Video: Pakistan Mob Beats, Hangs Suspected Teenage Robbers

• @ Devil's Advocate, No sir, the US military did not "drag" Sadams's sons through the streets and soldiers that were doing humiliating things weren't "killing" the prisoners in Abu Garav. Furthermore, those soldiers involved were held accountable for their actions and punished. So please, enough with your anti-American agenda pushing bullshit. People like you really make me sick. STFU. Looks like you're "casting the stones" and you don't even know what you're aiming at.

• That ship has sailed. I proved my points long ago, despite you not wanting to admit it. Saying you were being an ass about it wasn't name calling. I don't particularly think you are an ass, but you were, however, acting like one in that instance. So, no I didn't resort to name calling, I responded to what you said. You on the other hand, had to put words in my mouth because I wasn't saying what you wanted me to. Too bad. I guess. I am having a great weekend, thanks! You do the same - don't drink too much wine (people may think you have a problem, you know how gossip mongers are!).

• Good decolite, you resort to name calling pretty fast. That'll win you arguments, sure. That along with your verbose diatribes. Have a lovely weekend.

• Alexa, Don't go putting words in my mouth, OK. I didn't say I think the GUILTY should get away with shit. I said you were pretending to support one position, then flip flopping on the issue (are you by chance a politician? They are notorious for that.) As I already said once, I am not saying I agree or disagree with vigilantism. I know what I believe and if you had bothered to ask, so would you. Instead you put words in my mouth, which I don't appreciate. I know where I stand on issues and I don't flip flop on them (unless of course new factual evidence is presented to me then I am happy to say, oh I was wrong). In regards to Musharaff, I didn't confuse anything. I even quoted your text - you said what you said so just admit you didn't know something and move on. There is a lot in the world we don't know, it's nothing to be ashamed of. I wasn't busting your chops on not being a student of Pakistan political history. You asked a damn question and I answered it. By the tone of your posts, you clearly seem as if you are embarrassed and there really is no need to be. I wouldn't know what I know if I wasn't married to a Pakistani, therefore I have the inside scoop. But please don't take a self righteous, rude attitude with me for simply answering your questions. Why get pissed in a friendly exchanging of information and ideas? As for the nonsense about making all belief systems worse equally bad so as not to seem like a hypocrite, all I can say is, you shouldn't be so self-important to think that I would do that "on your account". I say what I think whether you were here or not and that is how I feel so how about you allow me to have my feelings and beliefs on my own view of religion that I had long before I ever knew of you. I am able to see the religions for what they are because I do not ascribe to any of them. Those who do in any way, cannot because they are in denial. Plain and simple, at least that is what I believe. You say the president is not the major one, it is the sexiest? WTH are you talking about? Yes I read your comment, but shit is easily manipulated you know. Anyone with a brain knows AT THE LEAST there was some fishy shit going on in that election. As far as you saying Barry, well I haven't heard him called Barry so I didn't know if you were talking about something else I hadn't heard of before. So, I was clarifying to avoid any confusion, no need to be an ass about it. Regardless, I think even debating with you is pointless because you flip flop too much and then just accuse one of being "confused" or saying that I am taking the wrong meaning from something you clearly stated - all instead of saying oh, I wasn't aware of that. Then you put words in my mouth.

• The president is not the major one, it's the sexiest. The Gore v Bush election was verified by UC Berkeley. You aren't reading my entire comment, are you? You're talking about Hillary v Obama. So am I. WTH? Hillary v Barry.

• decolite, You apparently believe the guilty should get away with it when justice systems fail. I do not. I believe that the natural right to seek justice inherent in every human should not be abdicated to a government entirely. Clearly, doing so allows too many to continue to suffer. I can't stand that. But you can. Then we must agree to disagree on what constitutes justice. Re Musharaff - you are confusing the text of two of my comments and fusing them together. I repeat, I always knew Musharaff pulled a coup. If you're busting my chops because I am not a student of Pakistan political history, well, bust away. If the Pakistani people do not have the government they deserve, why not? What do you keep doing wrong? There are belief systems that are worse than others. Attempting to make all belief systems equally bad so as to spare yourself the risk of being a hypocrite, please, stop. You don't have to do that on my account.

