Wayne Treacy Police Interview: Josie Ratley's Insult of Dead Brother 'Wasn't That Bad'

• Yes. People accused of rape always go to jail. That's why rape only has a 6% conviction rate. Oh, and that's IF a cop will take a woman (or man, or child) seriously enough to make an arrest, and IF a DA feels like s/he  could possibly make a case, and IF it doesn't get thrown out and IF the victim feels strong enough to face his/her attacker in court and IF the accused isn't a "pillar of the community." That's kind of a low conviction rate for "no one even question[ing]." At every step of the process, the person on trial is not the accused, but the victim, in cases of rape. Josie's "accusation" wasn't serious at all; if it was, she'd have gone to the cops instead of jabbing at him through a private text. And that's if it was even Josie doing the accusing, and not Kayla. BTW - False accusations of rape stand at 4%, the same as other crimes, and that's not taking into account the rapes that go unreported. Which is quite a lot of them, for various reasons.

• She called him a rapist? Forget the dead brother, that's the comment that's got me sympathizing with him. You know what happens to rapists in and out of jail? And you know what happens to guys falsely accused of rape? Same thing. No one even questions whether or not a rapist or a child molester is guilty, the mere accusation is enough to get you on certain people's lists. And when guilty, rightfully so. But when not guilty? The false accusation should be made a much bigger deal of. I'm not saying she deserved to have her head caved in, but her butt whooped? Hell yeah.

• Pete, I was reading MSN news and I came across an article on Wayne Treacy. You probably have more information on it. Both attorney's agreed that Wayne Treacy would serve no more then 50 years in prison. They called it a Cap, they said that they agreed so that the trail would continue. His first trial was February 16, 2011. Feb. 16, decision for the Cap pushed his trail up. That's good for Treacy, he won't get life.

• Wayne Treacy is an evil person who enjoys inflicting pain and suffering to others.

• @Sangelia: If your theory is correct it makes the situation that much more horrible. Unfortunately these days nothing is impossible. This child needs to be kept away from society in a secure facility AND he needs to be punished. If the justice system lets him out in just a few years, he may see this as a license to progress in his violence. The next time he may actually succeed in killing someone who irritates him.

• @[dD], Mark, & Allison how do we really know if it was Josie. remember that Wayne's GF "befriended" Josie. and in the report had borrowed Josies phone a few times. think on it. the GF had in her mind a reason to "remove" Josie. as a possible threat to her relationship with Wayne. and she KNEW his cell phone number. as well as the 'dirt' on both folks. she is also the one who had to 'correct' Wayne's path on who to beat up. remember he was about to go after a different gal. when the GF stopped him and pointed out who and what Josie looked like before the beating. . . I would have to say it was the GF who did the texting, NOT Josie. on the evidence shown

• She should of kept her mouth closed. If I was a judge however, she'd be doing about 6 months, and he'd be doing about 15 years.

• Nobody is saying that Josie isn't a victim, nobody is saying that the things she said were punishable by a proper head stomping so stop getting your knickers in a twist. What's being said is that JOSIE is ALSO a bully. Victim or not..she started by calling the kid a rapist. Doesn't mean she deserved to be physically harmed but I mean, wake up. Are you oblivious to how vicious these little teenage brats dolls from hell are these days? Like bubbadog,I also work in the mental health field. Bullies like Josie can be just as damaging and lethal as bullies like Wayne Treacy.

• It's a really horrific story, but I think I am more appalled at some of the things people are saying on message boards like these. I read the transcript released by the police that showed the text conversation. What Josie said was extremely cruel, but should bullying be punishable by attempted murder? All kids say cruel things to each other in high school, and hardly any are properly punished for it, but mean words can't justify such a horrific beating. I know it's horrible to have someone you're very close to die in such a tragic way-- my parents both died when I was a teen. And yes, I once had a guy I hardly knew say a pretty nasty thing about them (completely unprovoked), but I would NEVER EVER believe he should be physically "punished" for what he said. You can't go around condemning teens to near-fatal beatings, not to mention permanent brain damage, for sending mean text messages. He is a victim of bullying, and she is a victim of attempted murder. So who do you think deserves more sympathy here? I studied traumatic brain injury in college. This girl's life will never be the same. Full recovery is extremely rare. She may have problems with language, cognitive abilities, social skills, memory, and even basic motor function for the rest of her life. Does that sound like a proper punishment for a nasty remark? Think about all the vicious, undeserved things you've ever said to another person. Would you deserve being beaten to an inch of your life, not to mention permanent brain damage, for your callous remarks? Next time, use your frickin brain before running your mouth off about how any kid deserves that.

• If a kid has that much rage in him that he could try to kill a girl for a nasty text message, he probably isn't too stable. If she hadn't said anything to him, something or someone else would set him off for a different reason in a different situation. Healthy, well-adjusted people do not try to beat other people to death for cruel text messages. He obviously has a lot of pent-up rage, along with an inability to control what seems to be an extremely violent and deadly temper. If not her, it would be someone else that would fall victim to him eventually. The kid needs help, and we shouldn't be blaming the girl for his unspeakable crime. She said a pretty nasty thing, but it certainly wasn't her fault that he decided to beat her to a pulp. He could have asked for help, told an adult about the situation, or even just told her to F off and stop talking to her.

• I think both are to blame, but it does not excuse that he attempted to murder someone. He should get the full punishment. People may not feel she should get off but really she is living her punishment for opening her mouth and not walking away. People in general feel they can say and do whatever comes to mind and think they are free from consequences but ask you can see, she is messed up for life and he has messed up for life. I wish their families the best.

