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Sabbar Kashur Convicted of Rape By Deception for Claiming He's Jewish
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Though lying during the mating dance in America is as common as William Shatner blubbering on TV, this was seen through the lens of Arab-Israeli relations, which means it was about to get weird.
Kashur ended up pleading guilty to rape by deception and was sentenced to 18-months in the slam. A panel of judges ruled it a "a classical rape by force." Their reasoning:
"If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," the judges wrote.
"The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price - the sanctity of their bodies and souls."
"When the very basis of trust between human beings drops, especially when the matters at hand are so intimate, sensitive and fateful, the court is required to stand firmly at the side of the victims ... otherwise, they will be used, manipulated and misled, while paying only a tolerable and symbolic price."
So what do you think, dear reader? Kashur clearly engaged in deception. But doesn't the woman hold some responsibility here? If she's going to take sexual partners under certain conditions, is it not her responsibility to make sure those conditions are met before jumping into bed? (Special thanks to St. Paul Bureau Chief Lorie for the tip.)See our last depraved sex crime story: 4 People Gang Rape Woman Because She Owes The $40.
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If he did rape her,then this was a miscarriage of justice. The story indicates she gave different and conflicting accounts of the assault. It also indicates she had accused her father and other men of sexual assault-some of them could not be proven. She also claimed her father forced her into prostitution. The story didn't offer the father's side. The prosecution definitely didn't want the defense to question her about her prior allegations,and her past as a prostitute. I'm thinking it must have been pretty damming if the prosecutor went for a plea deal. So it's certainly possible he raped her as she said-but it's equally possible is was not rape,or maybe the truth has yet to be told by either party.
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This wasn't a racist sentence. He got 18 months because he brutally raped a mentally unstable and abused woman. http://www.mideastyouth.com/2010/09/05/israel-rape-by-deception-turns-out-to-be-brutal-rape-of-a-vulnerable-and-abused-woman/
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If she was a PROPER jewish woman she wouldnt hav had premarital sex!!!!!
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@ccccc, I did mention the responsibility for women who lie, in my original comment, way up there. ("Guys can do the same. Don't be so quick to get in a girl's pants and you give yourself a chance to learn first if she is lying to you, saying ANYTHING to get you to marry her, entrapping you with her lies. You get a chance to meet her mom and see what she'll look like at that age. But then, for the brain in the skull to overrule the brain in the pants is the weakness men have to control. For the brain in the skull to overrule the emotions in the heart is the weakness women have to control.") Putting the blame for men's behaviour back on their mothers does more to perpetuate the madonna-whore misogyny of women than anything I've suggested. Men are responsible for how they act once they're legally required to be. Not their mothers. Men and women are not the same. We are equally endowed with rights, but we exercise them quite differently. So long as men have superior upper body strength, and greater protection in court, then there is no equality, no matter how much we insist otherwise. Have a nice day.
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Dude, "I would hate to live life that way, in constant paranoia or fear, and my wife is 100% against having any guns or weapons in our house (bar a kitchen knife, golf club or a baseball bat)." Sounds like your wife is the one that's paranoid to me. I've owned firearms all of my life, and there's no sense of paranoia. They are simply a tool that we sometimes use. Not much different than owning a power saw when you think about it. Either could harm someone if misused, but for most of us they are very useful items to have around.
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Oh yeah, one last thing. Alexa mentioned that men must take responsibility for their actions and the crime rate. While true, we cannot ignore that these men were reared by women who presumably instilled in them the values that helped make them what they are today. This is a societal issue- not a man-specific issue. We're different, we're equal, and we sure as hell should ALL be accountable.
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@ccccc I agree. It makes her look like an idiot.
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Has anyone mentioned that women lie their butts off to bed people too? Lying is not endemic to men alone. I'm all for equality. That means recognizing that men and women are equally capable of both good and heinousness. The woman-as-madonna stereotype isn't doing us any favors. It's as equally damaging as the women-as-whore stereotype. Perhaps even more damaging as, at first glance, it isn't immediately recognizable as bad thing. This woman let this man do time in prison for having sex-regret. She has changed her story (lied). It seems that she refuses to accept any accountability. But it must have been his fault because that innocent lamb of a woman could never have made such decisions without his influence right? Personally, if I were her, I'd rather be thought of as a capable sex-seeking adult than an innocent moron incapable of sound decision-making, swayed by any pretty words.
