Jordan Brown, 12, May be Tried as Adult for Killing Dad's Pregnant Fiance

• wa a twat

• one of the reasons kids kill others. especially family members. is out of jealousy. . jealous that there is to be a new mommy in the mix. jealous that the parents are expecting a new kid. be it full or half sibling. . sometimes it is against a sibling or parent already there. in the case of the parent. at times it is the oedipus complex if the parent killed is the same gender as the kid. . . . in this case, I would have to agree. that the kid did NOT want the dad's GF to have his half sibling. that there was already jealousy against the step siblings and the stepmom to be. then, to find out that there was to be even more competition for daddy's attention was to this kid, too much to take. and he felt that he needed to take steps to correct this. steps that should NOT have been taken at all.

• All I hear is people saying that the boy knew what he was doing, when you don't even know the kid. Is really easy to be giving opinion. Do you know if he really did it? I don't think a kid that young should be tried as an adult and spend life in prison. We have worse crimes and even rapers that had gotten less time than that. Plus if a kid that age should be tried as an adult then a 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 years old having sex with an adult shouldn't be rape right? They know what they are doing.

• My 12 year old children would know that it is a crime to kill another human being. He's sick, and needs help, but he should be punished for taking the life of a woman and her unborn child, this was murder. I have to believe that it was premeditated, and he will be a danger to society...you can't just erase something like this from his record, a 12 year old knew that what he was doing was murder. This makes me sick to think that he will be among society in 6 years, is this how he deals with those he is jealous and doesn't like? What is to prevent future behavior, if he is such an animal at 12 years of age. He needs to be punished for his acts....you can't treat him like a spoiled brat, and just make it okay...two died at his intentional hands. Makes me sick to my stomach to think that a 12 year old could be so vendictive...so very very sad.

• wth did you know that it might have been someone else because there was a black car parked in front of his home and his future step mother had recieved death threats from her ex boy friend also it was robbed right after. so they should investigate this closer before making final disisions becasue i think he is innocent

• I absolutely agree w Rosie- the nature of the crime necessitates an adult trial.

• Any 11 year old boy that loves his mother would defend her in any way that was available to him. So what are the consequences for a father who leaves a gun laying around the house with an angry, emotionlly volitile child? Who is really guilty here?

• railroaded i think not, however, i am not convinced of his guilt either. i do think that because of the nature of the crime his trial should be in an adult court. and if he is guilty, he gave up his chance at a normal life when he pulled the trigger and killed 2 people.

• He gave up a normal life? Maybe he never had a normal life.A mothers love.He was losing from day one.Always losing,never came first.A product of his enviornment.Was he ever taught how precious life was? I was told she was getting death threats from an old boyfriend months before....I wonder....

• I wish I would be on the jury. Too bad I just served. It is horrible..around here. Everyone, even on the national news has convicted this boy. Could I convict him.. Absolutly...BUT all the cards must be laid out...In a court

• You're right Mark. And you'd know better than outsiders of the whole of it. I totally agree that "Something does not make sense"... What if he did not do it? I'd hate to be on that Jury I know that

• I live in this little town. Something does not make sense. Everyone has found him guilty. You might be inclined to say "if the shoe fits"....BUT 3 times it took for adults to get a 7 year old to say she heard a boom. 3 times? Do you also know that the little girl said her mother told the 2 of them to hurry not to miss the bus? She was still alive.. Do you also know that recently a man at a bar was bragging that he killed Kenzie, the mother? Jordan has said he did not do it. He shows no remorse. You can't show remorse if you did not do it or are completely insane....Gun residue on boy...he was shooting the day before...want to bed .. bet he did not bathe or even change his clothes...like many kids....Something is not right...What if he did not do it???? and a 12 year old is getting railroaded???? Not convinced yet!!

• @ Patty, He gave up his chance at a normal life when he purposely murdered TWO people. That boy committed an irreversible act. That boy MURDERED that woman. I do not pity him. I fear him and the man he will become. I believe he is guilty of this crime.

• He can"t get married,he can't drink,hecan't drive a car why?Because he's not an adult.Punish the "kid" yes.Ever wonder what his lifes been like?Know about his real mother?

• @jon. I believe you are right. Jordan got what he wanted- his dad all to himself. That boy crossed the line of normal...

• this kid is f****d up,and could never return to mormal living.

• IM SORRY TO SAY THIS BUT THAT YOUNG SON OF A BITCH LOOKS LIKE A COLD HEARTED KILLER JUST LOOK AT HIS DAM MUG SHOT LOOK AT HIS EYES

• SHIT! IM SPEECHLESS ONTHIS ONE WHAT IN THE HELL THIS YOUNG MAN SHOOTING A PREGNANT WOMEN, HE KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG AND ALTHOUGH THIS SITUATION IS SURELY TRAGIC AND FUCKED UP. IN JEWISH CUSTOM AT 12 YOU ARE CONSIDERED AN ADULT. BUT HELL THE SYSTEM SUCKS THESE DAYS.

• Unfortunately, the best option may be to try him as an adult. Most adults would be resistant to a life sentence for a 12 year old without overwhelming evidence. If the evidence is strong enough to overpower the jury's concern for the boy's youth, he probably should not return to society. If the DA fails to make his case, the boy's family will sue for wrongful imprisonment. I'm bothered by the 'jealous' factor of the crime. Boys (in my opinion) are more territorial and possessive than girls. My son at 3 was very jealous of the new baby in the house. At times I was concerned that he was a danger to the baby. The answer was lots of love for both children and never allowing him opportunity to act out toward the baby. Supervision, constantly... It's better now, we just had to get through the adjustment period. It's truly sad that no one recognized the danger his jealously posed. No one acted to deny this boy opportunity to act.