• I agree with you MEZZ

• Honestly sickened by anyone saying that Josie was anything but a victim here. Seriously people, where are your heads? There is no excuse for putting on steel toe boots and attempting to murder someone ... I don't care what they said / texted. I don't care what insult she slung at him, what person she involved in the text. Trying him as adult is absolutely the correct decision. He messed up is one way of looking at it but I wouldn't give him a chance to do it again. He's not well enough to be walking down the road next to me, my children, my friends, nor my enemies. Lock him up, ruin his life - it may be the thing that saves someone elses.

• @Anonymous: doesn't matter who said what to whom. NOTHING justifies attempted murder.

• Honesty, I think it was wrong for him to talk about her died father molesting her too. Plus you dont call people sluts especially a girl. Had anyone ever thought of it that way?

• Yes, Treacy's life will be ruined by this. It's called a "consequence".

• blah blah blah bubba/nick....... also THANK YOU Paul :)

• @ Bubba Dog You are some what right about how hard time will ruin Treacys life. But his actions put him there. His actions also put Josie where she is so here is the worlds smallest violin I shall play it for Treacy...............

• Bhoebe, darlin', EVERYTHING you said is crap. Except for the bit where victims of emotional trauma need to choose to get over it--that would be the crap that crap craps, and the fact that you seem not to get that is a little cute, but mostly sad. I work in the mental health field, and I deal with the aftermath of monsters like Josie every day. And the fact of the matter is, she has not had her life ruined--it is likely that she will recover, that she will learn to walk again et cetera, and, given the fact that we know that trauma of this type generally has a radical effect on personality, there is the possibility, however remote, that she will eventually become a worthwhile human being. Meanwhile, given how often juries typically accept a defense of not guilty by reason of mental illness or defect, Wayne is probably going to spend the next several years in prison, where anything good about his personality will be systematically destroyed, and after which his opportunities to rejoin society will be seriously curtailed. That is the real tragedy here.

• @ Bubba Dog I think I would rather argue with Nick, with him at least he gets my point more confused then he gets his own. Secondly, provacation that big fancy word you used to describe what Josie did, perhaps she herself was provoked when a hurtful provacation was made about her dad. The difference is she retaliated with a text and he tried to kill her. Nick you are right we must not have read the same text trancript, It just does'nt scream out to me the actions that Treacy took. I DO hope at this very moment treacy is in some type of counseling.But otherwise he gets whatever is coming to him (it's called cause and effect. ) *sigh* Rant on Nick, rant on. If I get you flustered I am doing what I set out to do. Have I provoked you enouph to ride your bike and come kick my head in? After all that is a natrual reaction god knows what childhood hardships you suffered, beacause that would make it okay.If your a sensitive yet heartless person like Treacy waiting to snap on the next Josie in your world.

• Bheobe. Thank you for talking perfect sence. It is amazing how people think she deserved being maimed for life. What is even worse about the finger pointers who are talking down to Josie, is that every single one of them is guilty of the same thing she did thousands of times over, one way or another. What Wayne Treacy did is a whole nother matter. You said that she had no way of knowing that Treacy was actually going to try to kill her, I'll go one better. Treacys lawyer told the public that the reason no one took Treacy's threats seriously was because Treacy is this great kid, and not a sociopathic maniac. The real truth is that no one outside of Treacy could even imagine stomping on a human skull. His actions are completely outside of peoples wildest imagination. that is how sick and depraved his actions are. Other people could not even imagine anyone doing such a thing. He has to be removed from society for most of his natural life in the interest of public safty.

• Yes, good to see you back, Nick.

• Soak it up baby! ;)

• Well of course I'm defending my stance, Shannie. It's my stance after all! Not sure how long my attention will be kept here, but I was looking for updates on the case via Google--and this one came up, so I figured why not chime in. Kind of ashamed to admit it was also partially because of all the comments with my name in them that made me decide to post again. eFame is intoxicating!

• Nick!!!!! Hey man glad to see your here and are defending your stance as always. You know what I think about all this and I happen to like your view or perspective on TCR. I don't agree with all you have put out there but you make a good argument and its nice see you back. Have a good holiday from me and Humpty!!

• I love that I get talked about as a hot topic. Quite amusing. I'm replying to comments in order of least stupidity and people who seem somewhat reasonable, rather than kneejerk reactionaries who just see "GIRL VICTIM! CRUCIFY HIM!". @AngryGrandma--The "girlfriend" and sex part are a bit iffy. Treacy's texts state that they've "done nothing", which is about on par with most couples at that age. They place more value on the label of being a couple than the activities. Of course, it could also mean that they were doing oral, mutual masturbation, etc which are becoming considered less and less "sex" amongst teenagers than it used to be. As to the rest...ehhh. @JadenSmokes, Moet, Bhoebe, Illusions, and I guess Pete too--Still with the labeling of anyone who's got sympathy for both parties involved as "SHE DESERVED WHAT SHE GOT!". Good to know the blatant ridiculousness persists. As to the texts? Yeah. We must not be reading the same transcript that Pete linked. Which honestly to me, still doesn't look complete. Starting off with "What's up?" makes me think there was something sent that he's replying to. Or it's just something as simple as trying to get a hold of his girlfriend through Ratley, who the hell knows. This case is a clusterfuck where there's no right answer in my view. Anyways, the second text she sends(in the transcript's log of 11:32AM) starts a long chain of slinging around the label of "rapest", and then sends a comment of "go suck teen pussy"(not sure why they redacted that. Especially the teen part). The part about her father being dead I'm iffy on, because so many people on the internet these days use that as a way to garner sympathy. It's reasonable to assume that, seeing as how "he didn't know the victim"(which has been chanted as the mantra for the Hang 'Em High crowd)--how the hell is he going to know her dad's dead? His brother's death was mentioned a few times prior to that in the news(seemingly), just because it was by its nature public knowledge. She seemed more knowledgeable about Treacy than he did about her, but that's kind of the nature of women. Women talk amongst themselves about damn near everything. Trina--You must be new here. Sandy's about as capable of forming an actual, logical rebuttal as a monkey is of operating the space shuttle. As for your personal comments about me? Well, good to know you've done so much with your life that you can put down someone who's in college and going into public service. You must be curing cancer, huh? Pete can verify that this was, in fact, posted from the same email account as every other comment that I've posted. And if I start getting spam from people I don't know, I'm gonna be pretty pissed Pete. =P

• I agree 100% with Bheobe.