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¡Salud! :::: D'oh correction: Illicit is oh so wrong. I meant elicit. And, "crimes committed by men plummets" should be "plummet." Thatisall. *chagrin*
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It WAS surprisingly pleasent indeed. :) Thank you, and have a great one!
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Oh, I neglected to add, and as I have mentioned at another post, "Saiqa Akhter," it is true that in some jurisdictions, women are not sufficiently prosecuted or punished, simply because they are women. It serves no one for them to skate. Be that as it may, when crimes committed by men plummets, preferably by their own volition, then other enduring problems may finally get the attention and funding freed up by the reduction in the need for fighting crime at large.
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Es usted muy amable. Le agradezco su punto de vista reflexivo y cuidadoso. Me paresca, que el idioma es el Portugues? Si es asi, es un lenguaje hermosa. Unfortunately, to men, who have little to no natural expectation of being seen as a potential victim, to consider being lethally armed, as a matter of course, would feel "paranoid," particularly if you were never raised with, nor believe in, 2nd Amendment Right entitlement and enjoyment. To women and for women, it is not paranoia, it is acceptance of reality. Of course, I'm not always right, but it does take a strong argument well argued to persuade me that I have it wrong. Most commenters here are not inclined to go to that extent. Often, it depends on the topic. And so it goes. Yes, something tragic did happen... the details of which I will only allude to here... somethings will remain private, for my sake, for now.... That you personally, individually, do denounce crimes against women and children is not in dispute, not really. What is the lingering issue is that men, as a group, do not sufficiently denounce and fight it with the fervor women and children deserve. Because when men join together to make a wrong right, they are unstoppable and the changes happen very fast. (An example that jumps to mind is the gay activist organization ACT UP.) Your opinion is not worthless-- it is just not powerful enough on its own. Not to effectuate the changes we need to see crimes against women, children, elderly and animals to trend downwards sharply, steadily and surely. I understand that often men feel compelled to remind me that there are cases of men being abused and harmed by women. When the crimes committed by women against men reaches parity with that of men against women, then that reminder will illicit a call for women to be equally and vigorously denounced and prosecuted. I enjoy it greatly when I can discuss a matter forthrightly with another commenter, without defensiveness or rancor. This was such a discussion. We may rarely agree, but when we disagree civilly, it helps reduce the savagery of the interwebs by a little bit. Otra ves, gracias. Equalmente a Ud., disfrute con su familia un tarde seguro, calma y brillante, cordialmente.
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I can see where your coming from, but I am sorry nobody in my family, immedieate or otherwise, owns or carrys guns. I would hate to live life that way, in constant paranoia or fear, and my wife is 100% against having any guns or weapons in our house (bar a kitchen knife, golf club or a baseball bat). You also have to accept, you are not always unequivocally right, and much you post here is based on opinions you have formed through, possibly your own experiences. Personally I feel sympathy for you, since something tragic must have happened in your life to hold such strong views about women and guns, and also men. :( Secondly, I do loudly denounce such behaviour, I have no idea where you get the idea we all need to join some clubs or our otherwise our opinion is worthless? I have called the cops, as well as intervened myself when I have witnessed abuse. But I must remind you, I have also witnessed abuse by women towards men. While I understand it more rare, it does and will continue to happen and the fact that men are more often the assailants rather then victims, makes it no less despicable when it happens. To me it is not a question of sex or race. I cahmpion for equal human rights, period. I respectfully, have to disagree with some of your opinions. Hopefully you are understanding enough that my personal beliefs don't discriminate bigotry or unfairness, regardless of sex or race. It is my belief, you are often "jumping on the gun" a tad too quick for my taste. But I accept that you have not only the right to feel the way you do, but quite possibly a history that I am not privy off that has made you champion womens and childrens rights specifically. Tenha uma tarde maravilhosa. Eu acredito que você e uma mulher inteligente e corajoso.
