that this girl was not helped before it was too late, and its even more unfortunate that she could find no other way to solve the problem but to take her life. That goes to show you how helpless she felt. My heart goes out to her and her family.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 03:28:51 AMLet me start by saying that not all bullies support other bullies, though I'm sure that your prejudiced mind would like to think so.
People are unique both physically and emotionally, so their reactions to certain events may differ than others. It is true that we all have choices, but sometimes those choices can be out of our control, especially if we're at a young age and haven't yet learned other ways of coping with the anger and pain that we have to deal with on a daily basis. How do you teach an eight-year-old anger management when she hasn't even begun psychotherapy? If you want to talk about choices, a 15 year old knows what choices she has, so don't tell me that her only choice was suicide. I am not making excuses for these bullies, I am merely stating that they should not be charged for her death, only for what led up to her death. I was also trying to point out that the article made generalizations about bullies, ones which aren't always true. It's not just the pretty cheerleaders who bully, in fact, the cheerleaders in my school NEVER bullied. And no, her family and her support system was NOT there for her. Had it been my child, I wouldn't have had to talk to the school because her ass wouldn't have even went back to class. If she was receiving texts and emails, then she wouldn't be allowed near a computer. It's that simple. And as far as what these girls are doing after her death...who the heck cares? If they stop talking now, is it going to bring the girl back from the dead? No, so why care? They are immature, there's no doubt about that, but why let these idiotic teenagers bother you?
Posted 04/03/2010 at 04:43:06 AMAbsolutely disgusting what these bratty kids were doing and even more disgusting that the teachers ignored the obvious warning signs and failed to maintain control on the campus!
I have 2 daughters myself and I always worry about how out of control some parents allow their kids to get.
I'll tell you this. If I ever caught one of my girls doing any of those things with a computer or cell phone these spoiled brats were doing, I'd take it away. Yeah, there's always some bullying that goes on but parents are responsible for discipling their kids to behave in a civil manner.
There are very clear laws about using a land line to make obscene, threatening or abusive phone calls. Why should cell phones and computers be governed any differently? This is becoming especially true now that the "children's phone" in the house is a thing of the past-replaced with the cell phone,texting and laptop computers.
I hope the parents of this poor girl sue and win bigtime. Sadly it will never bring their daughter back to them, but it would send a clear message that decent society is fed up with KIDS running the show while their parents and teachers cower behind excuses like "I don't know" and "I didn't see anything."
You're a parent and "you didn't see this"------well maybe attend a PTA meeting now and then and give up a round of golf to do it. Better yet, TEACH your kids that this is NOT what normal civilized people do. And if they do it, PUNISH them where it hurts.
Completely disgusting!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 04/03/2010 at 07:11:38 AMI propose a personal campaing of an eye for an eye. We all know these kids names and we all have access to the internet. Do what you can to get them back..hackers do something useful for a change and get these bastards. Those that live close to Hadley, get these evil kids back.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 10:57:45 AMMy god they would get you without thinking twice.
Let's stop talking about what garbage these indirect murderers are and actually take the trash out!!!
Sweet_Revenge...I can relate to where youre coming from,...but such things often become an endless string of chain-reactions. One person gets revenge on
another for This or that reason, then another individual seeks counter-revenge
against that Individual,...and pretty soon you have nothing but a Chaotic Chain of Violence and Malice...so vast that most forget who Dealt the first blow to begin with.
I think they should indeed be Punished for their Crimes, Juvenile detention centers and so forth. It won't surprise me in the least if a few months down the
Posted 04/03/2010 at 11:09:44 AMline i read about the Victims family suing the girls Parents and possibly the School for Wrongful death and infliction of emotional distress/damage.
I was bullied in the fourth grade and will NEVER forget what that feels like. I remember wanting to kill myself, but I couldn't say goodbye to my family. God bless you Phoebe. You will stay in my heart forever.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 11:20:20 AMI'm sorry you had to endure that Formerbullyvictim, no one should have to.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 11:32:56 AMIt looks like you maintained your decency and compassion for others though, so be proud that you didn't turn into a Mass Murderer, or Serial Killer with a grudge against the world. It sounds like you have a good support system in your family, that always helps.
I was picked on briefly in high school and it was horrible, I know violent behavior is not the answer, but I kicked the crap out of the toughtest girls and that ended it real fast. I just wish that phoebe prince coould of done that too.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 05:02:58 PMIm sorry, this IS terrible- but what is worse to me is the frigen articles about this girl. Ya girls suck and boys are assholes, this poor family lost their daughter?! and people are writing about it like its a frigen steven king novel. personally, as a funeral director, i think its inappropriate that any discussion take place other than the family that mourns the loss of their baby. yes it is tragic. and girls can be girls, boys can be boys, but the ones who DID add to this tragic event, know who they are, and will NEVER forget it. I feel its time to let this family have some peace. to any family member reading this, my sincere condolences, from st. catharines, ontario.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 09:36:22 PMWhy should people have to "suck it up".. I just don't understand this. You'd rather kill yourself than punch a bitch in the face? No, that's not drastic at all.. NO ONE has any right to lay a finger on you, EVER. Learn to fucking defend yourself, it's not that big a deal. We're given one life, and people choose to spend it in pain cause they don't realize that they don't HAVE to go through all this. How can people just stand around like helpless craps their entire life? How can parents actually encourage that?! Just because a person is "omigawd, like, sooo popularrr" doesn't mean they can throw food at you, or intimidate you. That's bs. This kind of shit pisses me off. And where the hell were all the piece of shit teachers and administrators? Mel, this is EXACTLY why things like Columbine happen.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 10:10:40 PMTo call these things "bratty" is an understatement. They are pure evil bitches, proven that fact from their actions after this pour girl committed suicide. They don't need to be treated like kids with a slap on the wrist and a vacation from school. They need jail time. Let them see what real bullying is about. Someone needs to given them the ass whooping of their life.
Posted 04/03/2010 at 11:58:05 PMIn NYC where I live for the last several months in the newspapers it seems that the schools can take quick and swift action on several issues such as a girl writing on her desk, a five year old boy acting out, a nine year old boy bringing a two inch toy gun to school, two high school teachers making out and on teacher sending inappropriate text messages to a male student. However, when it comes to bullying teachers and administrators don't seem to take quick and swift action on this. Even though all the things these people did was wrong and should be punished but I think bullying another student is even worse and it is even worse when it happens in front of a teacher or administrator and they just do nothing. It is time that teachers and administrators start taking quick and swift action on bullying. If they can take action on all the other situations then they can take action on the bullying.
Posted 04/05/2010 at 04:18:36 PMI not only blame the girls who tormented Phoebe, but I blame the parents.I think that the parents need to get their heads out of their butts and start to disipline these kids when they are young and teach them some manners.We wouldnt have as many problems as we do. I was bullied in school also and have thought of killing myself but I knew that my family loved me too much. These kids who are bullied need to have someone they can go to and tell and know that they are safe doing so. What has gone wrong with this world!
Posted 04/05/2010 at 05:09:15 PMThese kids are lucky this was not my daughter, I am a great believer in victims rights over that of the perpetrator, you violate the rights of someone you lose yours period, my punishment on them would would make them regret their crimes for eternity.
Posted 04/06/2010 at 10:23:39 AMThese white pages lookup sites where you just enter a last name and the zip 01075 are great resources for learning more about the bullies. Its not iron clad but one girl and one boy's families seem to have a big interest in construction related to a nearby military facility. ie rich kids
Posted 04/06/2010 at 11:48:38 AMI hope the Prince family takes every da#n cent
I hope the girls who did this rot in prison and spend their "best years" there. There should be no ounce of mercy on them. They are pure evil, callous, disgusting excuses for human beings. I don't care if they were only 16 and 17 year olds. What really gets me is the way they gloated about it after they found out about her death--not a morsel of regret. Give them the maximum sentences and more!
Posted 04/06/2010 at 01:24:19 PMHow about this, those that allegedly are charged, what crime did they actually committ? It seems to me, and this is from experience, when you receive unwanted texts, you block the number. And no one can post a comment on a facebook page unless they are a "friend". Furthermore, bullying is a part of life. Employers, co-workers, random strangers, and peers do it all the time is some form or another. This poor girl? What about those poor girls charged with a crime they never committed? These cases will never make it to trial. What evidence is there that they had anything to do with her death? This is nothing more than people wanting some place to place the blame for the girl taking her own life. Lets take a look at the parents. People don't decide to kill themselves at the blink of an eye. This girl had to be displaying the signs for some time. Why aren't the parents being charged with neglect of a dependent?
The attorneys, especially those that specialize in Constitutional law, are salivating at the mouth over these charges. Freedom of speech people!!! We can say what we want when we want as long as it is not defamatory to others. These girls had every legal right to call this young lady a slut, whore, or whatever. And if those words drove her to suicide, then she was too weak to survive anyway.
Posted 04/06/2010 at 08:40:38 PMI dont understand what made these kids think they could treat a person this way but i hope they get punished for what they did. And phoebe was tormented by stupid,unethical,Mean girls.it makes me sick. The girls that were involved WILL get what they deserve.
Posted 04/06/2010 at 08:52:29 PMI'm an immigrant who moved USA 2 years ago, I have a 12 years old son who attends a public school; he's still a middle schooler and the are where we live is one of the nicest in town so it's not that common to see this extreme bullying incidents that end in tragedy, otherwise I would be petrified and packing to go back.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 04:15:19 AMI wonder where are the parents of these pathological abusers? It's truth that one way or another all we have experienced problems at school but this kind of behavior it's not 'normal' ; there is something really wrong with these individuals.
Again, where were the parents? Should we believe they didn't know what their children were doing? Impossible! They knew.
Also, where were the school authorities? This is outrageous!!!
Jerry Jinks, how about this, with some luck you will drop dead. No one on here wants to explain to you the charges that these 9 bastards are being charged with. Read the Article!!! Who gives a shit what you think? These 9 bastards are being charged with not ONE CRIME A PIECE, but SEVERIAL CRIMES.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 05:31:13 AMThis is so very sad, it's an American tragedy that this goes on, I cried when I heard about this girl. And whats up with these boys ganging up with the bully girls to bully another girl? I've never seen boys act like this! Our boys are becoming way to girly (meaning boys used to stop this stuff from going on)...
#1. I tell my daughter everyday that after HIgh School ends she will never see most of her school mates again.
#2. Every day I tell her how smart, funny and beautiful she is...
#3. I tell her not to trust most of the kids at school, EVER! She has maybe 3-4 really good friends and thats it. She's active with yearbook club and Marching Band and other sctivities to keep her busy.
#4. I tell her that if any other girl or boy ever puts his\her hands on her, ever, pokes her, pushes her, pulls her hair or Hits her ... I tell her the first thing to observe is if she's out-numbered to Scream Fire and Run for help as fast as she can!! BUT if she is in a hallway at school or in a bathroom and if she'sn not out numbered and its one on one To Give It All She's Got..and Fight like a Soldier and dont stop swinging till the fat lady starts a singin!! If she is defending herself I will back her and stand up for her to the school!
Our children who are in school to take part, learn, study, enjoy and abide by the rules have got to start defending themselves.. I'd bet ya if "its one on one" the bully would either go down for the count or take a few punches that just might make the bully (him or her) thnk twice next time!
I grew up in an inner city and its obvious that our kids need to start defending themselves. Also the teachers need to be more proactive.. They neeed to take action to stop the bullies and they need to keep a record with the school like a log book to cover themselves and the district..
God Help our Kids and lets all say a little prayer that this beautiful girl (and as we can all see from her photo she is a beautiful girl) lets pray she has found peace and pray for her family too..
Posted 04/07/2010 at 11:10:17 AMJerry Jinks said:
How about this, those that allegedly are charged, what crime did they actually committ? It seems to me, and this is from experience, when you receive unwanted texts, you block the number. And no one can post a comment on a facebook page unless they are a "friend". Furthermore, bullying is a part of life. Employers, co-workers, random strangers, and peers do it all the time is some form or another. This poor girl? What about those poor girls charged with a crime they never committed? These cases will never make it to trial. What evidence is there that they had anything to do with her death? This is nothing more than people wanting some place to place the blame for the girl taking her own life. Lets take a look at the parents. People don't decide to kill themselves at the blink of an eye. This girl had to be displaying the signs for some time. Why aren't the parents being charged with neglect of a dependent?
The attorneys, especially those that specialize in Constitutional law, are salivating at the mouth over these charges. Freedom of speech people!!! We can say what we want when we want as long as it is not defamatory to others. These girls had every legal right to call this young lady a slut, whore, or whatever. And if those words drove her to suicide, then she was too weak to survive anyway.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 02:31:20 PMLet me ask you this Jerry. Have you ever been bullied? If you had you wouldn't say this. Nobody has a right to call any names that offend anybody. Nobody has the right to hurt another person. Nobody has the right to do anything that makes a person uncomfortable. Every person has thoughts and feelings and some express their feelings more than others do. And nobody is perfect. But nobody has the right to bully anybody. Try being bullied day in and day out because of one little flaw that nobody likes about you. And then try changing it and when you try changing all those flaws and getting picked on for other flaws. Day in and day out I thought is who is going to bother me today. I spent the majority of my life dodging bullets from bullies only to be bullied on a website because I said the wrong thing, I wrote too long a answer to a question, I don't have a sense of humor or whatever it was I said the wrong thing and that was that. And then after I closed my account I see a thread with a memorial as if I was dead of all the things I wrote that bothered these people. And then nobody does anything because they just don't want to do extra work to help with my reputation. Yeah you block the text and yeah nobody is your friend unless you give them permission but lets face it. There is always somebody out there who has your number and who has your account. If you don't want the bully to bother you the best thing to do is not give them your number or keep yourself as low as possible. I see your attitude towards the victim is it is their fault somehow. It is not their fault. Many of them never asked to be bullied and you know what? If you lived a mile in the victim's shoes you will see how unhappy she was and maybe then you wouldn't write those hurtful things here.
Jerry Jinks
Ok you contradicted yourself in your post.
"We can say what we want when we want as long as it is not defamatory to others.
These girls had every legal right to call this young lady a slut, whore, or whatever."
Now, from what i remember calling anyone a slut or whore counts as defamatory. And by all rights the girls could be sued for defamation of character.
I'm also guessing that you have never had a bad word spoken about you in your life, that or you have always been the one speaking bad about others. And if either of these are truthful, then you don't know how much it can hurt a person to be called a slut or whore or even an asshole (in your case).
Read these news articles VERY carefully. They clearly state that Pheobe's mother did go to the school trying to rectify what was happening to her daughter. The school let this girl down. Not only that but I question the upbringing of the bullies.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 02:57:05 PMI love how this article describes the vial little children that bullied this poor girl. Whoever these girls parents are, they should be very ashamed of themselves for bringing such trash into this world. And the devilish bullying creatures who think they actually matter, I hope they like hot weather, because when they die in jail ...they will be experiencing plenty of nice hot fiery weather.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 08:21:22 PMSorry, this is what happens when I read the news...
I don’t think it really matters whether she attended a public or private school bulling happens everywhere. Bullying is an unfortunate part of life that everyone experiences both directly and indirectly. I don’t agree with the bullies, or think what they did was right and justified. But I do believe that people writing on here saying how they hope “the vile little sluts get what they deserve” take a minute to think if they have ever been the ones bullying others. I’m sure everyone has done it, or stood buy and did nothing to stop it. It seems to be human nature or maybe its just the way society has created us, anyone seen as unfit isn’t allowed to be apart of it. I’m not really sure when going to school turned into a game of survival of the fittest but it’s a part of life that we should all accept. I find it kind of strange that this girl resorted to suicide when she had so many other options to get help. Being a high school student myself I know that schools do try to spread the word about bullying and offer many options for help. My PUBLIC high school has had countless motivational speakers, counselors, people working with the police, and anti bullying bands come to our school. As I’m typing this, my computer mouse is actually resting on an anti-cyber bullying mouse pad that was given out at a motivational assembly. Students at my school have been given cards, phone numbers, and websites that offer help and advice. So why did Phoebe Prince result to suicide? Why didn’t she reach out to her friends, teachers, or most importantly her family? This is why I don’t think the students that ridiculed and teased her should be crucified so severely, yes they did something cruel and wrong but they didn’t actually force Phoebe to take the rope and make her do what she did. I am against bullying and I think it’s terrible what happened to Phoebe. I don’t think it’s the public school or her parents fault but I do think that people shouldn’t be so quick to try and blame the ones who did it using the typical stereotype of “perfect blonde popular cheerleader.”
Posted 04/07/2010 at 11:28:23 PMGeez. if i were her i wouldve gotten the boy to ask them to stop. i feel real bad for the family, but angry at phobe. Think about how selfish the school is, but her to for making her family suffer. it wasnt as bad as the boy hit by boards and killed in the Chicago high school.
Posted 04/07/2010 at 11:37:04 PMi grew up in the 60s and 70s i know about bullying even back than but i never said anything to anybody but i used to have to run home from school in highschool sometimes my sister in law used to have to meet me when she could it was horrible my self esteem was about 0 at the time and deeply affected why my life right now at the age of 54 still is affected by this i was molested by two men and almost was attacted by another boy it with the also coming from a disfunctioning family together i really believe now that is one of the reasons i started drinking alcholicly and drugs got in the way of me graduating school i would like to right a book on my life
Posted 04/08/2010 at 09:28:31 AMIf one looks past the court drama and the multiple lives ruined, especially the life of the victim, it boils down to one basic question. How can people be so cruel? Excuse my language, but who the fuck do these kids think they are that they had that kind of power? That's bull shit. No one on the face of this earth should have the ability to make an individual feel like they are less than they are. I'll keep the victim's family in my prayers. As for the bullies, are you happy now?
Posted 04/08/2010 at 10:47:22 AMSimply put: Jerry Jinks is an asshole. Sounds like he was the same type of kid as the kids being charged ... and has children like that, himself!
"Too weak to survive anyway" ??? What the fuck? Is an 80 y/o veteran too weak to survive? Is a week old infant too weak to survive? Is a 15 year old girl who is being tormented daily too weak to survive? Who the hell is this Jerry? I pity him ... he's either a completely ignorant bastard, or a complete loser ...
Thoughts and prayers to Phoebe's family & friends. She was a beautiful girl.
And, I'll say it again ... FUCK JERRY
Posted 04/08/2010 at 11:33:37 AMits realy sick to know thats what popular girls are like in america i taught mean girls was just a cliche obviously i was wrong..its a shame though how your have to go to a private school to make sure your safe and get a good education. im from ireland and theres two girls from america in my year in school, me and my friend where asking them what school is like in america and they told us the popular girls arent very nice but she said popular girls here are nice even though we go to a public school. its a shame realy thats the way they are, i suppose we would be like that aswel if 'daddy' spoiled us, bad parenting it is realy. if any of us bullyed someone(which we wouldnt)and that person commited suicide,you would never be able live with yourself, but yet these girls are still going round showing no remorse for what they done just goes to show there not physical well..
my heart goes out to here family..
Ar dheis dé go raibh a anam..
Posted 04/08/2010 at 01:23:47 PMWe will never forget you..x
Fighting about this issue won’t make anything better. To set an example for us teens is crucial in the world of today. Don’t fret about all the ignorant comments made by others on here. Stop. Pray. Mourn for this little girl and her family. It isn’t right. I’m a senior in high school and I watch this stuff happen all the time. Don’t waste the chance to help someone in need. It’s too late for Miss Phoebe but what about all the others? Just take time out of your day to just say “hi” “how are you” “do you need anything” to the youth of today. After all, we are the future. You don’t want your legacy to be all about bashing teenagers who are sickening. Yes, they need to be seriously punished. Don’t get me wrong. But don’t waste your time about bashing them too. You don’t want them to commit suicide because of all the comments and hateful words your’e posting about them. That’s just as bad as what they did. Be the bigger person and turn the other cheek. Let’s pray and mourn for this little girl and her family. That’s the important thing. R.I.P. Miss Phoebe Prince. You are in MY prayers.
Posted 04/08/2010 at 03:55:12 PMi would like to think that the justice system has improved.its very sad to lose a child at such a young age.my daughter hung herself and its sad when children have to go through these phases.bullying in any form should be illegal.im sorry for your loss and i hope you all get the justice you seek.
Posted 04/08/2010 at 05:15:09 PMthose have no life... they were jealous of her and everything.. i really hope that those girls get freakin betten up... they should all be hung......FREAKINNNNNNNNN FAGOOOOOOOOOOOOTS
Posted 04/08/2010 at 07:54:56 PMi truly DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
someone harasses YOU,YOU KICK THEIR ASS and it will get settled damn fast.
someone is unjustly harrassing a delicate type you would most definitely STEP UP and kick ass and then take names for future reference.
all this bs with counseling,meetings/negotiating/touchy feely crap HAS led to this.
our children are taught that to FIGHT BACK is wrong.
our children are taught to step back when a friend is threatened....and run for a teacher or adult in charge...
meanwhile the vulnerable get crushed.
just about everybody has been taunted,pushed,shoved etc and when you don't fight back,your torment will continue.
anyone out here who went to overcrowded city schools knows what i'm saying is the truth.