• oh and btw bubba "Both young people are teetering on the brink of having their lives destroyed by this event" there is no TEETERing... it is very apparent that Josie's life HAS been ruined. Josie will never heal. She is brain damaged invalid and is in immense pain..... That's me being serious again.

• nothing I said is "crap".... you must be a buddy of Nick's Girl said words. Boy made actions. Guess which is more deadly? Shame on her mouth- But boy can heal. Shame on that boy's BRUTAL FEET and FISTS Josie will never EVER heal from!!!! And ya- I know the mental scar excuse. You choose to heal or choose NOT TO. That choice was ROBBED from the Josie Ratley!

• BubbaDog "Who initiated hostilities? Who created the problem in the first place?" uh-- hmmm that would be WAYNE!!!!! he made the first contact.

• Specifically to iLLusionS and Moet--are you seriously that ignorant? That you can claim with a (presumably) straight face that any text message capable of eliciting the reaction in question would be somehow indellibly burned into the young man's consciousness proves that A) you know slightly less than nothing about human psychology, and B) you have never yourself experienced such provocation. The fact of the matter is that young Wayne Treacy was subjected to emotional distress of such an intensity that it caused him to temporarily dissociate, and everybody with even a modicum of sense knows that defects in memory are the signal characteristic of dissociative events. Had he been able to remember what was said, then his claims of mental defect would have been less credible, not more. And Bheobe--are you serious with this "don't blame the victim" crap? Because if you are, you have to be willing to honestly ask who the victim is. Who initiated hostilities? Who created the problem in the first place? I won't go so far as to say that Josie "deserved" what happened to her, but there can be no disputing that she brought it on herself. She was the bully here, but society refuses to recognise that fact because social violence is not as spectacular and immediate as physical violence, though it is all the more insidious for it. Words are actions, and actions have consequences; the Josie Ratleys of the world need to learn that, and until they do, we are going to see a lot more Wayne Treacys out there. Both young people are teetering on the brink of having their lives destroyed by this event, and it seems we've learned nothing.

• you are right iLLusionS "how could she have even known he was being serious? "-- if all people's thought processes were reflecting valid reasoning--then there wouldn't be anything to debate over the condition of Josie

• I cannot believe, ok maybe I can, that even after reading the transcripts the battle rages on. Some people cannot be moved no matter which side they feel for the most, I guess. Nicks absence is puzzling is he building up his defense? LOL. So number one Treacy was loaded for bear as we say here. Trying to be hurtful to press buttons to be threatning. Secondly have I missed something? Who the hell is Ayesha? Is she real has she been questioned? Treacy was seeming pretty hostile from the gate and it would'nt have even mattered, IMHO what she said. He had in his mind what he was gonna do. Then as Bheobe pointed out he was going from one attitude to the next, how could she have even known he was bieng serious? Asking her questions in which she actually answered. It went from that back to insults. He took a shot about her dad and she gave one back. Either way the content of the texts still in no way should equal the condition of Josie.

• We as humans have discretion and socialization. We are people. Josie clearly did not see the danger- just words- which is what it should have stayed as. There was absolutely no reason for her to fear for her life for what she said- DO NOT BLAME the victim.

• @ jadensmokes I've been wondering where Nick was m'self. He is either gone or under a different name because I've watched for him. But it would not matter, those other-names, like nick, would just twist the information to suit own theory anyhow. There is no reasoning with people like that. They cast blame to others but are the loudest when wronged. That type of person has no pity for victims yet seems to always be hurling hate-spew at everyone else because other people are at fault for any dis-pleasures on their life. Piss off blamers!

• What a bunch of fucking idiots. Blaming Josie for getting beat almost to death. Just as someone said in one of the posts, I don't care if she fucking spit on his brother's grave. NOTHING WARRANTS Treacy's premediated, brutal, vicious, almost fatal beating. I hope all of you assholes saying she deserved it meets someone like Treacy and makes a "not so nice" comment to him about something, he will do the same thing to you. But you would deserve it right? HELL YES! according to your warped way of thinking.

• ::shakes head in complete amazement:: WTF? How can you people blame Josie? He texted her first, and in the first or second text told her to get fucked! That's where the bullying began, and he also ended it. I don't know that he deserves to die, but I don't want that cretin anywhere in society for a very, very long time. He must pay. Violence is never the answer. I don't have one iota of sympathy for him after reading the text exchange. Where is Nick? Is he coming in here under all these names saying Josie was at fault too to set the stage for his entrance? I just wonder...

• Becki you are correct about warning signs. I was a bit of a bully to some boys at school and even one of my male teachers. My mother started me in counseling at early age. Still had anger issues but I stopped directing them at other children. His mother ESPECIALLY should have gotten help after the trauma with the brother. Real shame..... Josie paid the ultimate price (THIS is waaay worse than death)

• You know, the whole situation is sad. Why are kids talking like this to each other in the first place? I have a different image of her now than I did when I first started reading about this. I have four children in my home ranging from 12 to 14 and if I caught them texting or speaking like this, they'd be eating an entire bulk package of soap and losing the phones FOREVER! Where are the parents here? I feel horrible for her and feel bad for him, too, I have to admit. He should definitely pay the price for what he did, because words don't jusify physical harm. But, he doesn't deserve to die. Maybe his mother should pay a price, too, for neglect. I wonder if that's possible. It all could have been prevented with a little effort on the part of the parents. I can't imagine this being the first sign that this boy has anger issues.

