What ever happened to getting the word out that local fire stations and hospitals will take unwanted babies without question? Is this message not getting to the people that need it the most? Also, adopting the baby out could have been a cheap way to go. This is so horrible and only probation? I was under the impression that abortion is free to the people that can't afford it, but I guess I'm wrong on that.

Well this sets a dangerous precedent for all future crazy bitches in Florida who intend to practice medicine without a license!

Heh.

Though her reasoning behind it could be true, it was still a crazy and unethical thing to do and Im appauled that she was given such an easy sentence.

Why didn't they consider adoption? That doesn't cost money if you are the one adopting out the baby. There are pleanty of people out there who would love a new born baby.

I'm not sure which I think is crazier, the actual event itself or the judge sympathizing her and only giving her 3 years house arrest for it.

Concerned- Each state has their own laws regaurding abortion. In some states it is illegal all together, like my state. Also, our fire departments here in KCMO do not take unwanted babies. My father and two uncles are firemen and have been for over 20 years and they never have taken an unwanted baby at the station. Im sure they would call the police and give the baby to the police, but thats them as citizens not firemen.

No state in the U.S. will fund free abortions for people who need them. I'm pro-choice (probably more pro-abortion, actually) and even I would never vote to have abortion covered by the government. It's not my responsibility to pay for people's abortions, nor would I want the responsibility to fall on someone else if it was me.

And abortion is protected by the U.S. Constitution is not illegal in ANY state in the U.S. I don't know what the heck Gina is talking about.

Also, if this was a little white baby, she would have done some serious time.

Why wouldn't she just let the daughter carry the baby to full term and then put it up for adoption instead of kill it?

I'm all for people having their own choice, but she could have hurt her own daughter by doing this.

Morons should not be allowed to breed

"She didn't want her daughter to experience life as a 16-year-old with a child" but she didn't mind scaring her daughter for the rest of her life with the knowledge that she gave birth to a baby boy that was so unwanted and worthless he was only good for being thrown in the trash!!! Horrible and disgusting woman.

many viable babies have been born at 24 weeks gestation. that's over half way in the pregnancy. the only legal abortion she could have obtained would have been if the life of the mother was in peril by continuing the pregnancy or if the child would be still born, or not be viable for long after live birth. this type of abortion is the only abortion i am against unless all the criteria is met.

the "grandmother" deserved more punishment than she got, and her daughter needs some serious counceling after this debacle.

MCR, you cannot get an abortion in the state of Missouri. You'd have to drive to Kansas or Illinois. You will not be arrested for getting one, but no clinic in Missouri will do an abortion. I can find the number for planned parent hood here if you like.

You didn't say they weren't available. You said, "In some states it is illegal all together, like my state."

Also, here's a list of abortion clinics in Missouri.

http://www.abortion.com/abortion_clinics_state.php?country=United%20States&state=Missouri

Also, FYI -- It's "altogether" and "parenthood."

then call one and try to get set up, because they'll tell you they can set you up in one in Kansas or Illinois. I know, I had to take my cousin to Kansas because of our laws. The doctor who would give that operation would be doing something illegal, the person who was getting one wouldnt be.

There are three abortion clinics in Missouri that perform actual abortion services; however, they only perform up to 16 weeks. The rest of them provide referrals to get an abortion elsewhere, which may be in Illinois or Kansas depending on where you live.

There are states that make it hard to get an abortion by putting only 1 or 2 abortion clinics in the state, and Missouri is one of them. But it is in no way illegal for a licensed M.D. to perform an abortion in any state in the U.S. Missouri is one of three states that have passed laws to criminalize abortion, which can not constitutionally be enforced. That means they don't matter, which means abortions are performed in Missouri and every other state in the country.

I was just thinking, why didn't she give her the pills a long time ago. Unfortunately, I bet the daughter didn't tell her until 24 weeks, at that point most clinics do not provide abortions past the first trimester. (for obvious reasons, like since the baby was born alive according to her.) It looks like she doesn't know what abortions or birth control are since she has 8 kids herself.