Posted 04/08/2010 at 08:17:04 PMfight back
and make sure your kids understand that self defense IS a right.
unfortunately ,this is how these schools are and have been for generations.
......but there IS a "missing link" throughout the narrative.
no,we're not blaming the victim,but common sense tells you this.
WHY was there absolutely no support from even 1 friend,her sister,etc ?
InMourning said:
The writer wrote, “America, it seems, did not give her a very kind welcome.”
This is false. Phoebe Prince had friends, a lot of them actually. She was a smart, pretty, charming girl and a lot of people liked her. It’s unfortunate that those few people that didn’t like her went too far. We are all upset, and we would all like for the girls to be punished, but it’s absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Leave it up to the police. You, from other towns, don’t know a damned thing about what is going on in our community right now. All you know, or all you think you know, is that some poor immigrant was bullied and killed herself.
People of the world, did you know that she had friends? She had a lot of really good friends. We’re all upset by this, so please let us mourn.
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Posted 04/08/2010 at 08:50:06 PMLM@O ! you better be a freeeeekin troll to post such shyte.
IF you were 1 of her friendS....where the hell were YOU when those PsOS were in her face and harassing her ?
friendS..HER FriENDS...??? as in plural/more than 1 ?
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be sure and get couseling for your EXAGGERATED GRIEF REACTION you coward.
I'm a 15 year old in High School,and I can honestly say it's sad to admit that I,a fifteen year old may possibly be abit more mature than some of the people posting on here.
First of all,I find it really hypocritical that some of the people on here are talking about how wrong this was to go and torture someone like that,and then go to torture the bitches who committed this crime in pretty much the same kind of way. Yeah what they did was wrong,but you going to harass them is only doing the same thing that they did. Karma and Guilt will catch up to them,and I believe in letting it all fall into place naturally.
Plus,what's really sad is that this kind of crime isn't even something new. It's just that it took the adults of America to finally open their eyes and see that this kind of shit really happens. I live in Northern California and just last month this one dude I know committed suicide cuz he didn't feel like he fit in or anything,and this isn't just in America. Reading some of the posts,this happens in other countries too. It's not just here in the US,though it's probably more common here in the US because somewhat of a proven fact that as a majority,US Teenagers are more immature than teens in other countries,thus why our privileges are always being taken away from us like driving at 16 and alcohol ect. which explains these girls behaviors. Here in California girls like that usually end up being isolated by their friends for being such bitches and then end up leaving the school because no one wants to put up with such people.
Poor Phoebe,whether she had a lot of friends or not at her school. She was still probably coping with the moving to another country,leaving old friends and family,and everything.If it's true she had friends at that school,then I'm sure they tried. Just because she committed suicide,doesn't mean she didn't have good friends. It might have been a situation where even if she had good friends at her new school,she could have been depressed to the point where from her point of view suicide was the only way out of it. I've been bullied and depressed in middle school,which is usually when you see kids acting like ignorant assholes.You'd expect high school students to be a bit more mature.I would even expect them too.
R.I.P. Phoebe Prince.
Posted 04/08/2010 at 11:07:39 PMYou know, I saw this on the news a few minutes ago and I just had to say something. I really hope and pray that those that bullied her go to jail and don't get off the hook for "being just kids". I think that the kids today know what bullying can do and still continue to do it. There needs to be a real adult-punishment. If not, then kids can get off the hook for killing students (bullys) at school for "just being kids". Come on, they knew what they were doing and should be punished. Involuntary manslaughter anyone?
Posted 04/09/2010 at 08:01:04 AMBad parents raise the kind of trash kids that bully and abuse other innocent children.
If your kid is a bully then you're not doing your job as a parent and it's unfortunate that the rest of the world has to pay the price for your lack of parenting skills.
God Bless Phoebe's family and friends and may justice finallly be served in her name.
Posted 04/09/2010 at 09:34:59 AMWhat kind of parents breed this kind of trash? America looks so awful compared to the rest of the world, this sucks. Rest in Peace Phoebe.
Posted 04/09/2010 at 03:57:51 PMTo people who think other girls and people from other towns know nothing about how you feel you are entirely wrong. Many girls bully and are rude and take things to the extreme its insulting that you think that we know nothing about it. To the people who feel they shouldn't be punished you're all enablers allowing the bullys to keep on doing what they do. People get hurt from bullying. In fact bullying kills, and its time that bullys should be punished. Suicide may not be the only way out, but coming from experience when your getting insluts and nasty words thrown in your face it doesn't always seem like there's a way out.
To the family and friends of Pheobe Prince,I give you my condolences and I hope you get the justice that Pheobe, and the rest of the girls who are wrongly bullied deserve.
To those of you who think that they shouldn't be punished, you might want to do some research on bullying. It needs to be stopped and punished before it takes more innocent lives.
Posted 04/09/2010 at 11:41:21 PMI wouldn't be quick to accuse the parents. I know good parents that have horrible nasty kids. I do think the cellphones and social networking sites don't help things much, but it's a bigger problem. Society is changing - not for the better.
Posted 04/10/2010 at 08:36:46 AMwhat happened to pheobe was just devistating it breaks my heart. I knew someone who killed themself, and i think thats why this story hit me so hard. Suicide is very sad and some of the causes of suicide are from bullying, which is why someone needs to stop it. I am an outcast in my school i can sorta relate to pheobe, but never has anyone in my school been as rude and nasty to me as these mean girls were to pheobe.
Posted 04/10/2010 at 07:07:18 PMOkay "adults", you need to listen. I myself am a freshman in high school. I walk the halls of modern high school everyday. You all think you're helping by making campaigns against cyber bullying and what not, but in reality nothing changes. Since middle school teachers and adults have been telling us how serious it is and giving us lectures. Must of us walk out laughing. Kids don't even think twice about it. I've been bullied in person, over the internet, everywhere. It hurts more than any adult could ever imagine. I hate how adults think they know what it's like. None of you do. If you could switch places with us for one day maybe you'd finally understand. Some kids don't care about anyone else and never will. It's something that won't change. You adults think you can change high schools into big happy places full of smiles and rainbows. Half of us have probably thought seriously about killing ourselves and didn't tell anyone. I think Phoebe Prince was trying to make you understand that. My heart goes out to her and her family. Rest in peace.
Posted 04/10/2010 at 08:02:39 PMWhen another columbine or V-tech shooting happens, thank these shit heads. You would think people would learn from other people's mistakes. Poor girl, she went and acted on her anger, instead it was toward herself. R.I.P
Posted 04/10/2010 at 09:31:22 PMThis is something that should stop its like my school they do nothing i was in 7th grade now 9th grade 4 girls put up signs saying i was a theif an they were going to hurt me and knew were i lived an the school gave them iss 5 days an also 5 days oss an to this day they are still bullies and there should be something done about all of this...this is what the 3rd or 4th time a child has killed themselves..lookk at olivia garnder she is still alive it wasnt for those girls...that helped her...people need to get there heads outta the gutter an help the children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 04/10/2010 at 11:55:46 PMmy heart and prayers go to her family. I hope those losers get what they deserve. I hope those bitches get thrown in an adult prison with an inmate whos name is big bertha and she kicks their asses. And for those guys who tortured that poor girl I hope they throw them in a prison cell with a big guy named big bubba and they get their asses jammed up with bubbas penis
Posted 04/11/2010 at 12:11:18 AMdo you understand the fact that the people who are wishing bad upon the mean girls are being bullies themselves. its called cyber bullying. just because you guys arent saying any of this to their faces doesnt mean that you arent bullying them. 2 rights dont make a wrong.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 01:48:26 PMI've been on both the giving and receiving end of bullying, so you don't have to ask me "What if this was you." It was me, so I figured I'd clear that up before getting into this issue yet again. If you can't handle a bit of bullying in high school, then you may as well commit suicide now because you will find it all through life.
As for how I feel, where do I begin...
It's obvious that Phoebe Prince didn't have a support system, people who actually cared enough about her to stop what was going on in her school. I can't believe that her own family would send her back to class after all that she had gone through already. This bullying went on for months, so can you honestly tell me what parent in their right mind would want their kid to continue going to a school that did nothing about their child being harassed and threatened on a daily basis? They should have pulled her out immediately and sued the school for failing to provide a safe learning environment. If it was my child, that shit would have been nipped in the bud the very first day.
Fact: there are about 125,000 schools in the United States, and yet Phoebe's family sent her back to the school that sent her home crying.
Fact: There is an option of home schooling, which CAN be very beneficial to the child. They chose not to.
Fact: There are over one million lawyers in the United States, and all of them can pretty much tell you what your rights are as a student who is being harassed and threatened in school. Did her family contact a single one? I doubt it.
They failed to help her through this difficult time, so yes, I DO blame them.
The school is very much to blame as well because let's face it, without consequence, these teens will continue to do whatever it is that they're doing. It was the school's place to properly discipline these kids, and yet they did nothing. I bet none of them were expelled for their actions, nor stepped foot inside the principal's office for a lecture, and I'm sure it's safe to say that they didn't even contact their parents to let them know that their kids were bullying someone relentlessly. The school had choices, and they chose to allow this crap to continue. Expulsion, phone calls to parents, reporting this harassment to the police-now there's an idea. The school didn't do a damn thing, so I guess the behaviors those kids displayed were appropriate and acceptable. Shame on you, you ARE to blame.
The bullies themselves are foolish and immature beings that should have had the decency to leave this poor girl alone. To think that someone could cause so much pain to another is saddening. They knew what they were doing was wrong and they didn't stop. Though their behaviors were unacceptable, they cannot be held responsible for Phoebe's suicide, only what led up to it: assault, battery, stalking, sexual assault and more. Put their asses in juvenile detention, and if old enough, give them prison time. I'm sure they will learn much about bullying then.
Being in a foreign country cannot be used as an excuse, one should always know what their rights are as a human being. Phoebe Prince was receiving unsettling emails, so she obviously had access to the internet. Her and her family should have been smart enough to use the world wide web to research what their options were instead of checking their damn inbox. The internet is a great thing, one can learn so much with the move of a mouse and a few clicks of a button. Suicide was NOT this girl's only choice. There are many out there that have gone through horror stories that far surpass that of a bit of bullying. Children that are molested and raped or being sold as sex slaves. People witnessing their own family and friends die at the hands of another. How about the ones being tortured, maimed, burned, stabbed, and things far much worse? I don't see all of them committing suicide, in fact, I see all of them on television shows, writing books, creating organizations, doing anything that they can do in hopes that it will help another.
On a final note: bullying happens in every school, it's usually no big deal, but there are times when teens take it too far. If you're being bullied in school and you haven't the guts to go tell the school administrators or your own parents, then that's your problem. It all comes down to choices and what one chooses to do. Unless they make bullying against the law, it WILL continue, so you better have a strong fist to defend yourself or a loud enough voice to speak up with.
Yes, it's all about choices, and it's my belief that EVERYONE made a bad choice in this case.
Everyone is to blame here, everyone including Phoebe herself.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 04:29:26 PMBy the way, I fully agree with Jerry Jinks.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 04:31:10 PMHey! This is for everyone out there who says "getting bullied is no big deal", "everyone gets bullied", or "she is stupid for killing herself just because she got picked on". You are all idiots for saying this!!! Yes everyone may get bullied in their life at some point but just because it goes on doesn't make it okay! And you can't say all that crap until you have been put in her place. When you haven't gone through what she has gone through you don't know exactly how she felt, maybe she was a timid girl who was pushed over easily, or just maybe she was a strong girl who had been pushed to the max. Everyone has a different way of dealing with things so if you were that girl and you knew every detail of everything that she went through then you could decide to do what you wanted, but it appears that she didn't know how to deal with things as good as you all do. So my advice to you all would be to shut the hell up!
Posted 04/11/2010 at 04:35:36 PMAnother thing I forgot to mention: I do not think that her parents are a big part of the blame. A lot of people do want to place a big chunk of the blame on them because they didn't place her in a different school or whatnot. Since I am 18 years old and I have a little more recent high school experience than some of these other people I would like to share a few of my opinions on the matter! Okay, first off I don't think that her parents knew everything that was going on. These days kids don't want to tell their parents things like that, they usually want to deal with these types of problems on their own. Lots of kids don't want their parents in the middle of their drama because how embarrassing is it if you get your mom or your dad to fight all of your fights for you? And if I ever had anything like this going on, my mom would always tell me "Nikki, this is your little girl drama and you're going to have to figure it out on your own". Parents don't know how much worse it is these days, they think things are still the way they were when they were growing up. For most kids it is embarrassing if their parents or even they themselves talk to the teacher, principal, or counselor about this kind of thing because the bully(ies) get called to the office and find out that the victim snitched on them. After this has taken place, it will actually be worse for the victim because the bully(ies) will spread word of the victim being a snitch and everyone will have something new to pick on them about. It really sucks but a lot of this goes on at my school and I see how it works from the inside. Maybe this can give a few people a better understanding of why the parent's may not have done anything about the problem! Then again, maybe the parents did try hard but the school never did anything about it or tried to get any peer mediation going on! But even if the school did try to do something, a lot of this went on outside of school as well, with the text messages and e-mails. Anyway, what's done is done. I wish peace and love to the family and friends of this bright young lady. God Bless them!
Posted 04/11/2010 at 04:57:53 PMIf this girl didn't go to her parents with the issues she was facing, then it is her own fault for trying to deal with the situation by herself. Children, no matter how young or old they are, should always feel comfortable enough to turn to their parents for help. Obviously she felt she couldn't do this, which tells me that she had some crappy parents. This girl needed a support system, but she seriously lacked one.
On school grounds or off, everyone in this case had a choice. As a parent, or even the victim, you could have filtered your emails. As a parent, or even the victim, you could have changed your phone number.
Let me pity the girl who took the easy route by killing herself. Boo hoo.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 05:37:44 PMWell that's great that some of you blame Phoebe. There are rules and Laws that protect a person from being bullied. The bullies that bullied the life right out of Phoebe, will pay the price of being scavengers that picked the emotional Will to live right out of Phoebe. Blame Phoebe, what should she have done, fight back and over power two 18 year old males and 6 fat ass females? If any of you that are blaming Phoebe for having any part in this brutality of her being bulled to death, you are ridiculous. Maybe you have kids, sisters or a family members that someday will go through the same pain Phoebe went through. Lets see how you feel then.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 05:46:47 PMMy kids will never go through what this girl went through because unlike her parents, I will fend for my child, and unlike her, my kids will feel comfortable enough to turn to me if/when they need help. My child would never even consider suicide because that's a coward's way out. Like I said, I've seen people go through worse things than bullying. With the many resources our country has to offer, she should have been smart enough to choose something other than suicide.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 05:59:28 PMOver one million people commit suicide every year, making it the tenth-leading cause of death worldwide, yet for some reason, this girl's suicide stands out above the rest of them. This case is a big deal because the girl came from another country. If it was one of our own, you wouldn't be seeing this on the news.
Why don't we blame everyone else for her suicide, after all, everyone is viewing this as a murder anyway.
The definition of suicide: The act of causing ones own death.
Let me repeat that-The act of causing ones own death.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 06:15:35 PMFACT: An estimated 1.2 million public high school students drop out every year.
FACT: Over 700,00 people take the GED test each year and over 50% pass.
Peter Jennings-ABC News anchor, Walter Anderson-editor of Parade, Dave Thomas-founder of Wendy’s Restaurant, Ruth Ann Minner-governor of Delaware, Oscar De la Hoya-professional boxer,
Bill Cosby, Christian Slater, and even Chris Rock are just a few to name of the many who have their GED.
I'd rather see someone drop out of school, get their GED, and STILL go to college, but I guess suicide was her ONLY option?!
Way to go Phoebe, by all means, I guess you did what was BEST for you!!
And hey, thanks for the nice example you've set for the many kids around the world who have to deal with the same issues you've had to face. I'm sure they'll be happy to follow in your footsteps!!
Posted 04/11/2010 at 07:30:54 PMThat's fine about your kids, but you never know who will be bullied next. Phoebe's parents went to the school twice. The school looked on as Phoebe was being brutalized by 9 people. This is an Outrage that you would even suggest that Phoebe did this to herself.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 07:39:01 PMAll of us know what Suicide means, your definition is ridiculous in blaming Phoebe for her own death. Almost as ridiculous as saying it will never happen to your kids? This crap happens to children no matter what their parents try and stop. Do you know why this case is a big deal? Because this Country has had enough of innocent people being victimized. Your explanation of Phoebe being from another country is again ridiculous. This case is about being bullying, rape and discrimination.
So what you're saying in essence is that if someone is being bullied by spouse, partner School as an example of bullying beat down, like in Phoebe's situation in school and these people receive bodily injury it's their fault?
It's a sad day when people care so much about how others think that they run away from everything via suicide. This coming from somebody who put the gun down.
It makes her just as pathetic as the ones who drove her to it, sorry to say. If you really want to prove you aren't weak, killing yourself isn't where it's at.
@Deborah Jean: I agree 100%. Now let's watch as the fools romanticize her 'escape'.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 07:39:45 PMAs to your conclusions in regards to Phoebe, Most of the American Public doesn't see it your way. The tone of your comments are Sad and Ugly. God Bless Phoebe! The justice system will hopefully see justice for Phoebe.
Posted 04/11/2010 at 07:54:42 PM100% disagree with You. Give it time and more people will express their feelings for the Love of this Child. You two are little tiny fish in a great Big Ocean.
I didn't say her being assaulted was her fault, but her sitting there and taking it day after day is. I lived with a man who beat me for 8 years. It was my choice to stay, so yes, it was my fault he continued to beat me.
As far as her getting raped-statutory rape is very much different than forcible rape. I bet she opened her legs willingly, but the fact that she's dead now gives her parents reason to have the boys charged for it.
If my child was being victimized in school, if my child was actually "raped" by a boy in school, then my child certainly wouldn't be going back there. What kind of parents would force their own daughter to face her "supposed rapist" everyday?
Discrimination? Why, because they called her an Irish whore? That, to me, is ridiculous.
I've been victimized far worse than this girl, but you see I'm still here.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 12:24:20 AMDeborah Jean,
You are entitled to your opinion; However there are people out here that disagree with you completely. 1)The DA's Office, 2)the constitution of the United States of America and 3) 95% of the Population. You are an Adult, you have free well, you stayed with your Bully for 8 years because you wanted to and preferred that life style. Phoebe didn't get a choice, she's a minor and had to attend School. Your ridiculous comparison to statutory rape, is silly. Phoebe was a child, the MEN that raped her were adults, Phoebe was a juvenile and could not give consent to have sex. That is against the Law!
Guess what Deborah Jean this story isn't about YOU and what YOU would do. Were you there? Do you know what Phoebe's parents did to stop the Bullying? NO! Calling someone an Irish Whore is Discrimination. Wow you have been called a lot worse than this Girl? You chose to stay in your own misery, Phoebe didn't!!!!!!!
Are you a friend or a mother of the 9 twisted pieces of S@%! ?...........
Posted 04/12/2010 at 01:52:15 AMSandy,
Bravo! You said what I was thinking.
Deborah Jean,
Do you really believe all that BS you just spouted out or do you just like to hear yourself talk?
Sandy is right, you made your choice to stay in a relationship for 8 years getting beat. Pheobe was a minor and if she quit going to school, guess what! A truancy office would have shown up at her door, (You remember those, don't you?)
Another thing, have you ever been raped? Do you know what if feels like to be ashamed of yourself? And what it feels like when you come from and Irish (possibly even Catholic) family?
And yes calling her an Irish whore is discrimination. Anyway you want to f*cking slice it.
Deborah, get over yourself. Like Sandy said, this is not about you.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 11:14:08 AMI'm happy to hear you broke from your 8-year abuse, Deborah Jean. But if it took a grown woman 8 years to break from something like that, imagine how difficult it is for a 15-year-old who's new to the country. Girls that age are so emotional and vulnerable. It just seems a little more empathy is in order.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 11:14:13 AMHuman rights are pretty much the same in any country, how a person should be treated and not be treated, especially when it comes to rape. I think it's safe to say that rape is against the law in most countries-including hers. With that said, a fifteen-year-old should have known that she had other choices besides suicide. There is a big difference between an eight-year-old and a fifteen-year-old's mind. When you talk to an eight-year-old about problem solving, they'll think you're speaking about math, so there is a BIG difference.
As far as what I've been through, her getting supposedly raped by boys that were what...only two years older than her? They were 17 years old, big damn deal. It doesn't even compare to the rape(s) I've dealt with, so yeah, let's not even go there.
And yes, I would rather a truancy officer come to my door than a damn coroner!!!!
It doesn't matter if I was there or not, I know what the hell I would do in that situation. I'm not ignorant to the world around me, and I surely wouldn't say that being from another country would make me ignorant in this situation. Who cares if she was in a foreign country, so I guess she's not just an Irish whore, she's an Irish retard too?
