Ten Executions Gone Shockingly Wrong
Clinton Johnson & Sons Accused of Gang Raping 16-Year-Old Girl at Party
Thursday, April 7, 2011 at 10:19 am
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| Clinton Jr. -- aka "Bubba" -- is accused of raping the girl, then raping her again with a beer bottle |
Yes, the Johnson home is the kind of classy place where they have mattresses in the backyard.
That's when Clinton "Bubba" Johnson Jr. raped her, the girl says. And because he's a wicked little degenerate, he also decided to rape her with a beer bottle.
Others at the party soon joined in.
The girl says Bubba's younger brother also raped her. Not to be outdone, Clinton Sr. decided to jump into the action as well, because there's nothing like a little backyard rape to solidify the family bonding.
All told, police believe at least six people assaulted the girl. And there may be additional juvenile suspects.
The March 5 incident just came to light after the girl confessed her ordeal to a school counselor weeks later.
So far, only Clinton and Bubba have been charged in the case. Both face up to life sentences if convicted.
UPDATE: Clinton Jr. bragged to another man that he raped the girl with a beer bottle.
This case is quickly becoming an explosion of gooberism, according to the Lufkin Daily News. The paper is now suggesting the gang rape may have occurred in a different place in the woods less than a mile from the Johnson's home.
The second sits contains two mattresses, box springs and a leftover bottle of King Cobra beer, because these guys are nothing but class. Still, the Hudson police department has yet to confiscate any of the mattresses as evidence for DNA collection.
True, the mattresses have been exposed to the weather since March 5, but it's still not out of the question that they'd contain fluids from the rapists. Hudson Police Chief Jeff Burns wants to confer with the district attorney before grabbing them, but this doesn't look like a crackerjack police department.
Meanwhile, Paula Davis, Clinton Sr.'s daughter, is providing something of a backhanded defense of her father. She claims dad's innocent and says he went back to the woods on the day of the rape to ask Clinton Jr. about a missing remote for the DVD player.
"Daddy walked back there, and he wasn't back there very long -- maybe two or three minutes," Davis told the Daily News. "When he came back, he just said Bubba and that girl were having sex on a mattress. He said he grabbed her purse and slung it across the way because it made him mad.
"I'm telling you now, if my daddy would have heard a little girl screaming, he would have stopped it. My daddy is not that kind of person, and he does not believe in that."
In other words, dad's not a rapist, but he didn't do anything when he witnessed his 17-year-old son having sex with a 16-year-old girl. Davis also says Clinton Sr. has terminal cancer.
Meanwhile, Davis nephew Chance McCauley says Clinton Jr. bragged about raping the girl.
"We were riding around and Bubba told me that he did have sex with that one girl. He said he stuck a beer bottle up in her. He was trying to brag about it a little bit. He told me that it did hurt her a little. There were other boys back there. He didn't tell me their names, though."
Clinton Jr. is still in jail on a $100,000 bond. Clinton Sr. still hasn't come up with a $150,000 bond. But since the police department is struggling with even basic evidence collection, it's hard to see how they'll ever be convicted.
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Although she was raped, it was her fault for getting drunk and caught up in the party with a bunch of rapists.
For one on one on this fucking page knows these two men.... The news paper all ways fuckes up...so untell u know the fucking truth about it...dont go talking shit...and juat soooo all of u know a rape kit was done and she wasnt raped.... If 6 men raped me i would be fucked up for life.... Just saying....
way is this old man liveing in center texas with his grandkids and not in jail it wont be long befor he rapes them something has to be done
This is a reply to Illusions, couldn't reply further below.
Illusions Posted: "Suppose the day I choose to go to the grocery store for a bag of sugar is the day a car creams me in the parking lot,killing me instantly, because THEY were breaking the speed limit,and not looking, should I not have ran out of sugar? If I hadn't perhaps I would be alive. SO I am to blame for my death, going by this indirect blame of rape victims. NOT the asshole driving the car 50 in a parking lot and reading text messages?"
NO you are NOT to blame for this. There is nothing you could have done.
Let me take your scenarios and mix it up a bit.
