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17-Year-Old Girl Stripped By Teammates on School Bus, But Attackers Won't Be Charged
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The girl says she was attacked as her teammates ripped off all her clothes. She was left completely naked and forced to cover herself with a blanket.
We're not sure if the coaches or the bus driver intervened, but Heidi Hershly, the girl's mother, says it would take the school three days to notify her of the incident. (Hershly lives in Rapid City, South Dakota, so we're assuming the girl lives with her father.)
The attackers were booted from the softball team and barred from attending the prom. But Hershly says administrators are downplaying the incident. She claims they've dismissed the attack as mere "horseplay." And while the sheriff's department recommended sexual battery charges, the prosecutor's office has instead placed the girls in a juvenile diversion program.
That makes Hershly very pissed. She believes the attackers should be expelled and charged with sex crimes. And she has a very good point.
If boys had done something like this, they'd no doubt be litten up like bottle rockets on the 4th of July. Most of Kellogg would be calling for their heads. But since the attackers were girls, both the school and the prosecutor seems to be giving them a pass.
So what do you think, dearest reader? Should the attackers face the same fate as boys would? Or is this somehow a lesser crime since girls are the perpetrators?
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i also have a child in school at the same place. a student tried to stab him with a pair of scissors, i didnt hear about it from the school, but several days later from another student. i told the school i wanted something done, they said they would take care of it. the other student didnt get in trouble at all. no detention, so suspension, nothing. i hate the schools in kellogg
Well the one thing that everyone is taking in account is that they were all females and it was a prank but if it were males doing it to her the tone would be different. But sexual assault is sexual assault whether it's male on female, female on female, or even male on male. As for the prank part it was a bit extreme I mean I graduated highschool 3 years ago and I'm somewhat prankster myself but there's a limit to everything but then again there's always a side to everyone's story and this story only speaks of one side of the story. For all we know maybe she was a good sport about it and everyone else took it all out of proportion. If anything they should be punished a little more than being kicked off the team but nothing like being expelled or being registered sex offenders.
No it is not a sex crime by no means, they were out to humiliate her is all. i remember awhile back in my work place where all the employees were spanish females working in a plant down below the offices where two girls got into a fight leaving one totally humiliated. The girl was stripped of all of her clothing in the ladies room where she was led out by her hair and paraded around for all to see in the cafeteria. The girls were laughing and filming her with cellphones while she cried and begged to go home.....yes this was shameful but its not a sex crime, they werent violating her body, they were out to shame her in front of everyone. Later her video was posted all over the internet
Just so everyone here knows, I happen to know this girl personally. No, the article doesn't state everything that happened, but a few details that I can clear up are: Yes she was sleeping when she was attacked. No, she didn't stay sleeping the entire time, the girls held her down and forcibly removed her clothes. NO ONE interfered. The other girls sat back and watched and laughed or pretended that nothing was happening and the chaperons did absolutely nothing despite the fact that the buses aren't that big so there is no way they didn't notice something going on (I know, I have been on those school buses often). They took everything of hers. Her clothing, her bags, her shoes, and only left her a blanket. She had to WALK all the way home because she didn't have a ride or a phone to call anyone. WALK HOME IN NOTHING BUT A BLANKET!! No one offered her a ride. No one offered her clothes. Not even the bus driver or the coach did a single thing to help her.
For any of you who think that this is not sexual assault, you are dead wrong. She was completely humiliated and scared. The school did absolutely nothing. They didn't even report the incident to her mother for three days despite the fact they knew the night it happened. And God forbid they actually go to the police. They weren't even going to punish the girls because they had the same misguided beliefs that it was just "a prank" but anyone who has ever been assaulted knows differently. It WAS sexual assault. The girls didn't have to be lesbians or trying to rape her for it to be SEXUAL ASSAULT! And for that girl to go back to school, be in the same classes, on the same sports teams, and have to see them everyday in the halls and the lunch room would have been terrifying. And the highschool is so small there is NO WAY she could have avoided any of them. Kellogg is so small that there are only a couple hundred students in the entire school (from 9th-12th grade) Suspending them from 2 GAMES (cause it WAS only 2 games) and forbidding them from going to prom wasn't even a punishment. There were proms all over the valley that they weren't forbidden from going to. Everyone involved should have been expelled. AT LEAST. I don't know if I believe that the girls should be labelled as sex offenders or anything, but they should be charged with battery at least. Because it really was that bad.
