Shannie thanks for sharing your story. Have you ever considered going around to the middle / high schools and sharing it with kids that really need to hear it?

Who is P.R.? I thought her name was Phoebe Prince? Shouldn't it be P.P.?

It was an error on my part, on the original story I left a post to correct my typo.
RIP P.P.

....guess not.

What's the matter Cheryl, are your feelings hurt because Shannie didn't respond to your question?

hmmn.. interesting.. are we supposed too feel sympathy for you shannie? all sounds very self indulgent to me. not once have you said how much pain you really caused the people you bullied you only whinged about how sorry you feel about yourself for doing it.. yawns..

When I was in high school I was bullied only once or twice in my freshman year. A very popular and goodlooking girl named Peggy was picking on me in study hall before our lunch period. She started to torment me accusing me of being gay...all the other popular kids just laughed and followed her. At that point I looked down, then calmly looked at her with a half smile and told her that "I am not gay, and I am sorry you must have thought so because I would never even think of even getting a hand-job from such a skank as you...but that doesn't make me gay, just selective". From that day forward I became well liked and Peggy became less of a factor in the social circles. I ended up being voted most popular in my sophmore and senior years in school. I always made it a point to be nice and accepting of the shy and socially inept peers. Just the way I was brought up.

Hey at least she grew up and feels remorseful about the way she acted. I'm sure she isn't looking for sympathy, just relating to the story, isn't that what these lame blogs are all about? Bullying is a part of growing up whether you are the bully, or the bullied. I think it's about time someone on here stepped up and said that they were the bully once upon a time and they've changed. Violet maybe Shannie doesn't know how much pain she caused anyone, maybe she didn't even realize what an asshole she WAS until years later but she is acknowledging the fact that she was an asshole. Shows me that people do stupid things when we're young, and some people learn. I'll admit, there were some people I teased when I was a little kid, just like I was teased at times, it's a part of being a kid and learning sometimes you have to stand up for yourself. Unfortunately there are people that won't let up like the girls in this story. You should give Shannie a break at least she's adult enough to admit the error of her ways. Or do you just want to bully her some more? How 'bout that?!

Mike P,
Good story

well each to their own. but i still don't really have that much sympathy for it.
fair enough she has acknowledged it. but i also agree with cheryl if it pains her so much to this day what a horrible bully she was then go and do something positive about it.everyone has picked on or been picked on as a kid that's called growing up.some just take it way too far.
hmmmn i am being such a bully for having my opinion ryan.. my bad.

This is just some narcissist's lame attempt to play devil's advocate and it doesn't convince me.

When she wrote the lines, "I even gave a girl in my group of friends an eating disorder" and "if I had the internet when I was I school(mid-90's)I may have been a headline.", I felt like she was bragging! Give me a break.

I knew this would happen! Cheryl, my apologies I couldn't respond sooner. And Deena and violet, this has nothing to do with sympathy and it is not made up. Do I wish it was? Yes because I would have more friends and less regret. I don't know what part of "I feel horrible" you don't understand. I'm not one bit proud and I'm not bragging. I moved to the city after high school, and a few years gone I went home and stopped @ a local 7-11 and a girl walked right up to me a yelled "You Bitch,F-You Bitch!!", then shoulder shoved me and walked out. I was not shocked after I remembered who she was and the way I used to treat her, and @ that moment I was embarrassed and felt ashamed and had only myself to blame. When I am with young girls nowadays I try to get a feel if they are the bully type or the quiet type and either way I try to give them advice and warning...But the thing with teen girls is they don't want to hear it, I didn't. These girls who bullied Phoebe, they have no clue what kind of growing up is coming their way, this is a game to them and its sad cause,nobody wins. They don't see the consequences, be legal or moral, but when they do they will get more than they paid for. Ryan and Cheryl thanks for getting it and thanks Pete.