• I never post comments to these things, but you people saying she deserved this and taunted him are just plain stupid. Period. And those going on about his looks...seriously? This is why there is no such thing as a "jury of your peers" in the US, because there's a severe lack of intelligence within the general public. You morons would let him off lightly. I'm ashamed at society.

• I agree with ccccc Treacy "wanted to baited" aaaand YES he WAS threatening before the brother comment and still had enough mind-set to text that "Let me text Kayla real quick. Just one question I have to ask her." he was in control enough to text several lucid texts. .... I find that shows Wayne had control of him self. He choose to punish Josie for how he felt. A person can not MAKE you feel anything. anyone who says otherwise is a victim blamer- Josie was not born to be Wayne Traecy's anger outlet

• TrueFeelings: Doesn't matter that his brother was dead or whether or not her dad was. He said that her dad molested her, which is highly inflammatory (maybe even worse) than her telling him to go visit his brother. Ultimately though, they both have the right to be dicks to each other all day long. They do not have the right to try and kill each other over their mutual dickness. If I call someone a "bitch" am I asking to be killed? Uh no. It doesn't work like that.

• TrueFeelings, you are an idiot. I get that you've been taunted, etc. Wayne starts threatening her within the first few texts. HE IS THE BULLY. No one brings this on themselves. No one brings a nearly fatal, crippling attack, premeditated, brutal, MEANT TO KILL assault. No one. So many of you people WANT this child to have deserved this to justify your own Mean Girl experiences. This child is NOT the Mean Girl from your own issues. This is a kid trying to protect - clearly - a 13 year old friend from a much older young man whose motives she did not trust. To the moron who said Josie was "jealous" of someone else having a boyfriend... damn. Some of you need to grow up and leave your childhoods behind. This isn't some girl who was mean to you in seventh grade and made you cry in class. This is a 15 year old girl who was chased, hit without a chance to defend herself by someone who was larger and stronger than her and who had specifically ARMED himself to murder her, and she was stomped nearly to death by a very angry young man who'd been threatening her over and over already. You people defending his reaction by blaming her are the reason so many women are beaten, raped and murdered right now. This crime committed by a disturbed and dangerous young man is horrific, but you people thinking it's somehow justified by anything the victim did are committing evil. I hope someday you realize how evil this is. As another commenter said, this dangerous young man was going to go off and hurt someone. It happened to be Josie. It could as easily have been her little 13 year old friend.

• Oh I didn't mean that the murder wasn't a crime. I just meant that she brought in on herself. Also, the difference between the molestation and the suicide is that he clearly did not know her father was dead (and who knows if he really is or not), but she certainly knew his brother had only recently committed suicide when she decided to taunt him with that.

• Geez, she should not have been poking and prodding this poor young man like that. His brother had only recently committed suicide. For her to use that against him is very wrong. I really hope that she learned a lesson from all of this. Her actions not only caused injury to herself, but quite possibly ruined this boy's life. Hopefully with some counseling he will be able to become a productive member of society again.

• TrueFeelings: Attempted murder is always going to be a crime. Doesn't matter what she said at all. For example, I can call someone a (insert expletive) and they still do not have the right to try and kill me. If he had shot her, it would be illegal. Stabbed her? Also illegal. As is trying to beat someone to death. Wayne wanted to baited anyway. It does take 2 to tango. If he wasn't interested in being involved in the disagreement, he should have shut off his phone and stopped texting. She said something about the suicide and he said something about molestation. I'd say, by your rationale, that he was asking for something too.

• Obviously someone didn't even read the transcript... she didn't "taunt" him at all about the brother, and he was threatening long before she even said that, anyway.

• wwwwwooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww- glad all you who STILL-THINK-she-"asked for it"-people think twice before you ever speak and say everything with full understanding and such fantastic diction as to leave no misinterpretation of your words especially when you were a child. Glad to hear it. That's excellent that you think Josie deserved this. Have you seen her in her wheel chair?!?! You look at a CHILD IN A WHEEL CHAIR over something so DUMB and you can say she needs to be there? You don't have to be ashamed for your opinion. I'll be ashamed for you- I will pity you for your absolute lack of compassion.

• It is because she knew, for 100% certain that his brother had recently committed suicide. So she took the most terrible tragedy in this boys life that she knew of and threw it right in his face. Then when he says he is going to beat her up, she is like-yeah right, i am right here waiting for you. That is called taunting. That is called asking for it.

• I'm with you, Moet. I just can't believe people think she had it coming. When was there any valid reason for a kid to attack a girl from behind and nearly stomp her to death? I'd be shamed for life if one of my boys did this.

• That transcript of their texting is really damning. I can't believe that she was pushing his buttons like that. I hope this will serve as a message to others that cyber-bullying in not always without consequence to the bully. I really wish for his sake, and for hers too that she wasn't so mean to him. Perhaps this whole thing could have been avoided if she wasn't such a bitch.

• Finally, the mysterious transcript. So... that was it? THAT was the comment that sent Treacy the Dick over the edge? Oh, so he can make fun of the girl's dead father and say she was molested, but no one's allowed to tell him to visit his dead brother. Not only did he overreact, but he started the whole damn thing! He was threatening to kill her even before she said that! Any sympathy I might have been developing for Treacy has evaporated forever.

• Sandy said: Who gives a shit what Nick thinks, he is a bigger F@$% up than Treacy. "I'm Nick See me, See me, I'm 22 years old, I'm a big boy. I go to Junior College and when I grow up I'm going to be a Policemen." Really Sandy? What is up with the juvenile and nasty personal attacks? That is like the 2 or 3 one I have seen you make recently. Not very nice.