Don't believe everything that you read from Kellogg. They are notorious for covering up stories. For example, there have been at least 2 rapes in the last 8 months that have taken place IN THE SCHOOL. The first one, in January, about a 16 year old getting raped, got a little bit of coverage, but it wouldn't have if there hadn't been a camera in that specific hallway. But the second one that happened just a couple months ago, is completely unknown. There wasn't a news paper article on it and most of the valley outside of the school doesn't even know that it happened. But a girl got raped right outside of the gym during a home basket ball game 30 FEET AWAY FROM A TEACHER who did nothing. And the school is tried VERY hard to keep it covered because, of course, the perpetrator was from a semi important family in town and they don't want "bad publicity" ruining their names, but, despite how hard these cases are being covered up, they all happened. Because of all of these attacks recently, the school is actually getting shut down, if not this year, then next year and they are merging with either the Wallace or Mullan school districts.
Whether or not this girl was raped like the others, it was still humiliating and traumatizing and no one can say otherwise. You weren't there so you don't know, so everyone should stop acting like they know how she and her family feel about it. Its impossible to get anything from articles that are intentionally skirting over the facts. Bottom line is; yes, these girls should be charged the same as if boys had done it, because no matter the gender of the attacker, the degree of trauma is exactly the same and therefore, the crime should be charged exactly the same!
I think the girls shouldve been expelled. If it had been boys that had done this, all hell would be let loose. Just Feminism at work.
nope, such a double standard! forcible stripping of someones clothes regardless of genders is an offense. THROW THE BOOK AT THEM
The lesson isn't that the girls should be punished more harshly because boys doing it would get them in jail. The lesson is, they should ease up on boys doing...heck at least boys have a REASON to do it.
Some things doesn't make sense with the article. It needs more details, clarification, and information. The whole incident that occured is still too vagued.
I mean: The girl decided to take a nap. This imply she managed to get into a deep rest and was unconscious. Since the statement didn't imply "tried to take a nap." So what that means, she was silently removed of her clothlings and not by a great deal of force. This implies the 3 girls responsibled were carefully removing her clothes without waking her up. The result of leaving her fully nuded. This would account for sexual harrassement. Now if her intimate body parts of her's were stimulated to cause arousal in anyway without her consent. This would account for rape.
However, if she was really attacked and her clothes were ripped off by 3 of her teammates, thus the use of necessary force. That should've surely woken her up and she should've cried for help or put up some resistances. If the 3 girls continued by the use of force to remove all of her clothling and leaving her nude in a consicous state. This would account for sexual assault. This also means she would fully be awared of the situation.
There's no mention of witnesses. What of the other teammates, were there more on the bus, beside the 3? What of the coach? Was it just 4 girls in total in the bus and the bus driver?
As for the question at hand regarding the article.
"So what do you think, dearest reader? Should the attackers face the same fate as boys would? Or is this somehow a lesser crime since girls are the perpetrators?"Female among females will usually get off with a lesser degree of the crime, obviously always depending on what act was committed. This is because they do not gain more malicious intent (in this case, sexual intent) than would a male committing the act. If the opposite would to occured, where the females are stripping the male. The punshiment would be the same.
{s}Tho the male would probably be pleased to have 3 girls giving him pleasure on the count of stimulating his intimate body part to cause sexual arousal. Even if the male was unconscious, and probably wouldn't be for long, to wake up to a pleasant suprise.{/s}
imma say this..... i read this and most of yall comments and this ish is funny as hell... yea it was wrong of them to strip her like that but c'mon MUCH worse coulda happened to her... being stripped naked on a bus isnt the worst thing that couldve happened. Also, how the hell was she attacked? Did the mother say there was bruises or scars? also, she was sleep! Another factor is the coach and bus driver... for one I just say it was a set up just to get those girls in trouble and for her mom to get some money out the whole ordeal. Cause ANY coach always check every 5 mins especially on a bus. Also, they wouldve heard something as well as her teammates (witnesses) if she was so-called attacked... That is all- neighborhood blkman-
I love how you keep referring to people as assholes. Please don't forget you are one too.
This has nothing to do with comparing to boys, this has everything to do with accountability. Bullying, deviance, boundaries, propriety, etc, etc... The young girls that committed this act need counseling, mental health professionals should descend upon them and their families to ascertain just where this stems from. When groups of children in a public forum behave in such a "hate crime" CPS should be called in, the state board of educators investigate the school, etc... it sounds too pervasive from start to finish - like cancer with tendrils needing exploration and removal so you make sure you extricate it all spend ample time finding every piece of mental health that inspired, promoted and allowed the young girls the gumption and freedom to commit this act.