I just want to add that I didn't just walk the halls a rogue bully. It is a group effort, and that's what makes it so dangerous. There were times where I felt bad for someone when they got singled out by my friends and either went along with it or just did nothing because my social status was more important than being human. . Mike P you did the right thing, you stood up for yourself. I had kids in my school just like you that I left alone cause I knew I couldn't treat you like that. But not everybody has that in them and they should not be walked on and bullied because of it. I thought they were weak but I was weak because I couldn't stand on my own.

Shannie,

I don't think your comment was to make others feel sorry for you or whatever. I too shared my own bullying stories on the orignal story. It wasn't to get sympathy or anything, it was just to share that I too had gone threw it. And if it makes you feel any better about sharing this comment, a girl who was just like you in high school with me, has apologized to me for the way she was. She wasn't exactly the intisgater, but she went along with it, which is just as bad. Actually she said she wished she would have gotten to know me better because she had more in common with me than the "popular" girls.

It takes a lot for a bully to share their story on a story like Phoebe's. And your right, these girls probably have no idea what kind of life they are going to lead now, and for right now, they probably don't care. They think their sh@t doesn't stink and they are still cool. But one of these days, hopefully sooner than later, they will wake up and realize what they have done. Not just to Phoebe, but other people as well.

Thank you for sharing your story. It sounds like you have learned and grown up.

No Marie thank you.

mikep

cool story bro

Pete Kotz said:

I agree, Marie. Her story sounds like genuine contrition to me too.

Bullying starts at home!

A friend of mine has coached soccer for years and is great with kids. His adaughter and this girl Mary were best buddies for years. Mary's dad did nt like where Mary played on the team, he wanted her to play offense even though he always screamed at her when she made a mistake.

So he went off and created a new team, lied to parents to build a team etc etc. My friend had no problem with that, good for him he said I am glad he is interested in doing more. However, Mary started to treat her former BFF like a leper before this new team was announced, she would walk away when coach's daughter saat down to talk to her, ignore her when Mary was with her new buds, never call for a play date when she said she would - treated like leper. Well my friend guessed that Mary was hearing a lot of crap at home about the coach - which was confirmed by another family who were visiting and heard it all! Mary's dad was bad mouthing the coach in front of his own kids, the visiting kids and the parents of visiting kids.

Now Mary and Coach's daughter who used to be BFF's rarely talk all because the dad was an Axx. My friend was devestated at the way his daughter was treated by Mary (former BFF's). Did I mention they were ten and nine?

It all starts at home - Shannie your were missing self esteem or other and took it out on others. Unless you go to schools and talk about your message - your posting is a waste of time

Bullying is caused by three things primarily.

First the frontal lobs and the parts of the brain for empathy have not yet developed.
Second teenagers are flooded with testosterone. Even the females to a certain degree, which leads to aggression.
Third to weed out the weak and different and create a strong breeding population and a group that can survive.

Since many teenagers cannot help being this way adults need to keep the under firm control.

Lobes, not lobs.

Ryan is trying to bully posters he disagrees with.

Is that so chris? Ok, if you say so.

What's the matter Chris? Feeling bullied because I like to argue my opinion? Awww this IS a blogging site isn't? I mean that's what it's here for. If you don't like what people have to say, then don't go on a blogging site. I think everyone I've disagreed with has voiced their opinion right back at me. That's exactly why I get on here, #1 to pass the time and #2 to voice my opinion and if I think someone is way off in their method of thinking I find it amusing that they take my opinion so seriously as to make their whole posting about me. So thank you for taking the time out to show me you follow me so closely and are so concerned with my views on various subjects.

Seriously i think you people should stop talking about your bullying stories and fight for the ones who are being bullied at this moment get reall !

I think that by revealing the stories you are helping, the conversation alone creates awareness. If I could walk into a H.S.and ask to talk to kids, I'm pretty sure It wouldn't just happen because there is protocol to follow. Ryan I don't know ya but, I love ya. Your unapologetic stance is quite refreshing and thought producing. The point of these posts are to put it out there, and start a conversation to better understand the problem.