• Jenn- I agree with MCR, if you have small children around guns you are always asking for trouble, I'm not saying they should have predicted him murdering someone but there is so much risk of accidents. I read recently of a teenager shooting himself, he may still have tried to kill himself but if he didnt have access to gun his chances of survival would have been greatly increased. People should not have guns around children. As for the case I think the evidence is fairly cartain, there are no other suspects, he gave them a false lead and he was seen throwing away a shell from the gun. I dont understand how they are questioning a 7 year olds ability to testify when they're defining an 11 year old as an adult. That said, I do think he should be tried as an adult. It was extremely pre meditated, his denying it is very calculated and he seemed to know exactly what he was doing. MCR- I agree that understanding how a gun works isn't the same as understanding murder but I dont see how a 12 year old doesn't understand murder. I understood that death is final and its likely by 11 he had known some one to die and seen the grief it causes and known that it is wrong to kill someone. Also they have pointed out the fact he is still denying the crime despite so much evidence suggests he may take a longer time to rehabilitate than the juvenile system will be able to keep control of him for, what if he's convicted but still hasn't admitted it by his release date? You dont want to release someone that cant take responsibility. And I disagree that he didnt show intent, he hid the shotgun under a blanket, threw the shell away and went to school, trying to act naturally. That shows a lot of intent to me plus he had threatened it before. tmonsta- Its not remotely true that it wouldn't have sat for year if it was definite, trials take forever regardless of how sure they are the person is guilty, thats just the justice system having so many cases to deal with. Dot- before you start calling people ignorant and uneducated, learn to spell "unfortunately". You have seen comments from these people on the internet, not met them so you cant possibly know if they are uneducated.

• i agree you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty except in Pennsylvania where you are guilty and you have to prove your innocent also it dosen't suprise me on the judges decison to try the kid as an adult consider the area New Castle where they have a bunch of innerbreds making decisions like this i feel sorry for the boy maybe the dad did it

• While you´re all sitting on your chairs and watching those miserable reality shows with no brain blonds or whatever, kids are killing people and weapons are being sold. I do not feel pity for that 12 year old murderer (he´s no longer a boy) for he chose to take two lives and i do not feel compassion for that stupid, stupid father! Are you proud of your teenage kids killing other kids at school? Are you proud of all the serial killers you all helped to create? Are you proud of taking your kids to hunt and teach them how to manage a gun?? Are you proud of your stupid policie of selling guns to anyone that "looks normal"?? Seriously...you know nothing! I sure hope american people learn from this horrible event. The real tragedy on this fuckinf story is stupidity. Seems to me, America is filled with stupidity!

• I say the kid is a sociopath with no hope of rehabilitation. Who the hell lets a 12-year old have a gun just 'out and about' in the house. Get a gun safe for Christ's Sake! Even when I was 12, I wouldn't have SHOT ANYONE! People need to teach their children morals, ethics and respect.

• Ok ADULT...i get where you're coming from, but you have to look at ALL the views here. We are talking about an eleven year old child here. How would you feel if 3 people came & invaded your space with you & your close father? He's a child not an adult & he shouldn't be tried as a fuckin adult!!! He felt what any other child at his age would have felt

• You can bet that the victim's family will litigate for wrongful death against the kid's father, for not being responsible enough to keep the firearms beyond the kid's access. With no sign of forced entry, the killer is either the kid or his dad. With the psych evaluations dredging up the kid resenting dad's prior girlfriend, and the other foresnic evidence that the media has told us about, it is easier to think that the kid did it. If he's tried and convicted as a juvenile, then he should get the max sentence, with 10 years of intensive probation after that release at age 21. That gives him a chance to earn his way back into society's good graces. If he is tried and convicted as an adult, then he should get life without parole, and preferably meet with some prison justice. Child molesters/killers are not looked upon kindly in the prisons by other inmates. Execution at adulthood, if legally viable, would be preferred by the taxpayers. If he is found not guilty, regardless of how tried, then he will still need a lot of counseling, at the very least. He is scarred for life, regardless.

• Where was the kids real mother? Was she also jealous of this new woman in her son's life?

• I understand that an innocent woman and her unborn son were murdered. That is horrific, at the least. My thoughts and prayers go out to this young womans family, especially her 2 young daughters. However, does an 11 year old really have the mental developemnt to understand what he did? Of course, his actions need to be addressed, but what about the father? Isn't there any negligence there? He left a gun and bullets where his 11 year old son had access to them both. How can we as a civilized nation, put an 11 year old in prison for the rest of his life? Rehabilitation? Something for the child who has now, lost his innocence. And again, this is a horrible, terrible tragedy! But there is more blame here than just the boy. Or have we turned into a society where it's easier to turn out backs on the children?

• plenty of 11 and 12 year olds have guns but that certainly does not make it ok...and why is there such and uproar about whether or not he should be charged as an adult??? Lionel Tate was charged as an adult...is it different because Jordan is white and Lionel is black? It shouldnt be but that seems to be an issue these days. 12 or 21 you KNOW that killing someone is wrong! He knew that when he walked into that room to shoot her that it was not right. He is a murderer and should be charged just as any other murderer would. And for the parents that seem to think its fine for an 11 and 12 year old to have access to a gun without parental supervision...DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM NOW????????

• he is 11 but he knew right from wrong... he shot her while she was asleep and in the back of the head. he didnt do it during an fight which could maybe be understood. he did this while his own father was gone and the only witnesses were under 7.

• HE DESERVES THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!

• I don't think I've ever seen so much cliched repetition of the "Guns don't kill people..." addage. Then there's Strolpol, finding it impossible to resist the opportunity to compare this to kids having sex. Aye.

• dective just go ahead an mit to it you got nothing to hold thi child no prints 0n amo for that shot com on dective nothing to go on show proof he pulled triger you cant no one seen him do it

• theres no proof he pulled the triger per p report yall search a little futher an see motive false no burden of proof prints not on triger b`s some one loaded it someone pulled the trigeer an it was not the child you all re examin your report an let the child alone evedence desroyed per personale check it

• Hans Gaedke, we are not in Europe and the kids father is dead he murdered him so we can't punish the father? The legal system is not going to throw a 12 in the middle of a prison for all the prisoners to rape the kid. After the kid gets help like you suggest, what do we do with him after that, release him back into society? He will get help and when he's old enough the kid is probably going to prison for murdering 2 people and 1 unborn. That's the way they do it here in USA! What would have been the best for everyone was for the sick brat not to have murdered his parents in the first place and now blamming his dad for the nut-case getting ahold of the gun.

• This story and also some of the comments show what is wrong with the USA. This child needs help and the last place he belongs in is jail. In Europe he wouldn't have to stay one day in prison but his dad would go into jail for not taking care of his weapon. That is the correct decision.

• This is definately a tragedy, but I strongly feel that a 12 year old should not be tried as an adult, punishment ? Yes but not as an adult. Help him to understand what he has done. I do not feel a 12 year old can fully understand the extremity of all this. He is a child for God's sake.