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Who says? Every single woman and child who continues to suffer crimes committed by men that other men do not loudly and frequently denounce with not just their voices, but their political demands, their political donations, their donation of time and personal involvement, with an urgency and refusal to soften that advertises unequivocally that men will not tolerate, at all, the criminal acts of fellow men. Because men take other men more seriously than they do women. When men go out of their way to furnish the women in their lives with the training, support and cover for their full enjoyment of their 2nd Amendment Right, I'll believe that men really do finally truly understand the horror of living as a potential victim simply for being less strong than a man. When men make it their personal principle to believe the woman first, to believe the child first, I'll believe men at large are comprehending just how dangerous it is to be around men. Gavin deBecker, a personal security service company owner, wrote a book called "The Gift of Fear." A book I highly recommend any man give to his wife, daughter, sister and mother. In it, he explains a small experiment he conducts when speaking with anyone. He asks men what they are most afraid of from the opposite sex. The number one answer they give is "of being laughed at." The number one fear of women is "of being killed." You will appreciate, I hope, the stark and poignant difference of gravity and magnitude. Just having a feeling inside your chest of hating the continuing persecution and oppression of women is not enough. And please keep in mind, many of the women who comment here are victims. ¿Que no? ;)
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Who says I, or many Western men, don't have equal or even more sympathy to the horrible treatment of women in many parts of our beatifull World? I will not however agree that opinions that try to chump all men in to the same cesspool of woman haters, is not equally disgusting, or showing lack of sympathy for something that is clearly bigotry and wrong, just due to a knee jerk reaction to the fact men are involved. C'est horrible! ;)
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Hey, I said something nice about their general overall pulchritudinous-ness, including the rest of their inherent values, you did not. Apparently, I'm not the only one who doesn't think it's a little harsh, especially when considered in the same consciousness as what is done to women who are accused of adultery, like in Iran. Women have been suffering unfair punishment for similar transgressions and even less, such as the crime of daring to be raped, at the hands of men, for far, far longer than the reverse. No, women do not have an equal amount of work to do. Men do vast majority of the victimizing. THEY have a lot more work to do. I'm sorry if you think that constitutes hating men, because it doesn't. It means I'm noticing all the crap men keep getting away with and keep expecting women to let them get away with. N'est pas? ;]
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Hey, you called her HAWT, not me. :) So I would say you were the one to bring appearances into the equation. ...and while I understand you resentment of men and their actions, don't you think it's a little harsh to think this man should be in jail? Hate has never cured a thing, and your attitude about men in general, is rather displeasing to those of us that can't relate with your generalisations. It sounds like "women like you" have equally much work to do. ;)
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@Dude, when Germany becomes a theocracy and institutes similar religious laws for the land, we'll talk. I don't think religion should be involved with the law, but, it's their country, they get to do it the way they like. Here we go with the interwebs joystick unlicensed psychiatry. Yeah, I've got issues with men, because men have issues they won't fix. So, when men are not committing most of the crime on the planet, and women and children are not the victims of said crimes, then we can relax. Until then, men have a lot of work to do. Starting with you it would appear. You know, more of that judging women on their appearance thing. *kiss kiss*
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Lets change a bit on the story. A German court sentence a Jew for rape on a German girl. They met on the street, five minutes later after getting to know each other intimately and well, they fuck their brains out in the first empty place they could fine. The the German girl found out he was a Jew, and filed a complaint for rape, AND WON! How would the story be aired in Israel? It's really a no brainer, so why even discuss it? Ofcourse Israelis could claim that Palestinians are animals, and there is laws against fucking animals some places, so the Palestinian ought to be tried for cross species copulation. The girl did not know she was getting it on with an animal, he seemed so nice getting to know him in the elevator to the office where they would have their fun, that no one could have believed he really was not human. Alexa, if your serious, you have some serious issues with men. Smooches scmooches, but I hope nobody seriously compared you to that fugly Coulter. ;)
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@Russell -- re "Eastern beliefs and customs are now, and probably always will be alien to Westerners" -- if you refer to the view of rape as dishonoring and defiling the victim, that was also a Western belief as recently as 100 years ago. It's why a common euphemism for rape was "a fate worse than death".