• Kathleen said: "I feel sorry for this poor girl, but I cannot help but to think that if only she had kept her mouth shut, this never would have happened." It might not have happened to her, but it would have happened to someone else at some point. She couldn't have been the only person in his life destined to mouth off to him.

• I agree that this boy needs serious intervention, what kind is debatable, but those implicating the victim as partly responsible are getting a lot of flack on here for stating common sense. It's not "fluffy" and nice to think of the victim as a little hardfaced bitch, but it's clear from her taunting that she was (like many teenage girls). Noone stating that is siding with Treacy, people need to get some perspective here. Let's hope that Treacy is dealt with in a productive manner and that the victim recovers well and remembers what she did that led to getting her head caved in. Not everything is always black and white, right and wrong, and in these cases there are degrees of responsibility on all of their shoulders. Treacy may be the only one prosecuted but he's not the only one responsible.

• bkb205, You need to learn how to READ...... this story completely about what Josie text. Josie didn't text anything bad about Treacy's brother. The soon to be a Prison babe, couldn't even remember what Josie text..... "You just ran your mouth off, maybe there is another Treacy just around the corner." You never know.

• There just is a huge problem with teenagers and their smart ass mouths and attitudes these days. No respect for anyone whatso ever. No way am I defending Treacy, but words can be like knives cutting into you, it hurts when someone throws a terrible tragedy like his brothers death in your his face and other mean statements, its cruel,evil,just plain mean!! And now look at pretty little Josie, shes screwed for the rest of her life, maybe her parents should of taught her "if you don't have anything nice to say...say NOTHING at all" sorry to say it but had she ran her mouth about my brother under such circumstances, I would have kicked her ass too,

• That's all she said? Seriously? Wow. Immature, yes. Provocative, um, not enough to warrant nearly being beaten to death! Anyone defending this boy is sick. I'm kind of iffy on the whole "never hit a girl" thing. If he had slapped her across the face, I'd probably say that she DID get what was coming to her. This is WAY beyond just hitting a girl or standing up for himself, people!

• I'm curious if this young girl were to grow up and be an advocate against bullying and violence in schools and even forgave her attacker what would you say to her then? It is pretty obvious that this is a bad situation and nothing good will come of it but do you think when she matures she would want to hear some of the bloodlust-enduced speech that you guys have to say on her behalf?

• I believe that both Josie Ratley and Wayne Treacy were wrong. Josie was wrong to call Wayne a "rapest" because he liked her 13 year old friend. It was slander. Accusing a male of having sex with a little girl is very serious. To my knowledge, Wayne wasn't having sex with the 13 year old. Josie should have stayed completely out of Wayne's friendship with her girl friend because it wasn't any of her business. I can't help but wonder if Josie was jealous because her 13 year old friend had a boyfriend. Secondly, Josie was in the wrong to make a disparaging remark about Wayne's deceased brother. Josie was a bully who behaved just as badly as those kids that teased and harassed Phoebe Prince until Phoebe committed suicide. You should never make fun of a person whose family has suffered a tragedy as Wayne's family did. Why? Because you have no idea how the person whom you are teasing and provoking will react. Wayne was in the wrong to beat Josie. Two wrongs don't make a right. My prayers are for both of these children. I pray that Josies will recover and learn from the error of her ways. I also pray that Wayne will get the counseling that he desperately needs.

• Did you people blaming Josie for "bullying" this young man even read the texts? He was threatening to beat her just barely into the conversation. If there was any bullying, HE WAS BULLYING HER, trying to frighten her with physical threats. It's clear it pissed him off that she wasn't scared of him. He stomped her head in while she was defenseless. People trying to justify this is no different than people justifying some psycho shooting up a bunch of women at a health club just because he couldn't get a date.

• let me start this by saying what he did was terrible, yes. however i was bullied in high school. i remember how icious kids are. girls like josie are downright horrible and because they use words and not fists, they are rarely punished. if not for the recorded text message, we may have assumed he was just this horrible kid. yes he over reacted. but he is just a kid dealing with something many adults can break down from. i hate to see anyone suffer as josie does, but kids nowadays truly receive no consequences for how inhumane they can be to fellow classmates. no i am not saying she deserved what happened. not at all. i wish an adult had found what she had said to him and punished her severely. but people do snap when you hit a spot. and what a terrible thing to say.

• "Takes one 2 know one" is her txt signature I think, she didn't keep typing it, it was automatic, Melissa. That is hardly the thing to focus on. I had worse conversations than this in middle school. Girls tend to think of boys as innately insensitive around this age, I think she just figured he could handle being called a rapist because she didn't know him and who knows what his little girlfriend had told her about him. I was like Josie, I was a protective and outspoken girl when it came to my friends at that age, I can imagine myself in this position back then. I think she severely overstepped her bounds but I honestly don't think she realized how seriously he would take being called "rapist." I can see why he brought up the issue of her father, because she was calling "rapist" in his mind prematurely so he was saying "well I guess you just have rapists on the mind because your dad abused you" and in saying that he escalated matters even more, opening the door for her to take a shot at his dead relative. He did't know her dad was dead, but maybe she thought he did know, and she felt like bringing his dead brother into things was fair. If she was of the mind that Wayne KNEW her dad was dead, I think it's perfectly acceptable that she thought his brother was fair game. This is a case of misunderstanding and overreaction. The only thing exceptional about this whole situation is the ACTION Wayne Treacy took, which is why he is definitely the GUILTY party. What Josie said wasn't exceptionally bad [trust me I was a teen not too long ago] and their exchange wasn't exceptionally bad overall, it's how he handled it that was exceptionally bad. My head is killing me just imagining the pain she experienced. Can you imagine? They had to remove a piece of her skull to relieve pressure, which is basically trephining, and she will probably never be "all there" again and some of you people are saying she deserved it? Even after seeing him bring up the subject of dead relatives first? He may have done so unwittingly, but I doubt she knew he was unaware since he did refer to her dad in the past tense ["your dad ABUSED you" not "your dad abuses you"] and she probably assumed it was because he knew her dad was gone. I don't want the kid to lose his freedom forever over this, but he needs to do time for this and think about it for a long, long time. He needs to be forced to plunge into the sensitive and intelligent side of himself, which is very evident to exist, and not compartmentalize what he did.