• Justright, you make a good point, but I think the adult in this case most definitely contributed to the action by giving his son unrestricted access to a shotgun. I also agree that society needs to focus on the perpetrator, but in this case, do you think he should be tried as a juvenile or an adult? http://bit.ly/aNhMPf

• Paulshar, you are so RIGHT! It appears that everyone just read the article and then passed judgment on the guilt of this child without bothering to realize that the child is only "accused" of this crime. He has not had a trial and he has not been convicted. There are adults murderers who have admitted their guilt that have been given more leniancy than this little boy. This child has been in jail for a year and it is as much likely that he DIDN'T commit this crime than he did. There was a botched investigation, botched crime scene, extremely poor police work and now apparently a salem witch trial by the people who read one little article that is printed over and over by media outlets (and it is the same piece of crap article wherever you read it) and take it as gospel. After all the years of people getting tried in the media, you would think the public would learn that just because they read it doesn't make it the truth and most times what is reported is wrong or distorted. If this child is proven innocent and another person is found to have committed this murder, I can only imagine the lawsuit that will follow because this child's life is ruined regardless of whether he is now proven innocent or guilty. People...please start understanding the concept of "innocent until PROVEN guilty". Seriously, reading some of these comments make me sick. If you have the ability to read an article on a computer then you should certainly have the ability to do some research to find out that there are more sides to the story.

• Custodial adults should never be blamed for the torts (wrong acts) of their charges. Think about it people. You can't hold an adult responsible for what a child does -- unless the adult contributed to the action. I keep my guns locked up, but gun safes can be broken into. Lets not be stupid and blame the shot gun for the homocide. Should we take cars away from people because every year they kill tens of thousands more people than guns do. Society needs to focus on the perpetrator and the victim, not the weapon.

• He is held even more liable since he has the knowledge of what guns can do,as well as the father. When you are raised hunting then you have seen firsthand what a gun does to a full grown animal from a distane,let alone at point blank range. The father should be held liable as well,he's the one that gave him gun handling experience and education.

• Wow, people here are so quick to judge. First off, guns don't kill people, people kill people Would you think diffently about this little boy if you knew that this mother had an ex boyfriend who had recently threanted to kill her? OR knew that the gun they thought killed her was actually not the gun? That maybe the media is doing there job to distort the truth and find one guilty and come up with there own facts? There was simply not enough info in this article to find him guilty. There are many facts about this case you all know nothing about! What a sad day in America that people judge a person on sooo little facts.

• Fascinating. When a child engages in sexual intercourse, it is obviously because they don't know any better and were manipulated by environmental factors. When they kill someone, they're fully culpable for the consequences. If they're not legally able to enter into a contract, then they should not be legally able to be considered equally culpable for their actions as an adult. I truly find it hard to believe that, for all the rage that child murderers draw from this website, there are so many just as willing to kill a child.

• Millions of families merge every year. it's sad. It's hard on the kids. But an emotionally and psychologically stable child can adjust. This kid is not done with criminal activity. Put him back on the streets, and, sooner or later, we will be seeing a documentary on his life of horrific crime and how "his first crime was the murder of his stepmother". Someone who is safe while he is locked up will be his victim if he is let out when he is 21. Whether he is locked up in a mental facility or a jail, I don't care. Keep him away from the same society that my children live in.

• This is too simple: Why the debate? As I understand, the decision is whether to "try him as a child, or as an adult?" Let's see. He's a "child" try him as a "child." Is his father on trial too? He moved he pregnant fiance in with the family who also brought @ least 2 other daughters. There's a loaded gun. The pregnant fiance was asleep. The boy murders the woman & then he & a girl head off to school? There's a bigger issue @ stake here than whether to try this kid as a child or an adult! So sad what we've done to our children. So SAD!

• Sadly Child Killers DO Exist -- I brought up Edmund Kemper on another thread about Alyssa Bustamante, but I don't agree with applying the cases you mentioned as a comparison to this case. The difference between this case and the case you mentioned is primarily the nature of the crimes. The crimes you mentioned were particularly heinous crimes that showed signs of sociopathic or psychopathic behaviors amongst the perpetrators. Edmund Kemper killed his grandparents "just to see what it felt like." Mary Flora Bell only received 12 years in prison and then never killed again that we know of. Jordan Brown, however, committed an emotionally based crime. His soon-to-be stepmom was moving in on his territory and bringing a new baby into the house. He acted out of fear and desperation. If he had violently stabbed this woman, strangled her, or did anything other than just shoot his gun like his Daddy taught him, I would feel differently. I think this kid deserves a chance. Now, Alyssa Bustamante, on the other hand...I really feel there's no helping her.

• I agree with MCR..... This boy was only 12 years old. Scientist have shown that the teenage brain is not fully developed until the time they reach high school. Saying this, that means that this boy did not think about the consequences and effects this would have on other people. I believe in second chances, and in the case of Jordan Brown, I think he should be given a second chance. And think about it, him and his step mom must have gone through some problems and crossed roads somewhere in order for him to go take some extreme action like this.

• Sorry to disagree with y'all, but who in the hell considers an 11 year old an adult? If he were taken advantage of by a teacher you would be stringing the teacher up, because HE didnt know better. A child is NOT an adult.

• If the police had any evidence, they would not have postone and ask for soooooo much time . Remember it" been over a year. how much time does it take to come up with enough evidence. How could so many of you believe what you read, no where do you hear any actural evidence. It"s all assumed and spectulative. What happens when he is found not guilty ? What about the entire year he was locked up,what about his life. we must look at both sides of the case. The truth will be told soon.

• what the FUCK is wrong with that kid im 12 and ever if i didnt like that woman i wouldnt have KILLED HER!!! damn these stupid kids

• I am still giggling at Jenn and how she said "My kid said that she didn't eat a Hershey mini last night but I know that she did..." in response to my question of "What do we do when the kid is saying that he didn't do it??" Does anybody have a listing of what law enforcement is considering "direct evidence"??? I still think that the kid shot her, but, I am still unclear of how much actual evidence law enforcement has.