Lets say suppose, before you ran out of sugar, you were binge drinking, were quite drunk, and never should have been behind the wheel in the first place. While going to the grocery store, another driver hits you, killing you instantly.
In this scenario, while not 100% responsible for your death, you put your own life, and the lives of others at risk because you chose to drink and drive. Even if the other car was at fault for hitting you, if you were sober, you might have been able to avoid it.
"Another scenario. I need to go to the ATM at that same moment some fucker decides to walk up behind me and rob me of my account. Who is to blame? Me for going to MY ATM? As I am within my rights to do. OR the asshole that robbed me because I shouldn't have been at the ATM?"
Again this is just a random act of violence, no way you could have anticipated this.
Lets say instead, that you see a group of unsavory characters hanging around an ATM, you then walk up, proceed to withdraw $500, and then flash it in their faces while walking by them. They then begin to follow you and pull out a gun and rob you at gunpoint. This is a situation you could have avoided. Does it make it OK for them to rob you? NO, but they are criminals, they don't care. If they see an easy target they will pounce.
"I can understand the key point of hanging with unsavory characters can lead to unsavory outcomes. BUT the choices THEY make are NOT ours to defend, only what WE could have done to NOT be in their presence."
This is exactly what I have been saying in all of my posts, that EVERYONE seems to disagree with.
Yes we get that ....And Like I said before not everyone walks around being scared of every situation going on around them.Some people trust everyone that's their nature. I apologize for freaking out on you because while you haven't said in so many words (they deserve) what they got for putting themselves in bad situations. Your posts imply to all that its exactly what you are saying.But I also what to know why you have not explained to me how I could have Stopped my situation? all you can reply back to me is that I'm emotional and Apparently I can't read.My point is this.We have a life. Some people are trusting of all people and situations and that most people do not live their lives in Fear that's because it's Life and most people live it to the fullest .And yes there are criminals who are and will continue to commit crimes and that will never change.Bad things happen in even the most non threatening places,the most common of places with no warning signs at all.The way you post makes it seem like woman only get raped in unsavory places with the worst of the worst around while you are trashed out of your minds.When the facts are it happens everywhere anywhere no matter what the situation.So if it does happen regardless of any situation why should we have to pick and choose who we give our sympathies too? Rape is an awful thing there for anyone who has had this done to them gets my sympathy. And we are not going to sit around living in fear of what could happen so we just stay at home locked in side baking pies all day in are bare feet all day. Oh and BTW A Troll is The poster that is causing all the upset the minority not the other way around.
Senlaane Posted: "But I also what to know why you have not explained to me how I could have Stopped my situation? all you can reply back to me is that I'm emotional and Apparently I can't read."
There is nothing you could have done to prevent your friends brother from assaulting you.
I tried to explain that in the post I made in reply to iLLusions.
Like I said many times in my posts, taking precautions isn't meant to, nor could it ever make someone immune to having a crime committed against them, no matter how careful or safe you live your life, there's always a chance you can be assaulted.
But taking precautions can HELP PREVENT crimes from occurring. That's all. Just lowers the odds that you will become a victim. Nothing more nothing less.
"So if it does happen regardless of any situation why should we have to pick and choose who we give our sympathies too?"
SOME people choose to surround themselves with criminal types, it's hard for me to find sympathy for someone who doesn't take a proactive approach to keeping themselves safe.
For example.
If someone likes to drink and drive, and they choose to do it regularly, then one day they get in a car accident and die. I would have very little sympathy for them, in fact, I'd have more sympathy for the person they HIT, because they are the ones who weren't playing russian roulette with their life.
