Shoplifter Dorina Williams Dies During Fight with Walmart Security; Family Says She was Choked

• I disagree.America was built on thieves.If you want to start blaming people for stealing start with,self.LAWYER HELMS

• yur takin up space by writin dt comment byee kill ya self

• okay as i sit nd read all of yuh ppl commets i think dey dnt even kno her... how are yuh judgein her..yeah she had 8 kis bhut yuh dny kno her store yuh dnt kno what she had togo through ... its not like yuh actually kno her.. how can yuh judge someone yuh dnt kno? where yuh der? some of yuh are sick ndd need to get a life YES I KNO Dorina Williams nd NO she not a bad person nd what she went threw was not right so fuck all of yuh guys that that wanna put yu two cent n something yuh jus a wast of space nd life..

• To Crystal above, I'd like to point out the fact that SHE DID HAVE A CHOICE about stealing. She couldve maybe gotten a JOB or could have made better choices and NOT HAD 8 EFFIN KIDS. Even further she should've chosen their multiple fathers better than she did. Fact is this lady is dead and it isnt walmarts fault. Noone choked her she was obese and anxious because the dumb ass knew she was caught and was going back to jail and had an asthma attack. Noone gives a shit about her, she was a waste of life.

• Look at our society, we actually think people deserve to die for various petty reasons. We are conditioned to become so angry and hostile towards eachother to commit crimes like murder which we get detained for. We are already in a jail that we can't see, our souls are being systematically destroyed. We are all part of the same big thing, and who the hell are we not to question the unnatural state of ourselves and our society. For people on this board to not see the bigger picture and post hateful comments, it's just another confirmation of my point; your asleep, totally cut off from your own emotions and humanity. Wal-mart is a coorporation, they have more economic power than most impoverished countries and they are ruthless and they make money off of shoplifters. Why do people shoplift? That is the question, do you think that they want to steal? No ITS ECONOMIC NESSESSITY and for a mother of 8, that's how she got what her kids and herself needed. Did she have a choice, NO!!!!!!! We are so friggin dumb our species, we are poicing ourselves while a group of Elite sociopaths is making plans to kill us off and take over the world and our own common sense is gone. We only have hate and anger and we can't even figure out why, well wake the heck up world! The security guard is another casualty in this situation, he needs power and control to feel safe and not a victim (childhood trauma and social economic opression) and so he does what he's paid (not very well) to do, he just enjoys the authority more than most people and decided ignorantly to allow a person to die due to his negligence. But because she was commiting a crime and we have all been brainwashed to police ourselves, some people acutally think that stealing is a choice still. Well I guess our species really is doomed and those world powers who have opressed us and made this experience of living so difficult will end up doing what they want and we;ll let them cause we're just so oblivious.

• Whether this person was up to no good or not it still is tragic that they died over something so petty... Whether they attacked someone or died of natural causes. I know if i was going to the store I wouldn't want to see that.. As far to what actually happened we can all assume what we like but the fact of the matter is that we do not have a statement from the security guard, nor the store and not seen the security tape.. As far as it being her own fault for being over weight. So are you saying if you are over weight you deserve to die? It is like the boy crying wolf. Just because she had a history of crime doesn't mean that on that day she was doing the same... Whether im ignorant or not is irrelevant that fact of the matter is that she died and it is sad as she had a family. If someone does a crime they should do the time but not die..

• this peticular case from what i read, the security guard saved the taxpayers money and made the world a little better place.

• To all that say the punishment did not fit the crime, Collateral Damage and Inherent Risk, look it up. If she was shopping then yes a Security Guard and Wal-Mart would be very accountable and pay. When you go out and commit a crime you are going against societies norms therefore a predictable behavioral model of human interaction is thrown right out the window. She knew that what she was doing was illegal, she also knew that there were risks with it. A crime in nature is unpredictable because a person is doing everything in their power and going against social norms to do this. Also if her daughter was part of this and was the one caught then yes she also put everything at risk and if she missed her mothers funeral I wouldn't shed a tear and would say so what. She had a choice not to do any of it. The Employees had no choice their job was to counter a thief and that is what they did. Now someone has to live with a death that if only someone had lived within societies rules and had not chosen to live outside the rules they would not be burdened by a death they had no intention to be involved with.