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@Joel Ackerman, your so cute when you feign no comprendes. But thanks for pretending to not have noticed. Although, I don't know why, 'cos the tolerate-anything-looney-left BTK-anyone-who-disagrees JournOlista is just your speed: Spencer Ackerman, 'Call Them Racists' h t t p ://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748703724104575379200412040286.html Anyway. Coulter? She's HAWT! (I've been compared to a petite, Filipina-blooded, HAWT, super-brainiac, super-erudite and super-nice, common sense rich columnist, writer and pundit AND a tall, slender, WASP-ish, HAWT super-smart, super-articulate, provocative lawyer, writer and pundit. In one week! I better go bake a cake.) Hope you're having a swell weekend sweetums and don't forget to mow the lawn (wink wink nudge nudge)!
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@Alexa Coulter I guess Ackerman is an inside joke between you and you because i surely have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I think your authoritarianism goes a bit too far and thankfully lying to women will never be illegal. Furthemore, how you can not see this as a deplorably discriminatory and racist law is beyond me, especially as it's coming from a group of people who are constantly telling the rest of us to "never forget". Another thing, is it really possible for someone to be a militant feminist and from the far right? I guess so.
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WOW, Leah.. So true.. Your father is a wise man:)I love reading your comments "Angry Grandma"..
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Ugh.
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@Qwerty I am not an advocate of blame the victim-but this woman is an adult. Should he have lied to her-no. Should she have used some judgement before having sex with someone she just met-yes. And yes,a fully grown female should have known better. Another thing that bothered me about her was the lie she told. She claimed,he forcibly raped her. After that story didn't work,they prosecuted him for rape by deception. If he had gotten convicted of rape he would have gone to prison for a very long time. He is a bastard for sure,but she was willing to send him to prison because she had buyers remorse. And I do believe that if she was that easy she is not the vestigal virgin she is trying to pretend she is.
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Give qwerty a kweepie doll! You are correct about the Serbs. And the reason was that the Muslim women that were raped were cut off by their own families. They were ostracised just like they were harlots. It didn't matter that it was done by force. Many were kept in camps and raped daily in hopes they would be impregnated. A peculiar and sadistic, but effective tactic of warfare. The whole point is that Eastern beliefs and customs are now, and probably always will be alien to Westerners. We don't see a matter of deception as rape, but they do!
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Russell said: "He's just lucky that it was an Israeli court. If they'd been caught in the act in Palestinian territory and dragged before a Muslim judge, what do you think the sentence would be for laying with an infedel? Keep in mind also that Muslim peoples and their enemies have used rape as a feature of warfare for a long time. Just look at some of what went on in the Balkans just a few years ago, Croats, Serbs, and Ethnic Albanians fought each other when Yugoslavia broke up and organised, systematic rape was used extensively. If this Israeli girl got pregnant her family would have almost certainly disowned her." Muslim people's and their enemies? You mean their Christian enemies? The most widespread and systematic use of rape was carried out by Christian Serbs in the Balkans during the period you speak of. I don't think punishments are all that harsh for Palestinian men who have relations with infidels. But Palestinian women who have even the HINT of contact with male non-relative are at risk of perishing in an honor killing that won't be investigated or punished by authorities.
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diamondgirl9, I didn't assume that the woman would not have sex the guy if she knew he was a married Arab. I read statements to that effect in the news coverage of this legal case. Do you really think that other people having previously "tapped that" should have any bearing on any kind of rape case? I think this "rape by deception" concept is analogous to the idea of theft via fraud. We have laws concerning violent theft and laws concerning theft via nonviolent fraud. The two crimes may not merit the same punishment, but they are both crimes. I think people are getting tripped up by it being called rape. If they called it "seduction by deception" rather than "rape by deception", probably some folks will be less unsettled by the idea, even if the legal punishment is the same. And really, in a country in which the law is already on the books, shouldn't claims that a person "should know better" apply to this man as much as they do to the woman? Wouldn't the word "should" apply to a wrong-doer (as in "should not rape", "should not molest", "should notsteal", "should not lie") before it applies to his victim ("should know better").