I guess we will leave it at this.You choose whom you give your sympathies to and i will continue to do the same.That's what makes the world go round.And I am done with this subject already this discussion is bringing up some not so great memories the clearly I would like to not remember.I do have to say that I get your points on the drunk driver and the criminal types situation.But for me this young girl was not wise to the world and all that comes with it.She liked a boy and wanted to be around him.And the way that boy lived with the mattress outside and by the way it was in a tent is the way everyone in that small town lived.As for her drinking way to much well I see it one of two ways either she had something slipped in her drink or clearly she did not make the responsible choice to stop .But then again what 16 yr old thinks about that.Only a very few.I did think about it but only because of my mother she always told me always keep your wits about you ,pay attention to your surroundings and If you do drink always take your glass with you no matter what.But like I said before not all children have parents who care about them as you can tell by most of the stories we read about on here its quite a few.So back to the girl.She gets my sympathy because she was young and made a bad choice about the drinking way to much.And I'm sure she will never make that mistake again but if she did then of course she will not get sympathy.There is so much more I can say to explain this ,but You will never see my side because you just keep saying the same thing over again so as i said already I'm done on this subject.Please do not reply Because I will not reply back if you do it just leads me to believe you are just doing it to cause upset and strife.And I will conclude you are a troll.
ok we get it, we get it, we make a bad decision we're fucked and its our own fault, does that make you feel better.... and please don't provide me with a half page of you opinion about my one statement.
Was replying back to people that replied to me, if you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion why bother posting at all?
Although this is specifically directed to SeeThruMan, I want everyone who shares his opinion to read this. It was mentioned that there was no point in arguing with emotional women & that some people were taking this too personally. Allow me to enlighten.
When "we emotional women," come here and read about how the victim of the most violent, shameful, and degrading crime perpetrated against humans today - which is also systematically used worldwide to oppress our entire sex for politics, entertainment, etc. - has fault in that crime, YES, it's personal. Because in that girl and her story, every one of us can see our mothers, our sisters, and ourselves. There are a few of us women here who have not personally been touched by any sort of sexual misconduct. A FEW. And I'd venture to say that almost all of us women know someone who has been victimized.
Now that aside (although that's one HELL of an aside), reading opinions like yours really is hurtful to women. Because it confirms that we live in a rape culture. That if I am someday raped, the first thought that people will have is, "What did she do?" Even if it's not the first - even if people identify the horror of the crime and the person who committed it, the NEXT statement is "BUT if she hadn't been..." It means that if I put myself into a situation that is unsafe - whether intentionally or by mistake - some people like yourself will automatically identify my complicity in my own violation. And that is truly, deeply heartbreaking. Because any woman would do anything, ANYTHING to avoid rape. And as if our newest confirmation of rape culture wasn't enough, the fact that anyone (especially someone who's supposedly such good interwebz buddies with some of the women here & knows their stories) would "JOKE" about rape for 3+ days is a slap in the face. Who thinks rape is funny? Not a woman, for sure. Because on any given day, at any given moment, it could be us. And we're ALL aware of it. According to RAINN, on average, someone over the age of 12 is sexually assaulted every 2 minutes. Although they don't say so, obviously, the majority of those assaults are against women. We already know we need to protect ourselves.
What you have to understand though is that in so many day-to-day activities, I do something that someone would call "unsafe." For example, I am in a program at a major university in an urban downtown setting. On occasion, there are networking mixers at night where alcohol is consumed. Of course, no one is getting drunk, but some would say any alcohol impairs you. Earlier this year, a law was passed allowing concealed handguns on campuses in Texas. And on those mixer nights, I have to walk back to my car alone in a downtown metropolis after consuming alcohol. If I'm ever raped at gunpoint on one of these occasions, will someone place blame on me for doing nothing more than going about my daily business, even though it's not necessarily the safest thing to do and I know it? By your logic, yes, if I am ever raped after drinking while walking alone, I had some responsibility for being unsafe. And again, that's another disgusting example of rape culture, and truly sad that I can't live my life without being responsible for a potential rape.
Once upon a time, when I was a freshman in college, I OFTEN went out & got trashed with my friends. Some of those nights, my roommate brought guys home from the club - one time, one even had the nerve to sleep in my bed! Now, of course, in my grown-ass experience, I would NEVER allow a strange man into my home, especially not if I was intoxicated. We also lived in a co-ed dorm, where we all spent lots of time getting blackout drunk in each other's rooms. I remember one night, I drank a whole liter of vodka, and couldn't even remember how I got back to my room down the hall. These days, I couldn't drink that much if I tried, but luckily, I realize that's not a smart thing to do anyway. But when I was 18, that was part of the normal college experience. It's what stupid kids do and have done for DECADES. We learn from that sort of shit. We become better, stronger, smarter people. No one should ever have to come by that knowledge by being raped for making the same stupid mistakes we've all made.