• Yes, we are responsible for the senators, and all the others, but hello the President? That is the major one. He is the one who represents us as a nation to the outside world. The Gore vs Bush election was a sham period. Bush did not really win that election, it was given to him but regardless they both would have sucked so it didn't matter. I am talking about Hillary vs Obama. Hillary had that in the bag but was robbed. She should have been against McCain and I feel she would have won. The truth is our country is ready for an African American president before a female president. It says a lot about how women are still viewed in this country. It's a man's world, honey, and if you're a woman, then that is too bad. But that is another rant for another day :) So, once again, even though the people wanted Hillary as the democratic nominee, it didn't matter because we don't really have a say (which was my point before I got sidetracked LOL)

• Alexa, I did read the comment but you said: "However, depending on the situation at hand, I do also advocate for the holy whupass to be unleashed on certain persons, for American courts and our deformed judicial system will not dispense justice at all." You are saying that our courts won't dispense justice so we should - that is vigilantism. It doesn't matter if you call it "whupass" it is still vigilantism (i.e. taking the law into one's own hands). In regards to Musharaff, you said: "decolite, we all are responsible for the governments we have voted into office. Ultimately, the voters get what they deserve. I do not know how Pakistan works, but last I heard, it is a democracy and there is a one man one vote system" - You were inferring that Pakistani's voted him in (hence your them being a democracy statement, which they aren't really) and you were saying we are [all] responsible for the governments we have voted into office and I was saying that Pakistani's did not vote Musharaff (who was the object of our discussion previously) into office. He pulled a coup detat, so how are Pakistani's getting what they deserve when they never voted him in and they don't vote anyone in. They didn't make those decisions that he made to pretend to be our ally. If you believe that belief systems cause people to commit atrocities should be denounced, then that could be said of most major religions, except maybe Buddhism. Christians, Jews, and Muslims are all guilty of committing atrocities in the name of religion and this has been one of my points all along - that it is all religions. Again, this is my beef with ALL these organized religions. They breed hate and violence. How many wars were started over religion? How many people have died in the name of religion? It just isn't worth it to me. I'm not saying I do or do not believe in God but I don't believe in organized religion.

• Oh, I forgot to add, when it comes to countries that elect their government representatives, oh yes we are responsible for who we vote in. If you are referring to the electoral college here in America, well yes, they cast the actual votes for the president, only. All other elected offices are direct from the populace. If you are referring to the Gore v Bush election, it was ultimately determined by UC Berkeley who did an analysis of the vote count, Bush was the winner of most of the popular vote, after all. As for Hillary v Barry as Democratic nominee, well, that vote was conducted purely based on sentimental reasons.

• decolite, please re-read my comment about whupass and vigilantism. I do believe I specifically mention "due process." I did allow that there are situations, which I do not specifically name, which would call for whupass. You are interpreting "whupass" to mean all kinds of things that I do not. Vis-a-vis Musharaff, I do recall he took power but I wasn't specifically suggesting he was elected, I was talking about his saying one thing to us while doing nothing. There are all kinds of belief systems that do merit denouncement, when they arouse people to commit atrocities. I can think of a few right off hand.

• Alexa, Sorry to confuse you with my opening statements. I was asking why weren't you offended at all the others on here who said nothing in regards to the actual article? That is all I was trying to ask. I don't think someone calling someone else a racist is always meant to shut them up. Perhaps sometimes it is meant to make them aware that they are being racist or at the least saying racist things. Sometimes people may say things they don't realize is racist, but often they do and say them anyway. I just think it is a shame that in 2010 the problem still exists. I have to admit, it is not common for me to comment on websites, so I am not familiar with trolls and the like. I only came here to this website because my brother sent it to me and I was just surprised by the racist shit goin on. I did read that you said you believed I wasn't calling you racist but I didn't know if you were directing that comment at me for calling others racist ;) As for you not wanting to learn about Islam, that is very well your choice and I understand that. I just happen to know about it because of my past experiences. I don't agree with what it teaches myself but when I saw people blaming Islam on what these monsters did, I had to state the facts because facts are necessary in finding the truth. As for you believing Islam is a great guide to life according how the people who follow it live, that is all well and good but that can never happen because it is so open to interpretation. All the major organized religions are open to interpretation so all of it's followers have different beliefs even though they read the same book. It is crazy and that is my biggest beef with religion. As for us being responsible for the people in office, that isn't entirely true now is it. I mean it is to a certain extent but come on, you don't REALLY think we choose our president do you? If we did Bush wouldn't have been in there and Hillary Clinton would be, just to name a few examples. Not to mention it is down to all these delegates and so called super-delegates. It's a BS system plain and simple. As far as Pakistan, they do have a federal parlimentary system. They have both a president and a prime minister and the people do not vote for the president, they vote for people who will choose the president (that is so weird LOL). Musharaff wasn't originally voted in or appointed. He was the military general and pulled a coup detat and got himself in and named himself as the President. The people had nothing to do with it. He was then going to be impeached as it had been agreed to impeach him but he quickly resigned first. Then someone else was actually elected in. I forget his name but I know he was the husband of Benazir Bhutto (who was the first woman leader of a Muslim country). So if I am reading your other comments correctly, you are saying that if someone kills, beats, maims, etc. an accused child molester (i.e. they take the law into their own hands), in some cases that is not vigilantism, it is "whupass" and it is the right thing to do? If that is indeed what you are saying, that is ridiculous. "Doing the right thing" is NOT mislabeled as vigilantism if one is indeed being a vigilante, which is by definition "any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime". Just because you may consider it the right thing to do, does not mean it is not vigilantism. This is what I mean about the hypocrisy, you feel it is OK to be a vigilante if you consider it a worthy cause (i.e. by one being an accused child molester) but you were outraged at the act of vigilantism displayed in the video above. What is the difference? Vigilantism is vigilantism and if the above case of it outrages you so much because of the "lack of due process", then I find it inconceivable how you could feel it is OK to do the same in any other circumstance. I could be off the mark as only you know what you truly think but I think perhaps the above is a case of you needing to say what you mean - maybe you wasn't really outraged at the lack of due process? Maybe you were outraged that these animals murdered two teenage boys - and that is understandable and I feel that way, but if that is what you felt, say what you mean. For the record, I am not saying I don't agree with vigilantism and I am not saying I do, I was merely questioning your wavering disapproval in it.