• Ok, seriously, that girl is annoying as hell. "takes one 2 know one" GAH! She didnt deserve what she got but I kind of want to bitch slap her after reading that text convo.

• Treacy was way out of line-I don't give a shit what was said to whom. This little ass needs to be tried as an adult for premeditated murder.

• Do you people not realize these kind of conversations occur daily across the country, many times with much worse taunts and rancor? That's what teenagers do. I can't believe I'm actually raeding people who are blaming the victim. You people are some f*cked up individuals. The bottom line is this piece of sh*t was an angry little prick and was searching for someone to take it out on. He should get the maximum penalty for his actions. It was premeditated and planned. If we all reacted to the horrible taunts and things we've heard throughout our lives, half of us would be dead. In a civilized society you can't go stomp someone to death because they pissed you off. Not to mention, it's shocking how many of you think this text exchange is unusual. Much worse happens every day, wake up.

• Whoisthebully, I would hardly call a text war of words bullying.

• @ Braidheart. As much as Josie is at fault for NOT going to an adult instead of making text, i believe the 13yr is the most at fault. If she hadn't gave the information, real or otherwise, then nothing would have been said. And if Wayne doesn't know Josie, how she know about her dad being dead? Again, the bimbette. So i am blaming Josie only for not taking this information to a adult. And for not thinking this dude was crazy. But the bimbette set this entire thing up. You watch and see. But for all that was done, nothing should have set this guy off to stomp her to near death. thank GOD the teacher got there when he did, should have been sooner, Josie was so near death, Death was standing right there beside them! he pulled Wayne into office for the cops, but the bimbette stood around outside with other kids JOKING! At least that was what i read. She wasn't pulled into the station until hours later. and we was charged. Sent to juvy (pic had her in blue jumpsuit with cuffs) Just haven't found what charges yet. I hope people from FLA speak up, loudly, if the courts or lawyer tries something stupid (such as insanity!) he sent texts to friends as to what he was going to do. That isn't insanity. That's premediatated.

• You are right Toot. Perhaps if he had adequately been prepared to handle bullying, he would not have reacted this way. Josie just illustrates the growing problem with bullying in this country. Should all bullies face the punishment that she did? No, but then again, not all bullies are as terrible as she was to him. It is a shame when a victim of bullying, rather than seeking help from grown ups, takes matters into their own hands, as Traecy did. Now his life is ruined.

• I agree with Frankz to a point. True, who said what when really doesn't matter up front. But you do have to take certain factors into consideration before putting an extremely fucked up young man in prison forever. It doesn't make sense to, he knows he was wrong(his reaction) and he knows what he did to her caused pain beyond belief. If he was 20 something it would be a different ballgame, that kid needs punishment and therapy, which like Jadensmokes said probably won't happen.

• I believe Treacy when he says he doesn't remember what the text said even though that is what supposedly set him off. This, to me (and I am NOT defending this dude), shows he truly has a mental disability/disorder and likely has had it forever and it might remain undiagnosed. Seems his family was a little less concerned with him inparticular and he never was treated or counciled(sp)in any way. He may have reacted otherwise if anyone had bothered to get him help when he needed it rather than waiting until he snapped to go "Damn, he must not be right". I feel for Josie and her family but honestly she was pushing a crazy dudes buttons and I don't think she knew he meant it when he said he would stomp her. If she thought he was for real I think she would have told someone. She clearly didn't take him or the situation seriously. Talk to your children about bullying. Tell your girls NOT to rely on the old "don't hit a girl" rule, boys these days don't go by that. They will hit anything and anyone to do what they wish to do. Some anyway.

• Why are people so dam stuck on who said what to whom? Not one single bit of that matters. It doesn't matter who said what, to whom, how, why, where, when, howcome, nothing. None of it ever justifies any kind of physical attack, ever, in any way, shape, or fashion. This lowlife, piece of shit, sorry, good for nothing, white trash, punk, attempted to murder this girl, period, and deserves to be sentenced as an adult and receive the maximum penalty for it.

• hmmm, did anyone read the text messages in the pdf linked? The first rude thing texted was Wayne telling Josie, fuck you. Wayne accused her of being molested by her father, who she said is dead. Called her a slut among many other things. So, it's ok for Wayne to dis her dead father and say he molested her, but it's not okay for her to text him after he had said that; that he needed to go be with his dead brother? Oh, he needs counseling, but in prison, that doesn't happen. Hell, I don't think it happens in Juvie either. I'm afraid that Josie will need both physical and mental therapy, and her family doesn't have insurance, so thats not likely to happen either. The mental health laws and treatment in this country need to change. Both of these kids will need help, and neither of them will likely get it. Sad world we live in, even sadder that in one of the most wealthy and progressive countries in the world, we turn a blind eye to it all. Just as suspected, this boy was full of rage. There was nothing in those texts to warrant anyone's death, or physical harm. It was just a matter of time before he lost his cool with someone. I don't believe Josie to have said anything to him that he didn't illicit from his texts to her. At one point, he even asks her who she is and she replies Ayesha...so who the hell knows who was using Josie's phone.

• I agree completely with AngryGrandma. These two girls got together and intentionally provoked this young man, forcing him to beat her up. If it were not for those two, he would probably be playing baseball on the high-school team, working a part-time job, and trying to put his life back together after the tragedy his family so recently suffered. That girl picked on the one thing she knew would get to him. I am just saying, he is so good looking, if I were a few, well, alot, years younger, I would like to date him. These trollops ruined his life. I hope he is able to get things back to normal soon.