Being in an eight year abusive relationship, yeah I kept myself there, so like I said, I deserved every beating. Her staying where she was...she deserved it too!!!
It's all about choices, and she CHOSE to CONTINUE being a fucking victim!!!
Posted 04/12/2010 at 05:03:23 PMPete, Nice to have you back, hope your vacation for you and your family was good.
Deborah Jean, How are you related to the animals that bullied Phoebe to death? If you're not related you are a sick individual. Deborah Jean, no one cares if you were abused! If you are that stupid to be in a relationship for 8 years getting the crap kicked out of you as an ADULT you must have enjoyed it. What does it say about you as a mother? You talk about what you would do for your kids, yet you kept them in your abusive misery? I don't know where you got 17 years old for the rapist, but from what I have read they are 18 years old. Regardless the LAW says that Phoebe is a child and children can't gave consent to having sex.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 05:57:20 PMIf your kid had not bullied Phoebe you would not be in the situation you and your kid are in.
No one cares about you Deborah Jean, but the rest of us love and pray for Phoebe and her family!
What do you mean by F@$$&** victim? So guess what that makes YOU.... You can fill in the blanks. You're the only one on here crying about YOUR PERSONAL ABUSE. The story is about PHOEBE, not YOU..
First, I'll start off by saying that MY child wasn't with me when I was in that abusive relationship, so you can question my parenting skills all you like. As far as me being in that relationship, Phoebe wasn't a child, she was a teen, and smart enough to get out when she had the chance. I could care less what all of you think of me, your internet insults aren't going to lead me to kill myself like poor little Irish whore did. Boo hoo, let me cry now so that the world can see what a weak soul I have, and let me hang myself so that my own little sister can find me, dead...because I shouldn't have been born anyway.
You know, a lot of people here want to think that I'm making this about me, that I seem to like listening to myself talk. In all honesty, this will be my LAST comment. It's not because I find myself without things to say, but because I've completed my objective and now have something that I feel NEEDS to be said.
I sat here and read, and saw nothing but ignorance. My comments were not meant to ridicule, nor upset anyone in any way. My purpose in all of this, was to challenge all of you to keep an open mind, to see things from both sides, so that you didn't form an opinion based on what you've read so far from the media.
This world is still VERY ignorant, for many reasons, and I feel that this ignorance should be pointed out and seen for what it is.
Everyone deserves a fair trial, a chance to prove their innocence, but people are no longer innocent until proven guilty, at least not in this case because so far, everyone has become the judge, jury, and executioner.
To know that many of you wish these bullies dead is beyond my comprehension. Only a monster would wish death on another. God knows what he's doing, who should remain on this earth and who shouldln't, so we all need to leave those decisions up to HIM.
I also do not believe these bullies deserve to feel the same pain. Coming from both sides of bullying, I have to say that people can change when given the right tools, I know because I HAVE. There are ways to rehabilitate these young teens, ways that will turn them into successful human beings, but everyone here wants to throw the book at them because a young girl died. Would she want that for them? Is Phoebe that much of an animal that she'd want people to suffer what she went through, even though these are the people that caused her pain? I'd rather think of her as a loving, caring, and much forgiving person. One who would rather see these teens change for the better, than ruin their lives because of mistakes that they've made. Many teenagers make mistakes, that doesn't mean they can't learn from them.
When it comes to their guilt or innocence and what you've read so far from the media, I have never in my life read such crap coming from people who claim to be human beings. NONE of you know every single fact about this case, nor heard any other side of the story other than Phoebe's. Assumptions, insinuations, premature judgements. That is all I am hearing from you.
So unless you're on that jury panel and you get to hear everything, then you have no room to speak about who should pay and who shouldn't. Right now, the media is feeding you nothing more than a biased opinion. When all the truths about this case have come out, then you can express to me how much you hate these bullies. Until then, you shouldn't be judging anyone.
Furthermore, your blatant ingorance towards me is immature and childish. YOU are the reason why there is still so much hate in this world. So what if my opinions conflict with yours, that doesn't make you a better person than I. I'm not going to be a follower and listen to everything that people have to say about this case. Articles naming these bullies as "shitty litte girls." Yeah, that's really mature. The media could tell you that the world will end tomorrow and you'd believe it because you can't seem to think for yourself. You can't seem to understand that there is always three sides to a story-her side, their side, and the TRUTH.
After having said all of this, I will tell you that I DO feel sorry for this young girl. I feel sorry for the fact that she felt she had no one to turn to. I feel sorry for the fact that these teens made her feel the way that she felt. I feel sorry for the fact that she is dead and her family is left to suffer in her absence. However, I DO NOT condone her actions. What I find sad, is that in the end, people WILL look at her as a hero. Well, I'll be damned if my child will look up to her and think of suicide as being such a "great escape."
All of you, judgmental and ignorant, are just simple reminders that Adoloph Hitler still exists to this day because he's living inside of each and every one of you. The world should be ashamed to have you in it because until you get rid of all that hatred and hostility, we will NEVER be able to get along.
All of you are sheep, followers of ignorance, and your boxed up mind is what keeps the hatred flowing, so keep up the good work, you're doing a great job!!!
Posted 04/12/2010 at 06:30:11 PMare those girls thick or something? they call her a slut for dating him when their entire lives revolve around "popular" sex? i'd say the best punishent for these girls would be to send them to phoebe's old school in ireland...see how long they last...jealous, insecure little bitches, it's only coz they're scared...
Posted 04/12/2010 at 06:34:29 PMIt's too bad these animals killed Phoebe before I got a chance to defile her sweet little Irish pussy.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 07:04:51 PMpoor phoebe when i read the article that broke my heart
Posted 04/12/2010 at 07:15:39 PMR.I.P phoebe Prince
but all i have to say is that i hope those bitches that bulled phoebe die and rot in hell
RIP Pheobe
Posted 04/12/2010 at 07:28:58 PMDeborah Jean, you didn't answer the question, how are you related to the Bullies? You are a Sad an angry person;You should look at yourself further to see where all that Hatred comes from. You're Blaming Phoebe for her bullies killing her, why are you so ugly about this Child?
Deborah Jean read your own comment!!!!"Furthermore, your blatant ignorance towards me is immature and childish. YOU are the reason why there is still so much hate in this world."
Deborah Jean, you do realize that the person here that is Spouting out Hate and Ignorance is coming from JUST you?
Posted 04/12/2010 at 07:34:07 PMYou either like to fight with people or you're just to mentally ill to know the difference between Right and Wrong
I am not related to the bullies, I've never even heard of them until this case broke open.
Those bullies didn't kill her, she killed herself, I do believe that's why they ruled her death a suicide.
I'm not ugly about this child, just ugly at the path this case is taking.
I am NOT spouting hate, I'm merely stating opinions, know the difference you uneducated fool.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 07:41:02 PMBefore you start pointing fingers and blaming me for being ignorant, I didn't call you an uneducated fool because of my hatred towards you, it was actually your inability to form a complete sentence, your improper use of punctuation, and your massive spelling errors that gave me the impression that you are. By the way, that caps lock seems to not do you any good either.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 07:46:36 PMDeborah Jean, You are reaching for anything you can spelling errors, punctuation, how stupid is that? You are not making an opinionated statement, you're just spouting out Hate for this little girl. Deborah Jean, the 9 animals that bullied Phoebe are not innocent of their crimes. You do understand that, Right? The bullies pushed Phoebe over the edge, they are responsible for her death! Why don't you talk to someone about how angry you are and for what ever reason you are blaming the victim and not the criminals in this case? It looks like you have some deep seeded anger issues.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 08:13:20 PMOh please, do tell me where I am spouting out hate towards this girl because I would love to know. They are not responsible for her death, they are responsible for everything that LED UP TO her death. I am not angry, I am actually amused at the fact that you've misinterpreted everything that I've said, and then formed your own opinions about me being angry. Besides, I must be angry, is that what you're saying? That's you, the judge, seeing someone for what they're actually not.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 08:26:39 PMBy the way Sandy, I can sit here and name to you at least five, maybe even ten hateful remarks that you've made against other people, and all they did was post their own personal opinion about the matter. Sounds like you've got quite a bit of ignorance, maybe even a spark of hatred yourself?
Posted 04/12/2010 at 08:33:44 PMMight I add, the reason why I am so fascinated by this case to begin with, is the lack of care that this girl actually committed suicide. I get to read articles about how we should stop bullying, the effects bullying has on others, and things of the sort. Where are the articles that discuss the suicide issue? Along with bullying seminars, there should be suicide prevention seminars, and I have yet to hear about a single one. That, to me, is pretty damn ignorant. Let's forget that she killed herself and work on how to stop bullying in school. The girl killed herself, and until we get programs set into place that will stop these kids from feeling the need to end their own life, then they will continue to die before our very own eyes over some other issue they found impossible to deal with. This girl felt alone, afraid, and had nowhere to turn. Can you tell me why, and what we can do to help another from feeling the same?
Posted 04/12/2010 at 08:50:30 PMI find it kind of amusing that for Deborah Jean, it seems, this has become a forum for her to bully others, as well. How old are you? Like 45? Well, you're acting like a seventh-grade girl. Mocking Phoebe and saying things like 'Boo Hoo" and "Irish Retard", make YOU a bully. Grow up, you're too old to be acting like a one of the perpetrators in this case.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 09:11:24 PMYes, you are so very assuming like the rest of them in here. I did not call her an Irish whore nor an Irish retard. In case you haven't noticed, there is a question mark at the end of that sentence, which makes it a question, not a statement. You should go back to school, it would do you some good. I am not bullying others either, stating my opinion isn't bullying, it's stating opinion. As far as having boo hoo and the like, rephrasing their opinions and getting into the minds of those bullies was my intention, something you obviously missed while reading. Maybe you should go back to school and learn how to interpret what you read while you're at it.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 09:18:38 PMReally? Now you're BULLYING people you don't even know. You should probably just start watching soap operas or try to get onto the Maury Povich show. Clearly, you don't have quite enough drama in your own life.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 09:22:41 PMAh yes, coming from someone who obviously knows me, so you can make all of the assumptions you want. Obsessed much about what I have to say? It's a shame you don't have anything better to do. I am not bullying people, I have yet to make a single bullying remark. If you like, you can point it out to me and I'll be glad to own up to it, but you won't find one because there are none. Drama? Ah yes, something you're trying to create right now. You are so blind to your own actions, and yet you like to point out mine. How very ignorant and childish of you:)
Posted 04/12/2010 at 09:31:02 PMBully-noun. A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. To treat in an overbearing or intimidating manner. To force one's way aggressively or by intimidation. A person who hurts, persecutes, or intimidates weaker people.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 09:35:41 PMI have yet to hurt or intimidate anyone, it's not in my nature to.
All this over a useless boy! It sad where their self respect. Phoebe is the attractive one the girls who bullied her were butt ugly. Stupid jealous bitches. Now they are going to be hated by the world. I hope they know that it isnt going to be fun getting arrested. I bet they arent going to like this on top of not having a boyfriend. Was a jerky boy so important that they have to fuck up their lives and future over? They got all that was coming to them.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 09:49:52 PMQuincy, Rocki maybe right! This Ugly Hateful attitude sounds a little like someone that all of us wish would go away. Pete could this be MCR?
"Yes, you are so very assuming like the rest of them in here.” You should practice what you Preach. Your spelling errors and content of a sentence is actually Funny. Lol. We are not IN here!
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:01:00 PMYou see Deborah Jean, you are not sharing your opinion, you are Spouting Hate for an Innocent little Girl. Maybe when you were abused for 8 years your abuser kicked the common sense right out of you.
In regards to the comment above mine, as sad as it is for me to say this, fighting over a boy doesn't even stop after high school, adults do it every day. People are worth more than they realize, they just fail to see themselves in a positive light. Emotions are very strong during high school, some are altogether confusing. Unfortunately, these emotions can sometimes get the better of us, and we use our hearts instead of our heads.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:01:40 PMTrying to tear apart my sentence structure I see. Too bad you're doing a pitiful job at it. I have no idea who the heck MCR is, but you should know that I only speak for myself. Spouting hate for an innocent girl? I have yet to see where I've expressed any hatred, and as far as I'm concerned, have yet to see this girl as innocent. Do you know all of the facts surrounding this case? Do you know this girl personally? My abuser didn't kick the common sense out of me, I still have it, your only problem is that you fail to agree with my opinions. As harsh as I may sound, opinions are what they are. You don't agree with me, but I refuse to care. As long as I still have an opinion, I have every right of expressing it any way I see fit.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:11:22 PMDeborah Jean,
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:16:24 PM"Unfortunately, these emotions can sometimes get the better of us, and we use our hearts instead of our heads."
Again Deborah Jean, Emotions did not get the better of the bullies, their abuse however got the better of Phoebe. You're Wrong! The bullies were not confused with what they were doing to Phoebe they loved abusing her and when asked, “ the 9 animals said they do it again.” That was on their Facebook. You are Right about one thing the 9 animals did put their hearts into killing Phoebe.
"God Bless you Little Phoebe all of us LOVE YOU
Correction, they did use their hearts instead of their heads, those hearts just happened to be filled with hatred. Their hatred got the better of them, and sometimes when people are angry, they don't vent it in the right direction. If they were upset over this boy, they should have had the guts to go to him and express how they felt. Instead, they turned on this girl as if she were to blame.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:23:21 PMDeborah Jean, you have a short memory " FUCKING VICTIM!!!!!!!!!" Deborah Jean you and all of the rest of us have the right to our own Opinions. You don't see that we all have different opinions, you only see bitterness. I really do hope Deborah Jean that someday soon your additude towards victims changes for the better.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:29:25 PMHatred only breeds contempt for yourself Deborah Jean.
Mcr, I should not have mentioned your name. I appoligize.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:31:44 PMWould it have sounded better had I kept the fucking word out of it? She was a victim, but she didn't have to be. I do blame her for allowing it to continue because like everyone else in this world, she had the power and the right to leave that abusive environment. That is an opinion, not a statement of hatred. Again, I have yet to see a bullying or hateful remark, so I'll continue to express my opinions.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:35:13 PMSandy said:
Irish Girl Seeing Red, Iguessso39 is sitting around in his bedroom with his friends smoking cigs and pot talking about how no good everyone is.
So I guess that having an opinion automatically makes someone a pot smoker.
Sandy said:
A.B. can imagine if Phoebe had defended herself against this gang of punks what they would have done to her? Phoebe first of all was tiny, those girls that bullied her are big and a couple are fat, she wouldn't have stood a chance.
Your usage of the words "punks" and "fat" are pretty hateful.
Sandy said:
Jerry Jinks, how about this, with some luck you will drop dead. No one on here wants to explain to you the charges that these 9 bastards are being charged with. Read the Article!!! Who gives a shit what you think? These 9 bastards are being charged with not ONE CRIME A PIECE, but SEVERIAL CRIMES.
I guess a person should die because their opinion doesn't agree with yours. How very nice.
And let's not forget about your usage of the word "bastards" either because that's a pretty hateful word.
Sandy said:
Well that's great that some of you blame Phoebe. There are rules and Laws that protect a person from being bullied. The bullies that bullied the life right out of Phoebe, will pay the price of being scavengers that picked the emotional Will to live right out of Phoebe. Blame Phoebe, what should she have done, fight back and over power two 18 year old males and 6 fat ass females? If any of you that are blaming Phoebe for having any part in this brutality of her being bulled to death, you are ridiculous. Maybe you have kids, sisters or a family members that someday will go through the same pain Phoebe went through. Lets see how you feel then.
Again, your usage of the term "fat ass" is pretty damn hateful.
Shall I go on?
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:41:44 PMI feel no need to debate this issue any further, it's getting rather boring. My opinions are out there, and I'm thankful to all of you for sharing yours with me. Have a good night, and stay safe.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:53:04 PMDeborah Jean,
You are a sad and very unhappy women. It will not change the fact that you are hateful towards Phoebe. And that your attitude towards this little girl is ugly and Hateful. We are not talking about what I said about 9 animals, 2 raped Phoebe and all 9 of them physically and verbally abused Phoebe. We are talking about you, your Hatred towards this poor little girl that was victimized. Again, Deborah Jean there has to be some deep seeded reason that YOU, a grown women and mother hates this Victim?
What you put out in the world is what you will get back. Could that be the reason that you lived an abusive life for 8 years? Don't take it out on other VICTIMS.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:58:42 PMDeborah Jean, God Bless You and hope you find peace.
Posted 04/12/2010 at 11:04:22 PMSandy, I honestly don't hate this girl. Sometimes the way I express myself comes off a bit that way, but it's not intentional. I have no room for hatred in my life, that's not who I am. However, thank you for that last comment, you're a kind woman. :)
Posted 04/12/2010 at 11:17:10 PMDeborah Jean, I meant it. I think you were saying that Phoebe killed herself and could have over come the bullying. As a parent I would have done the same thing you said you were going to do. I just don't know what makes people tick. If I were Phoebe's parents I would have had the Police at the School pressing Charges and then gotten an attorney and sued the School. I don't wish death on a the bullies, I would be afraid that it would come back right in my face. I do hope that the School is held responsible for allowing this crap to go on and the School Facility knew what was happening to Phoebe. Hopefully the 9 abusers are punish for what they did to Phoebe. It was on MSNBC that a vigilante is harassing the 9 bullies and it is pretty bad the things he/she is doing to them. Anyway I did enjoy debating with you and You're right we all have our Opinions.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 12:02:26 AMGood-Night
Sandy, I think you have some very well expressed opinions, and I fully believe that your heart is much bigger than I had anticipated.
I also wanted to say, that I am a member of a poetry site, and although it's just a simple site where us poets gather to share our gift of writing, I've posted a writing contest in honor of this poor girl. I'm hoping for many good entries, poems of dedication and remembrance, and I'm sure to write up one of my own.
If you want to read the entries as they come in, let me know and I will link you.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 12:22:10 AMThese so-called bullies did beyond bullying. They are thugs. On the topic, who was the ringleader of it all? I know it was two groups of thugs that did it.
Looks like the South Hadley 6 are the most hated people in America and worldwide. They are challenging Casey Anthony and Lori Drew. These thugs share it along side with Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, and Joseph Stalin. And no, I am not trivializing what these evil figures did (9/11, Holocaust, and Purge). Their mentality is not all that different from them. The South Hadley Thugs are the epitomy of evil right along with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Stalin!
Posted 04/13/2010 at 12:56:15 AMJust for the record, I remember 9/11 very well. It was like yesterday for me. Such a tragic period. I have read and seen the Holocaust and Purge. Too many people got killed and too gruesome.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 01:02:38 AMDeborah Jean, that's beautiful.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 01:05:27 AMI have always cared about children and would do anything to help a child. I feel very strong about protecting children from violence. Children committing these crimes against one another has got to stop. Here where I live I am a volunteer for exploited and abused children. I shouldn't work with these children, I want to take them all home with me. I did just that, two little boys 1 and 3 years old. These two little boys needed a place to sleep after they were rescued from a drug house with their drug addict mother(she was 7 months pregnant) The 3 year old had been sexually abused and there was evidence the 1 year old was as well. Since we are all finger printed were I volunteered, I decided to take them for the night. That was 2 1/2 years ago.
Deborah Jean, I would love to read your entry and the other writers as well. Thank You, I'm glad you posted here on TCR.
USS Yorktown, I guess I never looked at it like that, but you could be right. I'm glad you said it about these Thugs, if I had said it Michelle and the firing squad would have tracked me down and shot me.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 01:13:35 AMSandy, I wish we had programs here that allowed me to work with abused children. I feel powerless sometimes because there's so much that I can be doing for them, but there are no places here that allow volunteers of my kind. So, I find myself limited to the internet, which only reaches a small number of kids that I can speak to. I like to talk to teenagers who were victims of abuse. A lot of them have turned to self mutilation, drugs, violence, and promiscuity to deal with their pain. It is my hope that I can help them find other ways to cope. AllPoetry.com is where I spend the majority of my time talking to these teens, though I do frequent other sites as well. I haven't started my poem yet, but I will once I am finished with this other one I'm working on.
You are a true hero Sandy, and I hope you continue with your volunteer work.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 10:51:16 AMDeborah Jean, Not sure if your County has a program as a volunteer in your local Probation Dept? I worked with Youth Offenders when I was in my twenties. Most County Probation Dept.'s have volunteer Programs. They will do a back round check and finger prints, when the paper work is completed the Probation Supervisor has classes to prepare you to work with these kids. Deborah Jean, Your story and how you survived, along with your writing ability and your Poetry would be a great outlet for Kids. You should look into it, you would be wonderful at it. It is not always easy, these kids have seen things that most people don't even know exists.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 05:45:43 PMSandy, why would they get upset about what I said about these thugs? Is it because I am lumping them with some of the most evil figures in history like Stalin, Hitler, and Bin Laden.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 08:59:17 PMUSS Yorktown, I said in my response to you that, if I had said "that the 9 monsters were punks?" Coming from you your opinion is fine. It's Always the same few viewer's, complaining if someone(me) disagrees with them and will not back down do them. I won't back down in regards to my opinions,and usually they resort to intelligent responses like go EAT A DICK, Fuck MY HORSE and one lovely young women wanted me to go back to Whore Island.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 10:11:28 PMThank you Sandy, I'll definitely look into it because I've been wanting to volunteer for a long time.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 10:56:30 PMDeborah Jean, Don't do what I did and fall in love with all the kids. My house is to small. Lol I do hope you check it out, I know you would be great with children," You have Heart." People like you and I are strong when we believe in something we are Pit Ball Dogs. In a good way.