Back at ya Shannie

It's the pack mentality. That's why packs are dangerous, whether it be animal or humans. There are so many studies that show people doing the "wrong" thing when in a group. I remember one study where they had a subject in a room full of people saying 2+2=5, most of the subjects agreed that was correct because the whole group said it was correct.

I am starting to agree with you beyonn. Stories are great but they are not stopping the bullying in the schools. Telling these stories are therapeutic for the bullied and the remorseful bullier. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how one might help stop bullying in our schools?

I agree CC and beyonn, I don't have kids but if I did @ school age I would stress to always "stick up for yourself" and tell your parents if your having a hard time. Stories are great but unless Pete Kotz wants to start a True Crime Revolution and take it to the streets and schools (up for it Pete?), beyond this site we can only share experiences and learn. There are organizations we can all join that are local and I for one am going shopping for the that I can offer myself to best.

That is not fair to ask Pete Kotz, he was nice enough to allow your story and others on this website. What I was talking about, we(the general public) should try to do something, not just talk about bullying in schools. Come up with some ideas????????

To think that "society" can do something about bullying is just ignorant. That's like never having a talk about the birds and the bees with your kids but rather leaving it up to the schools. How about parents just get more involved with what your kids are doing? How many parents really go to those "Parent Nights" at schools? Or take the time to ask the teachers what their kid is like while at school. Maybe parents should be teaching their kids about bullying, "don't be a bully, and if you are bullied, stand up for yourself and others being bullied". Stop trying to blame society, and saying "something need to be done". Bullying will ALWAYS be around, I'll say time and time again that it's a part of growing up, and it's up to the individual parents to be proactive in their kid's life.

I don't know about you but when I have a kid I would much rather teach him/her about life and what to expect and how to act like a decent human being , then when/if they experience bullying, they use what I've taught them. In the end the bullying experience will probably add to his/her character.

OR

Someone could just blindly send their kid to school, expecting society and the "general public" to raise their kid, then one of two things will happen. #1 the kid comes along a bullying situation and doesn't know how to react to it (whether it be becoming a bully or the bullied). Or #2 the kid goes all through school being sheltered from every problem normal kids are supposed go through then when they go out into the world, they become ultimate failures because they have always been taught that everything will be ok.

whatever happened to dodging fire? I mean...its all good and well, every school has bully's, whether it be boy or girl. The point is, I went through this throughout my 4 years in high school, being bullied and what not only happened the first year. I quickly learned where they hung out and stayed far away from it...You'll notice that the kids who bully are a SMALL fraction of the students in the school who try to avoid the bullies. Once you find this out, you'll realize that these "bullies" only really congene in the same spot...everyday...doing the same thing...before you know it, they're bagging your groceries. LMAO. thats how far bullying got them, now they ask me if I want paper or plastic and I have to yell at them to package my groceries correctly. My, how the tables have turned.

Ryan,
Well Ryan as usual you jump the gun and attack people. Yes parents should talk to there children about bullying. What I am suggesting is that perhaps there could be a proposal written up against bullying and with enough signatures maybe our indivdual state schools will be forced to take action.
“The pen is mightier than the sword"

Ryan,
What do you think society is? Parents, schools the public that is affected by the bullying, The media that reports bullying and the pubilic that reads about it. That is Society. And Stop bullying people by calling them names.