• PLEASE!!! I think everyone is missing something here: they did not know each other at all before this! That being the case (a fact!) questions here: 1) how did Josie get phone number? 2) how did she know what was going on with him and 13 yr? 3) Your telling me that saying "Jus go vist ur dead brother" would cause this? WRONG!!! I agree that if she was concerned for the little bimbette, then she should have told an adult and not get involved. But should never have had this coming to her. Both their lives are distroyed. She can hardly heal from her wounds as sever as they are. The physical will heal but not the internal. Child can't talk or walk! Hello! Doctors don't know how much she will regain if anything. She is living in a reb center (nursing home) what kind of life is that? the bimbette is 13 she will hopefully be charged as an helping. Then she can be a bimbette in juvy!

• I can't believe people are saying "she had it coming". I really wonder if you'd feel the same way if your brother/sister/mother/bestfriend got snarky with someone and had every bone in their face broken. Kids are mean. Damn mean. It is a sad reality, but this is going on all the time. At what point you think words warrant getting your face brutally bashed in...I don't get it. I only have sympathy for the boy in the loss of his brother, but that in no way serves as an excuse to pummel someone. The girls comment does not warrant the state she is in now, she may never fully recover and guess what? He will probably be out in 5 years or less. God, some of you people are so unbelievably heartless. We have ALL said things that were nasty at some point in our life, and we have NO IDEA how hurtful that may have been to the other person...we were just lucky enough we didn't nearly get killed for it.

• See, i never thought that it was because of his brother. I have had it in my head that it was about the girl friend and i bet the little bimbette set this entire thing up to begin with. She probable told Josie all kinds of BS and got her rialed up. She probable called or gave Josie the number. then the little bimbette sat back and watched and probable said " oh he loves me so much look what he would do for little ole me!" UGHHHHH

• I agree that she did not deserve a 'stomp down'. That being said, she really should not have been egging him on like she was. He was already under enough pressure since his brother had committed suicide. And now, she has ruined his life. Her wounds will heal, but this event will follow him around forever. I hope he can get past all of these problems that she has caused for him. Also, I hope she has learned a lesson about speaking when she should not.

• Oy, what a nightmare. So what if she smart mouth? I still don't believe she deserved a stomp down, and I don't believe he deserves a long adult prison sentence. I wish kids would talk and act like kids and not like grown up shitheads. Both of their futures are altered because of this.

• Any shitty lawyer can turn this tape around and make it seem like it's showing a kid who's afraid of this interrogation and trying to mitigate damage by lying to the investigator. That's why the police released it to the press--they know it'll get eaten alive in court, so they're trying to win in the court of public opinion.

• Oops, wish to say sorry to all who read my post. Again, i was writing but my mind was faster. sorry if i misspelled or forgot a word or two. No excuse but sorry. Also i didn't mean to insult anyone (who may think i am). These are my thoughts and opions. No one has to agree with me. These words are not put here for agreement. Thank you

• Trina is a prime example of what I was just talking about. Amazing. A good all american kid?? I sure hope he does'nt represent what the all american kid should be!!

• Well, i'm back. Couldn't stand all the insults being thrown around yet again. Maybe everyone needs to sit back, relax, breath and then goggle the situation? His "girlfriend" is a 13 yr old GIRL. and Josie didn't know Wayne. Only what the GF was telling her. And yes they are saying a text was sent to him from Josie. Yes they (newspapers) claim she called him a rapist because he was having sex with this young child. Please. When i was 13 sure i liked boys, but NEVER would have ok'd anything sexual. This is why we have 13 and 14 yr old "mothers". GOD that makes me sick. Babies having sex when they can't even clean their rooms or do their chores without parental pushing. I'm getting angrier! But i'll calm down and shoot off my mouth yet again. What parent ALLOWS a 13 yr old girl to have a boyfriend? Just asking. I guess i'm old school and with 2 grandchildren who are 12, neither are "active". One doesn't even have computer (so no FB, MYSPACE), cell phone or even a TV. Due to her parents (my daughter) religion. the other is heavily limited as to computer and cell. Anywho. No preaching. Sorry all. issue: It has NOT been proving (or relased) that the text actually came from Josie. He didn't even know what she looked like. He had to ask his GF who she was. And BTW? the GF is looking at possible charges as well. Did Josie deserve to be stomped to near death? No. Did she say something to P*ss him off, probably. Does she deserve to spend most of her life now trying to regain what she has lost and may never get back? NO. Does he deserve life in Jail? NO. he does need to be punished for this attack. But we are not the judge or juries. And from what i have read since this happened, he text "friends" what he was going to do. NO ONE called cops. They thought he was just showing off, talking out of his butte as he was known to do. I am NOT defending either of them. But actions speak louder then words. (And yes, in MA- you can be charged with verbal assult. Not sure about other states) But any child who has this much rage in them needs help and someone in the family, school or neighbor knows how he is. And no one helped him. Wonder what caused brother to kill self? They will not release that information, from what i have read. All they say is Wayne found brother hanging in tree. Brother was 29, i think i read. Everyone has a right to free speach. So says our "government", and everyone has their own thoughts. Again yes come to forum to voice our thoughts. But no one should be insulted for the way we think. Is this Russia back in the last century? Please let's be adults and if we tlak about issues, respect others the way you wish to be respected. Sorry to all i may offend. But i am voicing my rights as an american. No more soap box!

• If you look at this young man's picture, he looks like the all-American kid. I just have a hard time believing that such a fine young man could have done this without provocation. I really feel sorry for him because his brother had just committed suicide. It must have been a very difficult time for the poor fellow. And then to have this little you-know-what harass him like that? It just isn't right. I think she might have had this coming to her. She should be charged with battery, and be mandated to seek some kind of psychological help. Who would do that to a young man who is in mourning?