• decolite, Your opening query in response to my previously last comment is a bit confusing. Are you asking me if I am being hypocritical about calling the hurling of the taunt "racist" a dialogue detour, while not specifically denouncing the same result caused by those who don't call anyone racist but say racist remarks? No, I'm not being hypocritical. Those are two different acts. Calling someone a raaacist is meant to shut them up. Leaving racist remarks may indicate the commenter is in fact a racist, or it may mean they're just trolls trying to upset us. That both acts result in no actual dialogue concerning the instant subject is regrettable, to be avoided and makes me wish Pete would ban it, or at least say something to remind the commenters at large to refrain from it. decolite, I believe I said I believed you when you said you were not calling me a racist in my reply to you--did you not read it? It would stand to reason then that when I said that to you, it would naturally mean I did not and do not consider you a slur hurler. Ok? I didn't say I don't want to be a Muslim just for the hell of it. I said because I don't want to be a Muslim, I have no reason to be interested in its tenets or its practice. Hence, no reason for anyone to lecture me about the Qu'ran or what it says. I don't care what it says. And by that, I do not mean that I thought you were lecturing me about the Qu'ran or were about to; I am speaking about ever by anyone. I'll believe Islam is a great guide to life according to how the people who do believe in it LIVE. If they live a good life that makes me admire them, then Islam and the Qu'ran will find me smiling at them. If they do not, then they won't. "My motto in life is and always has been, there are good and bad in every group of people, no matter their religion, color, political beliefs, etc." What a coincidence, that's how I was raised too. I won't hold any of that against anyone unless and until they force me to. It is entirely up to them how they want me to relate to them. decolite, we all are responsible for the governments we have voted into office. Ultimately, the voters get what they deserve. I do not know how Pakistan works, but last I heard, it is a democracy and there is a one man one vote system. No? I will agree that our respective governments are notorious, true of all governments around the world, for ignoring the voters unless and until the voters make the extra effort to make it very unpleasant to keep doing so. And you touch on another subject that gets thrown in America's face all the time: how we're supposed to know ahead of time which countries or people *won't* blow-back. While I regret that Pakistan is suffering the same, misery does love company. Here's something that keeps amazing me about how people read my comments. Far too many think I aim to own the moral high ground. No, I don't. I aim to get the right thing done. The moral high ground is far too high in the sky, is too often misinterpreted to the point of rendering humans into self-pretzeling pretzels and it is the enemy of justice. Akin to how the perfect is the enemy of the good. As I've pointed out to others who find the threat of hypocrisy to be far too frightening to endure and fight to avoid even the mere appearance of it, if you've been alive for longer than two years, then you will be a hypocrite about something, and as time goes on, more and more things. It is a part of the human condition. Hypocrisy is a failed criticism. Life is far too complicated, far too variegated, far too tempestuous, far too fluid to cling to a false standard of consistency of application of a fixed moral code. That denies a person the option of being flexible in response to a given situation. I do not advocate for the summary execution of child molesters or anyone else for that matter. I advocate for their swift execution after due process. However, depending on the situation at hand, I do also advocate for the holy whupass to be unleashed on certain persons, for American courts and our deformed judicial system will not dispense justice at all. Whupass is not vigilantism. It's doing the right thing. When doing the right thing is mislabeled vigilantism, another word that started out with a righteous and noble meaning and usage, but has since been turned into a "bad word," then I am right: we've all gone mad and world is upside down.