CC, I was using humor about Pete using TCR to get a task team together, sorry if you took it wrong. There really are many in school programs to cut-out bullying in schools across the US. But like these girls who caused the demise of Phoebe, a lot of the torturing gets carried out on the internet and the schools/teachers (who get almost no pay) can not be expected to police each student beyond the schools walls. If some kid girl/boy wants to bully another they will find a way to. Kids may be dumb but their not a stupid as we think. If you were to ask any of the faculty about me in HS the would sing praises, its not always the spectacle people think it is. And not all asshole bullies pump gas or check out groceries, if they grew up they do hold prestigious titles contribute to humane causes and so on. Just like all nerd, losers dirt bags and such go on to the same high profile careers, reason being- life goes on, and people change. Except for Ryan his job as a gun jumper is lame. :) just joshin' Ry

I was never a bully, and was popular in high school. in fact I was tormented by a mean girl and her friends. Thankfully I had great freinds who had my back and was able at a young age to realize how sad this girl was. (Came to find out years later she had a messed up childhood, not that it make it OK, she also ended up a alcoholic) She physically tried to hurt me as well as taunted me, spread nasty rummers about me, talked about to everyone, said cruel and evil things to me in front of other. What saved me is my freinds, I had a great network of girls who were my real freinds...and although everyone was scared of this girl and never stood to her in fear that they would be her next target, I knew that she was evil and thankfully she was a grade above me and eventually graduated. A few of her mean girl friends friended me on FB (I graduated high school a LONG time ago in 89) and I was shocked they would even "freind" me...since I am a person with forgiveness I accepted their requests and was suprised at the remorse they expressed for being part of it. They too were in fear of her wrath and went along with her all out of fear. I chat with one of them all the time now and she is a good friend. The Evil one is also on FB but has her profile on complete privacy so no one can even find her in a search. I am sure it is because I was only one of many of her targets and she is remorsefull and knows how many people she harmed. We lived at a boarding school..we had to live together as well as go to school together. She put Nair in one girls leave in conditioner, she peed into a girls hairspray, She intentionally threw lacross balls at my face in practice (often) when the coach wasn't looking, She spread rumors about me being a slut and that I had abortions that I slept with the entire football team etc.. She was EVIL and that is just what I remember off the top of my head as I type. I feel horribly that this young beautiful girl would take her own life, and that some group of immature girls would torment her to feel that as her only way out. It is sad and tragic...she had a life to live and is gone. The girls responsible for this will live with that on thier shoulders forever, even if they are now still posting mean things..deep down (unless they are truly psycopathic) it will haunt them forever. I hope that the school steps up to addressing the severity of Bullying since from what I have read this is not an isolated issue at this school. It is a shame and what they have done will never get to be fixed. My thoughts are out for her family and all of her friends. As a freind of anyone who is getting bullied...PLEASE be there for your friend. If you see someone getting bullied...STAND UP FOR THEM. If you are scared of being a target as a result of that then just BE THERE for that person. Having a good support system can avoid many tragadies.

C.C.,
Please tell me how I have "jumped the gun" and exactly who did I attack? I'm reading over my posts now and I don't see it, so just so you don't look like a jackass for posting something I didn't do, I'll prove you right and start with you. Jackass. And call it what you want "name calling" or "bullying" but I think it's just calling it like it is, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, must be a duck.....or jackass. Take your pick.
Now, your solution to bullying is a proposal written up against bullying with enough signatures so that our indivdual state schools will be forced to take action. Is that really your solution?! WOW..........way to go Jackass. Please enlighten us, what "action" can be "forced" that will prevent a kid from getting bullied by another kid? Hmm? You want your kid to go through life in a fantasy world where everything is just perfect and puppy dogs and candy canes huh? Well in a perfect world that might happen, but guess what, this is real life, and in real life children face challenges, obstacles, problems that sooner or later they are going to have to deal with, and unless their parents teach them how to behave or how to handle the unpredictable situations life will throw at you they will fall flat on their face (in a matter of speaking). What are all of your signatures going to do to stop bullying? Are your signatures going to hold your kids hand everywhere they go and protect them from everything including their own shadow?
Befor you make a lame attempt at attacking me, look back at what you posted, you said "Come up with some ideas". And I did, my idea was for parents to become more involved with their kids and teach them about life and how to act like a decent human being. Your "idea" was what? SIGNATURES?! Wow, way to go........signatures, oh yeah and "force the schools to take action"?! Ok how about being a little more specific, WHAT KIND OF ACTION?! WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR IDEA?!
One last thing to end my rant, why did you put the quote "The pen is mightier than the sword"? Are you insinuating that I was suggesting that our kids go out there and start swinging everytime they are confronted with a bully? I don't really understand why you quoted that.
Ahhhh I feel better thanks, I needed to cut loose on someone with their head up their ass.