• I think those of you who are debating if this kid knew his actions had consequences or not need to google "Child Killers". Child murderers didn't just spring up, they have been popping up for years, one even took place as far back as 1874 and in each and every case they comprehended they were doing wrong and that they would be in very bad trouble with the police. This boy is no different than them and the police who are actually working this case (and not sitting at their computers) obviously had the evidence he did do this shooting or they wouldn't have arrested him. I'll even go out on a limb and give you some names that you can look into and perhaps then you will understand children know more than you're giving them credit for. Start with the one that goes furthest back to 1874 that I mentioned, his name Jesse Pomeroy a 14 year old murderer. Want younger? Try Mary Flora Bell, she was 10 I believe when she killed at least 2 children and went to trial in the 1960's. Does anyone remember the 2 boys who kidnapped, sexually abused and then murdered the baby in England a few years back? Their names, Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, both were 10 if I recall. Has no one heard of the most recent case where 2 brothers ages 10 and 11 tried to beat to death 2 other young boys? Those attackers WANTED those young boys dead they just didn't succeed in reaching their goal thankfully. One more name and this one should be somewhat known and will show what could happen if these kids who kill aren't dealt with and taken seriously, Edmund Kemper was 15 when he shot his grandparents to death. Kemper went on to murder and dismember 8 women only 5 short years after he took the lives of his grandparents. These are but a few of the many names you will find. Most of these even went as far to hide the bodies of their victims to cover their tracks. No folks, this is not a new event in a child being angry enough to murder people. Sadly this will probably happen again and again. There is no justifying what these kids did when they put into action their horrendous plans to steal another persons life. This boy, Jordan planned his crime out enough to pick up a loaded gun and take the life of his fathers new woman and unborn child - a child who was a boy. Has anyone considered he thought a new son would be his replacement? Perhaps he thought that by killing them he knew the little girls would end up going to their mothers relatives and that just maybe he would actually get away with the killing and in the process have his father back to himself. He should be charged as an adult and kept off the streets to protect others. What happens when his father has another new lady friend? Is this child going to be allowed to continue killing just because he is a "child"? At least if he is locked away he can get help from professionals and maybe just maybe deal with his inner issues and someday become a safe, normal person. He'd have hope where as if he is allowed to walk free he has none as it is unlikely he will be getting the intensive counseling he needs.

• Come on people. This is not a debate on gun control. This is about a boy who shot someone. A boy who knew a lot about guns. A boy who was jealous of the new woman in dad's life. I have said it before and I will say it again. If he wanted her dead, he would have found any way to do it. Knife, gun, pills, poisin, anything. The gun is just what he choose because he felt comfortable with it. And so what if an 11 year old boy has a gun? Most people I knew and grew up with had guns. I grew up around farms and hunters. Its a rite of passage, if you will, that some kids get their own gun. But no one I know has ever killed anyone. So please, stop already with the gun control issues. It has nothing to do with this story. If you gun haters have your way, the only ones who will have guns will be the bad guys since you pretty much want to take "our right to bear arms" away. Jadensmokes, Hugs back to ya! I do agree with the whole german part. She seemed a little distant when it came to relationships. She reminded me a lot of a nazi!

• he should be treated like an adult because he knew what he was doing.

• I agree with mugshot there is clearly no conscience or feeling there. y'all also have to consider the fact that most states require a child of his age till age 21 to take a hunter safety class before they may have a hunting licenses. you can not tell me he did not know what he was doing. More over they can not play the temp insanity card because as soon as he hid that gun and fled the seen by fed law it became premeditated murder. I think if you are old enough to commit the crime like an adult you are old enough to face the punishment of an adult.

• look at his mugshot, he looks like a serial killer already!!!! cmon people dont let age fool you

• give this fucker the electric chair, and then the lethal injection, followed by a shotgun blast to the membrane, some people just dont deserve to live...what if they dont put him behind bars and he becomes the next stalin, or hitler i dont think i want another world with those types of people around no sir E

• This is a hard one, 12 is so young. I do agree with Bret. The kid knew about guns, knew how to use them, and certainly knew that a gun could kill someone. Children do know right from wrong. I think it is age 10 children know what death is. Once a person is gone or dead they are not coming back. If this kid will murder at the age of 12 his future step-mom and he knows she was going to have his baby brother or sister, I would not trust this kid EVER. He needs to be lock up for the rest of his life. I don't know about Prison. Maybe after he spends time in juvenile detention centers, until he is 25, he could live in a group home.

• In response to David, David, Guns don't kill people criminals and 12 year old kids with guns kill people. the issue at hand is not gun control laws the issue is weather a 12 year old that showed no remorse for what he did should be tried as an adult or not. To me the fact that he showed no remorse tells me he knew exactly what he was doing and committed the crime of murder and in doing so all innocence of being a child went right out the window. Do I think he should be tried as an adult absolutely but I also believe that the father should face a negligent homicide charge do to the fact he left a 12 year old lose with a loaded gun. DO NOT BLAME THE GUN for what happened blame the parent that left the kid with access to the murder weapon. Also who is to say that if the kid didn't have access to the gun that he wouldn't have found another means of killing that poor woman and he unborn child.

• Life, it's knowing what consequences come with our actions. If not a 25-life sentence then, atleast a nice long stay in the effn crazy house. He has taken the life of 2 beings. I think that he needs to feel the maximum punishment. Otherwise he will turn to a life of crime. Jail is only college for criminals. A murderer is the top of the tier in prison. Even for juveniles it's pretty rough.

• Earth to Kathy, And the Columbine killers only used guns? Get real Kathy. They had home made bombs. We were lucky they did not go off. They were in the area of the cafeteria. How many students there Kathy. 40, 80, 120? It would have made Baghdad look safe. Once you ban guns and someone successfully bombs to make a point such as life sucks, I'm alienated, or whatever. Other sick people will copy them. Getting rid of guns will not prevent Columbines, so don't even trot out that tired arguement, but it will liberally civilize us. Soon we will be pacified and will need protector much as the late Roman Empire needed foreign mercenaries to protect their butts. The disarmed the population to control them & no-one knew how to fight, so Kathy pat yourself on the back ; you will accomplish something.