No jail for murder because the US Govt. is a demon possessed, Anti-Christ entity.

There is no one I hate more than one who spouts hate and bigotry. I'm a Jew and I'd kick your ass to next Tuesday, Humberto.

Mcr said:

"Also, if this was a little white baby, she would have done some serious time."

Does that not also sound like someone who spouts hate and bigotry? Are you sayin the life of a white baby is more important than the life of a black baby? Abortion is murder no matter. If its done in a "clinic" or at home, its still murder. Hopefully one of these days it will legally be that way.

Roe v. Wade there were 820,151 legal induced abortions in the US. I don't think anytime soon that abortions will be stopped in the near future. A large majority of women in the US obvious believe in pro-choose. It doesn't matter what color the baby is,once that baby is breathing independently outside of it's mother that's murder. How sad that this women got off so easy. I hope her daughter doesn't get pregnant again.

Are you Rocki in disguise or something, because you COMPLETELY seem to miss the point. God damn, you must be stupid.

As someone FROM Florida, I know that it is a serious problem down there that the African-American community is usually charged more harshly than that of the Caucasian community. In this case, I think the judge looked at this as a black woman living in poverty with her eight kids and decided that she did the right thing by basically killing an already born child. Had she been a white woman doing this to her teenage daughter, she would get a hell of a lot more than 3 years house arrest and five years probation. Dipshit.

And no, it's not murder if it's an abortion performed before 24 weeks. I should have the right to say that I don't want a baby living inside of me. What's the difference between saying I don't want a tapeworm or a fetus? It's something living inside of you that you do not want there. It's something you're killing before it's big enough to feel any real pain or be conscious of what's going on.

Pro-Lifers are the absolute dumbest people on the planet. If you're so concerned for human life, you wouldn't want babies to be born into a shitty life.

I am not Rocki and I have no idea what you are talking about.I believe in Pro-choose, But this women is not a medical professional. She did not perform an abortion that was murder. Black or White she should have been charged with murder. That's my opinion. I believe a women has the right to choose to do as they wish with their bodies.Her daughter didn't get that choice. Her mother made it for her. I am not disagreeing with you on the abortion issue. I believe this women murdered that breathing baby. We are not talking about a tapeworm or fetus, this was a birth of a living child. Sorry that this bothers you

Wasn't talking to you -- was talking to the person who called themselves "pot calling mcr"

mcr,
I only posted the one comment about the 24 weeks, the daughter did not probably tell her, etc. I do not disguise myself as anyone else. If you think I'm moron that's fine with me. I have nothing to prove to you. You think you are an authority on everything.

But I am surprised to find out that 2nd trimester abortions are provided. I thought all abortions were legal until 24 weeks and then the life of the mother had to be in danger in order to do late term.

Regardless, the reason she will never be charged with anything more than what she was (apparantly some would say murder) is b/c she did not kill the baby. (the head trauma) Anyone who knows anything about baby/fetus development would know that a 24 week old fetus weighs only 1 lb. The lungs are the last thing to fully develop. A 24 week old fetus cannot live without help breathing, even if she would have taken it to the hospital, it would have died on the way.

I don't subscribe to the attitude that a fetus that old is like a tapeworm however. But this will continue b/c this girl is not the last to be afraid or unaware to tell her parent. This could be avoided if more birth control and education focused around this (instead of abstinence-whoever decided to teach that in school should be committed to a menal institution for life.) If this girl had more support, then she may gotten an abortion earlier, avoiding this very disgusting situation.

I have to correct the above, I thought abortions were legal up to 12 weeks and then the life of the mother had to be in danger, not 24 weeks, that is end of 2nd trimester.

There's no doubt that the teenager is a dumbass, but there is question on whether or not the baby was actually alive when it was born. Yes, it probably would have died anyway. The thing is, there have been numerous cases similar to this in the past and they almost always look at the baby's lungs during the autopsy to see whether or not the baby had taken a breath. If it did, that's murder. I don't necessarily think that she deserves a murder charge, but I do think she needs to do some time in an actual jail.