• Alexa, In regards to what you said about calling someone racist or whatever detouring from the debate, where is your objections to the ones who originally detour from the debate by simply saying racist things and nothing in regards to the article? Seems to me like a double standard, especially when one provides information in regards to the article in addition to calling out the racists. As for you saying so called "slur hurlers" cannot win the argument, I guess that depends on the slur hurler now doesn't it. If you are calling me a slur hurler, which I am not as I was pointing out the truth in others who posted, I provided facts and even insight. I countered our argument about certain countries displaying such barbaric acts, etc. But regardless, my intention was to try to make people actually stop and think about something before saying such racist stuff and realize that a whole nation of people cannot be judged because of the acts of a select minority. I know it is a pointless task but I am passionate about the subject matter of racism and prejudice so I try. As far as you not wanting to be Muslim and you saying you don't have to be, all I can say is OK that was random. I don't recall anyone saying you had to be Muslim or anything like that. So I am LOL @ that. I wasn't defending Islam at all. I was just providing the facts that what caused these animals to behave in such a sickening way was not Islam, but fear and hysteria. My husband, who is Pakistani, which means my extended family is also Pakistani, was born a Muslim. I too followed Islam for awhile in my search for spirituality and as such, I learned quite a bit about it. However, when we actually got to researching and learning more in depth about it, we realized it wasn't what they initially try to persuade you it is. As such, we BOTH denounced the religion and we don't follow any organized religion at all now. He told me not long ago that the whole time growing up and having to go to the mosque and stuff, that something about Islam never set right with him, he never believed it fully. So, my point being, I know what Islam is all about and I don't advocate for it, not at all, but facts are facts and religion did not make these animals behave this way. My other point in giving you some background info on me, is that as my extended family are also Pakistani and I lived in a largely Muslim community in London for awhile, I know many Pakistanis and they are not all like the terrorists or the freaks in this video. They are also afraid of the extremists and the mothers and fathers are terrified of their sons becoming extremists. They also deal with it just as we do. Now, that said, there are a small handful in the family that are very political to an extreme point (but they aren't violent or anything) but they are generally shunned by the family. In fact, I can think of only 4 like that and the family is HUGE. It is good to point out that the terrorists usually do what they do because of political reasons, and do it under the guise of their religion. That isn't to say all of them do because of course there are those who do believe they are doing it for their religion. Just as you get the mothers who murder their children because they believe God told them to do it. In the end they are all crazies. I lived in upstate NY when 9/11 happened and I have a deep love for NYC even though I have only visited once and I was devastated by what happened. It's very sad and still I cry when I see something about it and it does make me angry. But, I am smart enough to know that not every single Muslim on the face of the planet was involved with it. My motto in life is and always has been, there are good and bad in every group of people, no matter their religion, color, political beliefs, etc. In regards to them not handing over the heads of UBL and Zawahiri, that was the government, not the mass population. We get mad at the extremists for judging us based on what our government does, but isn't that what many of us do? Furthermore, it was never established 100% that UBL was in Pakistan. They thought maybe, then he was allegedly in some caves, then maybe Pakistan again, it's crazy. If we knew, we'd find his ass. The sick thing is that our country trained UBL and his goons and now he is using all his training against us, but that is another story. I just hope they do get the bastard but there is no proof they are hiding him. I'm not saying they aren't hiding him but there simply isn't proof. No, you aren't supposed to get all worked up over flood victims. If you choose to be callus and not value human life, that is your right. Just as I am sure some of them didn't care about what happened to our people in hurricane Katrina and the other natural disasters. I for one, think it is sad because there are innocent people affected by the flood just as there are probably guilty ones. If those who died were proven terrorists or extremists, then I say good riddance, but I think it is sad for those who are innocent. Furthermore, I didn't say people shouldn't be Islamophobic, i said people should not be RACIST. The key part of that word is RACE. As in people judging all Pakistanis based on what these savage few did. When I mentioned Islam, it was only to point out that Islam had nothing to do with the acts in the video, that is it. My husband is Pakistani so does that mean he is like these freaks in the video? Not at all, he was disgusted and outraged too but based on the generalizations of some of the commentators on this site, he would be. This is my point about not judging the whole based on the few. As far as being a hypocrite, I think you said it all when you said you don't believe we have to notice our own issues first before casting judgment on others. Your right, you don't HAVE to, but it is certainly something to consider before you take the moral high ground. One more thing, speaking of hypocrisy, I had to point out that I was surprised to read your objectivity to vigilantism (via the statement: Dispensing this kind of street justice, without due process, is atavistic savagery.") considering what I read in another post yesterday. It was in the one about the accused child molester getting killed by karma. You spoke of how we should kill more of them (accused child molesters) ourselves. This is vigilantism and yet you are all for that. Do you always waiver on your beliefs or does it call for special circumstances, such as being an accused child molester versus an accused murderer and robber? Just wondering. I mean, I partially agree with you on the child molester thing, but only if they have been found guilty. Child molesters do not get even close to what the deserve in terms of punishment through the courts, neither do rapists, but that is another story.