• When I was in 2nd grade, we had a gunrack in the kitchen with 4 rifles & ammunition on the lowest shelf. Given a stern lecture from my father I never touched those guns, when he wasn't there even when friends (a son of a cop) asked. Also, I hated more than 1 person in my neighborhood due to fights etc, but I never considered shooting them. I would not bet against Jenn even though I believe some people can & should be rehabilitated. Some however cannot an should remain in prison or killed. As far as loose gun laws, get over yourself. Probalby every kitchen of every middle or upperclass house has a knife block. Ban guns, The murder rate will dip. Yay, liberals are vindicated, but it will go back to norm as people learn what works as far as crime ( copycats). Learn this & learn it well. A gun , knife or whatever is an object, People are the weapon. we're the only one with animus. Guns are not animated; people are.

• I don't care how long he had access to guns. The point of the matter is, this kid made a decision to go in that room and blow this pregnant woman's head off! That's a pretty damn adult decision! He deserves the full extent of the law, period.

• Wow, thats all the proof they had, they need more ! The residue could have like they said been from hunting.

• This boy if indeed guilty- CHOSE to aim and pull the trigger of that gun. That gun in a closet was harmless until that boy CHOSE to fire it. His daddy didn't make him fire the gun and no one else made him do it- HE CHOSE to fire it. As human beings we are responsible for our CHOICES not anyone else. This boy is responsible for his actions- he CHOSE them.

• I think the replies to my post back my point up? Only in America can parents allow their children access to a deadly weapon then scream to have the child punished when something goes wrong. Only in America will people watch a child get access to a gun and a terrible incident as this happen (or Columbine, or any other similar crime) and people say "Let's not make this a debate about gun control". How utterly ridiculous, of course it's all about gun control. And of course an 11 year old child should not be tried as an adult, because he just isn't one. The father of that boy should be prosecuted, not the boy. The whole concept of holding a child responsible for diabolical parenting is alien to me....

• Has anyone looked at the dad as a suspect? If the kid was jealous, why didn't he kill the children as well?

• I remember reading about this when it first happened. My first reaction was , Oh, no not another kid. I expected to read about abuse and neglect. No, none of that appears to have been happening. He was jealous of his step mom and her children moving and the arrival of a new baby. How much jealousy can an 11 year old manifest? To me this speaks volumes about his mental stability. This isn't just a kid throwing a hissy fit. Yes, he took a gun and killed his step mom. Yes, he has been around guns and gone hunting with his father, but was he emotionally stable enough at the time to understand his actions and the consequences of those actions? I don't believe that he should be tried as an adult. I do think that he needs some counselling. He needs to be tried as a juvenile and the sentence should take into account his emotional stability at the time. mcr said: And slice it any way you want to, but children just plain don't have the same critical thinking skills and judgment that adults do. They just don't. This is so true. They may know the difference between right and wrong, but to what extent? This isn't some gang-banging thug wanna-be. He wasn't running the streets.There is something going on with this little boy, and he is just that, a little boy. Or at least he was at the time. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that he deserves to be punished , but not as an adult in an adult court of law.

• I may agree with a lot of what was said, but it absolutely makes sense to me for a kid in rural PA to own a shotgun and hunt. And in reality, there probably is not a safer gun for a kid to start with. A handgun is actually more dangerous, I think. Don't turn it into a debate about gun control, it's not going to be fundamentally changed from our constitutional rights to own guns and teach kids to use them. Attack it from a different angle, it isn't about use of guns in general. If anything it's about 24 hour access to his own gun.

• God's Cop... basically what you said is not correct. An NRA member whether it be a father or yes even a mother would only allow their twelve year old to carry a gun in their presence.Only when hunting or at a shooting range with proper supervision. The guns should be locked up otherwise and unfortunately the gun was evidentally not locked up making it available for him to use. He was determined to kill her, in cold blood and a headshot so he definitely knew he was going to kill her. If he didn't use a gun it would have been something else. Look at the difference in his appearance with those photos , his prior appearance he seems like a normal kid...the photo taken after the tragedy he looks liek an evil brat that couldn't control himself and let himself take the gun and use it the same as he did when he hunted. He was mad and never considered the consequences for his actions. He couldn't handle himself and he only wanted what he wanted at that moment and that was to remove her out of his life because he was jealous...the girlfriend was pregnant with a boy and his father was paying more attention to the gf, her daughters and the baby on the way according to Jordan Brown. I do believe the father should be charged for the gun being available.

• Any white trash NRA card totting father will insist that it's o.k. for a 12 year old to carry a shotgun. Hey this is America folks!

• @Kathy I was trying to keep this discussion away from Gun Control. Criminals break the law... laws only affect the citizens who follow them... Take away guns, you take away the citizens power to defend themselves from government. Government is in place to serve the people, when we forget that, we become slaves to the system.

• I know that my 4 year old told me " mommy you know if you shot somebody with a gun then they gets dead and when they get dead they go to jail for a very long time. When they goes to jail they can't play and see mommy and daddy like they want to". So I know that if my 4 year old can tell me that then that 12 year old know damn well what he did and what will happen to him afterwards. But that's not the question. The question is should he get tried as an adult. That's what I want to know the answer to

• Thank you Andrew. Kathy, in a nation that has had laws where citizens had the right to bear arms for a long time, if we got rid of those laws now, only the bad people would own them. If we start the gun debate, we will just go in circles. I don't think that it is appropriate discussion for this story.

• I think it's very telling of the country he lives in that a an 11 year old child is given a gun and when he shoots someone they blame him and not the society that thinks owning a firearm is a right. Having guns as everyday household items is bad enough, but having them around children then dumping the responsibility on them when it inevitably goes wrong is a completely alien concept to most people here. Why is the father not being prosecuted for allowing a child access to a firearm? I hope the other children have been put into better care. Yet you will get a million and one people defending gun ownership when the truth is this woman and her baby would be alive now if there hadn't been one in that house, just like a million other cases. Sad world.

• @PMA Has anyone ever told you that it's really rude to type in all caps? Also, what Jenn was saying, the direction of the "shot" would be "away" from the shooter. It wouldn't necessarily mean that he would get any sort of blood on him. If they "did" find blood on his clothings, then that means he had to have some contact with the room after she was killed. Which means he either way, he was in the room after she had died...