• I find it strange that everyone assumes she was guilty. The article states she was caught shoplifting. Is there any proof, other than Walmart employees stating that is why they confronted her? Walmart has a history of accusing people of stealing without proof, usually the receipt check at the front of the store. Maybe she was guilty but I don't see any proof offered in the article. Resist Walmart's illegal attempts at unlawful detention. Flipping off or insulting the store employees is counter-productive. You are not required to consent to a search of your person or property by private citizens (ever) or by the police (unless there is probable cause). I do not allow my constitutional rights as an American citizen to be violated. When approached, simply smile and say, "No, thank you." and continue on your way. Do not acknowledge them after that exchange. If you are detained or touched in any way, use your cell phone to call the police, (do not ask the store employees to call) state your name and address, then ask for an officer to be dispatched as you have been unlawfully detained. Do NOT call 911. You are not in an emergency situation. When the police arrive, file a report, identify the person or persons who detained you, state clearly that you verbally refused a search and were detained. Then press law enforcement and the District Attorney to prosecute your attackers. File civil suits against the attackers and the establishment. If the D.A. doesn't follow through, you can go after them, also. In quite a few areas, you can pursue criminal charges yourself, even if the D.A. declines. It's not easy but it is possible. While it may sound like an over-reaction, the American people must guard their constitutional freedoms at every turn. Walmart and other corporations do not have the right to infringe upon the liberties many people have died defending. As a side note, other stores do this, also. It isn't just Walmart.

• Where is our compassion? I think it was shoplifted.

• ANY life is a life. And while I do not suggest that she was right. I am suggesting that we think about her family and who survived. Yes a life was wasted. But this is not a land of vigilantes and wolves cheering at suffering In the eyes of the Romans J.C. was a criminal Where is our compassion?

• Ahoy Matey. Lest you have something more insightful to share, I advise you to use your typing fingers for something else like pulling your head out of your ass. I'm really so sick of trolls.

• Ha.. typical black people. stereotypes exist for a reason...

• Good. One less scum ass shoplifter.

• @Gina - Lets be realistic here people.. You believe the daughter? I know you didn't read the whole article, did you? Lets just review the evidence here. The Lady was crazy and deserved it: She's been busted over 2 dozen times for shop lifting and resisting arrest... which is exactly what she was doing here. Have you seen Wal-mart security? They aren't exactly over zealous, in fact if they're awake it's unusual. Not exactly the type of security force that randomly jumps up to choke a stranger. Wal-mart security went Rodney King on her: Her 16 year old daughter says so. A daughter who was raised by a mother who was probably teaching her to lie and steal whenever possible.. as she was doing when she got choked. Thank you Darwin, you were right, good job Wal-Mart.

• if she didn't steal, which she did, she would be alive. forget all this call the police stuff. if she didn't break the law she would be alive. walmart should just hire police officers then as security guards? the guy did his job. the fat bitch died and her horrid off spring had to watch, thats a lesson for you. crime doesn't pay roaches.

• good riddance to bad rubbish. This slob is dead. the family will no doubt look for cash from walmart. some walmart hating lawyer will take the case on for free to stick it to walmart and not to defend the woman. People like her get what they deserve. Jail wasn't going to do anything. Being banned from walmart doesnt do anything. a dead lifetime criminal is no longer a criminal

• I guess her death means her EIGHT!!! kids will get a bigger gobermint check each month. How many of them will become career criminals? How many already are? Sad but true. Actually, more sick than sad. I don't feel pity when cockroaches are crushed. Just disgust that they breed so fast.

• Just a matter of time before her body gave up trying to lug all that weight around. Problem solved-she'll never steal again. Her family needs to realise-it's her own fault she's dead. She was a criminal. Her actions put her into the situation that killed her. Sorry, but playing with fire will get you burnt.

• Oh Ya, I would say she's unhealthy. But some people and a few doctors would disagree with us. What I am sayingis that she is a "criminal" as the day is long. Just this situation; Not one down the road, or one that may have or may not have ever happened with the police or some where else she was stealing. Just Her situation this one we are talking about now. MAYBE if the Walmart Employee had called the police, she maybe still alive and in Jail.