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He's just lucky that it was an Israeli court. If they'd been caught in the act in Palestinian territory and dragged before a Muslim judge, what do you think the sentence would be for laying with an infedel? Keep in mind also that Muslim peoples and their enemies have used rape as a feature of warfare for a long time. Just look at some of what went on in the Balkans just a few years ago, Croats, Serbs, and Ethnic Albanians fought each other when Yugoslavia broke up and organised, systematic rape was used extensively. If this Israeli girl got pregnant her family would have almost certainly disowned her.
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@Joel Ackerman, I wuv you long time too honey bunny muffin buns! *smooches*
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@alexa- Well that answers my question. Now I know beyond any reasonable doubt that you're crazy.
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@qwerty You are assuming she would not have had sex with him if she knew he was Arab and married. Most women would have the common sense to at least date him a few times to determine if he was on the up and up. No,he told her he was single and jewish and that was enough for her to spread her legs. If she is that gulliable I'm sure he's not the only one that has tapped that thing.
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@Sharon I agree. I have zero sympathy for her-she should have known better.
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Diamondgirl......kind of sounds like to me that this girl had a case of sexual regret. There is term for it but I don't know what it is. It is where someone has sex and then regrets it and cries rape. Some do it because parents be non to happy to say the least. Especially this kind of situation where their nice jewish daughters is "covorting" with a non jewish boy. I could be wrong.
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I read this story on CNN. According to that story,this woman's first claim was that she was forcibly raped. When that didn't fly she agreed it was consentual. The D.A. then went for rape by deception. The deception being he told her he was single and he is married. I found it interesting that if she was so worried about her reputation-why did she have sex with him in broad daylight in an abandoned building? Being a slut is not the way to get a hubby.
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If I am stupidly walking through a rough area of town at 3am and someone forcibly rapes me, I may bear a lot of responsibility for putting myself at risk, but it doesn't absolve the rapist of the crime of raping me. Likewise in this case, no matter how imprudent this woman's behavior was, Kashur violated his country's laws by lying to her about both his identity and marital status (he has wife and kids), and is responsible for deceiving her about himself to the point that she acted intimately with a person she would not have if she had the truth about him. The punishment in Israel for this crime is not as great as the punishment for physically forcible rape.
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I agree that she definitely had the opportunity to stop the liason at any time. That being said, we are talking about a part of the world where your familiy may shun you, or your chance for further relationships is ended by this sort of thing. So I think the charge has to be more severe, because it causes more permanent damage to the woman and her reputation than being a lying bastard does here in America. And guess what laws against "Rape by Deception" exist here too. It is just rarely used. As for getting proof of "Jewishness" what would that be? Do you carry proof of your religion?
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My thought is if she didn't open up her legs on first date, this would have never had happen. By second date or at least third, she would have heard him praising Allah and then the jig would have been up. Moral of story..always have someone say grace before you eat or are "eaten." Crude...I know but think ablout it. *ggl*....doo doo is really gonna hit my fan now!!
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That's what I was thinking about taking your own responsibility, Mark, only you said it much better. You just can't live life believing shitbags, like your ex, will be responsible for upholding your own morals.
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@Hammer, I meant to mention this in my last post, there are plenty of Jews under Islamic law. In fact, I believe that Islam is a spin-off of Judaism. I know that both are considered Abrahamic religions, I just can't remember any other details. I just don't think it would be that hard to confuse an Arabic person with a Jewish person considering that some middle easterners people are actually Jewish.