• well said iLLusionS

• I can't believe this story is still attracting the same old arguement. It amazes me that aside from the trolls some people still want to hang WAY to much claim on this, so far unfounded, and not memorable text message!The boy supposingly can't remember it which is a lie. If it incited such a reaction would'nt it be instrumentally memorable? I just can't understand the logic people use when they act as if this victim had this coming in some way. They would have her head smashed in for words they don't even know if she texted? Amazing.

• Bianca, you said everything I was going to to Kathleen! A natural action?!?! What kind of horrid place do you live in that an action like his is considered "natural"?!?! And, I might add that if he was this violent with Josie, who is to say that he wouldn't have went ape shit on someone else?! In my opinion, it was just a matter of time before he went off on someone. And Sangelia is right too. There is no hard evidence that it was even Josie that was doing the texting. The friend used her phone often and maybe her and Josie had a little fight or maybe she thought Josie was "eyeing" her man and did the texting. Oh, and his brother hadn't JUST recently killed himself. He did it last october. Its not like he did it the week before and she said something!! And its not like his brother is the first person who has ever committed suicide. Like I said, my fav uncle did it and people said all sorts of horrible things and I was a lot younger than Treacy was. But I never tried to beat up or kill anyone.

• @me said. how do we really know if it was Josie. remember the gf of the guy 'befriended' the gal. borrowed her phone. for all we know. the gf could have set the gal up to be beatened. that it could have been the gf who sent the texts. and gave back the phone right after setting her up. as in a way to "remove" the "competition". some gals to keep their BFs will do anything to get rid of a gal they THINK their bf might be interested in. even setting the gal up for "permenent" removal. so do not assume that it was Josie who sent the text.

• The b!tch made fun of his dead brother who just committed suicide ... I hate to say it, but I think she learned her lesson here. I mean it sux that she got the sh!t beat out of her, but did she really think it was OK to tease a guy about his dead brother that had just recently committed suicide? Did she really think he would just 'laugh it off'?

• @Kathleen, this is not the natural result of ONE COMMENT. That's not "torment." Torment doesn't take place over the course of a few text messages. And community service? His goal was to KILL her. He nearly did, and she's probably NEVER going to be the same after this, mentally or physically. You really think he should just have to go pick up some trash on the side of the road for a few hours/days? For all we know, she never even said anything about his brother. Why can't they find the mysterious message? They can find ANYTHING. They have a whole bunch of other text messages to show us, but where's the one that supposedly set him off, yet "wasn't that bad"? You need to get your head examined, Kathleen. Condoning this kind of behavior in retaliation to one statement made by one child to another is NOT okay.

• Hello. I am not a troll, a family member, nor the same person who has been posting stuff. This is my first post. I feel sorry for this poor girl, but I cannot help but to think that if only she had kept her mouth shut, this never would have happened. Finding someone who has only recently lost a loved one and then saying bad things about that loved one is cruel. She was tormenting him, and this is the natural result. I do, nonetheless, feel that he should be punished for what he did. At the least he should have to do some community service.

• I would want him released at 21 assuming that during his incarceration, he gets some kind of psychological treatment. If he's just sitting in jail and not working on himself during that time, then what's the point? The fact that he's a juvenile will hopefully give him the opportunity to get the help he needs while serving his time.

• I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the people who are siding with treacy are trolls. They usually like to stir the pot and it seems they have done their job. Now, on the slight chance that they are real, they are completely delunsional. He has admitted himself that what she said "wasn't that bad", yet he went home, put on his steel toe boots, texted his friends he was gonna snap her neck, went to her school, sought out his girlfriends help (which, I actually think she should be charged for) since he didn't know what Josie looked like, and went and almost beat her to death. NOTHING she said warranted that. NOTHING. I know what its like for people to say bad things about a relative that has killed themselves. I was 12 when my favorite uncle, who was a second dad to me, killed himself. People said horrible things to me, yet, I didn't hurt them in anyway. Why? Because I knew that even at that age if I would have harmed them, I would have gotten into trouble, whether by teachers, my parents, or the law. Maybe he doesn't need to be in prison for the rest of his life, but I do not think he should be out before/by the time he is 21 either. He admitted that what she said wasn't that bad, yet he was going to kill her, and would have had the teacher not pulled him off of her. It was premeditated and it was extremely brutal. No way should he be out by 21.

• i don't get why ANYbody is sticking up for this kid... nothing anybody says about him does NOT make him any less wrong. Anger and pain is never an excuse.

• I can't believe anyone is siding with this boy. He nearly beat a GIRL to death! I don't care what she said or who she said things about. Anything short of actually being involved in the brother's death doesn't justify this reaction. This kid will learn his lesson soon and the hard way about the rules on striking females.

• I can't believe anyone is siding with this boy. He nearly beat a GIRL to death! I don't care what she said or who she said things about. Anything short of actually being involved in the brother's death doesn't justify this reaction. This kid will learn his lesson soon and the hard way about the rules on striking females.

• Ha! I bet all those who are berating the girl for being 'cruel' and 'horrible' are the same person. Not several 15 year olds, but one 15 year old, or maybe even an adult family member trying to sound younger. lol with diff names

• Funny how all the people who rationalize what Treacy did seem extremely uneducated. They're probably all 15-year-olds who think it's okay to do this sort of thing just because you don't like somebody. Reminds me of the morons I went to high school with.

• He really shouldn't have done what he did. That being said, she is a horrible person that was really asking for it. I mean the poor boy's brother's dead. She is lucky he didn't kill her.

• I agree w Bianca He knew what he did was wrong totally wrong and he did it anyway He wanted to look big and tough in front of his buds Well he still derserves the big boys prison and I don't think he'll impress anyone there

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