• No, she would still be dead. Notice how she was "caught" 26 times for shoplifting. How the hell many times did she do it and not get caught? 200? She was known to fight when caught, she would have just got into it with the police and same story, different people. She was going to have a stroke or heart attack or whatever happened to her that day (if she was choked, why isn't the Walmart employee in jail instead of the kids?) She brought that on herself with her risky behavior. It's not a punishment for the crime of shoplifting. It's and untreated health problem.

• Now I know why I am going to school. Gina, don't pay any attention to what some of these people are saying to you. She has a criminal record from the past, and she was probably stealing, but she should not have died. Her niece is in jail for stealing and undoubtedly she was. We were not there, who is to say what happened? The security guy may or may not have chocked her. A judge will discide, not us. What should be looked at is this womens life was cut short. Yes, she probably was stealing, shes obese, she had Asthma, those facts do not kill a person. If the walmart employee had called the police like he should have and not had gotten into the fight with her; she would be alive and in jail.

• I have seen where when a person was involved in a crime and there partner ends up dead they are charged with the death of thier partner,why cant the neice and the daughter be charged with her death. I dont mean to be a hard ass but the law is the law. Whats up with that .Boybunny do you know?

• The surveillance camera video will resolve everything. She was convicted 26 times already and she didn't learn. If she steals to feed her children, there are a lot of alternatives other than stealing.

• See, the niece can't even get her lie straight: "She asked me for an inhaler and I gave it to her, and the man took it from me," wouldn't he be taking it from Dorina if she had given it to her?

• C'mon this was just god's way of cleansing the gene pool. One less piece of shit my tax dollars have to support!

• If they had a video tape, and they have 2 witnesses and the Walmart worker, why did they only charge a juvenile with shoplifting and assault? They didn't charge the Walmart worker with anything. Why is everyone assuming that the daughter's story is correct? (when obviously she is the juvenile that is sitting in jail now.) You're all assuming that he choked her. He didn't! It's a made up story by the daughter & the niece. I'm glad to see we're back on the subject of cocksucking. Obviously at least one of you is a dude or it wouldn't be brought up, so don't be so fast to accuse people of being a dripping wet pussy.

• Oh no a dead societal leach. Whatever shall we do? If only she hadn't passed on her dna before she died.

• I love how ya'll post the vilest shit u can think to say and then expect to be portrayed in a light "better" than the story u are refering to. If ur trying to make the point this person is worthless however misguided u leave urself open for ppl to feel the same way about U!

• Reguardless of what she did the chump had no business putting his hands around her neck period! And to top it off not hand her,her inhaler!Wasn't that serious! Please Walmart makes entirely too much money to catch a big lawsuit over a few items and i personally don't consider this karma because it happened infront of her daughter.Maybe she didn't make the right choices but the situation wasn't serious enough to result in death I hope he gets what coming to him,how bout that!

• boybunny said: tja You are a bitch... and I doubt you have a penis. If by chance you do, I seriously doubt you exceed two inches in length. I learned a long time ago, the shorter the penis, the more or a dick the owner is. SORRY I DONT FEED THE TROLLs,Get a life , get back on your MEDS!

• I would also like to point ouy that Walmarts claims seem a little on the thin side... Every other story in this class has the store listing the items alleged to have been stolen... where is the list of stolen goods? Too son for Walmart to invent something believable, or to have arranged for something with her fingerprints on it to turn up as evidence?

• tja You are a bitch... and I doubt you have a penis. If by chance you do, I seriously doubt you exceed two inches in length. I learned a long time ago, the shorter the penis, the more or a dick the owner is.

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• Sure thing. But before i meet with you my friend from Nigeria needs some money for lunch... he says that hes willing to pay you back with interest. ;) hahaha

• Serves the Bitch right.

• This was a totally preventable tragedy. She knew what she was doing when she was stealing. She didn't expect to be confronted. She should have dropped her bags and put her hands up. She would still be alive. I would like to see the security tape of the incident.