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I once told my ex that her sleeping with me while deceptively having affairs behind my back was tantamount to rape as I would not have willingly continued relations with her had I known about her extra-curricular activities. HOWEVER, did I ask for rape charges to be brought against her for doing such? No, because I'm an adult and I understand personal accountability. I made a decision in good conscience based upon faulty data. I should have been more careful in my selection of a partner. My ex deceiving me was immoral on her part, but shouldn't be considered illegal because the fault falls entirely upon me for having misjudged my ex, blindly placing my trust in her, and believing her lies. So it is with this case. Whether he blatantly lied to her by saying he was Jewish or whether he lied by omission by conveniently leaving out being Arab doesn't matter as it is still a lie. Lying is immoral. Lying to bed someone is immoral. However, lying, unless it is while under oath and can be considered Perjury, or is done to cause physical or monetary harm to person or property under Tort Law, is not illegal. Basically, the woman in this case is shirking her own personal accountability. She slept with a man she just met on the first date? What a whore! (Not that I haven't done the same, so by no means am I judging here...just pointing out that if she truly was innocent of any culpability in this exchange, then she would have gotten to know him over a significantly longer period of time before going straight for the goal-line). Seriously, what kind of person takes their sexuality so carelessly that they would take a stranger's word at face value and then screams foul when they realized they were not only too naively trusting, but was also a slut for being overly eager to jump into the sack. Sure, just as in my example at the beginning of this comment, I'm sure that she felt that it was tantamount to rape...because morally it is on the same level. However, the law shouldn't uphold morality (religious or secular), especially when culpability falls upon the victim in this case, and not entirely upon Sabbar Kashur. Fine, Israel wants to be a Religious State even though only a very small percentage of the population is actually practicing the State Religion. Alrighty...then if you are going to be a Jewish State that enforces Rabbinical Law, then make the sentence fit with Rabbinical Law! I believe that Talmud states that sex out of wedlock cannot be considered rape so long as the two wed. Perhaps a more appropriate judgment in this case would have been a "Shotgun Wedding". If the judge gave Kashur the choice of marriage to the victim or prison (which for many both options are considered jail sentences), then I might have been able to swallow the judgment. As it is now, it is just ridiculous to enforce such a stiff religiously-biased legal judgment upon Kashur for something that amounts to nothing more than "Buyer's Remorse" on behalf of the victim. What's next? Is it going to be legally considered "Rape" if you break up with a girl you intended to marry because you got cold feet before the wedding day? Is it going to be legally considered "Rape" if you back out of a relationship because of irreconcilable differences (such as when Princess Snowflake is bat-shit crazy)? Is it going to be legally considered "Rape" if Princess Snowflake doesn't get at least one orgasm during sex? Where do you draw the line on this slippery slope? At what point, if ever, does Princess Snowflake have to take culpability for her own choices and actions? This is just asinine, IMHO...although asinine decisions are nothing new for Israel. Maybe the Israeli women need to learn the phrase "Caveat Emptor". That phrase has served Americans well for the past 200 years.
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What man, or woman for that matter, hasn't lied to a partner at some point in time? Man: You are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, I think I'm falling in love with you. Woman: I'm not looking for anything serious, I'm not like that. I don't get attached. I hate to say this, but we all lie from time to time. Especially when we are just trying to BS our way through a quick conversation before we casually get it on. I would like to know what kind of precedent these people think they are setting by sending a man to jail for allegedly lying. If it is true that he went to jail for pretending to be Jewish or making the woman think he was Jewish when he wasn't, then I find this whole situation ridiculous. Is it really just the man's responsibility to be honest and tell all when it is just a simple date and one-nighter? When I barely know someone, the last thing I want to do before a romp in the sack is go through a checklist of things they might need to know before we get it on. I could understand her suit if he had given her an STD, but this is beyond insane.
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Who lied? Not me, remember, I was a slut.
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"As a guy, I have never lied to get with a female." Either you just DID (again)... or you don't get laid much. (I'm kidding)
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@CW -- sad thing -- the shirt story is true and it happened to me last week! $#@&&%^
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CT !!! you're crackin me up this morning...thank you :D
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DAMN IT %$#^&^&@@ - double post - what the fart just happened?
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@Leah 0 good one @CW - perfect statement -- "not by our standards anyway." It sort of like the time I bought this Lacoste shirt on Ebay for $20 and it shows up and the f*cking alligator looks like a cat! #^%$#$&* I should have known going into it that something wasn't right and I didn't do my homework. I got screwed -- and so did she -- in a lot of ways.
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CW said something that as soon as I read it, I said, exactly. "I don't believe it's rape either-not by our standards anyway." Not by our standards. That says a lot. @Leah, amen! I can't relate to being seduced with BS - I was such a slut when I was younger
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I read he's also married-and yes he never actually said he was one thing or another but apparently when he introduced himself to her he gave a name that is common in the Jewish community. I don't believe it's rape either-not by our standards anyway.