Posted 04/13/2010 at 11:33:51 PMSandy, that's really strange. If you said the same thing I said, you get ripped for it?
Posted 04/14/2010 at 12:25:37 AMUSS Yorktown, Let me put it to you this way. If I oppose to one of the few viewers opinions and that person decides they don't like what I have to say, they(regulars) start a war with me. A few have done it to others on here as well. It's no big deal, I needed to vent. Thank You for responding back! This is the price you pay when you blog on a public Website.
Posted 04/14/2010 at 02:40:56 AMThank you Sandy, this is actually the first time I've left comments on this site, and to be honest, I find myself addicted. I've already posted some comments on other articles here too.
Posted 04/14/2010 at 10:31:00 AM@Deborah Jean
Posted 04/14/2010 at 10:48:47 AMyou may need a 12-step. Good luck. :)
Posted 04/14/2010 at 11:57:45 AMTo whom it may concern:
In light of the upcoming review of Samantha Hibbards court case involving assault of my daughter, I would like to bring a few things to everyone’s attention that are of great concern to myself as a parent. My daughter has been systematically harassed, bullied, threatened and eventually assaulted since October 2008 by two teenage girls. She has attempted to be mature and let it go, ignore it and resolve the situation and just move on with her teenage life with no effect. These girls would not let it go but instead continued the abuse until it escalated into physical harm and property destruction. My daughter was attacked on October 31, 2009 with no chance to defend herself resulting in a significant injury and permanent scarring both physically and emotionally. She has suffered name-calling, destruction of character, social isolation from peers, vandalism to her house, physical abuse and property damage to her car. I never thought things would escalate to this point and I feel I am as much to blame by not ever imagining things could go this far. All of this resulting from dating a boy that another girl also liked. We have tried many avenues to find justice for what has happened with no result. The school claims no responsibility because the assault happened outside of school and made my daughter feel at fault because she did not bring things to their attention sooner. If she had at that time she only feared things would be much worse for her at the hands of these girls. The court failed her by not pursuing the case with great concern. We were told the prosecutor would speak with us prior to the case and never did. The charges were dropped in regards to Sarah Hursell because of lack of evidence but with out the courts assistance we could not provide them with the information needed. There were text messages, my space and face book comments to provide the evidence needed but all was out of our reach without a court order. Sarah Hursell violated the no contact order on few occasions and when brought to the probations officers’ attention she was only talked to and nothing was enforced giving these girls more power. Samantha Hibbard who pleaded guilty only received a slap on the hand. She was tried as a minor but was given community service as an adult since she turned 18 during the court hearing. Both of these girls have laughed at and mocked the school, police and the court system. When will such situations be taken seriously and given the attention it should? As we see in the news everyday many of situations occur but are not brought to light until some one dies by the hands of others or their own.
Samantha Hibbard and Sarah H. continue to torment my daughter with intimidation in a subtle way so as to avoid consequences. Sarah Hursell parks next to my daughter every day at school for no reason except to take the opportunity to smirk at my daughter and the damage caused to her car. She provides the means for Samantha Hibbard to be in close contact with my daughter my giving her rides after school where she will be next to my daughter getting in the car. Samantha has entered my daughter’s class, where she did not belong, to laugh and smirk with Sarah Hursell making my daughter feel helpless. Samantha and Sarah’s softball teammates again spread rumors with an alleged petition to place a comment in the school year book next to my daughters picture comparing her to Harry Potter for the scar Samantha inflicted to her forehead or to Pamela Anderson because of her breast augmentation. We did report all of this to school only to be told they would speak with girls and they did. As a result the girls just said sorry on each occasion and all was dropped. Sarah Hursell was instructed to stop parking next to my daughter and she did once confronted. Samantha Hibbard received no discipline for leaving her class to go into my daughters and of course was told don’t do it again. I did contact the probation officer of Samantha Hibbard who told me she would talk to her. As a result the Ashley Marshall spoke with Samantha Hibbard who gave excuses for the incidents, said sorry and all was dropped. Ashley Marshal told me nothing could be done and the case would be closed on Thursday the 15th. I was told no violation could be brought in relation to the protective order since it was their word against my daughters. She advised me since this was the first time I had contacted her and she did not feel it was that significant. How many times does the no contact order have to be violated? I did not realize there was a certain amount of times or any difference whether it happened on the first day of the order or the last day. We do have the information at school in relation to the parking which is on film provided by the camera the school advised my daughter to park by and the follow up by the principle in regards to Samantha leaving her class to attend my daughters. All of this seems minor by itself but all together has instilled fear by intimidation to my daughter and shows a lack of regard for rules appointed by the court or remorse for their actions. What good is a no contact order if not enforced for any and all infractions? How severe does the contact need to be before taken seriously? Does my daughter need to be brutalized again or even worse? I was told I should just pursue the matter with Samantha Hibbard as an adult since she is eighteen now. Funny how that works in the court system she is tried as a minor, given the punishment of a juvenile except for her community service, which was dictated as an adult because she was eighteen. So was she a juvenile or an adult at the time of crime and punishment? The over all attitude provided to us by the school, the probation officer and the court is to let it go, school is almost over and move on. I am outraged!!!! What about the next child or the current children being bullied? What happens to them and what message are we sending to these offenders? Does anyone wonder why these children don’t come forward if they don’t feel protected by anyone? Thank God that my daughter at least has a good family support and a strong will to attempt to overcome this and did not take her life as Phoebe Prince did.
My daughter is still in counseling and has been diagnosed with major depression and low self-esteem as a result of the torture she has endured by these girls. She has been started on medication and has a daily reminder of the incident every time she looks in the mirror and sees the scar on her forehead left from the assault making it impossible for her to let it go. She has lost multiple friends, isolated herself, and dropped out of many social and school events this year because of the fear of physical harm and harassment. She will not be attending her prom because of the fear of not being protected from these girls and ongoing rumors of more to happen to her. Unfortunately many of my daughter’s classmates have first hand knowledge of the events but fear for their own well-being and repercussions from the girls and other classmates if they come forward.
This situation is not over at this time and hopefully with counseling my daughter will not be another tragic news story only to be acknowledged and heard after the fact of a tragic incident. I am asking for someone to validate her and help her with protection, resolution and justice. I am asking for the parents, schools and the courts to put forth more effort to hold these offenders accountable and take it seriously. These children are not innocent teens but predators. Not only are the victim’s lives changed forever but the violators also. My heart goes out to the family of Phoebe Prince and what they are going through because only by the grace of God this could very easily be my daughter. Attends Fairfield High School
Sincerely, Susi Clark
513-894-1957
4103 Hickory view Dr
Hamilton. Ohio 45011
From Nikki:
Another thing I forgot to mention: I do not think that her parents are a big part of the blame. A lot of people do want to place a big chunk of the blame on them because they didn't place her in a different school or whatnot. Since I am 18 years old and I have a little more recent high school experience than some of these other people I would like to share a few of my opinions on the matter! Okay, first off I don't think that her parents knew everything that was going on. These days kids don't want to tell their parents things like that, they usually want to deal with these types of problems on their own. Lots of kids don't want their parents in the middle of their drama because how embarrassing is it if you get your mom or your dad to fight all of your fights for you? And if I ever had anything like this going on, my mom would always tell me "Nikki, this is your little girl drama and you're going to have to figure it out on your own". Parents don't know how much worse it is these days, they think things are still the way they were when they were growing up. For most kids it is embarrassing if their parents or even they themselves talk to the teacher, principal, or counselor about this kind of thing because the bully(ies) get called to the office and find out that the victim snitched on them. After this has taken place, it will actually be worse for the victim because the bully(ies) will spread word of the victim being a snitch and everyone will have something new to pick on them about. It really sucks but a lot of this goes on at my school and I see how it works from the inside. Maybe this can give a few people a better understanding of why the parent's may not have done anything about the problem! Then again, maybe the parents did try hard but the school never did anything about it or tried to get any peer mediation going on! But even if the school did try to do something, a lot of this went on outside of school as well, with the text messages and e-mails. Anyway, what's done is done. I wish peace and love to the family and friends of this bright young lady. God Bless them!
Thanks for saying this Nikki. You are absolutely right about parents and the school administration. And from my experience school administrators always said if someone is bothering you to tell them but they either never did anything about it or if they did do something about it, it only got worse. And as for the parents my parents just thought that things weren't so bad or things would take care of themselves. Or sometimes they thought if they just told the administrators things would be taken care of in two minutes. The reality is things were bad and things didn't take care of themselves. It usually took a fight and students getting suspended for anybody to do anything. That is the saddest part about bullying and the thing is the victim and the bully get suspended. And like I said a few posts ago, people take quick and swift action over little things but when it comes to something like bullying it is put on the back burner and the victim is often told to stick up for him/herself, go to therapy or take the blame for their problem. Even on the website that I was on for a few months I was told that there is no monitoring of the threads and if I don't like the threads then don't go on them.
Posted 04/14/2010 at 03:31:42 PMToday you have to be very careful what you say, write and do. You never know how people are going to process infomation and interpret it. And once you say, write or do the wrong thing even if it doesn't hurt anybody it hurts yourself and people can use it aganist you. If you react in an inappropriate way to something you are in trouble. Sometimes I don't even know what is the right thing to say, write and do anymore because sometimes no matter what I do it seems that it is never good enough. And people often pick on every little thing. I just don't understand this.
Posted 04/14/2010 at 07:02:34 PMDear
susi clark and Daughter,
I am heart broken to hear about the abuse your little girl went through. Susi depending on how long it has been since these two Beast abused you daughter an left a scare. You could take them into Small Claims Court. It's Civial not Criminal. Digging into their parents pocket book may change their attitudes. If the attack was 2 years or less you and your daughter should go to SCC. I don't know what the maximum is in your state, but where I am it's $7000.00. There is another avenue you could take? I don't recommend it. My Girl-friend's son went through crap at his high-school. My girl-friend has two sons, at the time Jon was 17 and Tim was 19 years old. The family did the same things that you and your daughter did to protect “ her son.” My girl friends family waited until most of Jon's abusers were 18 yr. Jon was a Jr., the bullies were senors. Tim mustered up a few of his friends and beat the shit out of 4 of the Abusers. It worked for their family.
I hope to God that these two animals leave your daughter alone.
Bill Cosby lashes out
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Bill-Cosby-lashes-out-at-Phoebe-Prince-bullies-90830324.html
Khloe Kardashian lashes out
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Khloe-Kardashian-lashes-pout-at-Phoebe-Prince-bullies-90624944.html
Looks like they are the most hated people in America and the world. They are competing with Osama bin Laden/Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, Charles Manson, and Lori Drew. This consider the fact that Bin Laden is the most hated living person and one of the most hated of all times besides Hitler and Stalin.
Posted 04/14/2010 at 08:43:52 PMR.I.P. Phoebe. the rest of you little shits who picked on her can rot in a cell. society doesnt need nor want people like you.
Posted 04/14/2010 at 11:48:05 PMSusi Clark:
My heart goes out to you and your daughter.
Posted 04/15/2010 at 12:17:16 PMI've taken harrassment, bullying, name calling, the whole nine yards all through my school years but never once wanted to kill myself. People go thru crap like that daily everywhere but don't hang themselves over it, thats just too much for nothing. Let that be a lesson to everyone. Keep your head up, your mouth shut, and move forward ALIVE.
Posted 04/15/2010 at 02:28:39 PMI am so disgusted with these teenagers in this case. What right or entitlement do they think they have to treat someone so poorly and badger an innocent human being like that? As a parent of a teen I am horrified by this incident and look at these kids upbringing as well. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I hope to God these students will have to serve a very harsh punishment for what they did. It is disgusting to read and more disgusting to see the pictures of their smug faces.
Posted 04/16/2010 at 08:17:10 AMWhere were Phoebe's parents in all this? That's the front-line in stopping teenage suicide. Parents need to step up and take responsibility for their kids mental health. My daughter was in a fight at school and I was right on top of it when I found out. If she had been bullied, I'd been in somebodies face at the school office. I'm also giving my children relationship and other 'advice' as needed. I feel for the lost of Phoebe, but where were her parents and where in the world are the parents of those brats??
Posted 04/16/2010 at 12:07:45 PMI can NOT belive this! I can NOT understand how freaking shallow, selfish, stupid, these girls are or their parents. MOCKING THE GIRLS DEATH ON FACEBOOK???????
MY GOD!!
I hope the little b@tches get every form of punhishment possible, and i'm not talking about mommy and daddy (maybe if he is around) taking away the ipod. I'm hoping and praying that these girls GO TO JAIL! Maybe then these little b@tches will know that life does not revolve aroud them.
Jail will do what mom should have done years ago, oh wait, i'm sure mom is a stupid mean b@tch too. Children are reflections of parenting.
On a side note, I'm not ignorant, i'm dyslix. Be kind and rip my thoughts (if nessassary) and not my grammer or lack their of.
Posted 04/16/2010 at 08:06:16 PMThis is just horrible! I went through bullying of ALL kinds in school to the point i couldnt take it i stopped going to school for periods of time...then everybody forgot about the girl who dated all the popular kids, then i was just know as a nerd. My heart and soul goes out to Phoebe and her family!
Posted 04/16/2010 at 08:26:24 PMDonald, Phoebe's mother and aunt tried to take action against the bullies, but the school did nothing.
Posted 04/16/2010 at 08:31:46 PMI may be cold-blooded, or maybe i just need to actually experience this scary bullying but what's up with everyone!!! Did Phoebe try to help herself? I mean hanging yourself, maybe I'm just too spoiled or pampered but I can't imagine why someone would hang themselves b/c someone called you a ugly slut on Facebook. Maybe in real life, when those mentally ill girls said it to her face, Phoebe was too scared, but on Facebook you should be able to be anything you want on the web and if you are being cyber-bullied you have the choice to stop going on or turn a blind eye to those messages. and those girls, well they must have something wrong in their brains or must have gone through something to make them twisted but I think they're suffering right now. They got what they deserved. Who wants to be known as the 9 girls who bullied someone to death. To those type of girls self-image is everything and did they even know Phoebe was being pushed this far( or did she pretend to act tough and make things worse or herself)? And I'm sorry but what news report calls people shitty( although they are low, that doesn't justify using such strong adjectives, these thoughts should be kept to yourself)?Send as much hate mail reply back, but Phoebe chose a hard, but also easy way out. I'm sorry this had to happen to you, Phoebe, but are you happy? The whole world is on your side. Those girls are going to want to die too now, what kind of teenage girl is actually able to think so criminally to be able to disregard all the media and kill people just because? I remember reading back that the girls names should be posted so that a Facebook or Myspace page can be created dedicated to Phoebe and giving those girls a piece of their minds. Isn't that also a form of cyber-bullying, do people want to start another chain leading to suicide. Doing that won't make Phoebe come back to life, it will only satisfy everyone's ego to make oneself feel better and it'll also be done in vain. Those girls need to live and repent. I hate to say this, but Phoebe chose to die, don't forget. Everyone has a choice whether life or death. After all the hate mail to those girls and love to Phoebe all my sympathy for her has been drained.i don't feel sorry for Phoebe, I feel sorry that she was bullied, but it ends there. She should have tried and she shouldn't have left her family to cope with mourning over her death and depression. it's much harder for those left behind because they still have to live.
Posted 04/16/2010 at 10:38:24 PMYou may be cold-blooded...
Or you may simply be hopelessly, incurably, ignorant.
Must be so blissful.
Posted 04/16/2010 at 11:33:05 PMI know some people are going to hate me for what I have to say, but I feel that I have to because there are a lot of over-generalizations in the few comments that I have read that are making me quite angry.
It is a horrible thing that those girls did, treating that poor girl the way they did. There is no possible way for them to justify their actions. However they did what they did and a beautiful girl paid the highest price for this. One person mentioned that the parents brought their children to america to get a taste of american life and they're met with this. I hate to tell you this, but no matter where you go, private or public school, you will always find a bully or a group of bullies. It's unavoidable.
Some other comments I've read talk about the people in the school, and at one point the entire town. I agree that the school should have done something about this. I see this sort of stuff(bullying) day in and day out because I,myself am in high school. However, bullying is not the only thing that a school has to worry about. I am not trying to stick up for the school because I think it's the school's job to protect its students and to give them a safe place to learn and explore the options available to them, however, you cannot decide that everyone in the school or town should be punished because of illthought actions on behalf of a couple girls. There are probably a lot of students and people in that school and town that would never condone this type of behaviour in a million years.
Also, what makes people think that they have the right to go after the girls who did this to Phoebe? You all are talking about how it's such a horrible thing and no one deserves it, and for the most part, the comments I have read are by older people, but you're talking about doing the same thing to these girls that they did to Phoebe. They were wrong in their actions so what justifies us to do the same wrong actions to them? Dragging them in the mud and beating them down with words will not bring Phoebe back or make her family and friends feel any better. I know because this happened to one of my dearest friends. Nothing I could do made a difference and when the girls who bullied my friend got outed by our peers, I had expected it to make me feel better but it didn't. Instead, it seemed completely backwards and as though my friend had died in vain because no one had learned anything from her death. I know it's a horrible way to look at a suicide, as a lesson, but that's what it is, or at least that is the way I see it. It's bringing attention to the faults of society and making people pay attention to what they don't want to acknowlege happens.
My heart goes out to Phoebe's family and friends, it truly does, but posting horrible messages of hate will not make them feel better and will not bring back Phoebe. You're not doing anything but being hateful people hating on people just like all of you. I'm sorry if I offend anyone because I don't mean to but can you not see it? It's obvious to me. This is not how to deal with this sort of thing. Learning from this and going about trying to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening is what we should be taking from this tragic story of mortality and the power of our words.
As for the girls, I hope that they realize what they have done and I hope that they are found guilty and have to answer for their actions. I have to believe that the justice system will do what it is designed for and not let Phoebe's death go unnoticed and fade into the background, along with all of those other people who have found themselves in the same situation.
As morbid as it sounds and as much as I hope for it to not happen, there is always going to be that popular group of people who believe that they have the right to dominate people's lives and there will always be that person who cannot take it anymore and see no other way out.
RIP Chris & Phoebe may you're deaths not have been in vain.
Posted 04/17/2010 at 12:20:22 AM"However, bullying is not the only thing that a school has to worry about."
This statement is exactly what the bullies deprived Phoebe of; “A public education”. Therefore the schools first priority is to see that every child that goes to school are Protected from prejudice and violence.
Posted 04/17/2010 at 02:38:01 AMI have to write a paper on this and its hard enough to even write the words suicide and her name. i cried while reading it i amy be a guy but this is horrible. i just pray that she is in heaven and mabye asked for forgivness. people going this deep into bullying that commit suicide i think should go to heaven. For someone to go that low int depression. Idk if she but i pray and have faith she is... i just dont know. I am a servant God and am saved this why i believe this and say such. sorry for mis gramer typing fast. yah this is for college to and im typing half of the paper becuase it is so depressing i cant finish it.
Posted 04/17/2010 at 10:51:52 AM"Phoebe promptly walked into her house and hanged herself in a closet."
Everywhere else I read this, it said that she hung herself on a stairwell..
Posted 04/17/2010 at 12:57:47 PM@ SC. You obviously have no sense of what it is to be bullied or harassed. It consumes your life. You think about it 24/7. You wake up in the night and worry about it. "Turning a blind eye" to abusive behavior is, in reality, not possible.
Phoebe was not only new to the school, but new to the country and she suddenly found herself being tormented. She was called names in person and on the Internet and she feared being jumped by a group of girls as she walked in the hallways at school and on the way home. She was a gentle type who didn't fight. That is in part why she was targeted. Bullies pick on those they know they can bully. If she was a big, tough, loud type, they wouldn't have tried anything.
She was sweet and pretty and she started dating a cute guy. Jealousy - and bullying/harassment/mental abuse/physical threats ensued.
The school didn't help her despite pleas from her and her mom.
Defending the kids who abused her condones what they did.
Phoebe didn't choose the easy way out. How dare you suggest that? Poor girl. RIP.
Posted 04/17/2010 at 03:04:36 PMReply to Sandy ...
Have you stepped foot in a high school as of late? There are more things happening than just bullying that are just as dangerous to students' lives as bullying. If the school system spends all of their time going after bullies they would never get to any of the other stuff that plagues students.
And, not trying to take away from the sadness that comes with Phoebe's case, but what about those students who are bullied that don't kill themselves? The only time bullying gets looked at is when someone dies, which is unfortunate. But think about it, how many times has a kid said, "oh so and so did this." and then the parent says, "it's a kid thing" or it brings back a memory.