Ryan,
1)You need to read back over what you typed Jackass,
2)To think that "society" can do something about bullying is just ignorant.
3)What's the matter Cheryl, are your feelings hurt

These nasty remarks you posted above are just on this topic, you are on other stories that people complain about your bad remarks also.
Oh, Ryan I spoke to soon. My Proposal I was talking about; You know the one you have criticized. There is a young women that posted her Website for signatures to stop bullying in schools. I will find it and post so you can sign it. She posted it on TCR for us to sign and put our e-mail addresses on it. Thank you Ryan, Now I know why I keep fighting for the underdog.

Ryan,
This is your other comment I forgot and the website I told you about.

Ryan Said: "Fred, you're the "fucking toolbag"

http://wp.me/pNcVc-i

C.C.
So I called that method of thinking ignorant....and? it IS ignorant, I'm not going to change what I believe because you don't like my view. And so what I was asking Cheryl if her feeling were hurt........AND?!
Now on to your "proposal", HOW WILL SIGNATURES STOP BULLYING IN SCHOOLS?! You still have not answered that, the only thing you expect to happen is with enough signatures the bullying will magically stop. WHAT ARE THE SIGNATURES FOR? What law/rule/code will the signatures put in place? Sure you can get a bunch of people to agree on something, well without a solution it's pointless! I gave you a solution to the problem.
I can have a flat tire on a car, and get a million signatures of people who will agree with me that the tire is flat and something needs to get done to get the car moving again, but until someone gives me a solution (Change the tire out for a new one) then we'll just continue to sit and stare and agree the tire is flat. Do you get what I'm saying? Or are you too thick and just hung up on me being a "bully". You can be book smart all day long and sit there and argue that I'm not articulating myself enough for a valid argument, but I have something 90% of the people on here don't, COMMON SENSE, and life experience, and being that it obviously means so much to you people the piece of paper that says I'm now educated from a higher institution is on it's way. And I REALLY see the difference between people like me and others who have always been sheltered, and learned all their life lessons from behind a book. Call me a bully all you want, you sir, or ma'am are a tool.

P.S. Fred was a "fucking toolbag" I call it like I see it.

Ryan - 1
C.C. - 0

I win.

C.C., did you actually go to that site? I haven't so I don't really know much about it, but any website with the top level domain of ".me" is a website registered in Montenegro. What would someone in Montenegro or anywhere in Europe be doing with a petition to stop bullying in American schools? I'm just curious. Personally, I don't click on just any link that these people put on here. Sometimes they are scams or are full of viruses and worms.

Jenn,
You Know you could be right. But you have to admit it is a good idea. I have Printed these post and the Article about this story to my Professor at School. He already knows about the story. Dr. Hill told us that because there is so much of this bullying in schools, the schools will be forced to change their procedures on how to handle bullying, the schools will look towards legal action. Their talking about Fining Parents and Jail time.
Ryan, You know what you won, The Biggest Posting Bully Award. Congratulations!!!!!!

Awwww it's ok C.C. some day you might win at something too, just keep up the hard work, and stick with whatever it is you're good at, and one day you too can be a winner. I just LOVE the fact that you come to a blogging site and call anyone who argues their opinion is bullying. Tell me what isn't bullying to you? How sheltered of a life have you lived?! If I were a bully I would just pick a random person and just start picking on them for no apparent reason, I wouldn't even mention any views on whatever article is being commented on, no I would just go straight at that person for no reason at all. HERE I have voiced my opinion, YOU are just ticked off because I said your method of problem solving is ignorant. Toughen up your skin C.C.
Obviously you're a college student, no doubt at some extreme left wing school, because you have the idea stuck in your head that whatever problems you have look to the system, they'll fix it. Don't teach your kids about how to handle life's problems, let the school system do it, when your kid has a problem get mad at the system because you didn't raise you kid to be able to handle anything. Rely on the schools to teach your kids about sex, do everything you can so that when your kid turns out completely screwed up you can blame everyone but yourself.
Keep thinking the way you do C.C. and keep calling people who want to voice their opinion to you when you ask for it bullies, because the more kids that grow up with your mentality that society will fix all of your problems for you, the less compition there will be out in the real world when it comes to getting a job, or succeeding in general.