Finally, you brought up the point about how stupid it was for the girl to go lay down drunk on a dirty mattress "in the woods". First, this is Texas. Lots of places have "the woods" out back. Hell, there are deer, armadillo, opossums, and raccoons right outside my backdoor in the city. "The woods" is rarely out in the middle of nowhere in Texas. And do you know anything about Hudson, TX? Their population is just over 4000. According to census data, their median household income is $37K, and since it's near Lufkin, my guess is that most of the people living there are oil industry/refinery workers (unionized shift work). It's a fucking podunk town where most of the people know each other and they probably just walk or ride in the back of somebody's truck out to where the party's at. Safe? Those kids were probably doing exactly what every kid their age does every weekend, and their parents did before them. There's nothing safer in a small Texas town than sitting on the back of a truck, drinking beers around a bonfire "out in the woods". And if those were the circumstances, what else would you have suggested this girl have done? Walk home? Drive herself? Get another of her drunk friends to take her? May not have been able to call parent(s). Laying down on that dirty mattress to sleep it off for a bit before she wanders back home down the highway doesn't sound like such an irresponsible thing to do now, does it?
The problem with your opinion, SeeThruMan, is that it fails to see the forest for the trees. You're so hellbent on making it clear that what she did wrong contributed to her rape, that you can't see a number of flaws in your logic. And that again, is an indicator of rape culture. Let me recount those flaws:1. You identify our emotion and deep attachment to this issue as irrationality typical of us hysterical women. It's not irrational or hysterical - it's part of our defense. If we're aware and vocal about what's happening to our friends, mothers, and sisters and making sure that people place ALL the blame & responsibility where it belongs (on the rapist), maybe we can create a world where our daughters and granddaughters don't have to be on the guard against rape ALL THE TIME. It IS personal.2. Women are raised and engendered (like it or not) to be protective of themselves. We don't need you to explain that everyone should do their best to stay out of unsavory situations.2. Sometimes, there is no SAFE situation. If I lived my life being SAFE all the time, I'd be a hermit.3. Sometimes, things seem safe because it's the generally accepted practice. Only in hindsight does one recognize that had they behaved differently, the circumstances would not have occurred. A mistake in judgment shouldn't ever lead to violent injury at the hands of another. Not in any circumstance at all.4. Without awareness of all the circumstances (which of course are not revealed in a newspaper article), you have NO IDEA what lead this girl to make the choices she did. And yet don't have the scruples to reserve judgment against HER actions, and instead stick to condemning only the criminals. Tsk tsk. I'm not sure if it's that or your lack of even an attempt at understanding what it is to be a women that offends me more.
I know, I know. TL; DR (that's "too long; didn't read" for all the acronimically-challenged. Ha!). But I had to go ahead & get it out, because I don't plan on continuing to talk in circles on this issue. The Absurdist said it well better than I several posts ago: you're in the wrong here, SeeThruMan. I hope that what I've said has lead to some understanding, and maybe even touched your heart a bit so that you'll remember it if you ever have a daughter. If not, I'm not sure that you'll ever get it. And that would make me really truly mourn for our humanity and our culture.
Definitely the best response I've seen on this subject yet, very well thought out and I do see your points clearly.
Most of what you say I agree with whole heartedly.
A few points I'd like to bring up though for discussion:
"It's what stupid kids do and have done for DECADES. We learn from that sort of shit. We become better, stronger, smarter people. No one should ever have to come by that knowledge by being raped for making the same stupid mistakes we've all made."
I do agree with you, but I am not a rapist. A rapist will be looking for someone who would be an easy target, someone they can overpower and take advantage of. Do you think a woman, who is intoxicated, walking alone, (or passed out on a mattress in the woods) would be considered an easy target? I will elaborate further down below.