• On Wednesday, a US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the BBC that the militant group Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan planned to "conduct attacks against foreigners participating in the ongoing flood relief operations in Pakistan". The official said the US government also believed "federal and provincial ministers" may be at risk, but gave no further details of the source of the information. A World Health Organization spokesman said that aid work in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Baluchistan was already being affected by security concerns. Just remember when they are shaking their buckets at you for money for aid,ask them where the money is going to? Savages doesn't even describe these sheep.

• decolite, I have read and re-read your original comment and parts of it made sense, parts of it did not but I did not have the energy or inclination to debate you on them, and then you mentioned me by name, which made me pretty much stop caring about whatever else you had to say. I have been accused of being a racist quite unfairly, quite viciously actually, by various trolls and freaks who sometimes drop in to fart on everyone because they misunderstand my comment. Hence, my raaaacist-o-meter is set to 11. As I was reading at another blog the other day, hurling the raaaaacist slur at someone is only meant to do one thing: shut them up. It is an automatic detour of the debate and essentially announces that the slur hurler doesn't even think the slurred is a human. Why? Because they can't win the argument. Earlydawn did just so, to me. As I sensed you were hinting at the same along with him/her, I took the offensive. You say you were not accusing me of racism in your subsequent comments, and so I will believe you. Earlydawn remains the true racist for he or she insisted on seeing colors where none are mentioned or even suggested. In your original comment you go on to defend Islam. I know a little about Islam, but I am not Muslim, so I am not a student or a follower. Nor do I care to be, and I do not say that derisively, I am simply saying I just don't want to. I don't have to. Anymore than Muslims are supposed to learn more about Christianity or Judaism. Would it behoove everyone to learn a little about everyone's belief systems so as to understand each other a little better? Perhaps. It has been my experience, however, that how you live is a far better attractant to friendly interest than a Q & A between persons in conversation. Which leads to the issue of persons expressing outrage, fear and loathing at what appear to be religious inspired and sanctioned acts of barbarism. Such as depicted in the video. When the first experience most of us have of Islam is the claim of it as inspiration and justification by the 19 mass murderers who committed the annihilation of 3000 people one fine, beautiful, clear day in September going on 10 years ago in a mere few weeks, then do not cry at us for fearing and hating Islam. We didn't go looking for a religion to hate. We were all standing around minding our own business. No, 19 of Islam's practitioners shoved themselves down our throat wishing to harm as many of us as possible. Many of us are still in pain about it and still quite sad about it. I am one of them. Angry Grandma lost a nephew, I believe, in one of those towers. When Muslims insist, no demand that we extend to them special treatment, especially after 9/11, then to me and millions like me, it means that the message is quite clear to all terrorists who selfishly want what they want when they want it, innocent others be damned: terrorism works. So rail all you like about how unfair it is for some of us to be Islamophobic (like the 19 Muslim killers were Americaphobic?), it will not change my heart. No. The only thing that will mend my heart and that of millions like me is for more Muslims to walk up to us and shake our hands and say to us "We do not believe in what those 19 murderers did, we do not believe America deserved any of it, we do not want to shove our beliefs on to you at the mass grave that is Ground Zero, we do not need a mosque or center there and we are telling Rauf to stop, our hearts are broken for the horrible crime against humanity those 19 monsters committed in the name of our religion, and we are trying to convince Pakistan and Afghanistan to turn over UBL and Zawahiri immediately." All religions have had to go through growing pains. All religions are not perfect. But modern forms of the major religions are farther along in getting along with the rest of the world peacefully and respectfully. Whether or not the rough justice dispensed in the video is the result of religious doctrine in Pakistan is really not that big a leap, now is it. If what happened was a bad case of vigilantism rationalized as required by Islam, then please let us know. As it stands, there is a lot that goes on in Pakistan that baffles me. Just as I'm sure there is a lot in America that baffles Pakistanis. What would improve my opinion of Pakistan would be for it to immediately hand over the heads of UBL and Zawahiri. When Musharif kept acting like our friend and yet would never actually help us get UBL, I gave up on caring about Pakistan. Now every time I hear that thousands of Pakistanis have been drowned, yet again, I shrug my shoulders. Sorry, but I just can't get all that worked up about them. Not anymore. Pakistan has been giving America the finger for 10 years now, hiding UBL, protecting him. So I'm supposed to care about Pakistanis? No. Nobody is perfect. But I won't fall for the idea that before we can notice the horrors committed elsewhere that we have to denounce ourselves first in order to demonstrate that we are not hypocrites or something. Please.