• Oh my God, the family's story is so freakin' unbelievable, it's just ridiculous... Seriously, you have to be stupid to believe such a far-fetched story from a sixteen year old. Obviously she was just trying to save a bit of her mother's (and her family's) name from the fact that her mother died right after being caught stealing from a WalMart, lol. You know the woman tried to flee the scene, with the merchandise still on her person, and the security guard then, of course, tried to stop her, that being, you know, the security guard's job. (Granted, you're not supposed to actually get into it too much, even if it's for self defence, because of stores' rules...) Things got violent, and the woman collapsed because she's an unhealthy fat-ass. She brought it onto herself. Honestly, she kind of sounds like she deserved it, considering she's been charged almost thirty freakin' times for various things (and that's just what they caught her for--who knows what else she's done..).

• The chick on the bench has nothing to do with the story, I guess Pete just needed a picture at the time.If you want a little walmart humor check out http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/ you will find some pretty funny shit there.

• gina you should never be on a Jury... you're devoid of the ability to think impartially.... Go find some evidence that this career criminal didnt fight back and then open your mouth... till then learn to keep it shut.

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• is anyone surprised she's black?

• Nick I know why u requoted me it just kinda urked me a little, But just so u and I can get on the same page, Yes this woman was a career criminal so it seems and was working on passing her talent's on to her children. And yes the security at walmart was just doing there jobs her death was no doubt an accident of circumstance which SHE created. That being said people have to get so carried away trying to make a point bringing in race and weight and the kitchen sink when it just takes credit from any point they try to make.

• disregard everything i said. I dont know what im talking about, i just like to take on a sympathetic tone because i have daddy issues and i feel that by being a bleeding heart i can make some kind of difference in the world because my life is pitiful and meaningless. It also makes me feel big and important to be rooting for the underdog, because its different and against the popular flow, which helps me feel like i matter and im significant, even though im not and my opinion is moot.

• "Girlie", I was reposting what you said to put my response in the proper context. I don't care if she was purple, she died while committing a crime of natural causes. Black, white, whatever, she's a drain on society. I think I misconstrued what you said though (perhaps you have quoted someone, to alleviate some of the confusion). People are mentioning the death penalty because that's how it's done in some places. I don't think it's a great solution, but they aren't being "ignorant". The fact that she can do this 26 times tens to annoy law abiding citizens.

• No, I was referring to the obese woman in the little picture, not the totally unrelated obese woman on the bench. You gotta be fat to die of natural causes while attacking security officers.

• Nick You dont have to requote every f'n thing ppl post if they want to read my post they will they don't need u to reitterate it for me, secondly if u go back to what I posted and You re-posted I said It was no doubt an accident on the securities part, secondly she PUT HERSELF IN THE SITUATION!!! So that I agree on, but when people get pulling the race card and saying she needed to die when they themselves are no doubt inperfect just pisses me off!And this woman could have just as easily been white!!

• I believe a lot of you are confusing the picture of the obese woman as being the woman the article is about... They are not the same person, folks. The deceased is in the two small pictures above and below the obese woman. Yes, she's overweight, but she doesn't appear to be as large as the other woman.

• Eastern Shore Girlie said: Most of you that are leaving such ignorant ass post about a crime not punishable by death (yet I think this chick brought it on herself putting herself and her kid in this situation.)I also think it was a complete accident. I think some of your parents let you down in the developemental stages as well. ____________________________________________________________ Perhaps it's because we aren't too ignorant to realize nobody choked this woman, she died of natural causes while attacking a security guard. There was no death penalty, so I'm afraid I don't see your point. She's been caught and released 26 times already.

• Common sense survival tips for a career criminal: 1) Don't get caught stealing 2) Eat less food 3) Bring a nephew, not a niece, to attack the security guard when confronted 4) Hope some waste of space like Gina feels sorry for your worthless existence as leech on society Don't see how number 4 helps, but it's gotta be worth something for obese career criminals

• Most of you that are leaving such ignorant ass post about a crime not punishable by death (yet I think this chick brought it on herself putting herself and her kid in this situation.)I also think it was a complete accident. I think some of your parents let you down in the developemental stages as well.

• sweet, good thing she got what was coming to her. maybe next time her kids think about stealing they will remember their mom getting put in her grave.