Bullying is a part of growing up as horrible as it sounds. It always has been and probably will be. Yes, something should be done about it, especially when it's brought to their attention, but they have a lot of stuff on their plates. It's not just the job of the school to do something.
Also, what about all of the kids who just sit aside and watch as this happens to people? I don't hear anyone saying anything about those people who didn't stand up for this poor girl, but instead allowed it to happen. They're just as much as fault as those who did the actual bullying.
Posted 04/17/2010 at 05:40:08 PMI agree with the people who said "what kind of parent raises kids to think it's okay to treat people this way." It's the pack mentality that makes them think they are invincible and no one can stop them.
Posted 04/17/2010 at 09:51:44 PMAlso the boys who dated Phobe are scumbags. I can't understand how an article says they are good kids when they are the root of the problem and the girls they dated are so stupid to think its Phobe's fault. If your guy is with you, then he has no business asking out someone else. But take out your frustration on him and not the girl who was not aware.
I don't think the other student who saw what was happening are to blame. Please let the bullies be accountable for their own behavior. Don't try to make those who are following the rules and trying their best to survive in school suffer for those who cause trouble. Whenever a crisis happens, and then you ask people who the troublemakers are, most people can name names because those people are the problem. Police or campus security should get involved earlier and remove them from campus.
Reply to mirror,
You have made some great points in expressing your opinion on the Phoebe story. I see where you are coming from with some of your comment. My 15 year old goes to high school, a large high school. The campus police 3 are looking for the kids smoking Cigs and pot. I don't like the idea of the cigs and pot, but I would rather they spend more time stopping the fights and watching the actions of the known gangs. Teachers, Principles and most of the Students have a good idea who is being bullied or not. There will always be bullying ever where a person goes some time in their life. Phoebe's situation was different, the WHOLE SCHOOL KNEW......
Her parents talked to the Principe, the teacher in the library watched Phoebe the DAY she killed herself being physically and verbally abused. The teacher did nothing to stop it. All the students knew and they did nothing to help her.
The laws have to change in order to make examples out of these kids that are bullies. Kids know that they are under age and anything goes. I don't know what the answer is, maybe make these punks an example? Sue the Hell out of their parents and the School Faculty?
Posted 04/18/2010 at 05:41:11 AMLife can be so confusing kid. If we only could have noticed, but we forgot the anxiety of wanting to be accepted. Life moves so fast and sometimes our only retreat is a TV news channel advertising dirty laundry. By the way... Nancy Grace, why don’t you be so passionate about the good that people do. Phoebe, I will pray for you. I ask our Father to take your soul into His gates. What ever the rules imply, I will take the punishment. You get my ticket, hope that I have one. People are generally good, it is rare to get a glimpse of what it is like to think one whole thought and not consider one’s self. People are good. Phoebe, I pray that Heaven slaps this idea into the face of the people that have not gotten the chance. Where are you now Phoebe? Are you feeling safe? I know your are, we love you so much. I hold an Erie coin for you, little innocent child.
Posted 04/18/2010 at 02:00:14 PMThis shit is crazy. those young ladies need to be made an example of. The school should be looked into also. To the parents of these bullies, What the fuck is going on in your home to make your child so angry? To the prince family you will be in my prayers.
Posted 04/18/2010 at 04:38:58 PMwho on this earth could do something like this? those girls are sick! i can't believe that they would call her a slut just for having a boyfriend, but its more than likely that THEY were the sluts! some people need to take a look at reality, because this young girls life is over, and i hope that those horrible girls have gotten some serious punishment, because now she is gone, AND ITS ALL THEIR FAULT!!!!!!!!! SICK SICK CHILDREN! I HOPE THEY GO TO HELL!
Posted 04/18/2010 at 10:36:05 PMI just kinda wanna go to this school and punch those girls in the face.... i dont give a shit about not hitting women at this moment
Posted 04/18/2010 at 11:12:15 PMI wish this girl didnt blame herself for all the bullying she went thru and insted she blamed the bullies.... maybe she would've killed those fat ugly bitches
Posted 04/18/2010 at 11:20:00 PMWell, the sub-standard school failed, the subhuman pieces of teenage gunk who did this (and their parents) failed, and, of course, it's not impossible to believe that few of Phoebe Prince's peers actually bothered to help her when she was being abused, though I guess it's easy for everybody to light candles afterwards.
There's an old Sicilian saying - "if everybody is to blame, then nobody is to blame". Expect bucks to be passed and tossed all kinds of directions until the story fades out and toothless statements of responsibility bandied about.
Really, a lot of people here need to be seriously brought to book, but won't be. Hopefully the town is so scandalized that the lives of the people involved take an irreversible downward turn themselves.
Please save things like "it won't make Phoebe come back/solve anything, just as bad as them" etc. In case you can't tell I'm all about retribution and couldn't give a toss.
Posted 04/19/2010 at 04:23:43 AMChristieLynn or whatever your name is---> do you think the adults on this website are stupid sweetie? You are probably just as guilty as all the rest. Sitting on your high horse making statements that are so easy to say - yet that may be because YOUR not getting shit on right? Just wait little girl. Life hasn't even started for you kids who are involved - oh how hard it will be for you guys. Its awful what happened to Pheobe - horrible. Beyond your childish understanding. My dad was stabbed to death last August by his adopted SON. He got away with it somehow. But trust me- tell your little friends at school that in the real world - its not that easy baby girl. Always watch your back and from now on since your a CHEESE EATER apparently with these girls and boys who are so ridiculously disgusting and absolutely NOT going to get life what so ever when their on their own- man I can't wait to laugh when it all comes falling down on you guys. That's the real revenge- it always COMES FULL CIRCLE. And if you are involved little girl- SHAME ON YOUR ASS!!! How dare you even comment. You have no remorse even for just a suicide that maybe you weren't or were involved in causing but you stand up for the people that definitely were - ass kisser. GROW UP
Posted 04/19/2010 at 02:30:07 PMPLEASE CHOOSE YOUR WOORDS WITH CARE.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS I'VE READ ARE SO MEAN. JUST LIKE THOSE MEAN GIRLS/BOYS AT SCHOOL. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH.
JUST BE NICE IT RUBBS OF ON PEOPLE.
Posted 04/19/2010 at 04:26:19 PMMy prayers go out for phoebes family...while reading this i started to cry b/c its so sad how cruel kids can be and that this girl lost her life b/c of these horrible little girls..these girls are awful people who deserve a harsher punishment than a suspension..their stupid asses should be throne into jail their just spoiled little pieces of trash..
Those girls are just horrible people they deserve to rot in hell...i'm in high school and its really bad now...nowadays people make fun of other people just to make themselves feel better or just b/c their friends are doing it and i think thats just awful...The big problem is the fact that the board of education and principals aren't taking whats going on seriously and really punishing kids for what they do...suspending a kid for the week isn't helping its just giving them a vacation....
I'm 16 years old and a junior in high school...I've always been a good student and I've been as kind as i can to people but this year people think its funny to mess with me and my friends just b/c their not so happy with their own lives...but when i see them or hear them me and my friends just hold our heads up high and walk away and let them know that your not important this is high school its not forever..HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ARE CRUEL...i tell kids off and let them know they cant hurt me and thats what gets them even more angry but not all kids are like me and my friends not all kids can just walk away and not let it bother them some kids become so broken from everything but these kids who do the bullying don't realize it and they don't realize that their words and actions can cause a broken kid to take their own life or hurt themselves...they don't realize that they may be causing a parent to lose their child or a brother or sister to lose their sibling..the kids who bully dont see that they dont realize that high school is not forever and their going to regret their actions...
I have two little brothers one is 13 and the other one is 1 year old and i look at them and pray that they don't endure what a lot of kids have to go through everyday b/c kids are just that cruel...high school is just getting worse everyday ...
My prayers really does go out to this girls family...
Posted 04/19/2010 at 04:57:44 PMmy name is ladasha i think girl like dats r a bunch of losers
Posted 04/19/2010 at 07:53:15 PMwho bullys other ppl dats so old like seriously this is 2010
like i have angry issues but i dnt take it out on others by bulling ppl dats so childish like really if i went 2 dat skool n them girls tryed 2 do dat 2 me that wud be my day im goin 2 jail 4 beating there ass till they ask 4 mercy i swer
i hate 2 c a ppl do dat 2 other i hate 2 c a girl take her life like dat because of sum bunch of losers i feel so bad i jus wud wont 2 protect sumone like dat even tho there not related 2 me all i can say now is put me in 2 dat skool so i can hurt thos who do dat 2 other kids like really i jus hate ppl do do dat stuff it unnecessary n dum i hope sum one gives them hell 4 wut they did if not let me get at them im no joke wen it comes 2 dis type of stuff
but anyway i give my best wishes 4 thet girls parents.
How sad can ppl get its awful that things like this can go on my love goes to the family of this young girl xxxx
Posted 04/19/2010 at 07:59:11 PMSchool bullying is out of control. I had suicide attempts but not like this. :( so sad.
Posted 04/19/2010 at 08:27:09 PMCalling people pieces of garbage and shitty human beings is dropping yourself down to their level. This poor girl was tormented and ended her own life as a result of it.
I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really? Calling people names is where this story originated, we live in a society where what others say to us is taken seriously, and taken way too far. Physical abuse is another epidemic that needs to be dealt with. Whatever the speculation is behind this story, let the authorities take care of it. Write letters to your law makers, and be the change that you want to see, publishing the offenders names and ridiculing them is exactly what they did to her.
Do you really want to become part of the problem?
Posted 04/20/2010 at 03:45:50 PMim sorry for phoebes family and friends. rip phoebe
Posted 04/20/2010 at 08:37:29 PMThis kind of crap has always happened. It happens a lot to "the new girl" in school who is liked or used by a popular boy. All she wants is a friend,acceptance. If she's at all cute than no one likes her. She's competition to the nasty popular girls and the not so popular ones don't except her either because they think she may be one of the popular ones. Jealousy and no friends- can't win on either side. I was hated,locked in closets,publicly humiliated by having people force my clothes off and laugh ,they followed me home to do this (latch-key kids)you feel like it's your fault some how but can't figure out how to fix it- telling has repercussions worse than the little warning talks the bullies get from a teacher...chased by girls and boys with sling shots and accused of things,I tried to off myself before and wasn't very good at it obviously. (I went to more than 10 schools)Later as an adult people act surprized how much I hated school . I had decent grades,wasn't unattractive (I of course didn't know this then) and even did some sports here and there. But the whole time thought school was generally a lonely hell. Now its worse cause they can get you in even more ways.
Posted 04/21/2010 at 09:06:20 AMOh yeah and this was the 70's and 80's. Later on my first son was the target in 4th grade because he was new, smart, and different. He was being sent to the emergency room for severe stomache problems-doctors couldn't figure it out cept to say it was extreme stess. Then they tell me to fix it (like the stress was from me). I find out my son was beeing harassed verbally and physically daily at school (4th grade!) I was at the school constanstly- talking to principles,teachers etc... all they said they could do was send a letter home with these jerks and only if they caught them in the act. Moost of this happened in hallways , playground wherever there was a lot going on. My son wouldn't tell I forced it out of him. I even would sit in my car at recess to prevent this.. I finally took him out of school and homeschooled him to keep him safe. He wasn't that different on the outside just a normal 9 or 10 year old boy . later at 19 years old he "came out of the closet" I was shocked myself but still, he was so scared no one not even his own mom would accept him. He went on to depression as I did and medication and we got help. But it stays with you and you never really learn how to have friends.... Why are people so cruel? I suspect we'll never know.
Posted 04/21/2010 at 09:28:30 AMI graduated in the 90's from Walnut HS in California and this was common practice at my HS as well. I was escorted to/from breaks and lunch because my predator named one Stephanie Jones and her "gang" of girls wouldn't let up. Until I wrote down every name of every girl in the truck that chased me. I drove straight to the police station and the next day, 10 sheriffs cars lined the street ready to take all girls into custody. It didn't happen over night but I got the help I needed. Sadly, I am not ugly and for the very reason Phoebe was taunted, I was too.
It is very sad because most parents have no idea what their "innocent" kids are doing.
Posted 04/21/2010 at 01:05:18 PMLet me just say this...... I do not know any of these people. It is very sad that this 15 year old girl died. But really don't take it out of the girls that were being mean... Parents should teach their children to be strong.... Name calling in so lil she would not have made it in the world anyways if that was her biggest worry.She should have stood up for herself and did something back but she didn't she want to make everyone feel sorry for her and that is why she did what she did.. I feel sorry for her family, but it is not the girls faults that were being mean. Kids are kids deal with it... And it was her choices not anyone elses.. Noone elese pulld the trigger or hung her.... She did that on her own...... I have had someone in my family that has done the same thing and you can't blam anyone but them.. And this crap about them being arrested will never go anywhere with the court......... Sorry to the people that are hurting but also sorry the the girl that are being shit on by the other people that think it is their fault........ ITS NOT..................... Life goes on don't blam the wrong people all I have to say is I blam her she did it to herself........ Oh and by the way I was I cheerleader :)
Posted 04/21/2010 at 01:20:48 PMLindsey...have you ever been bullied? My guess is that you haven't or you wouldn't be so quick as to judge the actions of a 15 year old HS girl who hung/hanged herself. Or better yet, were you there with her while she was being name called? Uh ya, chances are again, you were not there either. So for you to sit there and say she killed herself over a "lil name calling" is utterly uncomprehensable to say the least. Kids are wired different, some are stronger than others, some are passive some are aggressive but no two are the same. And I'm almost positive that these "mean" kids knew exactly what they were doing. Take me for instance, I was name called everyday and it wasn't the name calling that drove me crazy, it was the embarrassment and helplessness that made me feel like I wanted to kill myself. Granted, I did not kill myself but there were days that I wanted to so I UNDERSTAND why Phoebe did it. I had girls that taunted me, that I didn't even know and later found out the only reason they did it was because the ring leader told them to and they wanted to fit in and be accepted. And you know WHY I was taunted?? Because the bully leader wanted my ex boyfriend!! Yes, he was already an EX!!! She was just plain crazy. So when it happens everyday, where you are threatened, made fun of, called names to the point where you can't sleep, eat or leave your classroom without escort then yes, killing yourself looks a whole lot better than what you are enduring on a daily basis. And did it ever occur to you that the mean girls are just plain crazy? Since when does anyone, letalone 15 year olds need an analyzation on why they do things?? It is very apparent you were a cheerleader, you obviously weren't in school to learn because you can't spell for crap and your ending words were " Oh and by the way I was I cheerleader :)". In case you were wondering, this article isn't about you. I don't care that you were a cheerleader!!
Posted 04/21/2010 at 01:56:54 PMI know how Phoebe felt. I know how it feel for someone to break up you and your boyfriend out of jealousy. One time the girl tried to steal my boyfriend out of jealousy. She was probably just made because no one else would date her. She talked shit to me on myspace and over the phone calling me a slut and a whore. Which didnt bother me because I knew she was jealous. She was just as ugly as the girls who bullied Phoebe. She look like Serena and Venus William(who ugly)but she had short curly hair and glasses and was short. She is just like the girls who bullied Phoebe Prince. She and them are all just a bunch of stupid ugly jealous ungrateful bitches.
Posted 04/21/2010 at 02:48:11 PMWhat-name-isnt-taken said:
Calling people pieces of garbage and shitty human beings is dropping yourself down to their level. This poor girl was tormented and ended her own life as a result of it.
I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but really? Calling people names is where this story originated, we live in a society where what others say to us is taken seriously, and taken way too far. Physical abuse is another epidemic that needs to be dealt with. Whatever the speculation is behind this story, let the authorities take care of it. Write letters to your law makers, and be the change that you want to see, publishing the offenders names and ridiculing them is exactly what they did to her.
Do you really want to become part of the problem?
Yesterday I read the article in the April 26, 2010 People's Magazine about Phoebe Prince and the events that led to her suicide. I read it about three or four times and I have been thinking. Something needs to be done. There needs to be anti bullying laws. Also there needs to be a Bullying Awareness Day and Month all over the world. People need to realize that Bullying is everywhere and it is bad. It is about time teachers and administrators took it seriously. It is about time parents become informed and look for signs to see if a child is being bullied or if the child is a bully. It is about time for even employers and employees to recognize bullying. Finally it is about time for the social networking websites to start taking bullying seriously too. Even bullying in adults happens as I have seen from my experience. The problem is I don't know where to start. Do you think writing a letter to Barack Obama about bullying is going to work? Should I write a letter to local politicians in the area? Should I write this letter to the Department of Education? If somebody could direct me I would do it and that way I would become part of the solution and not the problem. I'm just so tired of sitting here thinking about what happened to Phoebe Prince, to me and many others that have been bullied but have had no idea how to deal with it. Telling the victims to stand up for themselves doesn't cut it. If they have no idea how to handle the situation then they have no idea how to get the bully off them. Blaming the victim doesn't do it either. The victim never got asked to be bulled day in and day out. Everyone should have a voice. Otherwise, there will be more victims who will become depressed and anxious to a point they need to see a therapist and a psychaitrist to deal with their problems. Otherwise, victims will spend the rest of their lives being scared to talk to people for fear that they will be bullied again. Otherwise, they will end up ending their lives that they could have lived.
The bullies in Phoebe's case are definitely to blame for what has happened to her. Phoebe tried to deal with the bullying the best she could and even tried to get help but to no avail. And even when Phoebe at one point was telling one of the bullies (Shanon) to stop calling her a ho, Shanon told her she just did so do something about it. So tell me what was Phoebe to do? Have a fight with her? I sometimes think bullies get a rise out of making people crazy so that they could get into a fight so that people can look at the bullies and think, "poor them." And everytime I see the picture of the bullies I just want to smack them especially Shanon with her mother looking so innocent. And the thing is I read that each time Phoebe was dating the guys at different times none of the guys were with their prospective girlfriends. So I can't figure out why the girls had to get mad about this. If someone breaks up with you the best part is to leave the person alone. I mean come on! But again something needs to be done about bullying and I want to become part of the solution and rise above the bullying that has happened not only to Phoebe but to me and many others out there. It is wrong.
Posted 04/21/2010 at 03:38:02 PMLindsey you dont know shit. so pull your head out of your cheer leading butt and take a look at the REAL world. i agree with rachelle. im in high school and girls are bitches. all i will say is that if i lived in the town with those evil girls who murdered Phoebe. they would be getting the ass beating of a life time over and over again everyday until they killed them selves. then they would see what they put phoebe through! and the teachers and administrators at that school should all be fired. theres no way this kind of bullying could have gone on unnoticed for so long.
Posted 04/21/2010 at 04:10:28 PMTopWorldWebsite.com is launching a Cyber-Bullying Initiative in light of Phoebe Prince, to inform parents about what it is, how to spot the signs and to put a stop to it! Read my (Eric Simmons, Editor of TWW) daily blogs and lend your support to this initiative: www.TopTorldWebsite.com/blog/twweditorsblog
Posted 04/22/2010 at 03:47:27 AMEric Simmons that is fantastic that the US and I have heard that other Countries are stepping up to the plate to take action against bullying in our schools. It's sad that it had to be under these circumstances. Phoebe will be remembered for changing the torment that goes on in our schools, hopefully these kids that bullied Phoebe will be made an example so that kids will know that bullying is a serious crime. Thank You Eric Simmons.
Posted 04/22/2010 at 05:14:43 AMI don't know who those stuck up, little bitches think they are, but i'm more than happy to know that those heartless pieces of shit have to go on the rest of their lives feeling the guilt of taking a beautiful, innocent, little girls life!!! I hope they are punished in the harshest way possible!
Posted 04/22/2010 at 12:22:59 PMOh and whoever this Lindsey chick is, you need to shut your damn mouth because your just as heartless and just as much of a BITCH as those other girls were. GROW THE
Posted 04/22/2010 at 12:29:12 PMLINDSEY, GROW THE HELL UP AND OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!!!!
Posted 04/22/2010 at 12:30:27 PMok seriously you guys are gunna sit here and bull shyte each other and talk crap to each other when this artical is about a girl who killed her self because of the same thing you guys are doing to each other. honestly grow up! i am a 16 yr old high school student and ive been harrased everyday of my life since the 8th grade. it is a hard thing to deal with and deffinetly not something that anyone should have to deal with. 3 years ago a girl around phoebes age also hung herself due to bullying. this is not the first time that this has happened. so honestly shut up and if you wanna talk crap and do the same thing that killed this young girl go ahead but dont do it on the artical that has to do with her. that is a disgrace to this girl and her family
Posted 04/22/2010 at 05:29:02 PMPhoebe Prince probably grew up in an environment where this bullying activity and violence aren't as prevalent as in America, especially in Massachusetts. My wife and I were walking down a Boston suburban street where my wife and I were spat at (and thankfully misssed) by a teen riding in a bus. I have spent considerable time in New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, and other major U.S. cities and have never again experienced such a thing as this.
