Fugitive Watch: Klaas Faber, Nazi killer, Living With Impunity In Germany

• @ Mark et al. Is Operation Paperclip a stain? I remember how depressed I was in December of 1979 after the USSR had just invaded Afghanistan. The USSR had client states in Angola, Mozambique, Somalia (Siad Barre) & Ethopia. It looked like they had Africa all wrapped up. The created, fostered & supported terrorist groups like the Bader Meinhof gang. It is easy being a terrorist, who is down with the struggle, if you can kill & then slip across the border to live in decadently in 5 star luxury at Moscow's expense. People like gold digger Kerry (who served in Vietnam & Winter Soldier & a known Quisling) supported unilateral nuclear freeze. The left in Europe was very strong. So all in all it seemed like the USSR was winning from 1975 to 1979. After all craven democrat congressmen cut off aid to South Vietnam in 1975. The only difference between the North Vietnamese invasion of 1972 & 1975 was that congress cut off aid & American air support. The South Vietnamese Army was doing the dying & fighting. So the craven democrats did their part for the communist struggle emanating from Moscow Given that we were in a world wide struggle with International communism centered in Moscow, I would have held my nose and enlisted people with certain technical skills too like Von Braun. The Russians certainly enlisted "NAZI" scientists, but I guess that is okay and we should play by Queensbury rules. And you forgot to mention Unit 731, which makes be question your bona fides. I am also suspicious of people that go back 65 years to prosecute & defend the good life. Why not rou8nf up & go back 100 years. That would show that you care and are a stalwart & a paragon of justice. I am suspicious of people, who want to right wrongs of over half a century ago and ignore the ones now. For all the wrongs done now do you want to schedule and inquest for 2150? I mean after all you are just swamped, swamped with prosecutions of days gone by.

• Or was it Project Paperclip, think it was that. Here's an excerpt from his wiki entry: "In April 2009 Faber was listed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center as one of most important Nazi era war criminals still at large.[8] In July 2009 it was reported that the German government may want to prosecute Faber after all[5] though other sources say that he enjoys immunity from prosecution."

• Mark is absolutely correct, Operation Paperclip. Definitely a black stain on American history, and sadly, also one which probably allowed us to develop the atomic bomb faster than we would have and probably a lot of medical knowledge with dubious methods and sources that was still going on behind our backs. A lot of the nazis also found sanctuary in South American, for some weird reason. The were involved in torture training camps and weird pedophile colonies and predictable repulsive behavior like that.

• I have grown to find the "glass house" idiom rather tiresome, useless and frankly cowardly. Ooh, let's be scared of being held accountable and let's be more interested in preserving our own self-view and thus our pristine house of glass. WTF? Yeah, let's pretend like we're capable of owning the impossibly perfect standard of never having sinned and therefore disarm ourselves of righting a wrong because we haven't achieved the impossible standard personally. Uh-huh. No, I'm not falling for that trite over-used cop out anymore. Germany is easily, far and away, the more responsible party to right their wrongs and we should be trying to help. That we've had screw ups in the past doesn't mean we're doomed to never earn credit for fixing those screw ups now.

• So, if you live in a glass house, which really, we all do, but let's say you live in a glass house, all the stones piling up in the road just have to keep piling up? We're supposed to just ignore the growing traffic jam?

• @alexa, ??? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya ;) What I was saying is that people in Glass Houses should not throw stones. As the United States of America is just as guilty as Germany has been in harboring and keeping Nazi War Criminals from Justice, we don't have a leg to stand on criticizing the German government for not turning this Nazi over. Just as the United States of America is hard on China for it's violation of Human and Civil Rights yet turn around and commit violations of Human and Civil Rights ourselves right after criticizing them, it would be equally as hypocritical for us to criticize Germany for doing precisely the same thing we have been doing for the past 65 years ourselves. Democracy may be hypocrisy without limitation, or so Iskander Mirza claims, but that doesn't make hypocrisy acceptable. I believe these Nazi War Criminals should be brought to Justice, even in their twilight years, but know well enough not to point fingers at others when one's self is guilty of the same offense. The Netherlands are better off petitioning Israel for help putting diplomatic pressure on Germany to hand this guy over, as all they would get if they asked the United States to put diplomatic pressure on Germany is hysterical laughter from the Germans and something about the kanne calling the kessle schwarz.

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• So, Mark, America is really all that omnipotent, omniscient and omnivorous? Wait, not that last one, that's China, heh.

• The United States gave amnesty to many Nazi War Criminals after the war. Most were put to work with the Department of Defense, and without employing Nazi War Criminals we probably wouldn't have had made it to space as with the exception of a few Americans, our early Rocketry program was primarily German War Criminals. Actually, it is difficult to condemn German government for turning a blind eye to this War Criminal considering the CIA spent decades protecting not only the War Criminals we provided amnesty to, but to those who fled the Nuremberg Trials and hid in either East Germany or in South America! I'm genuinely surprised the Netherlands hasn't approached the Simon­ Wiesenthal Center and gotten this guy tagged by Operation Last Chance. Although, I'm not sure if I could, in good conscience, accept a Mossad kidnapping to bring him to trial (as was done with Adolf ­Eichmann in 1960). Although I do believe that Justice should be served, even if it is 65 years late, I don't believe that two wrongs somehow make a right. The sovereignty of Germany should be honored, even if they are preventing another sovereign nation from seeking the Justice they deserve. This is generally when it is more appropriate to put on political pressure through diplomatic channels until he is handed over.

• Too many criminals from WWII in Germany got away with multiple murders. The ones who caused all the Jews to be killed during the Holacust. The snucked away and hide all over the place. Including having the cajones to immigrate to the US. A few years ago, there were 2 or 3 ex nazi soldiers who were arrested and charged with war crimes from the death camps. and they had been living in the US and everything. Seems we only hear about the 'famous' ones. But a lot of the soldiers immegrated as well to other countries. And not to many people hear about them until they are arrested and charged or if they die. Some of the soldiers in the Nazi's were only following orders. and others were just plain evil. But even if all they did was their jobs, they are still accountable for the harm they caused. But hardly no one in Germany will ever be charged in Germany. Fact of life.

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