This sounds more like an assult that a sexual assault case, the girls were probably being malicious or it is a joke taken too far, either way hazing is dangerous and wrong. Im 17 and I imagine that even if her friends, or teammates were joking, the girl was mortified at the idea of being naked by an entire softball team of people, and possibly a coach and bus driver, had they been paying enough attention to notice. While i dont think the perps. young lives should be halted by sexual or criminal charges they should be dismissed entirely from their schools for the rest of the year, not allowed to participate in prom, even if they arent seniors the punishment should continue until they are seniors. If the girl that was stripped really is traumatized, if she wholeheartedly believed that these girls meant to hurt, intimidate, bully, or shame her, that would be the only reason that i think criminal charges should be filed, not because some over zealous mom wants revenge
football players do way worse to each other all the time.(aka swirlies) Was everyone on the bus female? This would piss me off and I would get revenge but no jail time, cmon!
WHAT WAS THE REASON TO EVEN DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE,,MAKES NO SENSE,,JUST A BUNCH OF LOW LIFE MAGGOTS,,LIKE SOME OF THE POSTERS ON HERE WHO THINKS IS OK,,WOULD ANY OF YOU RETARDS LIKE IT IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU,, A BUNCH OF STUPID LITTLE BITCHES,,WHO NEED THEIR HEADS EXAMINED!!!!!!
True, But boys stripping a girl is a whole different ballgame than boys stripping a boy or girls stripping a girl. You can't compare opposite sex with same sex incidents. They are not the same.
I made this mistake myself. You're absolutely right. Comparing it to boys doing the same to another boy, though, and I'd still think they ought to be charged. I know you weren't necessarily saying any different, but I'm just putting that out there in relation to MY previous statement. :)
I think the girls should be fined, if it was boys who did it instead of girls they would definitely be fined, but since it was girls it was just "horseplay", so if any girl was there and stripped of clothes they wouldn't care, all they would do is say "it was horseplay" over and over again. But once they saw a boy do it they would charge them with sexual assault and a fine instantly.
Nope, nail the girls to the wall. That wasn't horseplay, that was sex assault. I'd sue the school, not for the incident, but for attempting to cover it up. And I'd press charges against the girls involved.
I have a little girl. If this were to happen to my daughter, I would for sure be pissed and change schools. I however don't think they should have to register as sex offenders and go to the slammmer. That's a little extreme. Being kicked off the team and barred from prom is a good START. But what about the "victim"? Humiliated, embarrassed, and of course hurt because weren't these her team mates? They all need to write a heart felt apology and pitch in to replace the clothes. I also am in favor of the victim to go to counseling because this is traumatizing. And the girls should also pay for the counseling. After all they did put this poor girl through this. And the school, sorry but they aren't all at fault, however I do think 3 days to let the mom know is ridiculous (unless dad didn't say anything) the girls' parents need to go take some classes and raise their kids with some more morals.
Fuck yeah they should be treated as the same as a guy... this is just dumb, just because they have Vaginas they afre treated like nothing happened when they are just as perverted as a sex offender in jail.
Welcome to being a teenager. Stupidity rules. But to ruin their lives with criminal charges is even more stupid. Kids are kids. Don't charge them like adults.
Only white girls would think some $hit like that would be funny. Some of the girls are most likely lezzies that why some of them was in on it. Black girls would not pull a lezzy prank like that ever. You can bash my comment all you want, this JMO.
i'm sorry -- but as i went back up to see if i missed anything in the article-- i see no mention of the bus driver being male , or female "the bus driver" also there is no mention of any males on the bus ! so as far as "if this were males", shit would really hit the fan, i see no point here ! --i played high school sports , and the only people on the bus -- to and from , were all males ,and i can't even begain to tell you the tales of these bus rides !! seems to me it was part of growing up , and being part of the crazyness, when involved in high school sports ! there is a simple solution-- "BAN " all school buses for transportation to , and from any sports activities !! (we have a problem "houston",and now we have a solution ! DONE DEAL !
my opinion only......steven
+ 1 "sam" the school does not need to press this any further !! i think their going to end up with a real pi$$ing contest going on -- who here on the forum has never had a "wedgie" or been "pants" in the gym where their is coed classes going ?? so then i ask--- where do we draw the line ? if anything at all spills out over this, the bus driver needs to be repremanded ( it is their watch) no pun intended ! the driver is responsible for each , and everyone on the bus !! above all , what goes on , when it 's their watch !
my thoughts only .....steven
I still remember when the girls in my 8th grade gym class took my regular clothes and stuck them in the toilet. I had to take them to my home room teacher that had a clothes washer and dryer to get them clean..I missed two classes thanks to their lil "joke". .good side to it. the principal heard of it and gave me a job of being kitchen helper for the breakfast program that day.
nope. I got stuck dealing with watching the milk cartons. .thanks to some kids not caring. also got stuck digging out some of the trays and silverware out of hte trash as well.