The unfeeling idiots that perpetrated this should be dealt with severly. For those of you who have read Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter, wouldn't wearing the shame of what they have done seem appropriate? Yeah, right, try and get justice like this today!
Posted 04/22/2010 at 05:38:09 PMThose girls and boys should be but to death for what they did to that poor girl. She did not deserve what she had to go through.
Posted 04/23/2010 at 08:09:05 AMSo here we are reading a story about a teen who killed herself due to excessive bullying and there are several people bullying Tom right now because of what he said. Don't listen to any of them Tom because Phoebe did listen to people like that.
Posted 04/23/2010 at 05:08:34 PMIt's not just disgusting how children can treat each other this way. It's disgusting how any human can do that. But we must remember that it's not entirely their faults. How can a child do the right things if they are not raised properly?
Posted 04/24/2010 at 10:06:35 AMill tell you one thing about thouse stupid fucken girls if i was phoebes mother i will sue the fuck out of thouse girls and make them pay what they did.One day some one is going to pick on your stupid ass and you will know what phoebe felt.I hope you all have night mares BITCHES
Posted 04/24/2010 at 03:57:58 PMOk, I was bullied too. No one ever did anything in my school. This turned out so bad, like constant random people beating me, that I had to move. I still cry when I think about it. And I'm only 12 years old. In my opinion, the name calling is horrible, there are things said that are so terrible no one can even imagine. They even made fun of me for being the only white girl in my school. It felt so... awful, just so unpleasant.
Posted 04/24/2010 at 06:28:29 PMI have been bullied previously and i am only 14 now. I don't think that the girl should've hung herself but i do think that what those girls did was totally wrong.
Posted 04/25/2010 at 03:39:14 AMThats terrible. If I ever came across any of them I'd beat the living hell out of them.
Posted 04/25/2010 at 04:10:22 AMI heard this on a facebook page and it just broke my heart to see most people are bullied because of there friends or boyfriends! I reckon there should be laws against theese things, or that until teens move out they should have what facebook messages they send monitered ect.
Posted 04/25/2010 at 10:19:05 AMMy heart goes out to Pheobe's family, friends and boyfriend, I'm sorry for your loss. xx
Those girls who did that to her should be curb stomped. They're just jealous that they couldn't get with the football player. They need to be put on a death sentence. Because its their fault they pretty much KILLED her. Stupid bitches. You don't do that to people thats fucked up. That pisses me off. They're lucky that I didn't go to that school cus I would have killed them for doing that to her. At least I'd be going to jail for a good reason.
Posted 04/25/2010 at 02:46:25 PMWhat those girl's did was sad. There is no reason why they had to do that. Keep your own bad thoughts to yourself. Did they seriously think that they were not going to get in any trouble at all? You also have to wonder what kind of parents those girls have. I mean sure they probabaly did not know what was going on, but still.
Cyberbullying is wrong. It's a shame that it is going on everyday. Almost every second. I think because of this, every parent should check to see who their child is talking to online, via text, in person with, and hanging out with. The guilt these girls will live with will haunt them forever. What silly little fools.
Posted 04/25/2010 at 04:41:50 PMThis is just awful. There should be an ACTUAL punishments for things like this. They pretty much killed her, and they just don't care.
I can't imagine how Phoebe would've felt. And how her family and friends feel right now. This is downright terrible.
Posted 04/26/2010 at 11:33:46 AMI'm not the type of person to stand by and watch a person get bullied, beat up, tortured, or humiliated in any fashion. In fact, I'd more than likely walk up, grab the person whose getting bullied and leave with them until I knew they were out of harm's way. If it started to escalate beyond that, well it looks like some fists would have to start flying. I'm a pretty chilvalrous guy, because quite frankly, if you want to punch a defenseless person in the face, then you should get ready to have yours punched IN by me.
Posted 04/26/2010 at 12:09:18 PMwow,
Posted 04/26/2010 at 06:33:11 PMthat sux
i know first hand what its like.
today at volleyball practice, i felt like everyone was teaming up with eachother against me.
theres this one kid whos been herasing me for the past 5 years, but luckily were friends now.
after a fight we had, i told the principal, WOW, after five years of trying someone actually helped us be friends
I don't want to sound heartless but....
I don't think they should face jail time at all. I'm sorry she's dead and I do feel bad for her parents but seriously, we've all been bullied and obviously we didn't kill ourselves over it. It's just how school is. I honestly think her parents could have paid more attention to her, I'm sure she didn't go from happy to kill herself after one day. I (as someone who was bullied in high school) know for a fact that after a while you start showing signs of it. My parents noticed I was pissed off a lot more and asked me what was wrong and after I told them they took care of it.
Now that I'm older I have a "like me or f- you" mentality where I could care less if you like me or not. We don't have to like each other to do our jobs we just have to be civil.
Posted 04/27/2010 at 02:29:17 PMCP, what Phoebe endured was beyond bullying. It was harassment, whether you like it or not. Last time, I checked, throwing an object and thrown people into lockers is assault. Just because assault happens a lot, does not make it any more right. The low lives deserve the books to be thrown at them and should be made into examples. Their mentality is no different from Al-Qaeda, Nazis Germany, or Soviet Union.
Posted 04/27/2010 at 08:40:59 PMThe People that Bullied Phoebe Prince Was: Sean Mulveyhill, 17; Kayla Narey, 17; Ashley Longe, 16; Flannery Mullins, 16; Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16,all of South Hadley. Austin Renaud, 18, of Springfield......Bullies are dumb, stupid , asses, who waste their time on hating on someone that they are jealous of lol RIP PHOEBE PRINCE:'(
Posted 04/27/2010 at 10:57:31 PMTo Joana and Katherine:
Keep in mind that others on here have posted, this is just a brief moment in life. That what does not kill you WILL make you stronger. When the time is right, your courage will build and you will know how to handle the situation in such a way that you can feel proud. Everyone is different, some people feel that youre the bigger person by turning the other cheek. In this case it seems thats what you have done. Be proud that though you have been hurt, you have hurt no one in return; you will not have to live with that shame. Keep your head up. If people continue to hit you, you have several options. It may not be the best thing in the eyes of young people such as yourself; however, going to the principal or maybe a teacher that you trust, a parent, or relative and telling them the situation may help to at least stop the physical violence. Words do hurt but never let anyone make you believe that you do not deserve the best that life has the best to offer for you or that you are not good enough to be a part of any and everything that you desire. Remember that one day you will have graduated and become the person you want to be; this is only a stage in your life that you are going through but it will get better. Its like writing a book, this is a chapter...write a great story.
I will keep the family of Phoebe Prince in my prayers; may she rest in peace.
Posted 04/28/2010 at 01:21:20 AMI feel so sad for Phoebe Prince's family and all of her close friends. Why didn't the school do enough too help stop all of this bullying especially in Phoebes Princes case or situation. I truly think a Judge, should make the girls too become public speakers upon the advent that they caused. Too help stop bullying around this nation. And for along time too. Because these girls, should realize that what they all did bye ending such a precious life on this earth. They will "pay" bye becoming public speakers. Bye giving speeches too school districts or colleges that could help stop bullying, across this nation too explain about negative Peer pressure, and what it does too students. Especially students grouping up upon one another and ganging up upon that one student and making him, or her feel so sullen, and low, down, and making them feel like a nobody. Also talk about of how they even bullied Phoebe on the telephone and the internet on facebook, myspace, or etc. But first they should have too spend at least sometime in jail first. Koszarek Livingston.
Posted 04/29/2010 at 02:05:00 PMGod bless Phoebe Prince. She is always loved bye God our holy heavenly father and our lord and savior Jesus Christ. Her life shined upon this earth like all of the Sunsets right before night. she is always in our hearts. Koszarek Livingston
Posted 04/29/2010 at 02:15:07 PMAmy said:
What those girl's did was sad. There is no reason why they had to do that. Keep your own bad thoughts to yourself. Did they seriously think that they were not going to get in any trouble at all? You also have to wonder what kind of parents those girls have. I mean sure they probabaly did not know what was going on, but still.
Cyberbullying is wrong. It's a shame that it is going on everyday. Almost every second. I think because of this, every parent should check to see who their child is talking to online, via text, in person with, and hanging out with. The guilt these girls will live with will haunt them forever. What silly little fools.
Cyberbullying isn't going on with just children it is going on with adults too. This is what happened to me last year when I was Yelp. I was 33 years old. They called me robot because I wrote long answers to threads and then they started copying my answers to other threads. In addition they made snotty remarks about what I wrote. In the meantime, I see the threads and many of them have no business on the site to the public. Then after I closed out my account, I had a thread created about me as if I were dead and they copied all my answers onto the thread and had other people say I was from planet Mars and I was two generations before my time. I complained to Yelp, BBB and even wrote a letter to them with the thread about me attached and their attitude is they don't monitor threads and if I don't like what these people are doing on the threads then I should just ignore them. You would think that as adults they would know better. They are just as bad as children are. And their attitudes were if somebody asks to take down something they wrote that is negative about them, they won't do it. But a few years ago when I was writing a blog I wrote an e-mail conversation between a friend and I and later I was on the phone with this friend being accused by my former employer of writing negative things about this friend. I never did that although I did write negative things about the former organization and a co-worker in general. I took that blog immediately to save myself aggravation. But if any of those yelpers ever wrote a blog about me they would get away with it. It is sad but true.
Posted 04/30/2010 at 12:24:44 PMAw what a tragic event. so sad.
:(
these girls should get arrrested and charged. what faggost girls.
Posted 05/03/2010 at 03:16:47 PMThis is not only pathetic and cruel but those little bitches need to be made not only accountable for their actions but to be made an example of as well. How dare they take over someone's life and completely ruin every single day for someone? Who and What gives them the right to think they are better than this girl? OH PLEASE! I went to high school w/ bitches like these. Only in my day (the 80's) you didn't have internet and cell phones so freely as to be able to control someone so much. It was rumors and comments at school or calling your home, at which time your parents stopped that.
What is wrong with these girls? They have no morals, no conscience and no good upbringing OR maybe their parents are the exact same way.
My own sons have stopped kids at school from bullying mentally handicapped students b/c they KNEW it wasn't right. You are not to judge people b/c they look or act differently from you. We all think other people are freaks.....so am i....so are you. that is why there are so many different walks of life. And excuse the hell out of me.....where is the rule that states you can only date a jock if you are one of the bitchy popular girls or a cheerleader? haven't seen that rule yet. I WISH I WERE IN THAT TOWN AND KNEW THE NAMES OF THESE GIRLS. BETTER YET...i wish i were the judge, or on the jury that sentences them. or a cop that arrests them. they need to be punished SEVERELY and their lives made HELL. not charged as juveniles or mentally unstable b/c we all know they weren't. THIS brings out the anger in people.....God help the family that moved to America. THIS IS NOT how true American people and families act. These are the type of actions from people who THINK they are what America is made of.
Get a grip people....you can't control someone else's life.
FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS A REACTION.
and for the idiot that read all of this and the story.....and you only commented on the ENGLISH someone spoke....you're an idiot. there is a much bigger picture here than someone's correct English. how cold hearted.
Posted 05/04/2010 at 11:00:12 AMFor anybody who has facebook, ''like'' my facebook page, 'In Phoebe Prince's name let's stop bullying!'
rest in peace beautiful .
Posted 05/16/2010 at 11:40:12 AMgone but NEVER forgotten.
You put up with so much shit from those girl and boys, you deserve a medal, and another chance at life.
IF I love God.. I love who he created.. He created this girl..
SO:
Who was she.. What was she like... What was she thinking about right before she died... ITs about feeling.. and " feeling " has been burned out of the American public..
Pathological are the parents names.. and Pathological is what they are creating.. Yet, no one feels they can do anything about present day America.. its as if the American identity has lost... it is now been tak'n over by the system... One cannot even protect the children in their families.. or the borders of this country... A dehumanizing horrible atrocity all the way around...
And their will be no answer for a nation in denial of its own criminal madness... Until that nation is willing to get honest.. This place has simply become a host to murderers...
Posted 05/17/2010 at 12:03:47 AMomg thats awful that makes me think back to my school and hwo maybe sometimes i say things abd about my friends nto meaning too and now i can see how bad and how it might effect them in ways i would never think of now i will try to be more causious of what i say to people and if i say somethign mean by mistake i will remeber to say 10 nice things to them so they feel better because 10 nice things make up for one bad thing
Posted 05/17/2010 at 08:20:42 PMThat's horrible what happened to her i am 15 and experiance a little bullying myself but I always thought it was a part of being a teen and to just tough it out, there were times where I wanted to kill myself but for what? so I can die and Nobody who i knew would start to care?? yeah right. But teen's are harsh and teacher do turn a blind eye and this is the consequence for it..
Posted 05/19/2010 at 01:48:04 PMIm writing a paper on cyber bullying and general bullying and reading this story made an impact on me. kids need to realize that bullying is horrible and this young girl took her life because of dirt bag girls harassing her . Im writing this paper about Phoebe and her story, her story should be told and be reminded to students. those girls should be held in jail..... they are just jealous of you phoebe you're a gorgeous girl and i'll never forget you're story
Posted 05/20/2010 at 12:40:42 PMwel im tellin yeah if i went tah that skuel && somewan called meh an irish whour i would dig da face off um >:( all yee whorbags that bullied phoebe im tellin if i ever come cross yee yee gon be wan sorry girls ..fuckin shitbags so yee are i would a danced on yere fuckin faces ...>:( jealousy iz a disease geh well soon bitches >:( ????? RIP phoebe :( xxx
Posted 05/21/2010 at 11:40:35 AMI hope all these fuckin rat bastards go to jail!! This is rediculous!! Fuckin teachers knew what was going on and they didn't even do anything??? what the fuck!! if my kid was being so tormented that they comminted suicide i would sue that school for every penny they have because they were to dumb and useless to do fuck all and i would beat the living fuck out of those kids... cut the guys dick off for raping her and than sue the kids for hurting my kid and than sue their parents!! fuck im angry!
To the family of Phoebe:
im so sorry! i cant imagine what your going through! I hope everything goes well with court and i hope all these kids who had hurt Phoebe get what they deserve so you can get justice for Phoebe and have some peace!
RIP Phoebe! Your beautiful and will always be rememeberd!!
Posted 05/24/2010 at 02:02:50 AMYou know, I would love to meet the parents of these girls so I could find out how they could raise such, vile, viciious, mean, heartless, peice-of-shit whores. NO ONE OF THIS EARTH diserves that type of bullying, that tipe of cruelty. What they did was vulgar and wrong. And the fact that they even made fun of her after she died makes me sick. If only the site had given the names of the bitches who had done this to Pheobe, so all of us could come together and bully them to death, exactly the way they did poor Pheobe. I don't even know them and they disgust me.
Posted 05/24/2010 at 09:42:06 PMI'm shocked and appalled that in the US these 'popular' elitist and from the looks of it callous and cruel groups exist. I'm so glad my kids get to grow up in New Zealand and not the shallow old United States. What are these kids being taught at home? How can their parents bring up children who victimise and emotionally torture other human beings? Why are these girls so 'popular' if they are such vile people? They should be the rejects of the school, disiked by the majority and shunned for their evilness. Without a decent personality how can they be 'popular'?
Posted 05/27/2010 at 12:05:26 AMAndiNZ, I am an American and I am appalled like any normal person is. These low lives do not represent America or humanity. They are a cancer and plague of humanity. The South Hadley 6 are making America look bad since Phoebe Prince, an Irish girl died. Trust me, we Americans reallt hate the South Hadley 6 as much as we hate Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Kim Jong-Il, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Charles Manson.
Posted 05/31/2010 at 04:44:43 PMHow could those bullies do shuch a thing?
Posted 06/07/2010 at 11:45:53 AMThey should be soooo ashamed of themselves they are
basically murderers!!!
the poor girl !!!!!!! just reading this makes me cry.
This is terrible.
I mean really do these girls really go out of there way to hurt someone...that is pathetic...Get a life!
You are in High School not second grade!
No wander why those boys aren't dating you.
I bet Phoebe Prince was a wonderful person and may she R.I.P
P.S.
Posted 06/07/2010 at 03:25:06 PMGrow up to you girls!
I don't even know you
but yet I really don't like you.
I'm disgusted in girls today! I'm ashamed to be a female because of the these girls that are like this! So worried that there not getting enough attention from they're daddy and mommy so they have to go to school and take it out on others! I don't have a wish for the girls that did this except I hope that they forgive themselves and let it haunt them... God will have the proper punishment in the end...
Posted 06/08/2010 at 10:26:30 AMR.I.P -Phoebe You are in a better place now...
"A person cannot be "hung", a person is "hanged"."
Posted 06/08/2010 at 11:06:38 PMPlease enter a semi colon where it needs to be:
A person cannot be "hung"; a person is "hanged".
Please speak English properly, Tom. :D
I'm very sorry for what happened to Phoebe Prince. Strangely, this stuff is still going on and nobody really cares. If Phoebe hadn't killed herself, she'd still be bullied. I've found that most people really don't care. This stuff is still going on and nobody wants to help. So many savages and subhuman being.
Posted 06/15/2010 at 09:51:20 PMIn 6th and 7th grade (2007-2009), i was bullied horribly, i was 11, then 12 at the time. i started drugs and cut myself. I convinced myself that i was a lesbian because i had no trust for any boy, since so many were ruining my life. My attempted suicide count rose to 6, and yet still nobody noticed or cared. Then i changed schools, and now a not bullied, and stop people who are. the scars are still there, on my body and my mind, they will never fade. please stop this crisis for the girls like phoebe and me.
Posted 06/17/2010 at 06:38:11 PMNina are you serious? You are correcting spelling? Get a life this isn't an English class......Tom some people don't realize how stupid they look to other people when they try so hard to make others look stupid.
Posted 06/18/2010 at 12:41:35 AMIn 19 years of law enforcement, it never fails to amaze me the level of depravity exhibited by some toward others. Ultimately, the lessons I've learned over the years have allowed me to raise two beautiful children amidst the bullying arena so prevalent in our schools today. These bullying girls, while part of the school 'elite', fail to see that which is so obviously staring them and other bullies in the face...they lack true confidence in themselves. I am so sorry for Phoebe's family and friends. They are in my prayers.
Posted 06/20/2010 at 01:02:23 PMppl dese daze i tell u da truth....i hope they rot in hell 4 dis shit
Posted 06/21/2010 at 05:03:00 PMOmg, this pisses me off. One time these girls followed me all over school taking my pictures. I didnt even know who they are. it happened all week long.Even at lunch. I went to the counsler and told him about it. He said he couldnt do anything about it. I cried my little ass off. But then one day i decide to bring my hold puncher to school. it was big but good size to fit in my person. ANd since they were all older than me and like 6 girls I walked up to me that i will beat the shit out of you if you dont stop they laugh so i showed them my hole puncher. I couldnt be suspened because it wasnt a weapon and i did report it. Another time this girl walked up to me and my boyfriend and called me ugly. But we both laughed cause she looks like stds. the end.
Posted 06/21/2010 at 07:39:53 PMFACT- All girls arent bullies and bitches in high school. I am 16 yrs old and i was voted the most humble girl in the whole school. Yes i am a very attractive girl but i dont go around spitting on other girls name. Its not really pretty girls who are the bullies its really ugly girls who are sluts to get attention. And when you have talent looks and a great personality the ugly ones feel the need to belittle you. I have been belittle so many times but it took me along time to realize why i was hated on. I was pretty inside out and i wasnt a "BITCH". So of course they wanted to bully me.But my dad always told me Honey your beautiful but i want you to be beautiful inside out.That way they will know there is some pretty girls who actually define the word beautiful. -Thank you
Posted 06/21/2010 at 07:59:22 PMTorell, beauty is in the eye's of the beholder. You are so in-love with yourself no wonder People(not ugly girls) are mean to you. Your comment says it all, you are not beautiful.
Posted 06/22/2010 at 02:52:33 AMThis is just terrible! I am going into my Sophomore year in high school and people are always being bullied, me included. One of my friends also committed suicide because she was being bullied over the clothes she wore. So the girls were jealous that she could wear a different style of clothes and still look good? What were they trying to prove? That they're jealous bitches? Yea, that's all everyone saw them as. And like I said, I've been bullied all through middle school and high school and so have a lot of other people but when parents come in and try to get the school to do something, they don't. But isn't it ironic that when the people being bullied try to stand up for themselves they get all the blame? We need to stop bullying in schools and cyber bullying, because some people just aren't strong enough to handle it. It's a shame... :/
Posted 06/23/2010 at 05:23:59 PMmy god, can you imagine if she had gone to the school? ever seen the movie or read the book carrie
Posted 06/23/2010 at 07:44:31 PM?!!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she would have burned it down and killed everyone in her school!
wow. i know how she feels. er. felt. i'm just going into high school, and most of my life i've been bullied and thought of suicide. luckily, my faith keeps me living....
Posted 06/29/2010 at 05:42:10 PMBullied Teen Attempts Suicide, Left Permanently Brain Damaged
by Kevin Caruso
Tom (his parents only want his first name used), is from Anchorage Alaska, and was an extremely intelligent and talented boy. He excelled in school, loved science, played the clarinet, was an expert rock climber, and obtained his pilot's license at age 14.