"There's nothing safer in a small Texas town than sitting on the back of a truck, drinking beers around a bonfire "out in the woods". And if those were the circumstances, what else would you have suggested this girl have done? Walk home? Drive herself? Get another of her drunk friends to take her? May not have been able to call parent(s). Laying down on that dirty mattress to sleep it off for a bit before she wanders back home down the highway doesn't sound like such an irresponsible thing to do now, does it?""
I think this is where we disagree. I just don't see anything safe about a 16 year old girl, sitting around drinking alcohol to the point of passing out.
Does it happen all the time, of course, hell I even did it growing up. Doesn't mean its SAFE.When I went drinking with my friends growing up, I knew if my parents found out I was gonna be in a world of hurt. I knew what I was doing was against the law/my parents wishes. I just didn't care. Just because kids do it all the time, and most of the time nothing happens to them, doesn't mean it should be acceptable, wouldn't you agree? Granted, I'm not from a small town, but I still can't see anything safe about young teens binge drinking, regardless of how many kids do it.
"If we're aware and vocal about what's happening to our friends, mothers, and sisters and making sure that people place ALL the blame & responsibility where it belongs (on the rapist), maybe we can create a world where our daughters and granddaughters don't have to be on the guard against rape ALL THE TIME."
The statistic you pointed out saying that someone over the age of 12 is sexually assaulted every 2 minutes is very scary, but you are not going to change the world. The world we live in is a dangerous place.
We have to be realistic about how our society operates. I agree that ideally, in a perfect world. No precaution would be necessary, but in reality, it is necessary.
My girlfriend works late sometimes, and in her parking structure it can be somewhat dimly lit at night. She has a security guard walk her to her car when shes leaving the offices. This is a precaution. Something meant to discourage a potential predator from seeing my girlfriend as an easy target. Is it a shame that she needs to do this? Absolutely, in a perfect world this would not be necessary, but in OUR world. It is.
Using my girlfriend as an example, if she were to walk to her car alone one day, with out the security guard escort. And god forbid something did happen to her, did she deserve it? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT.
NO ONE DESERVES A CRIME TO BE COMMITTED AGAINST THEM.
"2. Sometimes, there is no SAFE situation. If I lived my life being SAFE all the time, I'd be a hermit.3. Sometimes, things seem safe because it's the generally accepted practice. Only in hindsight does one recognize that had they behaved differently, the circumstances would not have occurred. A mistake in judgment shouldn't ever lead to violent injury at the hands of another. Not in any circumstance at all."
I fully understand this, and I'm not telling anyone to live like a hermit, but just to make precautions when possible, and try and make sound judgement calls when given the opportunity. I also agree a mistake in judgement should not ever lead to victimization, but criminals don't think like we do. Again, they look for easy targets. It's NOT RIGHT, but it is what they look for.
And about the this story in question, you are right, all of the details have not been released. It's kind of premature to say much of anything about it without all the details. But isn't that what this site is about? Discussing opinions on the story as we know it so far.
And I also agree about your point that I cannot understand what it is to be a woman, I never could. Being raped isn't something a man really worries about in his life. So I can't fully understand what it is like.
I think it all comes down to, I think we all should take basic precautions and make sound judgement calls when given the opportunity to REDUCE THE CHANCES of becoming a victim of ALL crime, not just rape.
And your post was not to long to read by any means, this is the reason I posted in the first place on this message board. I wanted to have a discussion about this topic because I felt my views on the matter weren't widely shared.
I just want to say again, that I am not blaming someone for being a victim. Only, I would like all of us to think about our actions, and potential consequences of those actions, to POSSIBLY reduce the chances of becoming a victim in the first place.
I have a question, what if your girlfriend, being walked to her car by a security guard, was raped by the very security guard she relied on for safety? Would it be her fault, for trusting a security guard that she assumed had her back? I ask this, because I think the 16 year old girl in the story was with people that she assumed would have her back.