• JENN AND NICOLE, VERY GOOD DETECTIVE WORK ASK YOU SELF IF HE SHOT THE GUN WOULD"NT THERE HAVE BEEN BLOOD AND RESIDUE ON THE CLOTHS HE WORE TO SCHOOL? THEY SAY THE BLANKET WAS WRAPPED AROUND THE BARREL OF THE GUN, IF TRUE ALSO THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN RESIDUE AND BLOOD ON THE BLANKET. THEY SUPPOSEDLY FOUND MICROSCOPIC TRACE OF BLOOD AND RESIDUE, PLUS THE RESIDUE IS TRANSFERRABLE, THE SMALL AMOUNT THEY FOUND ON HIS CLOTHS COULD HAVE COME FROM OTHER CLOTH THAT CAME IN CONTACT WITH HIS/ DON'T YOU THINK IF HE DID WHAT THEY SAY HE WOULD HAVE BEEN NERVOUS WHEN INTERVIEW. NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK. IT'S ALL NOT OUT YET LET'S WAIT AND SEE.

• Nicole, I'm not an expert, but I would think that from a shotgun, the blood would go in the same direction as the fragments of the bullet. I think that a shotgun has a spray pattern (it may depend on the type of bullet, so I'm not sure if all of the shells act in the same manner) therefore many fragments would enter the target. I would think those fragments would carry the blood in the direction they are traveling. I don't think he would necessarily have blood on his clothing.

• If they found GSR on his clothing then shouldn't they have found the step mom's blood splatter on the clothing as well. Shotgun to the head would be quiet messy wouldn't it?

• I just have to say thanks to Pete. I really enjoy the dabates when you leave the story open ended. A lot of the people on here have brought up some good points and it has stayed pretty much civil! PMA, I want to comment a little on what you said as far as evidence. They don't have much if any evidence of Casey Anthony murdering Caylee, that doesn't mean that they don't think it didn't happen. Also, gun shot residue will not be on the blanket that hid the gun. The GSR will only be on things that were near the gun when it was fired. I'm assuming that the gun was fired then placed under or on the blanket after.

• And slice it any way you want to, but children just plain don't have the same critical thinking skills and judgment that adults do. They just don't.

• Yeah...and are most women 4'11? Um, no...no they're not.

• Ok, Here's my two cents on this. The kid is 12. by 12 the child should know that there are consequences for his actions. Obviously a 12 year old knows that if they do something good they are rewarded, if they do something bad they are punished. My kids are raised around guns. My 8 year old knows to not point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything other than the ground. He understands that if a gun is pointed at a person and the trigger is pulled the person dies and that the one who pulled the trigger goes to jail forever. Now tell me how is it that an 8 year old comprehends this but a 12 year old doesn't? I don't believe in the saying "the child knew what they were doing was wrong but didn't understand the consequences". Good parenting is all about making sure that the children understand the consequences of their actions. No, this child's father should not have left any gun unsecured. And that is something he will have to live with. But the 12 year old needs to be held accountable for his actions. Should he be tried as an adult? That's not for me to say. MCR, you state that a grown woman can fight off an 11 or 12 year old with a knife. Are you sure? I'm 4'11 and my 8 year old is almost to my shoulders. By the time he is 12 he very well could be stronger and bigger than me.

• And Ryan, are you going for a record of how many times you can misspell the word "definitely"? Yep...and I'm the idiot.

• Ryan -- I'm not going to be dragged into your name calling bullshit. If you want to debate, debate. Don't call me an idiot.

• Everyone keeps basing their opinions on "Well, the boy knew what guns do. Yeah, no shit he knew what guns do. That's not the question here. The question is did he really know what he was doing? Did he realize that he was MURDERING somebody? Was he able to think ahead and realize that this was going to ruin everyone's lives, including his own? He's 12-years-old! There's no way he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. He's a child. And to the people who label murder an "adult crime," that doesn't make sense. Crime is crime. There's a reason we have two systems, one for adults and one for juveniles. This country has become too obsessed with trying children as adults. True, some of them need to be. My friend in high school, Wes McCool, was murdered by another kid I barely knew named Dominic Culpepper. Dominic was tried as an adult at 14-years-old and received a life sentence, which I support to this day. The difference? He planned this. He got some buddies who lured Wes to Nic's apartment and Nic was hiding with a t-ball bat, which he ended up beating Wes with until he died, then dragged his body to the woods behind his building. Jordan Brown, however, did this and then continued as if nothing happened, which to me says that he can't quite comprehend what it is to murder someone; to cover your tracks, try to hide the body...something. I honestly believe this kid deserves another chance. If he gets a life sentence, then what's next? An 8-year-old? This country is all about locking people up forever or not long enough. We have to find a balance and focus more on rehabilitation. You don't just give up in a 12-year-old.

• Oh man, another "gun control" one......ok maybe I shouldn't even get involved in this one being that I've definately voiced my opinion on several occasions about the subject. The kid is a sick evil little bastard. Plain and sinmple, keep him locked up until he's 18 then try him as an adult. If they have to charge him right now, try the bastard as an adult! His father is stupid for leaving guns unsecured at the house. But he's been raised to know how to hunt and use guns, so he knows weapon safety, and he knows what happens when you point a shotgun at a living thing and pull the trigger, it DIES. He knew that! To let this kid go would be a crime in itself. MCR, you're an idiot. Do you even think before typing? You said, "He knew what he was doing, sure, but I don't think he really understood the consequences of his actions" think about that......."HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING" BUT DIDN'T "UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES". EXACTLY!!! He KNEW he was killing another human being, he KNEW it was wrong but he just didn't think about the consequences about what kind of trouble he would be in. So are you saying the only reason not to commit a crime is because of the consequences, and not because it's just flat out wrong?! I love it when people like you try to make an argument like this, you set everyone like you back like 10 steps!

• Well this is a heart breaking story. But I feel as tho that the young boy knew what guns do and how to use it and he should be punished not saying it should be life but it should be some type of punishment. I know ppl may say he was emotinally disstressed but he still knows right from wrong and in that case ppl that have step parents or no parents at all shoould be killing.... lETS THINK ABOUT IT HE'S 12 NOT 2 HE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS.

• PEN. I AGREE WITH YOU THE GUN SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP. HOWEVER,YOUR ASSUMING HE SHOT HER, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ASSUMING. THERE IS MORE TO THE STORY THAN YOU REALIZE, THINGS AREN'T ALWAYS AS IT SEEMS, DOESN'T IT SURPRISE YOU THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AFTER ONE YEAR? YOU KNOW HOW THEY INTERRIGATE PEOPLE, THE WAY THEY TWIST QUESTONS. DON'T YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE TRIPED UP HIS ANSWERS BY NOW? THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH .

• Yep, I have to agree with PMA...Too many aspects of this story does not add up. I think that if they had any solid evidence, he would been charged already.Or maybe they are trying to build stronger case,or they have another person of interest...Wouldnt be surprised how this story plays out.

• Charge him as an adult. He chose to do an adult crime, he needs to do adult time. As for his family calling the little girls testimony not feasible, I understand they want to defend him, they don't want him in trouble but this is a very unstable, explosive little boy. That little girl has lost her mother, she will NEVER have her mother and unborn brother or sister back. How dare they hint that she is lying. Young kids often have a hard time remembering things right away especially when they have been traumatized. He knew the effects of what aiming a gun and pulling the trigger would do and he feels no remorse. I'm sure at his age he's saw enough t.v. shows and movies to know a bullet takes away a life forever. To his family I say this, let him be charged and let the courts get him the help YOU failed to get this angry boy. Had you done something sooner perhaps this woman and unborn baby would be alive right now and those little girls would have their mother. To turn a blind eye to his viciousness is only encouraging a monster to continue growing up just as he is, how many more does he need to kill before you face the truth of his actions now? Stop making excuses for him because you didn't help him before and you certainly aren't helping him now.

• He was 11 when this all happened. Why did he even own a shotgun? Even if he knew how to shoot one, it should have been locked up due to the fact there are other kids in the home, and his age. And how could he shoot, and kill a human being, then leave for school like nothing was wrong? There is a lot more to this story. No matter what, if he did do it, then he will have to pay for his actions.

• WHAT EVIDENCE ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT? THE BLANKET HAD A CIG BURN NO GUN RESIUDE, IT FUNNY HOW THE LITTLE GIRL DIDNT HEAR A LOUD NOISE THE DAY SHE WAS INTERVIEWED HOWEVER AFTER LIVING WITH GRAND MA ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE HEARD A LOUD NOISE. YOU CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT THE PAPERS SAY, THEY SAY HE KILLED HER, AND YET HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO PROVE, IT'S BEEN A YEAR, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? MEAN WHILE THIS KID IS LOCKED UP. NO RESIDUE, NO BLOOD, NO FINGER PRINTS, NO WITNESS, SHOW ME THE PROOF AND MAKE IT UP. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE CITY ATTORNIES. I do feel bad for the family? STOP MAKING UP REASONS HE SUPPOSED HAVE HAD, YOU AND I NEED FACTS.

• HOW CAN YOU GIVE AN OPINION OF A CASE IF YOU DON'T KNOWTHE FACTS. JUST BECASUE HE HAD A GUN DOSEN'T MEAN HE KILLED SOMEONE. LOSTS OF PEOPLE HAVE GUNS AND DON'T KILL. I HAVE BEEN TO ALL THE HEARINGS AND THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE, ONLY SPECULATION. EVIDENCE OR LACK OF WILL DETERMINE THE OUTCOME, UNTIL THEM HE IS NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING. wHAT ABOUT THE THOUGHT THAT AN INNOCENT KID HAS BEEN LOCKED UP FOR EXCESS OF A YEAR. WHAT ABOUT HIS LIFE? WITH ALL THE INTERVIEWS THE POLICE AND DRS. HAD WITH HIM DON'T YOU THINK THAT IF HE DID IT , HE WOULD HAVE CONFESSED BY NOW. HE'S WAS 11 YRS OLD, NOT A GENIUS. HE SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN HIS SIDE, WHICH WILL COME UP AT THE HEARING. IF HE IS FOULD GUILTY , YES HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED.

• Charge the little fucker as an adult. He is rotten and will grow up to be even worse. A true danger to society...

• I THINK THIS KID SHOULD BE CHARGED AS AN ADULT AND RECEIVE THE MAX. HE CHOSED TO PICK UP THAT GUN AND KILL HER, THEN HE NEEDS TO SUFFER HE ACTUALLY KILLED 2 PEOPLE!!!!!

• there just going to let him get away with it .. just like a few years ago when two young boy aht the age of 13 & 12 took there fathers& grandads guns and took a car and went to there ELEMENTRY school and pulled the fire alarm and waited for childre to come out and randomly shot and children and teacher killing and hurting them. they went to juvinille and noww there out wiht nothing on there record free to go

• At the age of 11 this kid killed. if we put him in juvie til he's 21, that means his first half of his life was spent normally, and the second half of his life is spent institutionalized. i think time is relevant in the matter of his punishment. when he's 21 if he gets out then, that's half of his life spent being incarcerated. what kind of individual would come out of that in any way normal? i think the kid should have mental help. it's obvious to me that the kids has something intrinsically wrong with his thought processes! the problem is, he won't likely get the couseling, treatment and rehabilitation he needs to become someone we would want back into society. Difficult call at best. of course, we could take a similar case of the preacher's wife, Mary Winkler, who served 2 entire months in a looney bin and now has custody of her kids and all the money that was given for their well being. just where was the justice there? marie, once again hugs, baby girl! even though you endured such hardships as a child, you seem absolutely compassionate and caring and normal! i love when people tell stories about rising above their fate in life! btw, having just divorced someone that came here from germany to marry me, i do believe that the german modern people have some very controlling self centered behaviors. i don't think that they view relationships like the rest of us. it's more like a relationship to them is control priveledges over others. it's a shame, as i love germany and i love my german heritage, but they all do have some strange controlling nature...at least those that i've met.