Ryan - 2
C.C. - 0

I win again.

Going over that last part I wrote, it's kinda confusing sorry, oh well, I made my point way back, I don't need to justify myself.

Well arguing my opinion with all of you helped pass the time this week thank you. And I'll be back haha!
Cheers!

Fine the parents!! That is just mad. If they had a hand in it maybe but if you really think that way then all the murders should be in their cells right next to their mommies. My parents were clueless to my actions the went to all my softball games, went to see me cheer, and were active in my school, and they should be fined for me being a little self righteous bitch! Please.

Shannie,

Sorry, but that last part, where you called yourself a "little self-righteous bitch" was kinda funny! And kudos for you to have the balls, so to speak, to recognise what you were! I also agree that its not just the parents fault. True, some parents know and just don't give a crap. But not all parents are like that. Like you said, if parents are to blame for everything, then mommy and daddy should be in prison if their child has killed, raped, or harmed another in any way. Sometimes people are just mean and/or evil. Its no one fault, that's just how they are.

I think I'm gonna go on a klepto spree and when I'm caught, I'm gonna blame it on my parents not buying me enough name-brand clothes and whatnot. Think it will fly?!?!?! I'm 25, but hey, my parents are to blame!

Ryan,
When you get back to work Monday you will have a lot of catching up to do. You keep saying I am calling everyone a “bully.”You keep saying that so you will not be singled out, you have been sigled out by everyone all by yourself. I have called no one a Bully, but you. I am not upset with what you called me and as far as you opinion that's Okay as well. You are the one who attacks everyone who disagrees with you or you seek out people to argue with. Your right Ryan that's not bullying, your just rude. You live in a very small world and you are the center of it. Sad very Sad.

Thank you Marie for seeing that its not always the parents fault for snotty bully kids. If it sheds any light on the matter the girls I hung out with were more of an influence on my behavior than anyone. I know I looked up to my Mom and Dad but what teen girl want to go to school saying" my mommy this my daddie that" you go to school and you find friends and activities that you fit in. My parents being charged for bullying is ridiculous!
Ryan I live to read your posts (sorry CC) oh my god you get people so pissed you must just sit back and laugh. The thing is you have valid points in each of them and your not a bully by any means. Thanx all you guys it makes feel better that someones getting it.

Hahaha thanks Shannie,
Good point about the fact that even though parents can be involved in their kids lives but still have no clue (your story). Kinda brings me back to my point that bullying will happen regardless and it's up to parents to prepare their kids to be at either end of the spectrum. And yeah, fine the parents?! Ummmm no. Unless it's proven they had a hand in it or something like that.

C.C.
Ahhhh C.C. I think you are one of my favorites to reply to, thank you for amusing me. Honestly I could care less if I'm singled out, it's quite flattering actually, makes other people say "hmmm I wonder what the big fuss over Ryan's comments are, I think I'll read them and find out" so PLEASE single me out! Hahahaha. Next, YES I do attack everyone who disagrees with me because in my opinion, a lot of people's thinking can be viral, and dangerous (in my opinion) and I do like to argue my point with people, maybe you just aren't used to someone standing by what they say, sorry my stubborness must be the Irish blood, suck it up and get over it. If you perceive me as being rude, again, tough, no one was born with the right not to be offended. I may live in a very small world but it's Ryan's world and I LOVE it here.