The future looked bright for this intellectually gifted, hard-working, strong, and tremendously talented boy.
But his life became very difficult when he entered middle school. Tom walked with a limp because of a physical problem that he had since birth. And he was also somewhat physically uncoordinated because of this condition. And because of these problems, Tom was incessantly bullied by several cowards at his middle school.
The cowardly bullies constantly physically and verbally abused him. He also was constantly shunned - which is another form of bullying. Students would not sit with him during lunch, and they would avoid him when walking down the hallway.
Sometimes they would knock his books out of his hands and laugh at him.
Tom was in the school band, and once some cowardly bullies took his clarinet and threw it in the garbage can.
The bullies constantly taunted him.
One day Tom entered the washroom, and some cowardly bullies followed him and kicked and punched him.
Tom was horrified and went to school administrators to tell them what happened, but Tom, unbelievably, was suspended along with the bullies.
When Tom returned to school, he was assaulted again in the washroom.
And Tom was suspended again, even though he was the victim of the assault.
Tom was now suffering from depression and was constantly afraid. And on November 6, 1998, as he was walking down the hallway, he was pushed to the ground by a cowardly bully.
Unbelievably, Tom was suspended yet again, even though he was the victim.
The next day, Tom hanged himself.
When his mother returned home, she found Tom and called 911. When paramedics arrived, Tom did not have a pulse, but after 15 minutes of CPR, his heart began working. But it was too late, Tom was left with permanent brain-damage.
Tom's parents sued the school district, and reached a settlement out of court.
And the attorney that represented Tom was so outraged by the bullying that he started an anti-bullying program in the area.
Tom cannot feed himself. He is fed by a special tube that inserts near his stomach. He cannot walk. He barely can move. He has constant muscle spasms, and sometimes his limbs flail uncontrollably. His mouth hangs open, and his eyes have a glazed, blank look to them.
The school failed Tom in every way. Tom asked for help, but instead was punished by the school administrators.
Tom's parents also told school administrators what was happening and asked for help, but received nothing.
The school, Central Middle School, in Anchorage, Alaska, is a disgrace.
It was inexcusable to allow this wonderful young man to be bullied incessantly, especially when he was reaching out for help. The incompetence and negligence on the part of school administrators does not get any worse than this.
It was as if they were actually trying to help the bullies kill Tom.
And these administrators should not be employed at any school. They are not only incompetent, they are dangerous.
It is no consolation for Tom's parents to receive a settlement from a lawsuit. They pursued civil action because it was the only thing that they could do. Nothing will reverse Tom's brain damage.
I am deeply sickened, disgusted, and outraged at everyone at this school that did nothing to help Tom.
All of you, who sat and did nothing, cannot even be called human beings.
Criminals is the appropriate word
Posted 06/30/2010 at 02:40:22 AMTom (his parents only want his first name used), is from Anchorage Alaska, and was an extremely intelligent and talented boy. He excelled in school, loved science, played the clarinet, was an expert rock climber, and obtained his pilot's license at age 14.
The future looked bright for this intellectually gifted, hard-working, strong, and tremendously talented boy.
But his life became very difficult when he entered middle school. Tom walked with a limp because of a physical problem that he had since birth. And he was also somewhat physically uncoordinated because of this condition. And because of these problems, Tom was incessantly bullied by several cowards at his middle school.
The cowardly bullies constantly physically and verbally abused him. He also was constantly shunned - which is another form of bullying. Students would not sit with him during lunch, and they would avoid him when walking down the hallway.
Sometimes they would knock his books out of his hands and laugh at him.
Tom was in the school band, and once some cowardly bullies took his clarinet and threw it in the garbage can.
The bullies constantly taunted him.
One day Tom entered the washroom, and some cowardly bullies followed him and kicked and punched him.
Tom was horrified and went to school administrators to tell them what happened, but Tom, unbelievably, was suspended along with the bullies.
When Tom returned to school, he was assaulted again in the washroom.
And Tom was suspended again, even though he was the victim of the assault.
Tom was now suffering from depression and was constantly afraid. And on November 6, 1998, as he was walking down the hallway, he was pushed to the ground by a cowardly bully.
Unbelievably, Tom was suspended yet again, even though he was the victim.
The next day, Tom hanged himself.
When his mother returned home, she found Tom and called 911. When paramedics arrived, Tom did not have a pulse, but after 15 minutes of CPR, his heart began working. But it was too late, Tom was left with permanent brain-damage.
Tom's parents sued the school district, and reached a settlement out of court.
And the attorney that represented Tom was so outraged by the bullying that he started an anti-bullying program in the area.
Tom cannot feed himself. He is fed by a special tube that inserts near his stomach. He cannot walk. He barely can move. He has constant muscle spasms, and sometimes his limbs flail uncontrollably. His mouth hangs open, and his eyes have a glazed, blank look to them.
The school failed Tom in every way. Tom asked for help, but instead was punished by the school administrators.
Tom's parents also told school administrators what was happening and asked for help, but received nothing.
The school, Central Middle School, in Anchorage, Alaska, is a disgrace.
It was inexcusable to allow this wonderful young man to be bullied incessantly, especially when he was reaching out for help. The incompetence and negligence on the part of school administrators does not get any worse than this.
It was as if they were actually trying to help the bullies kill Tom.
And these administrators should not be employed at any school. They are not only incompetent, they are dangerous.
It is no consolation for Tom's parents to receive a settlement from a lawsuit. They pursued civil action because it was the only thing that they could do. Nothing will reverse Tom's brain damage.
I am deeply sickened, disgusted, and outraged at everyone at this school that did nothing to help Tom.
All of you, who sat and did nothing, cannot even be called human beings.
Criminals is the appropriate word
Oh my god! No words can describe how I feel. Honestly it was almost the same thing with me in middle school. I didn't have physical problems though but I did have learning problems that made academics and socialization difficult. Also I had problems with my weight and dress. I talked to myself. I talked in a baby voice that somehow I made a habit. No matter how much I tried to be like the popular kids, I could never do it enough. I was just too fat, too stupid and too much of a baby for them. And I sought help just like every teacher and administrator told me to do but all they did was tell me to stop crying, just ignore the problem, don't answer them, stick up for yourself and don't let it bother you. The truth is it has to take a fight and getting suspended for anybody to do anything. And now it has to take suicide and attempted suicide to do anything. Nobody does anything about it and if they do, they either ignore the victim or they do something about it but then it starts up again a few days later. That is why we need to become part of the solution. I just don't know how to do it. I wrote a letter to the President but he has too many other important things to do so bullying isn't important to him. But maybe there is something I could do and if anybody has any ideas I'm open to them. Even on the internet bullying exists. And these come from not kids and teenagers but grown adults too. And the victim is always blamed and told he/she has to change their behavior. And the thing is the schools take quick and swift action on other things such as arrested a 12 year old for defacing the desk or handcuffing a boy for acting out but when it comes to bullying they do nothing. And it shouldn't have to be that way.
And you know what I suggest: That on January 14, 2011, that we all wear some kind of green item and declare Bullying Awareness Day. Why? January 14, 2010 was the day Phoebe Prince committed suicide as a result of the bullying she endured. Also she came from Ireland and the Irish do wear green a lot. We should all unite to do this. Any other suggestions are appreciated.
Posted 06/30/2010 at 12:39:19 PMI can't believ those girls won't stop doing it. I just read about it in 17 magazine and decided to look it up. They sure left alot out in the mag. I'm shocked that people can be that mean and have THAT little guilt. It's just wrong. What has the world come to?!
Posted 07/01/2010 at 08:58:30 PMI'm going into highschool this year and now i'm scared shitless. I don't want to have to experience this harassment!
Posted 07/01/2010 at 09:01:12 PMWhen will people realise, that cyber bullying, and verbal bullying is just as bad as, physical? I guess Pheobe's death was a wake up call. I wish I were there to be her friend, and tell her that everything was going to be okay. But sadly I will never ba able to do that now. Pheobe you are a inspiration to many, I know this might sound wierd, but you kept up on the race this long. I just wish you didn't quit in the first place. I feel so sorry for the girls , that did this to you. Not in a way as in pity, but I feel sad to know that there are girls this vile. And to know that things like this happen everyday. I have always been one of those popular girls, but not the kind that would ever dream of doing something like this. And I have friends just like you, and I love them. I love you. May you rest in Peace ~ Pheobe
Posted 07/15/2010 at 01:50:51 AMThese girls deserved to be punished! All their paren'ts are going to say is " well at least my daughter didn't hang her". God how have these parent's raised their children? What is wrong with them? And I highly doubt, that these girls feel any sence of remorse. And to still have the dance after the deaht of this lovly girl? What the hell is wqorng with society? They should get those girls in a room, and ask them exactly what they did, I know they would lie. God I hate them , they are going to hell
Posted 07/15/2010 at 01:58:35 AM@ Joydaze, who are you to call that lady a pussy. I guess you have never been bullied, or perhaps were one of those "charming" persons who bullied at high school. As a bully victim myself I know what scars it can leave, even after many years. The fact that I did not commit suicide, had nothing to do with me, but with the fact my parents prevented me for doing so. When you are being bullied for many years, and no one helps you, you can get tired of it. Please blame those over the top, spoiled brats who have her made to take this move.
Posted 07/15/2010 at 10:02:08 AM@joydaze said:
Ok this story is ridiculous. I can relate to this behavior being tormented in high school, but you don't buckle under the pressure and take your own life that's pretty insane when there are people living in third world countries or surviving natural disasters who learn to cope.
From a clinical standpoint it wouldn't surprise me if this girl had prior emotional and psychological problems...
Posted 01/27/2010 at 08:47:12 PM
>>> How can you make a statement such as this? As living in this area, actually knowing the family of one of the "9", and going thru similar issues with my granddaughter this past school year (she's now 12 was 11), you don't seem to know all the facts. This child wasn't the issue here. her death as a direct result to the fact of her verbal abuse, cyber abuse and stalking cause the end results. You have a twisted sense of direction for blaming Phoebe for what she felt was her only option. Give it a freaking break. Whenever a child kills themself (many have as we know just since Jan 2010) over their abuse in the schools it is NOT their fault. Grow up and smell the coffee (or pot!) No one is claiming there isn't other major problems in the world. But that doesn't make these poor kids who are killing themself as garbage to throw away and not think of them as a human who was Bullied.
You got a lot of nerve. Try reading the facts of the case and the charges that were brought against these punks. Sorry a child's life isn't exciting or news worthy in your little confined mind.
Posted 07/15/2010 at 10:36:57 AMOMG thes horrorable she soo pretty why would people do that :'(
Posted 07/18/2010 at 12:17:09 AMthe parents should have been sterilized, our world is overpopulating, no need to keep this trash, we should force these 9s to commit suicide, and if doesn't work, just pushing them in the stairs would be enough. Paying taxes to offer school to pigs............
Posted 07/22/2010 at 02:59:03 AMthose catty shaddy pecies of garbige!! (excuse my spelling) omg i can't believe this! i have bullying problems myself and school officals have done nothing about it. that is aweful what happened to phobie. i hope that they get everything they deserive on earth and heaven. this is utterly inexcusible. *sigh* may her soul rest in peice in whatever entity she believes in.
Posted 07/22/2010 at 01:10:41 PMI cant believe these girls hav not been expelled yet... i have been bullied and have seen things like these happen 1st hand. i was the one to tell a staff member and u no what she said " there is nothing i can do" well there is a hell of a lot u can do!!! i was bullied for 6 years and i told many a teacher and talked to the people and than it just continued...
Posted 07/22/2010 at 01:24:18 PM@ digusted and embaressed, Not sure if you read everything. this happened in January 2010. All of the 9 were expelled by the 1st week of April
There is nothing being listed on the 3 younger one, due to their ages. The older ones are F***ed! No graduations, no dipolmas nothing. Also, the law in MA is if you get expelled for "non Violent" actions, you can go to a different town and go to school. After the DA came out with the charges, the 6 were still in schools across our area. They were immediately removed. The state board of Schools has now ruled, not one of the 6 can return to any school in MA. They can not take the GED test in MA. A bit harsh? I dont think so. Pheobe doesn't get to go to school does she? Why should these POS? the 3 younger ones i'm not sure of as there has been knowing about them except the minor charges they have.
Posted 07/22/2010 at 01:41:36 PMJust had an update come out yesterday's paper: "Due to recent information coming out regarding Pheobe Prince the DA says her charges will stand".
The information that has recently been all over the local papers/news: Phoebe attempted suicide 1 time in Ireland and was put into a "private school" (mental hospital) for it. She had major emotional problems in advance of moving to South Hadley. The reason for the move here was to get her out of the elements she was in over there. She has a minor police record in Ireland, which as been sealed due to her age (13) at the time. (don't know what's in the records, sorry) She was an emotional "cutter" and her body is (was) all scarred form it. When she became involved with these 2 boys, it was hope for her. But it wasn't to be. In Sept or oct, Phoebe attemtped suicide again over these boys (not sure what about). She was drinking excessively in Ireland and here. Also, She was over heard telling someone the day she died, "I have scars all over my body and in my mind. What else do i have to prove to them?" People are guessing that these girls found out phoebe was a cutter. And believe that was part of the bullying. it also came out that there was a suicide note. But due to the charges, they won't release it. The families are going to use Phoebe's emotional problems as a defence against the charges. And the belief is: The rapes charges will go away or be downgraded. And also that no one will see jail time.
Just thought everyone would like to have this up date. As the paper this came from is not online, i couldn't cut and paste the article. Besides it took up 3 full pages (they went into the entire backgroung with details of everything including all the charges and against whom.
Posted 07/22/2010 at 01:46:53 PMI hope those girls go to jail or get the electric chair so they know how that girl felt.
Posted 07/23/2010 at 10:04:06 AMWhat gets my dander up is the fact that Principal Smith and Superintendent Sayer still have their jobs!! They both should be terminated,and lose their pensions,as well as all other benifits they have coming to them!!The Prince family should "Soak The District",with a big fat lawsuit!!
All of those kids should get prison time!! Especially the one who threw the Red Bull can from the moving vehicle,on the day Pheobe comitted suicide!!Imagine when their names are called by a guard or supervisor:"Longe,Mullins,Narey and Velasquez!!Shithouse detail again!!" Having to scrub toilets on what is supposed to be the day of getting ready for "Prom Night"!!That is only the beginning of their punishments,so think of all the future consequences they all will face!! Not being granted admission to any community college,university,or tech school,because of their behavior!!Not to mention,no employer will touch them,not even "Mickey D's",or "Taco Smell",and forget "Wal Fart"!!
As part of their probation,they should have to go to all of the elementry,middle,high schools,not to mention the colleges and universities in the area,to lecture students on the dangers and consequences of bullying!!When one of them says:"Do you want to know how I spent my "Prom Night"..."SCRUBBING TOILETS"!!Maybe that will be one of my detterents to this type of behavior!!All of them deserve whatever "Bad Karma" is coming to them!!
Posted 07/23/2010 at 05:36:32 PMI can't believe that we live in a society still where such petty things like this still occur. We've got so much to deal with in our country, and I guess those girls who harrassed her did even stop to think about the bigger picture. Why the hell would you do this to a girl, someone who had just moved into the country shortly, and not even think 1 second about it? You deserve so much more than whatever punishment they've given you. I mean, to push a girl so hard that she doesn't even want to live anymore? How does that make you feel???? Imagine yourself, not wanting the very life that is so precious that you have only but one. But whatever the hell you wanted, you sure got it. Just to let you know, millions hate you and your evil deed. I hope you girls really repent, or for sure you will be burning in hell. God this makes me so angry. Phoebe, I'm sure everyone, at some point in their life had felt a little piece of what you've been through. You didn't deserve any of this, and I'm sure you felt like shit day in and day out. You tried your best to cope, and I know that you felt there was no way out. I'd wish you would have just screamed till someone listened to you AND did something to make it go away-permanently. I'm sorry for that the one life God gave you had to be so hard May you rest in peace hon because you sure deserve the best.
Posted 07/29/2010 at 04:03:13 PMI can't believe that we live in a society still where such petty things like this still occur. We've got so much to deal with in our country, and I guess those girls who harrassed her did even stop to think about the bigger picture. Why the hell would you do this to a girl, someone who had just moved into the country shortly, and not even think 1 second about it? You deserve so much more than whatever punishment they've given you. I mean, to push a girl so hard that she doesn't even want to live anymore? How does that make you feel???? Imagine yourself, not wanting the very life that is so precious that you have only but one. But whatever the hell you wanted, you sure got it. Just to let you know, millions hate you and your evil deed. I hope you girls really repent, or for sure you will be burning in hell. God this makes me so angry. Phoebe, I'm sure everyone, at some point in their life had felt a little piece of what you've been through. You didn't deserve any of this, and I'm sure you felt like shit day in and day out. You tried your best to cope, and I know that you felt there was no way out. I'd wish you would have just screamed till someone listened to you AND did something to make it go away-permanently. I'm sorry for that the one life God gave you had to be so hard May you rest in peace hon because you sure deserve the best.
Posted 07/29/2010 at 04:03:39 PMThose girls are fucking bullys. They called her a hoe and whore? Wow I hope this keeps people from cyber-bulling or just regular bulling. Im always on this website then this gir started cyber-bulling i posted this story on there. I just posted it and i dont have any replys. But i bet i will have a few. Those 3 girls will burn in hell.This was a sweet girl they harrased to death. I hope Phoebe Prince watched them burn in hell. But shes so sweet that she couldent possibly do a thing. Yes ive been cyber-bullied and no its not fun.Rest in peace. You are a beautiful angel who remain in everyones hearts forever. I hope those girl realise what they did. I mean who do they think they are? Dear Phoebe, If your reading this, i know what youve been threw. Rest in peace, those girls are no good, your better then them.They will regret what they did,When they grow and mature, im sure they will go to your grave, and apologise. If i wouldof done what you did. I would never forgive them, but your so nice that i bet you will. RIP
Posted 07/30/2010 at 02:38:41 AMwoah this girl is GOREGOUS!!! shame on those girls that bullied her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! those girls think there so cool to bully her??? well i dont curse so ill just say there FREAKS!!!! RIP PHOEBE PRINCE :)
Posted 08/04/2010 at 10:31:56 PMI'm a fifteen year old girl, too. I could probably say I'm one of the bullies at my school. One of the popular girls. I'm not the tall, skinny, sporty one. I'm the short, somewhat chubby one. The 'cute' smart girl who everyone adores. Yes, I pick on people. I know it's wrong, and I know I should stop. After reading this, I can't say it's changed my view. I know all about the horrible things that happen because of what I've done. But this article made me cry. I often wondered why I am the way I am. I guess it's not my parents. My parents are amazing. They don't spoil me, and they taught me right from wrong. It's just me. Nobody influences my decisions. I know that isn't the case with all nine of my friends. My clique. But for me, I have no excuse.
Posted 08/04/2010 at 11:27:40 PMI'm a bitch.
And I'm going to change next year. That much I swear. I've been changing for years now, and so far my efforts have been successful. I have more friends than I used to, and I'm slowly rebuilding myself. And I'm sorry, Phoebe. I feel like its my fault, because I could be the reason for another girl like you to die.
I'm so sorry.
Wow, highschool sure can be a bitch.
Posted 08/05/2010 at 06:49:29 PMCarley, Don't be such a BS artist. It takes nothing to change except will. You are a human being and you have freewill...first day of school, go up to the nerdiest, most picked on person and take their hand and make them eat lunch with you. Anyone picks on you, that is your penance for pickingon other kids. If you don't do this, do something that costs you then your soul is more dead than phoebe
Posted 08/09/2010 at 12:54:28 AMI think that is really ridiculous that educators can turn a blind eye on bullying! I don't know about others but I became an educator to help children, to teach them from right to wrong and the list goes on. The fact that the school witnessed this poor girl being bullied.....
Obviously something needs to be done at this school, those teachers need to go back to school and realize why you became a teacher to begin with.
Fore the whole school and start all over.
RIP:Phoebe
Posted 08/13/2010 at 06:41:19 PMI just hope that in her death we have all learned something. Especially the parents of those rude, inconsiderate bitch ass kids.
Hopefully they get tried to the full extent of the law. :D we can only hope!!!!!!!!!
im 23 never been bullied n never bullied any1. i dont know what its like to be bullied but my little brother does... hes only 11. this makes me terrified for him. makes me wanna start a program or camp or safe place(anything caring, loving, or safe) for children who go thru things like this to help them realize the bullies are wastes of life and the victims are loved much more than they thought or believe. god please save these children from true pain. please.
Posted 08/14/2010 at 04:34:46 AMI truely cannot believe what I have just read!!! Firstly... Phoebe I think you ARE such a beautiful girl, and the only reason why those nasty bitches did what they did was because they were clearly jealous and intimitated by you!
I really do wish you had rather spoken to your sisters or somebody beacause your life is worth all of theirs put together! (Myabe something could have been done about it!)