I think that people aren't asking the right questions. Where is the girl's point of view in this? We are hearing from the mother, and the school administrator, but not the girls involved.Were the girls friends? No? Do the attackers have a problem with the girl? If they were all friends, I think the girl would be less traumatised than if they were friends playing a 'prank'. Were her attackers people that didn't like her and decided to gang up on her? That would equate to a serious case of bullying, and hence expulsion of all guilty parties should occur. I'd like to hear what the girl's opinion is in all of this, because her voice is strangely absent.
Honestly, this sounds very similar to a lot of hazing incidents that I've read about. Granted, there's no mention of it actually being hazing and this girl is likely not a hazing target because of her age. Still, it warranted more punishment and investigation than just removal from the team and missing prom.
To me, it doesn't sound sexual in nature but that doesn't change the fact that it was demeaning and inappropriate.
girls can be real mean to eachother but this isn't a sex crime. there was no sex or attempt . Just girls playing a really mean prank on a girl. Seems like there is a little more to the story. the bus driver did nothing or coach, parent chaperone? The girls should get in trouble but not for a sex crime.
Totally agree with Sam. The difference here is that nothing was shoved up her ass , which is usually what leads to the sexual assault charges in the male cases. Stripping someone is not in and of itself a sexual crime (without sufficient supporting facts). It's obnoxious and boorish. If they'd penetrated one of her orifices, it may then become a sex crime, and that would be a different case. People really seem to have a hard time distinguishing what makes one case different from another. Facts, people. They are not all the same.
I'd also like to know what the other girls were doing while three of them were stripping a girl in the back of the bus. Seems like they have some explaining to do as well. Maybe they could've alerted the bus driver and coach(es).
I'm sure she was but if they were bulling her they could have been holding her mouth shut...But someone definitely Dropped the ball on that bus IE the coach the bus driver a chaperone,
How do you strip the clothes off a sleeping person? Plus, softball uniforms have sliders and those suckers are like heavy duty SPANX. You could cut them off but I doubt you could take them off a sleeping person without their help or some roofies. And, sports bras? Again, you could cut it off.
I'm not saying it didn't happen. It just didn't happen like this.
I guess it's possible that what the reporter(s) meant was that she was attacked and woken up during her nap. And, obviously, a gang of girls can strip one girl. That's a no-brainer. But that would cause a struggle and a lot of noise. Where was the bus driver? Coach? Assistant coaches? There are, at most, 13 girls on that bus playing ball and probably four adults. This story doesn't make sense.
could be that they wore 'civies' to and from the game. and put on the uniforms at the game site.
Something strange is going on. Why didn't the victim complain about the incident when it happened? Why did the mother have to hear about from the school instead of her own daughter? I'm going to hold judgment until I hear all of the facts.
I'd guess for the same reason most rape or molestation victims don't report it either ...Humiliated ..Don't want to be bullied or made fun of by maybe even most of the clicks in school Embarrassed there are many many reasons
one has to wonder if the girl was threatened by her assaulters. and or she was too afraid to.
I'd say just utterly humilitated and not wanting to deal with it."Hi honey how was school and the softball game?""I got forcibly stripped by 3 other girls..."probably the very fact that no immediate action was taken was probably devastating.The bus stops and everyone goes home... no one is arrested...
Think of what has to be going through her mind after something like that.
It's no surprise to me that she clammed-up about it;the same reason many people that are raped clam-upThey just don't want to deal with the traumatic implications
Fundamentally the psychological dynamics of this is the same as rape:one party completely over-powering the other... humiliating them...
What adds to it is the shame of it being public.
I'd put that in about the one percent of odds. The likeliest explanation is they thought it would be funny and acted like juveniles often do. Teammates (especially girls) are often very close and bonded - not against each other. Not likely.
wrong. i've done gymnastics, i've done softball, and within each team cliques form and usually one or two girls get ousted. There's always the best girls on the team, the skinny ones, the pretty ones, and ive seen girls do straight up malicious things to each other. cliques exist within and outside the team and if this girl was on the outside it's very likely that the other girls meant to make her at the very least ashamed and to make her cry/squirm/quit the team