I'm with M2C...your up against the evil man-logic...usually fades with having kids. The viewpoints will always be measured in black and white and from (usually) one perspective defended with passion (alpha male stuff). There will at best be apparent concessions but not a change. I have been amazed by the responses of women to this story...open, passionate and at times braving the vulnerable. I have been embarrassed by many male comments (being a man myself) and their lack of empathy, humanity and honour (JCL in particular). We were speaking earlier about people sometimes needing to fall on their ass to get sorted and I suspect that will be the case for the unintentionally ignorant in this thread. I'm off for a few days to my little bach (beach house of sorts) by the sea to fish and contemplate life in general. I hope you all have something bright and rewarding happen in the next few days. I also hope Bhoebe has some quality time with her cat and a number of you can stare at your grey hair and all it represents with pride. Goodnight, Kia Ora.
Oh so very well done!!!!!! *Clapping* :) Thank you so much for explaining that to him albeit he has been told this many times by many posters so maybe if he sees all of it in one place together he will get it! Although I'm guessing he will not.He's not playing with a full deck of cards.His one track mind has been enlightened and he still doesn't get it...Thank you again. xoxox
Yes, my sweet and lovely Joyful Girl. Brains + beauty + similar life philosophy = place in my bed. *grabs Joyful Girl's hand and starts walking backwards toward the bedroom*
You are so welcome, myDEAR2cents. :)
Women need to know that regardless of their circumstances, people (especially other women) support them and understand that they had nothing at all to do with such awful, needless violence against them. I will do everything I can to support my sisters. In fact, I encourage you all to visit Women for Women International at www.womenforwomen.org to support their efforts to provide women survivors of military, domestic, and sexual abuse internationally with skills to support themselves and rebuild their lives; and/or www.rainn.org to support victims of rape, abuse, and incest here at home. RAINN is also ranked as one of America's best charities by Bloomberg's Worth magazine. Both reputable and important ways to be strong, be heard, make a difference, and fight back. :)
And 2cents, you don't have to thank me. I would think my reaction should be the general reaction for a rape victim. It comes natural. So I can't take credit for it. It just is how I feel, and I can't tolerate anything less from someone. Even if I have no choice but to tolerate it, I am gonna raise hell while I do.
Posted by kiwi:"The problem is with the offenders, not the victims...ever. Attempting to find a solution by changing the problem is an absurdity."
Of course the problem is the offenders, this is obvious, but guess what.
CRIMINALS AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE
There will always be people who commit crimes. If your waiting for a day when the world is free of crime...good luck with that.
So, because the world will always have people who have no problem committing crimes such as rape, and there really isn't anything we can do about that, until they make themselves known, and we throw them in prison where they belong.
We have NO CONTROL over them. I read an article saying that most rape victims are assaulted by someone they know. I'm sure most people don't think the people they know are capable of rape, you never know what's going on inside someones head.
This is why we have to make sound judgement calls, and try to avoid bad situations when they occur. There are many sickos who will jump on you given the chance.
Some will attack you even when you are at your safest, there's nothing you can do then.
But if you put yourself in situations that can ENCOURAGE A CRIMINAL, someone who is looking for someone to attack, do not be surprised if he takes you up on your offer.
If I go to a bad neighborhood, walk around flashing lots of money, then someone robs and beats me at gunpoint.
They shouldn't have done that, no excuses, BUT I should have known better as well.
Common sense really.
Oh right, 16 year old girls make sound judgement calls all the time. *sigh*
You're arguement is weak and umoriginal.
@ See Thru Person...Replying to your reply to me. I barely read any of your posts on this thread to be perfectly honest with you. Once I saw you were standing so close to Johnny and his idea of fun, I just didn't read...For one I didn't know if you were "real" and for two I was already trying to debate one that was splashing shit all over the place. I don't need to take a break from reading because it "gets me upset."I feel very much like BooKat does. There are so many posters on this site, be it a regular, or a passer-by that share their rape stories. We have even talked on other threads about the lack of sympathy women get (the shameful eye) when they have been raped. Hence the fear to report. YES there are false rape claims and women that do that are just as much a part of the problem as those who spit venom at rape victims, (directly or indirectly) for that. That is exactly what Johhny did as far as I am concerned and I have never been raped, so I can only imagine how a woman who had been raped felt by reading that shit. I think Johnny would have been better off owning up to what he really felt instead of trying to do the phony damage clean up later. That is the thing with you, you have stuck to your opinion from the gate. I surely can't agree, but I can somewhat take you at face value. I disagree and that is that....