Karma always comes around and althought you are not with us, you have definately touched the lives of many!
I really do hope that the school and Teachers take bulling seriously because this world and the generations are getting nastier and uglier every year! (Teachers... It IS your responsibility!!!!)
I wish you all the best up there, I hope you get your wings soon, dont be a stranger!
To the family, my heart goes out to you!!! My deepest condolences! xx
Posted 08/14/2010 at 07:19:19 AMThose girls are not "like some vicious little caricatures of evil from a Lifetime movie". They ARE vicious. Worse yet,they ARE evil. I pray their souls can be saved.
Posted 08/14/2010 at 09:39:15 AMThose of you who describe suicide as being a 'weak or selfish' act have never,thankfully, been so utterly overwhelmed by the torment of bullying, to enable you to understand that it is neither.This,in itself,shows a marked lack of empathy.
How ironic: the very same quality which bullies lack.
The norm is that even if we haven't actually experienced the same scenario, we can at least show sympathy for the victim and their family.
Posted 08/14/2010 at 03:01:06 PMoh. I feel sorry for Phoebe...
Posted 08/14/2010 at 05:35:12 PMI hope that the one who bullied her
aren't partying or celebrating because she already died....
They should feel very very ashamed of their selves....
That girls should recieve some punishments....
And I hope that Phoebe will hunt them 4ever....
Its sad that this happened. But honestly its no surprise. Kids nowadays have no discipline whatsoever. If you even so what as slap your son or daughter across the wrist your considered an abusive parent. So kids say all kinds of horrible stuff without the worry of punishment from their parents or the school department. A suspension is a big joke really. The girl should have told her parents or school department about this and had these kids attend some kind of therapy service or spend a night in jail cause that's just wrong that happened.
Posted 08/14/2010 at 09:02:38 PMThis is what happens and hopefully will make new laws once the internet started I knew things would be different cause everyone thinks they can say whatever they want online so now they will have to make laws for the internet and cyber bullying sad to say kids now a days are not as respectful as they use to be but I knew this would happen because once the government got involved with how you raise your kids this is what happens they do not want us to spank our kids well if these girls parents did then they would not have been such bratty kids the prove is there ask anyone that is over 35 and they will tell you they would not disrespect their parents the way kids do now cause my parents back then they would have spanked your butt good if you did
Posted 08/15/2010 at 05:05:33 AMLittle Immature American Bitches! Need to grow the hell up and stop being jealous cause they are so use to having all the attention from guys, im 16 and done alot of stupid things but even i know better then that! They deserve to be in jail for a month! A life, a KID is now dead because of these girls and/or boys. There is kids going away for stealing, a girl is dead and all they get is some time off school? Rewarding them more like it! They should be kicked out of school! They knew what they were doing, knew what they were saying, after what they just did they dont even deserve school. Pfft and these are the young adults of today... More like young murderers of today. They should be treated like adults, thrown in jail. I dont want to live in a world or go to school with people like this.
Posted 08/15/2010 at 10:01:48 PMyif these girls were to bulli me in school i would have beat thee crap out of them. In fact i would of beaten them so hard that they would not remember there names. I cant seem to understand why anyone would do this to a fellow person. These monsters must be psychopaths or sociopaths, to feel no remorse about what they did. The only nice thing i can say is MAY JESUS FORGIVE THEM for taking a persons life for no apparent reason.The parents should just be slapped on the face very very well because they obviously are dummies because i am sure that Emma told at least one parent and her parent must of said "It will probably blow off soon". Also im not sure if its real but a facebook wall said that the dad saw what they were saying about his daughter. If i were the dad of emma ill just slap myself for being a complete idiot. And the mean girls and there parents should be put in jail (were they get beaten on a regular basis) for at least 89 years. I think i have a better method of finding the girls that did this to Emma. number 1. find girls that you think bullied Emma
Posted 08/16/2010 at 12:57:08 AM2. set a table and strap them to chairs and put there hands on the table
3. ask the girls "Which girls bullied Emma" and if they dont comply smash there fingers with a hammer.
4. i am positive you will get the answer (and if you run out of room use the toes) im done
Those slutty bitches deserve to be more than what the girl went through. If I were at her situation I wouldn't hung myself ill slit their throats for them to feel and suffer.
I hope I wouldn't meet them at streets coz I will surely cut their throat wide open.
Stupid bitches!!
Posted 08/16/2010 at 02:49:47 AMIt's not necessarily the parents. Think a minute, how would you react if you lived, ate and breathed in a prison for eight hours or more a day. When you saw your so-called 'friends' - as ignorant and as scared as you - more than you saw your parents or siblings.
Yes, I'm talking about SCHOOL. If you don't think that incarcerating children in an institution all day for most of their young lives can warp young people then go read John Taylor Gatto's books, any of them. I can recommend 'Weapons of Mass Instruction' for your learning experience. Read it and weep.
Posted 08/16/2010 at 05:57:37 AMI leave the door open for my children to express and tell me anything and i have their back,if they are having a problem in school or in our neighborhood they will surely let me know,at school and if the problem dont get handled with who ever in charge than i will take it to the next level,im not the type of parent that will wait for something tragic to happen,on the flip side im into their activities(their bizzness) yes if i saw that they bullied someone it would be a price to pay(for them)treat ppl the way you want to be treated you dont know what type of day another person is having,if phoebe had of flipped out and started shooting or even threw the can back and killed one of them then what.....?Our moto from the old school "dont start no shit it wont be no shit"
Posted 08/17/2010 at 09:11:10 AMThis is very sad. Not only did a girl kill herself but she killed herself cuz she was driven to it by other girls. But reading all the othe comments I notice alot of you say that theses girls should be burned at the stake or something. But if you think about it, if these girls have been bullying kids for a wile there really isn't much hope of changeing them, and what would killing them do? All that would cuase is more death, and they still wouldn't have learned there leason! There really isn't much you can do for these girls. All you can do is pray that they see what wrong they've done and change they're ways.
Posted 08/17/2010 at 11:01:09 AM@ livnluv : Who's Emma? You are referring to a Emma in your comment. Do you mean Phoebe or are you confused as to what post to be on?
I heard from someone in work, who is close to Kayla Narey's family, that these kids are going to be homed school this year. And the ones who are seniors are able to go and sit for a GED not a regalur dipolma.
The whole area is gearing up for the court cases come Sept. Not sure yet when that will be taking place as a few are going to be tried in Juvey so they may not report on those. And i haven't heard anything further on the others.
But the talk around here is that the rape charges will be dismissed as there is no proof of an actual rape. And also the rumors are that they all will be given probation slap on the wrist and have to pay restitution. I haven't heard anything regarding jail time. But i believe this is 1st offense for most if not all (except the one guy who got arrested for underage drinking and driving a few months ago)
Oh well, we shall see.
Posted 08/17/2010 at 11:21:02 AMWell tom its actually hung because its in the past tense hanged it not correct please speak english correct ;)
Posted 08/17/2010 at 05:40:12 PMDeborah Jean, you are still a fucking bully, and I like to beat the hell out of bullies. Let's meet up some where. you are so full of bullshit. I was molested myself by my mother's boyfriend and I didn't bully but I did beat the hell out of a bully at school . That is the only way to deal with people like you . Schools don't listen. The police don't listen. No the only way to deal with idiots like you , idiots that stay with me that beat the hell out of them deserve to get the hell beat out of them. Give me your e-mail address. We'll settle this thing. That girl did not deserve to be bullied, and you can bet your bully ass that they WILL GET THEIR JUST REWARDS. If the law won't do it, then Americans against bullies WILL !!!
Posted 08/18/2010 at 12:01:25 AMYeah, the best way to deal with bullies, is get them off to themselves. And take a damned baseball bat to their G.D heads. You have to fight fire with fire. I have read your comments until they make me sick. You are blaming every one but the bullies. That's Ok, you and those bullies , WILL GET YOUR JUST DUES. Maybe your next boyfriend , when he gets out of prison will beat the hell out of you and do us all a favor. Jesus, why didn't your mother get an abortion ?
The more I read about this girl getting bullied right to the day she ended her life , pisses me off ! Thank God my children didn't attend a school like that . I would not have let it go on and on. I would have taken matters into my own hands. Talking to bullies does no good. But scaring the crap out of them does. It worked when I was a kid, and it still works. Thank goodness I didn't have to grow up in times with cell phones and computers. We handled it better ways like waiting for them to walk home from school and putting the fear of God in them. I don't give a rat's ass what your home life if like, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BULLYING ANYONE.
Posted 08/18/2010 at 12:34:08 AMI am going to have to get off of this site, the more I read a certain person's stupid comments, I would like TURN THE TABLES ON HER. I think the best thing to do is for me to calm my Irish temper down, and just give it to a higher power that can do more damage than what I can. There is pay day coming. God took my bully out of here a few years ago.
Keeping those brats at home and home schooling them is not going to teach them anything people. They are going to be shunned for life. They can't stay at home forever. They might as well face the music. I sure hope that when they go to get jobs, their future employers don't know about them being murderers. Yep , it's going to be a long , miserable life for them.
Posted 08/18/2010 at 01:34:40 AMAngry grandma, thank you for keeping us posted. The parents won't be able to keep those brats hid for long. The time will come when they have to go out into the world and they won't have their slutty mothers to protect them anymore. And then , they will get to meet up with some of my kind. Bully haters. Then comes their ass whippings. Boy I can't wait.
Posted 08/18/2010 at 08:11:33 AMwELL, everyone, surprise! None of these creeps are in Hiding. And none of them are on inhouse detention either. They all plead and are out on bail. Courts are suppose to start up for them sometime in Sept. As the court stuff hits the papers, i will update everyone as i get it (unless Pete would rather gather the info from our local paper!)
I heard yesterday that Kayla Narey was actually in our offices yesterday with her mother. I believe they were here regarding her fathers retirement papers or something (i sit way in the back, so i didn't see her) Kayla's father worked here for years until he died suddenly 3 yrs ago from stomack cancer. this was before i started, so i never met him.
But my source in the front office said, that Kayla didn't seem any different. She said she was surprised there was no signs of remorse or anything. But she said no one questioned Kayla neither.
I guess they were saying (up front) that none of the kids are in hiding. They are just keeping low profiles because of the upcoming cases. My source also said that she heard that the judge issued a gag order to all involved about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Nothing is to be said to any press or news.
So i will keep all informed
Posted 08/18/2010 at 09:34:48 AMI agree with everyone else. Suspension is just a vacation, expulsion or two hour detention for the rest of the school year, banning from ALL extracurricular activities for the remainder of there schooling (thats right no more sports ever), community service, and banning from all dances and school supported events. That would be a good start anyway.
I've been bullied before, not only by classmates but by a teacher too. it hurts and makes you hard, not strong, it doesn't toughen them up. bullying kills most of your emotional guards so the more your bullied the more raw and frail your emotions become. once you've reached that stage of depression anything and everything hurts you. being told "wow, you really look fat in those pants" would have the same effect as getting hit in the gut by a baseball bat, you can't breath, your eyes sting as if you have pins pricking them, you want to puke but your through feels so tight that you can't. you literally feel like your dying and there's nothing you can do to escape the pain.... It really sucks. and because its only verbal assault most kids receive there is literally no proof of what happened. so at most the only thing done is the offenders are brought into the office asked if they said what ever they're accused of, they say no, the principal says well if you did say that don't do it again because there "will be consequences" the kids step out the door another bullying continues twice as had as before. there has to be real consequences the first time it brought to the teachers attention or else more kids will kill themselves or others. The first time kids bring the harassing to the teachers or principals attention is when the kid is just about to hit rock bottom, it the kids last desperate cry for help and so often its ignored...
wow... I'm 22 and just thinking about the one time I asked a teacher for help still hurts. I told her what had been going on with me being bullied I asked her to tell the other kids to just leave me alone... she had said, "don't be such a tattle tail, grow up and get over it."
Posted 08/21/2010 at 04:13:17 PMI guess I never did, instead I was held back in first grade for refusing to speak even though I had a A grade average I was held back only to find that there were bullies in that class too. that's when I got to be known as a loner it wasn't until second grade when I came up with the plan to befriend any and all new kids that entered into my grade before anyone else could turn them into jerks and it worked. I gained a two new friends by the end of the year and another one tenet year. the other kids caught onto my plan and I wasn't able to snag any more friends for a couple years by the time I got to high school the jerks were worse then ever but I had my three girl support group that truly saved my life.
ok girls at south hadley you girls are a bunch of bitches!!!!!
Posted 08/21/2010 at 10:43:26 PMOk, boys and girls, now that you picked on a poor innocent girl and took the one thing that a mother hates to see lost in her life (their own children). You just wait till you meet the rest of the world. We are not as easily to be picked on and most likely you will find yourselves sadly all alone in this world and no one wants to deal with losers like you so good luck trying to find a real job and a real love cause deep down inside you're just a bunch of sad, pathetic losers. And you just took out one more shining star that would have made this world a little brighter. But you were just to jealous deep down thats all it was and you wished so badly to be like her.
Posted 08/23/2010 at 01:46:45 PMThis will haunt you for years to come when you are in your late 20's, 30's and 40's and if it doesn't haunt you then you've just became apart of the stupid people of the world (congrats to you then)that wander around aimlessly looking for love and wondering what is missing in your life and your going to look back and maybe the small synapse that may still work in that brain of yours may put two and two together and realize that you did something horrifyingly wrong. So good luck trying to live out the rest of your lives, cause now you're hated by everyone including your sad self. Oh and if you have kids someday(and that is if anybody will have you,LMAO)you best hold your breath when Karma comes with it's arms open for revenge. That it passes over your children (most likely it won't). Karma is a bitch and she takes no prisoners.
If I was Phoebe, I'd punch those little bitches in the face and break their little fake noses. Oh, and I'd also pull their hairsprayed blonde hair off their empty heads. And if that's not enough... I'd simply break all of their cute pink 'hello kitty' nails ;pp
Posted 08/24/2010 at 05:51:11 AMits crazy how all you people are on here worried about how they spelled or worded things wrong this is a true story not a flippin book!!!!! ANYWAYS!! i feel horrible for her family and i pray for for the people who did this to her bc they obviously need some help i hope they get it! And most of all i pray for the the prince family i cant imagine how this would feel im so sorry people dont know how to raise there kids to be respectful and caring any more! so sad! RIP PHOEBE PRINCE
Posted 08/26/2010 at 11:07:05 AMPhoebe played a different role at the school called Villers called she went to in Ireland than the one she played at South Hadley High. The mother of one of Phoebe's classmates shares the sentiment that Villiers did not do enough to help Phoebe. Her story goes back to Phoebe's seventh-grade year, when her daughter, Gwen, was first a friend of Phoebe's and then a target of bullying by a group that included Phoebe. Gwen and her mother said, Phoebe was part of a group of former friends who turned on Gwen, ostracizing and bullying her over the course of a painful spring. The other Villiers mother I spoke to about Phoebe's departure from the school corroborated their account.
Phoebe and Gwen were friends during their first semester of school together. Over a school holiday, Gwen's mother took both girls on a hiking holiday. But in the spring, the relationship between Phoebe and Gwen soured. They clashed over a boy; Gwen went out with him briefly, she says, and Phoebe got angry. About four other girls joined in and made Gwen miserable between about March 2008 and the end of school in June. "I'd come to school and they'd all be there, making up horrid songs about me, going around singing them to everyone. It just never stopped," Gwen remembers. "They all kind of like followed each other. One time, we were in English class and we had to write an essay. Phoebe wrote about a girl and called her a slut who stole her boyfriend. She said in front of the whole class that it was me. I hadn't even kissed a boy yet."
Printouts Gwen's mother sent to me show nasty messages mocking her daughter on the Bebo site. The messages are between Heather and an account called "Sex On The Beach ," which has a picture of Phoebe. The posts that upset Gwen and her mother are an example of exactly that. One post from Sex On The Beach reads
haha GUESS WHAT [GWEN] PAKITHINGY BLOCKED ME ON BEBO!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HOW FUNI IS DAT!!!
The Bebo pages also include the following exchange:
Sex On The Beach: and our uniform is sxual just not on [insulting play on Gwen's real name]!!! hahaha bt I rather she wear it to cover up da flab lyk oooooooooooh I hate her !!
Heather: haha ewww—why are we talking about her on my bebo that's ick!!!!!!! gawd ye wud all hate her all de lads dat commented on dis!!!!
Sex On The Beach: ew ew ew ew yah you wud hate her the paki whore!!!!!!!!!
"I'm split. I think they get a freedom on the Internet that being so young they sometimes abuse." Still, Phoebe's use of "paki whore" (Gwen's father is from Pakistan) is striking because it's essentially the same insult that would be hurled at her by some of the six South Hadley teenagers indicted in connection with her death—they called Phoebe an "Irish whore." For those kids, the slur is a basis for the criminal charge that they violated Phoebe's civil rights—a charge with a maximum 10-year prison sentence.
Gwen's mother was upset by the exchange on Bebo, but it didn't change her belief that Phoebe was a good kid. "I don't think Phoebe was racist," she says. "She was a really lovely girl who made the same mistakes a lot of kids do. It's that mob mentality—they do something horrid to another girl because they can." Jeremy Prince says, "One thing Phoebe would never be accused of is being racist." Mr. Prince claims that he is aware of the pressure that young people sometimes feel to go along with bullying others, and he does not want these charges to ruin the rest of their lives. "An apology would go a long way," Mr. Prince says. "If they confessed to the court and said they were sorry, I'd appeal to the court for total leniency."
The combination of Phoebe's treatment of Gwen and her problems in South Hadley appear to put her in a group of kids who are both bullies and victims. According to a 2005 study from the Netherlands, about half of bullies actually fall into this category. "The findings suggest that bully/victims demonstrate high levels of both aggression and depression," the authors write. Sameer Hinduja and Justin Patchin, directors of the Cyberbullying Research Center and authors of Bullying Beyond the Schoolyard, report similar findings from their 2007 survey of cyberbullying among about 2,000 middle schoolers. Again, about half the kids who self-identified as bullies said they were also victims.
To Alan E. Kazdin, a Yale professor of psychology and child psychiatry, Phoebe's involvement on both sides of the bully/victim divide is an example of "the complexity of human behavior. Some bullies are picked on and some victims are not only victims." Kazdin says bully/victims may display both aggression and anxiety or withdrawal. Most kids with disorders, or just problems, tend to exhibit either one or the other type of behavior. But there's a third group who exhibit both. "They have anxiety but they're also lashing out," Kazdin says.
For Gwen's mother, the grief is mixed with a sense of missed opportunity. "I utterly empathize with Phoebe's parents," she says. "My whole reason for saying what I've said is not to come down on Phoebe. The point is that Phoebe needed support, and the people who were there at Villiers to give it to her didn't do that.
Was Phoebe Prince Once a Bully? Artical here http://www.slate.com/id/2263470
Posted 08/28/2010 at 12:20:11 PMI know these dogs and I know someone thats going to put a bullet to there head!!! fucking bullies!!!
Posted 08/28/2010 at 09:33:15 PMLimerick school principal responds to allegations that tragic Phoebe Prince bullied girl
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Limerick-school-principal-responds-to.6484859.jp
Her own school master says she was not a bully.
Posted 08/29/2010 at 04:05:30 PMi feel sorry 4 her..but in da same tym she''s soooooo stupid 2 suicide :P
Posted 08/30/2010 at 03:14:20 PM@ k34: Are you the 'reporter' that took it upon yourself to be the 'spokesperson' for the Prince Family? I am seeing some items in your writing that makes me think so.
I thought that that person was told to stop? If you are, you really should stop. You are doing nothing by dragging further stuff up. Phoebe wasn't an angel. And had some problems before coming to South hadley. But no matter what she did or didn't do in ireland, is no reason for her to kill herself because of these kids.
Could it also be: She knew what she did there and then to have to endure the same against her here maybe the guilt got to her? And she couldn't fix what see did so figured that she would end it out of guilt? That's what you are supposing.
No matter what is forged up. Good or bad about Phoebe, you need to keep your 'article' information to yourself. If you are who i think you are, you already upset the family and the school and the DA. And i thought you knew there was a gag order about releasing information? Please crawl back under your rock. These kids (not the 9) are starting a new school year. You don't think every student in South Hadley High is not thinking about Phoebe and what happened? Small towns seem to run this way. And you are doing nothing but causing more grief to an already grief stricken school.
Posted 08/30/2010 at 03:49:46 PM@USS Yorktown actually what the Villiers headmaster says is: "We don't speak ill of the dead and I just feel it is a situation where the school is in an invidious position. Yes, we know this young lady, our hearts and sympathies are with her parents at this difficult time. "It is a media circus and really for me to comment on it would be unfair,"
"Phoebe was a lovely young kid who was with us for a year and I have nothing negative to say about her. She moved on with her life and she moved to the States and what happened to her is a complete tragedy and everybody lost out - parents, family, schools. We have lots of nice memories of her."
Never did he deny that Phoebe was once a bully.
Posted 08/30/2010 at 04:56:58 PM