• Gina said: That is just unimaginable. I believe the daughters story, and thats just devestating to know she died right infront of her. Maybe more was said between her and the rent-a-cop, but honesty I dont believe that matters. Is shoplifting really a crime punishable to death? The workers should have done what that 60 year old man did and followed her and got her license plate. It isn't even like it was self defense. Walmart knows it or we'd be seeing the video from their security cameras, like we did with the old man. ----------------------------------------------------------- Seriously Gina? This a trashy, fat, criminal who steals for a living and duke is out when confronted. Her family is going to lie to, they are with her when she's boosting stuff from stores. Judging by her girth, and um, THE CORONER, she is just to fat to fight people when she is caught taking things that don't belong to her. Good riddance.

• thanks for that awesome update. almost makes it sound like the author thinks that if you've got a record you deserve to die at walmart. brilliant.

• I think Gina..........Posted 01/19/2010 at 06:21:53 PM is a f-ing left wing loonie, bleeding heart retard for her post.

• It's THE MAN!!!

• If your going to be a thief. You should at least get into shape. The only fat slob I've seen fight was Butterbean.

• It's about time she was snuffed out! I mean come on 26 times she was caught and arrested for stealing! In some countries she would have been hanging from a tree looooong ago! Try stealing a few times in a middle eastern country and see what happens to you!

• I'm sure in between stealing from Wal Mart she was collecting welfare checks for one of her 8 delinquent children. Sounds like a real prize, it's called Darwinism

• Look how fat she is! She probably had a heart attack.

• Ah just let anyone take whatever they want, problem solved.

• Its still sad that she died in front of her daughter. My mom isn't a career criminal or anything, but if she were it would still be heartbreaking to see her die right infront of me. So, I have sympathy and want to send my condolences to the family of this lady. She may have not been making the best choices, but she still a mother who lost her life.

• People actually believe that story? The guy just ran up and choked her to death? "Hold on. I will show you my bag" "NO!"choke choke choke Come on, people. She had an attack and died and now her accomplices...i mean family will try and cash in on her corpse like the bottom-feeders they are. "Here, let us show you the evidence" "NO!" sue sue sue

• I don't know who she is but what she's doing is taking up a lot of space.

• All I want to know is - Who's that chick on the bench and what the hell is she doing?" -

• You are all missing the point. This woman would still be alive if she acted normal. She's 41, has 8 children (that must shave years of a person's life in itself) she has asthma, she's overweight. She BROUGHT THIS UPON HERSELF. She chose to go fight with this Walmart worker and was teaching her daughter and niece to do the same. If she would act like a normal person, go home, make dinner, take walks, etc. she would never have died like that. She chose to engage in risky behavior that caused her death.

• OK, she's a career thief -- so if we punished that with death, what would the deterrent be for worse crimes (assault, child rape, murder, etc.), to keep a thief from escalating right up to the worst they can do? If repeated stealing shouldn't be a capital crime, then why cheer on the 'execution' of this one individual? Did you note that she's not being 'removed' from the gene pool simply because, at her age, she's almost certainly past her fertile years? What else do we know about the woman? Was she a good parent, a verbally abusive neighbor, or...? Why was she shoplifting, was she a really good person but had a serious OCD type issue or something we know nothing about? If you think about it, it's a bit scary how fast people are to cheer on the death of others they know next-to-nothing about, for crimes that weren't violent (let alone deadly) themselves. Use your head, develop some knowledge & logic... One person alone can't prevent our society from backsliding to the Dark Ages of brute violence & superstition -- but every reaction in one person nudges others towards the same, so every little bit counts.

• Melanie ,you may call me anything you like just put a Mr. in front of it.

• tja68: It doesn't matter who you were talking too. It was read, by every person who comes onto this site. Have some class sweetie, it would be greatly appreciated. This story wasn't aimed at you and you threw your two cents in about it, so why can't I do the same about something you wrote? Your disgust for thiefs is relevant. But, you are very disrespectful. I called you a dumb ass because, well..you are one. End of story. Have a wonderful day :] My prayers do go out to the family. Yes she was a theif, and had a record. But..she is a mother, and the way she died was horrible. Her children will never be the same. No matter whos fault it is..Someone lost their lives over something at Walmart. It's saddening.

• Wow tja68 you are a heartless bitch. I can't believe you would even say that... "families of thieves" are people too and dont deserve to miss their moms funeral. What you hope for other people is whats going to happen to you.