• C.C., Lol the reason I'm so honest is that's the only way people can learn. Well, I wouldn't say the only way, but one of them. Why should I lie about things? Most of what has happened to me wasn't my fault, so I tell about my experiences in the hopes it opens peoples eyes, even if its just one. My "father" and step-mom divorced about 10 years ago now. Wow! Such a long time ago! At first, her hatred wasn't so obvious to others. At Christmas time, she would shower either me or my sister with gifts while the other got one or two things. She wasn't outwardly hateful to us around others. As we got older it changed. She would call us fat, we were useless. She was from Germany and one time when her family came to visit, her parents and sister were really nice to us, treated us like we were their own. She said, in english so we could understand her, that they didn't have to be so nice to brats like us, and she wished we weren't there. One summer her a my father got into a huge fight about how I got away with everything (not quite sure what she meant!) and he grabbed me up off the floor and took me into the room and beat me while she blocked the door so my sister couldn't get in. After they were done, she put furniture in front of my door so I couldn't get out and my sister couldn't get in. Sometimes I have flashbacks and can still hear my sister screaming and crying to let her in, that she loved me, and after they were done that she was sorry she didn't protect me. One time she was cleaning and wouldn't let us out of our room. We woke up and what is the first thing you need to do in the morning? Pee. She wouldn't let me out and after trying to hold it for over 4 hours, I couldn't hold it anymore. I got into trouble big time for that. But it was kinda funny to see her hard work on the floors was wasted! She was also big on eating everything on your plate or you had to keep eating it every meal til it was gone. She made really good stuffed-peppers, although I hate green peppers. I would eat the stuff inside it, but not the peppers. I remember all I got to eat for a week was the leftover green pepper. The summer after my fifth grade year, they told us that they were taking us to the Bahama's and DisneyWorld for missing birthdays and Christmas' and him not payin child support. They had just built a really nice, expensive house in an uppity suburb of Colorado Springs. They told us if we helped finish the yard and everything we would get money every time we worked. Now, going from northeast Kansas to Colorado Springs is hard enough (climate wise) but then you add in the fact that I have asthma, yea it was hell. But I worked my butt of. They told us we had each earned about $400 to spend. We got to Ft. Lauderdale, and she turned back into Satan. She was hateful and rude. She made me cry in a restaurant because I wanted a cheeseburger instead of pizza. We got onto the cruise ship to go to the Bahama's and it was more hell! We were raised to say please, thank you, no ma'ma, all that. We also didn't get pop to drink when we ate out (all this we were rules taught from my mom and dad) so we asked if we could have one with dinner. We said thank you and she yelled at us "you don't have to keep f***ing saying thank you all the f***ing time!" Right in the middle of a classy cruise ship restaurant! Needless to say, we didn't finish our food! The same went on the whole 10 days we were in the Bahama's. They went scuba diving all day while we made friends with the employees. I got really sick when we were over there and she got mad at me because I ruined the vacation! Not my ideal vacation to be taken away by ambulance in "paradise". She yelled at us in restaurants and made us cry. Belittled us to the point we didn't want to go anywhere then yelled at us more cause we didn't want to do anything! Our fater took us down to the beach and told us the real reason for our vacaction. It wasn't for me and my sister, it was for the bitch, as we came to call her. We left the Bahama's and went to Orlando. While we were there, my sister got a really bad ear infection, so we had to take her to a doctor. Yea, bitch wasn't happy about that. You would think as a nurse, she would have been more compassionate! We went to DisneyWorld and it should have been the time of our lifes right? WRONG! Once again, hell! We had to go on the rides she wanted to go on, eat where she wanted to eat, and leave when she wanted to leave. We had to sneak away to ride the teacups then got in trouble, but it was worth it! She literally dragged me screaming and kicking onto Space Mountian. I hate roller coaters because she made me go on one when I was really young and it scared the crap out of me. She knew I hated them, but didn't care. I actually love that ride and wanted to go on it again, but of course she didn't! I think I liked it so much cause its in the dark and I can't see what's going on! And all that money we had worked for? Yea, nothing. I got my hair braided in dredlocks and my sister got a shirt in the Bahahma's. I got mickey ears and she got minnie ears and we got pencils from DisneyWorld. In all, they might have spent $150 on us. The employees at the motel in the Bahama's gave us a bunch of stuff to bring back. The last time I saw her was that summer. A neighbor, who was single and dating a lady with 3 kids from a previous marriage, was having supper with us. He asked how to deal with kids from a previous relationship and she answered "don't do it. They will ruin your live and they are all brats. Look at these two. Worthless fat slobs who can't do anything right. Do not do it." We were on the phone with our mom and she heard it all. She told us to give our father the phone and we heard her yelling and cussing at him. She was there to get us in about 8 hours. We never had to go back and we never saw Satan again. We would always tell our mom and she would tell the courts, but they said without "proof" there wasn't anything they could do and the custody agreement stuck. But after that last summer, she told the courts she wasn't sending us back there. They held a hearing and we told them what happened and they said we didn't have to go back anymore. It was great hearing that! Last I heard, she remarried and had kids. I always knew the reason she couldn't stand us was we were always a link to our mom for our father and he had a vesecitmy (probably not spelled right!) after my mom was pregnant with me and wouldn't have it reversed so they could have kids! I'm really glad he didn't cause now I have no reason to keep her in my life! I'm not really into contact with my father anymore. Not just because of this, but mainly. He never stopped it and always made excuses for her. Also, his family blames it all on her, but none of it on him and that just pisses me off! As our father he should have done something. Our step-dad, who you may notice I keep calling dad, is my dad and the only one I need. He has been there since I was 2 and has been at every major milestone in our lives. He has never treated us any different then the way he treats our "half" brother, his only biological child. I have often thought about writing a book, C.C! But there are somethings I don't want out in the world and people I want to protect. Sorry it was such a long comment and a little of subjec! Those are just a handful of things I, unfortunately, can remember. I have often thought of making an email seperate from my regular one and giving it out on here so I could keep in contact with some one you and we could discuss things about stories and whatnot that way it doesn't take up room for others and venture off from the story! Maybe one of these days I might just do that!

• Wow, those two photos of him show such a big difference in his facial expressions. The first photo, he looks like a normal sweet boy. That second photo he looks like a scary kid to be around. Looks like he is downright mad at the world. He needs to be held accountable for what he did. All the evidence links to him. Since he was a hunter, he knew extremely well what using a gun would do. He took a woman who was in bed and shot her in the head, isn't that how hunters kill ...head shots? I don't know how he was treated by his dad or by her, but by the sound of it he had jealousy he couldn't control and therefore he really needs tons of counseling/therapy! He shouldn't ever be allowed to own guns, that right should be taken away from him whenever he's back out socializing in the future. I'd never want to meet up with him or have anyone I know ever meet him in the future. He definitely snapped, what a scary looking kid.

• marie heck, You know Marie every time it seems that you post a statement, your stories are honest and interesting. I am going to ask, you don't have to answer. What happened to your Step-Mother? Did your Mom know about the abuse to you and your sister? Did your real dad know? Did your Step-Mother ever go to Jail for it? Did you tell anyone as a child? You need to write a book!!!!!!!!!!!! Great Comments, always glad to read what you write.

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