• Alexa Kim, I forgot to ad, that I never meant you were saying it only happened because it was in Pakistan because your comments were and that isn't what I meant when I said I made your point invalid. I was talking about your point of saying that barbaric acts no longer occur in Australia, England, Sweden, etc. When I gave you examples, I asked if you thought they were barbaric. Then you wrote me an attacking reply and that is what I said I made your point (about the barbaric acts) invalid. I hope that clears that up. Anyway, back to the actual subject matter of this post... I spoke to my husband (who is of Pakistani heritage but raised in England) about it. He said that by their accents, it sounds like they are from the north or from the west. He said in the north and the west it is mostly like the country and basically a bunch of hicks LOL. He was trying to decipher what they were saying but he couldn't really make it out because they had "thick Punjabi accents". He did get near the end of the video someone saying "they've killed 2 kids" but that was about it. I thought I would just share that bit of info with you guys because it adds to the story.

• Thanks diamondgirl9. Alexa Kim, I was not picking on you. I was asking you a question, there is a very big difference. I didn't personally attack you. I said if you didn't think the acts I mentioned were barbaric then something was wrong you. In regards to what we USED to do allegedly. It isn't all in the past, the stuff I mentioned still goes on. Or are you trying to tell me we have a crime-free society all of the sudden. I mentioned, people being killed based on race, religious beliefs, sexuality, etc. I also mentioned the rapists, murderers, pedophiles, etc. in reference to some judgmental twit calling a whole nation of people bad things based on what a few minority do. People still kill, rape, molest children, etc. The KKK do still march in the streets of our nation. People also still occasionally do exactly what was pointed out earlier about tying black people up to cars and dragging them to their deaths. This is not in the past it still happens. Sure, it isn't as often as it was in decades past, but the fact it happens at all in a so called civilized society is disgusting and this was my point to you about the barbaric acts (because you asked if they happened in the countries you named so I was saying they did) and it was my point to the OTHERS who were degrading all Pakistanis based on what these few idiots did. Most of comments were aimed at other people, but you chose to act as if they were aimed at you. You are either very egotistical or just sincerely confused on my where my comments were directed. Furthermore, you speak of posts not on topic and how offended you allegedly are: that is pretty funny considering you did not write an attacking post to the many other posters on here that strayed from the topic (which is what led me to stray from the topic myself due to my outrage at the racist comments). As such, I am lead to believe you had some kind of beef with my post in particular. Maybe its me denouncing racism or maybe it was a genuine misunderstanding as to what my intentions were. As far as your comment about rehashing the past - it accomplishes a lot actually. If we do not remember our mistakes, how can we avoid repeating them? While, I don't feel people today should have to pay now for the atrocities of the past that we had nothing to do with, I do believe we need to remember them so we can move forward as a society and not repeat the mistakes. So yes, you are right we can still denounce others for such acts, BUT I think we are only fair to do so if we look at our own acts that still go on. What I don't think is right, is for people to judge a whole nation of people based on what a select group do (which is what I was saying in the first place).

• Welcome to TCR Decolite and Earlydawn.

• decolite, I don't know you either so when a new commenter starts picking on my comment, or on me, instead of sticking to the subject of the post, then I get impudent. Constantly pointing back at what we *used* to do does not mean that we cannot notice and denounce similar behavior in others who are *still* at it. Rehashing our past accomplishes what, exactly? Yeah, America did some bad shit and America will likely continue to do so. However, there is other bad shit that America no longer does. We don't get credit for it. Not ever. The people in this video just happen to be in Pakistani. My point would be valid regardless of what country it happened in.

• Alexa Kim, Hey try growing up. I never said I didn't like you. How can I not like you when I don't even know you. I merely posed a simple question to you about whether the things I mentioned was or was not barbaric and you post such a childish message. I think that says a lot. You cannot argue that said acts aren't barbaric and I therefore rendered your point (about the countries you mentioned not being barbaric) as invalid. I would like to know how it makes us racist by speaking out against being racist? That doesn't even make sense. Now some of the other commentators on this site are very much racist, but yet you accuse me (who happens to be the least racist person imaginable) of being racist. Why don't you target the true racists? Is it because you are racist yourself and attacking them would be as if you were attacking yourself? This isn't an accusation but merely a question! In case there was every any confusion, I wasn't ever accusing you of being racist, but some of the others on this site, that is another story.