• Amanda, first of all Fuck Off I dont believe I was talking to you.I stick by what I said. Just because someone adds a couple of sentences does not make it their story.Im hate a thief all they do is make the prices go up for the honest people.Now we have the the family of the thieves trying to make money off this .I hope the daughter is in jail and misses her mothers funeral.Maby she will learn her lesson!

• So far, I only see one person who caught on to the fact that this career criminal took her 16 year old with her on a shoplifting trip. Who cares that it was Wal-mart, stealing from ANY store ends up costing the consumers more out of pocket expenses as these retailers have to raise prices in order to cover the losses they incur from "petty criminals" such as this lady. Is it sad that she died? Yes. Am I sorry that this means one less person costing people who work, pay taxes and don't break laws MORE money for groceries and other items we need? No. Granted I would rather see them all locked away and not let off with a slap on the wrist to go out and cause living expenses to continue to rise. She was obviously making sure the family business was passed on down the line. Why else would her daughter and niece be there while she committed crimes? Face it folks, shoplifting is NOT sticking it to the "big man". The big man (big business retailers, even Wal-Mart) doesn't lose money. Its we, the honest people who are paying the increase of price on items because of the lazy people who would rather steal than work to actually pay for those same items, who are getting it stuck to.

• Um its just wal mart they steal too from other countries to give us these low prices, so ya I guess it is KARMA for wal mart when they get ripped off. Getting killed in front of your kid is not good and for you people saying she deserved to die for stealing at wal mart you are stupid.

• Cheryl, What I meant by that was that obviously, it's the neice that was charged because it's quite obvious that her story is a lie. Since the juvenile (neice) was charged with assault and battery, it would seem that they attacked the Walmart worker, and since no charges were filed against that person. And the reports state that the aunt died of natural causes, probably a heart attack or stroke from over-exerting herself. The neice is trying to lie about what happened and thinks she can get away with it b/c they are minus one witness. The gene pool I was referring to is the one the aunt and neice share.

• tja68: It wasn't copy and paste dumbass. Look at how it's worded. Newspapers and other sites are of course going to write about what happened. If you choose to come here to update yourself on recent crimes, so be it. But don't be disrespectful to the people that are writing them. It's their job to research and find the stories, there are many other sites like this one, who have the same stories! I guess you're also mad that they have so much info on the Alyssa Bustamante case..that everyone else also has. If you don't like it..don't type in this site. Simple. :]

• Was just getting ready to ask the same question Rocki. 41 yrs of age does not equal juvenile. Sometimes these stories make no sense.

• Gee, I wonder who the teen was that got charged with shoplifting and assault and battery is? No love lost on the fact that we are without another member of that gene pool today.

• Nice. Not only is she a shoplifter (thief), she brings her juvenile offspring along for the fun. So the 16 year old daughter (were any other of her children invited to shopping spree to run interference for mom?) gets to watch mom steal and die, all in the same day. I can't stand WalMart and have not spent a penny in one of their stores in at least 10 years. But who knows - maybe she threatened one of the guards, or maybe she didn't. Maybe she was hostile, maybe the guards felt outnumbered and overdid whatever they did. But sometimes people put themselves in a position where bad things can happen. Just sad the child(ren) had to witness all of it.

• Thanks for catching and posting that, TJA. Sorry to disappoint. We do a lot of stories a day and sometimes we don't see everything.

• Um... ok if she would have been working instead of out trying to rip someone off she'd be alive and the guys trying to make a honest living would have a job. I feel sorry for them.

• I hate that she died for stealing from Walmart- I mean how stupid can you be!!! In Iran they just cut your hand off- seeing as how she had been busted previously in Iran she wouldn't be stealing anything after her second arrest. But looks like from the link tja shared that this crook's time was just up!!. It kind of appears this chick was just trash-

• http://www.thesunnews.com/135/story/1267606.html?storylink=omni_popular Pete you are just plain lazy,How much do they pay you to copy and paste.A fucking monkey could do what you do. The chick got what she had commin, its called karma.

• That is just unimaginable. I believe the daughters story, and thats just devestating to know she died right infront of her. Maybe more was said between her and the rent-a-cop, but honesty I dont believe that matters. Is shoplifting really a crime punishable to death? The workers should have done what that 60 year old man did and followed her and got her license plate. It isn't even like it was self defense. Walmart knows it or we'd be seeing the video from their security cameras, like we did with the old man.

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