The fact that so many posters on this forum have rape stories to tell at all says alot about the problems we have in our society, and even if my opinion on personal responsibility is unshared by many, the reason I think this way is because so many crimes happen every single day.
We can't stop criminals from wanting to commit crimes, we just can't. But maybe can help PREVENT FUTURE crimes from occurring, By avoiding situations that criminals look for when choosing their victims.
This is all that I am saying.
Although, I see how hard it can be to even admit that anyone who suffered a horrific crime such as rape would be responsible in any way for what has occurred, but I believe that by talking about such topics, someone in the future could think about it, and possibly avoid becoming another statistic because they chose to make a better decision.
If there was a really bad neighborhood where murders, rapes, kidnappings took place every day. Would you not try to avoid that neighborhood? Wouldn't you want your children to avoid that place as well?
This is all that I am saying, you can't ALWAYS tell when your walking into the lions den, but sometimes you can.
OH FOR GOD SAKES STFU with the BULLSHIT about being in the wrong place ALREADY its getting OLD.Most of the stories From victims I have read here they were not doing "the wrong thing" Including mine!!!! DO YOU NOT GET THAT!!!!!! You are seriously pissing me off ...Which I believe that is why you keep spewing this same old Song and dance over and over again! Just to piss people off! So there ya go now MOVE ON! I love how you always contradict yourself.They should not put them self in bad places blah blah blah and then I can see how hard it would be for someone who suffered ........I hate to tell you but you CANNOT PREVENT what you have no idea is going to happen! I will agree with you on one thing and one thing only.There is a handful or people who do put themselves in "harms way" But with that being said.....NO ONE DESERVES to be raped for it!!!!My GOD man why do you not get that!!???The ones who need to be more responsible are the rapist.In my case I was a 13yr old Girl sleeping over a friends house its what young kids do..How the hell was I supposed to know her brother was going to do that?He never showed any kind of a sign that he was a sick bastard (oh and btw) They had Money their house was in a good neighborhood and we were not on drugs or alcohol.So that kinda blows your theory or maybe not you seem to be a one track mind.
Either I'm being trolled or you have really bad reading comprehension. Most of your post has nothing to do with my point at all, except for this...
Posted by Senlaane:"I will agree with you on one thing and one thing only.There is a handful or people who do put themselves in "harms way" But with that being said.....NO ONE DESERVES to be raped for it!!!!"
THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT. I NEVER SAID SOMEONE DESERVES RAPE OR ANY OTHER CRIME.
Senlaane, we agree completely.
When? I am down? I will probably get arrested for bigomy, but All I need after you is a candle stick maker!! And then I will have the trifecta marriage! Mwahhhhhh Enzo Baby!
KiwiMark.....I love you honey you know that....Hopefully the you that you have always presented is the real you. Cause I am sick of the fraud on this thread, and so many others. :)))Since the reply button doesn't work I have to do it like this.
And 2cents if he made you OR ANY other poster for once second feel bad...put it out your mind. And thank the stars above you didn't marry him as a rape victim. He clearly shared how he felt about a women he claimed to love who was raped...He clearly shared what he ment from the gate. Anything he says now is just a mind fuck. That is what it has really been all along. You guys are beautiful. you are survivors, and humans should only except responsibility for their mistakes, not other peoples. EVER.
really, I'm responsible for enough shit in my life...
iLLs, you and Boo and all the others that stand up for those that can't or haven't been able to in the past... y'all have deep souls of understanding and I for one can't say enough how much I appreciate their true depths
and lawd, I hope this thread is a few pages back before my mom get's to work on monday.I don't know if she ever shared about the carvings on her body, and I opend my fat mouth.Thank God she doesn't have a computer at home.
hopefully she won't be tooo upset with you, as what you shared offered insight to what a child of a rape victim deals with also... sometimes we don't think about how it effects our kids... sometimes we don't realize that we are doing it to start with.
Dating? Nope. It was always a group or nothing.Something else we never understood until we were told.