• @Saint_Dismas I don't always agree with you but I consider you a wise and thoughtful commenter. You are able to understand what others are trying to say and appreciate another opinion. I'm glad you comment here.

• Who let in the racists? Earlydawn and decolite trying to pass themselves off as non-racists. Nice try there you linen dunce cap fans, nice try. *lip trembles* Does... does this mean *sniff sniff* ... th-th-that you don't... don't like me?!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! *swig* Nothing like a good cry...

• Well said Decolite, though I should mention I wasn't downgrading the people for their usages of cellphones, Just pointing out the irony of it, because it IS ironic in such an otherwise impoverished area (though your provided information on the cheapness there makes it more understandable and less so)...it's simply not something one would expect to see. (So ironic in that context implies the least anticipated, or expected.) It also would have served my intentions better to point out that sociopathy amongst youth is not societally limited to this region, or that particular culture...there are countless sociopathic youths in america and elsewhere who act in the SAME way when it comes to violence. I just don't blame one thing in general, I blame a variety of factors combined. Thank you for your post, and welcome to TCR.

• This video is without a doubt disturbing - I think that is something we can all agree on. What we don't agree on is everything else basically. While I do agree with Aussie (whose attitude seems more British to me but anyway) in that I don't understand why religion is even mentioned here, I don't agree with anything else. Seriously, how are you going to preach at others for what they say when you sent such a hate filled message yourself, judging a whole society based on a few dimwits whose comments you read on a website. Australia has it's own checkered history don't forget. Would it be fair to judge all Aussies based on some of the bad things we have read or heard about? Not hardly! Is there really a society that doesn't doesn't have the problems you mentioned? NO! So, before you go popping off about a place you don't even live in and clearly never have, then why don't you look to your own social problems and realize ALL countries have their problems. However, Aussie does have a point when he/she says that you should look to our own country's problems with gangs, violence, pedophiles, etc. before casting judgment on anyone else. I mean what do you think is worse, killing someone because you want their shoes or jacket, etc or because they looked at you the wrong way or was wearing the wrong color clothes or killing someone you thought was a murderer and a danger to your neighborhood? Again, not saying what they did was right because it was despicable but I am merely pointing out that we all have our own social problems so who is ANYONE to cast judgments and generalize a whole society based on a select group? Going by that sentiment, I guess we're all in gangs, all murderers, all pedophiles and rapists, etc. etc. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Now, onto some of the other comments. To those of you bringing religion into it, you clearly know NOTHING about Islam. If you did, you know this has nothing to do with Islam, and more to do with ignorance and hysteria. Seems to me like the idiots in the video got all swept up in the hysteria of it all thinking these two were murderers and wanted to rid their place of murderers. That isn't justifying what they did because it is disgusting but I am merely offering an explanation as to why it has nothing to do with Islam. I have read extensively on Islam and nowhere does it say anything about vigilantism and doesn't prescribe such a punishment for robbery or murder. In fact, it orders Muslims to be law abiding citizens who must follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah (which is the teachings of their Prophet Muhammad). I wanted to say good point to those bringing up slavery and to earlydawn for bringing up the crazy shit that still goes down to this day. You do hear about black people getting tied to cars and drug to their deaths and all kinds of creepy stuff like that. The KKK still have their parades or marches, whatever you want to call it. People are still murdered based on the color of their skin, their religious beliefs, or their sexuality. Is that not barbaric, Alexa Kim? If you say no, you are clearly delusional or developmentally challenged to be PC about it. Some of the things SOME of our own soldiers did in Iraq and other places are without a doubt comparable and as disgusting as what happened in this video. Does that mean all our soldiers are like this? Not hardly, so why is it people think all Pakistani's are like this? By the way, the reason so many in such a poor nation has the cell phones, camcorders, etc. is because all that stuff is dirt cheap to buy there - partly because most of it is made there, partly because the people don't have as much money there. The price of goods in a country are usually in relation to the wealth of it's people (i.e. the cost of living). Also, supply and demand play a role too. Furthermore, cell phone service in most other countries is a lot cheaper than it is here in the US because we get ripped off and phone companies get paid twice for 1 call, etc. It's not like that in other places. Anyway sorry so long people but the ignorance displayed here astounds me.

• Oren & Ilan All religion does shit like this. Remember how Christianity was used to support slavery in America, right? So who are the savages?