And as for the daughter, Florida makes it so easy for teenage girls to get birth control. I have absolutely no sympathy for any dumbass teenager that gets pregnant. There is no excuse other than pure stupidity. And of course, the stupid people are the ones who should be breeding, right? That's why Florida pretty much sucks. Just a bunch of morons breeding with one another.

Ok, I usually don't correct grammar, but C.C., it's pro-choice, not pro-choose.

Also, Gina, all 50 states, including yours, have some form of Safe Haven laws, sometimes called Baby Moses Laws. You might want to read up on this to see what exactly your state allows. This along with the abortion thing was a federal mandate. Different states have different restrictions, but all states have to allow the parents of children a short period of time to "opt" out of parenthood without bringing forth criminal charges.

Gina, here is a little more info about the safe haven laws in your state:

Missouri
Child Welfare
Infant Safe Haven Laws
To better understand this issue and to view it across States, see the Infant Safe Haven Laws: Summary of State Laws (PDF - 660 KB) publication.
Infant's Age
Ann. Stat. § 210.950

A child who is no more than 1 year old may be relinquished.

Who May Relinquish the Infant
Ann. Stat. § 210.950

The child may be relinquished by his or her biological parent.

Who May Receive the Infant
Ann. Stat. § 210.950

The child may be released to the physical custody of any of the following persons:
An employee, agent, or member of the staff of any hospital, in a health-care provider position, or on duty in a nonmedical paid or volunteer position
A firefighter or emergency medical technician on duty in a paid position or on duty in a volunteer position
A law enforcement officer

Here is my source:

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/state/index.cfm?event=stateStatutes.processSearch

Also, it appears that your father and two uncles, do by law have to take the children. If they are not aware of that, then shame on your state for not providing proper training for incidences such as this.

In addition, this only proves my point that the word is not getting out that parents do have options if they find they can't provide for their child or that they have made a mistake. This needs to be shared with the people that it can help the most.

Concerned,
Yes, shame on us. People should be aware of this. Obama has at least removed the last of the federally funded abstinence-based programs in schools. (Is anyone aware that we were paying for this? They found these programs do not work.) Our first responsibility is to the kids who are already here, to keep them safe and healthy and UNPREGNANT. Then later, WHEN THEY GROW UP, they can make decisions on adult subjects like sex before marriage, and the ethics of stem cell research and 1st trimester abortions. This is a horrible tragedy for this girl who now will be scarred for life and this poor little innocent baby who had to suffer and die who should have been conceived years later.

I live in KS and there are signs right next to our fire stations AND hospitals that show it is a safe house for unwanted children.

Its called Safe Haven.

http://www.safehaven.tv/states/kansas/

UGH,

I also live in kansas. However, there aren't any signs at the hospital or fire departments that I have ever seen. But, I know that if I ever wanted to, I could leave my child there. I know that Kansas has the safe haven law, just for some reason its not posted where I live.

Marie,
I guess that save-haven is common knowledge to most people. If you click on to their website, click you state, the places and time allowed to surrender the child is all outlined information. It is kinda strange; State to state has different time-lines allowed to give up an individuals baby?

C.C.,

Yea it does seem a little weird that there are certain times. But I think maybe that's for the babies safety. Like say, a firehouse is busiest during the day so someone would notice a baby. Same with hospitals. I don't know what the times are, but it makes a little bit of sense to me. I'm just glad they have those laws now.

Your state, not you state sorry. Concerned thanks for finding my error: dumb mistake on my part, choose, choice

My parents will kill me if I bring home anymore stray animals. But if I saw a stray animal or a baby left alone. I'm taken it. LOL

C.c.,

I am the same way, except if I try to bring home stray animals, my husband would kill me! He says 3 dogs and 2 cats are enough. Althought my daughter would love it if we had a baby in the house! She has been on this kick about wanting a baby brother for some reason! If I found one, I would take it to the police and if no one "claimed" the baby, I would enquire about it and possibly adopt it.

Her lawyers statement makes me sick!She is defending killing a child for the good of her daughters life.
Woe to them who call evil good!