I would have to say these girls are most DEFINATELY evil. Turns out, after she killed herself, they left MORE nasty comments about her on a facebook dedicated to her. THat's pretty evil. They feel no remorse and don't have enough decency to respect the deceased, who happens to be a young lovely girl who took her own life becuase of the torture THEY put her through. They sounds like real sociopaths: a person, as a psychopathic personality,..... who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Crystal I'm not trying to bully you but by calling those girls evil is just a generic term for feeling empathy These girl acted in way that I'm sure that their parents are ashamed and mortified by. But the act of evil - are you with out sin- is your life so squeaky clean you call these young, stupid,jealous teen girls that are actually- kids!! What did was an evil thing but that does not make them evil little girls. Oh and before you go calling people and/or teens sociopath and throwing out your psyche 101 psycho babble why don't you see that people may act one way in a crowd and different with an another PS how would know the face book post were from the bullies in question I guess they don't teach fact checking In psyche 101.

Shannie,

Just the thought of people always saying "fine the parents! Blame the parents" is laughable at best! Yes, true parents are who children are influenced by first, but they do grow up. They learn from friends and peers. Kids are impressionable and sometimes, they don't always pick the best people to mirror. I mean, that chick of that show "Jersey Shoer" calls herself a role model! Yea, like I want my 4 year old daughter looking up to her! Why not just let kids look up to Charles Manson or Ted Bundy while we're at it?!?! Yes I know, bad example, but come on! Unless they could prove that the parents are to blame (i.e. they themselves are bullies) then I don't think its gonna work. I ask my daughter everyday how was school, what did she have for lunch, did she get to play outside, was she good. Her answers are usually always the same. School was fun, I can't remember what I had for lunch but I drank all my chocolate/plain milk, yes/no we played outside (it depends on the weather), and yes/no I was good (some days she is, some days she isn't). Do I think she will always be like that? No. I'm sure there will be days in the future she will lie to me (no homework, I did good, etc etc), and then again she might tell me the truth. I can only hope that she takes what I teach her, learn from others mistakes, and grow into a wonderful young lady. But, if I ever find out that she is being bullied or is a bully, we are gonna have major issues!

Marie heck I love your posts. They're clear and to the point. There was a girl@ my school who lived a few houses down, very smart very pretty and dressed well. She was in the popular crowd in the year above me. But she was never cruel besides indulging in gossip(who doesn't). But I knew her home life and it was tragic, she may have well just parented herself. So long story longer, perfect parent don't raise perfect kids and vise versa. Today my parents very proud of me and proud of the way I treat people, I was never evil I just did evil things. Your child will be just fine I KNOW it. Thanks marie heck.

Shannie, I grew up with a "Shannie" named Jill. She was after me and hated me from day one. She had a younger brother and sister, and older brother in my graduating class. She had an older sister above me. They all bullied me in some degree or another.

Jill was a bitch. She physically and verbally assaulted me, calling me every vile name she could think of. Once she and a friend chased me to the back of a field behind my house and kicked me, instructing her friend to "goose" me. She chased me so hard I couldn't even get into my house.

She and her family was one of quite a few "Shannies" because my father built a house next to a bicycle path that served as an express route into the subdivision next to ours. He was trying to keep kids off of our lawn and I was following suit with my father. Those kids didn't care that black strip of land that served as a dividing line between our property and my neighbor's property was private property.

At the beginning of your entry I had trouble believing you when you said you were sorry. I had trouble reading your entry because it sounded like you were bragging. You had remorse that one of your victims resorted to suicide as a result of your cruelty, but considering all the bragging I felt you were doing, I thought you were going to add that to your list of "victories".

I see you have learned your lessons, but your actions are the only way you will receive any true forgiveness from the people around you. If you are over-solicitous with your apologies, which you seem to be in your writing, you will force your victims to cope with the guilt they can't forgive you. You didn't care about the people you hurt then, so why do you expect your victims to believe you now?