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But we've all been with guys who will say ANYTHING to cajole, convince, persuade, influence, wear down, charm and win their way into our pants. So, we return, over and over again to the essential dilemma: men want their women to be sweet, kind, amenable and agreeable. But. When women aren't agreeable to being seduced, they resist the man's romantic efforts, no matter how hard he tries, then she becomes the ball-buster, the frigid witch, the tease. Honestly, when you like a guy, the longer he works you over with his words, the harder it becomes to keep resisting. And they know it. See, I have a problem with all the responsibility getting shifted entirely on to the woman. Time and again, we take our focus off the misbehaviour of the guy, allowing him to skate, and we turn our laser beam scolding onto the girl. Hold the guy, the liar, the cheater, the smooth talker, responsible for fraud, then we might actually get farther along faster. Which is what happened here. I think it's a step in the right direction. I'm glad this guy is going to jail. It should happen more often. Lie to the woman, especially if she is interested in only being with her own kind (I can't wait for the accusations of xenophobia to get launched), entrap her with your lies, then you should go to jail. Guys can do the same. Don't be so quick to get in a girl's pants and you give yourself a chance to learn first if she is lying to you, saying ANYTHING to get you to marry her, entrapping you with her lies. You get a chance to meet her mom and see what she'll look like at that age. But then, for the brain in the skull to overrule the brain in the pants is the weakness men have to control. For the brain in the skull to overrule the emotions in the heart is the weakness women have to control. Yeah, I'm not optimistic either.
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Lolol she obviously realized her mistake when her potential husband wan't circumsized!! Maybe mext time she's looking for a soul mate in a bar she should check for the presence of a foreskin before she throws her ass in the air... i agree john smalls... total hootchie
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Damn, this story is so wrong. As a guy, I have never lied to get with a female. But to lock this man up for lying and not her as well for lying about rape. Either way this woman was get some that night. And because he didn't tell her the truth he is doing a year and a half. That's just wrong. And to all the females that keep saying all guys would be locked up, maybe you need to know them a little better before giving them some. If he is that good of a guy he will wait.
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OK, I'm never one to blame the victim but cut me a freaking break. She is not a victim. Sounds to me like someone gave up the goods a little too quickly without checking ID - too bad, so sad. This is pathetic. Ah, sorry to guy bash - I like men, really I do, but what guy for the most part is interested in a serious relationship with a woman who they meet and "greet" on the 1st date? I'm sure it happens all of the time - but the odds are against any woman giving it up on the 1st date.
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Wow...well...don't really know what to say on this one. If he's going to jail for lieing then I know a lot of men and women that would go to jail as well. But what I don't get, was she more upset that he wasn't Jewish or was she more upset that he didn't want a long-term relationship? Also, I don't know about anyone else, but Jewish people and Arabs look different.
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Separation of church and state. 'Nuff said. And I completely agree with previous comments about lying = rape by deception. Every man in America would be in jail if that was true. Oh also agree about the total slut comment. She's easy and she fell for a lie. Regardless of race, religion, or political bend, she was willing to sleep with the guy. Too bad, so sad. Got an issue? Here's a tissue. Live and learn and move on honey. Based on your actions that night, this won't be the last time you get tang scammed from you.
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Wait a minute? If this had happened in an Arabic country, the woman would have been arrested and stoned for her crime of sex without a husband. And this dude just strolls up and hey, i'm jewish and i wanted to know you better so we can get married? So lets have sex (even thought we don't really know each other) and then we can get married? WTF is that all about? That's how i'm reading this story! Also, i guess i gotta ask.... How she find out afterwards? He wasn't nipped? didn't **** like a jew? What? I don't think he said as pillow talk, Oh BTW i'm not jewish i'm and Arab? yeah that happened!!!! Hey sorry, i had to ask. I always wondered if different nationalities have different equipement or did things different then a good old USA boy!!! Just not got the cajones to try a different meal!!!!! Steak for me. Sorry! TGIF!!!!!!
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As a son of abraham myself, I think this is ridiculous. Next thing you know someone will get arrested for eat pork 'turkey bacon'
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@Sarah LOL! You and just about every other female on the planet. Hell I always assume they are lying about something.
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Actually, the guy didn't claim to be Jewish. He just didn't disclose that he was Arab.
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If lying to get some is rape by deception, well almost every guy I've ever known would be in some serious trouble.
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I think she's a total slut.
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