• Hi Aussie, I share your frustration but I wouldn't judge the entire US population by the psychotic rantings of Alexa Kim et al. Alexa says they don't do lynchings now,although it's not unknown for one to be dragged behind a truck for a few miles on the odd occasion.But if I read her first post correctly it wasn't the "atavistic savagery" she objected to it was the absence of "due process" ie a few good ol' boys gathered to pass judgement before the fun began.Ahh for the good old days eh Alexa?....Keep singing Billie,seventy years on and some still haven't heard.

• While I find this video as disturbing as the next person, Dont you read the shit thay goes on in your own country? The evidence of America's crapness is clear.

• WTF? Why is religion even mentioned? I am constantly amazed at the American attitude. Grow up, become global and realise the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is the most disgusting debauched society on the planet. IDIOTS! Deal with your own gang violence, serial killers and prolific paedophiles before you spread your "intelligence" to the world.

• The US Military most certainly did not drag Uday and Qusay through the streets of anywhere. They were blasted to eternity in the building from which they were firing on our soldiers. Moral relativism, the fungus of the new to the ways of the world youth or of the willfully naive. If there were better countries with which to be allies in the messy and byzantine conflicts that scrim the planet, then we wouldn't have to be friends with the enemy of our enemy. Is the barbarism exhibited endemic in England? Is it in Sweden? Is it in Canada? Is it in Australia? Right now, as of this moment? I don't mean how we used to be, I mean right now. Remember, boys and girls... trust the lion to leave you peaceful in your bed for you are surely adorable lambs, then trust the night to never end.

• I've seen so many horrible videos over the years, things that I wish I could unsee. Unfortunately thats not possible. This just is tacked onto the list. I'm horrified at what humans do to one and other. They were so young. Seems like such a waste.

• Billie Holiday sang it so well in that American classic "Strange Fruit" don't you think ? Never be surprised at the depths a mob will sink to.

• You're right, Devil's Advocate, in that Pakistan is like America was 150 years ago. The accompanying picture is of a black civil war soldier hung in the South for the crime of being black. But just like we don't blame the south's atrocities on Christianity, we probably shouldn't blame this video on Islam. Let's face it: One of our principal allies is a country filled with backward hicks. Think of it as the modern version of 1950s Georgia.

• But there is no information about what they did. When OUR military caught Saddam Husein's two sons (who were certainly horrible, rotten bastards), OUR military drug them through the streets of Baghdad. How many pictures of OUR military torturing prisoners in Iraqi prisons have we seen... & how many have been kept hidden from us? Now how are we any better? Remember, boys & girls... he who is without sin can cast the first stone.

• Ahhh...the peaceful religion of ISLAM.

• @Launchpad McCrak: The punishment of criminals is the foundation for civilization. You wouldn't know anything about that. @Oren and Ilan: Blow me.

• These people are the stinkiest hypocrites in the world.

• Savages who ask for donations for flood victims.Don't send money so they can help the terrorists,send something useful like dinghy's or soap.If half the curry houses sent a days takings they'd have plenty of cash.Never send money you don't know who will get it.

• I agree saint_dismas they're faces are horrible_ a mixture of joy and rage. The fact that children participated in the death of other children only magnified the horror of it.

• I know Diamondgirl, and its spooky (to me) the sense of enjoyment easily seen on the faces of so many young kids, A few even participated in the beating. You would think they were standing outside at a fair or music concert waiting for the main attraction....It's sickening. @LaunchPad Mckrak Uncivilized animals?...Not my place to judge them all, but they do seem to have a great amount of violence minded idiots within their group. (ironically in all of the dirt, grime, and poverty of that particular area many of them managed to Have cellphones, videocams and etc though....go figure. They might be starving, impoverished, diseased, and dirty...but they'll be Damned if they go without such fine techno-accessories.)

• I read the AP story and it answered the question I had when I read the video graphics. How did they know these boys were guilty of anything. They didn't.

• Oops, I forgot to mention, the police don't believe the teens were involved with the robbery.

• The <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Mob-lynches-teen-brothers-as-cops-watch/articleshow/6399267.cms">AP</a> article indicates an armed robbery had just taken place in the area, plus there had been recent fights over use of the cricket field, so it sounds like there were plenty of excuses to engage in mob behavior for those who enjoy that sort of thing.

• This is the ugly faces of the ugly SATANIC religion called "ISLAM". And ofcourse the stupid OBAMA let them build a mosque in NY.

• ISLAM. Say no more.

• Dispensing this kind of street justice, without due process, is atavistic savagery. With due process, after a party has been found guilty of their crime, would be more than fitting for the likes of the couple who maimed their child and then starved him to death.

• uncivilized animals

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